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Doctors in Iraq's war-ravaged enclave of Falluja are dealing with up to 15 times as many chronic deformities in infants and a spike in early life cancers that may be linked to toxic materials left over from the fighting. The extraordinary rise in birth defects has crystallised over recent months as specialists working in Falluja's over-stretched health system have started compiling detailed clinical records of all babies born. Neurologists and obstetricians in the city interviewed by the Guardian say the rise in birth defects which include a baby born with two heads, babies with multiple tumours, and others with nervous system problems -- are unprecedented and at present unexplainable.

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"Thanks" Bushites for Your support in an Illegal War of Aggression. Sighhhhhhhhhhhh Our Good name tarnished forever Thanks to Dubya and His supporters.

Larry

Our Good name tarnished forever

That's a thought Larry,but we've been tarnished long before Bush.war of aqgression=america.ask teddy roosevelt

There's enough Dubya stink to go around.

America got it own daily dose for 8 years. I have a feeling that Iraq will get itself squared away long before America eradicates the smell.

TWINPUKE

Bush hating is so passe....BHO is far more hateable.

GREATAMERICAN

You're so wrong. I don't hate George Bush.

I don't even use the word "hate."

Actually, I feel sorry for the loathsome creature.

OTOH, he walks on two legs and talks (just barely) and every pore in his body oozes stupidity, I'd still like very much to buy him for what he's worth and sell him for what he thinks he's worth.

How's that? Better?

Oh, the irony in america using WMD in Iraq.

I'd like to see the death toll credited to S.H. and the toll credited to GWB.

we went because of two things:

1. WMDs ....

oh no wait there are none....

2. he gased the curds....

GWB rawks!

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

Now there's a shocker.

Islamic terrorists fault.

All the woes of the arabs fall upon the rogue islamic arm of islam.

Get it through your fucking dense skulls.

rwd

i am willing to bet the people slamming bush can't name any weapons we used that would have caused this. yet i recall sadaam using several types of gasses. i also remember several stockpiles of various rounds unearthed (buried by sadaam) that has several types of chemical weapons from a decade or two ago. if anything this shows bush was right. sadaam in fact did have chemical weapons which he had no problems using.

"i am willing to bet the people slamming bush can't name any weapons we used that would have caused this."

How much?

"The U.S. military confirmed yesterday that it used artillery rounds containing white phosphorus against insurgents during the assault on Fallujah last November"

www.washingtonpost.com

"i also remember several stockpiles of various rounds unearthed (buried by sadaam) that has several types of chemical weapons from a decade or two ago."

But those weren't the WMDs we went in for. And it's tough calling them WMD, when there was no "M" and no "D". If you opened one of those shells, and smeared the chemicals on someone's leg, you'd leave a nasty burn. Hardly a Weapon of Mass Destruction.

"if anything this shows bush was right. sadaam in fact did have chemical weapons which he had no problems using."

We knew that beforehand. We sold them the munitions.

Most likely because of depleted uranium, the liberation that keeps on liberating.

The U.S. Army acknowledges the hazards in a training manual, in which it requires that anyone who comes within 25 meters of any DU-contaminated equipment or terrain wear respiratory and skin protection, and states that "contamination will make food and water unsafe for consumption."

Just six months before the Gulf War, the Army released a report on DU predicting that large amounts of DU dust could be inhaled by soldiers and civilians during and after combat.

Infantry were identified as potentially receiving the highest exposures, and the expected health outcomes included cancers and kidney problems.

The report also warned that public knowledge of the health and environmental effects of depleted uranium could lead to efforts to ban DU munitions.

But today the Pentagon plays down the effects. Officials refer queries on DU munitions to the latest government report on the subject, last updated on Dec. 13, 2000, which said DU is "40 percent less radioactive than natural uranium."

Of the 696,778 troops who served during the recognized conflict phase (1990-1991) of the Gulf War, at least 20,6861 have applied for VA medical benefits. As of May 2002, 159,238 veterans have been awarded service-connected disability by the Department of Veterans Affairs for health effects collectively known as the Gulf War Syndrome.

Dr. Doug Rokke was an Army health physicist assigned in 1991 to the command staff of the 12th Preventive Medicine Command and 3rd U.S. Army Medical Command headquarters. Rokke was recalled to active duty 20 years after serving in Vietnam, from his research job with the University of Illinois Physics Department, and sent to the Gulf to take charge of the DU cleanup operation.

Today, in poor health, he has become an outspoken opponent of the use of DU munitions.

"DU is the stuff of nightmares," said Rokke, who said he has reactive airway disease, neurological damage, cataracts and kidney problems, and receives a 40 percent disability payment from the government. He blames his health problems on exposure to DU.

Rokke and his primary team of about 100 performed their cleanup task without any specialized training or protective gear. Today, Rokke said, at least 30 members of the team are dead, and most of the others -- including Rokke -- have serious health problems.

Rokke said: "Verified adverse health effects from personal experience, physicians and from personal reports from individuals with known DU exposures include reactive airway disease, neurological abnormalities, kidney stones and chronic kidney pain, rashes, vision degradation and night vision losses, lymphoma, various forms of skin and organ cancer, neuropsychological disorders, uranium in semen, sexual dysfunction and birth defects in offspring.

"This whole thing is a crime against God and humanity."

Iraqi cancers, birth defects blamed on U.S. depleted uranium

Verified adverse health effects from personal experience, physicians and from personal reports from individuals with known DU exposures include reactive airway disease, neurological abnormalities, kidney stones and chronic kidney pain, rashes, vision degradation and night vision losses, lymphoma, various forms of skin and organ cancer, neuropsychological disorders, uranium in semen, sexual dysfunction and birth defects in offspring.

Depleted uranium munitions will make you shoot radioactive loads?

"i am willing to bet the people slamming bush can't name any weapons we used that would have caused this."

Don't you really just wish there was a way to erase posts you already made???

White phosphorus toxicity in the human body causes bone tumors not multiple heads. Right, blame it on the US. Israel has used white phosphorus in their battles for years and there are no stats on these types of birth defects in Palestinian held territories. White phos does the most damage to ground water drinking sources when used as fertilizer and pesticide or when utilized over large bodies of water; where is create massive aquatic kills.

Iraq's infrastructure sucked under Sadam's rule...let's put the blame where it really lies. US is not responsible for birth defects from white phos used over dry land. Somebody is looking for a deep pocket. Didn't anyone tell these doc's that we don't have that anymore?

Remember, Sadam was really liberal with his use of chems...5000 dead from mustard gas in the north...I sincerely doubt he ran an ecologically sound infrastructure.

All the woes of the arabs fall upon the rogue islamic arm of islam.

too bad there wasn't even an islamic fingernail in Iraq until Bush asked them to "bring it on."

Reality and the right....

Islamic terrorists fault.
All the woes of the arabs fall upon the rogue islamic arm of islam.
Get it through your fucking dense skulls.
rwd

#10 | POSTED BY RIGHTWINGDON AT 2009-11-15 01:36 PM

Please explain just how Iraq is the result of Islamic Terrorist.

Try if you can without looking like too much of a retard.

i am willing to bet the people slamming bush can't name any weapons we used that would have caused this.

White phosphorous.

Depleted Uranium.

Those are two.

Sadam was really liberal with his use of chems...5000 dead from mustard gas in the north...I sincerely doubt he ran an ecologically sound infrastructure.

#17 | POSTED BY UPL8 AT 2009-11-15 02:47 PM | REPLY |

Well then a logical assumption that birth defects to DECREASE after he was removed from power would be happening.

Spent Uranium dust will haunt this nation for centuries.

Depleted uranium munitions will make you shoot radioactive loads?

#15 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2009-11-15 02:41 PM | Reply |

Personally I would say,

"Nuclear Powered Loads"

Huge rise in birth defects in Falluja

You know what. I just don't give a shit. This is a culture that blows up their own children in the name of their god and murders their daughters for their family "honor".

"I just don't give a shit..."

Succinct expression of your culture. Nice.

Falluja Suffers Spike in Birth Defects

Maybe next time the citizens will side with the valiant American forces rather that with the Muslim jihadists who had taken over their fair city.

It would have served them far better in the long run....
.

"It would have served them far better in the long run....."

They would also have benefitted from George W. Bush securing legal radioactive isotopes in Iraq before they were looted.

Interesting lack of sympathy for babies on this thread. Anyone want to identify themselves as pro-life here?

This is a culture that blows up their own children in the name of their god and murders their daughters for their family "honor".

#24 | Posted by Redman at 2009-11-15 04:34 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
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We killed more than S.H. could ever do in a good decade....and we're liberatirs? Don't answer that....

"and we're liberatirs?(sic) Don't answer that...."

OK

You would think the Bushites would be here celebrating their monumental travisty that they wrought upon the people in Iraq. You would think they would be bringing the champaigne and caviar to this shindig. Why no Bushite on here chearing for the disgrace that they have wrought upon this great nation of ours??? Where are You Bushites that supported this Illegal War of Aggression in Iraq?? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Larry

yet i recall sadaam using several types of gasses. i also remember several stockpiles of various rounds unearthed (buried by sadaam) that has several types of chemical weapons from a decade or two ago. if anything this shows bush was right. sadaam in fact did have chemical weapons which he had no problems using.

#11 | Posted by sendeth at 2009-11-15 01:44 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
e

And just where do you suggest he got them??? You think Iraq/Iran war? Who do you think may have given them to the clown? us? no? How the fuck do you tink we were so sure he had wmds??? wake the fuck up dumbass...he was an ally when we wanted him to kick the Iranian's ass....

On June 16, only two months after our initial contact with our two New Orleans representatives, Louisiana became the first state in the nation to pass a bill to give to all military veterans returning from Operations Enduring Freedom and Iraqi Freedom the right to be tested for depleted uranium contamination. The bill received unanimous bipartisan support, and Governor Kathleen Babineaux Blanco signed it into law on June 16.

www.vvaw.org

vvaw.org is the same group who fought for PTSD and Agent Orange testing and treatment.

The extent of the adverse health and environmental effects of uranium weapons contamination is not limited to combat zones but includes facilities and sites where uranium weapons were manufactured or tested, including Vieques; Puerto Rico; Colonie, New York; Concord, Mass.; Jefferson Proving Grounds, Indiana; and Schofield Barracks, Hawaii. Therefore, medical care must be provided by the United States Department of Defense to all individuals affected by the manufacturing, testing, or use of uranium munitions. Thorough environmental remediation also must be completed without further delay.

I am amazed that fifteen years after was I asked to clean up the initial DU mess from Gulf War I, and over ten years since I finished the depleted-uranium project, US Department of Defense officials and others still attempt to justify the use of uranium munitions while ignoring mandatory requirements. I am dismayed that DOD and Department of Energy officials and representatives continue making personal attacks aimed to silence or discredit those of us who are demanding that medical care be provided to all DU casualties and that environmental remediation is completed in compliance with US Army Regulation 700-48. But beyond the ignored mandatory actions, the willful dispersal of tons of solid radioactive and chemically toxic waste in the form of uranium munitions is illegal and does not even pass the test of common sense.

According to the US Department of Homeland Security (DHS), DU is a "dirty bomb." The department issued "dirty bomb" response guidelines on January 3, 2006 for incidents within the United States, ignoring DOD use of uranium weapons and existing DOD regulations. These guidelines specifically state that "a radiological incident is defined as an event or series of events, deliberate or accidental, leading to the release, or potential release, into the environment of radioactive material in sufficient quantity to warrant consideration of protective actions. Use of an RDD or IND is an act of terror that produces a radiological incident." Thus, the use of uranium munitions is an "act or terror," as defined by DHS. Finally, continued compliance with the infamous March 1991 Los Alamos memorandum that was issued to ensure continued use of uranium munitions cannot be justified.

www.vvaw.org

Parker, who first raised the DU issue in the United Nations in 1996, contends that DU "violates the existing law and customs of war."

Interesting.

So Bill Clinton went ahead and used them anyway when he was trying to deflect the nation from his impeachment woes by bombing Bosnia?????

#34 So Bill Clinton went ahead and used them anyway....

Got a link for that?

"You're so wrong. I don't hate George Bush.
I don't even use the word "hate."
Actually, I feel sorry for the loathsome creature."
#5 | Posted by Twinpac

"[Middle English lothsome : loth, hateful"
www.answers.com

OK Truth, Larry, North, Nut and the rest of you "hate america First" crowd:

1985 The Iraq's chemical weapons programs secretly starts construction of a chlorine plant capable of producing the precursors necessary to manufacture mustard gas and nerve agents. The plant, Falluja 2, is located about 60 km west of Baghdad.

1986 - In March the UN secretary-general formally accuses Iraq of using chemical weapons against Iran, citing a UN report by four chemical warfare experts. The reports says the weapons used include both mustard gas and nerve gas and that the use of chemical weapons appears to have been more extensive in 1981 than in 1984.

According to a British representative at the Conference on Disarmament held in Geneva in July, "Iraqi chemical warfare was responsible for about 10,000 casualties."

1987 - Saddam launches the so-called Anfal (spoils of war) campaign against Kurdish dissidents who have aided the Iranians during the war. It is reported that thousands of Kurds are indiscriminately killed when villages are attacked with poisonous gas. The international humanitarian organisation Human Rights Watch estimates that at least 40 such chemical attacks take place.

The most notorious attack occurs at the village of Halabjah on 16 March 1988 when mustard gas and nerve agents are used to kill up to 5,000 and injure up to 10,000 more.

Overall an estimated Kurdish 4,000 villages and towns are razed and hundreds of thousands of Kurds are "cleansed" from the region by forced deportation. Many Kurds flee across the borders with Turkey and Iran. More than 100,000 Kurdish civilians are reported as killed or "disappeared". By the end of 1989 the Kurdish resistance has been crushed.

*** The birth defects are more than likely tobe attributal to LONG TERM exposure - not just because we were around the area for a short period of time. Most of chemical impacts are not due to short term exposure - but things that are built up over time in the mothers. So...the time line fits. Girls that were exposed in 86 forward are now 23 and giving birth to THIER children which have the effects.

Sorry guys..not the US ...eventhough you would like to think so.

pediatrics.aappublications.org

trying to deflect the nation from his impeachment woes

Bolshevicboy

"The birth defects are more than likely tobe attributal to LONG TERM exposure"

Where, exactly, does your link support that assertion?

"not just because we were around the area for a short period of time."

My link that referenced "last November" was from 2005. That would make it November 2004.

Hey Foshaffer where do You think Saddam Hussein got the precursers in the first place?? The United States with the full support of a one Ronald Wilson Reagan. Now what say You hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Larry

So Bill Clinton went ahead and used them anyway when he was trying to deflect the nation from his impeachment woes by bombing Bosnia?????

Deflecting by mentioning a Bill Clinton deflection. Well played.

i am willing to bet the people slamming bush can't name any weapons we used that would have caused this. yet i recall sadaam using several types of gasses

can you name the gasses?

Reagan's WMD Connection to Saddam Hussein

Address:www.fff.org

Now we know where the WMD's are buried. Start digging.

"Now we know where the WMD's are buried. Start digging."

Riiiiiiiiiiiight.

With any luck, we'll find some more worthless ten-year-old shells.

Now we know where the WMD's are buried. Start digging.

Posted by mysterytoy at 2009-11-15 11:15 PM | Reply

Lord the desperation in the Right Wingers to quell their gut wrenching reaction to the truth finally setting in about their support of the illegal invasion of Iraq is quite entertaining. You have to love their collective desperation. Thank G-d I don't have to stock up on truckloads of Lava Handsoap and rubbing alcohol.

Larry

Depleted uranium munitions will make you shoot radioactive loads?

#15 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2009-11-15 02:41 PM

Yes, which is why many children of Gulf War veterans have been born deformed. Sometimes their conception was years after the father returned home.

#37 | Posted by foshaffer

So where in your provided timeline was it that Saddam Hussein was hanging out with his partner-in-crime, Donald Rumsfeld, both with shit-eating grins caught on camera? Yeah, that's what I thought you said...

Wait - no one's mentioned Haliburton and racism yet. Lefties are slacking here!

JM

49

Here ya go:

Information about how the reagan admin knew about the chemical weapon use and tho they claimed neutrality during the iran/iraq war, they sent rummy to meet with saddam to make some oil deals, and provide him with more weapons, while claiming otherwise......etc.
The documents included in this briefing book reflect the realpolitik that determined this country's policies during the years when Iraq was actually employing chemical weapons. Actual rather than rhetorical opposition to such use was evidently not perceived to serve U.S. interests; instead, the Reagan administration did not deviate from its determination that Iraq was to serve as the instrument to prevent an Iranian victory. Chemical warfare was viewed as a potentially embarrassing public relations problem that complicated efforts to provide assistance. The Iraqi government's repressive internal policies, though well known to the U.S. government at the time, did not figure at all in the presidential directives that established U.S. policy toward the Iran-Iraq war. The U.S. was concerned with its ability to project military force in the Middle East, and to keep the oil flowing.

Most of the information in this briefing book, in its broad outlines, has been available for years. Some of it was recorded in contemporaneous news reports; a few investigative reporters uncovered much more - especially after Iraq's invasion of Kuwait. A particular debt is owed to the late representative Henry Gonzales (1916-2000), Democrat of Texas, whose staff extensively investigated U.S. policy toward Iraq during the 1980s and who would not be deterred from making information available to the public [Note 2]. Almost all of the primary documents included in this briefing book were obtained by the National Security Archive through the Freedom of Information Act and were published in 1995 [Note 3].

www.gwu.edu

Huge rise in birth defects in Falluja

You know what. I just don't give a shit. This is a culture that blows up their own children in the name of their god and murders their daughters for their family "honor".

#24 | Posted by Redman

kind of makes the sacrifice of over 4,000 american lives and 10's of thousands of mained soldiers well worth the price you would say.

*** The birth defects are more than likely tobe attributal to LONG TERM exposure - not just because we were around the area for a short period of time. Most of chemical impacts are not due to short term exposure - but things that are built up over time in the mothers. So...the time line fits. Girls that were exposed in 86 forward are now 23 and giving birth to THIER children which have the effects.

Sorry guys..not the US ...eventhough you would like to think so.

pediatrics.aappublications.org

#37 | Posted by foshaffer

Fostupid

if the mothers were exposed to 23 or so years of chemical weapons they would be the one's demonstrating the result, cancers etc.

birth defects result from exposure during pregnancy.

sorry please try again.

It is important to note that the Baath party did dump sodium dichromate (toxic hexavalent chromium) at the Qarmat Ali water plant upon their departure, in an act of sabotage, in 2003. I wonder how many times, and at how many plants, this act took place throughout Iraq?UpL8

"birth defects result from exposure during pregnancy."

According to Chemical Exposure and Toxic Responses, written in 1997 by Stephen K. Hall, Joanna Chakraborty, Randall J. Ruch, birth defects occur during, and prior to, conception. Those resulting defects are from damaged egg or sperm resulting from exposure of the biological parent(s) to toxic chemicals.


#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2009-11-15 11:07 PM | Reply | Flag: Thank you snoofy. It was there, I had to.

According to Chemical Exposure and Toxic Responses, written in 1997 by Stephen K. Hall, Joanna Chakraborty, Randall J. Ruch, birth defects occur during, and prior to, conception. Those resulting defects are from damaged egg or sperm resulting from exposure of the biological parent(s) to toxic chemicals.

You seriously want me to believe birth defects can't occur after conception? What a joke.

What's your explanation for crack babies and fetal alcohol syndrome?

It is important to note that the Baath party did dump sodium dichromate (toxic hexavalent chromium) at the Qarmat Ali water plant upon their departure, in an act of sabotage, in 2003. I wonder how many times, and at how many plants, this act took place throughout Iraq?UpL8

It's important to note that would never have happened if we hadn't invaded Iraq in the first place.

Not that this absolves "the Baath party" which was just about everybody of note in pre-occupation Iraq.

Yeah, that Baaath Party, that was secular in nature and didn't allow the religions of iraq dictate policy and refused to grant help and asylum to OBL and al queda, despite hallichainy's lies to the contrary.
The Baathists......
What happened to them?

Oh, yeah, they were replaced after the us invasion/occupation by a govt that's constitution states no law can be legislated that conflicts with Islam....

eh?

You seriously want me to believe birth defects can't occur after conception? What a joke.

What's your explanation for crack babies and fetal alcohol syndrome?

#58 | Posted by snoofy

Crack and FAS babies are developmentally disabled. The babies in Fallujah are genetically disabled. There is a huge difference. Pretend that babies are brick and mortar houses. The FAS/crack houses fall down because, though well designed, cheap materials were used. The Fallujah houses fall down because they lack a design. Make sense?

In other words, the parents of the babies in Iraq with chromosome damage are damaged because their parents have been exposed to toxins that have altered their sperm and/or ovum so "prior to, or at conception" the genetic blueprint of that fetus-to-be is already damaged. With crack and FAS babies their chromosomes are normal. They would be healthy babies but for their asshole mothers whose habits deprive them of the nutrients necessary for them to be healthy.

BTW, I didn't say birth defects CAN"T occur after conception. I was specifically referencing the causative nature of the defective babies in Iraq, the accusations of the US being responsible for said defection and the causative agent being white phos.

"Verified adverse health effects from personal experience, physicians and from personal reports from individuals with known DU exposures include reactive airway disease, neurological abnormalities, kidney stones and chronic kidney pain, rashes, vision degradation and night vision losses, lymphoma, various forms of skin and organ cancer, neuropsychological disorders, uranium in semen, sexual dysfunction and birth defects in offspring."

Depleted uranium munitions will make you shoot radioactive loads?
#15 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2009-11-15 02:41 PM

According to the Department Of Defense it's harmless.

Depleted uranium

Depleted uranium (DU) is uranium primarily composed of the isotope uranium-238 (U-238). Natural uranium is about 99.27 percent U-238, 0.72 percent U-235, and 0.0055 percent U-234. U-235 is used for fission in nuclear reactors and nuclear weapons. Uranium is enriched in U-235 by separating the isotopes by mass. The byproduct of enrichment, called depleted uranium or DU, contains less than one third as much U-235 and U-234 as natural uranium. The external radiation dose from DU is about 60 percent of that from the same mass of natural uranium.[2] DU is also found in reprocessed spent nuclear reactor fuel, but that kind can be distinguished from DU produced as a byproduct of uranium enrichment by the presence of U-236.[3] In the past, DU has been called Q-metal, depletalloy, and D-38.

DU is useful because of its very high density of 19.1 g/cm3. Civilian uses include counterweights in aircraft, radiation shielding in medical radiation therapy and industrial radiography equipment, and containers used to transport radioactive materials. Military uses include defensive armor plating and armor-piercing projectiles.

Uh, irony?
The use of DU in munitions is controversial because of questions about potential long-term health effects.[4] Normal functioning of the kidney, brain, liver, heart, and numerous other systems can be affected by uranium exposure, because in addition to being weakly radioactive, uranium is a toxic metal.[5] It is weakly radioactive and remains so because of its long half-life. The aerosol produced during impact and combustion of depleted uranium munitions can potentially contaminate wide areas around the impact sites or can be inhaled by civilians and military personnel.[6] In a three week period of conflict in Iraq during 2003 it was estimated over 1000 tons of depleted uranium munitions were used, mostly in cities.[7] The U.S. Department of Defense claims that no human cancer of any type has been seen as a result of exposure to either natural or depleted uranium;[8] yet, U.S. DoD studies using cultured cells and laboratory rodents continue to suggest the possibility of leukemogenic, genetic, reproductive, and neurological effects from chronic exposure[4], and ample evidence of the carcinogenic properties of uranium has appeared in the secondary medical literature since the 1950s.[9][10][11][12][13] Also, the UK Pensions Appeal Tribunal Service in early 2004 attributed birth defect claims from a February 1991 Gulf War combat veteran to depleted uranium poisoning.[14][15] A 2005 epidemiology review concluded: "In aggregate the human epidemiological evidence is consistent with increased risk of birth defects in offspring of persons exposed to DU."[16]

The U.S. Department of Defense claims that no human cancer of any type has been seen as a result of exposure to either natural or depleted uranium;

Yes,and Agent Orange,It's not just for breakfast anymore

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