Obama loves bowing to world leaders. What is up with that? He is a national disgrace.

#3 | Posted by reinheitsgebot

What does your rant have to do with Obama belittling the United States in front of the world every chance he gets?

Dumya liked swapping spit and walking hand-in-hand with his Saudi master. King Abdullah complained bitterly that Dubya's breath reeked of Guckert's cock.

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#3 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2009-11-14 05:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

A perfectly written and thought out post.

"What does your rant have to do with Obama belittling the United States in front of the world every chance he gets?"

What does your hyperbole have to do with reality?

"This photo will get Democrat President Obama a lot of approving nods in Japan this weekend, especially among the older generation of Japanese who still pay attention to the royal family living in iRepublican vice president Dick Cheney is received by Emperor Akihito in 2007ts downtown castle. Very low bows like this are a sign of great respect and deference to a superior."

Bullshit, Obama was shaking his hand at the time of the bow, considered rude, and a faux pas. Plus his bow is too deep, the sign of showing deference to a superior is not how low, but being last.

Who are his handlers?

"Enemies, Foreign & Domestic"

Photo captions of "Dear Leader"

"Mao's Jacket for Oba-Mao"

"**Signature Crotch Salute as the Flag passes:"

"If a US President Had Just Done This in January 1942 It Would Have Saved Everyone a Lot of Trouble"

"this first of what may well grow to be thousands of photoshops:"

A President honoring foreign customs does not embarrass me. Why does it embarrass others or is it just faux outrage?

#9 | Posted by reinheitsgebot

They all dressed like that for the G20--wasn't it?
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What the hell is wrong with Obama?

He did this for SA and took heat for it--you would think the man would learn 'something' and not do it again.

What a farthead.

reinheitsgebot

Still under the spell of a no longer POTUS.

Hey Reinie Heinie....what did Truman do? Lincoln?

Let us know moron.

Note to those of you who have no knowledge of or experience with Japanese tradition or customs:

Everyone bows when they meet the Emperor.

Nothing to see here, move along now.

This is a great pic.

The White House issued a statement saying that Obama did not bow down to the Emperor of Japan.

now with tongue!

Down here in Texas we think it was much, much better when Bush addressed Blair with his mouth full of food and coke, walked hand in hand through the Texas bluebonnets with the Saudi tyrant, manhandled the German Chancellor, pissed off Russia, France and Spain and showed all those pansies in old Europe who was boss.

Those were the days when we had a real Texas man in charge.

Dubya savors the taste of hummus after playing a liitle tonsil hockey with a Saudi potentate.

Hey - that's the way Homeboy did it in the 'hood. Force of habit.

WTH? Will this man ever stop bowing and scraping to foreign leaders. What is wrong with him?

Yawwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnn so much BULLSHIT so little time.

Bullshit, Obama was shaking his hand at the time of the bow, considered rude, and a faux pas. Plus his bow is too deep, the sign of showing deference to a superior is not how low, but being last.

Who are his handlers?

#7 | Posted by AndreaMackris

Yeah, that's what struck me. One or the other! I can only imagine what Hirohito was thinking. It was way too low! Didn't he watch Karate Kid?

"Look eye! Daniel-son! Always look eye!"

As far as Bush and King Abdullah, I'll comment after I see how Obama handles that encounter.

Bush bowed to te saudi king too

at least obama didnt throw up on him

New video exposes Obama handlers training video!

Obama was just apologizing for us shooting at their planes while they were bombing Pearl Harbor.

Cool! Obama knows how to earn a Nobel Peace Prize. He is like Gandhi and knows how to humble himself. The Japanese have come a long way since WWII. He is a better man then most people give him credit for.

another bush cringe worthy world leader moment

The depth and length of the bow only indicates how much money the Messiah has borrowed from Japan, to give to ACORN.

Reagan knelt before Queen Elizabeth

Yawwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnn

#22 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2009-11-14 09:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hey, LARRY!!!!!!

You got something to say besides "YAAAAWNNN" ?????

Every fucking thread, and that's your standard post (unless you are whining about how hard your life is)

give it a rest

I see a trend developing.

You can't criticize Obama without the Obamaists pointing to equal behavior they disliked about Bush.

How how is this change better?

How how is this change better?

#36 | Posted by Mato

hmmm bush-world hates us

obama-engaging world and making friends

I say pretty good

11 months and no new wars.

I never thought this site would be this neglect in a custom; he bowed deeply as a sign of respect. Get with it people, we're not losing it, it's called affirmation of allies.

#30-----"knows how to humble himself"---now that's an oxymoron; a humble narcissist.

hmmm bush-world hates us

obama-engaging world and making friends

I say pretty good

11 months and no new wars.

#39 | Posted by truthhurts

Ha! Your delusional.

How many Obama friends agreed to send more troops to Afghanistan? Not too many.

11 months and no new wars? That's your measure? Bush had no new wars in the last 5 years of his term.

You and Obama think the friends your making are like Facebook friends they make you feel all good until you turn on the camera or have to do something.

Meanwhile the rest of the world thinks your a weak ass punk that they can get over on.

"The depth and length of the bow only indicates how much money the Messiah has borrowed from Japan, to give to ACORN."

This just proves that combining several different examples of stupidity can result in a whole new level of idiotic. Vernon reigns tonight, as the dumbest of the dumb, his post is unequalled in stupidity. He is proud of it and should be congratulated on his achievement.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and suggest that maybe he was just trying to cut a fart

what a clown we are stuck with

Too bad he doesn't have the skills of George W. Bush who thought that protocol called for him to massage the Chancellor of Germany, Andrea Merkel's shoulders.

#44 | Posted by danni at 2009-11-14 11:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

When it comes to dumb, I bow to the Queen

"When it comes to dumb, I bow to the Queen"

NO Vernon, you are the unrivaled holder of the title. I may not be too bright but I just can't compete on your level of competitive stupidity, you are in a class of your own.

There's something attractive about an American president displaying humility and respect by bowing to another leader. Our last president acted like he was king of the world.

But there's also something unattractive about an American president paying deference to someone who would not pay similar deference to him.

I don't know the diplomatic reason for having President Obama bow to Emperor Akihito, but on the whole, I'd like that never to happen again. Find some other way of showing respect. Americans don't want to see their president showing deference to other leaders.

who gives a fuck? besides rightwing nuts clutching straws? its a small thing--i for one am more concerned with him bowing to wall st and the corporate elite here...

hmmm bush-world hates us

#39 | Posted by truthhurts

obama - world laughs at our dumbshit "leader".

There's something attractive about an American president displaying humility and respect by bowing to another leader. Our last president acted like he was king of the world.

Be serious. You saw all the photos of Bush kissing and holding hands with King Aabdullah.

Would the "king of the world" do that?

A message from W to the US allies that opposed Operation Iraqi Oil.

Obama's a true amateur; surrounded by incompetent amateur staff. A United States President bows to no one; until now. The leftist apologists should be sufficiently pleased. These will make nice campaign photos for 2012. You couldn't make that stuff up.

Man this place is full of haters. What's the point?

Man this place is full of haters

I know,I hate haters

1. You either bow... OR you shake hands. NEVER both!

Doing both sez "here is me and my ass as a gift to you Milord!".

2. Post 23 nails it.

You are correct. When I made this mistake I got a smack in the head. I never did it again.

I don't know what idiot briefs Obama on cultural protocol.... he ought to be fired.

You met the Emperor of Japan when?

The way we do it is, we bow to each other politely. THEN we walk a step forward and shake hands.

NEVER bowing and shaking hands at the same time. LOL.... that's a disaster.

You met the Emperor of Japan when?

Don't be silly. Read post 23.

"always look-eye Daniel-san! Always look eye!"

I miss Pat Marido sighhhhhh

When you bow to someone, eye-contact is NEVER broken... you don't even dare blink.

The Japanese Emperor isn't going to accept such a bow from a commoner, which would make him my equal, not an Emperor.

Much better to just shake hands only.

My point is, if I bow before the Emperor, I will end up either insulting him, or insulting myself (Obama style).

Just shake hands, dude, and walk away. LOL... It isn't like you walked into Samurai Japan where extending your hand would likely get it chopped off by a samurai sword. It's quite safe these days. LOL

Another non scandal for the righties to jerk off to.

Jesus...it's not like he puked on the guy.

I don't think Mr. Obama has much experience with east Asian culture, period. I wanna see the man use a chopstick!

Now, if he would've just walked out in a fundoshi, everyone would've ignored the whole encounter.

Many Japanese thought His bow was EXCELLENT.

Japan's reaction to Obama bowing before the Emperor

I wanna see the man use a chopstick!

Be more effective to use TWO.

Be more effective to use TWO.

#68 |

But, of course.

Therefore, I would hope the discussion over dinner is NOT stimulus.

ALEX

"Another non scandal for the righties to jerk off to."

Exactly!

Pickins' are slim for the GOP these days. Any port in a storm will do, so to speak.

A polite bow, (adhering to Japanese culture) is a sign of respect . . . not subservience.

I described the polite bow, which included eye-contact. It is not a deep bow.

I am not sure if that would be polite for an Emperor.

It is always safer to stick to "international culture" that everyone accepts, in such situations.

And yeah, that's one hell of a cracking idea.

If you want to be Asian so bad, go eat with chopsticks.

I bet he'd have taken someone's eye out by dessert.

so You can tell what Your opponent in Karate is doing and to be totally aware of Him. But that's just a guess.

No, you are totally correct.

Even a mediocre karate fighter can land at least one kick on you without looking like he moved at all.

Keeping eye contact is a life-saver.

And since Japanese bowing comes from a samurai warrior culture, I would guess, this is now true of non-karate bowing as well. Eye-contact to be maintained.

All these greetings, which might look polite, have a fighting background.

For example, the handshake was to show the other guy that I am not carrying a knife in my right hand.

There is also one more thing to be careful of.

When you bow, your heels should be together, hands at your sides (never touching your knees).

Guy bowed with feet apart, "hey look, dog pissing against the wall!" Yeah, our Grandmaster said that. LOL

He's a funny guy.

Basic bows are performed with the back straight and the hands at the sides (boys and men) or clasped in the lap (girls and women), and with the eyes down.

Ah.

So the normal bow is different from the Karate-bow that I know.

Over here, it is the exact same for the girls. Hands at your sides.

And no bow will last longer than a few seconds.

Even Jimmie Cahtah wasn't this stupid.

Even Jimmie Cahtah wasn't this stupid.

Kinda late to appreciate that now

Obama Bows to Japanese Emperor

George Bush would have slapped a ten gallon hat on the Emperor's head and told him a fart joke.

I think I prefer Barack Obama.

And your messiah oozes arrogance, ineptitude, deceit, connivence, greed, indifference...

Maybe it's the halitosis or the fear of getting that tobacco smell all over Akihito.

Oh, and wtf on Okinawa and/or refueling for AfPak?

FDR would never bow to the Japanese emperor!

FDR would never bow to the Japanese emperor!

Posted by citizen_x at 2009-11-15 04:40 AM | Reply

Dude could barely walk You expect Him to bow or not?? bwhahahahahahahahaha

George Bush would have slapped a ten gallon hat on the Emperor's head and told him a fart joke.

Well, since you put it like THAT, then true he did not cause any offense.

You're slipping GRATEAMERICAN

"And your messiah oozes arrogance, ineptitude, deceit, connivence, greed, indifference..."

You forgot to mention the bone he wears in his nose.

LOL

LARRY

Shhhhhhh

The more Citizen X talks, the better.

Whatever you do, don't tell him about the wheelchair.

hehehehehehhehehe Yeah hahahahhahahaha

FDR would never bow to the Japanese emperor!

Posted by citizen_x at 2009-11-15 04:40 AM | Reply

That is the dumbest post I have ever read here.(which took doing, I might add)

You know the more I think about this the more I think it is like a CEO of one company IE the United States going to the CEO of another company IE Japan and following the traditions and customs of that company. I see nothing wrong with it. The Japanese thought it was splendid.

Larry

The Japanese thought it was splendid.

If Obama comes to me and bows and sez "my ass is yours to kick Saab!", I would be pleased as hell too.

As for "always look eye, Daniel-san!"... anyone seen this old classic?

"Look eye, always look eye! Come back tomorrow."

It looks like about half of the posts reference Bush. What does he have to do with this event, I wonder?

It looks like about half of the posts reference Bush. What does he have to do with this event, I wonder?

Just a thought experiment to see how much worse it could be.

It looks like about half of the posts reference Bush. What does he have to do with this event, I wonder?

It's not that hard to figure out, Goatman. Some of Obama's worst critics spent Bush's entire term of office responding to everything he did with a "please, sir, can I have another?" So it's rich to see them judge Obama by a completely different standard.

I really really don't like defending Obama but you folks are having a giant snit fest over a president observing proper head of state greeting protocol and trying to have the US no longer look arrogant. After WW2 it was politically incorrect to bow to the emperor's father but it's time to let that go and realize Japan is our closest friend in the region and as good an ally as we have. The emperor is a figure head of a state that is committed to democracy and a the heart of a people who are trying to hold on to some of their ancient tradition. Now if y'all want to have a snit fest over Obama's policies, count me in.

I'm at a loss to sit and type a response to what I am reading. So, I'll just go now.

So it's rich to see them judge Obama by a completely different standard.

This thread is about two peers (world leaders), not a world leader and his underling sycophants. I don't see a true analogy.

If there is a valid comparison it is watching the left defend Obama's actions of following protocol (which for the record I agree with, btw) by bowing yet these same people slammed Bush for following local protocol by holding hands with an Arab leader.

Therein lies the richness.

observing proper head of state greeting protocol

...would be a handshake. And just a handshake.

"If there is a valid comparison it is watching the left defend Obama's actions of following protocol (which for the record I agree with, btw) by bowing yet these same people slammed Bush for following local protocol by holding hands with an Arab leader.
Therein lies the richness."

What you've just pointed out, Goat, is that there is richness to be found on both sides of the aisle. Hardly unusual, eh? Especially here on DR.

there is richness to be found on both sides of the aisle.

Making me a DR Trillionaire?

Hardly unusual, eh? Especially here on DR.

Indeed. lol

I am reminded of a Churchill story, perhaps apocryphal.

England's leader was a guest at the White House. FDR, who liked to make guests uncomfortable, had himself wheeled in while Sir Winnie was in the bath.

Churchill rose from the water, in all his glory, to a standing position, for one should stand in the presence of the president.

"Sir Winston," President Roosevelt, "you need not rise."

"Sir," Winnie returned, "the prime minister of England has _nothing_ to hide from the President of the United States."

Obama loves bowing to world leaders. What is up with that? He is a national disgrace.

#1 | Posted by member2586

So being respectful and humble is a disgrace now. You fuckers should be euthanized.

That is the problem with REPUKES, no humility and a sense of entitlement just because we are American. Whatever happened to "Walk softly and carry a big stick"?

Just because I could kick someones ass doesn't mean you bully and occasionally kick their ass..flies and honey you know.

Spin it any way you want...Oborrow is embarrassing.
He is a national disgrace.

In your opinion, ACLUSux, but then, given your handle, there's going to be basic disagreement with many here.

Language like "He is a national disgrace" does nothing to advance any sort of positive agenda. But I'm guessing that's not of interest to you.

"President Obama bowed deeply to Japanese Emperor Akihito and Empress Michiko"

So sorry about that whole WWII thing.....The USA acted improperly, it was all our fault....

.

I must say that it pisses me off that Obama bowed to this guy and to the Saudi dictator. One can be respectful without bowing down like some serf. What kind of ego must this guy have that he can live his life being bowed to all the time?
I laugh at the short term memory imbeciles on this board who somehow believe that Obama is the first guy to do this.

The emperor is a figure head of a state that is committed to democracy and a the heart of a people who are trying to hold on to some of their ancient tradition. Now if y'all want to have a snit fest over Obama's policies, count me in.

#96 | Posted by Constuct

If the emperor was committed to democracy, he could stop being the emperor and get a real job.

obamalama
what an effing tw@

You had one more question, and I'm not sure I remember it. Was it North Korea?

Q Whether or not you believe that the U.S. dropped a nuclear weapon on Hiroshima and Nagasaki -- it was right?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: No, there were three sets of questions, right? You asked about North Korea?

Pathetic...
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Obama loves bowing to world leaders. What is up with that? He is a national disgrace.

#1 | Posted by member2586

It's called Respect, not subservience.

Not that you could be expected to understand the difference.

Are the Riiightists are just projecting their own love for authority and lickspittle behavior when confronted with it onto Obama? Ah, yes, politics above country:

People bow when they greet each other all the fucking time in Japan. The higher the authorities meeting, the deeper the bow (you wonder if they're going to head-butt the sidewalk). Do some research (like Larry) before offering knee-jerk, over-reactionary criticisms.

What part of "All men are created equal" does President Barack H. Obama not understand? Further evidence that this President believes in hierarchies of man. Not quite the "Dream" that Dr. Martin Luther King had is it?

A tip of the head would be just fine...kissing the emperor's shoes, that's a different story....

'Bammy needs that protocol czar....

Member 2586 "You fuckers should be euthanized."

Apparently members of the Democratic Socialist Party believe much like The National Socialist Party (Nazis)of Germany. I can't imagine why many in the United States want to maintain their Second Amendment Right.

PS. Member 2586, talking tough on a web blog doesn't make you tough it simply reeks of weakness.

So what's with this bowing stuff???

If an experienced adult can be found among Obama's handlers, that person tell Obama that he, like the Emperor, is a head of state. Therefore he's an equal. No bows necessary.

So glad we have a president with substantive experience and knowledgeable advisors.

Dirk, that wasn't Member2586--he's an Obama hater of a high order.

And you do realize that Legio was waxing rhetorical, right? He wasn't seriously saying we should kill all rightwing citizens. (Well, I don't think he was.)

And there is no Democratic Socialist Party, but that was a bit of your own rhetoric, now wasn't it? (Caveat: There might be a DSP, but it's not the Democratic Party currently in power.)

Here on DR, we can give you rhetoric and blood without the love, or rhetoric and love without the blood, but we can't do blood and love without the rhetoric. (With apologies to Tom Stoppard for mangling his great play Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead.)

A close friend told me:
On my first business trip to Japan there was a lot of bowing. My "I bow to no man" attitude lead to the contract being flushed down the drain. When asked why it was lost they said, "mutual respect is important in business relationships. You don't respect our culture, then we don't respect your business."

I was stationed in Japan and really enjoyed it.

Righties tend to project, as this threads comments clearly show. What they project into the bowing has no relationship to the cultural realities, call it ignorance if you wish, but it is standard righty behavior, they are clueless to what the cultural value of bowing is to the Japanese. Go ahead righties, prove you are stupid.

Apologies Member 2586,

Dear Pragmatist,
Legio can defend his own hateful rhetoric, he doesn't need you to spin it for him in a vain attempt to soften his and many on his side of the aisle's disturbing mindset. Nice try though!

And yes of course there is a Democratic Socialist Party in power as we speak. Of course they leave off the Socialist part in order to keep an ill informed group of constituents ignorant, however that doesn't change the facts. To even began to imagine that their Leader President Barack H. Obama is not at the very least a Socialist is intellectually dishonest, but then that is what fuels his fire isn't it.

Obama is not the "ugly American traveler" that all countries non-American love to rip on. As an ambassador to another country, you do well to observe that country's customs, to at least show that you care enough to learn about the people of the country you're visiting. Our country's image improved in the eyes of the Japanese because of this gesture.

Those non-understanding Americans, well, they'll have to learn or bitch about it. Speaking of which, I bet Fox News is having a ball with this Round 2 of bowing. I'd put money on it they're focusing more on feeding the bitching rather than providing cross-cultural understanding.

"Dear Pragmatist,
Legio can defend his own hateful rhetoric, he doesn't need you to spin it for him in a vain attempt to soften his and many on his side of the aisle's disturbing mindset. Nice try though!"

Not really trying to soften anything. It's my understanding. I know no one, on either side, who seriously considers euthanasia a great idea. But Legio can speak for himself (or herself?), and quite well, too. So yeah, I'll shut up about that.

"And yes of course there is a Democratic Socialist Party in power as we speak. Of course they leave off the Socialist part in order to keep an ill informed group of constituents ignorant, however that doesn't change the facts. To even began to imagine that their Leader President Barack H. Obama is not at the very least a Socialist is intellectually dishonest, but then that is what fuels his fire isn't it."

Oh, bullshit. One could say the same shit about Republican leaders and use the word fascist, and most on the right would scream and whine. But if you want to be Humpty Dumpty, just go on making up words and terms to suit your political agenda (rhetoric). You'll be wrong, but if it makes you happy to do so, well, I believe in the pursuit of happiness.

(More seriously, I believe that some tenets of socialism are part of Obama's ideology--assuming he has one--but he's hardly a full-blown socialist, anymore than George Bush is a full-blown nationalist. Any thinking human being gets his or her worldview by reading and studying and listening to a variety of sources and models. Hell, I even near conservativism--gasp--on some issues.)

#120 Dork

At the very least a Socialist?!? Well, I guess I'll have to amend the dictionary definition and go run into the wall head-first a few times. All this time I thought Wall Street owned our asses.

Dear Scrumplet,
If you understood a little about how racist the Japanese are and have always been you would understand why this submissive gesture pleases them. Does "The Rape of Nanking" ring a bell? It wouldn't if you were living in a suppressive society such as Japan but it still might if you grew up in the United States.

President Obama vs. the Rest of the World Greeting the Emperor of Japan (photos)

#124 Dirk

I feel that America generally is less racist than the other countries I've been to. That's why it's difficult when dealing in other countries. Often it's no use to try to raise a big fuss, because the native country will probably respond defensively.

In Japan, bowing is not a submissive gesture; it's a sign of respect. American machismo can stay in America.

The Japanese aren't all a bunch of assholes. They do need to own up to the horrible things they did to the Chinese, Koreans, &etc 60+ years ago, but their younger generations are more likely to open their eyes, as many of them study abroad. I hung out with some Japanese my age in Tokyo; they didn't display any superiority complex.

Dear Pragmatist,
I am glad that you decided to get serious and start talking about "Obama's Ideology--Assuming he has one" wink, wink.

For the record I voted Libertarian (Bob Barr) not for John McCain so you might want to stop making an ass out of yourself and cease your assumption that I am a Conservative. I just happen to think President Obama is an elitist that believes in a hierarchy among people. His constant bowing to "royalty" and his social policy confirms it. Sorry if his actions embarrass you, however you don't need to shoot the messenger.

PS: That "shoot the messenger" thing was just a figure of speech I don't really want you and Legio to get any ideas:)

If bowing is merely a standard sign of respect in Japanese culture, then why didn't Akihito bow back?

Sir Winston," President Roosevelt, "you need not rise."

#102 Pragmatist - that bit is certainly incorrect, as he was just "Mister Churchill" until he retired.

If bowing is merely a standard sign of respect in Japanese culture, then why didn't Akihito bow back?

#128 | Posted by JOE

Because he's the Emperor

Dear Timex,

"Because he's the Emperor"

I do hope you are joking?

Heheh, I think Timex may be joking. The Emperor is older than Obama. It's an old tradition for the younger guy to offer his respect to the older guy. This is true in Korea, too, where you address someone older than you differently than somebody younger than you ("hey, geezer" vs. "yo, little runt," nyuk nyuk).

Is anyone on the left at least a little disturbed that the President of a country that holds sacred the idea that "all me are created equal" is bowing to an "Emperor"?

Note to the Big O:

"For the record I voted Libertarian (Bob Barr) not for John McCain so you might want to stop making an ass out of yourself and cease your assumption that I am a Conservative. I just happen to think President Obama is an elitist that believes in a hierarchy among people. His constant bowing to "royalty" and his social policy confirms it. Sorry if his actions embarrass you, however you don't need to shoot the messenger. "

I'm not embarrassed at all. What makes you think I am? Nice to know you're not a conservative. (In America, there's no such as a Conservative. At least, not on a national scale.) But hey, sorry if I assumed; I didn't think I did--I thought I was cagey with my language. But I'm not always "on."

+++++

Sitdown--I had this feeling someone would correct me on the timing of Winnie's knighthood. I did say "probably apocryphal," right? And it's still a funny story.

And funny is good. We have too little of the Winnie style of humor here, and too much Beavis and Butthead. Heh heh. Heh. Where's that TP for my bunghole anyway?

Dear Pragmatist,
The fact that you are defending a man that is supposed to represent the idea that "all men are created equal" and just bowed to an "Emperor" indicates that you are at least a little defensive.

"In America, there's no such as a conservative"? Ex Governor Jon Corzine thought the same thing.

And now for my 2 cents to this thread.

hotairpundit.blogspot.com

#125 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2009-11-15 01:03 PM | Reply

As often has been said "A picture is worth a thousand words"

PrezBo, always the incessant apologist....
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"Ex giovernor John Corazine thought the same thing...."

Then the man was entirely right. The Right hunts conservatives like they were buffalo in the 1880's---In hopes of their extinction.

I wonder if "O" has figured out the spit, paint , or swallow thing....if not he's dusting up his suit for no reason.

just saying.

"Winnie" was indeed very smart.

"Mr Churchill, if you were my husband, I would poison your drink"

"Madam, if you were my wife I would drink it"

"I have taken much more out of alcohol than alcohol has taken out of me"

I wont trust ANYTHING anyone says here about proper Japanese etiqutte. Not even if you claim to be Japanese.

Having said that....

If Obama showed proper Japanese etiquette, more power to him.

(Note: I spent a couple of years in Japan in the mid 80s. I know enough to know that it seems to take years for non-Japanese to get the hang of proper bowing, and many never real master it (I never came close, but just tossed in a short bow when it 'felt' polite...). If Obama made so much as a "good try", good for him.)

I'm HEAVILY inclined to write this one off as Obama hate, and I'm a man that does not like him at all, and would rather have Bush back (or better yet, Palin).

"Bush back, or better yet Palin"

Difficult choice that.

Dirk, are you reading what I write? Bizarre, man.

"Dear Pragmatist,
The fact that you are defending a man that is supposed to represent the idea that "all men are created equal" and just bowed to an "Emperor" indicates that you are at least a little defensive."

Please explain to me where I defended anyone--oh, I see, you mean the socialism part. Well, first off, defending someone is not the same as "being defensive." Second, I'm not defending President Obama's decisions--I dislike some of them. I have suggested, over and over here on this site, that Obama is hardly socialist. That's not defensiveness, or even a defense. It's analysis, and analysis is not defense. If you want to take on the argument, okay, but please don't accuse me of defending anyone or of being defensive.

And then you quoted my "In America, there's no such as a conservative" and retorted, "Ex Governor Jon Corzine thought the same thing."

I guess you missed my point. I capped the c. I was pointing out your capitalization error, or what seemed to be one. To my knowledge, there is no Conservative Party in the United States. Maybe there is one I don't know about. If so, let me know. I'm not saying there aren't people who are conservative but not Republican. Two different arguments.

Dear Pragmatist,
I guess when you firing back with your wide vocabulary (see below) I miss took this as defensiveness. My bad. I must have just struck a cord.

"Oh, bullshit. One could say the same shit about Republican leaders and use the word fascist"

PS. Pragmatist "doth protest too much, methinks"

I should go your route, Dirk, and say something like, "Nice deflection."

Methinks you don't know what "defensiveness" means, any more than you know the context of your attempted literary attack.

G'night.

Oh, and it's chord. With an h. "Struck a cord" doesn't make any sense.

Focus on my spelling and punctuation Pragmatist that way you don't have to deal with logic and reason.

"Focus on my spelling and punctuation Pragmatist that way you don't have to deal with logic and reason."

Given that you don't understand logic and reason, as presented in my posts, I'm not surprised that you don't get why it's important to write well, nor the meanings inherent to the capitalization (which I'll assume is what you were referring to when you said "punctuation") and spelling errors I pointed out. So I'll chalk this up as another of your wonderful (unintended) ironies.

But I did say good night (er, g'night), and so did you, over on another thread. One wonders why either of us is still wasting time badgering the other.

"47 World Leaders- 46 Handshakes- 1 Bow"

I opened a bottle of wine? What can I say?

Logic "presented" poorly I might add.

Personally I think you are the type that must have the last word (I am somewhat familiar with those types) so before I even checked for your response (after you said g'night) I opened that bottle of wine knowing that you couldn't help yourself and sure enough there you were.

I must say I did find it fascinating that you thought I might be someone other than I was. Why can't I be just some Joe blow that genuinely views President Barack H. Obama as a hard core leftist?

Which other US Presidents bowed before meeting the Emperor? Actually, which other US Presidents bowed before other world leaders? More importantly, which other world leaders bowed before the Emperor? Are the Obama defenders trying to say that Obama was the only world leader to get protocol correct? Cmon!

On top of it, he defends China as being a responsible world leader after China admits to giving uranium to the Pakistan - which is now under a civil war - and we now have to send our troops to defend their arsenal. Does his foreign policy team have ANY CLUE what they are doing???

Dear DCSTRESSFREE,
His Foreign Policy "Team" knows exactly what they are doing. Destroying the United States! This is what Communist do. Wake up my friend, their is no Santa Claus but there is a Grinch. He has big ears, he is from Chicago and his wife had a fake job created for her at the University of Illinois Chicago in order to funnel money.

Left or Right I think we can all agree there is nothing more dangerous then a perfect vagina.

Hi Dirk,Speaking of perfect cunts,you sure have alot to say for someone who has been here for less than 24 hours.So what name did you use to post under

#66 | Posted by bruceaz

His Foreign Policy "Team" knows exactly what they are doing. Destroying the United States! This is what Communist do. Wake up my friend, their is no Santa Claus but there is a Grinch. He has big ears, he is from Chicago and his wife had a fake job created for her at the University of Illinois Chicago in order to funnel money.

#154 | Posted by Dork

Do you even know what a communist is?
I didn't think so.

By the way, if you drive a gas hog then you get on your knees for the Saudi king every time you fill up, so put on those kneepads.

"47 World Leaders- 46 Handshakes- 1 Bow"

And more importantly, no backrubs or projectile vomiting.

#157 | Posted by reinheitsgebot

Damn,you're the man,I wish I'd posted that

Americans don't want to see their president showing deference to other leaders. #49 | Posted by rcade

I see your point, but this guy was not the PM, but royalty, which is a big difference. I think Obama is just trying to conform to local customs and be respectful when he is on their turf, maybe a bit overcooked. All in all, after 8 years of Dubya alienating us from the the world, I can't see this as a big problem...

"Personally I think you are the type that must have the last word (I am somewhat familiar with those types) so before I even checked for your response (after you said g'night) I opened that bottle of wine knowing that you couldn't help yourself and sure enough there you were."

Thanks for admitting that you have been baiting me. Now we know who you are.

And funny thing was, that bit about getting the last word--it's exactly what I was thinking about you.

"I must say I did find it fascinating that you thought I might be someone other than I was. Why can't I be just some Joe blow that genuinely views President Barack H. Obama as a hard core leftist?"

I never said you couldn't be. But with your #154, you proved either that you're a crackpot conspiracy theorist or that you're here only to tweak, not to engage in actual discussion. (Which puts the lie to your claims about logic etc.) All good to know.

Why can't I be just some Joe blow
#152 | Posted by Dirk | Flag: One of the Blows

"you proved either that you're a crackpot conspiracy theorist or that you're here only to tweak, not to engage in actual discussion."

False premise

I am here to whisper the truth in your ear so when you wake up every morning you are not disillusioned by all the bather of the sheep, with which you tend to huddle.

I see your point, but this guy was not the PM, but royalty, which is a big difference.

True, but we rejected royalty in the American Revolution and never looked back. I'd like to see the president find a way to show respect that does not show deference. It's not accurate in any way, shape or form that we are deferent to Emperor Akihito.

One thing for sure, bowing is a far more sanitary than handshaking.

With the increasing emphasis on hand washing to reduce the spread of disease, especially in light of the swine flu sickening more people and taking more lives world wide, the shaking of the hands, though traditional and respectful, is an excellent disease vector.

Do you really know where that person's hand has been?

Think about it. The list can get pretty disgusting.

There is a really good justification behind that Islamic code of eating with the right and wiping with the left.

I would like to see the tradition of handshaking eliminated entirely for these reasons. It may yet come to that.

I'd like to see the president find a way to show respect that does not show deference. It's not accurate in any way, shape or form that we are deferent to Emperor Akihito.

#163 | Posted by rcade

Keep in mind that the act of handshaking is more a Western practice. The Asian cultures, which BTW have been around far, far longer than the US and western civilization, minimize the act of touching when greeting others. As I expounded a bit on above, bowing is a far more healthy practice.

When in Rome, that sort of thing. Though the etiquette of bowing has multiple levels. IMHO, though Obama was correct in showing respect for the Emperor of Japan, his bow was way too low for equals. And Emperor Akihito should have returned the acknowledgment.

If you understood a little about how racist the Japanese are and have always been you would understand why this submissive gesture pleases them. Does "The Rape of Nanking" ring a bell? It wouldn't if you were living in a suppressive society such as Japan but it still might if you grew up in the United States.

#124 | Posted by Dirk

This is a straw man argument. Does the Rape of the American West ring a bell? America has its very roots in virulent racism and religious bigotry. Both are still prevalent today, though not quite as overt. Of course, if there is another incident on American soil perpetrated by Islamic fundie whackjobs, it will not go well across the US for those of Islamic persuasion with olive skin and arab sounding names.

Japan has always been a very insular culture. Can't blame them considering they live packed shoulder to shoulder on a small chain of islands. As cultures go, the Japanese have been incredibly successful. Their two big mistakes have been allowing themselves to heed the siren call of westernization and the ill-conceived attempt at dominating the Pacific rim though naked aggression.

- gesture that provoked debate in the U.S.

Among the airhead Teabag set.

I'd like to see the president find a way to show respect that does not show deference.

How about farting and tap dancing?

"by all the bather of the sheep, with which you tend to huddle."

Bather of sheep? Hm.

And again, you prove that you're not reading what I write.

But that's cool. This is way too much fun.

+++++

Back on topic:

"IMHO, though Obama was correct in showing respect for the Emperor of Japan, his bow was way too low for equals. And Emperor Akihito should have returned the acknowledgment."

In complete agreement here. I like the idea of honoring local customs, to some extent, but mutual acknowledgment matters. Granted, if the emperor is old school, he believes he is divine or divinely anointed (I forget which).

Too, we should remember that Obama is quite tall, so bowing at all looks really odd on him. ; ) But I have to be careful, lest someone accuse me of defending or of being defensive.

The more I think about it, the more this bothers me. Why does this guy deserve respect? If the Krauts had kept a "fuhrer" as an honorary symbolic position after WWII would he deserve respect as well?
The Japanese need to grow up and get rid of this fossil. That goes for the Brits too; the bucktooth inbreds that pretend to run England are an embarrassment.

"but mutual acknowledgment matters"

Well done! I knew you would come around.

And it really "matters" when you are the man that is suppose to represent the idea that "All men are created equal".

"whats wrong with obama"

says the person who is obsessed with 6000 year old earth palin.

please you dr. rightards make the dr. republicans look like idiots.

you are dragging everyone down.

Our president's bow to the Saudi leader aside, it is customary, and protocol, to bow as a form of greeting when in Japan. Where we give a handshake; they bow.

Fox News did the same thing to W.

"When in Rome, that sort of thing. Though the etiquette of bowing has multiple levels. IMHO, though Obama was correct in showing respect for the Emperor of Japan, his bow was way too low for equals. And Emperor Akihito should have returned the acknowledgment."

The man is an embarrassment:

Why does the emperor of Japan deserve respect?
I'll ask again, if the Germans had kept "furher" as a symbolic title would he deserve respect?

It's a new trend:

He deserves as much respect as the next foriegn leader Obama has gone to see, but because it was Obama that did the bowing you'll have his sycophants line up and pretend as if what he did was right (while chastising Bush for bowing or holding hands).

Emperor doesn't seem like it ranks higher than Leader of the Free World, but Obama bowed, so that's good enough for his loyal followers.

"Well done! I knew you would come around. "

Condescend much?

"A President honoring foreign customs does not embarrass me. Why does it embarrass others or is it just faux outrage?"

It isn't their custom for an equal to bow deeply to someone else. That's the point.

Apparently Nixon bowed to the emperor as well but we won't see that in the link that's been posted about 10 times.
I would bow to you Chairpoodle, only because I wouldn't want to shake hands with someone who smears crap on the wall.

Do other heads of State do similar bows? If its just good etiquette, more power to him.

So long as its simple etiquette, its a non-issue.

(and I'm a man that would prefer have President Palin, not Obama...)

"Condescend much?"

Only when I become bored with the company.

"I would bow to you Chairpoodle, only because I wouldn't want to shake hands with someone who smears crap on the wall."

So glad I just put my tea down before I read that.

"Only when I become bored with the company."

When I become bored, I stop bothering. I certainly don't bother to insult others and put my hypocrisy on display.

Obama likes to bow. Bush liked to hold hands. Bowing is not as gay as holding hands hahahahha

" 1994 NYT Blasted Clinton For Bowing
November 16th, 2009

From the archives of the New York Times:

THE WORLD; The President's Inclination: No, It Wasn't a Bow-Bow

By DOUGLAS JEHL
Published: Sunday, June 19, 1994 "

Yet Obama didn't bow to the Chinese president...wtf?

Bowing is not as gay as holding hands hahahahha

#185 | Posted by toecutter

or kissing men on the lips

It's not accurate in any way, shape or form that we are deferent to Emperor Akihito.

#163 | Posted by rcade

I don't believe that ANYONE is actually deferential to the Japanese Emperor. He is just a figurehead much like the Queen of England.

This a "much ado about nothing" issue like flag pins etc. that the wingnuts love to crow about in order to stir up the crazies... errr...I mean the "base".

This a "much ado about nothing" issue like flag pins etc. that the wingnuts love to crow about...
#189 | Posted by donnerboy at 2009-11-16 03:05 PM | Reply

Hey retard,
How many posts have you made about Bush holding hands with the Saudi? Yeah, I thought so, stupid. STFU.

Bowing is not as gay as holding hands hahahahha

#185 | Posted by toecutter

or kissing men on the lips

#187 | Posted by donnerboy at 2009-11-16 03:00 PM

and donnerfagboy knows all about whats gay and what is not gay

I haven't read a single comment on this thread; drive-by blogging today....

WAY too much is made of trivial shit like this IMO.

President Bush went to great lengths to accomodate the Saudi royalty, which included hand-holding and the removal of all female staff from the terminal in which the Saudis arrived when visiting. That act in itself is far more egregious than Obama attempting a quick ball-lick via an exaggerated bow that brought his head into the proximity of this clown's nether-region.

Going further...the bow is a show of respect.

What in the hell is so bad about that?

*sigh*

Just don't run for president, Jeffie....don't run for president....

Time for that Protocol Czar...oh wait...still trying to find one with a tax problem....

Daprof,

So far, I think Obama sucks ass as president.

That DOESN'T mean that I think EVERY criticism of him has merit.

How many posts have you made about Bush holding hands with the Saudi? Yeah, I thought so, stupid. STFU.

#189 | Posted by 101Chairpuddles

Hmmm now that you mention it... not nearly enough!

Here's your sign!

and donnerfagboy knows all about whats gay and what is not gay

#190 | Posted by reinsurelaw

not really an expert on what is gay but I sure know creepy when I see it...

THIS is creepy!

" ... I voted Libertarian (Bob Barr) ... so you might want to stop making an ass out of yourself ... "
#125 | Posted by Dirk

Ironic statement.
By the way, "Barr advocated complete federal prohibition of medical marijuana." Real libertarian of him.

at least he didn't toss the salad.

I don't really care who you are... If you meet a King, Queen, Emperor, Pope, etc., you bow.

Dear Mrbgoode,

Your mistake was an honest one. See Below.

"My, how times have changed. Less than a decade ago, former Georgia Republican Congressman Bob Barr was the bete noire of the marijuana reform movement. Now, he works for it. That's right, Bob Barr, the man who single-handedly derailed medical marijuana in Washington, DC, has been hired as a lobbyist by the Marijuana Policy Project (MPP)."

"I don't really care who you are... If you meet a King, Queen, Emperor, Pope, etc., you bow."

Spoken like a true Obama bootlicker! The elitist mentality never ceases to amaze me.

"All men are created equal" unless you are a king, queen, emperor, Pope, etc., then you bow like a second class citizen.

I can't imagine why the framers wrote the Second Amendment into the Constitution? Maybe they understood that fools like this were going to be running around looking for some kings balls to suck on.

POLITICAL COMMENTARY ALERT: Again, I see the right-wing pundits I adore have focused on President Obama Bowing..SO WHAT!!, The guy IS an Emperor for the love of God..It Is not a bad thing..Politicans and Pundits on both sides are weaselly little sniveling crybabies..Yet everyone missed the question asked every president who shows up there 'Looking back, do you think it was smart to drop the Atomic Bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki?" that question is simply meant to embarrass the President of the United States and the country in General and President Obama didn't dignify it with an answer to his credit, So read below as I anwser it

OPERATION DOWNFALL was to be a strictly American operation, except for a part of the British Pacific Fleet. It called for using the entire Marine Corps, the entire Pacific Navy, elements of the Seventh Army Air Force, the Eighth Air Force (recently re-deployed from Europe), The 20th Air Force and the American Far Eastern Air Force. More than 1.5 million combat troops, with 3 million more in support, (more than 40 per cent of all servicemen still in uniform in 1945), would be directly involved in two amphibious assaults. Casualties were expected to be extremely heavy. Admiral William Leahy estimated more than 250,00 killed or wounded on Kyushu alone. General Charles Willoughby, Chief of Intelligence for General Douglas MacArthur, estimated American casualties from the entire operation would be one million men by the fall of 1946. This was considered, by many, to be a very conservative estimate.

A study done for Secretary of War Henry Stimson's staff by William Shockley estimated that conquering Japan would cost 1.74 MILLION American casualties, including 400,000800,000 fatalities, and five to ten MILLION (Yes, that is MILLION)Japanese fatalities. The key assumption was large-scale participation by civilians in the defense of Japan.

And adding the little known and small detail that YOU F****** STARTED IT

SO YES M****** F*******, it was a smart idea!!!!!

Correction; Bill of Rights

There's something attractive about an American president displaying humility and respect by bowing to another leader. Our last president acted like he was king of the world.

But there's also something unattractive about an American president paying deference to someone who would not pay similar deference to him.

I don't know the diplomatic reason for having President Obama bow to Emperor Akihito, but on the whole, I'd like that never to happen again. Find some other way of showing respect. Americans don't want to see their president showing deference to other leaders.

#47 | Posted by rcade at 2009-11-14 11:52 PM

So you guys think Obama deserves to be bowed to by foreign leaders?

Or just bowed to by everyone?

One of the major Japanese papers wouldn't show a picture of the event since they felt it showed weakness and was an embarrassment.