They are from where My Dad was born and grew up. Larned Kansas. Such a sad tale that's for sure.

Larry

They are from where My Dad was born and grew up. Larned Kansas. Such a sad tale that's for sure.

Larry

Posted by LarryMohr at 2009-11-16 09:06 AM | Reply

I guess I should have said WERE from huh?? Rolls Eyes.

That case really impacted in that area, hard. As I recall, the Clutters -- like virtually all farming folk at the time -- left their doors unlocked. Nobody bothered about something like that in those days.

That case really impacted in that area, hard. As I recall, the Clutters -- like virtually all farming folk at the time -- left their doors unlocked. Nobody bothered about something like that in those days.

Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2009-11-16 09:26 AM | Reply

They still do to some extent in western Kansas Even today which surprising.

Larry

That's what I thought. I've talked to oldtime cowboys who remember the days when you'd come up to a line shack or a wolfer's place where nobody was around. You'd help yourself to the firewood, then chop some more and leave it for the next visitor. If you drank some coffee, whatever, you left some edible supplies behind for the next guy.

I haven't read Capote's In Cold Blood in years, but I do remember getting the chills from it. And his examination of the goings on inside the heads of the two killers was terrifying.

I believe Perry and Miller were the last two people executed in Kansas, up at Lansing.

I believe Perry and Miller were the last two people executed in Kansas, up at Lansing.

Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2009-11-16 09:36 AM | Reply

I believe so too. They were Hanged. The new death house is in El Dorado. :+(

Too Many killings in Kansas over the Years. The Clutters the Carr Brothers Massacre BTK The Murder Ordained killings

I read In Cold Blood twice and saw the movie about three times. Filming the initial picture in black and white was an excellent choice -- stark, real, added to the suspense, and made the scenes more horrific. A decent, hardworking family destroyed by two evil men one dark night in an isolated Kansas farmhouse. Who can ever forget this story.

Too Many killings in Kansas over the Years. The Clutters the Carr Brothers Massacre BTK The Murder Ordained killings

I didn't realize this was the Clutter story.

I thought it was another thread about insurance companies.

LOL

I believe Perry and Miller were the last two people executed in Kansas, up at Lansing.

to follow up on Larry's post, I think they were the last 2 people hung in this country.

Decent, hardworking familys destroyed by an evil man one dark night.

Decent, hardworking familys..

To be fair, the Clutter were wealthy.

they must of screwed somebody.

:-(

I heard that certain priggish members of well known Gulch family set into motion the murder of many an adorable Kansas yorkie, with only one escaping destruction to live to tell the tale...

Doc, thank you very much for posting this. This article is extremely well written. I have not seen any of the films though I would like to. I was appreciative of the review from 1965, linked on the review, which places Capote in what might be called a school of writing together with "Hersey's Hiroshima, and the 'romantic documentaries' of Rachel Carson's writings about the sea, with the dramatised high journalism of Mary MacCarthy, Richard Rovere, and Edmund Wilson." That is a helpful bit for understanding him. Of course this article's author has to throw in a politically correct condemnation of Capote for his drugs and drinking, but I guess we all do have some right to be angry with him for withholding his talent and wasting his time partying when he could have been crafting the literary equivalent of crystallography. His "Breakfast at Tiffany's" is the best thing he wrote. I really enjoyed his telling about hanging around with Marilyn Monroe - she always made him buy the champagne and he complained about it, the poor little guy.

I read In Cold Blood in high school and saw Capote on the Tonight Show.

It was then I realized that a gay man could be famous and successful in America as long as he kept up a paper-thin facade of heterosexuality.

Liberace should have taught me that, but according to my mother he wasn't queer, just 'effeminate'. The facade even worked for a flamer like him.

I am sure Capote had a rough time in Western kansas. They are straight laced there. Very straight laced.

Go due your kitchen junk drawer. Open it! It has been widely reported by several investigative journalists, esteemed historians, and the National Enquirer that the nearly identical items in 90% of junk drawers in kitchens all across America + several Errol Flynn love letter were found up Truman's ass upon his untimely demise at the home of Joanne Carson.

"To be fair, the Clutter were wealthy.

they must of screwed somebody."

To be even fairer, Eberly, you obviously haven't RTFM. The Clutters were kindly, well-respected people who devoted much of their time and income to community service. Perry and Smith heard a rumor that they kept large amounts of cash on hand in a safe in their house, something that was untrue. The murders were partly an attempt to make the family divulge the location of the non-existent hoard, and partly fury at discovering that it wasn't real. A lot of poor people somehow have it in their heads that there must be gold bars under the beds in rich peoples' houses.

"I am sure Capote had a rough time in Western kansas. They are straight laced there. Very straight laced."

He did at first, but he had the sense to go there with author Nelle Harper Lee (To Kill a Mockingbird), who was a down-home, no-nonsense type of woman that Kansans could relate to. A routine evolved; Lee would make a first approach, then a meeting with Capote would be set up. It helped that Capote's Breakfast at Tiffany's was selling briskly at the time; even if people in Holcomb thought Capote was odd (and they did), there was the respectability of his achievement.

To be even fairer, Eberly, you obviously haven't RTFM.

I don't know what "RTFM" means.

but I did grow up 70 miles from the scene and "in Cold Blood" was practically required reading in my high school.

I was being sarcastic.

A lot of poor people somehow have it in their heads that there must be gold bars under the beds in rich peoples' houses.

and a lot of liberals here must have it in their heads that they stole the gold in the first place.

Eberly:

It means "Read The Fucking Material."

Next time you do sarcasm, could we at least ask that you phrase it in a way that doesn't sound like all the rest of your posts?

Next time you do sarcasm, could we at least ask that you phrase it in a way that doesn't sound like all the rest of your posts?

I could but instead I place a :-( at the end of the post to imply sarcasm.

"I could but instead I place a :-( at the end of the post to imply sarcasm."

Unfortunately, the sad face emoticon means that you're unhappy about what you just described, which in this case made it even less obvious that you meant to be sarcastic. A really obvious bit of sarky doesn't need any explanation, or if it's subtle, you might consider ending with "/sarcasm."

A decent, hardworking family destroyed by two evil men one dark night in an isolated Kansas farmhouse. Who can ever forget this story.

#9 | Posted by CalifChris at 2009-11-16 11:11 AM

yes, well, their lives weren't in vain - we did get a great movie out of it! And black and white no less, to add to the suspense, wow!

Sadly, this kind of event wouldn't rate more than a day or two of coverage today.

"He was a nice man. I thought so right up to the moment I cut his throat." Perry on Herb Clutter.

Barack Obama.

Barack Obama.

#29 | Posted by JOE at 2009-11-16 05:35 PM | Reply | Flag:Brainwaves flatlined at 5:34.59.

Does anybody know where Dick Cheney or Glen Beck were at this point in time?
Hmmmmm..........

Decent, hardworking familys destroyed by an evil man one dark night.
#12 | Posted by chickenrancher | Flag: Oops - Needs to Read the Article

I cannot comment on Capote's novel since I have never read it but I will say that Richard Brook's masterpiece 1967 film adaptation is on my 200 best movie list.

Crisis

What were the pills one of the killers was continually taking in the film? I seem to remember they were aspirin, but wondering if it was something else like amphetamines which would have also accounted for the violence.

Anybody?

Anybody?

Bueller?

Stop asking stupid questions Woke.

Just skip to the part where you blame it all on the neocons.

Woke:

Perry Smith was dependent on aspirin; his legs had been injured in a motorcycle accident when he was younger and he was in chronic pain.

Hey Eberly

You disappeared on me the other day after I debunked your bs, which is your m.o., eh? You post some bullshit, ask questions, then run away from the answers.

Here ya go anyhow...

Where did Wokeback go?
#175 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2009-11-16 03:40 PM
_Thanks for the concern, I'm fine, but have much more important things to do than interact endlessly with internet stalkers who have nothing of content to say.....sorry.
Let's review your posts to/about me so far:_1. _"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, _okay, I'll play with the retard for a bit....which one of those things did GWB try to get rid of?
#164 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2009-11-16 03:14 PM | REPLY | FLAG:
2._And whodathunk that so many Americans would have voted lilaWol into office, not to mention even nominating palin for veep, eh?
he ran against 2 retards easy to beat up on. doesn't surprise me that you can't see that._I'll concede that her nomination was a poor decision.
#165 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2009-11-16 03:16 PM

1. a. Uh, bush tried to PRIVATIZE Social Security....try using what's left of your ability to think for yourself what happens if the market fails (i know, i know you can't believe that might happen) and all our senior's have to depend on that instead of a govt program to insure they have some retirement....Thank God AARP stopped him.
b.Here's a link to bush trying to eliminate overtime pay....and then there was that thing about never wanting union workers on govt programs.._www.aflcio.org
c. Here's a link about bush trying to (ahem) "reform" unemployment insurance
Goldwater Institute Media Advisory_January 21, 2004_PHOENIX-President George W. Bush, who is in Arizona promoting policy initiatives aimed at improving job growth, has received praise for a key unemployment insurance reform proposal from economist William B. Conerly, author of a new Goldwater Institute report to be released Monday, January 26._In a December 16 meeting with policymakers and members of the local press, Dr. Conerly urged Arizona's congressional delegation to support reforms along the lines of the president's New Balance proposal, which would eliminate the federal unemployment insurance (UI) tax and give states more flexibility in the use of administrative funds.
www.goldwaterinstitute.org
_d. Actually, bush vetoed a farm bill after calling for the elimination of farm subsidies..
www.agpolicy.org
_You probably thought I made that up, instead of EISENHOWER, eh?
LOL

2. So, you voted for the MORE/BIGGER "retards" eh? LOL

Now, where's Eberly?
#190 | POSTED BY WOKE AT 2009-11-16 05:42 PM |

Goddamn, Woke-inski, I like your liberal views, but WTF are you posting this giant hunk of spam for on this thread ??? !!! Ni bu hao

Grumpy

My apologies.

I like your name. Weren't you the soft hearted one? LOL

I'm just showing everyone what a little lying pos bitch, Eberly is....claiming shit he cannot back up, so he cuts and runs everytime someone debunks his bullshit......

I guess that keeps his neocon indoctrination in place....

Of course, if he dared question his heroes and their ideology, he might wake up....but he claims he never reads any links anyone posts.....which explains his continual state of denial....

Leo Strauss' Philosophy of Deception
By Jim Lobe, AlterNet. Posted May 19, 2003.

Many neoconservatives are disciples of a philosopher who believed that the elite should use deception, religious fervor and perpetual war to control the ignorant masses.

#36

Thanks MTW......

Wokeback is delusional.

The FACTS are right there in front of you if you'd care to read them Eberly.

"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes that you can do these things. Among them are a few Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."
Dwight David Eisenhower

okay, I'll play with the retard for a bit....which one of those things did GWB try to get rid of?
#164 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2009-11-16 03:14 PM

He tried to get rid of everyone of them, like a good little neocon would, eh?

But you'd much rather continue in your indoctrinated beliefs, despite 8 years of total failure of your neocon heroes.....

No worries on me, but I pity anyone associated with someone like you who continually dodges the truth, even when it's placed right under his nose. There is a word for one like you who IGNORES the truth.

IGNORANT, eh?