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Monday, November 16, 2009

When President Obama visited China for the first time Sunday, he in many ways assumed the role of profligate spender coming to pay his respects to his banker. That stark fact China is the largest foreign lender to the United States has changed the core of the relationship between the United States and the only country with a reasonable chance of challenging its status as the world's sole superpower.

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More of the Bush Administration's legacy. 9/11 afforded the perfect opportunity to remind Americans of the costs we pay for relying on mid-East oil, and usher in an era of conservation and investment in alternative energy sources.

Instead, they lied about WMD, fired the State Department officials who warned that we couldn't win in Iraq, and mortgaged our economy to the Chinese.

I'm far from Obama's biggest fan, but anyone who criticizes him for kowtowing to China had to have been sleeping through the Bush years.

I'm far from Obama's biggest fan, but anyone who criticizes him for kowtowing to China had to have been sleeping through the Bush years.

What does Bush have to do with Obama's China policy? Is Obama so politically that he cannot form his own foreign policies and must stick to the former ones?

Is Obama so politically that he cannot form his own foreign policies and must stick to the former ones? -- #2 | Posted by goatman

And how do you propose to get out from under China's thumb? That is, with what money is Obama supposed to repay the debt Bush racked up?

And how do you propose to get out from under China's thumb?

I have no idea. That is why I never ran for president. We elected Obama to fix these messes, not to assign the obvious blame and do nothing. If he wasn't up to the task, he should never have thrown his hat into the ring.

"The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them."

-- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

If he wasn't up to the task, he should never have thrown his hat into the ring. -- #4 | Posted by goatman

NO ONE was up to the task of fixing Bush's messes in 4 years, Goat.

NO ONE was up to the task of fixing Bush's messes in 4 years, Goat.

I'm not so sure. The American economy, though currently ill, is very resilient. It takes the right leadership to guide it out of its troubles. The right leaders doing the right things would be able to pull it off.

At any rate, it makes Obama look weak when he keeps playing the blame game. Even if he can't fix things, he should stop blaming others. We all know he inherited shit. We all know who caused it. To keep repeating it makes Obama ineffective. People are sick of excuses and blame

People are sick of excuses and blame

Amen

All I really want is things back on track so I can have hope for my kids future. I am having to struggle to have half the standard of living of my parents I do not want that for my kids. However with wages stagnet while core inflation rises I don't see how my kids will ever do as well as me let alone as well as my parents. I mean college grads are getting jobs at starbucks so all the savings I have for college will be wasted if they wind up working for walmart.

"China told Mr. Obama that the US had better pay back some of its debt before destroying its (and China's) economy."

"President Obama and other world leaders have decided to put off the difficult task of reaching a climate change agreement..... agreement that would put the most difficult issues into the future."

sweetness-light.com

That last line has Obama written all over it!

In an unrelated story:

"Obama urges Congress to put off Fort Hood probe"

www.google.com

Yes, there is a pattern here.

"Obama urges Congress to put off Fort Hood probe"

"...until federal law enforcement and military authorities have completed their probes"

Let's at least add the salient part.

Obama gonna find out what head of state really means.

"Obama urges Congress to put off Fort Hood probe"

Real meaning: Shut the fuck up, Joe Lieberman you self-serving hypocrite!

"Obama urges Congress to put off Fort Hood probe"

Real meaning: Shut the fuck up, Joe Lieberman you self-serving hypocrite!

#13 | Posted by sitdown

What's the difference. Even if it is terrorism Dems will just blame Bush.

Even if it is terrorism Dems will just blame Bush

- that may be because Bush totally mangled the term "terrorism", or as he put it, "turrrism". It's a convenient catch-phrase without much meaning.

We've become like a bum that hassles people in a busy market. "Spare some change? I need some change. You got some extra change?"

We may need to be nice to our banker but don't they need to be nice to their biggest customer???

And how do you propose to get out from under China's thumb? That is, with what money is Obama supposed to repay the debt Bush racked up?

#3 | Posted by Phoenix at 2009-11-15 12:54 PM

Well, he could propose significant tax increases to pay it down. Let me guess, that's not politically convenient enough.

"Let me guess, that's not politically convenient enough."

That is heresy in the Holy Church of Reagan.

'I have no idea. That is why I never ran for president. We elected Obama to fix these messes, not to assign the obvious blame and do nothing. If he wasn't up to the task, he should never have thrown his hat into the ring.'

#4 | Posted by goatman

No good ideas but good at complaining.

YOU voted for OBAMA? I don't think so...

What does Bush have to do with Obama's China policy?

So... are you seriously suggesting that The Bush Presidency has had no effect on American Foreign relationships and in particular the relationship between China and America?

Here's your sign.

As usual, you've got it backwards, libs. It's China that is on the hook, not us. All we need is one (more) crackpot president and a hysterical congress to vote that debt as invalid, and guess who's left holding worthless notes?

In the meantime, the bozo in chief is bowing again, embarrassing the USA to the rest of the world yet again.

'In the meantime, the bozo in chief is bowing again, embarrassing the USA to the rest of the world yet again.'

#22 | Posted by Dinsey

DISNEY? Sounds like a fantasy world you live in.

Bowing is a sign of respect - you should try it sometime.

People are sick of excuses and blame

Other than the ones that blame Clinton for 9-11, right?

Holy fuck - so THIS is the new face of the American right? First piss and moan continuously that everything that went wrong under the W admin was Clinton's (or Carter's or FDR's) fault, and now that their dud is out, the man who is in is responsible for EVERYTHING. It's like the world just began in January 2009. Amazing.

Hey losers on the right - W really fucked things up beyond reasonable hope. Please look at the record and let that sink in for while, ok? Please try to learn a lesson from the experience.

I have no idea. That is why I never ran for president. We elected Obama to fix these messes, not to assign the obvious blame and do nothing. If he wasn't up to the task, he should never have thrown his hat into the ring.

#4 | Posted by goatman at 2009-11-15 12:56 PM

speaks VOLUMES. Goat, you sound just like the "Libs" that Limbaugh chastises - "Please Mr. President, we are your children, you have to please look out for us and fix everything for us, because we're too weak and scared to do anything ourselves".

Pathetic.

"Somehow it seemed as though the farm had grown richer without making the animals themselves any richer except, of course, for the pigs and the dogs."

George Orwell-Animal Farm

The Pigs are the Bankers.

The Dogs are the Politicians such as Bush and Obama that gave them the "bail out" money

and the sheep, well.............

BTW: Divide and conquer is an old tactic.

We may need to be nice to our banker but don't they need to be nice to their biggest customer??? -- #17 | Posted by danni

That's the several-trillion $ question -- who needs whom more?

In the short run, China is in the same boat we are because they need our markets AND because if the dollar tanks, THEY lose a ton of money (since a lot of their reserves are in $ and they're holding a lot of treasury notes).

Over the long haul, though, they can do a lot. They've been making noise about replacing the dollar as the international reserve currency -- www.chinadaily.com.cn -- a move that would cost us a LOT over an extended period of time.

speaks VOLUMES. Goat, you sound just like the "Libs" that Limbaugh chastises - "Please Mr. President, we are your children, you have to please look out for us and fix everything for us, because we're too weak and scared to do anything ourselves".

Pathetic.

You find my honesty in admitting I don't know what it will take to fix the problems we face pathtic? I find it pathetic when the people who don't know how to fix the problems pretend that they do and talk shit.

I guess we are different in that respect. I prefer honesty, you prefer BS.

No good ideas but good at complaining.

You've never complained about things you can't fix? LOL I doubt that seriously.

YOU voted for OBAMA?

Fuck no!

I don't think so...

You are correct.

"Over the long haul, though, they can do a lot."

Agreed and it underscores the need to do somthing now to bring back jobs and pay off debt. If it takes higher taxes it would still be in the best interests of all of us, including the rich who would bare the brunt of it, to do it now before it is too late.

'YOU voted for OBAMA?

Fuck no!

I don't think so...

You are correct.'

#29 | Posted by goatman

THEN STFU ASSWIPE!

THEN STFU ASSWIPE!

OK. I will when you and all your leftie friends stop bitching about the right wingers they didn't vote for.

Deal?

I didn't think so. LOL

Why do some people expect others to play by different rules than they themselves play by?

China's concern isn't on the accumulated debt, but rather on the debt to come. That's why they're are concerned about the cost of Obamacare. And that has nothing to do with Bush.

You libbies should just quit pretending that you care about the deficit. It was a temporary thing, to get you through the 2006 elections. Since then, you've been on a budget-busting orgy.

China's concern isn't on the accumulated debt, but rather on the debt to come. That's why they're are concerned about the cost of Obamacare. And that has nothing to do with Bush. -- #34 | Posted by rightisright

Do you really believe they'd give a damn about future U.S. budgets if they didn't have implications for the value of the U.S. assets they hold??

You libbies should just quit pretending that you care about the deficit. It was a temporary thing, to get you through the 2006 elections. Since then, you've been on a budget-busting orgy. -- #34 | Posted by rightisright

Ahem. Under the last Dem president, we paid it off. Under the last 3 Republican presidents, it has skyrocketed.

. Under the last Dem president, we paid it off. Under the last 3 Republican presidents, it has skyrocketed.

Good for the last dem president and shame on the current one, then.

I guess deflection to the unchangeable history of previous presidents is still a good excuse for Obama's spending spree for some.

Sure it is. Phoenix is just another Obama apologist. He can do no wrong.

"You libbies should just quit pretending that you care about the deficit."

Yeah it was us who passed tax cuts for the rich right after we started two wars.

"China's concern isn't on the accumulated debt, but rather on the debt to come."

If we didn't have so much accumulated debt we wouldn't need to borrow so much in the first place and secondly neither the Chinese or anyone else would be very worried about us borrowing to stimulate the economy during a recession.

INterest on debt for 2009: $383,363,826,680.60

obama talking deficit reduction,china must have took his ass to the wood shed.

#37 | Posted by goatman at 2009-11-16 05:40 PM
***"I guess deflection to the unchangeable history of previous presidents is still a good excuse for Obama's spending spree for some"

Don't you think that it's a little disingenuous to disregard the obstacles left behind by the previous Administration's eight year long debacle, while in the same breath demonizing the current administration for not being able to clean up their mess fast enough? In this economic climate? With the blatant obstructionism of the Republican leadership, and the psychotic ranting of their followers???

I think that Obama is doing a fairly good job under extremely difficult circumstances, not to mention the intentional defeatism and constant maligning from the Right that he has had to deal with from day one...

china will soon be forgotten when the gitmo circus comes to town,a liberals dream come true at least 2 years of america and bush bashing,let the trials begin.

I think Bush's apologozing twice to the chi-coms when they skyjacked that spyplane in 2001 and then paying them for their inconvenience was pretty nice. An absolutely cowardly move, but nice. Like sending all those saudi terrorists home on charter flights after 9-11.

LOL

Q: Why is Obama fucking up?

A: Bush, Bush, Bush

Q: Why did Obama do this?

A: Bush, Bush, Bush

Q: Why isn't Obama keeping his promises?

A: Bush, Bush, Bush

Phoenix is just another Obama apologist. -- #38 | Posted by rightisright

Weak deflection -- I'm usually getting bashed for criticizing Obama.

You didn't answer the question: do you really think the Chinese would care about future U.S. deficits if they weren't already awash in treasury notes and U.S. currency?

Q: Why isn't Obama keeping his promises?

A: Bush, Bush, Bush -- #44 | Posted by goatman

That's right. And either he had no idea what he was talking about when he made those promises, or he was willing to say anything to get elected. My guess is that both are at least partly true.

We may need to be nice to our banker but don't they need to be nice to their biggest customer???

#17 | Posted by danni at 2009-11-16 02:23 PM | Reply |

The term "in bed together" is most apt.

or

"The US has shacked up with a cheap chinese hooker and is asking for her hand in marriage...."

The later description I find more amusing.

Phoenix And Goatman.... your posts represent some of the most worthless posts I've seen yet. LOL.

Cmon guys find a ring and fight in it already!.

Q: Why isn't Obama keeping his promises?

Health care reform, the auto bail out, an actual plan for afghanistan, middle class tax cuts.

Yeah nothing happened in the last 9 months. I expect you'll miss the Iraq withdrawl and the re regulation of the financial markets when they happen. Must not get anything but FOX out on the rig.

Phoenix And Goatman.... your posts represent some of the most worthless posts I've seen yet. -- #48 | Posted by KnightHawk

No worries. You beat us with that one.

Health care reform,

When did that happen?

the auto bail out

bail outs are something to brag about?

an actual plan for afghanistan

A plan! WOW!

middle class tax cuts

When?

Must not get anything but FOX out on the rig.

I think that is one of the 80 channels we get. I don't watch that much TV so I'm not sure.

The Chinese are lecturing Obama on healthcare and the subsequent increase in our deficits. The Chinese are a heck of a lot smarter then our congress and Obama. I will guarantee you this: if Pelosi gets her way on healthcare, this country is done, finished. The way you get this country back on track is to deep six cap/trade and healthcare reform unless it is real healthcare reform. Then, every year you keep spending below GDP. You'll also need targetted tax increases along with increased marginal tax rates on high incomes. You go to the American people and lay out a 10 year plan and tell them it'll take at least that long to turn things around.

You'll also need targetted tax increases along with increased marginal tax rates on high incomes.

No you don't.

You're not going to get anywhere taxing the only people capable of producing wealth, jobs, etc.

You're already seeing the lingering effects of that mentality manifesting itself in this artificially slowed recovery.

Nobody wants to do shit with capital until this little dumbass child in the White House is provided with some adult supervision.

In the mean time, everyone is hunkered down and waiting.

What we need is a promise of a federal government overhaul. Abolish the Dept. of Education. Abolish the USDA. There's no reason for these entities to exist---they perform functions states should be performing.

Other federal departments need to be consolidated and streamlined.

Most importantly, instead of worrying about queers being "married", we need to focus our efforts on a Constitutional Amendment that caps the number of federal government employees at a certain percentage of the eligible workforce.

If we can get something like that passed and codified into an Amendment, it will make the job of preserving the American way of life a lot easier for our kids.

By the time 2012 rolls around, I guarantee you something like that is gonna hold an awful lot of appeal to an awful lot of folks.

This little sack of shit Marxist wannabe is opening up a lot of possibilities if we can just hang on a little longer. Let him do his thing, try to minimize the damage he's doing to the country, and then try to take every advantage of the opportunities we're going to be given as a result of the backlash he's creating.

I agree with a lot of what you say, however, I own a small business and would gladly pay a little more of my income if I do well as long as there are no new programs and bureaucracies (cap/trade& Pelosi healhcare) and spending is capped below GDP. The thing I would avoid is any new taxes on the middle class.

#53 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao at 2009-11-16 10:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

The essence of your argument I can agree with. Healthcare, education, and on and on the federal government would do better getting the fuck out of it, and letting the states fulfill what is really their roll. Its a very old and solid argument that goes back to the time of the countries formation. And it was decided then that the states would have in essence the ultimate authority. And thru the course of thousands of pieces of legislation things have changed.

But your aim on whos to blame couldn't be worse.

The essence of your argument I can agree with.

My argument has no bodily fluids.

ok #41 please explain what he has accomplished

To me, the argument of who to blame is counter productive.....the fact is, we're in a bind and the current President, regardless of party affiliation, is the one who convinced the population that he had the answers and could fix the problems...

All we've seen since he's been in office is increased spending with the health care reforms and the bailouts of corporations, literally rewarding incompetence and greed and assuring us that it was necessary because they were too big to fail. For what? Freeing up credit that in spite of the assurances, is still hard to come by for qualified borrowers?

Now, one side of the face is saying the recession is over, the other is saying that more bailout funds may be needed needed next year and that we may be in for a double dip recession.

Stocks are going up, sure, but so is unemployment. So the age old "Rich are getting richer and the Poor are getting poorer" saying is in full effect.

Seriously, it's not comforting to hear that.

I don't expect that the problems be resolved overnight, but I DO expect plans (NOT pipe dreams) on how to resolve the issues and a general idea of a time-line of when we can expect results.

Close to 1/4 of the 1st term is up and the only result I've seen is that the deficit has risen and seems destined to climb even higher and the threat of fines and criminalization if we don't buy health-care which will likely deny whatever ailment you have.

Again, I personally don't care who started what, I just care about what's going to be done about it and from what I've seen, that amounts to fuckall.

Loh

We elected Obama to fix these messes, not to assign the obvious blame and do nothing. If he wasn't up to the task, he should never have thrown his hat into the ring.

#4 | Posted by goatman

YOU voted for OBAMA?

Fuck no!

I don't think so...

You are correct.

#29 | Posted by goatman

Why do some people expect others to play by different rules than they themselves play by?

#33 | Posted by goatman

YOU said WE voted for Obama.

THEN YOU said you DID NOT vote for Obama.

WOW YOU SURE ARE ONE CORNFUSED INDIVIDUAL!

you have NO STANDING WHATSOEVER to start claiming WE VOTED FOR OBAMA to do THIS, or WE VOTED FOR OBAMA TO DO THAT!

YOU

DID

NOT

VOTE

OBAMA

and thus you have NO RIGHT TO START TO MAKE demands on what his agenda is going to be or should be!

Do you GET IT YET dumbass?

BAAAAA bAAAA baaaa go eat some grass goatman

Interesting stance, calling someone a dumbass for questioning an elected official just because they didnt vote for that person.

Loh

Read the thread and then run your mouth.

If someone says WE VOTED for you to do this and WE VOTED for you to do that BUT they never actually voted for the person makes the outrage a bit false.

Sounds more like semantics and word parsing to me....

we = united states, not "we" as in you, me, or him.

Blind faith in one party over another ignores the fact that both are fucked up and totally out of touch with reality....so picking a side based on party affiliation seems naive....what someone like you would consider "dumbass"

Regardless of who voted for who, the fact remains, Obama's the person elected and his platform was hope and change and assured everyone he had the answers.

The fact that hope is fading and the changes have the apparent effect of digging our hole deeper, makes anyone with an opinion legitimately able to question him.

If he was creating change for the better and increasing hope, I'd agree with you in you're comments, but for you to call someone a "dumbass" for voicing a valid opinion, especially based on your interpretation of "we" in a comment, seems a bit childish don't you think?

Loh

"your comments too"

....forgot to change it in the preview, my bad

:)

'Regardless of who voted for who, the fact remains, Obama's the person elected and his platform was hope and change and assured everyone he had the answers.'

#62 | Posted by Lohocla

People who did not vote for Obama and decried his policies have NO BUSINESS proclaiming they are the VOICE to propose what his agenda actions should be.

If he [Obama?]was creating change for the better and increasing hope, I'd agree with you in you're comments...

Does it really matter WHAT actions Obama is taking? The Goats comments are still BS no matter what Obama does.

And the fact that he's got a valid point just totally escapes you?

So focused on your tree that you can't see the forest?

Loh

Does it really matter WHAT actions Obama is taking? The Goats comments are still BS no matter what Obama does.

IOW, you are a hypocrite. You tell me I can't criticize Obama since I didn't vote for him, but apparently you see no problem with you and your leftie friends criticizing republicans they didn't vote for.

Why the double standard, hypocrite? You just can't bear to see anyone be critical of the Messiah?

Deal with it and stop being a hypocritical fool.

Also, re-reading what goatman said, didnt seem to be saying anything other than

"Do your fucking job Mr. Obama" and honestly, how's that bullshit?

YOU

DID

NOT

VOTE

OBAMA

and thus you have NO RIGHT TO START TO MAKE demands on what his agenda is going to be or should be!

Do you GET IT YET dumbass?

I already told you that I would stop criticizing people I didn't vote for when you and your leftie friends stop criticizing republicans they didn't vote for. I don't do double standards, hypocrite.

Do you GET IT YET?

LOL

'Do you GET IT YET?'

LOL

#68 | Posted by goatman

OBVIOUSLY you don't get it so why bother trying.

You did not vote in Obama and you have no right to say WE voted in Obama because of this or that.

Since you have NO IDEA WHY anyone voted for Obama what gives you the right to start defining the agenda and mis represent administration positions?

BAAAA BAAAA

You did not vote in Obama and you have no right to say WE voted in Obama because of this or that.

I have every right. He is the president of the country I live in. Just because I didn't votefor him doesn't take away my right to be critical of him. Deal with it.

When you get your lefie friends to adhere to that 'rule' vis-a-vis Bush and other republicans, then I will too.

I don't do double standards, hypocrite.

Be critical if you wish but you do not represent the VOTERS who elected Obama and you cant get away with representing as such.

Both the Rs and Ds are responsible for the irresponsible actions of our own government that has enabled China and decimated the USA manufacturing that has resulted in this situation. Both Parties are as guilty as the other and they are both in collusion with Wall Street and the Business Roundtable that have acted against the interests of the US people.

We're a debtor nation that will soon become a pawn of China and other Asian countries all because of the treasonous actions of our own government leaders. There can be no other reason that our nation has fallen from its graces.

We are a debtor nation because the citizens do not save their money and spend what they don't have.

Who is going into Wal Mart and buying all this cheep crap from China?

You can blame the leaders all you wish but the citizens take some responsibility for this as well.

When the people lead the leaders follow. Stop getting so many credit cards. Remember a little economic concept that made this county great - its called THRIFT AND SAVE.

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