To be inclusive, it's not just atheism. It's anything to do with "alternative religious movements". By imposing restrictions on an "alternative," the school board is implicitly advocating whatever religious beliefs it deems to be "mainstream". What does the state of Indiana think these movements are an "alternative" to, and how do they think they can restrict them in a public forum without violating the first amendment?

It would seem under this policy that you would be okay if you kept your religious surfing monotheistic. Go from one god to zero, however, and you've committed a major offense. Why? Allowing students to look up religious sites in school is a waste of time and potential distraction. If this is the basis for the policy, however, why are "mainstream" faiths exempt?

Oh my goodness--how about for research purposes? You know, EDUCATION. Of course, this could just be an alarmist blogger--I didn't read the PDF. : )

There is Christofascist war on atheism going on in this country.

Well thats dumb. Stupid shit like this just makes people more and more angry at 'the moral majority'

There is Christofascist war on atheism going on in this country.

If you asked everybody, most would be happy to live and let live. It doesn't take that many retarded fundamentalists to spoil everything, though. The Christofacists would like it to be a war, but then again those idiots always think that they're wrapped up in some titanic clash of good and evil. Somehow they still keep getting into positions of power and doing stupid stuff like this, but the courts tend to put them in their place at every opportunity.

Fine by me. Government needs religion about as much as I need an asshole on my elbow.

It would seem under this policy that you would be okay if you kept your religious surfing monotheistic. Go from one god to zero, however, and you've committed a major offense."

Or going from one god to many. Monotheists will hang on to their monopoly as long as possible.

Stupid shit like this just makes people more and more angry at 'the moral majority'

Heh.. moral majority...

They're not a "majority" and their "morals" are a barrel of anachronistic horseshit.

So these nit wits make rules like this and then a law suit results. OK, where is the moron to whine about lawyers and law suits but generally that moron is the one who doesn't complain about the School Board that made the unfair rules.

Well I see the persecution of the Christian ideology is proceeding full speed ahead.

"Then again those idiots always think they're involved in some clash between good and evil..."

Much like atheist groups think when they put up provocative billboards.

"Their morals are a brand of anachronistic bullshit..."

Atheist morality usually mimics Christian morality. If if didn't, atheists couldn't find a higher ground from which to moralize when others fall short.

"provocative billboards."

You mean the kind of billboards that are vandalized by good moral Christofascits? The kind of billboards that result in death thrats? Are you refering to those billboards?

"Vandalized by good Christofascists..."

I had thought no one knew who vandalized those billboards. My own thought is the culprits are juvenile delinquents of the younger sort, scoring a few points off juvenile delinquents of the older sort.

Wouldn't it be a kick in the pants if the vandals were atheists? These boards are there to garner attention, that can't be argued. Defacing them quadrupples the effect.

So, that would be ahtheofascists, then?

I know, I know....A Christian has in fact defaced those atheist billboards, but when caught states he didn't engage in destruction as a Christian, but for other reasons.

Further questioning then reveals he got this line of exculpating argument from atheist websites decoupling official Soviet atheism from mass murders.

"he got this line of exculpating argument from atheist websites decoupling official Soviet atheism from mass murders."

The shorter Zed: Atheists are murderers.

You're really a work, dude.

Much like atheist groups think when they put up provocative billboards.

How is "you can be good without god" provocative?

"Atheists are murderers...."

Well, some are. Or would you care to aruge otherwise?

"How is you can be good without God provocative...?"

I thought you it was you fellows wanted people just to keep quiet about their beliefs. Well, then---Keep quiet.

"Or would you care to argue otherwise....?"

Aruge is a town in belgium.

"Atheists are murderers...."

Well, some are. Or would you care to aruge otherwise?

Well, of course. And most murders in the U.S. are committed by people who call themselves Christians. Do you have a point?

"Well I see the persecution of the Christian ideology is proceeding full speed ahead."

In a thread about banning virtually everything except Christian ideology you say that the Christian ideology is being persecuted???
Was that a joke, a parody???
It must have been.

"Atheist morality usually mimics Christian morality."

Surely you don't believe that "morality" was invented with Christianity???
Please tell me you aren't that stupid. Please.

"Atheist morality usually mimics Christian morality."

Christian morality merely codifies what human societies learned by trial and error over millenia, i.e., murder, theft, etc., are not evolutionary advantageous to societies wishing to survive and prosper; hence, they are made taboo.

You have to give Christians credit for the sheer chutzpah to take credit for evolution, though.

"Murder, theft, etc. are not evolutionarily advantageous..."

Except when they are. The bottom line to evolution is always who gets to breed. That might involve good behavior, that might involve bad.

I understand 10% of all Mongols are descended for Genghis Khan. I wonder what percentage of contemporary Germans are descended from Russian rapists (1945)?

Evolution doesn't care. Interesting this isn't understood.

"You have to give Christians credit for sheer chutzpah taling credit for evolution, though...."

You fellows wander in the wilderness, understanding no one, most especially yourselves.

Who says it isn't understood, zed?

There's little room for human morality in SOME parts of the animal world.(and our world too, sadly) OTOH, some animals mate for life.

i.e., murder, theft, etc., are not evolutionary advantageous to societies wishing to survive and prosper; hence, they are made taboo.

I would agree that this is why cannibalism is taboo, however, we live in a country founded on genocide, nulli.

This is criminal and subversive. Govcorpco. has absolutely no authority here. The constitution quite clearly states this.
And there is the meat. Govcorpco., which would include taxpayer funded shools has NO authority to declare ANY religion as just, acceptable, truthful, morally superior or any other thing, all of which are an establishment of respect for a narrow religious beleif.
The school board should be arrested and face charges of subversive acts that willfully ignore the law set forth in that document. Conviction should carry life imprisonment.

Yes, these are high crimes. To fundamentally remove your rights to beleive and think what you wish.
This is classical judeo-christian persecution, under authority of law.

State sponsored terrorism.

"The school board should be arrested and face charges of subversive acts that willfully ignore the law set forth in that document. Conviction should carry life imprisonment."

I would expect somebody to initiate a lawsuit based on Constitutional grounds. Could be fascinating.

It is a direct assault on the constitution. By Govcorpco.
Even the mere mention of god, is such a violation, as it presumes the judeo-christian fraud.

Criminal and subversive.

Just like the 2 illegal, religious wars we are currently engaged in.

They hijacked the morals of just humans, just like the hijacked the scientific method from the sumerians and egyptians, which they beleived was faulty, and then used it to attempt to discredit the knowledge that it brought forth.

They failed on a massive scale.

I see Zed is out here confusing communism for atheism again.

Here's a quick one for you.....How many current wars in the world were started by atheists?

Then apply that same question to Islam and x-trianity.

The answer is sad and appalling.

LM

I thought you it was you fellows wanted people just to keep quiet about their beliefs. Well, then---Keep quiet.

Why do you attempt to deflect from such a simple question? What about the statement "you can be good without god" is offensive? The notion of "keeping quiet" about your beliefs is laughable and I don't recall anyone advocating it aside from a few intractable extremists and Zed's strawman. No one expects you not to speak your mind. They expect you to say something worth listening to when you do.

Awww, poor atheist wieners are butt hurt again, lol!

But I have to agree in general that the school board is wrong to do this. Kids shouldn't be in school surfing religious sites at all, they should be there learning and developing skills so that they can function in the work force.

Atheist morality usually mimics Christian morality.

Which mimics the morality (and fables)of religions pre-dating it.

It's turtles all the way down....

One of the social roles of religion is to foster a sense of community between like-minded individuals. Atheist organizations have put considerable effort into attempts into creating something analogous for the nonreligious. The billboards and bus ads do just that while taking care not to belittle any religion. The extent of their message is, "If you don't believe in god but want that churchy sense of community, go to our website and learn about our monthly outings for beer and bowling." It does say that you cannot be a good person or live a satisfying life unless you are an atheist. It is no different than the dozens of churches that post their worship times on the public access channel where I live.

These sorts of benign activities shouldn't bother anyone regardless of what group is behind them. The groups are looking after their own rather than assailing others. This is not true of many other activities by Christian organizations. Many of their ads carry a spiteful fire-and-brimstone message that belittles nonbelievers and is intended to convert through fear. Their only similarity to an atheist ad is that someone put it on a billboard. Worse, Christian advocacy groups routinely champion legislative attempts to impose religious edicts on the populace and force public institutions to give Christianity preferential treatment.

No religion is being "persecuted" when individuals speak out against the bigotry of its extremists. No religion is being "silenced" by when its superstitions are purged from the law.

Sure you can be good without God. Members of the SS could be good, as an example.

I'm sure you'd argue this with them. Problem is they had a coherent point of view concerning the nature of personal morality based on culture, history, philosophy, and of course Darwinism.

If you want to say you only meant atheists can be good in the sense they can act like observant Christians, I agree with that. You get into amusing territory at that point, though.

"I don't recall anyone advocating it (keeping quiet about one's beliefs)...."

I've been told this enough on these boards that, provided I got a nickel each time it was said, I could buy a cheesburger.

"It turtles on down...."

If you don't credit the existence of God, of course it does. Not a problem for me, of course. But non-believers always circle down the drain of their own convictions of social relativity at some point.

But I have to agree in general that the school board is wrong to do this. Kids shouldn't be in school surfing religious sites at all, they should be there learning and developing skills so that they can function in the work force.

The policy is foolish and will most likely be found unconstitutional if the case goes to court. Some individual or group at Indianapolis public schools evidently thinks that websites related to "alternative" belief systems are more detrimental to students than those pertaining to things more "mainstream". That's a fairly arbitrary distinction and while it may be fun to hear what the logic was behind it, you're absolutely right.

Unless you're doing research, there's no reason to visit religious sites of any kind. It's just one more distraction for students to contend with. Block 'em all and let the admin sort out the mess.

"Zed is out there confusing communism for atheism again...."

No. Zed is pointing out it's important for some to decouple atheism from communism. As you once again did.

Gee, I wonder how it was the two things were ever coupled in the first place? Maybe communists did it? Just a thought.

Unless you're doing research, there's no reason to visit religious sites of any kind. It's just one more distraction for students to contend with. Block 'em all and let the admin sort out the mess.

#42 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2009-11-16 11:45 AM

Hey ZED:

How does it feel to be the Moron of the day?

"How does it feel to be moron of the day....?"

Just sad I had to take the crown from you, DUMPLING. Wear the crown, be the crown; wear the crown, be the crown.....

Hmm... Russian Orthodox Christianity was the Official religion of communism.

German Christianity, with a Vatican Stamp of Approval, was the official religion of Hitler's Third Reich.
St. Basil's Cathedral is and Always has been in the center of RED SQUARE. It's still a Christian Church dude.

I wonder what kool-aid Zed is drinking?

Maybe he should put down his Flinstone's Creationsim Teaching Tools and pick up a real history book.

Moron detector on full...ZZWRT Point to Zed.

The only crown coming into the view-finder is a Crown Of Thorns.

Get off the Cross, Moron, we need the wood.

"Russian Orthodox Christianity was the offical religion of communism...."

I'm sure the communist Poles would object to that. The country was largely Roman Catholic.

Of Course they were. That's why the worst of the Concentration Camps were in poland, Killing JEWS moron!

"Russian Orthodox Christianity...."

Hmmmm. So the church in Russia wasn't persecuted by what most students of history (DUMPLING ever an exception) understand to have been an officially atheist regime?

"Killing Jews moron...."

Poland didn't exist as a state as that particular time....Oh, yes....I forgot....Moron.

"Get off the cross, we need the wood...."

I'm afraid to ask what for.

Hey Moron Zed:

If Jesus were alive during Hitler's Reign, Jesus would have been murdered for being a JEW.

What are you talking about? Poland was a fucking country during WWII!

"St Basil's Cathedral is and always been in the center of Red Square...."

It's been Red Square for how long? Hell, is it Red Square now? DUMPLING---That Moron crown---Here, take it, it's yours.

"Poland was afucking country in WWII...."

Poland was partitioned between the Germans and the Russians in 1939. Afterwards, the Germans annexed some of to the Reich and kept other parts as a special administrative unit.

Sept 1, 1939 Germany Invades Poland.

Yes, Darling---September 1, 1939, Germany did in fact invade Poland. Now, what happened after?

Tell that to the Polish people who still live in Poland to this day.

BTW: Elighten us all. Tell us how much fun it is to Worship a Dead Jew Boy?

"Jesus would have been murdered for being a Jew...."

By the Nazis? Maybe, but many had convinced themselves He wasn't a Jew at all. Hitler, from everything we can tell, just thought Christ was magic, and that His magic was transferrable. That's not Christianity, by the way.

Dumper to ZombieHunter,

Falling to your knees, clasping your hands together, bowing to your heavenly father...who is nothing more than a commoner jew peseant...

You soooo smart!

"Tell that to the Polish people who still live in Poland today...."

It's not the Polish state of 1939. Look at the boundaries. Better yet, look at the boundaries of Poland between late 1939 and 1945. Trick question of course. Poland she was not there.

"You so smart..."

Relative to the competition, of course.

Hey Jew-Lover...

The only competition you've got is between you and your colon shaped Brain.

Don't worry though...if you pray harder enough- your Jew-Boy might descend upon a magical cloud and make a miracle come true - straightening the whole thing out for you.

Can somebody please tell me why can't God be female? It's always He this and Him that.. Where does it say that God is male? I have met God and She most certainly is female..

"Can somebody please tell me why can't God be female? "

Freud explained that a long time ago.

Sure you can be good without God. Members of the SS could be good, as an example. Problem is they had a coherent point of view concerning the nature of personal morality based on culture, history, philosophy, and of course Darwinism.

There is a vast difference between a coherent point of view and an irrational ideology rationally engineered to appeal to people based on their common social identity, experiences, and insecurities. An inability or unwillingness to distinguish between the two underlies the allure of Nazism, Christianity, and any other highly ideological political or religious movement.

If you want to say you only meant atheists can be good in the sense they can act like observant Christians, I agree with that. You get into amusing territory at that point, though.

It is particularly amusing (though entirely predictable) that some continue to equate being a good person to living your life by selections from a book of 2000 year old campfire stories.

It is self-evident that religious belief is not required for ethical behavior. Attempts by apologists to "prove" otherwise are consistent failures built on misdirection and ad hoc fallacies. Some Christians are coming to this conclusion as well. Others remain in denial. Few of nonreligious are trying to force Christian supremacists to concede their self-proclaimed monopoly on benevolence, though. Zealots redefine reality at leisure to keep it compatible with dogma. No words will persuade someone that capable of self-delusion.

But non-believers always circle down the drain of their own convictions of social relativity at some point.

A little bit of projection there, Zed?

"Freud explained that a long time ago"

Was that an answer? LOL

Did Freud meet God while on the Earth? She never mentioned it to me..

Did Freud meet God while on the Earth?

Yes... while he was on a coke binge as a matter of fact.

So do they block access to sites discussing sharia law?

[By the way religions of judaics and therefore christian and islamic origins, ALL those WEIRD three at least, have the same origin of a magic sky fair (god)]. And all have perspective of the following:

Sharia Law dictates that:

* adulterers should be stoned to death
* 9-year-old virgins can be married off without their consent to older men
* abuse in not a valid reason for divorce
* women cannot get a divorce without the husband's consent
* sons inherit twice as much as daughters
* homosexuals should be stoned to death

Ummm. Sorry, but atheists aren't into those kinds of "Alternative Spirituality"

Religious leaders and money lenders are above reproach in this society. This is not just connected, but cause and effect. Goldman-Sachs's CEO, Blankfein, claims to be doing God's work, while robbing everyone blind. A persistent marker of human civilization.

Can somebody please tell me why can't God be female? It's always He this and Him that.. Where does it say that God is male? I have met God and She most certainly is female..

#67 | Posted by Godisfemale at 2009-11-16 12:31 PM

Why does everyone call a boat "she" or "her"? Has anyone actually bothered to look underneath?

If God were female we'd have a great flood once a month.

Though the worst part would come before the flood...

Though the worst part would come before the flood...

#76 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2009-11-16 02:35 PM

Nevermind the parting of the Red Sea.

Ugh... or the 10 plagues.

Of all the wars raging out there, and yes there are many, how many were started by atheist and how many were started by believers??

Second time I have posted it, I guess the answer really scares some of you!!

LM

Of all the wars raging out there, and yes there are many, how many were started by atheist and how many were started by believers??

Second time I have posted it, I guess the answer really scares some of you!!

LM

#79 | Posted by Liberal_Mongrel at 2009-11-16 04:22 PM

Closet Atheists start wars using true believers to kill eachother, in hopes of making tons of money. Acting like you care about those who died is critical to keeping the charade going.

"Can somebody please tell me why can't God be female? It's always He this and Him that.. Where does it say that God is male? I have met God and She most certainly is female.."
#67 | Posted by Godisfemale at 2009-11-16 12:31 PM | Reply

Well, logically, if God were female, then She would have made it that the men would do the childbirth. Wouldn't you?

Men would also be attracted to women for their personalities, if God were female that is.

Men would cry at Lifetime movies if god were female.

Men would leave the toilet seat down if god were female.

I leave the toilet seat down anyway, because I'm the one most likely to sit right in the bowl if I leave it up, when I have to take a shit.

I leave the toilet seat down anyway, because I'm the one most likely to sit right in the bowl if I leave it up, when I have to take a shit.

Before you take a shit, you absolutely must do two things. Check the TP status and make sure the seat is down and clean. Forgetting to do either can have unfortunate consequences.

I like to have a moment of reflection right before as well. I don't know about you, but poop chills make me kind of thoughtful and introspective.

Fine by me. Government needs religion about as much as I need an asshole on my elbow.

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Religion is what keeps the poor from killing the rich
~ Napoleon

So, yeah, they may need religion to a degree...

"I wish this had happened in Texas so I could whine about it"

Dulli "where's my bong" fidian

Dulli "where's my bong" fidian

Hey goat you need to hate the stoner, not the weed.

um, many schools block christian prayer.

So what? Let them do what they want to do, it is their death.

Government doesn't need religion, we have enough shysters already in government.

Separation of church and state was developed because of the RELIGIOUS CROOKS that ran the governments for hundreds of years.

George Wahington knew all about the Jacobins and the european bluebloods who ran europe for centuries. They killed anyone that didn't agree the world wasn't flat.

um, many schools block christian prayer.

So what? Let them do what they want to do, it is their death.

GIVE UNTO CAESAR THAT WHICH IS CAESAR YOU ASSHOLE!

It is so funny how if you study history, you find in the reformation movement one of the primary motivators for people falling away from the Roman Catholic church was the fact that the church was too powerful, it had its hand in government everywhere.

Yet these evangelical/fundo's keep trying to insert faith back into the public government arena.

how many schools block christian prayer

All of them. There's this thing called the first amendment. You should read it sometime.

Only those who have not touched themselves could pontificate about religion! Otherwise, stop the religious subjugation BS! :(

"how many schools block christian prayer
All of them. There's this thing called the first amendment. You should read it sometime."

Yeah, I didn't get that either. Prayer cannot be supervised or directed inside a school by employees of the school system. At the same time, the idea that schools forbid prayer is BS. Any student who wants to pray is free to pray, and can even create a Bible (or Koran or Talmud) study group. I would even make my room available. And I'm a friggin' atheist.

If you want prayer, attend private schools!

Separation of church & state is clear and simple. Why muck it up with our own colored glasses!

Only those who have not touched themselves could pontificate about religion! Otherwise, stop the religious subjugation BS! :(

I keep searching the Constitution for "Separation of church and state" and I cant find it.. Is it in the "living, breathing, evolving document" section?

If you have touched yourself, is it necessary to search for "Separation of church and state" documents?

As said, only those who have not touched themselves should/could pontificate about religion! Otherwise, stop the religious subjugation BS!

You can bet that those Vatican folks, Boston child-loving priests, Buddhists, etc. touch themselves as much as you & I do! Besides subjugating others, what do we solve by being hypocrites in the name of religion? :(

I touch myself.

"I keep searching the Constitution for "Separation of church and state" and I cant find it.. Is it in the "living, breathing, evolving document" section?"

It's an outgrowth of the first amendment: "Congress shall make no laws respecting an establishment of religion."

And regarding your second issue, living breathing document, it's not so much that as an interpretable document. It's pretty much why we have the SCOTUS. Just look at what I quoted above. Seems to me one can read that in at least two ways. And that's without precedent, case law, or intent--purely linguistically.