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Tuesday, November 10, 2009

Overuse of antibiotics in Europe is building widespread resistance and threatening to halt vital medical treatments such as hip replacements, intensive care for premature babies and cancer therapies, health experts say.

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It is happening here in the US too. Mu daughter's boy friend gets everything that comes along because his mother took him in for a shot everytime something came along. He never built any natural defenses as he was growing up.

It is happening here in the US too. Mu daughter's boy friend gets everything that comes along because his mother took him in for a shot everytime something came along. He never built any natural defenses as he was growing up.

#1 | Posted by Sniper

Most of the antibiotic exposure we get comes from the foods we eat, especially beef.


It is happening here in the US too. Mu daughter's boy friend gets everything that comes along because his mother took him in for a shot everytime something came along. He never built any natural defenses as he was growing up.

#1 | Posted by Sniper at 2009-11-10 11:33 AM


Your daughter dates the Bubble Boy?

I can vouch. My daughter was bitten by a neighbor's dog last week, a frightening but all in all fairly minor bite, and the doctor prescribed antibiotic "just in case." I didn't feel qualified to argue, but jeez... and this comes a few months after her last ear infection, which was treated with antibiotic...

And no, we're not speaking to the neighbors right now, since we had warned them THREE TIMES to keep their dog out of our yard as it was stalking my kids.

And no, we're not speaking to the neighbors right now, since we had warned them THREE TIMES to keep their dog out of our yard as it was stalking my kids.

I'd put the dog down. Or sure. Maybe both.

Most of the antibiotic exposure we get comes from the foods we eat, especially beef.

Nevermind the fact that it selects for resistant microorganisms in our food supply. If you get a foodborne illness from cooking your chicken medium rare, it's more likely to be resistant to first-line drugs.

The biggest problem is that there is not much financial incentive for pharmaceutical companies to do research on new antibiotics. If a new antibiotic is used responsibly, only people with specific infections not treatable by first-line drugs will receive the new drug. That person will only need to take the new drug for a week or two in most cases. The pharmaceutical company won't make much money this way, and they will have to charge a high price for the drug just to break even on their investment. There is a lot more money to be made in developing drugs for chronic conditions. People may have to take those drugs for life.

Had a sinus infection. When the first course of anti-biotics didn't work, the doctor gave me CIPRO, which is a heavy duty drug. I think that's what they gave anthrax victims. Kind of overkill for a runny nose.

There's a growing belief that the increase in childhood allergies is in part because kids grow up in a more sterile environment and their immune systems don't develop as well.

Most of the antibiotic exposure we get comes from the foods we eat, especially beef.

#2 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2009-11-10 12:04 PM | Reply | Flag

urban myth

antibiotics fed to livestock are metabolized (digested, broken down, etc.)

but, hey, it sure makes for a scary episode of "60 Minutes"

I was hospitalized for several days two years ago with a bad bacterial infection. Got IV metronidazole and leviquin plus a two week course of metronidazole pills when I was discharged.

Much to my surprise, my dog came down with a bad bacterial infection soon after I got home. He too got metronidazole from the vet (who said it wasn't an antibiotic LOL).

My understanding at the time was that metronidazole was a broad spectrum that was only used for cases where rapid effects were needed.

Then they give it to my dog.


I can vouch. My daughter was bitten by a neighbor's dog last week, a frightening but all in all fairly minor bite, and the doctor prescribed antibiotic "just in case." I didn't feel qualified to argue, but jeez... and this comes a few months after her last ear infection, which was treated with antibiotic...


And no, we're not speaking to the neighbors right now, since we had warned them THREE TIMES to keep their dog out of our yard as it was stalking my kids.

#4 | Posted by cbob

Smart Doc. I was bitten by my cat (who I donated to a Thai restaurant) and waited it out (bad bite, right into the vein in the arm. The blood was like a horror movie). Long story short the doc gave me oral antibiotics that didn't to shit. Woke up that night shivering and sweating. Drove to the ER and ended up 2 nights in the hospital (I had a great view of Navy Pier with fireworks night though). Cat scratch fever...

Vernon is correct.

The problem is that they feed half the antibiotics made to livestock animals as a health precaution. This just brings closer the day an organism will develop immunity to the antibiotic.

That plus the overuse, especially in Europe is causing antibiotics to have shorter and shorter times from discovery top the point when it becomes ineffective due to resistant organisms.

New antibiotics get discovered over time. They are getting used up and becoming worthless faster than they can discover new ones!

Your daughter dates the Bubble Boy?

#3 | Posted by jerrytarkanian

Not realy. His mother ran him to the doctor for every little thing and now he gets most everything hat comes along. Big tough weight lifter that gets about 6 to 8 colds a year along most everything else that comes down the pike.

Europe treats antibiotics like condoms because they are relatively cheap and then we are lucky enough to import the super drugs that socialized medicine has created.

YES - Antibiotic and Antiviral agents are supposed to be used post and not pre infection - using them in the name of cost savings in a socialistic medicine environment because you can manipulate their cost is only creating global problems down the road.

Thanks Euroweenies, you are so smart!

superbugs not superdrugs.... :)

For those Americans without health insurance:

If you need antibiotics but can't get a doctor to Rx them, you can purchase "fish" antibiotics down at the pet store. It's conveniently in the same dosages we humans take too. You can get fish amoxicillin, fish ampicillin, I think I even saw fish erythromycin once.

"If you need antibiotics but can't get a doctor to Rx them, you can purchase "fish" antibiotics down at the pet store. It's conveniently in the same dosages we humans take too. You can get fish amoxicillin, fish ampicillin, I think I even saw fish erythromycin once."

I tried that once.

Made me green around the gills.

But..I was able to go to work the next day.

Although....

I felt like a fish out of water.

I don't know where you ppl get this notion that antibiotic abuse is a European problem moreso than in the US.

First, what constitutes "Europe"? If you're including Romania and Bulgaria, then, ok, they probably don't have much choice. But here in Germany where I live, although there are plenty of GPs ready to follow the American example and treat every sniffle, scratchy throat and minor rash with some synthetic poison sold to them by a huckster for Big-Pharm, the more likely scenario is that you'll be given a natural rememdy (covered by insurance) to treat symptoms while your own defenses fight off the infection.

For a sinus infection, I was given peppermint oil to rub on my nose, in a hospital.

An American from my wife's company was here two years ago. He had some kind of minor cold and was given sulfa antibiotics in the US. The drug caused some horrible side effects and we took him to our GP. She was absolutely astounded that he'd been given those pills based on his symptoms.

So, again, my experience, living between the US and Germany, is that Americans are far quicker to turn to solutions offered by the biggest pharmaceutical companies, and are generally ignorant of alternatives. They sure don't get the alternatives covered by their HMO's.

My daughter, now ten years old, has been on antibiotics ONCE in her entire life. And we're not radicals who reject western medicine outright. If it's absolutely necessary, then she'll get them. If we lived in the US, I'm 100% certain that it would be at least once a year, based on what I know about my sister's and friend's kids. "Baby Aspirin" does not exist here whereas American kids seem to be brought up on it. The idea of "Baby Tylenol" would freak ppl out here.

Lisa-what a finny girl you are. Others may carp on the bad puns, but I'll laugh at them just for the halibut.

Damn Euroweenies!

Scientists believe antibiotics also may have contributed to the explosive rise in asthma and allergies in children over the last 20 years.

Such health concerns led the European Union in 2006 to ban antibiotic use as feed additives for promoting livestock growth. But in the United States, nearly 25 million pounds of antibiotics per year, up from 16 million in the mid 1980s, are given to healthy animals for agriculture purposes, according to a 2000 report by the Union of Concerned Scientists.
www.scientificamerican.com

And vern-your calculator doesn't do science either, does it?


People have long been exposed to antibiotics in meat and milk. Now, the new research shows that they also may be

ingesting them from vegetables, perhaps even ones grown on organic farms.

The Minnesota researchers planted corn, green onion and cabbage in manure-treated soil in 2005 to evaluate the environmental impacts of feeding antibiotics to livestock. Six weeks later, the crops were analyzed and found to absorb chlortetracycline, a drug widely used to treat diseases in livestock. In another study two years later, corn, lettuce and potato were planted in soil treated with liquid hog manure. They, too, accumulated concentrations of an antibiotic, named Sulfamethazine, also commonly used in livestock.

As the amount of antibiotics in the soil increased, so too did the levels taken up by the corn, potatoes and other plants.

"Around 90 percent of these drugs that are administered to animals end up being excreted either as urine or manure," said Holly Dolliver, a member of the Minnesota research team and now a professor of crop and soil sciences at the University of Wisconsin-River Falls. "A vast majority of that manure is then used as an important input for 9.2 million hectares of (U.S.) agricultural land."

I was bitten by my cat (who I donated to a Thai restaurant)...

Bad karma.

Lisa, you just need to scale back your dosage. Take too much of that stuff and you'll get hooked, chum.

LOL

Clever Snoofy...very clever!!

"You can get fish amoxicillin, fish ampicillin, I think I even saw fish erythromycin once."

You'd just flounder around waiting in the emergency room. They'd keep you waiting on porpoise. Slip the orderly a fin and you might get to the head of the line.

#8 | POSTED BY VERNON

Welcum (sic) back, fuck face.



So, where is Ray to tell us that antibiotics are a part of the global bio-scientific illuminati conspiracy?

Seems that old pile of shit is long overdue on a thread such as this one, since he seems to get off by being contrary to any- and everything.

You know...here, he might have a point, and whatnot.

People not taking their 'scripts as prescribed COULD lead to the evolution of more virulent strains resistant to said medications...

...but Old Man Raystradamus is apparently occupied elsewhere 'tween a coupla' sandwich boards, prophesying doom and gloom...

...don't get vaccinated...you might get "the Autism"!

...Happy "Hump-Day" to the rest of you sphincters.

www.dobugsneeddrugs.org

Not all bugs need drugs.

Be Well.

I think part of it is also low co-pays. If an antibiotic is $145, but your out-of-pocket is $10, why not? Those of us with high-deductible plans are more inclined just to stay home in bed for a couple of days. My family's blessed with very good health, but I grew up without health insurance of any kind. I wonder now if it wasn't coincidental.

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