Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Monday, November 09, 2009

On Thursday afternoon, a radicalized Muslim US Army officer shouting, "Allahu akbar!" ("God is great!") committed the worst act of terror on American soil since 9/11. And no one wants to call it an act of terror or associate it with Islam.

What cowards we are. Political correctness killed those patriotic Americans at Fort Hood as surely as the Islamist gunman did. And the media treat it like a case of nondenominational shoplifting.

This was a terrorist act. When an extremist plans and executes a murderous plot against our unarmed soldiers to protest our efforts to counter Islamist fanatics, it's an act of terror. Period.


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Hasan survived. Now the rest of us will have to foot his massive medical bills. Activist lawyers will get involved, claiming "harassment" drove him temporarily insane. There'll be no end of trial delays. At best, taxpayer dollars will fund his prison lifestyle for decades to come, since our politically correct Army leadership wouldn't dare pursue or carry out the death penalty.

Maj. Hasan will be a hero to Islamist terrorists abroad and their sympathizers here. While US Muslim organizations decry his acts publicly, Hasan will be praised privately. And he'll have the last laugh.

But Hasan isn't the sole guilty party. The US Army's unforgivable political correctness is also to blame for the casualties at Fort Hood.

Given the myriad warning signs, it's appalling that no action was taken against a man apparently known to praise suicide bombers and openly damn US policy. But no officer in his chain of command, either at Walter Reed Army Medical Center or at Fort Hood, had the guts to take meaningful action against a dysfunctional soldier and an incompetent doctor.

Had Hasan been a Lutheran or a Methodist, he would've been gone with the simoom. But officers fear charges of discrimination when faced with misconduct among protected minorities.

Now 12 soldiers and a security guard lie dead. At least 38 people were wounded, 28 of them seriously. If heads don't roll in this maggot's chain of command, the Army will have shamed itself beyond moral redemption.

There's another important issue, too. How could the Army allow an obviously incompetent and dysfunctional psychiatrist to treat our troubled soldiers returning from war? An Islamist wacko is counseled for arguing with veterans who've been assigned to his care? And he's not removed from duty? What planet does the Army live on?

For the first time since I joined the Army in 1976, I'm ashamed of its dereliction of duty. The chain of command protected a budding terrorist who was waving one red flag after another. Because it was safer for careers than doing something about him.

Get ready for the apologias. We've already heard from the terrorist's family that "he's a good American." In their world, maybe he is.

But when do we, the American public, knock off the PC nonsense?

A disgruntled Muslim soldier murdered his officers way back in 2003, in Kuwait, on the eve of Operation Iraqi Freedom. Recently? An American mullah shoots it out with the feds in Detroit. A Muslim fanatic attacks an Arkansas recruiting station. A Muslim media owner, after playing the peace card, beheads his wife. A Muslim father runs over his daughter because she's becoming too Westernized.

Muslim terrorist wannabes are busted again and again. And we're assured that "Islam's a religion of peace."

I guarantee you that the Obama administration's nonresponse to the Fort Hood attack will mock the memory of our dead.

Ralph Peters' latest novel is "The War After Armageddon."


He makes some points--and shaming the Army to do something different in the future--testing soldiers, sharing with the FBI and CIA--whatever--bacause this should not have happened.


And the reports are now that Hasan will be tried in a military court--not a civilian.

No doubt Peter's is p.o.'d

"I guarantee Obama's response to the Ft. Hood attacks will be a mockery..."

I'm afraid to ask, but who do you want Obama to kill? You do want him to kill someone, don't you?

"And we are assured Islam is a religion of peace...."

Ah, the author wants something done about American Muslims. I'm curious in regards to what.

The left is in awe and disbelief and have been running damage control over this extreme radical muslim attack on many of our nation's finest.

They have been very busy the last few days because they are running damage control over Obama snubbing the fall of the Berlin wall anniversary.

"But when do we, the American public, knock off this PC nonsense...?"

This fellow seems to be speaking in some sort of code. I don't quite understand it, but my skin is crawling anyway.

"Extreme radical Muslim attack..."

The author makes it a point to describe the attacker as being mentally unbalanced. Then he goes an entirely different direction expecting us to connect dots he doesn't quite manage to describe himself. Unbalance seems to be catching.

One lone wacko snaps and now it's "Islamofascism" ehhhhhhhhh. So we should all be scared and run to our bunkers with our "Islamofascism" booklets that we got during "Islamofascism awareness week" telling us what to do with our plastic sheeting and duct tape?? My word I guess I had best get busy. I am all out of plastic sheeting and all I have for a replacement is some cheap assed knock off brand of Saran Wrap. Catch Ya laterz Must run to the store and get some.

Larry

NO! The real enemies are those damned teabaggers. Forget the Jihadis, they're our friends and need to be respected.

#8 | Posted by Zed

The dots were there and no one was connecting them--or refused to connect them.

This is a failure by the powers that be.

Oooh Murphy - you are so on the ball, what a failure to connect the dots......doesn't it remind you of September 2001 when "Bin Laden plans to attack the US, maybe using airplanes" was taken so seriously by President Bush on vacation?

#11 | Posted by MURPHY at

There is a christian terrorist network that operates openly in the U.S. Would it be alright if someone connected those dots and started offing those ignorant fucks, or does your hardline approach stop when the people start looking like you?

But no officer in his chain of command, either at Walter Reed Army Medical Center or at Fort Hood, had the guts to take meaningful action against a dysfunctional soldier and an incompetent doctor.


That's right. Because mental health medics are desperately needed in Iraq and Afghanistan to deal with the consequences of soldiers being deployed 5 - 6 times into war zones.

That is why as a nation, war should be the last resort, not the first choice of options to enrich a select few.

It isn't terrorism just because the shooter was a religious fanatic. There has to be group affiliations with terror groups and a premeditated political goal.

You'd think that in this country, we'd recognize that deranged people are capable of shooting multiple random victims to death simply because they are crazy and violent, since it happens a couple times a year. The fact this guy used religion as his excuse is not appreciably different than the one who killed women at a gym because he couldn't get laid.

Call this horror by it's proper name?

KK.

Spud calls it a "self fulfilling prophecy of doom".

Apparently, the guy was harrassed about his religion within the armed services and this was a significant factor (combined, of course, with his unease at being deployed to Iraq) in his decision to go loony tunes and start shooting up the base.

Some folks continually compare a guy to the worst elements within his religion and then scratch their head when he decides to act like one of them?

Be careful wot you wish for with this thread, Murphy, in terms of getting people to start wondering if religous folks (in this case Muslims) are inherently just plain nuts cos quit frankly you may end up being tarred by that very same brush.

The name of that one is "The Law of Unintended Consequences" btw.

Since we're calling things by their proper names here and all.

Be Well.

There is a christian terrorist network that operates openly in the U.S. Would it be alright if someone connected those dots and started offing those ignorant fucks, or does your hardline approach stop when the people start looking like you?

#13 | Posted by NoGov4Me


What network would that be?

It isn't terrorism just because the shooter was a religious fanatic. There has to be group affiliations with terror groups and a premeditated political goal.
Rcade

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This kind of thinking is why this guy was allowed to operate in plain sight.

He was making contact--trying to get Awalki and Hasan was following the path just like the 9/11 hijackers/murderers.

Just like the guy in Chicago, the one in Dallas, the Ft. Dix wannabees, they all have one thing in common--

The dark heart of the islam ideology that hates us and everything we do. They would risk it all to kill us.

He gave all the signs and people were being PC and not upset the apple cart.

Are there muslims in the military who are patriotic and love this country?

Of course!


But this guy gave the signs and people refused to acknowledge it.

Call This Horror By Its Name

I happen to totally agree that we should label all terrorist with their religious affliction/derangement.

However, I imagine that some would suddenly get all PC if we called Scott Roeder a Christian Terrorist, or the Oklahoma Bombing a Christian Terrorist Attack.
See, if you haven't already noticed, attacks on to others religious affliction is considered sacrosanct to these people and needs protecting under the 1st amendment ---- but attacks on their religious derangement is labeled as a "war" on their beliefs and are therefore are being persecuted against

It stated on his business card that he is a SOA - Soldier of ala.

From Drudge:

Fort Hood Suspect Warned of Muslim Threat Within Military...

Was under FBI probe in 2008...

RADICAL CLERIC TIED TO SHOOTING...

Officials: U.S. Aware of Hasan Efforts to Contact al Qaeda...

The Obama administration really dropped the ball on this one. As with his other "accomplishments" he once again fails at the most basic responsibility as Commander in Chief. Hey, how about that thoughtful decision to send more troops. Another well thought out plan by Obama.

Always said Oklahoma City should have been called a conservative christian terrorist act...


"Was under FBI probe in 2008...


The Obama administration really dropped the ball on this one."

Can anyone name who was President in 2008? Certainly not KBM. Then again, this is a big step up from C-in-C Bush ignoring 52 warnings and letting 9-11 happen.

This kind of thinking is why this guy was allowed to operate in plain sight. ... The dark heart of the islam ideology that hates us and everything we do. They would risk it all to kill us.

There's nothing wrong with Islam that isn't also wrong with Christianity or any other major religion. They all inspire some fanatics to violence and others to hate. Does that mean the whole religion is violent and hateful? No.

So any violent act by a Christian should be called Christian terror?

Is so, there are a lot more Christian terrorists in this country than Muslim.

Be careful what you wish for........

Time to slow down you intake of neo-con kool-aid, Murphy. The FBI has spoken.

FBI Press Release

George Bush sold us the line, "Islamists hate us for our freedoms".

The same neo-cons who blindly believe this nonsense also back Obama's stand on suppression of the Abu Ghraib's photos, because it would endanger troops. Do neo-cons understand the contradiction in their own ideology?

If they were to see the photos of torture of prisoners, they would hate us even more and rise up and kill our troops. Our government cares about the lives of our soldiers, so we cannot release the photos.

So the next question to ask is what exactly do neo-cons concede happened at Abu Ghraib?

According to those in the know, our soldiers, on order of Cheney, raped children in front of their captive mothers. Their brutality was so monstrous that their mothers begged to be killed rather than live with the memory of what was done. Add this to the knowledge we already have of beating innocent captives to death, raping female captives, and torturing captives.

Since it is clear the concern is not for our American soldiers, you can be sure that there is one reason and one reason only that they do not wish the world to see these images. The absolute truth is that they fear their own prosecution. In a just world, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleeza Rice, John Yoo, Jay Bybee, Steven Bradbury, Alberto Gonzales, John Ashcroft, Dick Cheney, and George Bush would be summarily arrested, tried, convicted, and sentenced for crimes against humanity. However, this is not a just world. Our President is the unjust Barrack Obama, a man who is more concerned about his future plans as President of the United States than he is about the rule of law, morality, ethics, or humanity.

Our self image is a deception based on denial, cover ups, and delusion. We cannot progress unless we look ourselves in the mirror, not for a quick glance, but for a long and painful self inspection. They do not hate us because we are good. They hate us because we are a selfish people consumed with our own comfort and drowning in the fetid smell of our own decay. We are a depraved, unproductive, and brutal empire on the brink of collapse. The truth has been told by the decision to suppress. All have agreed that if they knew the whole truth, they would hate us even more.

What network would that be?

#17 | Posted by MURPHY at

This one:

www.armyofgod.com

There are others. Any other questions about radical christian terrorism?


I particularly like the "Christian" soldiers in Jerusalem who keep trying to blow up the Muslim Dome of the Rock so Jesus can return.... as if he needed their help.


What network would that be?

#17 | Posted by MURPHY at

This one:

www.armyofgod.com

There are others. Any other questions about radical christian terrorism?

What network would that be?

#17 | Posted by MURPHY at

This one:

www.armyofgod.com

There are others. Any other questions about radical christian terrorism?

What network would that be?

#17 | Posted by MURPHY at

This one:

www.armyofgod.com

There are others. Any other questions about radical christian terrorism?

What network would that be?

#17 | Posted by MURPHY at

This one:

www.armyofgod.com

There are others. Any other questions about radical christian terrorism?

What network would that be?

#17 | Posted by MURPHY at

This one:

www.armyofgod.com

There are others. Any other questions about radical christian terrorism?

What network would that be?

#17 | Posted by MURPHY at

This one:

www.armyofgod.com

There are others. Any other questions about radical christian terrorism?

What network would that be?

#17 | Posted by MURPHY at

This one:

www.armyofgod.com

There are others. Any other questions about radical christian terrorism?

What network would that be?

#17 | Posted by MURPHY at

This one:

www.armyofgod.com

There are others. Any other questions about radical christian terrorism?

What network would that be?

#17 | Posted by MURPHY at

This one:

www.armyofgod.com

There are others. Any other questions about radical christian terrorism?

What network would that be?

#17 | Posted by MURPHY at

This one:

www.armyofgod.com

There are others. Any other questions about radical christian terrorism?

Jesus dude. Epilepsy kicking in?

Any other questions ...
#40 | Posted by NoGov4Me

Yes, will you please stop posting that?

Was the guy who last week shot up his former coworkers also a terrorist? More stupidity from Murphy.

Yes, will you please stop posting that?

#42 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2009-11-10 05:19 PM


I agree with TFDNihilist.

Geesh, give it a rest, Nogov4me.

I have to guess he had some connectivity issues.

I don't think Nogov did that deliberately.

Must be a malfunction.

Interesting take on all this:

"If we once focused on postal conditions and security at post-office installations when workers (between 1986 and 1997) snapped under the thematic pretense of job stress, and if we investigated the nexus of video games, drugs, cults, and counter-culture alienation when suburban youths went on shooting sprees, then it seems legitimate to look for commonalities when someone self-identifies as a rather radical Muslim and shouts "Allahu Akbar!" as he fires in the same manner that the mad driver in North Carolina, or the killer in Seattle, or the homicidal driver in San Francisco afterwards said they were acting out of Islamic religious fervor against Jews or Westerners.

Second, if we counted up the number of "lone wolf" incidents and added it to the number of Islamist terrorist plots that have been foiled since 9/11, we would arrive at more than 40 incidents of terrorist killings or efforts to kill on a wide scale. If anyone could find a comparable series of anti-abortion terrorist acts, backlash attacks on Muslims, anti-Semitic attacks perpetrated by non-Muslims, Jewish attacks on Middle Easterners, or radical environmentalist killings, then one could argue that the public was unduly focusing on Islam."

NationalReview

More from Obama's address at Ft. Hood:
"It may be hard to comprehend the twisted logic that led to this tragedy. But this much we do know -- no faith justifies these murderous and craven acts; no just and loving God looks upon them with favor. For what he has done, we know that the killer will be met with justice -- in this world, and the next.

These are trying times for our country. In Afghanistan and Pakistan, the same extremists who killed nearly 3,000 Americans continue to endanger America, our allies, and innocent Afghans and Pakistanis. In Iraq, we're working to bring a war to a successful end, as there are still those who would deny the Iraqi people the future that Americans and Iraqis have sacrificed so much for."

It would seem that Obama believes that this was related to this man's religion and related to the War on Terror.

#29 | Posted by NoGov4Me

I'll post this only once! lol


The Army of God is whacko.

This is the same group that appeared after Rudolph blew up the Olympics and the abortion clinics in GA.

They are whackos--domestic terrorists.

They are not an indictment on the entire religion

JUST like Hasan is not an indictment on the entire muslim religion.

The only way for this to stop is for the muslims to clean it up, turn it in, report it to authorities.

Hasan was acting as a jihadist--an islamic extremist. He went down the path, tried to reach Awalki, denounced this country and the military in plain sight and no one bothered to report him--or they just ignored it. They wrote up a complaint he was telling our soldiers they were dirt for fighting against muslims--BFD!

In fact--they gave him a friggin promotion and set to send him off to the battlefield.

"Second, if we counted up the number of "lone wolf" incidents and added it to the number of Islamist terrorist plots that have been foiled since 9/11, we would arrive at more than 40 incidents of terrorist killings or efforts to kill on a wide scale."


The only thing these 40 or so cases have in common is the dark heart ideology of islamic extremism.

#43 | Posted by jackass

Are you honestly comparing Hasan to the Orlando killer?

One is a jihadist the other isn't.

Call This Horror By Its Name...

...Murphy!

#48 sawdust
you're joking? If he said this, he's a complete and utter moron. Makes it crystal clear that he does indeed have an alterior motive/agenda being propagandized at the expense of the mourning families. How sick!

Direct quote from the transcript of his remarks. Check it out if you wish... I am not so sure about the politicizing, but it seems to me that he has made up his mind that religion or this man's religion was involved. Otherwise, why would he bring it up?


Time to slow down you intake of neo-con kool-aid, Murphy. The FBI has spoken.


FBI Press Release

#26 | Posted by L_RContrarian


The link is not working??

It would seem that Obama believes that this was related to this man's religion and related to the War on Terror.

Don't forget sawdust, the FBI has already stated that they have found no such association.

I should have listened to the video first. In context, he wasn't speaking specifically of Hasan in these particular remarks. By implication, those that wish to make that association definitely will, such as the Murphy's of the world. Was that his intent? To each his own opinion.

Murph,
Just tried it. Take off the final '/', then it works.

I made the comment back when he stated that this was an act against our nation that he was irresponsible in making that implication. He also made the comment, don't jump to conclusions, but it appears that for the second time he would like to steer opinion into that direction.

Another interesting study would be to compare the press's reaction to this guy killing 13 people while yelling "Allahu akbar!" and the reaction to the guy who killed Tiller the abortion guy.

Was anyone saying, "Hey we have to take it easy on these anti-abortion people, let's not lump them all together"... etc.

The hypocricy is incredible.

And more about the emails in 2008--

They failed it again.


www.chron.com

It would seem that Obama believes that this was related to this man's religion and related to the War on Terror.

Don't forget sawdust, the FBI has already stated that they have found no such association.

Soldiers reported that the gunman shouted "Allahu Akbar!" an Arabic phrase for "God is great!" before opening fire Thursday, said Lt. Gen. Robert Cone, the base commander.

Yeah "Allahu Akbar!" could mean pretty much anything.

THIS HAS NOTHING to do with Religion here People...move along.

#56 | Posted by L_RContrarian

I'll agree that Obama can't say the word terror or act of terror or anything like that.

He can't say the word--it would upset his base as they found since 9/11 that muslims are the new victim.

And Saw is right on the hypocrites or double standard.


And what is going to happen when the Gitmo guys get to come to America--on Obama's orders??

As for the FBI--they have to say there were no associations.

Because they saw the emails and dismissed them!

That is why the Telegraph is printing all the stories about this jihadist and little from our own MSM.


When the guy who is in the Army gives a lecture telling the other doctors that death to American Soldiers is good and to pour oil down their throats!!

And the doctors complain and you got 'diversity' in charge of common sense.

The Army and us are in big touble..

"I'll agree that Obama can't say the word terror or act of terror or anything like that."

But Murphy, if it was on his teleprompter he would, right?


I change the soldier to infidel--same thing in jihadist world--but here is the story--from the Telegraph..


Fort Hood gunman had told US military colleagues that infidels should have their throats cut


www.telegraph.co.uk

And what is going to happen when the Gitmo guys get to come to America--on Obama's orders??

Posted by MURPHY at 2009-11-10 08:43 PM | Reply

They'll go to prison and stay there, like the vast majority of prisoners in the US.

Shit, we still have Manuel Noriega in a Florida Prison. What's the problem here? Are you saying our prison system can handle Panamanian dictators, but not low level Al Qaeda operatives? He was detained as a POW in 92 for fucks sake.

And we can't hold a few dozen Al Qaeda? Give the talking points a rest, murphy. NO ONE is saying these guys should just roam free in America right now. They should have a TRIAL.

Dictator of Panama had a trial and was a POW. Why is this SO HARD now?

This latest tidbit is kind of stunning:

According to The Washington Post, Major Nidal Malik Hasan was supposed to make a presentation on a medical topic during his senior year as a psychiatric resident at Walter Reed Medical Center.

Instead, Hasan lectured his supervisors and two dozen mental health staff members on Islam, homicide bombings and threats the military could encounter from Muslims conflicted about fighting against other Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Wait...let me guess.

"9-11 changed everything".

Sigh.

#59 sawdust
Not quite sure what your point is. There is a vast difference between a slaying for religious reason and terrorism. Officials need to be responsible in their rhetoric about terrorism for obvious reasons.

#63 murphy
As for the FBI--they have to say there were no associations.

Because they saw the emails and dismissed them!



No, Murphy. If they wanted to protect themselves, they wouln't release a PR statement to lie and cover themselves. They all will be answering for what they knew. Specifically, the CIA has already been summoned to Congress. No, things aren't that simple Murph.

Treating terrorism as a crime is where the Obama administration thinks of this massacre.

Just like the Gitmo jihadists.

I like how you have them as low level AQ.

Like that will make us all feel better.

#65 murph
Fort Hood gunman had told US military colleagues that infidels should have their throats cut

Murph, take a breath. All the details from so many are very salacious, but at the same time there are a lot of contradictions. Why not take it easy and figure out which facts are true and which are not instead of drawing wild conclusions?

L--the FBI was going to Ft. Hood about two minutes after it was on the news.

AP--'to stop more killings' per the AP wire read by Cavuto.

They knew this guy and phucked up.

"Oh but the emails were nothing".

Did anyone bother to tail this guy?

He was using his NEIGHBORS' computer!

PC contributed and diversity contributed to the massacre at Ft. Hood.

Murphy- you didn't answer my question.

If we can try a DICTATOR in a trial and hold him in an AMERICAN PRISON SINCE 1992...

What's the problem? Why can't we do this for possible al qaeda?

Oh, because noriega was tried by a republican president(HW Bush) and Obama is a democrat, that's why.

This RETARDED talking point implying that obama is just gonna let possible murderers roam free in the US in not only FUCKING STUPID, it's insulting to people with an IQ higher than room temperature.

You don't like Obama. We get it. But the fact is, trying terrorists and dictators as criminals WORKS VERY WELL. Deal with it. Herbert Walker Bush did, and I don't hear you whining about that.

L--

here is the story..

And one of the doctors has been on CNN and Fox--


www.drudge.com

LRCon.. I would agree, I am not sure this is an act of terrorism. No more than the guy who killed Tiller is guilty of terrorism. I do believe both of these guys acted out of some "twisted logic" (to quote Obama) based on their religion.

The hypocricy that I see is from the people (liberals and the press) who were quick to jump all over the guy who killed Tiller and Christianity but want everyone to not jump to conclusions about some guy who yells "Allahu akbar!" while killing 13 and wounding 40...

Treating terrorism as a crime

Allowed us to capture and prosecute the assholes responsible for the first WTC attack in the 90's.

NOT pursuing these criminals with EVIDENCE, THOUGHT, and TRIALS is why Bin Laden still roams free.

Alex--

Why not just have them stay there?

A 2 billion dollar facility and they stay there.

No chance for them to convert other prisoners or be seen by others as heroes or glory hogs.

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As for Noriega--he is scheduled to get out in 10 years or less.

France wants him after he's done here. Send him at the last possible moment since France would probably screw up and let the guy out.

#77 | Posted by Alexandrite

Alex--

If the FBI CIA and the Army learn nothing from THIS massacre--then we will see more of this in the future.

GITMO is a boulder attached to Every Americans neck and must be removed in order for America to go forwards. We need to either charge them all let them have their Fair day in court and if Guilty lock em up in Florence Colorado Spuremax. If they are innocent then we must release them. That is the American way after all.

Larry

Alex--

Why not just have them stay there?

A 2 billion dollar facility and they stay there.

No chance for them to convert other prisoners or be seen by others as heroes or glory hogs.

Because it's quasi legal keeping them in cuba, and there's no TRIAL!!!Hellllo? It's unamerican.

Put them in a florida prison, in isolation to keep them from converting any other prisoners, and have a fucking trial. It worked for a rich as hell dictator of a country, I think it can work for some al qaeda thugs!!

If the evidence says they're guilty, keep them there. If not, send them to other countries that want them.

This is not hard stuff, murphy. It's how the american justice system is supposed to work for fucks sake.

If the FBI CIA and the Army learn nothing from THIS massacre--then we will see more of this in the future.

#79 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-11-10 09:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

And they'll learn stuff by gathering evidence, not by putting people in Gitmo for 7 years with no trial.

The "treating terror as a criminal problem" is your second talking point, completely debunked by reality. Republicans did it and were successful.(HW bush and noriega) Democrats did it and were successful.(clinton WTC bombing)

You just don't like it NOW because the president is a democrat, and you're a partisan windbag.

#75 murphy

and here is another story, that may be the same 'event', but very different details. Even if another event, it doesn't paint the same picture as all the salacious details you jump on.

cbsnews

Alex--they were captured on the battlefield.

Give them Miranda rights --right??

Collect evidence--right??

Give them a military tribunal like FDR did--like Lincoln did.

And then keep them there.


And L--

Love the CBS take and I don't know if that was the same presentation.

Sounds pretty bad to tell doctors treating soldiers for PTSD that they love to kill more than we want to live.

You draw your own conclusion.


The doctor who was on CNN wanted to complain but was told to never mind.

And L--

Hasan was a Captain at the time of this (these) lectures.

It is unbelievable that the Army wasn't on his door talking to him.

If this is all true, then I would think the Army holds responsibility in what happened.

Give them a military tribunal like FDR did--like Lincoln did.

And then keep them there.

There hasn't been a trial. IN SEVEN YEARS, IDIOT. Probably because people like you have no regard for American laws, or else you wouldn't want to keep them in a quasi legal situation. Why keep them there? We have facilities HERE.

The fact this guy used religion as his excuse is not appreciably different than the one who killed women at a gym because he couldn't get laid.

#15 | Posted by rcade at 2009-11-10 08:53 AM | Reply |

I'd add to this, and say that using religion as an excuse is entirely too common.

wtf is rcade talking about? You fire 100 rounds at innocent, unarmed people right after shouting allah akbar...what the fuck would you call that? Was it premeditated??? Did he rant against infidels?? Did he express approval of infidel murder???

It's not terrorism because he didn't 'offically' contact AQ? That inman...don't count him?


He did it out of hatred, shrouded around his religious hatred. He was a muslim terrorist extremist. FACE FACTS dude

Why the name calling Alex?


Under Bush they were trying to figure out what to do with these terrorists.

They had two or three cases go up to the SCOTUS.

They wanted tribunals and that got shelved.

Why not keep them there after whatever justice is employed?

Obama is magical--he can change the image of Gitmo--since that seems to be your problem.

It's all still prison--we don't need them here in our mainline prisons.

There is a perfectly good facility in Cuba--keep them there.


Why not keep them there after whatever justice is employed?


Obama is magical--he can change the image of Gitmo--since that seems to be your problem.


It's all still prison--we don't need them here in our mainline prisons.


There is a perfectly good facility in Cuba--keep them there.

#90 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-11-11 09:29 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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ANSWERGITMO is a boulder attached to Every Americans neck and must be removed in order for America to go forwards. We need to either charge them all let them have their Fair day in court and if Guilty lock em up in Florence Colorado Supermax. If they are innocent then we must release them. That is the American way after all.


Larry

#80 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2009-11-10 09:15 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Murph, apparently you didn't see the reverse case that happened today, or you didn't care to comment. This is the fruit of the hyper-media outlets such as Fox (and you) stirring up the pot.

www.tampabay.com"www.tampabay.com/a">Reservist attacks Greek Priest (mistaken for terrorist Greek Priest shouts Allah Ahkbar! Do you yet know when something is complete BS? Or will you find a neo-con macho justification?


Marine reservist Jasen Bruce was getting clothes out of the trunk of his car Monday evening when a bearded man in a robe approached him.

That man, a Greek Orthodox priest named Father Alexios Marakis, speaks little English and was lost, police said. He wanted directions.

What the priest got instead, police say, was a tire iron to the head. Then he was chased for three blocks and pinned to the ground as the Marine kept a 911 operator on the phone, saying he had captured a terrorist.

Police say Bruce offered several reasons to explain his actions:

The man tried to rob him.

The man grabbed Bruce's crotch and made an overt sexual advance in perfect English.

The man yelled "Allahu Akbar," Arabic for "God is great," the same words some witnesses said the Fort Hood shooting suspect uttered last week.

"That's what they tell you right before they blow you up," police say Bruce told them.

Bruce ended up in jail, accused of aggravated battery with a deadly weapon. He was released Tuesday on $7,500 bail. Marakis ended up at the hospital with stitches. He told the police he didn't want to press charges, espousing biblical forgiveness.

But Tuesday, Bruce wasn't saying sorry.


Murphy- you didn't answer my question.


Murphy never answers, only poses questions - she is like her heroine Sarah Palin - only "Questions" about our "patriotism" our "values" our "reality", all of which are transparently ambivalent, not to mention deeply offensive and racist and homophoebic, but disguised as "normal"... creepy

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