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Friday, November 13, 2009

Burns calls Rand the "ultimate gateway drug to life on the right." Rand's novels are accessible and seductive, and they sell the delusion that perfect rationality is possible, and that it begets happiness. Conservatives use her to gain new converts but ultimately sideline her ideology.

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Before Rand was Horatio Alger. Righties love their mythology.

More like Corkles drugged as he posts the same thread twice. LOL.

Cmon Cap'n Payback, you can do better than that.

"More like Corkles drugged as he posts the same thread twice. LOL."

Oh poor Corky! Now he won't be able to post something else to the back page today! This is awful.

This is me demonstrating compassion for a Liberal.

"Atlas Shrugged" is back on Amazon's Top 100 list?

Well, this can only mean one thing.

FTA: Rand's popularity has always been cyclical, Burns said during an appearance on The Daily Show in October: It "tends to correlate with political cycles." In other words, the reanimated spirit of Rand appears whenever the Democrats are in power.

Let's hope it stays there fer at least the next 7 years.

Spud found hilarious the fact that so many prominent RW knobs admit to initially glomming onto Rand's socially Darwinistic "philosophy" during an adolescent epiphany.

Explains much does that.

Spud's take on Rand in a nutshell?

Rand is the intellectual forebear and Patron Saint of the Gordon Geckos of this world.

Spud to Rand fans everywhere.

Greed is NOT good.

Selfishness is not inherent.

The world isn't so much run by the rational as by rationalisations.

And the "free hand of the market" has been proven a thief.

Over and over again.

K?

Be Well.

/No, not really here.
//Thx fer askin'.
///"Atlas Drugged" is good one, Corky!

Shoulda been "Selfishness is NOT inherently noble or rational."

Be Well.

More like Corkles drugged as he posts the same thread twice. LOL.

#2 | Posted by The_Chapel at 2009-11-13 12:46 PM

FF!

#6 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2009-11-13 03:14 PM | Reply | Flag: Clowns laughing at each other

#6 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2009-11-13 03:14 PM | Reply | Flag: Clowns laughing at each other

#7 | Posted by Corky at 2009-11-13 03:17 PM | Reply | Flag: Not Very Lucid Today

Shouldn't you be off posting criticisms of every side so you have to take none yourself?

I do see that all it takes for you to line up with a complete Chump is to call you on your asinine remark to me about single payer.

Once a bitch.....

"Shouldn't you be off posting criticisms of every side so you have to take none yourself?"

The beauty of being a "libertarian" is that you never have to defend your candidate's performance in office.

Shouldn't you be off posting criticisms of every side so you have to take none yourself?

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2009-11-13 03:38 PM

I always take a side. What are you talking about?

I do see that all it takes for you to line up with a complete Chump is to call you on your asinine remark to me about single payer.

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2009-11-13 03:38 PM

I thought the comment was funny, had nothing to do with the other thread.

Once a bitch.....

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2009-11-13 03:38 PM

Spare me your life story.

Nulli

At least Kanrei takes a POV. This one likes to bitch about Bush, bitch about Obama, bitch about how people bitch.... but like you say, avoids having to defend a position because he has none.

This AM he has the gall to ask me how I sleep at night because there are Vets on the street and recommends I look into single payer as a solution.... as if he thought of it himself.

What a prick!

So single payer was my position, but I don't take a position?

This one likes to bitch about Bush, bitch about Obama

You binary people are so mundane being unable to recognize the fact that it is possible to dislike a republican AND a democrat at the same time.

Isn't life boring your whole world is always a choice between left or right, up or down, black or white?

I see, a single payer Republican/Libertarian, eh?

More confused than I thought. This ought to be good....

I'm not ideological. I describe my views as libertarian, but don't use that to predetermine what my stance is on any given issue. On healthcare, I happen to think expanding Medicare to a single payer system would've been the best way to go. My description may be off but whatever.

I'm not ideological. I describe my views as libertarian, but don't use that to predetermine what my stance is on any given issue.

#16 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

I'm with you.

Atlas was about the individualistic vs the socialistic. About a persons right to live or die based on his own innate drivers. And to be responsible for those things. I suppose one could call that Darwinistic in a cute daytime tv kind of way (certainly not in an acedemic way).

For those people, I would say, get in line mothers, and stop having opinions, desires and practices that allow you to 'have more' than someone else. Otherwise, you are darwinistic and ultimately worthless to yourself and to society.

The bitch...is...back...

www.gq.com

You know, I was pretty pissed when some poster misconstrued my stance on something the other day, and I'm doing the same to Corky re. H.C. So Corky, I apologize for that. As much fun as it is, I'll try to stop being a prick about it.

#19

If memory serves, someone misrepresented my stance on abortion.

Not a good feeling to be misrepresented about something you feel strongly about, is it?! : )

I have nearly got an MA in English, though I will probably never finish the degree, but I have read quite a bit over the years. Despite many times when I was horribly desperate for something to read I have never read more than a few words of AR when I would crack open one of her books that somehow fell to hand and I would just be instinctively repulsed by it.

#18 nullifidian - thanks for the link. Required reading, and a tour de force of literary criticism.

I see, a single payer Republican/Libertarian, eh?

More confused than I thought. This ought to be good....

Corky, you reject the fact that there could be Republicans who support single payer? Single payer is the only real reform that won't waste billions more. It will also relieve businesses of legacy costs imposed by unions (which would be obsolete with the passage of single payer) and allow US business to be competitive.

That's why Republicans or Libertarians could get behind single payer, but fuck it, if it won't pass with a Liberal President, Liberal Senate, and Democratic House it won't pass ever. As much as it sucks having your party completely out of power it is much shittier knowing that your side lost to a group that doesn't know how to take advantage of power to provide a cornerstone of their political belief system to the American people.

Shoulda been "Selfishness is NOT inherently noble or rational."
#5 | POSTED BY DETHSPUD

Duh. It's built into our survival instinct.

Rand had an valid point when she argued that the State demonizes the tax producers and glorifies the tax consumers. As she might say, "it is the looters and the plunderers who are calling their victims selfish and greedy."

The most devastating blow to Rand's legacy was dealt when former Federal Reserve Chair Alan Greenspan, one of her most illustrious protgs and mastermind of our deflated bubble economy, publicly acknowledged the flaws of free-market ideology.

It was an easy scapegoat for Greenspan since Rand saw the Federal Reserve as an instrument of looting. The Federal Reserve is THE root cause for inflation and the destruction of the dollar.

If you own a home, then inflation is your friend! When I graduate I'll commission into the Air Force and I'll ride COLA all the way through double digit inflation if we see it. I'll use BAH to buy homes at new duty station, and It'll be all good.

Atlas...leeched off uncle sucker.

Yet, astonishingly, he failed to acknowledge that just last year, Ayn Rand's intellectual legitimacy crumbled with America's financial infrastructure. As the root causes of the crisis were successively exposed, from sub-prime mortgage loans to derivatives to credit-default swaps,

The article Corky posted is full of bullshit like the above. Atlas Shrugged was strongly critical of those who used their influence with government to loot and plunder.

Rand had her faults in thinking she had all the answers. But to argue that the current economic crises discredits her positive contributions is bogus. Atlas Shrugged remains popular because it prophetically lays out the inevitable consequences of government interventionism. In simple language, they're fucking around with something they don't understand.

Ray,

It's concerns me deeply that so many folks simply cannot discern wtf Atlas is all about. Maybe they should actually read it. Aside from it being a work of fiction, and a disquised love story, it wasn't even that prophetic. If anything, it was only reporting and dressing up old events (the 2 depressions that had happened in her lifetime) in new modern clothes. What makes it seem prophetic is that our 'not free since 1913 economy' keeps doing the same thing. And for the same reasons, and with the same results.

In a true free market economy, no one gets a bail-out. Is this ideal too hard for people to understand? The 2 philosophies are diametrically opposed to each other.

Just like I said from the beginning, if the banks were allowed to fail (i.e. if the FED had been allowed to fail), we would be free from the non-productive, the corrupt and the looters now.

But noooooooo, in typical american idiot fashion, we believe we can change the meaning of the words 'free market' so that it now means we have one.

Likj in the book, are we starting to address out gov't spending habits? No. Are we spending on credit still? Yes. Are we encouraging poorly run and corrupt banks and corporations to continue? Yes. Are corporations still roaming the halls of congress, dressed as lobbyists, legally bribing our members? Yes. Where is the out-cry for the things that really matter?

Oh, look , Sarah Palin has a birthmark shaped like Queen Victoria, let's write a book about it.

Lipizoidal - man, don't encourage people to read those volumes. People, don't read that shit. The search for truth does not intersect with that bizarre outlandish two thousand pages.

It's concerns me deeply that so many folks simply cannot discern wtf Atlas is all about. Maybe they should actually read it.
#27 | POSTED BY LIPZOIDIAL

Read! These people? (Nullifidian has read Atlas several times) I try to keep my posts on a grammar school level and they still can't get it. The Federal Government is committing crimes against Americans on a scale unprecedented in human history. No matter how I try to explain, they defend it like it was their god.

When this depression hits full force, they won't know what hit them. Fuck em! I'm not their mother.

Well, how 'bout that?

This thread dug up two, count 'em, two Republicans that say they support single payer!

To bad they have no representation in Congress.... other than Dems.

"When this depression hits full force"

That might be 20 years from now, but according to Raystradamus, it will still be, "this depression".

"Fuck em! I'm not their mother."

Not all of them anyway.

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