Hey, Atathedumb, did you read the article? the one you posted says he was "busted". So much for your deluded,"he will not be charged".

Reality and the right....

Reality and the right....

#1 | Posted by northguy3 at 2009-11-11 12:28 PM | Reply

Except he was talking about being charged with a "hate crime", not being charged in general, dummy.

Glad I could help you out, stupid.

McIntyre was released without bail at his arraignment last night. - wonder WHAT he was charged with - should be a hate crime.

"The punch was so loud, the kitchen workers in the back heard it over all the noise," bar back Richie Velez, 28

This guy is a turd. And a racist.

A Friend of mine who works at the District attorneys office explained to me how hate crime laws actually work. I was more than surprised to learn if two people get into a fight and race is a factor the white person is not given any protection under hate crime legislation because they are not deemed to be an oppressed minority. This just does not seem fair that legislation would only single out and protect one group...

Hey, Atathedumb, did you read the article? the one you posted says he was "busted". So much for your deluded,"he will not be charged".

Reality and the right....

#1 | Posted by northguy3

Oh really then you read in the article where he would be charged with a HATE CRIME. Stupidity and the Left...

Doesn't this fit the definition of "hate crime"?

Oops, didn't read the intro, the question has already been proposed.

Northtard,
Where did you go, dummy?

What other Hate Crime cases involved a single punch during a heated discussion.

You need to back your BS up dude. Or admit you just don't like black people.

Either or.

How many punches do you think a man needs in order to put a reportedly small woman down for the count?

Does hate crime legislation state how many punches, if any, need to be thrown?
What if they don't punch somebody but hook them up to the back of a pick-up truck with a chain? Does that not count as a hate crime because no punches were thrown?

I better get the facts straight before I go out and committ any more of them.

Unfortunately he will not be charged as White people are not considered to be an oppressed minority and thus do not have the same rights under Hate crime laws...

Posted by ATaxpayer

White people are treated as second class citizens in this country because they don't stand up for their rights. White people believe that standing up for their rights makes them look racist so they prefer to continue saying "thank you sir, may I have another."

You'd think Joe Biden would be all over this considering he is the father of VAWA, but he is stangely silent. I think the silence speaks volunes.

How many punches do you think a man needs in order to put a reportedly small woman down for the count?

I don't write the Laws Chair.

All I am asking the N****R haters in here is to produce a Hate Crime case that involves one person punching another person one time in the middle of an argument.

Or shut the fuck up and realize they just hate people of color.

It's pretty simple. These fucks are making a big racist deal over this and they are wrong. They just hate black people and found a place to vent their hate.

Or they can prove me wrong. Their choice.

What a bunch of misogynistic Liberals!

What a bunch of misogynistic Liberals!

Which young girl did we rape and kill?

Sorry chairborne, had to do some real work. We can't all live in our mom's basement and cash her welfare checks. Now go cry to RCADE cause I mentioned your mom.

It's pretty simple. These fucks are making a big racist deal over this and they are wrong. They just hate black people and found a place to vent their hate.

Or they can prove me wrong. Their choice.

How exactly does one prove they aren't a racist?

All I am asking the N****R haters in here is to produce a Hate Crime case that involves one person punching another person one time in the middle of an argument.

#13 | Posted by Manypaths

#4

Are you SERIOUS????

That's insane!!

As far as this professor, I sincerely hope he seeks help for his obvious anger management issues a well as his physical vioentness.

He gets a check mark for needing improvement on getting along with others!

She probably deserved it.

Very funny Alex.

"A prominent Columbia architecture professor punched a female university employee in the face at a Harlem bar during a heated argument about race relations"

Sounds like a perfect segment for 'Liberals Gone Wild'.
.

She's right ya know. I looked in Roberts Rules of Order, and no where in there does it say anything about punching the other party to make a point.

Sounds like another great White House Beer opportunity.

Sounds like another great White House Beer opportunity.

#23 | Posted by rightisright at 2009-11-11 06:59 PM

Absolutely...

Another 'Teachable Moment'

How Special
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White people are treated as second class citizens in this country ...#11 | Posted by member2586

You're slipping, Member; I'm sure you meant "white men." You've told us countless times that women are coddled.

You're slipping, Member; I'm sure you meant "white men." You've told us countless times that women are coddled. "

Yeah, coddled by that hated Violence Against Women Act, which seems an odd pet peeve of his.

That was pretty stupid of her to put her face in front of his fist!

That was pretty stupid of her to put her face in front of his fist!

Another case of 'Whitey' putting down the black man!
.

Nice to see so many jokes made about a woman getting punched.

How would you all feel if this was your wife or daughter? Would you still think it's so funny?? Would you still be making the wise cracks??

Or would they suddenly be tasteless?

i smell a beer in the air

Here's the deal as I understand it:
It's about the intention of the action.

If I get mad at my black bro in law over a sports bet and hit him, I did not comit a hate crime.

If I waited around the corner and when my black bro in law comes by I hit him square in the head with a base ball bat cause I cant stand them colords messin with white women at all and speshly not my sister...well, ya see right there, ya prolly have a hate crime.

I'm opposed to all hate crimes and would like to see the designation disappear. Prosecute crimes based on the circumstances, not demographics.

This guy's crime doesn't need the race issue to be prosecuted effectively.

I'm opposed to all hate crimes and would like to see the designation disappear. Prosecute crimes based on the circumstances, not demographics.

#33 | Posted by rcade at 2009-11-11 07:26 PM |

I couldn't agree more

Just charge folks for the appropriate crimes that they have committed.

If there are grievous circumstances involed with the case they can all be taken into account by the judge should the accused be found guilty.
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How exactly does one prove they aren't a racist?

#16 | Posted by IraqiBukkake at 2009-11-11 06:40 PM | Reply | Flag: Cheer for the uppity black guy who decked the little white chick for disagreeing with him about racial privilege I guess.

He sho nuff is one obstreperous boyya!!

I just hate hate crimes.

Oops.

I said hate.

Eric holder, attorney general: "essentially a nation of cowards"---"we average Americans simplydo not talk enough with each other about race." OOPS, the liberal white lady listened to Eric and the liberal black guy probably didn't want to hear her honest thoughts but instead wanted the usual politically correct patronizing verbiage. So much for Eric's suggestion--- back to being cowards.

And Lisa, If it was my wife or daughter, just ask Montecore what I do with punks like that!

Erics Holders dat dar attowny genrul just don't realizes how uppity some dem folks gets whens dey be talksin about dem dair race relations!

I'm unsuccessfully trying to channel Tiny Elvis here. Damn I am such an amateur!

Tiny E.

Come Back!!!!

Come on, you don't think the paternalistic guilt ridden white officials will charge a black man with hate crimes? They need to treat black people with kid gloves because they treat them like little children that need guidance not punishment. Its passive racism.

What other Hate Crime cases involved a single punch during a heated discussion.

You need to back your BS up dude. Or admit you just don't like black people.

Either or.

#9 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-11-11 02:42 PM | Reply | Flag: Fucking racist scumbag hypocrite.

From the Anne Frank thread:

Jesus Christ, Manypaths, I always knew you were an asshole but I never really realized that you were a Jew hating Nazi as well. What a pathetic human being you are.

#176 | Posted by everlong at 2009-11-11 03:34 PM | Reply | Flag

Manypaths likes hanging out with Jessie Jackson in Hymie town.

#33--- Rcade, you're right on about that comment--- one of the stupidest things I've ever seem is this hate crime designation--- in fact I may be wrong but I remember a few years ago listening to someone on the air connected with the stats that said if a hispanic committed a hate crime he was placed under the white category, however if the hispanic was the receiver then he was a minority. Could be wrong about this.

This whole politically correct movement of the past so many years have now brought us to this point where certain groups are given preferential rights and not held to the same standards that everyone else is.

The other patron involved in the dispute said McIntyre then took a swing at him after he yelled, "You don't hit a woman!"

S'rsly.

Spud woulda punched this obnoxious Prof so hard he wouldn't have woken up till spring break.

How did this turn into a hate crime thread?

The very idea of hate crime is essentially discriminatory in and of itself hence it's more counter productive than productive.

Creates more problems than it solves.

"Equality under the law" means just that.

Be Well.

Amen Dethspud!

If a Skihk attacks a Paki in downtown Vancouver they do not charge him with a hatecrime!!!

Manypaths:

I realize now I am not a racist. I do not hate black nazi's anymore or any less than I hate white nazi's!

But its funny.
Until you came along I did not realize that Nazi's accept blacks into their party. That is news to me.

You all need to check this shit out Manypaths posted yesterday about a 13 year old girl who died of typhus in a concentration camp, and then read his shit above here. You are a said excuse for a human being Manypaths.

Quote:
I have always wondered why we Americans were forced to read the 'Story' of a poor little Jewish girl who the Germans treated so badly.

Then I realized it was all made up by the Zionists and they are still getting away with it today.

Force Feed that shit into the minds of American school kids so they can all pity the poor jews.

Those Zionists are ruthless fucking bastards, but they are fucking smart.

They got their Country didn't they?

"Cui Bono" folks.

#10 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-11-10 03:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

manypaths

what a fucking tool.

manypaths spews rampant hate speech, then accuses everyone else of being racist. you poor little victim.

The very idea of hate crime is essentially discriminatory in and of itself hence it's more counter productive than productive. -- #45 | Posted by dethspud

You may be right about the second part -- that hate crime laws are counter-productive.

The first part is tricky. Sure, the idea of a hate crime is discriminatory in the sense that it treats some racial groups differently than others. But some racial groups experience certain crimes differently than others. Lynching and cross-burning are obvious examples. They don't just victimize a particular individual; they terrorize a larger group. Can you even think of a crime that's as clearly anti-white (vs. against a particular individual) as these crimes are obviously anti-black?

I share your concern that hate crime laws may be counter-productive. But I don't think it makes sense to argue that the law should be color-blind when history hasn't been.

This Mr. McIntyre, an apparently educated adult, certainly lacks coping skills. He took a verbal exchange to a physical level. His tirade bespeaks his mindset. He is an angry man who has learned very little from his professorial education. Also, he's an abusive, racist, jerk-off. I hope he is punished accordingly.

Isn't being a woman a protected class of victimhood?

He's a turd--maybe Obama will have a beer summit with him and the victim.

I also hope that Miss Davis makes a statement about what happened. I hope she doesn't file the assault charges as a hate crime. Mr. McIntyre obviously hated Miss Davis just prior to, and during the instant of, his assault upon her. If Miss Davis can 'take the high road' she may use her public platform to decry the legalities of hate crime law. An assault is an assault; sometimes aggravating circumstances apply. If our society continues to use special interest circumstances to offer explanation of the reasoning behind a perpetrators crime it may create a lessening of the crime itself. The hate factor is pretty much a given in this type of criminal act.

Oh well. The prof will lose his job no doubt.

But I'm sure Louis Farrakan could find a place in his burgeoning business of racial hate.

ok let me see if i have this right. a man hit a woman because of race. sounds like a hate crime.

#13 Manypasts: "It's pretty simple. These fucks are making a big Racist deal over this and they are wrong. They just hate black people and found a place to vent their hate".

Manypasts, your own words sounds plain enough that you are the one who wants to vent your Racist Pride and Hate, so you got no right to do so.

what are you getting so Racially hot and hostile about for anyway, it was the sorry black ass Racist SOB that hit the White woman like the sorry ass shit that he is, the woman didn't hit him, dumb ass.

And it is Racially biased and Racially discriminating as hell for O"Loudmouth to pass a Racist law that discriminats against Whites, and protects blacks and queers under an unfair and unjust, and Racially Discriminating Hate law and you got no right to bitch and accuse anybody, so now you show your true colors boy...

*Reporter's note: This case seems to represent yet another example of the double-standard being applied across the country in relation to so-called hate crimes. By all accounts, McIntyre's alleged assault was a completely unprovoked attack, brought on by his own stated anger against white people.

Is it such a leap to think that if the race of the attacker and victims were reversed, that law enforcement would at least be considering hate crimes charges?

Maybe he was just trying to exercise his PIMP HAND. Shooo, it was just an ole cracker anyway, noooo problem.

Yes, I support 3 strikes and you're dead!

don't hate the player. hate the game.

How many punches do you think a man needs in order to put a reportedly small woman down for the count?

It might not even take an actual punch but merely a very hard smack to knock a woman "down for the count" -- or even knock her out cold. And that would apply to almost any average-sized woman -- not just one merely small in stature.

I imagine it would depend where on her body she was hit -- such a very hard open-handed smack by a man to the side of her head could possibly knock her out cold.

Men don't realize they have three times the upper body strength of a woman.

RIGHTISRIGHT;

Your right. Only this time they should pour Guinness from a black can.

just like always, blackey keeping the white man down!

i offer this link as proof. see the white man not allowed to sit in the chairs?

"Nice to see so many jokes made about a woman getting punched...How would you all feel if this was your wife or daughter? Would you still think it's so funny?? Would you still be making the wise cracks??...Or would they suddenly be tasteless?"

Lisa, Lisa, Lisa...

If a woman becomes offensive to a degree that would get a man justifiably punched (which I don't think happened in this case), then I say punch her. Equal is equal; I'm tired of seeing so-called "liberated" women try to do things men can't get away with and then playing the vagina card.

Any woman not wishing to be punched has the option of being less offensive. So, for that matter, do men.

"Any woman not wishing to be punched has the option of being less offensive"

Amen, Mary.

--OJ Simpson

Nullandvoidian:

Evidently, we're well into today's edition of Miss That Point!, starring your obtuse self.

I don't advocate unprovoked violence at all, not against women and not against anyone else. However, if a woman does or says something that would provoke violence if done or said by a man, then I say it's equal-opportunity time. Men have the option to avoid that kind of fracas by playing nice, and so do women. There are too many women today - especially in the business world - who confuse being mega-assholes with being powerful.

So does this mean she's not gonna pass his class?

"Lisa, Lisa, Lisa...

If a woman becomes offensive to a degree that would get a man justifiably punched (which I don't think happened in this case), then I say punch her."

Mary, Mary, Mary....

"Justifiably punched?"

Because she had the audacity to disagree with this man?

" Equal is equal"

Did she punch him first??

"I'm tired of seeing so-called "liberated" women try to do things men can't get away with and then playing the vagina card."

I hardly think that having a punch thrown at you and not tolerating violence is playing the "vagina card".

"Any woman not wishing to be punched has the option of being less offensive. So, for that matter, do men."

I think what scares me the most about you "Mary", is that you claim not to advocate violence but everything you have typed says otherwise.

This man had a choice. He could have chose to walk away and keep his hands to himself.

I hope he loses his job since you never know when a student might challenge him or disagree with him and he's obviously not capable of making correct decisions nor is he capable of self control.

He needs to get help with his anger management issues.

Oh...excuse me. I need to correct myself.

"unprovoked violence " is what you stated.

So, women should be seen and not heard. Women should never disagree with a man. Women should never voice their own opinion.

I see the difference now Mary.

THOSE are the times you would consider violence is "justifiable" because she "PROVOKED" the man into hitting her.

Gotcha.

I'm begining to see similarities between you and the man in question.

"after an another Columbia employee accused him of punching her in the eye "

This happened BEFORE??

BTW...one would think a journalist would have better skills in writing. "An another"???

Sorry chairborne...
#15 | Posted by northguy3 at 2009-11-11 05:06 PM | Reply

Don't be sorry, just don't be so fucking stupid and I won't have to kick you around all of the time.
You know, just like I said on that other thread. How's it taste, gramps?

"All I am asking the N****R haters in here is to produce a Hate Crime case that involves one person punching another person one time in the middle of an argument."

There are racist on both sides of the coin. When I was in college, being a quality athlete and white who played football, I was the minority on my team. I can remember a party I went to and was the only white guy there. Some trash off my own team(out of staters from South carolina) had some drinks and decided they were gonna fight me. They circled me at the party and started saying it was time to do some Kracka bashing. If it wasn't for my friends(who were black) who stepped in front of them and said you fight him, you fight us I would have been a victim of a hate crime. I don't give a fuck if your majority or minority if your a victim based solely on your skin color or sexual preference or gender, then you are a victim of a hate crime, period!

P.S. What really got under their skin was the fact that my gf there was black!!

LM

OWS's sister has very poor judgement. I bet the family would rather she be gay.

Any woman not wishing to be punched has the option of being less offensive. -- #65 | Posted by MaryTylerWhore

#76 | Posted by Phoenix
Oops; posted that before getting the relevant quote in:

Words alone, no matter how insulting or provocative, do not justify an assault or battery against the person who utters the words.

"Words alone, no matter how insulting or provocative, do not justify an assault or battery against the person who utters the words."

I agree. I've had this discussion a hundred times. You'd be surprised how many people do not share that point of view.

You'd be surprised how many people do not share that point of view. -- #78 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine

Scary. I quoted a legal source. Not only is there no legal justification for punching someone in response to a verbal offense, you can be charged with assault just for threatening to punch someone in response to a verbal offense.

Only cowards are afraid of getting punched. This woman should have struck him back.

If a woman becomes offensive to a degree that would get a man justifiably punched (which I don't think happened in this case), then I say punch her.

Spud gets wot yer saying about women wanting equality when it suits them then wanting preferential treatment as women when it doesn't being a maddening phenomenon but disagree that there are words which when used justify violence.

No word no matter wot it's emotional weight or impact justifies taking it to a physical level.

Not "C*nt" not "N*gg*r", not "F*g". nothing.

There are too many women today - especially in the business world - who confuse being mega-assholes with being powerful.

True that but that's also true of a lot of guys in the business world too.

A women in the business world trying to out-asshole the assholes is playing a mugs game.

That all sed and understood Spud lives by the credo that a real man never raises his hand to a women in anger.

/Spanking, otoh, is a horse of a different color
//Mostly pinkish! ^_^
///TMI?

Be Well.

If she was a fat blonde he most likely would have fucked her instead.

"There are too many women today - especially in the business world - who confuse being mega-assholes with being powerful."

Funny story. A friend of mine is a pharmacist, a drug rep and an actor. One day he was at an audition. He got there early and when the casting director wasn't there yet, he ran to the bathroom. when he came out, she was sitting there and he came up to her and introduced himself.

"You missed your appointment," she said.

"what are you talking about? Its 2:00."

"My watch says 2:02"

"My watch says 2:00 on the dot. I've been here for 15 minutes and when I didn't see you I ran to the bathroom."

"I was calling your name for 5 minutes"

"Impossible. I wasn't even gone 2 minutes."

"I was calling your name for 5 minutes. Goodbye. Next?!"

"Jeez, lady, why do you have to be such a bitch?"

"Go to hell, you misogynist."

"Whoa, whoa, whoa, lady! (stepping back and defensively holding up his hands) I didn't say anything about giving you a massage!"

The entire room erupted in laughter, including the assistant casting director.

He got the audition, but not the part.

When he told me this story, he started out with a question.

"What's a misogynist?"

I looked at him stone faced. The guy is a licensed pharmacist and a drug rep making low to mid six figures depending, and a homosexual to boot, and he doesn't know what that word means.

Oh well.

"A Friend of mine who works at the District attorneys office explained to me how hate crime laws actually work. I was more than surprised to learn if two people get into a fight and race is a factor the white person is not given any protection under hate crime legislation because they are not deemed to be an oppressed minority."

I didn't know it was official, I just thought that is the way they are enforced. Either way, hate crime laws are illogical and racially divisive.

The professor is obvioulsy a racist who can't sit at a bar with a white person and have a few drinks without babbbling racist nonsense and getting angry when people tell him he's wrong. But I actually don't believe that punching a woman in the face because you are a racsit idiot is any worse than punching a woman in the face because you want to see her fall over or because you want her purse so it doesn't bother me that he wasn't charged with a hate crime.

Hag,

That is hilarious!

"I agree. I've had this discussion a hundred times. You'd be surprised how many people do not share that point of view."

Why is it so surprising? I can spend all day thinking of scenarios where a bigmouth gets punched and totally deserves it. People were alot more considerate of others back in the days when there was the threat of getting punched for being a total asshole. Now we have people walking around who feel perfectly entitled to annoy and generally cause grief for others because they think its fun and they know that the law will back them up. You can even make a career of it on TV or radio. And the reason why one stands to lose their life's savings for hitting someone who practically begged for it in the first place has nothing to do with right and wrong and everything to do with the attorneys who make our laws wanting to encourage as many suits as possible.

All crime is hate crime. The constitution quite clearly states we are equal in our liberty, as well as guilt.
Hate crime designation essentially removes the equal protection, equal representation clause.
I will admit the tax laws of this nation have been doing just that for some time now.

Always looking for new ways to divide the masses while fucking them all up the ass simultaneously.

#87 | Posted by Sully

A-fucking-Men.

Our bullshit PC culture protects inflammatory assholes.

We would be SO better off if we adopted old-time hockey code-of-conduct. Just this past weekend my dad was prattling on about a chronic cheap-shot artist getting his ass kicked, big-time, by Gordie Howe and that his bruised face and mis-shapen nose made the cover of Sports Illustrated a long time ago.

The thing is, this guy (His name escapes me) was universally-hated and when Howe wrapped his jersey over his head, the usual protocol was for the linesman to break up the fight. However, this asshole was SO hated, the linesman allowed Howe to wail away. My Father-in-law attended that game at the Olympia and he likened the blows levied by Howe to the sound of chopping wood.

Very gruesome - but, sadly, justice served.

While I respect free speech to the nth degree, I also respect, to a certain degree, the enforcement aspect of controlling ridiculously-offensive behavior and speech.

Here's what's really funny_

The greatest honor in all of hockey - the Gordie Howe Hatrick (a goal, an assist and a fight) was only achieved by Gordie himself once.

The last Red Wing to achieve this lofty achievement was Brendan Shanahan.

I posted it when it happened and Tater-boy beamed with respect - only a true hockey-fan can appreciate the signifigance of such an event.

Our bullshit PC culture protects inflammatory assholes. -- #89 | Posted by JeffJ

No, you are free to respond verbally.

You guys have a point, though, if you're arguing that the law leaves brawny idiots more defenseless than they'd be without it.

You guys have a point, though, if you're arguing that the law leaves brawny idiots more defenseless than they'd be without it.

#91 | Posted by Phoenix at 2009-11-12 10:49 AM | Reply | Flag: Clearly has High School issues

All I am asking the N****R haters in here is to produce a Hate Crime case that involves one person punching another person one time in the middle of an argument.

Or shut the fuck up and realize they just hate people of color.

It's pretty simple. These fucks are making a big racist deal over this and they are wrong. They just hate black people and found a place to vent their hate.

#13 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-11-11 04:40 PM

THE ABOVE COMMENT REALLY SPEAKS FOR IT'SELF...

Hate Crime laws sound good on the surface but in practice only serve to divide people along racial lines as the law does not provide the same protection to people that are "Not deemed to have minority status". Ironically enforcing such laws mandates we must discriminate as to which group will receive more or less protection. Hate Crime laws need to be removed from the books as being archaic and discriminatory, instead charge people who commit crimes evenly without race being a factor and sentence them accordingly...

Dodd is just trying to cover his dirty ass. He is one of the people to blame for our economic troubles. We don't forget about that.

#19 | Posted by member2586 at 2009-11-12 10:41 AM |

What is it about so called prominent Ivy League professors accusing or attacking white people under the guise of premeditated racism? One is too stupid to know why a cop would show up, the other is too stupid to know you don't hit a woman. Another teachable moment?

What is it about so called prominent Ivy League professors accusing or attacking white people under the guise of premeditated racism? One is too stupid to know why a cop would show up, the other is too stupid to know you don't hit a woman. Another teachable moment?

#94 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2009-11-12 11:02 AM

Obvious fuck up about Dodd pasting from other thread...

#17 | Posted by Redman

You do see your error don't you?

"produce a Hate Crime case that involves one person punching another person one time in the middle of an argument.

"The 250 pound West was angered and was heard yelling out racial slurs to the woman and started to beat her in front of her 7-year old daughter. He threw her to the ground and hit her in the head with his fists and feet."

You see, it's not the same is it?

#92 | Posted by Sully at 2009-11-12 10:52 AM | Reply | Flag: Clearly a Brawny Idiot.

Now see how easy that was? You try to insult me, I insult you back. No need for punching!

"Clearly a Brawny Idiot."

You're half right. I'm not very big.

"Now see how easy that was? You try to insult me, I insult you back. No need for punching!"

I haven't punched anyone in a very long time nor has anyone wanted to hit me in a long time - that I know about at least. I generally dislike people who try to physically intimidate others and that's not what I'm talking about here. I'm talking about the infrequent but not too rare situations we've all seen where some obnoxious ass crosses all sorts of lines trying to cause grief for someone else for no other reason than his own amusement and everyone is thinking "Someone should shut that ass up." In that situation, the guy should get beaten. The potential for a punch in the mouth has its place like everything else and removing it from our society has had negative consequences.

"Clearly a Brawny Idiot."

You're half right. I'm not very big.

:-)

I haven't punched anyone in a very long time nor has anyone wanted to hit me in a long time - that I know about at least. -- #98 | Posted by Sully

Well, I can half-match that. Haven't punched anyone since I gave my brother a black eye when we were kids. (He started it!) Bad enough that I gave him a black eye. Worse that he admitted at school that his sister did it.

I think the only people who might want to hit me are other bloggers, but there may be a lot of them.

You do see your error don't you?

"produce a Hate Crime case that involves one person punching another person one time in the middle of an argument.

"The 250 pound West was angered and was heard yelling out racial slurs to the woman and started to beat her in front of her 7-year old daughter. He threw her to the ground and hit her in the head with his fists and feet."

You see, it's not the same is it?

#96 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-11-12 11:11 AM

So what you are saying is it's ok to beat on her a little (especially if she deserved it) and the Hate Crime would only come into play if he beat on her extensively as opposed to just a simple smack down. Then you quantify this with an example of what a real beat down would be

Please tell me I have misunderstood your post...

Atax - You're aruing with someone who is calling other people racists while sticking up for an obvious racist who punched a woman in the face.

If an explanation is forthcoming, I doubt it is going to increase your understanding any.

Thanks Sully: I read his post over and over several times thinking I must have misinterpreted him somehow. I think your assessment of manypaths comments must be correct Unbelievable

What I am saying is that there is a difference between punching someone in the face one time in the middle of an argument and beating them.

Yes, I am saying there is a difference when it comes to considering the severity of the crime.

And still, not one person has provided a Hate Crime case that involves someone getting punched in the middle of an argument regardless of the skin color of the person who through the punch.

Had this guy started beating this woman, then I can see an escaltion in charges, but that's not the case. Assult? sure. Hate Crime? no, it was just assult and the guy should pay for it.

And guess whose side reality is on?

"THOSE are the times you would consider violence is "justifiable" because she "PROVOKED" the man into hitting her...Gotcha...I'm begining to see similarities between you and the man in question."

Lisa, dolling:

I've been meaning to mention this for quite some time:

I really think you need to call in a plumber and have a pressure relief valve installed somewhere on your person. You're gonna blow one of these days, honey, and I ain't referring to fellatio.

Spud comes closest to getting my drift. I don't condone violence, don't actually condone punching anyone under any circumstances. But I do not believe that simply being female is a free pass on anything whatsoever. You put yourself into a situation by your actions or words, then you can effin'-A take the consequences in good old gender-neutral fashion. Spuddie means well, but his assertion that one should never hit a woman - simply because she's a she - is offensive to me. One should never hit anyone, and simple possession of a cooter has not a single thing to do with it.

"and simple possession of a cooter has not a single thing to do with it."

Is possession of a cooter ever simple?

he will not be charged as White people are not considered to be an oppressed minority and thus do not have the same rights under Hate crime laws

Aside from whether he will be charged with a hate crime and whether that is right or wrong, your statement is one of the most ignorant I have seen on the subject. Hate crime laws do not specify only certain races that are "protected." The laws typically state that being selected as the victim of a crime because of your race constitutes a hate crime - not because of only certain races.

LOL

You crack me up Mary!

You seem to think that you anger or frustrate me. I can assure you, you don't. When I cap words it's just to emphasize then, not shouting them out.

Kanrei misunderstood that also at one time.

Most often I sit here very calmly when posting....laughing most of the time.

Once again you state that your not condoning violence, this time adding "one should never hit anyone"....yet in your fist post you state differently.

Yawn.

Aside from whether he will be charged with a hate crime and whether that is right or wrong, your statement is one of the most ignorant I have seen on the subject. Hate crime laws do not specify only certain races that are "protected." The laws typically state that being selected as the victim of a crime because of your race constitutes a hate crime - not because of only certain races.

#107 | Posted by JOE at 2009-11-12 01:29 PM

Then you must have a myriad of links to demonstrate Black people have been charged with hate crimes. As for my statement concerning a Hate crime Law being invoked that came straight from the district attorneys office who stated the victim must be considered "an oppressed minority" clearly white people do not fall into the proper classification under hate crimes legislation. I would like to see any link that shows Black people being charged with a Hate Crime...

Then you must have a myriad of links to demonstrate Black people have been charged with hate crimes.

Whether they are actually charged with hate crimes is a separate issue. Your claim was that white people do not have the same rights under hate crime laws. Go read a hate crime law. You are wrong.

Saddest story I can think of in regards to this scenario and it's 100% factual. In October of 2005 I moved back to Texas. I was in my office on teh second day of being in town when two of my female co-workers(both in their 50's) belted out, is he hitting her? I went to the window they were looking out of and out on I-10 on the exit ramp were a couple engaged in a fight. From what I could see, there was a man hitting a woman repeatedly in the face. As I ran out the door and down four flights of stairs I wondered if anyone had called police. I ran by the security desk in my building and told them call teh police and flew outta teh door. I got to the man and he was still wailing away on her(she had been getting punched for at least 30 seconds), I grabbed him by his neck and yanked him out of the car. He immediately turned aqround and swung on me. I hit the guy three times, the first put him on his back, the second left his front tooth in my right index finger and the third turned out his lights. No sooner than he hit the ground than I was tackled from behind by two police officers. They cuffed me and slammed me into their vehicle, that is when security from my front desk arrived. He told them what I did (the woman spoke no english)and they let me go. When I got bavck into my office the first thing outta the mouths in there was, "that is a good way to get killed". I responded with, "how would you feel if you sat and watched that woman beat to death, it's a cause I would lose my life over"! Somew people just need a good ass whooping!!

LM

Wow. You must be a really tough guy.

"Is possession of a cooter ever simple?"

Only when Bo and Luke ask Daisy to bend over in front of him, then he is owned pretty easily!!

LM

I have a new found respect for you, LM.

Not that I didn't before that story, but some how "I'm proud of you for doing that" sounds too condescending.

What I am saying is that there is a difference between punching someone in the face one time in the middle of an argument and beating them.

#103 | Posted by Manypaths

Your argument is still the same: Had he smacked her around a little more and maybe said honkey once or twice then a Hate Crime charge might apply.

But he was arguing about "White Privilege" got pissed and only smacked her once. I see do you really believe the shit you post...

Wow! I used to think you were a pussy until you told that story! Now I'm going to stear clear of you, Mr!
I'm sorry for ever having told you how fucking stupid you are. Next time I'll just keep it to myself!

You have a good day, sir, and thank you for being so awesome.

"And guess whose side reality is on?"

By that standard, he was right to hit this broad in the face because it happened so reality is on his side.

#120 | Posted by 101Chairborne

Beats his wife with urine.

Hope I don't act like Chairborne when I'm a 40+ old man like him

You are wrong.

#113 | Posted by JOE at 2009-11-12 02:20 PM

So it would seem by the Myriad of links provided I am still reading them and wondering why the district attorneys office in our county thinks only an "oppressed minority" can be the victim of a hate crime...

#111 | Posted by 101Chairborne

#112 | Posted by Danforth

#114 | Posted by JOE

Thanks for the links I admit I was indeed wrong...

Thanks for the links I admit I was indeed wrong...

Nah, not indeed, Taxpayer, only in words. ;-)

Man, I sure must have owned you under your previous handle. You seem awfully hurt, wittle man.
Maybe you could curl up next to your siste...nah. How about your moth...Nope, not her either!
wink wink, colonel.

"And guess whose side reality is on?"

By that standard, he was right to hit this broad in the face because it happened so reality is on his side.

#121 | Posted by Sully

Huh? I was talking about the reality of what he was charged with. Assult.

#125 | Posted by 101Chairborne

Yeah, I noticed that too. Has he refered to you as 'Daddy' yet?

Man, I sure must have owned you under your previous handle. You seem awfully hurt, wittle man.

#125 | Posted by 101Chairborne

Don't get too excited 101 I said I was wrong NOT I will be your bitch...

Damn Smart ass...

Yeah, I noticed that too. Has he refered to you as 'Daddy' yet?

#127 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-11-12 03:02 PM

Manypaths is still wrong but does not have enough BALLS to admit it...

So you can call me Daddy ...

BOY...

I think you're being a little high on yourself there Tax. I am willing to bet both Chair and I were referring to his new little shadow that is NEXTLEVELUP.

Don't mean to leave you out, but your acceptence of being wrong above buys you some slack in my book and I made a point of not jumping on you for it. You manned up all on your own and that's cool.

But nothing was directed to you in my last post. Sorry about that.

Manypaths is still wrong but does not have enough BALLS to admit it...

And what am I wrong about exactly?

And what am I wrong about exactly?

#131 | Posted by Manypaths

Everything.

:-)

Oh.

Well that's different.

"Huh? I was talking about the reality of what he was charged with. Assult."

I think you went overboard when you accused people who say this guy should be charged with a hate crime of being racist. The prof is a racist who punched someone else in the face for not agreeing with his negative view of her race. Even if you think he shouldn't be charged with a hate crime (which is the side I'm on because I don't believe hate crime laws make any sense), you have to at least see why others would think he should.

But in that last post, I was only messing with you. I always claim that Reality is my side and was a little pissed you used my line.

And what am I wrong about exactly?

#131 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-11-12 03:17 PM

>>>>>>>>>>

"The 250 pound West was angered and was heard yelling out racial slurs to the woman and started to beat her in front of her 7-year old daughter. He threw her to the ground and hit her in the head with his fists and feet."

You see, it's not the same is it?

#96 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-11-12 11:11 AM

So what you are saying is it's ok to beat on her a little (especially if she deserved it) and the Hate Crime would only come into play if he beat on her extensively as opposed to just a simple smack down. Then you quantify this with an example of what a real beat down would be

Please tell me I have misunderstood your post...

#100 | Posted by ATaxpayer

Atax - You're aruing with someone who is calling other people racists while sticking up for an obvious racist who punched a woman in the face.

If an explanation is forthcoming, I doubt it is going to increase your understanding any.

#101 | Posted by Sully at 2009-11-12 12:39 PM

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Man, I sure must have owned you under your previous handle. You seem awfully hurt, wittle man.

#125 | Posted by 101Chairborne

Na. You'd have to have respect. No respect for a lying 40 year old moron like you

You don't "own anyone". That's your fantasy old man

#136 | Posted by NEXTLEVELUP at 2009-11-12 03:28 PM

AHHH I thought 101 and manypaths were rubbing salt in the wound and now it turns out they were both talking to NEXTLEVELUP...
I hate it when that happens...

Oh I agree the Prof is a racist. He more or less admits it doesn't he? But that doesn't make this a hate crime.

"The question is will the Black professor be charged with a hate crime. Unfortunately he will not be charged as White people are not considered to be an oppressed minority and thus do not have the same rights under Hate crime laws..."

But to say that isn't a racist statement is wrong. That statement has nothing to do with the fact that single punch altercations aren't considered hate crimes. Taxpayer bases his question on the color of peoples' skin in a "WHITES AGAINST BLACKS" kind of way. And he now knows that blacks are charged with hate crimes and his question only displays his contempt for skin color and how people are treated based on that color.

And he's wrong.

#137 | Posted by ATaxpayer

No salt in wounds after the poster mans up like you did. Should be a rule.

No salt in wounds after the poster mans up like you did. Should be a rule.

#139 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-11-12 03:39 PM

Agreed, I still can't beleive I mistook both of your posts for parting shots, too funny. When looking back it was obvious you were refering to NEXTLEVELUP...

Hasta Laredooo...

Later Tax

Ata,
I thought you were jagging around in #128, so I didn't bother to clarify.

next,
I've absolutely destroyed a number of losers like you over my years here. In fact, most recently I caught AmericanUnity posting lies (while also crying about his dead mother and sister), and busted him using another handle where he claimed he was a Colonel. What a loser, right?
Anyway, he ran away, but everyone knows he couldn't stay away. You see, he, like you, had the Chairborne Flu.
Wait a minute...
Why you old salt! How ya been?

#142 | Posted by 101Chairborne

Funny especially the story about AU. #128 was just perfect timing I thought both of you were busting my balls, too funny...

Hasta Laredooo...

"Wow. You must be a really tough guy."

I like to believe that the 18 years of ass kickings my two older brothers made me a lil bit tough.

Being 6'2" 195lbs and built like a greek fucking god doesn't hurt either!! Only kidding on the greek god crap, but I am in very good shape. Good enough shape that I train people at the gym in my free time.

"I have a new found respect for you, LM.

Not that I didn't before that story, but some how "I'm proud of you for doing that" sounds too condescending."

It wouldn't have come across that way to me, I am not one to shy away from a compliment!! That's the "single mom" effect I believe on my upbringing. I could never watch someone do that to a woman or child, I have to intervene.

"Wow! I used to think you were a pussy until you told that story! Now I'm going to stear clear of you, Mr!
I'm sorry for ever having told you how fucking stupid you are. Next time I'll just keep it to myself!"

Sarcasm noted sir!

LM

It sounds to me, if they were actually arguing about white privilege then the black guy does have a thing against white people. He was the one who was, obviously, arguing that whites have certain privileges. If that's the case I don't see how it couldn't be a hate crime. The guy obviously has something against white people if he's arguing that point. Just one more double standard to add to the list.

A Friend of mine who works at the District attorneys office explained to me how hate crime laws actually work. I was more than surprised to learn if two people get into a fight and race is a factor the white person is not given any protection under hate crime legislation because they are not deemed to be an oppressed minority. This just does not seem fair that legislation would only single out and protect one group...

It would seem that taking that approach would violate the "Equal protection clause" of the Constitution and the 14th amendment of the "Bill of Rights."

However, ANY man that punches a woman in the face should be severely punished. There is no excuse for a man to strike an unarmed woman for any reason! That jerk needs to have a close encounter with BUBBA...

" There is no excuse for a man to strike an unarmed woman for any reason! That jerk needs to have a close encounter with BUBBA..."

There are several instances where a woman can be hit....the fat bitch who weighed 300lbs and sat on the skinny guy as she robbed him and killed him, should have been punched in the face. If a woman comes at you with a gun/knife, tire iron or as many out here like to use... a car antennae, then yes hit that bitch in the face. If I had kids and a woman grabbed one and tried to abduct them, I am gonna hit the shit out of her. In the rare case where a woman attacks me with an attic hook, well then I am gonna hit her like this....

There are several instances where a woman can be hit....

Well maybe.

But this was not one of them.

What would happen if...

...this had been a white Professor punching a black women?

Like warm water feeds the hurricane, Al Sharpton would be goose-stepping his lard ass in front of the University demanding penance for the "obvious hate crime". Eric Holder would promise to "get to the bottom of this very troubling racial incident".

What's left? Why do black people, especially "educated" ones, seem to hate the color of their own skin so much?

As for me, I will simply continue to laugh...

Hey Charlie, the signs are telling me that you might have been right all along. there is no other solution.

If Obama is willing to discuss the arrest of a black prof at his home in a national speech. Should he not come out and condemn this. Or does this sort of thing just not concern him since its black on white. He is on TV every other day.

There is no excuse for a man to strike an unarmed woman for any reason! -- #145 | Posted by Vancouver_Bob

Self-defense is a legitimate justification regardless of gender.

"If Obama is willing to discuss the arrest of a black prof at his home in a national speech. Should he not come out and condemn this. Or does this sort of thing just not concern him since its black on white. He is on TV every other day."

Slight difference, how does Obama know this guy? He actually knew the other prof, but not this one to my knowledge, so there is a distinct difference......got it?

LM

Given that 'Lionel' had to resort to violence it's obvious he had already lost the argument.....

Dude got a snootfull and let his racism, elitism and piss poor manners got the best of him. I hope the "rescuers" got in a few good licks before the local PD hemmed him up, and they put it to him to the full extent...

Getting punched in the face isn't all that bad; usually happens over beers, and real fellas just have another beer once the "dissagreement" is resolved. Now punching a gal (previous exceptions noted), well, that just isn't cricket.

I bounced some rough bars in Florida and Montana and I've seen guys beat the beejeezus out of fools who smacked a gal. We usually broke it up, then moved the fool to the parking lot with his newfound buddy (or buddies). Poetic justice without a hint of PC, I love it! In Florida there usually was a deputy sitting close by though, so not so much...

Of course obama doesn't know this guy. The media will downplay it as an "unfortunate incident' where as the other one was national news, which this one would have been if it was a white man punching a black woman. In that case it'd be lead story on every news network in the country.
The black 'activists'(who aren't racists) would be calling for his job
White privelage? how about black privelage?
30 years ago he'd be mending a broken jaw(at least)
50 years ago he wouldn't even be a professor nor would he be allowed into the bar.
I guess he's just pissed off that obama is only half black