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Monday, November 16, 2009

HAMMOND A federal judge ordered the Tangipahoa Parish School Board this week to hire qualified black applicants for administrative positions until 40 percent of these positions are held by black educators, court records show.

The order, signed by U.S. District Judge Ivan L.R. Lemelle on Tuesday and filed into the online electronic court records on Thursday, is the latest development in the decades-long desegregation lawsuit, Joyce Marie Moore v. the Tangipahoa Parish School Board.

"I think (the judge is) letting the superintendent and the School Board know he is very serious about this," said Patricia Morris, president of the parish chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. "The orders are meant to be complied with and haven't been."

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The School Board's violation of a court order from 1975 establishing a 40-60, black-to-white ratio for School Board staff was among the major reasons the Tangipahoa NAACP branch pushed to reactivate the suit two years ago, Morris said.

"If they were doing what they were supposed to be doing the whole time, we wouldn't be here," Morris said....

The judge also has yet to rule on the overall plan to desegregate the school system's 33 schools after three months of hearings this summer and a hearing in August where attorneys presented closing arguments.

A federal judge did this? This is what happens when you appoint people to the bench who believe the constitution is a lving dcoument. This is unconstitutinal. The equal protection claused is raped again in the name of "diversity."

The NAACP has outlived it's usefulness, definitely.

The NAACP has done sooooooooo much to advance people of color...yeah...

www.youtube.com

Last Friday, Beck had as guests all conservative black people - bloggers, heads of companies, writers, educators, etc. - the consensus was that their leftist/liberal brothers and sisters have succumbed to "plantation mentality" - in a nutshell - one of his best programs to date. One lady stated that in order to bring them out would be to eliminate liberalism. There is so much truth in that.

How does Garafalo fit into this? I didn't see her name anywhere in the article.

Changing the headline to: Racism Straight Up, by Nanc
would better describe it.

DX - it's her trademark line - that and "teabanging" - you title your posts and I'll title mine, 'kay?

It is duly noted you are of the plantation, dx.

Just a side note. Nanc's best friend owns a hotel that flies a confederate flag.

My best friend is my husband...

We don't own a motel...and have only U.S. flags in our yard, but are getting a "Don't tread on me" flag to put up!

You know what I mean. Your tea party buddy that is racist to the extreme.

What are you implying, jerry?

When a particular actor has displayed a rampant history of prior discrimination, the use of numerical quotas may be justified. Local 28 v. EEOC see also, US v. Paradise.

Do try to keep up.

What those precedents say is that in order to fight racism state imposed racism is the answer? Are thos precednts consitutional? I believe judges should only bound themselves to consitutional precedents.

Are thos precednts consitutional?

Those are SCOTUS rulings.

qualified black applicants


oooohhhhhh the horror!!!!!!!!!!

forcing the desgregration of the school system


ooooooohhhhhhh the humanity

34 years of ignoring the decree to desegregate and remove racism from the hiring practices is not enough for some racists (NANC).

how dare they demand that african americans be given jobs.

HOW DARE THEY!

qualified black applicants

qualified black applicants

qualified black applicants

how dare a parish in Louisiana have to hire qualified black applicants.

the blechs should be happy in their station, right nanc?

and you call yourself a christian.

Are thos precednts consitutional?
Those are SCOTUS rulings.
#16 | Posted by taxman

I've got to give you the FF first, but then I'm coming back around to give you the NW flag.

"Special treatment" should only be used in cases where "merit" is the rule of the day. Have you, th, seen what qualifies as "qualified" in many public schools? Nobody likes "quotas".

"Those are SCOTUS rulings."

So was Plessy vs Ferguson for almost 60 years.

And besides, it is the Constitution that is the Supreme law of the land, not supreme court precedents. Judges are bound by the supreme law.

You asked if they were precedential, they are Supreme Court rulings, so they hold the utmost precedential weight. Are you seriously comparing these rulings to Plessy?
Special treatment" should only be used in cases where "merit" is the rule of the day.

Not accourding to the Supreme Court.

Nobody likes "quotas".

Neither does the Supreme Court, but when an actor consistently refuses to conform it is one of few remedies avaialable.

Racial quotas are racist.

If racism was keeping blacks off this school board in the past, then you go after the racists until the board is cleaned up. Enacting a racist policy to combat racism is just idiotic.

Truthhurts,

you seem to be trumpeting the "qualified applicant" angle.

let me ask you... who should get preferential hiring treatment.

a qualified applicant, or the MOST qualified applicant.

I'm all for a the numbers to be skewed the opposite way with many more blacks than whites hired, as long as they are the most qualified applicants.

The fact that WE are dealing with this in 2009(?) makes me suspect that the town is not serious concerning equal opportunity.

This is 1960's shit.

I second Sully's comment - enacting racist policies to combat racism is beyond stupid.

Having said that, I DO understand, to a point, the rationale behind programs like Affirmative Action.

However, my belief is that such programs are now obsolete and it can be argued that they did as much harm as good vis a vis unintended consequences.

The fact is our society has African Americans at the highest levels of all facets of our nation, including POTUS.

Enough is enough.

The playing-field has been sufficiently leveled. Enough with this shit. It's time to move forward and become a truly post-racial society.

I see we're getting quite petty with the dumps.

No. She sucked off her biology teacher and let him splooge on her tits. However, she only received a B+ because she scraped a little with her teeth, and because she had very hairy nipples.

#160 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2009-11-16 02:58 PM |


Not that I find it offensive, but how is this not a dump and me saying nanc's husband's best friend is his dog is?

Using a name of a celebrity in a title when the article doesn't even breath a whisper of a thought of a mention of that celebrity is asinine.

I'm torn on the contents of an article. Like Jeff, I understand and pretty much support the reasons behind AA. But if there are two 100% equally qualified candidates possible to hire, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth that race would be used EITHER WAY to make the decision.

That being said, if the feds are having to get into the act in this place after how many years, something tells me perhaps the post-racial community the rest of us desire has not reached this town yet.

I wonder if 60/40 match the demographics of the town?


Racial quotas are racist.


If racism was keeping blacks off this school board in the past, then you go after the racists until the board is cleaned up. Enacting a racist policy to combat racism is just idiotic.

#22 | Posted by Sully at 2009-11-16 01:22 PM | Reply |

I tend to agree, but you gotta put the rubber to the road, and just how do you suppose to start identifying the racists? All the white guys?

And if you do determine it, just how do you certify they are no longer racists?

And just how long can you go about this process until you've violated other laws.

The problem is not racism. As with many Parishes here in Louisiana, the school boards are between a rock and a hard spot. In this case a lawsuit was filed and a judge made a ruling. But the ruling turned out to be un-do-able because:
1) there were not, at the time, enough qualified black candidates to fill the positions
2) there are still not enough qualified black applicants to fill the positions
3) the school board can not legally terminate someone because of their race
4) the already broke school board can not afford to simply hire two people for the same job
In short, everybody wants racial parody in this case. But face it. Sometimes you just can't legislate demographic equality. And one other note. To give you an idea of what a cluster this really is, while not specifically prohibited, the black community in T-Parish has also made it clear that they will continue to throw a fit if the jobs are given to blacks from other Parishes. Al and Jesse really screwed the pooch on this one and are trying hard to put a little distance between themselves and this case.

""Special treatment" should only be used in cases where "merit" is the rule of the day. Have you, th, seen what qualifies as "qualified" in many public schools? Nobody likes "quotas"."

More semi-veiled public school bashing, Nanc? Come on. Why not just come right out and say it? Have the balls to cite specific issues. I'm so fucking fed up with public school bashing.

Prag - when our youngest comes home and tells us she has SIX PLUS pages of study notes on izlam from World History class and less than one page in Christianity and the idiot teacher has the audacity to state that "ala" is the same god as the God of Christianity - we have a beef - and when they tell me their science books state within the first two pages that "evolution" is the rule of the day - we take issue. When "grammar" is no longer as important as "content" - there is a problem. Do YOU check up on what your children are studying or do you take for granted they're learning "facts" or "feelings"?

We have five between us who're raised up and four are decent human beings - the fifth was diagnosed with adhd at a teacher's behest at four and on drugs his entire childhood and is now a pothead loser - tell me which the public school system failed. The other four are good, law abiding and sensible people due to parental intervention with public schools.

Never take for granted the public school system is going to do right by your children - the children who should mean more to you than your own life.

is now a pothead loser

you mean he follows the beat of a different drummer,I hope

No, I mean he appears to be a lost cause - will probably never do anything meaningful with his life if he doesn't accept personal responsibility - it's all about drugs and getting some to him - he has no goals - the prescription drugs ruined him. We do hope he'll snap out of it before it's too late. It's not for our lack of trying - his mother was/is the worst in enablers - in the past she'd call and whine about some trouble he'd been in, but doesn't want to really do anything about him - just looking for sympathy. He's a grown man now and is responsible for himself. We hope and pray he has a "prodigal son" moment.

Nanc,
Well what can you do?When I had my kids I was thinking "I'm going to raise them different then how I was raised"
But it didn't seem to make much difference.Like I say What can you do.

""Special treatment" should only be used in cases where "merit" is the rule of the day"

special treatment is wrong

but biggotry is ok in nanc's book.

"we have a beef "

you always have beef at the truth.

we say la ela ha illal la

ela is the hebrew word for God.
allah is the arabic.

same word

sorry nanc but your public school teacher is right... and you are a biggot.

ela is the hebrew word for God.
allah is the arabic.
same word
#37 | Posted by klifferd

You keep dishing that stuff out and my head will explode. I already know everything I need to know to think the way I already think.
~Nank

doc, her imam .. oops i mean pastor, already told her its ok to hate the satan woshipping mooselimbs.

Mooselimbs sounds like something Sarah Palin would worship. After all isn't She the Moosegal from mooseville??

Larry

"Prag - when our youngest comes home and tells us she has SIX PLUS pages of study notes on izlam from World History class and less than one page in Christianity"

Depends on what the focus is. Western History tends to focus on Europe, hence Christianity. World History tends to focus on... the rest of the world.

" and the idiot teacher has the audacity to state that "ala" is the same god as the God of Christianity - we have a beef -"

It is. And it's spelled Allah. Your beliefs are different; both mean God. But you have a point--the teacher is politicizing. In high school, that might be okay.

" and when they tell me their science books state within the first two pages that "evolution" is the rule of the day - we take issue. "

It is. The teaching of science puts the theory of evolution forward as our best understanding of biological growth. Is intelligent design science?

But again, you are talking about _your_ experience of public schools. You didn't say "you should see what passed for qualified in the public schools in my area"; you said "Have you, th, seen what qualifies as "qualified" in many public schools?" And btw, it's hard to take seriously criticism from someone who write the way you do. I don't mean that as a bash; clear communication, as I say to my kids, should be the goal.

"When "grammar" is no longer as important as "content" - there is a problem."

Whose fault is that? If it's really what's happening?

"Do YOU check up on what your children are studying or do you take for granted they're learning "facts" or "feelings"?

Only one of my kids is in school, and he's in kindergarten. I went to a parent-teacher conference last week, got an update, got a copy of the curriculum, reviewed it, felt good about it, felt positive about the teacher. Life is good.

Again, check your rhetoric. You cannot logically extend your kids' experience (your interpretation of same) to "public schools" in general.

"We have five between us who're raised up and four are decent human beings - the fifth was diagnosed with adhd at a teacher's behest at four and on drugs his entire childhood and is now a pothead loser - tell me which the public school system failed."

WHAT? You're blaming the schools for your child being a pothead loser? YOU have the power to assert control over your kids' school. You can deny drugs; you can deny treatment and insist on what you want. Sounds like the case manager might have screwed up in telling you your rights.

I thought you homeschooled your kids?

" The other four are good, law abiding and sensible people due to parental intervention with public schools."

Why did you not intervene with the "pothead loser"? (Poor kid/adult--having parents who say shit like this about him/her.)

"Never take for granted the public school system is going to do right by your children - the children who should mean more to you than your own life."

Agreed on both points. I work in a public school; I know very well the pitfalls. And I know how to work the system. The biggest fear any bad teacher or bad administrator should have is a teacher who gives a shit about his own kids. That said, I know that most teachers (most teachers I know) want to do right by kids, want to hold them to high standards, want to communicate with parents.

Your sample is hardly representative, and your anger, while perhaps well founded, is extended way too far. And I hope you really don't feel about that child of yours the way you sound.

Nanc, how does a teacher prescribe drugs to a student?

Prozacboi, in fairness to Nanc, she said "at the behest of" not "prescribed by." She is blaming the school, not the teacher. I think. Still odd. But schools can exert pressure, 'tis true.

They don't call "ritalin" and "adderall" the "teacher's drug" for nothing. If you'll check, you'll find that most children are on these drugs because a teacher will not deal with an ordinary, hyperactive child and insist the parents have them checked out. The rest of us realize the child is just exhibiting natural childlike behaviors.

"Your sample is hardly representative, and your anger, while perhaps well founded, is extended way too far. And I hope you really don't feel about that child of yours the way you sound."

#41 | Posted by pragmatist

It's not my child in the first place. Please re-read my statement.

"They don't call "ritalin" and "adderall" the "teacher's drug" for nothing. If you'll check, you'll find that most children are on these drugs because a teacher will not deal with an ordinary, hyperactive child and insist the parents have them checked out. The rest of us realize the child is just exhibiting natural childlike behaviors."

But teachers still can't prescribe them, even if your premise is valid. "A teacher"--still using that 5-inch brush there, Nanc. And _maybe_ the child is exhibiting natural childlike behaviors; maybe he or she has ADHD.

"We have five between us who're raised up and four are decent human beings - the fifth was diagnosed with adhd at a teacher's behest at four and on drugs his entire childhood and is now a pothead loser "

How does this not mean your child?

And why are you not responding to any of my other points? You have told me at least twice that you always respond to questions specifically directed at you. I'm ready.

(If I made sweeping generalizations about homeschoolers--or about Christians, or about conservatives--as you do about teachers, you would be pissed, and rightfully so.)

Prag - I can only speak to our experiences - my apology for not going far enough to nail that. The adhd child is my husband's from his previous marriage. His mother brought him up although we tried to get her to give us custody of him and his sister because she was too busy out whoring around with any guy in her sights and leaving them with anybody who'd say "yes" when she asked. Her family had more money than we did so made sure we'd never be able to have custody.

I have special education teachers in my family and appreciate teachers very much.

p.s. - we only homeschooled a few years when ours were small - they have turned out well, but only because we dove headlong into what they were learning in public school. We also encouraged them to make their teachers accountable by questioning them. Oh, sure those teachers are glad they're gone...HA! Not really - those teachers have proven to be good friends to them even now.

Her family had more money than we did so made sure we'd never be able to have custody.


#47 | POSTED BY NANC AT 2009-11-17 01:21 PM

Lies!! A judge decided you weren't fit to have custody and money had nothing to do with it!

Perhaps what is meaningful to him isnt what is meaningful to you. Perhaps he see's the hatred, most blatant.
And then you speak as if he failed you, your religion and your god.
My mother and her family are very much like you, although their hatred isnt as obvious. Brother, sister, aunts, uncles, cousins, etc, etc. Father was a bastard, now dead, mankind better off without him.
They will never see my children, or grandchildren. They will never share in my acomplishments, nor have the opportunity to counsel me if life gets hard. They are not a part of my life and never shall be.
Pothead loser, huh? If that is what passes for love in your heart, some one should forcibly tattoo "FAIL" on your face.
Look in the mirror sweety, that is what evil looks like.


Just a side note. Nanc's best friend owns a hotel that flies a confederate flag.
......#8 | Posted by jackass

......Nanc has a friend?......


What those precedents say is that in order to fight racism state imposed racism is the answer?
.......#14 | Posted by member2586

......yup....seems to work......

Skizziks shocking I know, but misery loves company.

I believe judges should only bound themselves to consitutional precedents.
.......#14 | Posted by member2586

.....some judge has to set a precedent sometime.....

If racism was keeping blacks off this school board in the past, then you go after the racists until the board is cleaned up. Enacting a racist policy to combat racism is just idiotic.
.......#22 | Posted by Sully

.....all 'racially based' actions are not racist..

...when you are REDRESSING RACISM, you are effecting a correction to an injustice, that may be 'racially based' decision making, but it is not 'racism'......

"Prozacboi, in fairness to Nanc, she said "at the behest of" not "prescribed by." She is blaming the school, not the teacher. I think. Still odd. But schools can exert pressure, 'tis true.

#43 | Posted by pragmatist at 2009-11-17 12:20 PM"

I know, just funny that she blamed the teacher and the drugs and that was that, end of story. A teacher isn't qualified to diagnose anything of course but in nanc's world it's the teacher who's the bad guy.

Too bad that kids get thrown on the garbage pile because people are narrow minded and ignorant.

sounds like her pot head loser kid is rebelling from his biggot mom.

nanc, sorry you made him a pothead loser.

otherwise he'd be a pothead winner.


sounds like her pot head loser kid
.......#57 | Posted by klifferd

......sounds like he's had mental health issues since he was very young, and they continued into his adulthood, he may be trying to cope by self-medicating......

....seems there was at least a partial recognition that he was troubled, but it does not seem that the problems were correctly identified or treated........

Sounds like there are a bunch of assholes who jump at any opportunity to insult Nanc.

I think her politics are crap, below crap in fact, but I really feel like I see too many blatant attacks on her. You want Christians to stop feeling victimized? Stop being dicks for no reason.

In all seriousness, though, the kid sounds like he could have been reacting to myriad issues other than the ritalin and ADHD. Bounced around from home to home, custody fights, etc. Seems like even somebody with the best intentions and best child-rearing skills would have a hard time with that. Blaming the teachers in that case is uncalled for.

As for "grammar" vs. "content," why should grammar be more important? Don't get me wrong -- I'm not saying that it's not important. I taught honors composition for several years early in my teaching career. The students that came into the honors program from the parochial schools had impeccable grammar. The students from the public schools did not (although it wasn't bad). However, the students from the public schools could run circles around the the parochial school kids in terms of ideas, original thought, thinking outside the box, problem-solving, and being adaptable. Both grammar and content are important, but if you had to choose one over the other to be a successful adult, I would choose content.

And it's particularly painful typing that right now as I just had to help a student who didn't recognize that the word "ive" needed to be capitalized with an apostrophe, nor did he know what the word stood for. And this was in his own writing.

Oh, and regarding God --

I've got several pastors in my family and I come from a very religious upbringing. My understanding growing up was that Muslims worship the same God but in a misguided or incorrect way (I know that's not PC, but you must understand that I'm a live-and-let-live type of guy). If they trace their religious lineage back to Abraham, it's hard to deny that they've got in common with Christianity some of what Christianity has in common with Judaism.

Dylanfan, you are a remarkably rational human being. Except for that whole Dylan fan thing. (ducking and running now) : )

Good point about ideas.

I'm still waiting for Nanc to address any of my comments--not bashing, just waiting.

Thanks for the compliment. My remarks about bashing weren't directed at you. I don't think looking for a response to a question is bashing. Even if I did, it would be on-topic bashing, which I really have no problem with. It's the stuff that's out of left field that I find unnecessary.

"It's the stuff that's out of left field that I find unnecessary."

I'm with you, man. I too have commented on the needless and unprovoked Nanc-bashing and Lisa-bashing. But you know, bashing is kinda like the soup of the day here at DR: the only question is who's in it.

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