For someone who is supposedly working for pacifist solutions to the Zionist agenda Hussein Hajj Hassan doesn't appear to know how to pick his battles.

Hezbollah is offended by everything, who gives a damn what the women and children killers of Hezbollah think. The sooner these uncivilized barbarians martyr themselves the better off the rest of the world will be, good riddance...

They can go fuck themselves. What a bunch of thin skinned morons.

They're offended by the fact that a Jewish teenager lived long enough to write a book in the first place.

Hezbollah's Al-Manar television channel ran a report slamming the book for focusing on the persecution of Jews.

*facepalm*

Yeah, it's funneh how when yer trapped in an attic with yer family fearing fer yer life every waking moment cos of Nazi persecution how one tends to dwell on that kinda thing.

Maybe if she had a chance to write a sequel it woulda concentrated on other aspects of her life but as it turns out?

Not so much.

This is seriously a *head-desk* moment here.

They should not ban it, no one should support censorship. They should just classify it as a work of fiction so kids don't get confused.

I flagged that, Nazi, you piece of shit.

Note to self: Real Story is now known as Goodlittlenazi.

I flagged that, Nazi, you piece of shit.

Piece of shit? That moron has staked out claim to the whole turd.

I have always wondered why we Americans were forced to read the 'Story' of a poor little Jewish girl who the Germans treated so badly.

Then I realized it was all made up by the Zionists and they are still getting away with it today.

Force Feed that shit into the minds of American school kids so they can all pity the poor jews.

Those Zionists are ruthless fucking bastards, but they are fucking smart.

They got their Country didn't they?

"Cui Bono" folks.

They should not ban it, no one should support censorship. They should just classify it as a work of fiction so kids don't get confused.

#6 | Posted by goodlittlenazi

You guys still have 924 years of your 1,000 year Reich left. Any big plans?

stupid on the part of hezbollah

sends the wrong message to the world.

especially since they are wrong.

The sooner these uncivilized barbarians martyr themselves the better off the rest of the world will be, good riddance...

Harsh way of talking about Reagan's business partners, dude.

But I'm confused. Didn't the righties tell us Israel took care of hezbollah in 2006 or 7? i distinctly remember Condi in her cheerleader outfit chanting "clusterbomb that kid, clusterbomb that kid".

People are condeming Lebanon for not allowing its enemies propaganda be taught to their school kids?

WTF is up with that?

Maybe we should force US kids to read and understand the Koran and accept it as truth.

Would be about the same fucking thing.

How about this:

"Take your Zionist shit and shove it up your own asses Zionists."

"stupid on the part of hezbollah

sends the wrong message to the world."

hmmmm.

Could there be a pattern here Kliff?

And what are we supposed to do if we GET the message?

Like them?

Agree with them?

Trust them?

The question that needs to be asked is what is Anne Franks diary doing in ANY schools

What is the purpose?

Cui Bono?

Start answering that and you'll need a V-8.

Isnt this the liberal idiot that gets all hot at others and calls them racist? I see everyone else is just ignoring the idiot comments I guess that what libtards do when they dont agree with another libtard

How about this:

"Take your Zionist shit and shove it up your own asses Zionists."

#14 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-11-10 04:01 PM | Reply

Sorry forgot to paste this before the last post!

Zion isn't a race you fucking idiot.

why don't they just stick to teaching the children that their life's ambition should be to kill the jews and blow up their self's and as many people as they can.

Why do American kids read that propagnada?

What is the purpose of reading something a 13 year old wrote?

Again, start answering these questions and you just might begin to see the light.

WTF is propagnada ? Illiterate nazi swine.

Propaganda is the systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause.

You didn't know that?

Why do American kids read that propagnada?

What is the purpose of reading something a 13 year old wrote?

(why can't anyone face those questions enough to answer them?)

And the BIG quesetion when it comes to the holocaust.

Cui bono?

No one dares to touch that one.

ManyPaths-

We read it so we don't repeat history's mistakes.

Does that make sense?

Good, now STFU

"what is Anne Franks diary doing in ANY schools"

Usually those studying it are roughly the same age as Anne. It benefits the students, who are easily transported into that world, and can identify with another teenager wanting to make a difference.

Also, what Danforth said.

We do need to teach history in school. It is important that we learn from others' mistakes because we will never live long enough to make them all ourselves.

Does that make sense?

Nope. I think you read it to feel sorry for the poor Jewish people that would never do anything to hurt anyone yet is always treated so badly by everyone else.

Makes a lot more sense then reading what a 13 year old girl wrote about her family in crawl space.

If I want to read about history in order to not repeat it I would not look to the words of a 13 year old that had no idea why she was were she was.

But everyone feels real sorry for her in the end huh?

They gotcha! And now they want to program their enemies children with the same sappy story? At least another country isn't falling for the Zionists' propaganda. You sure as hell have.

What difference did Anne Frank make?

What call to action to it send to American children?

Pity the Jews. That's the message it sends and the Zionists have been playing that card for a long fucking time.

Come on!!!! Answer the BIG question...........

ManyPaths-

You are right. The Nazis were the true heroes, and the European Jews got what they deserved. That's all we need to teach our children, right?

Great!

Also, go fuck yourself, you vile piece of dog shit!

Also, question for you about denying history and the occurence of the holocaust.

Cui bono?

If you have to make stuff up to defend your argument, then you lose man.

"You are right. The Nazis were the true heroes"

You see, I never said ANYTHING even REMOTELY close to that, but you feel the need to make stuff up in order to feel better about your position.

It's l ike lying. When you have to lie, you lose.

Can you see how that hurts your argument or at the very least proves you are not able to argue the point in the first place?

I would appreciate it if you made an attempt to be accurate when addressing my words. Thanks.

Cui bono?

#32 | Posted by Shapful

Sorry, I asked first and I now understand your inability to answer it.

Thanks anyway.

No problem, dickhead. Go have a circle-jerk with your skinhead buddies!

#35 | Posted by Shapful

Further proof of your inability to argue your point. You continue to make stuff up that isn't true in order to feel better about yourself. Can't you see that you might just have a problem that needs medical attention?

What do you get when you cross a Nazi and a Zionist?

The State of Israel.

Get it?

OK, beer 30. Cui Bono? My taste buds.

would i rather have my kid read The Diary of Anne Frank or heather has two fucking mommies?

"I would not look to the words of a 13 year old that had no idea why she was were she was."

You've just defeated your own premise. She didn't know, but you, somehow do?!? Tell us, then...why was she where she was?

ManyPaths-

Do you think that children in school in Lebanon should learn about the events of 9/11?

Wouldn't they feel bad for the Americans who lost their lives? Would they learn that America exaggerated the number of deaths resulting from 9/11 to garner world sympathy?

Just curious what you think. No names, no profanity, just the topic at hand.

Thanks.

Oh, and I have a good follow-up!

Assuming you went to school in this country, did you learn about the plight of the Native Americans?

Or was it all just Pilgrims + Indians Thanksgiving stories?

Oh, and I get your joke. Jews are the real Nazis, and Zionists are people like George Bush and Dick Cheney.

"What difference did Anne Frank make?

What call to action to it send to American children?

Pity the Jews. That's the message it sends and the Zionists have been playing that card for a long fucking time.

Come on!!!! Answer the BIG question..........."

It has extreme relevance for exactly that reason dumbfuck.

It begs the question how callous the state of Israel can be given when dealing with palestinians given its heritage of persecution-dont you think lil skinhead????

BushCo had UK Ambassador to Uzbekistan Murray, fired in 2004, for revealing that the CIA was using the country to rape children with broken bottles and boil people alive unless the parents confessed to being members of alQaida. Cheney was determined to prove the effectiveness of going to the dark side, no matter who had to be tortured or sacrificed.

The history of man is horrible, just like the Bible.

#44 | Posted by nutcase at 2009-11-10 08:27 PM

Link please

why don't they just stick to teaching the children that their life's ambition should be to kill the jews and blow up their self's and as many people as they can.
#20 | Posted by semtex111 at 2009-11-10 05:24 PM

30% of the businesses that IDF destroyed in Beirut were Christian. The Israeli primarily destroyed banks, schools, dairies and continued to fire at civilians escaping on their own designated routes. They even killed Red Crescent workers, journalists and killed American civilians when they needlessly fired rockets at the United Nations building (which, btw, doesn't even have minarets). Lebanon used to be called The Riviera of the Middle East and had a flourishing economy with internationally recognized tourism. The Zionists and the US coalition, not the Arab nations are warring in the Middle East, so let's be clear whom is programmed for destruction.

On top of all of that Israel used biological and chemical weapons and continue to deny using them. They also have a nuclear arsenal which they continue to deny exists. The Mossad were caught on 9/11 red-handed with bombs and video of both planes hitting the towers - foreknowledge and the weapons. They even admit on Israeli television Mossad were part of operations during the attack on American soil, so whatever boxcutter nightmares keep you awake are entirely fictitious. Israeli Jewish Zionists CELEBRATED American DEATHS, joyfully dancing on camera while New York City burned. The enemy are Zionists, fundamentalists and neo-conservatives.

Ann Frank diary banned in Lebanon while Hezbollah News (Al-Alam) is banned in the USA and Israel. Why should anything be banned or censored? Countries and interests use propaganda and the only way to untangle it is to see all sides. Now Israeli interests want to buy out Al Jazeera.

I flagged that, Nazi, you piece of shit.

#7 | POSTED BY GRUMPY_TOO AT 2009-11-10 01:02 PM

What are you all hot under the collar about? The Diary is a work of fiction, not the first one either regarding the holocaust. I suggest you look into the court case for the true author - Meyer Levin wrote the story for Otto Frank (Anne's father). After he was cheated out of royalties, he sued Otto Frank and Frank settled out of court. Why would Otto Frank agree to pay Meyer Levin royalties on a diary his daughter wrote? This is not even a debate, the book is a work of fiction and all I did was call it what it is - I don't want anyone to censor it. Much like Elie Wiesel says, "Some stories are true that never happened". By the way, in case you never studied Anne Frank, she died of typhus after being transfered between many 'death camps' where the common narrative is they instantly killed all of those incapable of working (like someone suffering from typhus or Elie Wiesel's foot infection that required surgery and a long recuperation that he had in Auschwitz) after a quick selection process by Joseph Melange and then thrown into a gas chamber by John Demanuck whom both seemed to be working at all the camps all at the same time according to the eyewitness survivors. Further, shockingly, her corpse was not made into a lampshade, a nazi shrunken head, or even jewish fat soap after her death. The wonders never cease.

What is the purpose of reading something a 13 year old wrote?

#21 | Posted by Manypaths

Because it's more intelligible than the entire collected writings of the Muslim world?

"What is the purpose of reading something a 13 year old wrote?"

We should be used to it since half the posters here act about that age and yet we read THAT!

#48. You remind me of someone who used to post here on anything involving Nazis. A lot

And anyway, as a true and eloquent diary of suffering at the hands of fascists, it was worth wayyyyy morrre than fiction, as her astute father recognized, he was no idiot. so he pushed for royalties. Why is that such a mystery to you littlehitlerbuttbuddy?

I
believe it was just a few years ago Volkswagon paid reparations to descendants of those who worked as slaves for the Nazis. Annes father wanted the same for what they took from him

here is one boojiboy,

here'sanother boojiboy,

The lawsuit in question if you read it involved publishing rights. Not authorship fuckface. And the 'common narrative' as you describe it has her dying of disease before the liberation. Always as I read it

You little buttbuddynazi are by far the biggest tool I have ever seen post.

Thank you nutcase. I will read and judge for myself.

#46: I also read somwhere, or wait heard from someone somewhere that every missing child on the back of milk cartons were the result of Mossad selling them for harems to Arab sheiks!

No. Its true!

Crap. Fuckin neonazis

Bain of true christians everywhere

Anne Frank gave us an inside, blinding light in the eyes, look of what life was like living with the threat of death on a daily basis.

Hezbu-Allah means "party of god". Need we say more?

To the NEO nazis who decry her diary; you call yourselves NEO because your fuckin 3rd reich died. You're the new guys, remember? 'Cause the old guys failed. Their cause was fuck'd from the beginning.

Just thought I'd remind you.

Here is a night time story for aaaall of you little Nazi's and Moslem Jihadists to cozy up to. Historical fact BTW

Wayyyy baaaaccckk in the year 1009, Caliph al-Hakim, presiding over Egypt and the holy land, saw fit to completely demolish the Christian Church of the Holy Sepluchre. This church was built upon the spot thought to be the tomb of Jesus Christ.

Throughout Western Europe among Christians there was outrage. But nowhere was that outrage more fervent than in Frankland (France duh). For there in the town of Limoges, the jewish were brought forth from their homes and drieven away or executed.

And the Nazis and Jihadists lived happily ever after.

Night night little jew haters. Stay cozy!

BtW. The church was rebuilt beginning in 1033 and no one really wanted to talk about all those pesky jews throughout Europe went through as a result of the spineless Caliphate.
It would all be so much the better they thought, if we all stay quiet and cover up what just happened.

God is great!

And my little Nazis. History is chock full of stories like this. Open your eyes to the real truth.

You've been royally, hysterically fucking duped.

The real God is Love

And truth will empower you and set you free.

And anyway, as a true and eloquent diary of suffering at the hands of fascists, it was worth wayyyyy morrre than fiction, as her astute father recognized, he was no idiot. so he pushed for royalties. Why is that such a mystery to you littlehitlerbuttbuddy?

Are you an idiot and a liar or just an idiot? Otto Frank WAS THE DEFENDANT in the lawsuit. He was being sued by Levin because Levin wrote the diary and wanted royalties. Levin is not a publisher, he is an author and playwright. Otto Frank screwed him out of royalties on this work of FICTION and was sued as a result. Frank settled out of court to avoid widespread knowledge that the book was fiction and written by Levin - no school would force anyone to read/buy a fiction book by Levin, it needed the Anne Frank angle to make money. Of course I assume that you know this and were just lying - then again, I don't want to presume too much, you may just be an idiot....

Meyer Levin wrote the story for Otto Frank

O Rly?

Meyer Levin (October 7, 1905 July 9, 1981)

Levin was one of the first American journalists to become aware of the existence of Anne Frank's diary, and he was also one of the first people to recognize the literary and dramatic potential of this document. He wrote to and met Otto Frank, the father of Anne Frank. Levin became convinced that he had a strong interest in the text, and he later became obsessed when Frances Goodrich and Albert Hackett successfully adapted the diary into a hit play while the play Meyer Levin had written was rejected. His 30 years battle to have his play performed and the legal battles that resulted are covered in An Obsession with Anne Frank: Meyer Levin and the Diary by Lawrence Graver, The Stolen Legacy of Anne Frank: Meyer Levin, Lillian Hellman and the Staging of the Diary, by Ralph Melnick, as well as in the French-language book by Levin's wife, Tereska Torres, "Les maisons hantees de Meyer Levin", published by Editions Phebus (Paris).

Just wanted to point out that I am a long time lurker (at least a year), and a political independent, and:

DETHSPUD is by far the most interesting poster on this board.

DETHSPUD is by far the most interesting poster on this board.

#66 | Posted by Shapful at 2009-11-11 08:42 AM | Reply | Flag: flirting

I completely agree Shapful!!

And welcome to our little family!

#68 | Posted by Lisa at 2009-11-11 08:55 AM | Reply | Flag: flirting

#69

Can't someone just be nice around here without it being interpreted to mean more??

I know niceness is an oddity here but geesh!!

Oh, Good Morning Lisa.

"Can't someone just be nice around here without it being interpreted to mean more??

I know niceness is an oddity here but geesh!!"

I'm just teasing, Lisa, you flirt.

And here's the reason I lurked for so long before I stopped shaking enough to become a member....

Good morning 101!! : )

LOL

I know you were.

Just wanted to point out that I am a long time lurker (at least a year), and a political independent, and:

DETHSPUD is by far the most interesting poster on this board.

w00t!

Woo Hoo!

Hear that everybody?

Somebody thinks Spud is interesting!

Thank you fer them kind werds and welcome aboard the slow motion train wreck in progress that is our beluffed Tort.

the reason I lurked for so long before I stopped shaking enough to become a member...

Airhead?

"And here's the reason I lurked for so long before I stopped shaking enough to become a member...."

You mean that you were nicer than this before you started posting here and had to wait until you toughened up a bit?

That idea is giving me a toothache.

"He's as predictable as gravity and once you get over his shock jock mentality and realise that he has absolutely nothing of substance to offer beyond his continual attempts to out-crass the other feces hurling primates around here then he becomes not so much intimidating as pathetic."

Wow, I don't know what I ever did to you to deserve that one.

Because of the lawsuit in a German court, the German state forensic bureau, the Bundes Kriminal Amt [BKA] forensically examined the manuscript, which at that point in time consisted of three hardbound notebooks and 324 loose pages bound in a fourth notebook, with special forensic equipment.

The results of tests, performed at the BKA laboratories, showed that "significant" portions of the work, especially the fourth volume, were written with a ballpoint pen. Since ballpoint pens were not available before 1951, the BKA concluded those sections must have been added subsequently.

In the end, BKA clearly determined that none of the diary handwriting matched known examples of Anne's handwriting. The German magazine, Der Spiegel, published an account of this report alleging that (a) some editing postdated 1951; (b) an earlier expert had held that all the writing in the journal was by the same hand; and thus (c) the entire diary was a postwar fake.

The BKA information, at the urgent request of the Jewish community, was redacted at the time but later inadvertently released to researchers in the United States.

Read above, the diary is a work of fiction.

Read above, the diary is a work of fiction.
#79 | Posted by goodlittlenazi

I don't think that "goodlittlenazi" is the best username if you are going to make arguments like that.

Kinda undermines your point.

"The diary is a work of fiction...

No opinion in regards to whether this diary is fiction. Anne Frank, where she ended up, and how she died, aren't.

Wow, I don't know what I ever did to you to deserve that one.

Dude, talking about 101 Airhead there.

Not you.

Re-read, including Lisa's post that Spud cited.

You'll figure it out.

Be Well.

"Not you."

Understood. Took your tone to be similar to that of RM above and responded defensively.

I stand corrected.

No opinion in regards to whether this diary is fiction. Anne Frank, where she ended up, and how she died, aren't.

Well, when children are forced to read the book and accept the content as fact in pursuit of a Zionist agenda I think you are obligated to have an opinion.

"In pursuit of a Zionist agenda..."

But you have no agenda at all, do you, snookums?

"Zionist agenda...."

There were two sorts of German concentration camps, can you name them? If you can't, then maybe Anne Frank still has something to teach you.

For bonus points, how deep was the mass of worms beneath the yet-to-be-disposed-of bodies at Buchenwald? How was the depth measured and by whom?

I noticed the shot was directed at Chairborne as well. Deservedly so.

I actually don't mind Chair. He wears his true colors (or at least his shtick) out in the open. It's sort of cute. He's almost like a GoodLittleNazi character, but with depth and multiple dimensions.

For bonus points, how deep was the mass of worms beneath the yet-to-be-disposed-of bodies at Buchenwal

When people die from typhus and supplies are scarce to feed the local population much less provide medicine, etc, I would expect that there would be a pile of bodies. Was the pile bigger than that of the British concentration camps during the Boer War? After all, they were the ones that came up with the concentration camp concept so I would assume that they are the benchmark. Would they have been bigger than the piles that would have been created in the US concentration camps for the Japanese had the Americans lost the war and the West Coast local population was starving with bombed out infrastructure? Was Shermans treatment of the local population better than the Germans during the civil war? Was the death rate higher than Andersonsille prison during the civil war where you had typhus outbreaks? Or were the piles deeper than the 250K German civilians that burned to death in the Dresden fire bombing? We should all know by now that the Brits were the first in WWII to bomb civilians populations and the 'London Blitz' was the German response. All the things that the uniformed hold up to show 'unprecedented German cruelty' were quite common practices. Once one looks at the facts around the holocaust, Anne Frank, conduct before, during, and after the war, you get a different view of history. Of course, one has to be willing to be intellectually honest and perform some hard research work and those posters on here have neither the intellectual capacity or willingness to get informed.

"I would expect there to be a pile of bodies...."

Would you expect that pile to be in a facility run by the SS?

"Was the pile bigger than the concentration camps run by the British during the Boer war...?"

No clue. Are you conceding the Germans had concentration camps? Would you now like to discuss their number?

"Deeper than the 250K German civilians burned to death at Dresden....?"

Both the Brits and the Germans subscribed prior to the war to the doctrine of breaking civilian populations through mass bombings.

If Hitler had the means to deal with London as was done to Dresden he would have. He wasn't a nice man.

Ernst Romer and Edgar Geiss

Who?

A third German lawsuit involving Otto Frank (as a joint plaintiff) ran from 1976 to 1993. It all began when Ernst Romer handed out pamphlets after theatre productions of "The Diary of Anne Frank" with the headline Bestseller A Lie. The Public Prosecution Service decided to prosecute Romer, and later also his sympathiser Edgar Geiss, who handed out the same pamphlets in the courtroom. The two cases were tried together. Romer was sentenced to a fine of 1,500 Deutschmarks (about 750) and appeal. The appeal case dragged on for so long mainly because an investigation was first carried out by the Federal Criminal Police Office, and it was then decided to wait for the German translation of The Diary of Anne Frank (the Critical Edition). This appeared in 1988, and could be used as evidence. Romer decided not to proceed with his appeal, because of his advanced age, so that only Geiss remained. One of his appeals was successful: the distribution of libel in pamphlets carries the comparatively short time limit for prosecution of six months, so the case was dropped because this statutory limitation had expired.

"Once one looks at the facts around the holocaust, Anne Frank, conduct before, during, and after the war, you get a different view of history"

Only if you're reading the posts at Stormfront.

Actualy newspapers from the times depict a minority population seeing restriction after restriction: prohibitions against travel, schooling, fraternization, business, bikes, and ultimately, liberty itself.

You can attempt to exculpate German (or other) behavior until the cows come home, citing historical context.

WWII was a horror. If it's full story could be told, we'd understand it wasn't as bad as Frank's diary alleged. It was much, much worse.

Would you expect that pile to be in a facility run by the SS?

Yes, I would. No food, no medicine, infrastructure destroyed equals dead people. Why is that difficult to understand?

No clue. Are you conceding the Germans had concentration camps? Would you now like to discuss their number?

Yes, they had concentration camps - as did the Americans, Brits, Russians, etc. After the war all 'freed' countries in Europe set up concentration camps for ethnic germans as well. A concentration camp does not have to entail death, disease, etc and do not have to include gas chambers. Yes, people died. We have a Red Cross estimate of ~360K across all german camps. I believe the Red Cross.

"Yes I would...."

You miss the point, and that's interesting. The SS moved no dead bodies into camps. The point is the dead were living people when they got there.

I know pretty much exactly the point in time when issues of food, medicine, and infrastructure began to bite the Germans.

But the Germans began building concentration camps ten years prior to that. This is what you call "historical context". Pay attention.

I nominate "GoodLittleNazi" as the DR handle that most accurately describes a poster.

Actualy newspapers from the times depict a minority population seeing restriction after restriction: prohibitions against travel, schooling, fraternization, business, bikes, and ultimately, liberty itself.

Wow, sounds like Gaza today or the US South until very recent times, or women in any Arab country in the world. There is nothing unique here. The story doesn't differ until propaganda enters the story. There were a grand total of 360K jews in pre-war germany and hitler was actively working to have them resettled elsewhere, as was always his policy. Why did he take these measures? Well, if you read the accounts of pre-National Socialist Germany you will see his reasoning. He did not believe that jews were loyal germans because they refused to become part of german society (rightly or wrongly). I would say that he was right as this was when the zionist movement was in full swing and the world jewish congress has declared war on Germany.

"A concnetration camp...Does not have to include gas chambers...."

Indeed, some were specialized and quite small. Begs the question whether you think some did have such chambers.

Begs the question whether you think there were dedicated death camps in Germany. Begs the question whether you'll argue against contemprary SS organizational structure and say that there weren't.

Was Anne Frank's Diary cleaned up in an editorial process before being published?
No doubt.
Does that make the Diary a work of Fiction?

Otto Frank insists that the notes were from his daughter. Handwriting analysts state that all the papers were written by the same hand. Hence, Otto Frank is a liar as proven by BKA analysis. Levin is a the author of many 'historic novels' and sued Otto Frank over royalties and won. Despite all of these FACTS, you think the book was written by Anne Frank. I really don't even know why I am responding to you are you are the liberal 'this is how it feels to me' personified vs. dealing in actual facts.

GOODLITTLENAZI--

I'm hip to the irony of arguing about something like this with someone like you on this sort of holiday.

I'd say I'm sorry to confuse you with facts and logic, but I know you learned how to dispose of both years ago.

Nothing good came from the Third Reich and Hitler. If you'd state that clearly I could leave this discussion feeling a little less depressed.

But the Germans began building concentration camps ten years prior to that. This is what you call "historical context".

You miss the point. Prior to the war, the 'evil concentration camps' held political prisoners and criminals. I suggest that you read the history of one such camp - Dachau - and actually learn the death rate when their was adequate food and medicine. Why were political prisons rounded up - maybe had something to do with the jews leading the communist revolutions such as in Russia and Hitler despising communism. However, the were never moved here and killed in gas chambers. That narrative is now only written about in a handful of camps in Poland after the Germans began to lose the war - despite eyewitnesses claiming to see gassings as pretty much every camp - the experts at the USHM, etc acknowledge that there were no gassings outside of Poland. This isn't even debated any longer despite the 'eye-witnesses'. This tale died along with nazi shrunken heads, human soap, and human skin lampshades.

Nothing good came from the Third Reich and Hitler

I dunno. Ever see Hitler's "art"?

(small joke for a very sad subject. Very small)

This tale died along with nazi shrunken heads, human soap, and human skin lampshades.

#104 | Posted by goodlittlenazi at 2009-11-11 11:15 AM | Reply | Flag:

The bellybutton lampshade thing is true. (why am I arguing with a pretend nazi on veterans day?)

However, the were never moved here and killed in gas chambers.

Yeah, I'm sure all the missing Jews rode a comet to new Israel on Mars. Holocaust deniers are special folk. I'd say you should be marched into a chamber yourself, by why waste the zyklon-b? Shits expensive.

Begs the question whether you think there were dedicated death camps in Germany. Begs the question whether you'll argue against contemprary SS organizational structure and say that there weren't.

Please tell me which camp in Germany was a 'death camp'. Please provide proof of a single gassing that occurred in Germany. If you can, you probably want to alert the US Holocaust Museum and Yad Vashem as they say that there weren't any in Germany. But then again, you seem to have 'facts' so let's here them.

There were a grand total of 360K jews in pre-war germany and hitler was actively working to have them resettled elsewhere, as was always his policy

I really hope your handle, and your arguments, are some kind of reversal to make holocaust deniers look like the fools they are.

Being serious about this means someone FAILED YOU in your childhood.

"Please tell me which camp in Germany was a death camp...."

Trick question. Please tell me you think there was ever such a camp anywhere?

Please tell me which camp in Germany was a 'death camp'.

Auschwitz.

The camp commandant, Rudolf Hss, testified at the Nuremberg Trials that up to 3 million people had died at Auschwitz. The Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum has revised this figure to 1.1 million,[2][3] about 90% of whom were Jews from almost every country in Europe.[4] Most victims were killed in Auschwitz II's gas chambers using Zyklon B; other deaths were caused by systematic starvation, forced labor, lack of disease control, individual executions, and purported "medical experiments".

At Birkenau, the Nazis used a cyanide gas produced from Zyklon B pellets, which were manufactured by two companies who had acquired licensing rights to the patent held by IG Farben. The two companies were Tesch & Stabenow, of Hamburg, who supplied two tons of the crystals each month, and Degesch, of Dessau, who produced three-quarters of a ton. The bills of lading were produced at Nuremberg

So what was the gas for, nazi? If no jews were gassed?

"Hitler was actively trying to have them (Jews) resettled elsewhere..."

Well, it crossed his mind to send them to Madagascar. Of course, what possessions they couldn't carry with them there he would get to keep. Please don't attempt to tell me Hitler wasn't a thief on grandest scale.

Yeah, I'm sure all the missing Jews rode a comet to new Israel on Mars. Holocaust deniers are special folk. I'd say you should be marched into a chamber yourself, by why waste the zyklon-b? Shits expensive.

Which missing jews are you referring to? The ones that disappeared and then reappeared in New York, Miami, South America, and Israel? Or are you referring to the jews that fled to and still live in Russia today? The FACT is that at no time were there 6M jews in territory controlled by Germany during the course of the war. Kind of an inconvenient truth for the orthodox exterminationists to explain. And you are correct, zyclon-b is expensive, as was coke for burning bodies, as was operating a rail system to bring bodies to gas chambers, as was diesel fuel which was in extremely short supply, yet the nazi's wasted all of those resources when a bullet to the head in the ghetto would have been more efficient. Given the nazi's were losing the war, do you think they they really wasted all of those resources not actually fighting the war? I know that you think the nazis were evil, but were they also stupid? Albert Speer, who controlled all resources in the Reich didn't know death camps existed, how was this possible when so many resources were dedicated to this task?

"A grand total of 360K jews were in pre-war Germany..."

And how many Jews were there in pre-war Poland? Or pre-war Hungary? Why did Benito Mussolini, MUSSOLINI for Christ's sake, exclaim that the world needed to know what Hitler was doing with the Jews?

So what was the gas for, nazi? If no jews were gassed?

zyclon-b was used for delousing as lice carried typhus. The Germans has delousing facilities at all camps, concentration and otherwise, for delousing clothes and bedding. Please learn the history of zyclon-b before making such stupid statements in the future. Next, you are going to show a gas station receipt and claim that proves the Germans must have used the fuel to asphyxiate jews with it. Like I said earlier, you are not disagreeing with me on gassings in germany, you are disagreeing with Yad Vashem and the US Holocaust Museum.

They used most of the "detainees" from the death camps as slave labor,nazi.

That's how they could afford to kill the rest, that weren't useful to the cause.

Given the nazi's were losing the war, do you think they they really wasted all of those resources not actually fighting the war?

I know that you think the nazis were evil, but were they also stupid?

You don't?

"Albert Speer, who controlled all resources in the Reich, didn't know death camps existed...."

That would be the same Speer who confessed to using slave labor and was sentenced for that?

LITTLENAZI is perhaps the most disingenuous little squib I've encountered for a while. Speer didn't control the camps, HIMMLER did.

zyclon-b was used for delousing as lice carried typhus. The Germans has delousing facilities at all camps, concentration and otherwise, for delousing clothes and bedding.

yeah, I guess all the people at the nuremberg trials just lied about what they were doing, huh? You are sick and stupid. This conversation is over.

"Please learn the history of Zyklon-B...."

I think it would be great if you contacted the Imperial War Museum in London and told them their Zyklon-B exhibit is in error.

The camp commandant, Rudolf Hss, testified at the Nuremberg Trials that up to 3 million people had died at Auschwitz.

To correct some errors in Wikipedia - you can do some independent research and find the same - Hoess originally claimed to have gassed 10M jews in Auschwitz before his final 'confession' which states 3M. He 'confessed' to this in a handwritten document, which he chose to write in English although he never learned the language and could not even speak it. He wrote this confession while being beaten daily and the threat that his family would be turned over to the soviets. If you would actually read the confession, rather than wikipedia's recap, you would learn how utterly laughable it is when it comes to his statement and what we know to be true from basic physics. Today, Auschwitz claims to have had a little of 1M deaths IN TOTAL. Yet, you point to a 'confession' for 3 times that many and you don't see anything wrong with that. I hope you never sit on a jury because critical thinking is not your strong suit.

I haven't read the entire thread, but it seems from the bottom posts that Nazi's arguments are the same trivial academic points that are really quite meaningless.

So what if it wasn't actually 6 million jews. Would 3 million be ok? How about 1 million? 500,00? What's the magic number of acceptable genocide victims? What about the millions of other undesirables? Should we worry about the exact number of them too? Is the magic numbers for genocide different for gays or mentally retarded people than it is for jews?

"How about one million (dead Jews)...?"

I think this is NAZIS' point entirely. There were only that many dead, and that makes everything OK.

the same trivial academic points I've heard elsewhere that are really quite meaningless.

whoops.

The brand of Zyklon-B used by the Nazis contained substances which gave the pellets a blue appearance and left blue stains inside gas chambers which can still be seen today in chambers that were left intact.
And I've seen those blue stains...So FUCK YOU.

Yes, thank you for bring that up - the blue staining is called 'Prussian Blue'. As a matter of fact, if you ever actually visited Auschwitz, there is an outbuilding that was used for delousing (nobody claims it is a gas chamber, not even the guides at Auschwitz) and the Prussian Blue permeated the bricks and the blue residue can be seen on the outside of the building. Now, given that there is an intact 'gas chamber' that is shown in Auschwitz that does not have any blue staining or 3 'destroyed' gas chambers (they are not completely destroyed as you will see, roof is intact, walls still supporting the structure, etc) and there is no staining there either. In fact, chemical analysis performed for the Ernst Zundel trial in Canada proved this to be the case. So, your own evidence shows your story not to be true - but thanks for trying.

He wrote this confession while being beaten daily and the threat that his family would be turned over to the soviets.

interesting. but why the agenda to inflate the stats? Like it has been said....1 million is just as appalling as 3 million despite that it is lower.

why the lies?

"The blue staining is called Prussian blue..."

Quite right. "Prussian Blue" is also the name of a music group beloved by contemporary nazis.

"As a parting gift...."

Oh, you shouldn't have! Pardon me while I get some tissue to clean it up.

So what if it wasn't actually 6 million jews. Would 3 million be ok? How about 1 million? 500,00? What's the magic number of acceptable genocide victims? What about the millions of other undesirables? Should we worry about the exact number of them too? Is the magic numbers for genocide different for gays or mentally retarded people than it is for jews?

And here it is, a confession on your part that you really can't argue the data so it becomes an argument based on 'feelings' vs. facts. How about we get real data so we know if it is 1 or 10 or 100 or 1000 before we start coining it a genocide. So, you tell me, how many people does it take to have a genocide?

"A confession on your part that you can't really argue the data...."

What a piece of work you are, son. The reams of data you've skipped over just in this thread is something of an accompishment. You've been beaten a half-dozen times. Only hate keeps you on your feet.

interesting. but why the agenda to inflate the stats? Like it has been said....1 million is just as appalling as 3 million despite that it is lower.
why the lies?

#125 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Interesting question. One might argue he picked an unreasonably high number to show that the whole confession was BS, basically, intentionally discrediting himself. It also might have something to do with the Soviets claiming that the number of deaths was in the 10M range and his 'confession' just happened to align with that - of free will I am sure.

However, that is immaterial. The point is that the confession is tainted and utterly worthless as a result. As far as physical proof goes for the holocaust, you are left with:

1.) Forced confessions by Nazi's
2.) Eye-witnesses that contradict each other

There is no blue staining on the walls of the 'gas chambers', there is no soil disruption where the bodies were said to be buried, there is not a single communication between Nazi officials talking about the holocaust despite them believing that communication was 100% secure due to the enigma machine. So, we are left with the same exact things used in the prosecution of the Salem Witch Trials.

What a piece of work you are, son. The reams of data you've skipped over just in this thread is something of an accompishment. You've been beaten a half-dozen times. Only hate keeps you on your feet.

Which reams of data? The Hoese confession summary on Wikipedia? Read the original dumbass, it is in English after all.

And here it is, a confession on your part that you really can't argue the data so it becomes an argument based on 'feelings' vs. facts.

It's no such thing. It's an acknowledgment that we'll never truly know the EXACT number and that arguing over the EXACT number is an irrelevant academic question given what we do know.

How about we get real data so we know if it is 1 or 10 or 100 or 1000 before we start coining it a genocide.

How are we going to get "real data?" Do you have a flux capacitor in your sock drawer? Or do you mean data you agree with because it shows those jew bastards are liars?

Historians have been poring over existing documentation for decades now and have come to varying estimates (yes, estimates are all we're going to really have) as to the full extent of the killing. However, we don't have to know the full extent as even conservative estimates are so horrific.

So, you tell me, how many people does it take to have a genocide?

Nice dodge.

Genocide isn't about numbers, it's about intent.

"Despite believing that communication was 100% secure thanks to the enigma machine...."

1) Enigma was for that sort of communication.

2) The Germans never though Enigma was 100% secure, given they changed the rotors in it at least once.

You don't even realize when you are in the deep end of the pool.

There is no blue staining on the walls of the 'gas chambers',

Liar.

"What reams of data....?"

We'll start small---What organization was in charge of the camps, and what person was in charge of that organization?

WHUPS---Enigma WASN'T for that sort of communication.

Tell me, Mr. Nazis, do really think no German documentation of what occured in the camps has ever been discovered?

However, we don't have to know the full extent as even conservative estimates are so horrific.

Conservative numbers based on what exactly? I have destroyed all of the attempts on this board to provide any sort of physical evidence. Really, if the number is 6M, would it this difficult to find some kind of physical evidence? Here is an idea, we use ground penetrating radar to see the size of the burial pits. Based on the amount of ash in the pits, we can estimate how many people that amounts to given we know how much ash is produced by a cremation. Oh, that's right, researchers tried that and could not find any burial pits. Or, we could dig and see how many teeth (teeth would survive cremation) we can find - we know how many teeth are in a full set so once again easy math. Damn, can't do that without the burials pits. Well, we can just ask the eye-witnesses that dumped the ashes into the pits. Oops, tried that too and the pits are not where the said they were.

I'd like to point out you're doing it again. Who ran the camps, Mr. Nazis?

"Researchers tried and could find no burial pits..."

Contemporary photos (German) of mass burials, often of the freshly executed, are commonly available.

There is no blue staining on the walls of the 'gas chambers',
Liar

From your link at scrapbook:

#137 | Posted by goodlittlenazi

You seem to be quite good at stacking a debate to your favor.

Why the obsession with the burial pits when, as Zed points out, there are tons of photographs available of bodies lying in heaps? Could it be because unless you focus on what you consider a debunked claim you have nothing? That's what I'm betting.

You never answered my question above-what is the magic number of jews that it's OK to kill? Is that number different than the magic number for gypsies, gays, retards ect?

The window was too high to reach. Hard to break it while you're suffocating anyway, isn't it?

You're a monster. Do you realize this?

"You might argue the Jews were the dumbest persons on the planet and decided not to break the window..."

I'm sure none of them would be shot for doing that.

I'm confused...WHY? were those Jews in that camp such that they required delousing? All of them were communists?

but it is too high up on the wall to be useful for observing the people inside.

So, what...the jews are supposed to be Michael Jordan and jump that high to the window, THEN break it while being gassed? This, after being starved and shuffled across the country in a train, and while frightened out of their minds.

It's amazing how badly you've been beaten in this thread, and how you don't even notice it.

WHUPS---Enigma WASN'T for that sort of communication.
Tell me, Mr. Nazis, do really think no German documentation of what occured in the camps has ever been discovered?

Enigma was not used to transmit data that they wanted to stay 100% secure? How did they use it then - to transmit sports scores?

Given that you feel there are reams of data from Nazi's confirming the holocaust, can you please link to one? Raul Hilberg probably should be altered as well. Hilberg is one of the authorities on the official story and he wrote:

But what began in 1941 was a process of destruction not planned in advance, not organized centrally by any agency. There was no blueprint and there was no budget for destructive measures. They [these measures] were taken step by step, one step at a time. Thus came about not so much a plan being carried out, but an incredible meeting of minds, a consensus -- mind reading by a far-flung bureaucracy.

Quoted in: George De Wan, "The Holocaust in Perspective," Newsday (Long Island, New York), Feb. 23, 1983, p. II/3. Also quoted in the Summer 1985 Journal, pp. 170-171.

So, if you know of documents that the man that literally wrote the book on the holocaust didn't, you might be on to something groundbreaking here.

Why the obsession with the burial pits when, as Zed points out, there are tons of photographs available of bodies lying in heaps? Could it be because unless you focus on what you consider a debunked claim you have nothing? That's what I'm betting.

The nazi's executed some as partisan fighters, which is legal under the law at the time. The remainder of the bodies shown are typically typhus victims. If you look at the actual photos from the camp liberations, you will see some people are thin and some people are normal. The people that are think are suffering from typhus - see some non-WWII pictures of typhus victims and that will make it clear for you. This is also the reason for cremations. Burying a typhus victim will contaminate the ground water.

So, what...the jews are supposed to be Michael Jordan and jump that high to the window, THEN break it while being gassed?

Once again, from your own link:
"The gas chambers were built of ceramic brick, covered with a ferro-concrete roof, and provided with a cement floor. The installation comprised three chambers: a large one (10 m x 5.5 m x 2 m) and two smaller ones (4.80 m x 3.60 x 2 m)

Now, maybe the metric system is throwing you off, but that gives a ceiling height of 6'9". Given the window starts slightly down from the ceiling and extends - what 1 foot, 18 inches maybe? - I would not think it would require Michael Jordan. The only people that would not break out the window is if the nazis were gassing the 7 dwarves. Unless you think jews are all under 4' in height, your argument is again, soundly defeated.

It's amazing how badly you've been beaten in this thread, and how you don't even notice it.

Only in your own mind. I have beaten every challenge you have brought thus far and you think you are winning?

The only people that would not break out the window is if the nazis were gassing...

I want to see how much glass breaking you can do while being hit with Zyklon-B. After being brought to the camp packed in a train like a sardine. After being scared witless and starved.

I really want to see how well you'd do, GI JOE.

"The remainder of the bodies are typically typhus victims...."

Get that from the Wayback Machine, Mr. Peabody?

Am interested to discover there is a data base of 1.2 million photos of mass graves and burials during WWII.

I know the answer to this, but how many photos of contemporary German origin and description would a nazi have to see before accepting them as evidence?

"I have beaten every challenge...."

You are truly stupid.

This is ridiculous. A number for genocide? Let's say 10,000 deaths is a genocide. Especially when they are targeted for something like race or religion.

So, if we believe your figure of 360,000 deaths, then the Nazis committed genocide 36-fold.

If you believe the more commonly accepted figures in the millions, then its closer to 300-600 fold.

I'm just curious, little Nazi, why is 36-fold genocide acceptable? Because it was committed against those horrible Jews, who dared oppose Hitler's politics? Was it because the Jews controlled much of the banking in Germany, and WWI resulted in hyper-inflation? Was it because some lying scumbag piece-of-shit Nazi made a false confession about how many people he actually murdered? Is it because genocide has occured at other points in history?

What makes this genocide acceptable to you? Or are you just evil?

"So if you know of documents...?"

Wansee Conference ring a bell? Not all participants destroyed their notes.

The nazi's executed some as partisan fighters, which is legal under the law at the time. The remainder of the bodies shown are typically typhus victims. If you look at the actual photos from the camp liberations, you will see some people are thin and some people are normal. The people that are think are suffering from typhus - see some non-WWII pictures of typhus victims and that will make it clear for you. This is also the reason for cremations. Burying a typhus victim will contaminate the ground water.

Words don't exist to describe the utter stupidity of this individual.

Fine, running with the above statement for the sake of argument-Are the nazis not culpable for creating the conditions for millions to die of typhus? Is the negligence of not helping those millions of typhus victims a crime as well?

your argument is again, soundly defeated.

Not at all. You just make conveniently simplistic arguments and run with them while ignoring any and all objections or counterpoints, then declare victory.

Hmmmmmm that sound familiar. Jeff is that you?

I have beaten every challenge you have brought thus far and you think you are winning?

You haven't even risen to them.

Only in a small pathetic mind would pictures from camps be written off as simply typhus victims and therefore, everything is not as bad as it seems. Really, the Nazis are just misunderstood.

So GLN's arguments can be summed up in just a few sentences:

Hitler only wanted to "resettle" the Jews.
Once the Jews were placed in the camps, the Nazis had no more responsibility for them.
The fact that Jews got typhus, and starved, while the guards didn't is just an amazing coincidence.
Publishers are the actual writers of diaries.