Boston Teacher's Union Wants Bad Teachers to Get Bonuses

The Boston Teachers Union staunchly opposes a performance bonus plan for top teachers

How dare they reward top teachers. Union mentality - that guy overproducing needs to realize he is making his brothers look bad.

How embarrassing.

Right on, Andy! Right ON!

Bonuses?
The average teacher in this country are over paid babysitters. Hell, everyone knows you dont get an education until you pay for it out of your own pocket to some gamed institution that teaches you to be good little corporate thugs and buck passers.
Now consider that it takes a decade or more to even recognise which of them are really any good, but by then they've embedded themselves into the system, usually requiring a criminal act to remove them. If you can prevent the local school board or union from covering it up.

Unions insist that everyone be paid as if they are the most productive employee while insisting everyone produce no more than the worst employee.

"Boston Teacher's Union Wants Bad Teachers to Get Bonuses"

I wonder if there is a way to reward good teachers in ways other than $$?

"while insisting everyone produce no more than the worst employee."

You immediately lose the argument when you resort to a bald-faced lie.

Danforth,

Most unions get upset when someone works to the utmost capacity. It is bothersome to them and would make everyone else work harder to meet the new standard. Thus why there is so much threatening and booing when people cross the picket line.

I say when people strike in terms a job that treats them well, hire all new staff. It happened once before. It should happen more often.

If you are going to complain, fine, goodbye, other people are lined up for your job.

"Most unions get upset when someone works to the utmost capacity."

Link?

"If you are going to complain, fine, goodbye, other people are lined up for your job."

So are you actually saying workers are not allowed to complain about their jobs, or take steps to improve their workplace?!?

#8 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-11-19 11:42 AM | Reply

It appears he's saying the same thing you said to people in response to the article about the child that was made to cry for a TV commercial.
If you don't want the work, get out of the way, somebody else will do it.

"It appears he's saying the same thing you said to people in response to the article about the child that was made to cry for a TV commercial."

Um, you've got it backwards. YOU were the one complaining about the work in that case.

Dan - I based my knee-jerk reaction on anecdotal evidence from guys at the guard base (Peoria is filled with union workers) and they speak glowingly about the rules for their different shops. The popular one is the example of an assembly worker not painting something that may need painting in the shop, because it would be taking work away from their union brothers.

So the business has to call a union painter to come paint whatever needs work done. Also the idea of overproducing is not something to strive for.

Anecdotal evidence being what it is, I google unions and productivity, and the few articles I've read have a left/right split like most large issues so any link I would post would be equally negated by a post you could provide.

I do believe union shops lower productivity.

gitm

you get the education you want in most cases. there have been too many smart and successfull people come out of inner city schools for that not to be true for many people.

problem with education hasnt changed. its not manufactoring widgits where you can dispose of faulty or bad material so that the product you put out is always good or one particular level.

my solution is simple but costly

you pay the classroom teacher the same salary you pay a coach for instance but then TWO other things have to happen
the coach GETS FIRED IF he loses
BUT he also has CONTROL over most every aspect of his classroom...the field...

have the same expectations and REWWARD for all but you HAVE TO give them the freedom and control or the others dont work.

Link?

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Anecdotal evidence for me. My dad is a retired accountant for Caterpillar. When the UAW had their big strike in the 90s, many office staff worked in the factory. A few union guys didn't strike and one of them trained my dad. After a few days, my dad was cranking out parts and the union guy told him to slow down since it was making his prior production look bad.

Danforth, try quoting the whole textual context next time.

Losing their job for complainging would be based on this:

"I say when people strike in terms a job that treats them well, hire all new staff. It happened once before. It should happen more often.

If you are going to complain, fine, goodbye, other people are lined up for your job.
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Thank for playing.

HEADLINE:

Boston Teachers to Beat Up Allentown Boy Scout

"try quoting the whole textual context next time."

So what are you saying...you believe they should be able to complain, but never strike?

"It happened once before."

I imagine you're referring to PATCO.

Of course, the replacement workers found a need to form a Union.

Thanks for playing.

"After a few days, my dad was cranking out parts and the union guy told him to slow down since it was making his prior production look bad."

And your dad actually did that? Why?

Actually did what?

After a few days, my dad was cranking out parts and the union guy told him to slow down since it was making his prior production look bad."

And your dad actually did that? Why?

#18 | Posted by Danforth

I had a similar experience when I was about twenty. I thought the guys were joking until they slammed me against the wall.

Strange...in my Unions, everyone is encouraged to do the absolute best work they can, and do it better than the guy next to him or the previous worker.

"Actually did what?"

Slowed down? Why didn't he have the courage of his convictions?

"Boston Teachers to Beat Up Allentown Boy Scout"

Yeah, so what? Boy scouts are a bunch of do-gooder little pricks that should be beaten up. Regularly.

I never said he slowed down. I said he was told by a union guy to slow down.

Um, you've got it backwards. YOU were the one complaining about the work in that case.

#10 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-11-19 11:48 AM | Reply

Nope, I don't have it backwards. You were saying if they didn't want to make their baby cry they could get out of the way because somebody else was standing in line behind them that was willing to. Which is the point I believe EXPRS was making.

"You were saying if they didn't want to make their baby cry they could get out of the way because somebody else was standing in line behind them that was willing to. "

Making the same pay; a world of difference. And who said the workers weren't willing to do the work?

"The average teacher in this country are over paid babysitters"

What do you know about education to make a ridiculous statement like this?

LOL

Hey Dylan....I saw your post and wanted to add they are definately underpaid but wanted to see who made that ridicules post first.

You do realize that it was made by the same person who told us here on drudge that he, his wife and their adult daughter would go out to a bar with their daughter dressed up as a younger girl just to watch the guys hit on her.

I wouldn't take his opinion to mean much when it comes to teachers, parenting or a sense of right or wrong.

Thanks, Lisa. I'm a teacher, and I quit worrying about people like Gitmboy's opinion a long time ago. I do notice, however, that he can evidently read, write, and spell?
He must not know that much about kids if he thinks babysitting is all that easy! I wouldn't want him within 50 yards of one of my students.

Thanks Lisa. I wasn't that worried about his opinion; I've heard it before, and I'll challenge it every time. He obviously knows nothing about public education.

repugs have been bashing unions, teachers, public schools since reagan.....

Know why? Because teachers vote overwhelmingly for what's in the best interests of students and that means for dems.

90% of ALL Americans are educated in public schools.
95% have been educated in public schools before 1990s

Most public schools and teachers do a great job.

Private schools cannot and will not educate all Americans as public schools do. Private schools can decide which students they take and which they don't, based on ability to pay, handicap, behavior, etc.

Studies have repeatedly shown that the two most important factors in a student's educational success, is poverty level and parental involvement. Private schools can control both those variables. Public schools cannot, they are charged to educate ALL Americans.

Vouchers only work for those already wealthy enough to send their kids to private school.

Private schools and experiments like charter schools are not held accountable or to the same standards that public schools are.

Though the right had a huge problem with busing students across town to achieve racial and educational equality, and defeated that, they now have no problem with our tax money paying to bus private students across outlying counties, insuring segregation and inequality in schools.

As far as bonuses go, who decides?
Administration? Other teachers? Testing of students?

All are fraught with problems.

Teachers unions believe that ALL teachers should do a good job and be rewarded by good pay, not just 2 or 3, here or there.

Because teachers vote overwhelmingly for what's in the best interests of students and that means for dems.

and so keeping the students in DC in the pitifull public schools there as obamas guy just did

that was in the best interest of those students who had been going to a private school??

please...............

Please what?

Please pretend private schools can or want to educate all DC students?

Please pretend that paying for transportation across counties for private/parochial students is in the best interests of ALL students or does not take money away from public schools?

Please pretend that abandoning public schools instead of supporting, fixing and funding them fully is in the best interests of Americans?