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Thursday, November 19, 2009

Army Corps of Engineers' failure to properly maintain a shipping channel linking New Orleans, Louisiana, to the Gulf of Mexico led to catastrophic flooding during Hurricane Katrina, a federal court ruled Wednesday. "For over 40 years, the Corps was aware that the Reach II levee protecting Chalmette and the Lower Ninth Ward was going to be compromised by the continued deterioration of the [Mississippi River-Gulf Outlet canal]," U.S. District Court Judge Stanwood Duval Jr. wrote. The Corps had an opportunity to take a myriad of actions to alleviate this deterioration or rehabilitate this deterioration and failed to do so. "

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"Thanks" Dubya You worthless fuck. Too bad the victims of Hurricane Katrina can't sue Dubya for His failures.

Larry

Read it again, dummy...it was not Bush. Bush is a great man, unlike the present puppet gelding.

Bush is a great man...

Right... and a syphilitic chancre on the tip of your cock is a badge of honor too.


Read it again, dummy...it was not Bush. Bush is a great man, unlike the present puppet gelding.

Posted by Greatamerican at 2009-11-19 05:07 AM | Reply


It happened on His watch and He had 5 YEARS to get shit squared away with regards to Americans Infrastructure. Oh and Dubya is a worthless piece of shit that should be At The Hague for War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity. It's just too bad the United States is too chickenshit to send one of their own to The Hague. That's what He deserves. Him and Cheney BOTH.

Larry

It's just too bad the United States is too chickenshit to send one of their own to The Hague. That's what He deserves. Him and Cheney BOTH.

Those bastards deserve nothing. Good luck building a case against them, though.

Bush and Cheney will grow old and die decades before any evidence that could be used against them is released. There will be no day of reckoning for them. It almost makes me wish there were a hell so they could roast in it for awhile.

Read it again, dummy...it was not Bush. Bush is a great man, unlike the present puppet gelding.
#2 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2009-11-19 05:07 AM

Actually, I heard it argued on NPR during the Katrina relief organization that Bush senior did something like cut the levee budget years back and ignored the Army Corp of Engineers requirements.

What do you think about W's Iraq & Afghanistan invasions? Good ideas too?

Oh, yeah, /sarc. That belongs somewhere up there.

What do you think about W's Iraq & Afghanistan invasions? Good ideas too?

I haven't heard better ideas floated since 101 told me he wanted to start screwing HIV-positive men without condoms.

"What do you think about W's Iraq & Afghanistan invasions? Good ideas too?"

I haven't heard better ideas floated since 101 told me he wanted to start screwing HIV-positive men without condoms.
#8 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2009-11-19 05:48 AM

Just to prove his vag is really a "war wound"?

It happened on His watch and ...

Larry, please don't use the "it happened on his watch" arguement. You are so disingenuous with its use. If that argument is used against a democrat you are the first to say it doesn't apply.

Please be consistent or don't play that card.

Get real Goatman. You wanted to blame Obama for the economy when it wasn't His economy until October 1st 2009. THEN it became His economy. But do carry on with Your shit throwing fest against Lefties cause that is all You've got Goatman.

Larry

Get real Goatman.

You once said it is always the blame of the person in the WH.

That is reality, Larry. Selectively applying your own declarations shouldn't be. Deal with it.

Just an aside...

"Army Corps of Engineers Found Liable for Huricane Katrina"

Weird headline that seems to reflect a belief on someone's part that the Army Corps of Engineers is in some way involved in creating and/or manipulating the weather.

Much prefer the original headline -- "Army Corps of Engineers liable for Katrina flooding" -- since it actually tells us what the story's about.

"Weird headline that seems to reflect a belief on someone's part that the Army Corps of Engineers is in some way involved in creating and/or manipulating the weather."

Yeah, I heard Art Bell talking about it a long time ago. It's called HAARP.

Well, Hagbard, at least you got me googling this morning: High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program!


"Thanks" Dubya You worthless fuck. Too bad the victims of Hurricane Katrina can't sue Dubya for His failures.


Larry

#1 | Posted by LarryMohr

Sorry Larry you are too late your Daddy Obama/God just bowed down and apologized to the entire world accepting responsibility for this and any other natural disasters...

ALL HAIL OBAMA...

Well, Hagbard, at least you got me googling this morning: High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program!
#15 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

It's been better than a decade since I've paid attention, but if I remember correctly, its also involved in the Global Warming data.


googling : High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program!

#15 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2009-11-19 09:06 AM


DOC's already Goggling shit I can't even spell and still has time for new muffin recipes you are the man DOC...

AH shit I meant googling I think...

"AH shit I meant googling I think.."

I hope so.

Anyone who lives below sea level and is dependent on machines to keep them dry is an idiot.


"Thanks" Dubya You worthless fuck. Too bad the victims of Hurricane Katrina can't sue Dubya for His failures.


Larry

^^ didnt know dubya was in office before 1969, must have been asleep, I thought he was elected in 2000 and before that Gov of a totally different state that Louisianna.

Do you actually expect to be taken seriously dude?


Loh

Funny ruling. How many hundreds of millions were allocated to this work over the last 2 decades that were confiscated/wasted by the corrupt local politicians? Most likely, the judge is part of the corruption.

Just more corruption looking for a pay day.

^^ didnt know dubya was in office before 1969, must have been asleep, I thought he was elected in 2000 and before that Gov of a totally different state that Louisianna.


Do you actually expect to be taken seriously dude?


Loh

#22 | Posted by Lohocla at 2009-11-19 09:40 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
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Funny but the US Army Corps of Engineers are responsible for maintaining Levee systems. Oh and go check out the South East Louisana Flood Control Project before You spout off. This is on Dubya

Larry

Do you actually expect to be taken seriously dude?

Larry's position is, and always has been: Blame falls on the one in charge, unless the one in charge is a democrat. In that case, go back to the most recent republican and (s)he is to blame.

"Thanks" Dubya You worthless fuck. Too bad the victims of Hurricane Katrina can't sue Dubya for His failures.

#1 | Posted by LarryMohr

Lar, sometimes you are a real fuckhead. I guess you have proof that Bush told the corps to do away with the 9th ward.

Lar, sometimes you are a real fuckhead. I guess you have proof that Bush told the corps to do away with the 9th ward.

Posted by Sniper at 2009-11-19 10:28 AM | Reply

By underfunding the US Army Corps of Engineers projects including this one plus the US Army Corps of engineers are responsible for it then Yes Dubya said in effect do away with the 9th ward. When You do not take care of Your people then how else can You inturpriet it??

Larry

It happened on His watch


So the current economy is now Husseins right? You liberals are so full of shit your eyes are brown.

By this reasoning - Obama is a big fucking liar. The listings on the job website indicating false districts with newly created jobs happened on his watch so he LIED. Stupid libs.

I find more and more the comments on this blog offensive and abusive. The blog itself is great. Some of the commentary is incredibly childish. Put down your thoughts and spare the rest of us the threats, slurs, and disgusting references.

Bush's decision to hold down spending on fortifying levees around New Orleans reflected a broader shuffling of resources -- to pay for tax cuts and the Iraq invasion -- that left the United States more vulnerable.

President Bush deserves more criticism for the lousy response; FEMA deteriorated on his watch, and the Department of Homeland Security was his creation. But while some Democrats have accused Bush of betraying New Orleans by proposing budget cuts for the Corps, the city's destruction was not his fault. The Corps is the only federal agency funded almost entirely by "earmarks," individual pet projects requested by individual members of Congress. In fact, the Corps was spending more money in Louisiana than any other state before Katrina, but most of it was wasted on fiscally and environmentally disastrous pork that had nothing to do with protecting New Orleans -- including one little-used navigation channel that actually amplified Katrina's surge. Most of Bush's proposed cuts for the Corps were aimed at boondoggles, which is why Congress ignored them.

No, the failure of the levees was a failure of the Corps, and by extension a failure of its congressional overseers, who used its projects to steer jobs and cash to constituents and contributors. Three separate independent investigations concluded that Corps design failures left New Orleans under water. And after ducking responsibility for eight months, the Corps finally admitted in April that its shoddy levees created the American Atlantis; the agency's commander, General Carl Strock, resigned in August.

Nutcase,

Very good post.

But I will take it a step further - the ultimate blame falls on the 'geniuses' who designed a coastal city below sea level.

Put down your thoughts and spare the rest of us the threats, slurs, and disgusting references.

~Sphinx

Dare to dream!

Some folks around here?

That's all they got.

And you wanna take that away from them?

Good!

Be Well.

" Husseins "

It's always easier identifying the bigots when they out themselves.

Thanks" Dubya You worthless fuck. Too bad the victims of Hurricane Katrina can't sue Dubya for His failures.


Larry

#1 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2009-11


I guess I must have missed your proof that bush was actually at fault for this.
maybe you can repost it for me.

this may be good for houston. maybe some of the lazy fuckers will move back to new orleans now.

***"I guess I must have missed your proof that bush was actually at fault for this."***

Maybe Farrakhan can help him with that.

Largest reduction in the New Orleans District Corp of Engineers budget happened in 2006. Who was in charge of Congress then?

"Congress is setting the Corps budget.

The House of Representatives wants to cut the New Orleans district budget 21 percent to $272.4 million in 2006, down from $343.5 million in 2005. The House figure is about $20 million lower than the president's suggested $290.7 million budget."


findarticles.com

Read it again, dummy...it was not Bush. Bush is a great man, unlike the present puppet gelding.

#2 | POSTED BY GREATAMERICAN AT 2009-11-19 05:07 AM


>>>

New Orleans had long known it was highly vulnerable to flooding and a direct hit from a hurricane. In fact, the federal government has been working with state and local officials in the region since the late 1960s on major hurricane and flood relief efforts. When flooding from a massive rainstorm in May 1995 killed six people, Congress authorized the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, or SELA.

Over the next 10 years, the Army Corps of Engineers, tasked with carrying out SELA, spent $430 million on shoring up levees and building pumping stations, with $50 million in local aid. But at least $250 million in crucial projects remained, even as hurricane activity in the Atlantic Basin increased dramatically and the levees surrounding New Orleans continued to subside.

Yet after 2003, the flow of federal dollars toward SELA dropped to a trickle. The Corps never tried to hide the fact that the spending pressures of the war in Iraq, as well as homeland security -- coming at the same time as federal tax cuts -- was the reason for the strain. At least nine articles in the Times-Picayune from 2004 and 2005 specifically cite the cost of Iraq as a reason for the lack of hurricane- and flood-control dollars.

In early 2004, as the cost of the conflict in Iraq soared, President Bush proposed spending less than 20 percent of what the Corps said was needed for Lake Pontchartrain, according to a Feb. 16, 2004, article, in New Orleans CityBusiness.

www.freerepublic.com


Damned libs blame aWol for everything, eh? Sorry for not using a more credible source.

Funny how bush NEVER placed ANY of the costs of his misguided, pre emptive invasion/occupation in any of his budgets, yet he stopped funding actual needs of American infrastructure.....eh?

Largest reduction in the New Orleans District Corp of Engineers budget happened in 2006. Who was in charge of Congress then?

#36 | POSTED BY FREDDYK AT 2009-11-19 11:38 AM |



Remind us genius, when did Katrina occur?

While you are at it, remind us WHICH party was in power for most of 2006?

Then, tell us WHEN and WHO projected the cuts your article notes...


From the article you posted:

New Orleans district of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers faces
New Orleans CityBusiness, Jun 6, 2005 by Deon Roberts

In fiscal year 2006, the New Orleans district of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers is bracing for a record $71.2 million reduction in federal funding.

It would be the largest single-year funding loss ever for the New Orleans district, Corps officials said.

from the article Freddy posted in #36

Sorry Freddy, apparently YOU are aware who cut the budget and who was in power at that time....sorry if i misinterpreted you post.

Did i?

#31

Yeah Jeff J, it wasn't lack of funding, it was just that Nawlins is below sea level....right!


Below Sea Level? No Problem
By Angie C. Marek
Posted 3/18/07
A 19th-century American children's author, of all people, is responsible for that famed myth about the Netherlands-that a little boy once saved the city of Haarlem by plugging a tiny hole in a dike with his chubby little finger. In reality, the Netherlands' archipelago of flood barriers is hardly so fragile.

The country, about the size of Maryland, is protected by more than 10,000 miles of dikes, dams, dunes, sluices, and floodgates capable of snapping shut and holding back the sea. "They're the true innovators in how we understand and manage water," says retired Brig. Gen. Gerry Galloway, formerly with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers.

Studies show without its sophisticated flood control system, an estimated 65 percent of the country would be submerged.


www.usnews.com

Yeah Jeff J, it wasn't lack of funding, it was just that Nawlins is below sea level....right!

I didn't say that lack of funding wasn't a problem.

What I said was that it was utterly stupid to build a coastal city below sea level.

What's the latest on New Orleans and its levees?

Do they need current funding?

Has the Democrats passed it yet?

How many other locations in this country have gone ignored by both parties?

Actually, that's unfair.

How many other locations in this country have gone unfinanced by both parties? They recognize the problem - they won't pay for it. They have other things to pay for -it's called want over need.

What I said was that it was utterly stupid to build a coastal city below sea level.

#42 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2009-11-19 12:04 PM


No Jeff, you said the ULTIMATE BLAME
>>
the ultimate blame falls on the 'geniuses' who designed a coastal city below sea level.

#31 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2009-11-19 10:56 AM


Well, you are wrong and I proved it to you didn't I jeffy? If just being below sea level was the "ultimate blame" then all the other places below sea level would have flooded too, right? logic, eh?


The Netherlands has 65% of their country below sea level, eh?

And they are not the only place in the world like that.

It was the lack of funding, diverted to iraqnam by your hero lilaWol, why not just admit it and leave it at that?

BTW, how many places in the USA are BELOW or AT sea level?


So sorry to bust your "bubble" about your hero....

there are still hundreds of people in fema shacks around the gulf coast but just not in the 'fashionable' and politically correct location.
those people are around galveston and below.

why doesnt obama like them as much???????

(sorry...cant believe I used that tired old line)

Woke,


YEs, ultimate blame DOES fall on the planners for New Orleans.

That however does NOT exonerate Bush, Nagin and Blago for their screw-ups.

Not blago...Blanco.

All of you who are blaming Bush about this need only ask yourselves one question. Has Obama done anything to correct the problem?

Anyone who lives below sea level and is dependent on machines to keep them dry is an idiot.

#21 | Posted by goatman

Ain't that the truth.

The fact of the matter is, if the corps didn't keep raising the leeves, NO would have been flooded years ago and the city wouldn't exist.

The judge and jury in that trial were the idiots.

The old parts of the city were in areas that didn't flood easily. These people knew the risk. I guess personal responsibility is too much to ask of people nowadays.

Ok, so let me get this straight. It's Bush's fault that a system of levies started in the mid to late 60's, funded by a Congress for 40 years prior to Katrina, covering the 89th through the 108th congresses (12 of those Senates controlled by Dems, 8 by Repubs, and 15 Houses controlled by Dems, 5 by Repubs)failed under the force of a massive Hurricane? Talk about stupid. So by that logic, it really is all Obama's fault that the economy is in such bad shape.

Why don't you geniuses who are bashing FEMA, read about FEMA's history?


>>>
In 2001, President George W. Bush appointed Joe M. Allbaugh as the director of FEMA. Within months, the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11th focused the agency on issues of national preparedness and homeland security, and tested the agency in unprecedented ways. The agency coordinated its activities with the newly formed Office of Homeland Security, and FEMA's Office of National Preparedness was given responsibility for helping to ensure that the nation's first responders were trained and equipped to deal with weapons of mass destruction.

A New Mission: Homeland Security
Billions of dollars of new funding were directed to FEMA to help communities face the threat of terrorism. Just a few years past its 20th anniversary, FEMA was actively directing its "all-hazards" approach to disasters toward homeland security issues. In March 2003, FEMA joined 22 other federal agencies, programs and offices in becoming the Department of Homeland Security. The new department, headed by Secretary Tom Ridge, brought a coordinated approach to national security from emergencies and disasters - both natural and man-made.

On October 4, 2006, President George W. Bush signed into law the Post-Katrina Emergency Reform Act. The act significantly reorganized FEMA, provided it substantial new authority to remedy gaps that became apparent in the response to Hurricane Katrina in August 2005, the most devastating natural disaster in U.S. history, and included a more robust preparedness mission for FEMA.

As it has for almost 30 years, FEMA's mission remains: to lead America to prepare for, prevent, respond to and recover from disasters with a vision of "A Nation Prepared."
www.fema.gov


Then consider WHO dropped the ball on Nawlins, not only on redirecting funding to protect us against the non existant iraqi wmd's, but also the lack of response to the victims of a natural disaster for 5 days and nights.


Pretending that no one should live in Nawlins area or any area threatened by flooding is ridiculous. Millions of Americans live in the flood plain and along all coasts.....

Not to mention that all that FEMA insurance covers all those repug multimillionaires who rent out beach homes all around the country's shorelines...eh?

Try thinking for yourself for a change, instead of regurgitating the rw talking point of the day, you might like it....

So by that logic, it really is all Obama's fault that the economy is in such bad shape.

#51 | Posted by jwil72

Not really his fault. More like a "No Confidence" vote. I had a big developer put it like this,"The world has changed". He and a lot of others still have a ton of cash and their current endeavors are still paying off, but their not moving forward. Kinda like a mass hesitation. Opportunity is still out there, it's confidence that is lacking.

The freepers at new republic disagree with you boys....



In early 2004, as the cost of the conflict in Iraq soared, President Bush proposed spending less than 20 percent of what the Corps said was needed for Lake Pontchartrain, according to a Feb. 16, 2004, article, in New Orleans CityBusiness.

On June 8, 2004, Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, Louisiana; told the Times-Picayune: "It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can't be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us."

Also that June, with the 2004 hurricane season starting, the Corps' project manager Al Naomi went before a local agency, the East Jefferson Levee Authority, and essentially begged for $2 million for urgent work that Washington was now unable to pay for. From the June 18, 2004 Times-Picayune:

"The system is in great shape, but the levees are sinking. Everything is sinking, and if we don't get the money fast enough to raise them, then we can't stay ahead of the settlement," he said. "The problem that we have isn't that the levee is low, but that the federal funds have dried up so that we can't raise them."

The panel authorized that money, and on July 1, 2004, it had to pony up another $250,000 when it learned that stretches of the levee in Metairie had sunk by four feet. The agency had to pay for the work with higher property taxes. The levee board noted in October 2004 that the feds were also now not paying for a hoped-for $15 million project to better shore up the banks of Lake Pontchartrain.

The 2004 hurricane season was the worst in decades. In spite of that, the federal government came back this spring with the steepest reduction in hurricane and flood-control funding for New Orleans in history. Because of the proposed cuts, the Corps office there imposed a hiring freeze. Officials said that money targeted for the SELA project -- $10.4 million, down from $36.5 million -- was not enough to start any new jobs.


www.freerepublic.com


Thank God those people in Nawlins were safe from those non existant wmd's, eh?

Try thinking for yourself for a change, instead of regurgitating ...

Says the guy who C&Ps several paragraphs in the exact same post! LOL

You can't make this stuff up.

You boys ought to run right over to new republic and raise hell with them about their pov on who was responsible for Katrina flooding, eh?

LMFAO

...
www.freerepublic.com

#54 | Posted by woke at 2009-11-19 01:47 PM

Try thinking for yourself for a change, instead of regurgitating the rw talking point of the day, you might like it....

#52 | Posted by woke at 2009-11-19 01:40 PM

Your blatant hypocrisies crack me up, woke. LOL

Thinking for oneself involves doing some research and following the facts wherever they lead, then forming a credible opinion..as opposed to listening to rushaddict, crybaby becky, michael weiner and other rwrs who do that to tell you what to think, then regurgitating that on DR.

But the less educated wouldn't know about that. Just stick to ad hominem attacks on other posters, it's what you do best.

#58 | Posted by woke at 2009-11-19 01:54 PM | Reply | Flag: can't justify his hypocrisy


"Don't regurgitate your RW talking points! They get in the way of my C&Ps from freerepublic.com!"

woke the joke


It's "do as I say, not as I do", woke, eh?

as opposed to listening to rushaddict, crybaby becky, michael weiner and other rwrs who do that to tell you what to think, then regurgitating that on DR.

What's the difference between that you your C&Ping freerepublic? The only difference is that your regurgitations are literal and verbatim whereas the RW's regurgitations are usually paraphrased.

What a hypocrite.

"Do as I say, not as I do", eh joke?

You are simply not intelligent enough to argue with goatboy.....read the fkn article which is based in truth, eh? Is reading referenced articles the same as spewing rw talking points by your neocon masters? I suppose to you it's the same thing, eh?
That the information is accepted by a site like new republic, just makes you look even sillier....even they know who was to blame for diverting money from levee repair to non existant wmd's hallichainy made up to justify invading a country that didn't attack us and was no threat to ever do so.



I'm smart enough to search the archives, and I have.
#363 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2009-11-05 03:51 PM


ASSumes facts not in evidence......

What's the difference between that (regurgitating rushaddict, et al) you your C&Ping freerepublic?
#60 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2009-11-19 02:01 PM


Here's the difference genius.....


>>according to a Feb. 16, 2004, article, in New Orleans CityBusiness.

>>On June 8, 2004, Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, Louisiana; told the Times-Picayune:


Also that June, with the 2004 hurricane season starting, the Corps' project manager Al Naomi ...... essentially begged for $2 million for urgent work that Washington was now unable to pay for. From the June 18, 2004 Times-Picayune:


It's called legitimate and credible news sources....


LMFAO

"Remind us genius, when did Katrina occur?"

#38 | Posted by woke


The point genius is that even after Katrina the democrat controlled congress cut finding to the Corp.

Funny how some of you libs always managed to blame GWB for all your problems.

Yet you portray the foolish people who decided to settle on a coastal plain that is 3' below sea level in a place that gets routinely hammered by hurricanes as "victims". If they moved to the foot of Mt. Saint Helens and was buried under 10 feet of ash you would portray that as a GOP conspiracy at population control. I guess that is one way to rid the country of stupid people.

Now these people want to sue the rest of us tax payers for their decision to locate in an area where all that stands behind them and their home is dirt levee and a series of pumps. No one bothered to tell these people that MOTHER NATURE ALLWAYS WINS!

Don't you think they should take responsibility for their actions rather then the rest of us? I would be scared to death living in that area and would move to higher ground. I guess common sense is not as common as I hoped. Shit happens guys

Now we got Barry in the WH while our economy is collapsing all around us yet you are indifferent to all that is happening around you. amazing

ASSumes facts not in evidence......

I don't know what the fuck that means, but I'm sure it's a lie if it came from you

"Thanks" Dubya You worthless fuck. Too bad the victims of Hurricane Katrina can't sue Dubya for His failures.
Larry

#1 | POSTED BY LARRYMOHR AT 2009-11-19 04:54 AM | REPLY | FLAG

A more moronic statement, I have not heard (except from perhaps the keyboard of Moder8).

f Your people then how else can You inturpriet it??
Larry

#27 | POSTED BY LARRYMOHR AT 2009-11-19 10:30 AM | REPLY | FLAG:
Must be tough typing left hand only all the time.

If YUou have nothing worthwhile to say Somoco then Shut the fuck up.

Bush is a great man...

Right... and a syphilitic chancre on the tip of your cock is a badge of honor too.

#3 | Posted by ZombieHunter

First hand knowledge?

If YUou have nothing worthwhile to say Somoco then Shut the fuck up.
#68 | POSTED BY LARRYMOHR AT 2009-11-19 02:34 PM | REPLY | FLAG

ok. I do my opposite Larry impression.

Too bad we can't sue Obama for giving us such a crappy economy. He screwed it up soo bad that he should be personally liable.

First hand knowledge?

Thank god no.

ok. I do my opposite Larry impression.


Too bad we can't sue Obama for giving us such a crappy economy. He screwed it up soo bad that he should be personally liable.

Posted by somoco at 2009-11-19 02:39 PM | Reply

Trouble is Your stupid mind can't grasp the economy started tanking under Dubya's watch and not Obama's but just like a Repuke You can't figure that out. But do carry on being a Repuke.

Larry

#72 have trouble with irony? you identified my point but missed my message that blaming Bush for Katrina damage is as foolish as blaming Obama for the economy.

LMFAO

Me too. I find your hypocrisy hilarious. Apparently you do too, though I can't figure out why. LOL


#72 have trouble with irony? you identified my point but missed my message that blaming Bush for Katrina damage is as foolish as blaming Obama for the economy.


Posted by somoco at 2009-11-19 02:44 PM | Reply

How stupiod of You. Since the US Army Corps of Engineers fucked things up and since Dubya cut funding for the levees then YES indeed it's Dubya's fault but continue on with Your balderdash Somoco just Your average Repuke.

Larry

Let me ask you WOKE; Are you blaming the failure of the levees during and after Katrina on the funding cuts in 2004? Should there be no blame given to the care-takers during the previous 40 years? Did all of these weaknesses occure during four or so years of Bush?

Are you blaming the failure of the levees during and after Katrina on the funding cuts in 2004? Should there be no blame given to the care-takers during the previous 40 years?

"Of course. Here's how it breaks down: There is no blame on the administraions in charge from 1961-1969, 1977-1981, 1993-2001. However the administratoins from 1969-1976, 1981-1992, and 2001-2008 bear full blame"

woke

Bullshit Larry. 2005 Army Corp. memo says that funding cuts had no effect, as they wouldn't have repaired the levees even if funding was left intact.

If a fucking astroid hits the earth, you gonna blame Bush for NASA cuts? I don't think Bush was a good President, but it's not productive to blame him for shit in which he is blameless.

You gonna blame BO when we have 40 year olds dying of breast cancer because they changed screening to save some dollars for his health care deal? Where does it stop Larry? Where....?

He is to blame You dumbshit. HYe was the President making Him the COmmander aqnd Chief of the armed forces. The US Army corps of Engineers is under the Presidents command therefore their fuck ups are His fuck ups. and His cutting funding did indeed prevent repairs the the Levee system. There is a Factcheck.org article about it somewhere I will have to dig through posts. It is jerks like You who don't want to hold their people accountable. You want to let them remain blameless and that makes You not a good american by a long shot. You see I condemn Obama when He fucks up why don't You SOmoco with regards to Dubya??? I am sick and tired of Your right wingers and Your bullshit. You dig??

Larry

Larry:

From factcheck.org:
It is not so clear whether the money Bush cut from levee projects would have made any difference, however, and we're not in a position to judge that. The Army Corps of Engineers which is under the President's command and has its own reputation to defend insists that Katrina was just too strong, and that even if the levee project had been completed it was only designed to withstand a category 3 hurricane.

www.factcheck.org

So basically you can't prove it either way.

***"Of course. Here's how it breaks down: There is no blame on the administraions in charge from 1961-1969, 1977-1981, 1993-2001. However the administratoins from 1969-1976, 1981-1992, and 2001-2008 bear full blame"***

It's even more ridiculous when you consider the amnesia that helps them forget that Dems held the purse strings for the large majority of the time that the levees were being built and maintained (see #51 for more detail).

the brown stain on new orlans has herr bush dna in it

Bullshit, it has the local and state governments DNA on it, as well as the Army Corps of Engineers.

The Flood Control Act of 1928 "Prohibited expending funds until the States or levee districts gave assurances that they would maintain all flood-control works after their completion."

The Flood Control Act of 1965 reinforced this idea by making it the local government's job to maintain the flood works after completion.

Now if the designs were faulty, that is on the Corps of Engineers and the private contractors that built the levees long before Bush was the POTUS.

"You gonna blame BO when we have 40 year olds dying of breast cancer because they changed screening to save some dollars for his health care deal?"

I hear this said but there is no connection between Obama and health care reform and the doctor's that determined breast exams weren't necessary for most women until age 50. Insurance companies would be saving from that and Harry REid specifically stated yesterday that his bill does not ask women to wait until they are fifty. But you will continue to post the same, tired talking point anyway.
Sorry for changing the subject but I just didn't want to let his LIE go by without commenting.

The point genius is that even after Katrina the democrat controlled congress cut finding to the Corp.

#63 | POSTED BY FREDDYK AT 2009-11-19 02:17 PM


Except, as I pointed out, it wasn't a dem congress until after NOVEMBER 2006.....try reading what you posted and then understanding when the congress changed. Your article and that budget was written in June 2005 anyhow....

LOL

the previous 40 years? Did all of these weaknesses occure during four or so years of Bush?

#76 | POSTED BY JWIL72 AT 2009-11-19 02:47 PM


nixon=8 years
carter=4 years
reagan/bush41=12 years
clinton=8 years, but he signed every pc of legislation of the repug congress and their budgets.
bush=8 years

36 years of repugs directing budgets, including the DINO Clinton, and 4 years of a dem with a dem congress....

Yep, it's all CARTER's fault.....LMFAO

(perhaps you might wanna read what Carter did during his tenure with fema, by going to the link i posted at #52)


Now, keep in mind, we aren't just talking about CUTTING the money from those levee projects, but also the fact that no help was sent to help the victims for FIVE fkn DAYS.....Old folks, kids, the infirmed...etc....

But in the neocon/repug supporter's eyes, it was the VICTIM's fault cause that's what rushaddict, et al.... tole them to believe.....


Now if the designs were faulty, that is on the Corps of Engineers and the private contractors that built the levees long before Bush was the POTUS.

#83 | POSTED BY JWIL72 AT 2009-11-19 03:31 PM


The designs weren't faulty, they just needed maintained because they continue to sink. But the money was CUT, to provide security against a wmd attack that was FICTIONAL in nature and still is.....


READ the linked articles I've provided on this very thread.....one by an extremist rw site that has credible, verifiable info from the paper of record in Nawlins, the other, the history of FEMA by the govt itself.


Then you boys won't seem so stupid, possibly. Of course, if you want to continue to support a FAILED political ideology, then, you probably still will appear stupid.


My goal is to cut government in half in twenty-five years, to get it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub. ...Grover Norquist=neocon


Mission Accomplished in Nawlins 05, eh?

Sorry for changing the subject but I just didn't want to let his LIE go by without commenting.

#84 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2009-11-19 03:51 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Then, Danni, please explain how this change was instituted on something other than a cost/benefit analysis. Which, I might add, is not necessarily a bad thing - everything that is done has to be subject to such an analysis lest we all get full body scans each month from the day we're born to the day we die.

My comment was not that the breast thing is a travesty, it was that funds get cut, and there are consequences - i.e. a levy breaks, a person gets breast cancer. We cannot spend our time wringing our hands like Larry - or you.

So, explain how having exams and self exams is worse than having them, if not on economic terms...

G-d damned glad I am not a Right WInger today. They aren't worth a shit and these posts bare this out. What happened to the old Republican Right Winged COnservatives?? Why did You turn into miserable useless twits?? Even the old time Copnservatives were worthy of Respect. Today I wouldn't even hand them generic TP they just aren't worth it.

Larry

#89 nice answer Larry. Simple question, will revising the breast guidelines save lives, or money?

Maybe if Bush had spent $2 Trillion on levees before Katrina, he could've prevented the flooding. So, he should have spent it? What a bunch of pant-pissing knuckleheads.

I know most people here have virtually no interest in the truth or the facts, but New Orleans did not have protection from anything stronger than a category 3 storm. While a plan had been drafted to strengthen that protection to category 5, the plan was written in 2003 and would have taken 20 years to implement.

And actually, the New York Times criticized Bush for failing to cut spending more on levees.

It's a piece of cake to point the finger at someone from the cheap seats. It's quite another to sit in the big chair and make the calls.

Yeah, make the big calls like pretending saddam had wmd's and connections to al queda so giant global war/oil corps could make out like bandits with that 2 TRILLION and counting of our tax money that should have been spent on infrastructure and other needs of Americans....

It would appear that much of the vitriol and outrage levied against Bush and his FEMA chief was at least misdirected.

Ah yes, memories of FEMA-Katrina.

NYTimes-Katrina Confiscation

One year after Hurricane Katrina and the lessons remain painfully clear - the event paved the way for the standard government response to a crisis - sabotage the rescue efforts, dominate and enslave the victims, then reap the windfall from the tragedy.

Katrina was a trial balloon for widespread gun confiscation under the pretext of a crisis. Following the police chief's announcement that nobody would be "allowed" to be armed - re-writing the 2nd amendment in one sentence - police, national guard and private security thugs began confiscating firearms from owners whose homes were completely undamaged and unaffected by the hurricane in the high and dry areas of the city of New Orleans.

The New York Times reported that the only people allowed to keep their guns were the security squads that had been hired by wealthier residents of New Orleans, which was totally misleading because 99% of these thugs were hired by the federal government. A few billionaires with mansions were able to afford the security but the middle class were not. This report gave the impression that the middle class were not being targeted for gun confiscation and so those readers were put back to sleep.

Katrina was another example of what FEMA does best - deliberately sabotages a crisis and leaves people for dead. Jefferson Parish President Aaron Broussard's memorable emotional plea on Meet the Press went right to the heart of what FEMA were doing.

"We had Wal-Mart deliver three trucks of water, trailer trucks of water. FEMA turned them back. They said we didn't need them. This was a week ago. FEMA--we had 1,000 gallons of diesel fuel on a Coast Guard vessel docked in my parish. The Coast Guard said, "Come get the fuel right away." When we got there with our trucks, they got a word. "FEMA says don't give you the fuel." Yesterday--yesterday--FEMA comes in and cuts all of our emergency communication lines. They cut them without notice. Our sheriff, Harry Lee, goes back in, he reconnects the line. He posts armed guards on our line and says, "No one is getting near these lines."

Why would FEMA make an already terrible situation worse? Because after every purposefully botched rescue effort that is whitewashed as a lack of resources, FEMA get more funding and more power.

The agenda in New Orleans was about privatizing the police state. Although abuses regularly occur, law enforcement are at least supposed to operate within the realms of the constitution, a definition that can be shifted when private mercenaries are hired to dominate the population - as happened in New Orleans where we saw Blackwater security and even Israeli troops pointing guns at American citizens.

In addition to the Israelis, armed Mexican soldiers entered the US for the first time since 1846 to supposedly provide aid. Conditioning Americans to the perception that foreign troops on US soil policing US citizens in times of emergency is normal was one of the outcomes of this alarming precedent.

The Army Times reported that hurricane survivors who wouldn't leave New Orleans were to be treated as insurgents and that combat operations to eliminate them were undertaken. This is where the so-called 'relief' effort was directed towards - treating American citizens like terrorists and hunting them down simply for wanting to stay in their own homes. And once they were caught, FEMA treated evacuees as internees, registering them and giving them ID cards, preventing them from leaving the internment camps.

Livingston, now 77, has a master's degree in cloud physics from the Naval Weapons Center and Navy Post Graduate School in California, a degree he later used in the battlefields.

According to a recent report "He seeded clouds and dramatically increased rainfall in his theater of war, creating impassably muddy roads, slowing down the Vietnamese and Korean troops, and saving lives and entire towns from occupation."

Livingston was even invited to the White House where he briefed President Lyndon B. Johnson on the effectiveness of weather control activities. Livingston asserts that hurricane control was a national priority of the government in the 60s and they had the ability to do it at that time. That was 40 years ago.

He now works with scientists and pilots at Weather Modification Inc., in Fargo, N.D. His research of hurricane control has been confirmed by the Stanford Research Institute.

He has personally flown on 265 missions into the eyes of hurricanes and has gone on record as "most disgusted" with Hurricane Katrina because he knows that the storm itself could have been minimized.

Livingston revealed that to reduce or redirect a category 4 hurricane would not be that difficult:

"A hurricane is made up of energy sails and each of those sails adds to the ferocity of it. It was proven in 1974 by an international project that these energy sails exist and that they are the reason that hurricanes can develop and grow move and cause damages. So there's no reason to attack the hurricane in total but just to fly in to the right front quadrant primarily relative to the direction the storm is moving in and seed those energy sails that are converging and making the rain and wind velocity increase in the front part of a hurricane." Livingston asserted.

He went on to explain exactly how to minimize and control the hurricane:

" We would be trying to destroy or at least grossly reduce the velocity in these individual energy sails by seeding the clouds with silver iodide in the top part of the cloud... and those tops would then have so many small droplets in them that the prevailing wind just blows them away and so an energy sail would be neutralized until it can regroup which may be several hours later."

The seeding process may sound complicated but it is not at all. There would be no need for more than two small aircraft at a time to safely fly upwards into the hurricane.

www.weathermod.com

I find more and more the comments on this blog offensive and abusive. The blog itself is great. Some of the commentary is incredibly childish. Put down your thoughts and spare the rest of us the threats, slurs, and disgusting references.

#29 | Posted by sphinx at 2009-11-19 10:46 AM | Reply | Flag SHUT THE FUCK UP. TAKE OFF YOUR SHIRT. JUMP INTO THE RING!

Bush inherited New Orleans.

WOKE, So I take it your answer to my origininal questions in post #76 are yes, it was all Bush's fault. Unreal, a truely narrow perspective. I will give you this though, the FEMA response was slow, but then agian, I grew up in Galveston, Texas, and the number of lives lost in that area due to hurricanes makes N.O. look like childs play. When Alicia hit in 1983, no one had to pull a bus up at our door step and evacuate us, we boarded the windows, packed our shit, and left. Never depend on the government to do for you, what you should be doing for yourself. At the very least N.O. should have followed their own evac plan and got the ones out who physically couldn't leave on their own. Or how about if Nagin would have ordered and evac prior to 19 hours before landfall? Or maybe if Blanco hadn't resisted initial assistance. Or how about if the local authorities would have done their jobs and maintained the levees.

During congressional hearings she was asked whether she thought the levees were properly maintained, her answer was, "Before Katrina I would have said yes. Now, I would say no." She was the one appointing people to the Levee Board, ulimately the failure to maintain levees falls on her. She also couldn't give a decent answer when asked why only a fraction of the funds that WERE given by the Fed for levee expenses (you know, the funds that were cut)was acutally used. So if they're not going to use the smaller amount of funds, what good would giving them more funds do?

How about this, I'm am will to say that there were plenty of mistakes made at the federal level. Are you willing to admit the local authorities share the blame also?

***"nixon=8 years
carter=4 years
reagan/bush41=12 years
clinton=8 years, but he signed every pc of legislation of the repug congress and their budgets.
bush=8 years

36 years of repugs directing budgets, including the DINO Clinton, and 4 years of a dem with a dem congress...."***

Presidents don't hold the purse strings, congress does. The large majority of the levee's existance has been under Democratic controlled congresses. During that time the STATE has had 8 Dem governors and three Repubs. You would think that with that type of political connection, more would have been accomplished.


#97 jwl72
WOKE, So I take it your answer to my origininal questions in post #76 are yes, it was all Bush's fault. Unreal, a truely narrow perspective. I will give you this though, the FEMA response was slow...

are you a blind partisan, can you not read, or are you just "thick"? NYTimes reported what really happened. And now, a look at history shows that indeed FEMA has vastly increased power and funding.


"We had Wal-Mart deliver three trucks of water, trailer trucks of water. FEMA turned them back. They said we didn't need them. This was a week ago. FEMA--we had 1,000 gallons of diesel fuel on a Coast Guard vessel docked in my parish. The Coast Guard said, "Come get the fuel right away." When we got there with our trucks, they got a word. "FEMA says don't give you the fuel." Yesterday--yesterday--FEMA comes in and cuts all of our emergency communication lines. They cut them without notice. Our sheriff, Harry Lee, goes back in, he reconnects the line. He posts armed guards on our line and says, "No one is getting near these lines."

Why would FEMA make an already terrible situation worse? Because after every purposefully botched rescue effort that is whitewashed as a lack of resources, FEMA get more funding and more power.

DONT WORRY PEOPLE

report just stated that harry reid has included in the health care fucking ONE HUNDRED MILLION dollars that would go to lousianna.
guess that landreaus vote is worth that much.

Are you blind, can you not read? No, I think you're the thick one. You even posted part of my response that said I thought the FEMA response was slow! Fuck, I'm the one saying the whole thing was a combination of failures, on both sides of the isle, and I'm the blind partisan? Yes, FEMA screwed up, and yes Bush was POTUS, so ultimately the blame falls on him. But god almighty are you not mature enough to understand that there is far more that one side to the issue? I really can't comment on the idea that FEMA purposefully botched the relief in order to get more funding, seems like a stretch to me, but stranger things have happened. All the more reason for local authorities to take care of themselves and their people, like they're supposed to. As far as the levees are concerned, which is the original topic I was commenting on earlier in the thread, the issues were there before Bush, and until the levees are fixed and then PROPERLY MAINTAINED by the local authorities, the problem will remain.

#92 | Posted by woke at 2009-11-19 05:13 PM | Reply |

What does this have to do with Obama's failed economical policy? Where are the jobs for Hopey and Changey?

Unfortunately, for the people of the 9th ward, this will be thrown out upon appeal. Despite the lack of up keep or actions by the COE, clearly they cannot control the weather and this ruling implies that the COE had that ability.

Note to the fine people of the 9th ward, don't build, buy, or live in a flood plane. Common sense will tell you that you are doomed to loose everything.

nixon=8 years
carter=4 years
reagan/bush41=12 years
clinton=8 years, but he signed every pc of legislation of the repug congress and their budgets.
bush=8 years

#86 | Posted by woke

Why do I have to keep remind you that CONGRESS and congress alone controls the purse strings of the government. Are you all incable of reading the constitution of the United States?

Sniper, give it up, I've already mentioned that a number of times on this thread. It's like trying to carry on a conversation with a parrot.

#100 jwl
No, your statement "it was all Bush's fault.Unreal, a truely narrow perspective. The FEMA response was slow" is nothing more than a common GWB partisan coverup statement.

Partisans cannot twist the facts in any credulous form to simply conclude that FEMA response was slow. It cannot be ignored that the local reports state they specifically ordered the withdrawal of the relief supplies.

Ok Larrycocksucker and the unemployment is on the HNIC's watch but your chicken shit president keeps blaming others, you worthless fuck
#106 | Posted by reinsurelaw

Wanna quit it with the HNIC bullsh*t?

***"Wanna quit it with the HNIC bullsh*t?"***

I second that, take that shit somewhere else.

Who is to blame for H1N1 and all the billions of dead people as a result of it? Huh?

Who is to blame for H1N1 and all the billions of dead people as a result of it? Huh?
#108 | Posted by Washboard at 2009-11-20 08:30 PM

WHO is to blame for unnecessarily dangerous vaccines, ignoring quarantine protocols and not keeping track of infected travelers.

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