It is time the common American learnt some manners.

I don't agree with women wearing headscarves (not part of my religion, at least) but I sure as hell won't dare try to rip one off from someone's head.

Send the lady to jail.

It is time the common American learnt some manners.

Because random samplings of the population, such as this one, are indicative of a greater problem.

American's are many things.

We're bossy, imposing, jerkish, barely educated, fat, lazy and self-centered.

Impoliteness, however, is regional. It probably has something to do with the cold and living in a large city that smells like pee everywhere you go.

At least they only yanked the scarf off her head and not her whole head as is done in some other countries.

I don't agree with women wearing headscarves (not part of my religion, at least) but I sure as hell won't dare try to rip one off from someone's head.

Quite sensible of you.

"Impoliteness, however, is regional"

That one gets this morning's Rube Flag.

It is time the common American learnt some manners.
I don't agree with women wearing headscarves (not part of my religion, at least) but I sure as hell won't dare try to rip one off from someone's head.
Send the lady to jail.

#1 | Posted by Tosser at 2009-11-19 01:36 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag:

Says the guy who mocks Americans and Christians. Ironic Don'tcha think???

Larry

Says the guy who mocks Americans and Christians. Ironic Don'tcha think???

Excuse me, but did you read in the papers "Tosser yanks off Cross from neck of Padre!"

No?

Huge difference, mate... huge difference.

And yes, I was right in mocking you, wasn't I? You people lack manners.

Oh well... the law will teach you some.

We lack manners??

LMBO

Oh, that is rich coming from you!!!

LOL

Good manners must be actually killing the "infidels".

So Tosser,

Why did Mohammed have to turn to a woman who wasn't present when he had his "vision", to tell him if what he saw was of God or demonic?

Wasn't Mohammed smart enough to figure it out himself?

Does the Koran change?

Was Jesus telling the truth or was he a liar?

Row row row, your boat
gently down the streammmmmmm
Merrily merrily merrily merrily
life is but a dream!

It is time the common American learnt some manners.

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Compared to whom?

So if this case has merit; does a assault of a Christian after say the Tillermurder qualify as a act of retribution stemming from "hate"?

just a hypothetical

real queezy about the idea of making thought or a thought process a legal crime. Actions, yes. THoughts, no.

Compared to whom?

Canadians.

Too bad this did not happen in a religion of Peace country, she would have been tortured and beheaded for not wearing the entire BURKA ensemble like she was supposed to in the first place...

FTA: The scarf incident was the first of two apparent race-related attacks in Tinley Park in the wake of the Fort Hood shootings, Police Chief Michael O'Connell said. On Nov. 8, a Muslim family found racist graffiti on the front of their home, O'Connell said. The person rang the family's doorbell but ran off, O'Connell said.

Some some mouth-breathing, Glenn Beck-listening moran tried tearing the head scarf off of a Muslim woman out buying groceries?

And FAILs?

Some other Rtard writes racist graffiti on the door of a Muslim family then scurries off into the dark like the cowardly sack of shit they are?

Ah, the racist right.

Less brains than God gave a flea.

That all noted, this "hate-crime" charge is totally unwarranted here and will no doubt only serve to increase tensions and inspire more incidents like these rather than decrease them.

Be Well.

Some some mouth-breathing, Glenn Beck-listening moran ...Some other Rtard writes racist graffiti on the door of a Muslim family

I'm always amused by people so desperate to make a point that they enhance a story and add their own "facts". Can't you make a point without adding your own wishful thinking and pretening that you know it to be true, deth? Or do you have a link to support your claims?

And you wonder why no one takes you seriously. LOL

What was her intent?

Hey Lisa
I see you are continuing your idle discussion in another thread.

Dont turn to stalking someone to try to prove something that they will never admit. I think you are wasting your time.

In terms of hate crime, fine. Why the big story around this.

This is just a human nature response. Generalize and neutralize tends to be the average human response (unfortunately).

This person was wrong, the attacks were wrong, and those individuals should be held responsible for their individual actions. No higher power or higher calling should burden the responsibility of their actions as they as individuals made the concious decision to follow any supposed higher powers or higher callings when the committed the aforementioned actions.

People need to learn to take personal responsibility, and apply personal responsibility when something like Fort Hood happens.

Should be. In fact, any crime done with malice should be a hate crime. You must hate that person in order to commit a malicious crime.

All these special categorization to please the masses of special treatment are sickening and distracting from the issues at hand.

Impoliteness, however, is regional.

What regions of the United States do not have impolite people in them? Or is this a secret so I don't go there and screw it up?

It probably has something to do with the cold and living in a large city that smells like pee everywhere you go.

Chicago doesn't smell like pee. I've encountered wafts of shit, garbage, chocolate (from the blommer factory) and cigarettes, but not pee.

"At least they only yanked the scarf off her head and not her whole head as is done in some other countries"

YEAH!

An excellent excuse for poor manners and a total disregard for personal space in OUR culture.

Why do you defer to the worst among us as the reason for your (ilks) behavior? It's as if they are your roll-model or something.

Lock her up. Anybody who assaults another person should be locked up.

I hope one of the laid off union workers has a son in his school. There could be consequences for his actions.

#13 | Posted by jackass

Why do you defer to the worst among us as the reason for your (ilks) behavior?

???

Yea, she's really my 'ilk'. I go around pulling scarves off of women every day. LOL How did you acquire these channeling skills, redneckshill?

Lock her up. Anybody who assaults another person should be locked up.

#28 | Posted by jackass
That is so liberal of you to convict her without a trial, what would your ACLU buddies think?

My hats off (no pun intended)...

...to the Muslim women for walking away and diffusing an ugly situation.

I only wish the vast majority of her Islamic brethren were as cool and temperate.

www.jihadwatch.org

#22 | Posted by SHEEPLESHEPERD

Ah, yes the case of Mr Abdul Walid Hamid.

There are parallels between the two cases, of course.

In both cases an assault occurred when a Christian wingnut started hurling insults around.

In the case in this thread the wingnut was also the person who committed the assault.

In Hamid's case he allowed the other persons insults to goad him to violence.

In both cases too many charges have been laid and the counter-productive Hate Crime have been cited.

Let Spud be clear here. In no way does Spud condone the violent actions in either case.

Just trying to understand 'em is all.

Be Well.

Was Jesus telling the truth or was he a liar?

#12 | Posted by Lisa at 2009-11-19 07:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

Oh God. The strength of your argument convinced me!

Do you keep a copy of Evidence that Demands a Verdict next to your computer?

I can't tell you if he was a liar. The Jesus of the Bible, if he existed, probably didn't say a single word that's attributed to him. And even if his words are recorded in the Bible verbatim, you're interpretation is only one of many.

Is there a reason you left out the "crazy" part? I think the first part of your argument is supposed to go: Jesus was either a liar, crazy, or a sky fairy.

Next up, Pascal's wager!

Simple Assault.

The perpetrator should be charged with such.

Hate crime enhancements are bull.

The graffiti artists should be charged with vandalism and Assault (Intimidation).

If my memory serves the concept of hate crimes was instituted in order to allow the Feds to prosecute bigots when the local LEOs did not enforce their own laws equally.

No political party has the market on racism. Your a fucking liar if you think otherwise.

Spud would go further and state that no human being much less political party is entirely free of racist thought or deed.

The Republican Party does have a shameful record of exploiting racist sentiment in order to secure power and has done so fer decades now.

If you don't see how and why the Republican party became the natural home for racism in America then yer a fucking idiot and a liar.

K?

Be Well.

If you don't see how and why the Republican party became the natural home for racism in America then yer a fucking idiot and a liar.

K?

Be Well.
#37 | Posted by dethspud at 2009-11-19 10:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

Actually SPUD, the Democrat party has become the naturual home for racism - the concept of beating a race of people down by instilling in them the idea that without government intervention and affirmitive action assistance, they can never succeed. The democrat party NEEDS to keep the blacks, hispanics, gays, etc.. down - Once they find out they can accomplish what everyone else does without gubment help, noone would vote DUMBOCRAP again.

J. Jackson, and Al Sharpton are two of the biggest racists in the country spud - both dems.

If you don't see how and why this is true - well you yourself would be the fucking idiot.

K?

Spud,

The Democratic party fans the flames of racism for their own ends far more than the GOP could even dream of.

Oh come on... A HATE crime? Assault and Battery sure. This woman should be in jail and fined. And yes she did it out of hate. But I think if this is being labeled a Hate Crime, then we are simply trivializing hate crimes. Hate crimes should be reserved for something major. Just like they keep invoking terrorism charges. It is trivializing them.

Man, if somebody knocked my hat off I would hope they get "life without possibility of parole". We should use this to send a message. Don't mess with my head dress or else! Religious symbolism is a protected right for everyone. How dare she! If I was wearing a Yarmulka or Kippah and someone swiped it from my head I would hope they get charged for a HAT CRIME! Oopps, I mean hate crime. Unbelievable.

"I think (a charge of hate crime) sends the appropriate message that these kinds of race-based lash-outs are unacceptable," said Ahmed Rehab, executive director of the Chicago chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations. "Every time something like (the Fort Hood shootings) happens, the Muslim community prepares for a backlash."
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Yeah. Some "backlash". A woman had her scarf pulled.

A few generations ago the "backlash" against the black community would be a lynching or a church burning. THAT was a hate crime. THAT was worthy of national shame and disgrace.

But a bank teller grabs at a woman's headgear and the Muslims are "prepared for a backlash." Maybe they should quit being pussies, and quit calling press conferences every time one of them is aggrieved.

HAT CRIME

ff

Ahhhh hate crimes, a savage hypocrisy! The truth is that while the government tries to make everyone equal through hate crime enhancements, they end up making the very groups special. You cant be equal if you are treated differantly! Now i dont condone what this lady did, but a hate crime? Come on! People should just go watch the south park episode on it and have a beer!

"I think (a charge of hate crime) sends the appropriate message that these kinds of race-based lash-outs are unacceptable," said Ahmed Rehab, executive director of the Chicago chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations. "Every time something like (the Fort Hood shootings) happens, the Muslim community prepares for a backlash."

Of course you think someone should go to jail for tugging on a scarf. You're a bigoted, one-sided idiot respresenting an organization that pushes for the rights of only one small segment of the populatoin rather than civil rights for everyone.

"It is time the common American learnt some manners."

Says the little jacakss who visits an American website every day for the purpose of insulting Americans.

If you're an example Pakistani manners, then manners is just another area where your people are decades behind Americans.

#45 | Posted by TheColonel

I agree. A crime is a crime.

I think crimes done from simple hate should take that account in sentencing...

'Every time something like that happens--you know, the Fort Hood thingy--we expect a backlash.'

welkome to obama's amerika

A nation that has lost all proportionality and is unable to prioritize. Out of line yes, worth a day or two in jail or maybe a one day class about Islam. All hate crime legislation is a violation of the equal protection clause.

So the charge would have been the same if she had hit her in the head with a bat after tugging her headscarf.

welkome to obama's amerika
#50 | Posted by afkabl2

Yeah, we all know he's personally responsible for punishing hate crimes in Tinley Park, Illinois. Jeezus, you are such a buffoon.

I must have missed that same line of thinking from you when the lib posters accused bush of being the culprit in the ruling on the dams in new orleans.

he said to judge him on the people around him and people around him or responsible for hate crime laws.

besides he doesnt have time to go around doing things like this. he is too busy OUT OF TOWN every other week and getting NOTHING accomlished.

The punishment doesn't fit the crime. What a load of bull shit.

Was the woman who yanked the scarf an ass?

Yes she was.

Did she strap a bomb to her chest, go to market and murder a bunch of random people? (as certain muslim, yes, "Muslim", groups are in a HABIT of doing?

No.

When religion motivated mass murder, single murder, enslavement, etc, etc, etc, is LITERIALLY being practice by one religion at a rate of over 100 to 1 to any OTHER religion, that one religion has a serious problem.

You can find explicit killers self indentifying from ANY group with significant amounts of members. So pointing out that ONE guy that shot Dr Tiller does not suddenly make the Sudan Genocide 'not just a muslim problem'.

If you have someone bomb a shopping center and express religion as a prime motivating factor, you can bet money its gonna be a muslim. You'll be wrong less than 1 time in a 100.

Was the woman who yanked the scarf an ass?

Yes she was.

Did she behave seriously improperly?

Yes she did.

Could you call it assault?

Yes you could.

But trying to use that as EVIDENCE that ISALM does not have a problem is just smoke screen.

ISLAM has a problem. Islam needs to DEAL with it, or it will deal with Islam. Trying to get people to focus on yanked head scarfs WILL NOT solve things, and will NOT work forever. Deal with the problem, or it will deal with you.

When Hamas, Fatah, the Muslim Brotherhood, Al Quada, etc, etc , etc are ALL as impotent and disgraced in IN "MUSLIM" communities as the KKK is today in the U.S., then you'll be able to say the problem is history.

In the deepest, most remote backwater of the deep south in the U.S., a minor judge was recently unmasked for refusing to sign mixed race marriage licenses. When Islam reaches the point that honor killings are not only history, but so DISGRACED that even something as simple as forcing someone to drive to the next town to get papers signed is viewed as COMPLETELY beyond the pale (as it should be). Yet, that Judge is utterly trivial when compared to the active power of militant Islam. Even in the 1920s, you could find many white RACIST southerns who publicly LOATHED KKK violence, EXACTLY LIKE YOU FIND MANY 'MODERATE' MUSLIMS TODAY THAT LOATHE AL QUADA. I'm sorry, your disapproval is NOT enough. Get YOUR society to the point where a trivial backwoods minor judge making someone drive to the next town makes national headlines and is immediately forced to resign.

Hair and apparel are just fabulous items for accessorizing religious stuff for your busy day !!!

Give the Muslims credit for using our own psychoses to excuse theirs. Two weeks after Fort Hood, the only "backlash" they can point to in a country of 308 million people MIGHT be this. But immediately the Islamists pull out the victim card.

Nobody piles up the corpses better than these sick bastards. And nobody is quicker to pretend they're being victimized after the fact. She pulled off a woman's scarf, and Tosser rings in from halfway around the world. God help us.

Give the Muslims credit for using our own psychoses to excuse theirs. Two weeks after Fort Hood, the only "backlash" they can point to in a country of 308 million people MIGHT be this. But immediately the Islamists pull out the victim card.
#58 | Posted by rightisright

You must've been down with a nasty case of the sniffles not to catch all the pissing and moaning on the DR about banning Muslims from the military and so forth. You might want to check the archives, just to get up to speed.

I can see making a hate crimes provision for kidnapping or murder. It shows premeditation, making that murder one instead of murder two, or adding conspiracy to the kidnapping charge...

But premeditated assault and battery? Dumb.

This is another example of law makers and police using a "zero tolerance" mindset to avoid THINKING, like putting a guy on the sex offender list for peeing in public.

GRUMPY

I think you were supposed to write fabulous this way

FABULous..

at least thats the way DOC tells us the gay people say it....

rational and common sense from alexandrite.

I have now seen it all.

Honestly, a few words and tugging a head scarf are a hate crime now?
Not what the law was written for. This is just pure PC bullshit.

"You must've been down with a nasty case of the sniffles not to catch all the pissing and moaning on the DR about banning Muslims from the military and so forth. You might want to check the archives, just to get up to speed."

Rather than contradicting RIR's point, this post supports it. A bunch of posts on a blog - That is the "backlash" for some jihadist idiot shooting dozens of people? OH THE HORROR, NOT POSTS ON A BLOG!

If that's the best evidence of backlash you can come up with, then maybe your evidence points to a lack of any backlash. Or does the evidence not matter when you have a an "Americans are bad" talking point to spew?

So, I wonder, if a mugger attacked a Muslim woman and stole her wallet and in the process he messed up her scarf he could be charged with a hate crime.

You must've been down with a nasty case of the sniffles not to catch all the pissing and moaning on the DR about banning Muslims from the military and so forth. You might want to check the archives, just to get up to speed.

#59 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis
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Oh. So a woman had her scarf pulled, AND there was some pissing and moaning on a few 'blogs.

No wonder the Muslims are so nervous--that does sound very serious. Kristallnacht and concentration camps surely beckon.

Hate crimes are a joke, just another way to placate the neglected minorities!!! Whatever the crime, it is no worse because the victim in not white.

If the "good" Muslim's would stand up and denounce the actions of the "bad" Muslim's, it would go a long way towards healing some of these issues.

Hate crime, what a bunch of BS.

Oh come on, afk...

I'm nowhere near as far left as you probably think I am. Find myself having to defend obama against charges so ridiculous, I'd be ashamed to be associated with those making them.

Whatever the crime, it is no worse because the victim in not white.

Not true. A hate crime shows forethought, premeditation, which is worse than a crime of passion.

And white people can be victims of hate crimes too.

In fact, the victim this hate crimes bill was made in honor of...
Was White.

It is time the common American learnt some manners.

I don't agree with women wearing headscarves (not part of my religion, at least) but I sure as hell won't dare try to rip one off from someone's head.

Send the lady to jail.

#1 | Posted by Tosser at 2009-11-19 01:36 AM | Reply

Send them to jail for pulling on a head scarf?
IS that severe enough? Wouldnt the punishment in Packistan be more along the lines of removing her hand so she could do it again?

Backlash? Dozens murdered or injured and a lady gets her scarf tugged on? And I bet the same liberal swine who call this a "hate crime" deny that the Ft. Hood shooting was an act of terror.

No, afk, I was not doing a gay example, I was attempting a women's magazine type example, but was really saying how stupid it is to make your clothes have a "religious" significance.

"Wouldnt the punishment in Packistan be more along the lines of removing her hand so she could do it again?"

In Pakistan they would stone the "victim" do death for not fighting back hard enough when someone tried to remove her scarf.

Dinsey-

This is not a hate crime as described in the article.

FBI says Ft Hood shooter wasn't a terrorist.

I am a liberal.

How now brown cow?

In Pakistan they would stone the "victim" do death

In Pakistan, someone would break the American's neck for daring to touch a Muslim woman for whatever reason.

And nobody would have seen anything. LOL

Sully has a point.

Rape victims in the middle east are murdered to preserve their "honor" whatever the fuck that means.

As misogynistic as it gets in the states, we don't have honor killings.

"I think (a charge of hate crime) sends the appropriate message that these kinds of race-based lash-outs are unacceptable," said Ahmed Rehab, executive director of the Chicago chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations."
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Mr. Rehab is an ignorant opportunist...and his (CAIR's) comments offer nothing beneficial to our society. Muslims are not a race. Muslims are a group of racially diverse adherents to islam.

Mrs. Kenney should be charged with assault and if found guilty by a jury of her peers; punished appropriately.

The law does not need to act as psychologist and try to determine why an assault occurs as obviously Mrs. Kenney hated Mrs. Abusumayah when she assaulted her. If she liked her she wouldn't have committed the assault in the first place. Hate crime tags detract from the crime at hand...a simple assault on a person.

In Pakistan, someone would break the American's neck for daring to touch a Muslim woman for whatever reason.

And nobody would have seen anything. LOL

#76 | Posted by Tosser
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And then you would have had to do an honor killing of the woman because she was touched by an infidel.

Very open-minded, progressive people you have over there. Does it ever bother you that the civilized world considers you to be animals?

And right after posting, I noticed that Alex rang in sooner. Apologies.

Rape victims in the middle east are murdered to preserve their "honor"

1. We are not talking about the Middle East, I'm afraid. We are talking of Chicago.

2. This was a criminal assault on a person minding her business. And that is how the law will treat it.

3. Americans need to learn respect of the law. Just because someone dresses different is no reason to assault them.

The law will see to it this woman is flushed down the drain.

Hat Crime:

And then you would have had to do an honor killing of the woman because she was touched by an infidel.

Nope. That is what you might like to do.

We are not like you, I'm afraid.

Does it ever bother you that the civilized world considers you to be animals?

Does it bother you the civilized world considers you petrol thieves?

Manners manners manners.

If not learnt at home, they are learnt in jail. LOL

The common American WILL learn. Slowly, surely, yet painfully.

Does it bother you the civilized world considers you petrol thieves?

#84 | Posted by Tosser
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Thieves? Maybe you're unaware of something called the trade deficit, which exists solely because of imported oil, that we pay for. Now if you think you're still getting ripped off, feel free to take that up with the Saudi royal family, or any of the dysfunctional, despotic regimes who pretend to run things over there. They're Muslims, last I checked. So you already have a lot in common.

"In Pakistan, someone would break the American's neck for daring to touch a Muslim woman for whatever reason.

And nobody would have seen anything. LOL"

Interesting theory. But I'm torn: On the one hand, the attacker was a woman and hard line Muslims love beating on women. On the other hand jihadists avoid fighting heads up whenver possible. They are always blowing crap up or shooting unarmed people - in my country, your country and anywhere else they act.

So which would win? The desire to beat a woman. Or the fear of attacking someone who might be able to fight back.

Hard for me to say, so I'll defer to your broader depth of knowledge on the subject and agree with you that the urge to beat on a woman would win.

"Does it bother you the civilized world considers you petrol thieves?"

Wouldn't you have to be part of the civilized world in order to know this? You don't qualify. Stick to talking about beating on women. You know that.

Sully, #87 was one of the best posts I've ever seen.

The common American WILL learn. Slowly, surely, yet painfully.

#85 | Posted by Tosser
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You are 100% right about that.

The common American WILL learn. Slowly, surely, yet painfully.

#85 | Posted by Tosser

The common American will slowly, surely and painfully learn what? Please do share from your crystal ball.

#91

It almost sounds like a threat, doesn't it, Up?

The law will see to it this woman is flushed down the drain.

#81 | Posted by Tosser at 2009-11-19 12:47 PM

This is a bull shit charge.

Excuse me, but did you read in the papers "Tosser yanks off Cross from neck of Padre!"
No?
Huge difference, mate... huge difference.
#7 | Posted by Tosser at 2009-11-19 07:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

Nope, I read "Muslim man kills 13 and shoots dozens". You're right, it is a huge difference!

It almost sounds like a threat, doesn't it, Up?

#92 | Posted by Lisa

Perhaps, perhaps. I'm just curious as to what our curriculum will be. Perhaps this Tosser can educate me. Or perhaps he's just angry. I don't have a crystal ball and I doubt he/she does either.

If a murderer cites religion as one of his/her prime motivators, you can bet money the killer is a Muslim. You'll be right about 99 times out of a 100.

Citing the 1 time in a 100 that a religious killer is not a muslim, or citing non-religion prime motived killers that might have have some religious tie, does not change the following fact:

"If a murderer cites religion as one of his/her prime motivators, you can bet money the killer is a Muslim. You'll be right about 99 times out of a 100."

ISLAM has a problem. And political correctness will not cover it forever.

The best option for a cure is a hardcore internal reformation of the scale of the one that made Martin Luther a famous character in history. Options after that get progressively more troublesome and ugly.

Shreaking about a yanked headscarf as a 'hate crime' only highlights the problem that ISLAM has.

Islam has many problems. One big problem is how some Muslims feel compelled to defend insults against their prophet. Humans defending the 'all-powerful' deity they worship...mere mortals coming to the rescue of their god. What's up with that? Mortal defending god? Pretty piss-poor excuse for a god, any god, that can't/won't/is unable to defend themselves. (maybe it's cause they aren't there.....?)

ISLAM has a problem.

Well, right now, the Chicago woman who did the hate crime assault has a problem.

It's called "jail". hahahahahahahahahaha

"Shreaking about a yanked headscarf as a 'hate crime' only highlights the problem that ISLAM has."

I think that's more of a cultural than a religious thing.

But it is idiotic. What I want to know is is this: If they are so worried about the so far imaginary backlash, why doesn't CAIR give a shit about the root of the problem? Who does more damage to Islam in the US: The woman who yanked on a scarf or the religious figures who put it in someone's head that shooting up a bunch of people is somehow a way to defend Islam? The scarf yanker needs to go to jail but the people who inspire mass murder should be protected? Why is CAIR completely uninterested in cleaning up their own house? In my opinion, until they show a real interest in addressing both sides of the issue, their motives are completely prejudiced and they have no credibility.

"ISLAM has a problem.

Well, right now, the Chicago woman who did the hate crime assault has a problem.

It's called "jail". hahahahahahahahahaha"

Awwe. Our little third world friend doesn't understand innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Shocker.

innocent until proven guilty

I'm sure she's guilty. Americans have a lot of repressed anger and it would be typical for a person like that to just let it out on some random person.

I'm sure she's guilty. Americans have a lot of repressed anger and it would be typical for a person like that to just let it out on some random person.

#101 | Posted by Tosser at 2009-11-19 02:49 PM | Reply

No, not some random person. A repressed muslim woman too stupid to realize walking around like a fucking ninja is ridiculous.

"I'm sure she's guilty."

Yes, like I said you don't understand trial by jury or innocent until proven guilty. Thanks for confirming.

"A repressed muslim woman too stupid to realize walking around like a fucking ninja is ridiculous."

LOL. I worked in an area of Newark with alot of black converts to Islam. You could hear the call to prayers every day. And all the local people referred to women with face coverings as "ninjas".

What a tiresome bunch of people, Muslims. Suppose they just disappeared tomorrow--poof--out of Africa, the Middle East, the Pacific. What would be the effect on the world?

It would be a lot more peaceful, to be sure. Would there be any medicines not made, any planes not built? Books not printed? Computers not assembled? What would be the effect on world commerce? On the arts? On world cuisine? On the Olympics?

It's not bigoted to ask the question. The Discovery Channel had a compelling show called "The World Without Us" that was very interesting. So it's fair to ask, what would "The World Without Them" be like?

Well, right now, the Chicago woman who did the hate crime assault has a problem.

It's called "jail". hahahahahahahahahaha

#98 | Posted by Tosser

She bonded out. Mrs. Kenney should be punished. She is just one of many people in the news who has a problem. However, islam is a cult with many, many, many problems.

No shit, there are racists and bigots in the US. One of them crossed the line and was arrested. What is the big deal here? A crime was committed, and it will be punished.

There's no reason to inflate this into something it isn't. Make this crazy woman clean the gutters of a few Chicago mosques or something.

Does CAIR take overseas donations? Is it legal?

I would like to contribute to some fund that will nail this woman and send her to jail.

Please let me know where to send the money and how.

"Does CAIR take overseas donations? Is it legal?"

Ooh. Tosser got must have got a job. What did you do, sneak into India? Why not cut out the middle man and give your rupees directly to Al Queda?

Does CAIR take overseas donations? Is it legal?

You certainly know what buttons to press to get a rise out of people.

I would like to contribute to some fund that will nail this woman and send her to jail.

Keep your rupees. It's a pretty simple case.

You certainly know what buttons to press to get a rise out of people.

I am pretty good aren't I? LOL

However, being a rich dude gives me options.

I will explore the possibility myself. I just feel like ruining somebody's life on the other side of the world.

Just because I can.

I will explore the possibility myself. I just feel like ruining somebody's life on the other side of the world.

#114 | Posted by Tosser
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Maybe you could convert people to Islam. That would do it too.

I just feel like ruining somebody's life on the other side of the world.

With those kind of qualifications, I'm sure you could work in my government.

I'm sure you could work in my government.

Cool!

Punishment should fit the crime, 3 years in prison and a $25,000 fine is pretty ridiculous and certainly not fair. I think a crime of this sort deserves, at most, a $50 fine and a lecture from the judge.

Not even Tosser has disputed this.

Tim McViegh was Muslim?

Who knew? LOL

"Tim McViegh was Muslim?"

Oooh. McVeigh. The Jihadi apologist's poster boy. They loves them some Timmy McVee.

Wasn't motivated my religion. Also didn't walk into a market with a bomb strapped to himself, which was the example being discussed. Got anyone else?

If a jet streaks out of the sky and drops napalm on an innocent village the chances of it being a Muslim in the cockpit are pretty small.

Got anyone else?

James Kopp.

Eric Robert Rudolph.

How many more you need?

Wasn't motivated my religion.

Yes he was.

He was motivated by what happened to Koresh and his people... who were very much a religious group who wanted to be left alone.

Also didn't walk into a market with a bomb strapped to himself

Oh, he did a lot worse... a truck load of explosives, not a suicide vest's worth. LOL

Got anyone else?

How dare us forget the Ku Klux Klan!

Here's one that's even worse. Teenager faces trial for ordering a big Mac at McDonalds as a rap song. His friends were recording it for you tube where it has had 6 million hits. He is charged with disorderly conduct in a Utah Court. What a waste of time and money. US Prosecutors take themselves far too seriously and hurt too many people unnecessarily.

The stupid woman should have kept her hands to herself, but also the stupid Muslims should not kill Americans either...

Obuma signed hate crime into law. Hate crime is extremely Racist, bigoted, biased, extremely predjudiced, unfair, and, unconstitutional, and should be done away with, because it's use is applied mostly to the white race of Americans...

"James Kopp.

Eric Robert Rudolph.

How many more you need?"

LOL. Got more? Fire away. You're just making a fool of yourself. Anynoe who believes the Christian inspired violence in recent history reaches anywhere near the level of violence inspired by Islam is a sophist.

Ah

Tim McVeigh

Tim McViegh self-declared prime motivator was not killing for Christainity. It was ANTI-GOVERNMENT due in part from Governmant action at Waco.

But hey, I'm open to the idea of counting him.

BY ALL MEANS, LETS COUNT HIM.

Now all the Muslim violence in the Phillipines, in Russia, in China, etc, is ALL counted too.

Tosser, you STILL GOT THAT 100 to 1 ratio.

Sucks to be you.

So, count Tim McViegh (however flawed the logic...), and STILL, if someone murders for religious reasons, you can STILL bet money its a Muslim, and STILL be right 99 times out of 100.

Tosser, you said in #1 "I don't agree with women wearing headscarves (not part of my religion, at least) ... "

What was that all about? You think Turkey's secularist or perhaps separation of church and state way is better? Pakistan allows women to dress how they want?

Pakistan allows women to dress how they want?

Watch Pakistani TV and see for yourself. It's on the internet for free.

Man, my computer kind of sucks and won't even play Youtube videos so I doubt if streaming TV would work. I know in the UAE I did not understand what the situation was because there would be women wearing western clothes and then there were the BMOs (black moving objects) all over the place. I just knew that UAE was supposed to be different. Apparently Pakistan has freedom for women to not wear the scarf if they don't want to.

(The only woman a scarf has ever looked good on was Audrey Hepburn).

Man, my computer kind of sucks and won't even play Youtube videos

If you have Firefox you can use more than one add-ons to download YouTube and watch later.

Bro, I don't want to learn anything about 'puters or software. I've got way too many things I'm interested in already.

If my computer gets bad enough I will just give it to the IT department and they will give me a new one with everything working on it.

If my computer gets bad enough I will just give it to the IT department and they will give me a new one with everything working on it.

Man...

Just tell them to get streaming video working on it. You will be a happier gentleman for it, trust me.

Well, I would have to drive 4 hours to turn in my old one which still functions for work. At any rate, catch you later.

"We wish this had happened in Texas so we could whine about it"

dull and deth

"She said last week that the Nov. 5 shootings at Fort Hood, where 13 soldiers were killed, were "very upsetting and very sad to me -- as Muslims and Arabs we do not tolerate these kinds of actions."

As Muslims and Arabs, they often dance in the streets when some atrocity is committed against people in the USA and Europe as was seen when 9/11/2001 attack on the World Trade center happened. Yeah, peaceful my ASS!!

VancoverBob:

" peaceful my ASS!!"

"Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him." (Hadith Al Buhkari vol. 9:57)

"Whoever seeks other than Islam as his religion, it will not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he will be with the losers" "Slay the idolators wherever ye find them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the last Day. Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! (Sura 9:5,29,41).

Sister Lisa is afraid....

Mohammed said, "I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, none has the right to be worshipped but Allah" (Al Bukhari vol. 4:196).

Sura 5:51: "O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he among you that turns to them for friendship is of them." This friendship makes any Muslim a enemy of their own and deserving of the same fate as the unbeliever. This is because God does not guide an unjust people.

Yep...peaceful!

Ooooooo....! Mommy! I am afraid!

She doesn't sound afraid to me, just wary. Like if you know there's a pack of wild boars in the woods over there, and you just prefer to avoid them. Swine can't be reasoned with, can't be persuaded--no point. So you just decide to stay away, and have your reasons why.

Send the lady to jail.

#1 | Posted by Tosser

For simple assault? This is America and this is a misdemeanor. Pepole don't go to jail here for simply touching someone else's head scarf or hat.

I'm not advocating a specific sentence, but it's only fair to point out that people in this country (USA) go to jail all the time for misdemeanor offences -- in theory (but seldom in practice) for up to a year.

Lock her up. Anybody who assaults another person should be locked up.

#27 | Posted by jackass

Another dumbass shows up. People in this country don't do jail time, at least not in most cases, for an assault of this nature. At the most they get probation.

Everdumb

"Valerie Kenney, 54, a bank teller from Tinley Park, appeared at the Bridgeview Courthouse on Wednesday and was released on $5,000 bail. If convicted of the felony, Kenney faces up to 3 years in prison and a $25,000 fine. She is due back in court Dec. 3."

She is being charged with a Felony moron.

Another dumbass shows up.

Why?

For the first time in a long time, Jackass has shown a spark of sanity.

Assault must not be tolerated.

If this were reversed and a muslim ripped the cap off a white person people would be calling the muslim a terrorist and demand they be sent to Gitmo.

The difference being a video camera would be running and a masked muslim with a jihad banner and a machete would be removing the hat in a more creative way.

If we are to have things like hate crime legislation then then every variable needs to be looked at. Such as the shootings that just took place. People act irrationally when filled with anger and it needs to be considered.

There are bad apples anywhere you go but universally condemn people of a faith is extremely ignorant and wrong.

#148 | Posted by jackass at 2009-11-20 10:48 AM |

really? Mr Ignorant and Wrong..

Christians are morons that attempt to force their beliefs on others.

Posted by jackass at 2009-11-19 09:29 AM | Reply

Eberly that was a factual comment not a generalization.

Jackasshole,
What did Nick Berg or Daniel Pearl do?

Jackass is a retard.

Jackass is a retard AND psychotic.

If this were reversed and a muslim ripped the cap off a white person people would be calling the muslim a terrorist and demand they be sent to Gitmo.

#145 | Posted by jackass at 2009-11-20 10:37 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: Knows this isn't true.

The republicans on this message board most certainly would be. Nanc can't even spell Islam correctly.

If this is the extent of the 'muslim backlash'--we as a country are doing very well.

Try her for assault and/or battery. Drop the hate crime stuff. Move on with life. And send her to counseling once she's done with jail.

So as in the Middle Ages "Non Believers" are still being persecuted and prosecuted!!!

you watch paki tv tosser i'll pass

you watch paki tv

Might as well.

Beef stew!

The victim was too embarrassed to report that she had also been given a wedgie.

More Pak TV....!