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Monday, November 09, 2009

Tea Party activists and others on the right, including Pat Buchanan and WorldNetDaily (WND) publisher Joseph Farah, have embraced the theories of Igor Panarin, a former KGB operative who predicts that the U.S. will collapse into smaller countries at some point around 2010. In a survey of 3,000 WND readers, more than half agreed that "the US is on course to break up soon."

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Igor Panarin and articles from Pravda. Boy, not many arrows in the loons' quiver these days.

Here's this guy's map of what the US is going to look like: strangemaps.files.wordpress.co
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Here's another suggesetion: www.rumormillnews.com

I like the second version, I'd rather be part of Cuba than the Deep South.


I like the second version, I'd rather be part of Cuba than the Deep South.

Posted by danni at 2009-11-09 09:38 AM | Reply APPARENTLY CANNOT OPERATE A BOAT

In response, DR Progressives are now forming their own whiny grassroot groups, and will start scheduling Pee Parties this week.

will start scheduling Pee Parties this week
#4 | Posted by cookfish

You do that.
And don't bother reporting back.

"The Texas Republic will be either part of Mexico or under Mexican influence..."

Like hell.

"under Mexican influence..."

That ship has sailed.

fucking crazy people..

its not eee-gor, its eye-gor.

The face of the GOP. Scha-weet.

The second version would be too good to be true. My wonderful Southland free at last. No more hateful yankee interference. We could soon free our land of the foreign and yankee invaders.

Igor Panarin and articles from Pravda. Boy, not many arrows in the loons' quiver these days.

Nanc is a big Pravda devotee these days. Especially the letters to the editor section.

So many America haters, so few cells....

"The second version would be too good to be true. My wonderful Southland free at last. No more hateful yankee interference. We could soon free our land of the foreign and yankee invaders."

Who brought you air conditioning, Dodge Ram trucks, big-screen HDTV, cable, Internet porn, and fast food - all the things present-day Southern culture is based on.

Fried chicken and gasoline. Yum.

You assholes may think different if your grocery stores go empty. What are you city people going to do if your supply of imported resources is cut? Could you go on for weeks? Months? You can't even produce your own fresh water.


"You assholes may think different if your grocery stores go empty. What are you city people going to do if your supply of imported resources is cut? Could you go on for weeks? Months? You can't even produce your own fresh water. "

Which assholes are you talking to?

Guess what--no region of America can be self-sufficient anymore. Not one. Well, okay, after a decade of serious fucking upheaval.

This is great fiction, btw. Read Richard K. Morgan's novel 13 for a geographic redistricting that is just as plausible, perhaps moreso. (Seriously. Great fuckin' book, and cool-ass political backdrop.)

In a similar study, more than 50% of Daily Kos readers embrace the ridiculous and illogical theories of anthropogenic global warning, stimulus-based economic policy, socialist medical care systems and that Obama is God.

The only people I hear crying about the end of the world are Libs over the topics above.

Which assholes are you talking to?

Assholes who see names like Buchanan or WND and automatically scoff.

Regardless of how unlikely this scenario is, it is possible and worth some thought. What would you do in a serious emergency. Could you survive?

Well, okay, after a decade of serious fucking upheaval.


....

Besides the fact the Russians are openly laughing at us.

They will never get Alaska. Igor, and the rest of those commie bastards, better believe that.

Let's face facts. 'Tea Partiers' believe any BS as this video shows:

www.youtube.com

Speaking of KGB check out the bit about 'Czars' at 6:00:

www.youtube.com

where is Ray when we need him?

Wall Street is doing to America what private equity firms did to Simmons Bedding and many other productive companies. Taking control with borrowed money, stripping assets, slashing jobs and cashing out.

Taxpayer bailouts saved Wall Street from choking on its own greed. Now, as the Wall Street Journal reports, "Major U.S. banks and securities firms are on pace to pay their employees about $140 billion this year -- a record high."

$140 billion is more than the combined budgets of the U.S. Departments of Commerce, Education, Energy, Housing and Urban Development, the National Science Foundation and the Environmental Protection Agency.

$700 billion to Wall Street. 27 States need $350 billion to continue functioning, but will not receive it.

This guy is a kook..

He's been around blathering this stuff for some time.

And I am not buying that people "believe" what he says.

"ridiculous and illogical theories of anthropogenic global warning", 1000s of scientists versus Rush, who you gonna believe?
"stimulus-based economic policy", New Deal never happened, Herbie Hoover saved us all.

socialist medical care systems Every western nation successfuly does it, GOPpers gladly pay for Israelis and Iraqis to enjoy it.

Why does the right hate reality and America so much?

This guy is a kook. He's been around blathering this stuff for some time. And I am not buying that people "believe" what he says. - Murphy

Birds of a feather flock together. You've been doing your own blathering about EL displays. Imagine a President having new technology to display information or for videoconferencing during a meeting with the Joint Chiefs.

"Assholes who see names like Buchanan or WND and automatically scoff."

I don't automatically scoff. I actually read a WND article last week, and then I scoffed. It was sooo fucking biased, what was the point? Anyone who criticizes alleged bias of the MSM then points to crap like that needs a logic transplant. (It's almost like those who say "The libbies insulted Bush for years while I complained about that treatment; so now I get to say stupid insulting inane sophomoric shit about the current president.")

"Regardless of how unlikely this scenario is, it is possible and worth some thought. What would you do in a serious emergency. Could you survive?"

Are you a survivalist? I have thought about it some. I think the end-of-civilization-as-we-
know-it shit is the stuff of great fiction. If it hits us in real life, most of us are just fucked. Barring unforeseen war or huge dearth of food, I expect our daily lives will get harder and harder, not so much see the serious upheaval I noted earlier. I expect this stuff, if it happens, will happen so gradually that most of us will survive, albeit with much belt-tightening, perhaps restrictions of freedoms, etc. I don't see jackboots and tunnels and hidden survival spaces as being necessary. I hope I'm not wrong.

Thanks for clarifying, to the degree that you did.

Murphy

All these Tea Partiers believe every kooky thing Beck and right wing morons tell them ... how befuddled they are when confronted with actual facts:

www.youtube.com

Guess what--no region of America can be self-sufficient anymore. Not one. Well, okay, after a decade of serious fucking upheaval.

Forget regions, our entire nation can't be self-sufficient. We need imported oil to make our shiny metal boxes go "vroom!"

Does anybody remember "Amerika," the miniseries with Kris Kristofferson? America comes under Soviet rule, and splits into a bunch of separate countries at the end.

en.wikipedia.org

The divided United States

In this fictional timeline, the United States Congress divided the United States into several "administrative areas" in 1988, roughly one year after the Soviet takeover. As the miniseries progresses, these areas are planned to become separate nations, joined together in a new North American Alliance. A map shown onscreen reveals these administrative areas to be:

* California Special District: California, Nevada
* Western Semi-Autonomous: Colorado, Idaho, Montana, Utah, Wyoming
* Northwest: Oregon, Washington
* Southwest: Arizona, New Mexico
* North Central: Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota, Wisconsin
* Central: Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska (this is Peter Bradford's administrative area, and the territory which eventually becomes Heartland, with Omaha as its capital)
* South Central: Arkansas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Texas
* Southern: Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi
* Mid-Atlantic: Delaware, Maryland, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia
* Appalachia: Kentucky, Tennessee, West Virginia
* Ameritech: Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania (presumably named after the phone company that serviced these areas)
* Northeastern: Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, Vermont

In addition to these administrative areas, Washington, D.C. apparently comprises its own National Administrative District, South Florida is described by a character as the "Space Zone," and there is a passing reference to three "International Cities," which are not specified.

I do remember that, Snoofy. The political breakdown in the novel I mentioned earlier is much more reflective of current political reality (one of the regions is called Jesus Land--yes, an actual "country" called Jesus Land).

And Snoof, dontcha know that if we would just drill baby drill we wouldn't have to import any of them furriners' awl? (Which of course, misses the point--it's not our addiction to foreign oil that we need to rid ourselves of; it's our addiction to OIL).

Your shiny metal boxes phrase reminds me of a police song (Synchronicity I?). Deliberate?

Tea party folks are from all over, not just the South in case there are still dumb nuts that don't know any better, and likes to racially divide the South from the North, and fight the civil war all over again.

Cuba may be better for all than the deep South as well as the North, and all States in between before this administration is over DANNI, so you go on down and live with them I'm sure the deep South will never miss you in the least. I ain't telling no one where I'm going, because I don't want to find the place completely filled before I get there.

WOKE, give us a link that proves Joseph Farah has embraced Igor Panarin's theories that predicts the U.S. will break down into smaller countries at some point in 2010. I have searched on WND and haven't been able to locate any such language.

I'm not saying it isn't true, but I would like to see it for myself, he might have a revelation there, but I think it will take a little longer, than 2010.

Oh yea I would vote for Pat Buchanan any day if he would run on an independant ticket...

You know the only contempt I have for the Tea baggers is this. Most are Republican who claim they were fed up with Dubya's spending but waited until He was safely out of office to speak out. That is bullshit. If You have a problem with the current WH occupant You should say something then and there. Not wait until He is safely out of office before You open Your yaps. BULLSHIT.

Larry

Larry - you'd be surprised at how many are republicans - I've met MANY who are democrats - we're all fed up - there's no party line within the TPP movement. There are anarchists and green party people within. Some people DO think for themselves. Few they may be.

Some people DO think for themselves. Few they may be.

#34 | Posted by nanc

That's true, but you sure in the hell aren't one of them, you reactionary bible-thumping, bigoted little airhead.

How the Fuck does the Republican Party get anyone elected in this Country...Americans as a group must be the dumbest Bastard on this Earth.....An the World depends on us to lead, WHAT THE FUCK!!!!!!!!

Nanc why didn't Your party speak out when Dubya was trashing the economy and everything with it?? Hell I lambaste Obama all the time here and I fell in love with the dude so what is Your excuse for not speaking out against Dubya when He was in office???

Larry

Larry - You weren't listening. Glenn Beck, for one, was all over Bush for at least two years before he left office - he has a huge audience - were you listening? Apparently not. I was all over him and got nothing but, "PSHAWS!", from people on the right - treating me like I was carrying the plague. Your side DOES NOT listen. As you're not listening now.

Take numbers 35 and 36 - are they willing to give ANYBODY on the right a chance? NO, they are not. Why should we even try?

Your shiny metal boxes phrase reminds me of a police song (Synchronicity I?). Deliberate?

Nope, it just percolated up through the meme recycler intact I guess. I do remember the song though.

Trapped like lemmings inside shiny metal boxes / contestants in a suicidal race.

Who cares, my shiny metal box has leather seats and satellite radio, I'm in it to win it!

And Snoof, dontcha know that if we would just drill baby drill we wouldn't have to import any of them furriners' awl? (Which of course, misses the point--it's not our addiction to foreign oil that we need to rid ourselves of; it's our addiction to OIL).

The significant roadblock to energy independence is the amount of money American corporations stand to lose if our dependency ends. Unfortunately, so long as our dollar is the preferred currency for buying oil, we will always have a dog in this race.

We are addicted to oil, that's true. But an underlying problem it's that there's no way to achieve what in the utility industry is called "decoupling."

That's true, but you sure in the hell aren't one of them, you reactionary bible-thumping, bigoted little airhead.

#35 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-11-10 12:02 AM | Reply | Flag:Yawn

Did you ever hear the one about the worthless little Leftist puke who cried "Reactionary!", Billy?

Why do you call yourselves Tea Party? And why don't you dress up like Indians like the original Tea Party did? Then you might earn some respect from me.

Also engage in some actual civil disobedience. Roll over a cop car or something. Sit in the streets and block traffic. Prove to me you're serious and not just a kinder, gentler version of the Westboro Baptist Church.

#41 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao at 2009-11-10 12:12 AM | Reply | Flag: Trustfund rancher occupying stolen property, i.e., thief.

Keep in mind....All of the Nuclear Weapons in the arsenal of the United States of America are manufactured at the Pantex Plant in Amarillo Texas...That means that Texas would be a Nuclear Power...

Word to Mexico...YOUR GRANDCHILDREN WILL SPEAK ENGLISH..

Word to the Northeast...You will SHUT THE HELL UP

Keep in mind....All of the Nuclear Weapons in the arsenal of the United States of America are manufactured at the Pantex Plant in Amarillo Texas...That means that Texas would be a Nuclear Power...

No, cable news will show a short clip of the FBI raid on some backwater fuck's militia compound. That will be the extent of Texas' great insurrection.

The "nuculer" ambitions are a nice touch, though a bit reminiscent of some cheesy spy movie. Go ahead, Chuck Norris, nuke us. You dumbasses get to enjoy the fallout.

Texas? Texas is a Joke...a Bad and Stupid Joke to be sure...but still just a Joke!!!

If the United States does collapse, Texans realize that we would be fighting a two front war...The remnants of the federal government on our northern border...And Mexico on our southern border...

Polls show that the 3rd greatest concern of Texans is the possible collapse of the United States of America.

Go ahead, make fun of us...we are used to it..

"Polls show that the 3rd greatest concern of Texans is the possible collapse of the United States of America."

Number 2: Their Congressman might not be corrupt enough.

Number 1: The 'Boys might not make the playoffs.

"The second version would be too good to be true. My wonderful Southland free at last. No more hateful yankee interference. We could soon free our land of the foreign and yankee invaders.

#11 | Posted by rebelnation"

You will also be free of the net tax subsidies from the "Yankees" that keep your redneck white trash ass from falling into the stone age.

Guess what--no region of America can be self-sufficient anymore.

Not exactly true. While some of the more modern, reliant-on-the-machine areas of the south and mid-west would have big problems after several days with no food or water, the rural areas would be fine for the most part.

How the Fuck does the Republican Party get anyone elected in this Country...Americans as a group must be the dumbest Bastard on this Earth.....An the World depends on us to lead, WHAT THE FUCK!!!!!!!!

self retorting retort.

You will also be free of the net tax subsidies from the "Yankees" that keep your redneck white trash ass from falling into the stone age.

Got any statistics on the black folks that receive those subsidies or does your calculator only work for crackers?

Tea Party activists and others on the right, including Pat Buchanan and WorldNetDaily (WND) publisher Joseph Farah, have embraced the theories of Igor Panarin, a former KGB operative who predicts that the U.S. will collapse into smaller countries at some point around 2010. In a survey of 3,000 WND readers, more than half agreed that "the US is on course to break up soon."

Posted by woke


...and you guys believe the Earth is die in the next few years if you don't raise taxes.....

Which is more likely?

"and you guys believe the Earth is die in the next few years"

Your bases is ours!

My wonderful Southland free at last. No more hateful yankee interference. We could soon free our land of the foreign and yankee invaders.

#11 | POSTED BY REBELNATION AT 2009-11-09 10:06 PM


Monday, September 27, 2004
The Tax Foundation has released a fascinating report showing which states benefit from federal tax and spending policies, and which states foot the bill.
The report shows that of the 32 states (and the District of Columbia) that are "winners" -- receiving more in federal spending than they pay in federal taxes -- 76% are Red States that voted for George Bush in 2000. Indeed, 17 of the 20 (85%) states receiving the most federal spending per dollar of federal taxes paid are Red States. Here are the Top 10 states that feed at the federal trough (with Red States highlighted in bold):

States Receiving Most in Federal Spending Per Dollar of Federal Taxes Paid:
1. D.C. ($6.17)
2. North Dakota ($2.03)
3. New Mexico ($1.89)
4. Mississippi ($1.84)
5. Alaska ($1.82)
6. West Virginia ($1.74)
7. Montana ($1.64)
8. Alabama ($1.61)
9. South Dakota ($1.59)
10. Arkansas ($1.53)
In contrast, of the 16 states that are "losers" -- receiving less in federal spending than they pay in federal taxes -- 69% are Blue States that voted for Al Gore in 2000. Indeed, 11 of the 14 (79%) of the states receiving the least federal spending per dollar of federal taxes paid are Blue States. Here are the Top 10 states that supply feed for the federal trough (with Blue States highlighted in bold):
States Receiving Least in Federal Spending Per Dollar of Federal Taxes Paid:
1. New Jersey ($0.62)
2. Connecticut ($0.64)
3. New Hampshire ($0.68)
4. Nevada ($0.73)
5. Illinois ($0.77)
6. Minnesota ($0.77)
7. Colorado ($0.79)
8. Massachusetts ($0.79)
9. California ($0.81)
10. New York ($0.81)
taxprof.typepad.com

Got any statistics on the black folks that receive those subsidies or does your calculator only work for crackers?

#50 | POSTED BY AXIOM AT 2009-11-10 05:55 AM


Your racism is duly noted, bro, but does the fed govt decide who gets welfare to work based on race? Since when?

Remember, welfare and bankruptcy were REFORMED during Clinton's tenure (and the Contract ON American, repug congress) in the 90's.

On individual citizens that is.

Corporations, not at all.....they are free to receive as much welfare and discharge their debts and liabilities as they see fit.

"We could soon free our land of the foreign and yankee invaders"
~The Late Ashley Wilkes

"...and you guys believe the Earth is die in the next few years if you don't raise taxes....."

Translation into English???

yes, an actual "country" called Jesus Land

/obligatory.

On Topic?

Teabaggers eager to make Obama look like the anti-Christ mixed with Hitler have latched onto the wingnutty theory that the US is due to breakup soon. A theory espoused by somebody named Igor, an ex-KGB agent and future guest on Coast2Coast?

*facepalm*

Wow, wot's the point of ridiculing folks like that?

They're already doing such a good job of making themselves look ridiculous that the only thing left to do now is laugh and point.

Ha-Ha!

Be Well.

/As ya do
stage left.

"...and you guys believe the Earth is die in the next few years if you don't raise taxes....."
Translation into English???
#56 | Posted by danni

The statement is more nuanced, albeit fully as idiotic, in the original Mandalorian.

I got a laugh at the first map. It shows Hawaii a part of China or Japan. Good luck wrestling the nuclear sub bases and missile defense shield from the US government.

At any rate, because of the DHS, which the tea party fuckups all supported from the start, there will be no insurgents breaking away from the union with out one hell of a civil war. If that happens, it would be a long drawn out war simply because it would have to fought with terrorist tactics and guerrilla warfare. I can just see all the hogs in the republican party crawling through the bushes with their non-auto assault weapons eating varmints and roots while they plot how they will kill all the libbies on welfare and burn Washington to the ground. How the hell are they going to pack their TV's and their hot tubs?

...just like puke Putin a KGB hack, these operatives have a grip on the fantasy-minded, perhaps well meaning gullible Americans. However, we can always learn from history, if desired to do so:

Roman Empire was devided up into two periods: the Principate, which lasted from the reign of Augustus, the first emperor, to the reign of Diocletian; and the Dominate, which lasted from the reign of iocletian until the fall of the Western Empire. Under the principate, the emperors were still considered merely the "first citizen" (which is at "princeps" means), and under the first two emperors, as I mentioned, their actual power was disguised to keep up the illusion of a republic. Diocletian, however, thoroughly overhauled the State when he came to power towards the end of the third century AD, confirming a number of long-term trends and enacting new laws and edicts to transform the emperor from the "first citizen" into a truly imperial monarch on the Persian model, surrounded with elaborate court ceremony, regal costumes, ornate uniforms, etc. He also debased the coinage, enacted wage and price controls, increased taxes enormously, and pushed the Empire much further along the road to becoming a state so oppressive that its citizens often found themselves better off living under the rule of the invading barbarians. Does anything sound familiar?

#4 | Posted by cookfish at 2009-11-09 10:16 AM | Reply | Flag: In the closet's closets' closet.

"Does anything sound familiar?"

Only to those who are morons.

Wage & Price controls....Richard Nixon

Increased taxes enormously.....Max. income tax rate was 90% under Eisenhoser

Debased the coinage.....Ronnie Raygun, Bush 1 & Bush 2 ran up the debt before Obama ever entered the office.

"and pushed the Empire much further along the road to becoming a state so oppressive that its citizens often found themselves better off living under the rule of the invading barbarians"

You talking about the Patriot Act or what???

...and you guys believe the Earth is die in the next few years if you don't raise taxes.....

#51 | Posted by STIRSUMUP at 2009-11-10 06:10 AM | Reply | Flag

Banana's eat more squid.

enacting new laws and edicts to transform the emperor from the "first citizen" into a truly imperial monarch on the Persian model, surrounded with elaborate court ceremony, regal costumes, ornate uniforms, etc.

Are you referring to Reagan's funeral, Reagan National Airport, and the movement to add Reagan's likeness to Mount Rushmore?

Banana's eat more squid.
#63 | Posted by 726

LOL. The Wittgensteinian region of my brain (small yet significant) just died a little.

Ouch.

Your racism is duly noted, bro, but does the fed govt decide who gets welfare to work based on race? Since when?

It's not racism. He claims that the money from the north saves our "White trash asses" here in the south. Since he seems to have done the research, I'd like him to fill me in on what percentage of "yankee tax subsidies" go to white folks versus black folks versus other minorities in the south.

That way, we'll know whether he's directing his rage at poor white people because he's tired of sending them money or if he just needs someone to direct his hate toward, but he's scared of being called a racist.

"The significant roadblock to energy independence is the amount of money American corporations stand to lose if our dependency ends. Unfortunately, so long as our dollar is the preferred currency for buying oil, we will always have a dog in this race."

And "the economy" is given as the reason not to change so many things. Like healthcare--if the insurance industry dies, so many people will be out of work. So then address that instead of using it as a fucking excuse. (That wasn't addressed to Snoof, clearly.)

+++++

"Not exactly true. While some of the more modern, reliant-on-the-machine areas of the south and mid-west would have big problems after several days with no food or water, the rural areas would be fine for the most part."

Okay, I made a sweeping comment. But really, we are all interconnected. Rural areas like in the Northeast? How would Vermont be self-sufficient? They might be, but not without serious (even more serious) poverty issues and serious adjustments in what is eaten, how they drive, etc. The world is not what it was even 50 years ago, regarding farming, say.

+++++

"Your bases is ours!"

Close. It's "All your base are belong to us." (Here endeth the Meme Nazi's moment in the sun.)

Why does the right hate reality and America so much?

#25 | Posted by northguy3


What in the world does this assertion being made have to do with hating America? These people hold a wild belief that America will split into smaller parts, but say nothing about hating the country. And just because they believe this may happen does not mean that they want it to. The Russians may want it to, but not the Americans who agree with them.

Finally, you ask that question a lot so let me answer it for you once and for all. The right does not hate America at all. The right loves America and always will. You can now stop asking the question.

These people hold a wild belief that America will split into smaller parts, but say nothing about hating the country. And just because they believe this may happen does not mean that they want it to. The Russians may want it to, but not the Americans who agree with them.
Finally, you ask that question a lot so let me answer it for you once and for all. The right does not hate America at all. The right loves America and always will. You can now stop asking the question.

#68 | POSTED BY EVERLONG AT 2009-11-10 10:10 AM


The right, which in the current case is comprised of many DIXIECRATS and red southern states have this delusion that somehow the CONFEDERATES won the civil war and secession is near.

They didn't and it isn't.

The confederates LOST.

Get over it.


Or listen to the KGB for you tea party talking points.....

Okay, I made a sweeping comment. But really, we are all interconnected. Rural areas like in the Northeast? How would Vermont be self-sufficient? They might be, but not without serious (even more serious) poverty issues and serious adjustments in what is eaten, how they drive, etc. The world is not what it was even 50 years ago, regarding farming, say.

There are homesteaders in Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine...all over the north.

A friend and his wife just moved to Montana to Homestead. It won't be easy. They'll have a shorter growing season, but there are methods to preparing the ground that can be used to extend growing seasons well into winter when the ground would be frozen.

Poverty is measured in terms of income, but I know plenty of people who live below the federal poverty line that never go hungry, who's children always have the proper clothing and are in outstanding physical and mental condition. They do without some things, they make some things on their own and they fix others until it can't be fixed anymore.

Some people would do fine. It would be like nothing had really changed that much. More people would likely die from exposure in the first few days than any subsequent starvation, pestilence or violence.

Yes, the Rebellion was put down, albeit at great cost. Personally I believe we would have been better off letting them go.

Personally I believe we would have been better off letting them go.

Not me.

I have great pride in being born and raised in the south. There's a great deal of heritage and tradition here for everyone, despite the roots in slavery.

But when it comes down to it, I'm also proud to have been born in the United States of America. Despite its flaws, people still want to come here. That's because of the idea that this country represents.

"The right loves America and always will."

I know they claim to love the country but their actions don't seem to support their claims. I think what they really love is a memory of a country that existed on Leave it to Beaver and Father Knows Best. Even in those days that country they remember didn't really even exist.

Saturday, September 6, 2008
1:36:00 PM EDT
Alaska: The Welfare State

Ahhhh, Alaska, the North to the Future state. Where many love to tell us how tough they are and how much disdain they have for the lower 48 and the federal government. That is until it comes to sucking money north to the future from the federal teat in the way of earmarks.
Alaska, which ranks 47th in population is number 1 in acquiring federal earmarks. In 2008, while the average state received approximately $50 per capita in federal earmarks, Alaska citizens received $506. This was thanks to indicted Alaska Senator Ted Stevens aptly named the earmarker in chief. It amounts to 10 times the national average. This makes Alaska the biggest welfare state in the nation.
This year Alaska has requested 31 earmarks worth $197.8 million for next years federal budget. In fiscal year 2008 Alaska received $379,669,715! That is nearly $100 million more than any other state received.
Many earmarks are viewed as positive for voters, but particularly in Alaska. They are important for some community functions and even some analysts agree that earmarks, in the long run, ending up saving taxpayers money. While there is truth in that one must look closely at what those earmarks really fund and whether is was really necessary at the time.
While Sarah Palin is hoodwinking the nation as a reformer and denier of earmarks - her claims of telling the federal government "thanks but no thanks..." on the money for the bridge to nowhere - the truth tells another story. She took the money earmarked for that bridge and Alaska is now using it to build access ramps to a bridge that doesn't exist and transportation access to Steven's hometown. During her tenure as mayor of small town Wasilla (pop. approximately 6700 during her time as mayor), She managed to secure over $27 million in federal earmarks from 2000 to 2003. That equates to nearly $6.7 million a year for a town that of only 6700 people. Below is an analysis from Taxpayers for Common Sense by Center for American Progress Action Fund Senior Fellow Scott Lilly.


journals.aol.com

Woke#74 Your link died OCT 30, 2008 You can't prove your story by that link.


I like the second version, I'd rather be part of Cuba than the Deep South.

#2 | Posted by danni at 2009-11-


well at least you admit it..good for you.

so surely there is a boat leaving soon? lol

ba dump dump!!!!

even though it IS the great state of TEXAS...maybe we should think about dividing up into those 5 states..
think of it...

FIVE REPUBLICAN senators to take back the country..

75

So, because the link is no longer, the facts contained in the article aren't true in your little mind?

No wonder.

The right wing revisionists love you, eh?


LMFAO

#77 | Posted by afkabl2

Sure, but California would then get 7.

And you would remain a loser.

Works for me.

even though it IS the great state of TEXAS...maybe we should think about dividing up into those 5 states..
think of it...

The Chinese flag-making industry also supports your idea.

I'm a wanted man in Texas, busted jail and I'm gone for good.
Sheriff couldn't catch me, but his little girl sure wish she would.
Weir/Barlow

And don't bother reporting back.

#5 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Who in the hell reports to you? Are you the new kink?

"There are homesteaders in Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine...all over the north. "

We're having two separate discussions, I think, Mr. Axiom. And that's okay. My comment was more about large areas, not about individuals.

But this is all the stuff of great fiction, so I really don't care. : )

+++++

"So, because the link is no longer, the facts contained in the article aren't true in your little mind?"

Woke, I'm not taking sides, but that's not what he said. If we can't read the article, we can't see the larger context of what you quoted (I missed your post, so I don't know that you quoted) or the information you're point us to. Certainly, if you make conclusions based on something, then point us to evidence but the evidence is lacking, how can we conclude whether to agree or disagree? (And this from a guy who generally agrees with your worldview.)

Prag.

I POSTED the article. You can read it here at 74.

What? YOu think I wrote it?

LOL

Thanks for the support anyhow....

Woke#74 Your link died OCT 30, 2008 You can't prove your story by that link.

Well that tears it. No linky no truthy.

I guess it's beyond feelygoody to research it on his own. Damn, he'd have to put down his drinky.

"What? YOu think I wrote it?"

No, silly. I was just looking at the text of your enemy's comment. I missed yours. I can only read so much. : )

There's too much survivalist nonsense on this one for me to handle. I wonder if we should start a novel-writing thread. One sentence at a time, but you can only look at the post just before yours... I'll start. "On November 10, 2009, a man in New England looked out his window and saw a squirrel, a black squirrel, staring down a Jack Russell Terrier on the sidewalk."

#85

LOL

#86

The squirrel said, "Hey Jack, where are my nuts?"

Sure, but California would then get 7.


And you would remain a loser.


Works for me.

#79 | Posted by Manypaths at


so california also has the right to divide>?
I didnt know that.

since that state now has ROBBED THE PEOPLE of ten per cent of thier income maybe they should think about it.

HIDE THE INTERNS

blowjob billy was in town in that closed door meeting..........(do dems have any other kind of meeting lately)
and he also used the pornagraphic reference to insult millions of american citizens.

well what do you expect from just another democrat lying piece of fuckin dogshit.

Afk, link? I don't even know what you mean.

you mean about clinton?

if so..
let me get it for you?

is this what you were referring to?


abcnews.go.com

Thanks, Afk--of course, it was what _you_ were referring to, not what I was referring to. ; )

And your reference made it sound as if Clinton used the term "teabaggers"--he might have, but that's not clear in the article. In the quote, this Whitehouse guy (funny name) says it. So how do you know Clinton said it.

Besides, what was funny to me was that "teabaggers," when I first saw it some time last spring (I think), was used by some of those tea party folks to refer to themselves. Given the rightwing stance on homosexuality, gay marriage, etc., I found that marvelously entertaining. My guess is that once those folks realized what it went, they stopped using it.

Further, I'd like to see evidence (not from Fox News or Glenn Beck) that there are MILLIONS of tea partiers. So far, the clear evidence I've seen is tens of thousands--still noteworthy to me, but not millions.

And btw, I just thought of something: it's called the Fox NEWS Channel, right? So even if there's opinion on it, it's still calling itself a news organization, implying to a great many viewers that what they get there is news. See where I'm going? While the same is true of Cable News Network (CNN), ABC and NBC and CBS are simply "television networks." Dunno if it really means anything, but I thought I'd throw it out there. I don't really give a shit for my own news-gathering; I don't watch any of them.

Tea Partiers Believe KGB Doomsayer


Posted by woke


LOL!!!!

Who cares?


Woke, the Libs have so much to fix with themselves.


Pay attention to fixing yourself before you pick on Americans. OK?

Why is this loony?


It's a great idea!


Look what's happening at the Federal level. They can't get a badly needed Health Reform bill passed because you have half the country who wants Universal Health Care or Single Payer and the other half who wants to deregulate medicine completely.

It's very reasonable to regionalize this dilemma. Chop up the health responsibility into 5 or 6 regions where each makes policy on their own.

It's not working as the Constitution was set up to make States responsible for the health and wellbeing of its residents. It's perfectly spelled out in the Constitution, but it doesn't work. WHY???


I'll give you an idea:


Population of Canada: 33,212,696

Population of California: 36,756,666


Canada, because of its smaller population can provide health care nation wide. (And it still doesn't work)


Again, what is so loony about the idea?

"Pay attention to fixing yourself before you pick on Americans. OK?"

Eddie just proved his patriotism and sense of what America is again. LIberals aren't Americans? You ASS.

+++++

"(And it still doesn't work)"

How do you know? Do you live in Canada? Are you believing the canards about long lines for basic services? *sigh*

That said, I have little problem with the American empire dying. Well, except we do, in a fucked-up way, keep some semblance of peace in the world. (Whoops. There goes my liberal membership.) What would the world look like now if America ceased to be a (the?) military superpower?

What?

Nothing about how Kenny (half a million to elect bush) Lay and Enron screwed the people of California out of BILLIONS of dollars in energy speculation manipulation?

Or the STILL secret energy meetings held in 2001 by hallichainy with the energy ceos?

Oh, I forgot, in rw minds, it is still all bubba's fault.

Why doesn't that suprise me?

Eddie


FYI, we are all Americans.

Over half the population are dems, indys and/or never vote at all.

You belong to a tiny minority who championed a FAILED neocon govt that bankrupted the usa and embroiled us in two unnecessary invasions/occupations for the profit of a few, costing us our dear treasure of veterans, and billions a day.

On Veteran's Day, I say to you, "join up or stfu"

Or go back to listening to your KGB talking points

The pathetic, failed neocon supporters have been relegated to invoking the name of a potus who left office on Jan 20th, 2001, 8 1/2 years ago.

too fkn funny

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