Igor Panarin and articles from Pravda. Boy, not many arrows in the loons' quiver these days.

I like the second version, I'd rather be part of Cuba than the Deep South.

I like the second version, I'd rather be part of Cuba than the Deep South.

Posted by danni at 2009-11-09 09:38 AM | Reply APPARENTLY CANNOT OPERATE A BOAT

In response, DR Progressives are now forming their own whiny grassroot groups, and will start scheduling Pee Parties this week.

will start scheduling Pee Parties this week
#4 | Posted by cookfish

You do that.
And don't bother reporting back.

"The Texas Republic will be either part of Mexico or under Mexican influence..."

Like hell.

"under Mexican influence..."

That ship has sailed.

fucking crazy people..

its not eee-gor, its eye-gor.

The face of the GOP. Scha-weet.

The second version would be too good to be true. My wonderful Southland free at last. No more hateful yankee interference. We could soon free our land of the foreign and yankee invaders.

Igor Panarin and articles from Pravda. Boy, not many arrows in the loons' quiver these days.

Nanc is a big Pravda devotee these days. Especially the letters to the editor section.

So many America haters, so few cells....

"The second version would be too good to be true. My wonderful Southland free at last. No more hateful yankee interference. We could soon free our land of the foreign and yankee invaders."

Who brought you air conditioning, Dodge Ram trucks, big-screen HDTV, cable, Internet porn, and fast food - all the things present-day Southern culture is based on.

Fried chicken and gasoline. Yum.

You assholes may think different if your grocery stores go empty. What are you city people going to do if your supply of imported resources is cut? Could you go on for weeks? Months? You can't even produce your own fresh water.

"You assholes may think different if your grocery stores go empty. What are you city people going to do if your supply of imported resources is cut? Could you go on for weeks? Months? You can't even produce your own fresh water. "

Which assholes are you talking to?

Guess what--no region of America can be self-sufficient anymore. Not one. Well, okay, after a decade of serious fucking upheaval.

This is great fiction, btw. Read Richard K. Morgan's novel 13 for a geographic redistricting that is just as plausible, perhaps moreso. (Seriously. Great fuckin' book, and cool-ass political backdrop.)

In a similar study, more than 50% of Daily Kos readers embrace the ridiculous and illogical theories of anthropogenic global warning, stimulus-based economic policy, socialist medical care systems and that Obama is God.

The only people I hear crying about the end of the world are Libs over the topics above.

Which assholes are you talking to?

Assholes who see names like Buchanan or WND and automatically scoff.

Regardless of how unlikely this scenario is, it is possible and worth some thought. What would you do in a serious emergency. Could you survive?

Well, okay, after a decade of serious fucking upheaval.

....

Besides the fact the Russians are openly laughing at us.

They will never get Alaska. Igor, and the rest of those commie bastards, better believe that.

Speaking of KGB check out the bit about 'Czars' at 6:00:

where is Ray when we need him?

Wall Street is doing to America what private equity firms did to Simmons Bedding and many other productive companies. Taking control with borrowed money, stripping assets, slashing jobs and cashing out.

Taxpayer bailouts saved Wall Street from choking on its own greed. Now, as the Wall Street Journal reports, "Major U.S. banks and securities firms are on pace to pay their employees about $140 billion this year -- a record high."

$140 billion is more than the combined budgets of the U.S. Departments of Commerce, Education, Energy, Housing and Urban Development, the National Science Foundation and the Environmental Protection Agency.

$700 billion to Wall Street. 27 States need $350 billion to continue functioning, but will not receive it.

This guy is a kook..

He's been around blathering this stuff for some time.

And I am not buying that people "believe" what he says.

"ridiculous and illogical theories of anthropogenic global warning", 1000s of scientists versus Rush, who you gonna believe?
"stimulus-based economic policy", New Deal never happened, Herbie Hoover saved us all.

socialist medical care systems Every western nation successfuly does it, GOPpers gladly pay for Israelis and Iraqis to enjoy it.

Why does the right hate reality and America so much?

This guy is a kook. He's been around blathering this stuff for some time. And I am not buying that people "believe" what he says. - Murphy

Birds of a feather flock together. You've been doing your own blathering about EL displays. Imagine a President having new technology to display information or for videoconferencing during a meeting with the Joint Chiefs.

"Assholes who see names like Buchanan or WND and automatically scoff."

I don't automatically scoff. I actually read a WND article last week, and then I scoffed. It was sooo fucking biased, what was the point? Anyone who criticizes alleged bias of the MSM then points to crap like that needs a logic transplant. (It's almost like those who say "The libbies insulted Bush for years while I complained about that treatment; so now I get to say stupid insulting inane sophomoric shit about the current president.")

"Regardless of how unlikely this scenario is, it is possible and worth some thought. What would you do in a serious emergency. Could you survive?"

Are you a survivalist? I have thought about it some. I think the end-of-civilization-as-we-
know-it shit is the stuff of great fiction. If it hits us in real life, most of us are just fucked. Barring unforeseen war or huge dearth of food, I expect our daily lives will get harder and harder, not so much see the serious upheaval I noted earlier. I expect this stuff, if it happens, will happen so gradually that most of us will survive, albeit with much belt-tightening, perhaps restrictions of freedoms, etc. I don't see jackboots and tunnels and hidden survival spaces as being necessary. I hope I'm not wrong.

Thanks for clarifying, to the degree that you did.

Murphy

All these Tea Partiers believe every kooky thing Beck and right wing morons tell them ... how befuddled they are when confronted with actual facts:

Guess what--no region of America can be self-sufficient anymore. Not one. Well, okay, after a decade of serious fucking upheaval.

Forget regions, our entire nation can't be self-sufficient. We need imported oil to make our shiny metal boxes go "vroom!"

Does anybody remember "Amerika," the miniseries with Kris Kristofferson? America comes under Soviet rule, and splits into a bunch of separate countries at the end.

I do remember that, Snoofy. The political breakdown in the novel I mentioned earlier is much more reflective of current political reality (one of the regions is called Jesus Land--yes, an actual "country" called Jesus Land).

And Snoof, dontcha know that if we would just drill baby drill we wouldn't have to import any of them furriners' awl? (Which of course, misses the point--it's not our addiction to foreign oil that we need to rid ourselves of; it's our addiction to OIL).

Your shiny metal boxes phrase reminds me of a police song (Synchronicity I?). Deliberate?

Tea party folks are from all over, not just the South in case there are still dumb nuts that don't know any better, and likes to racially divide the South from the North, and fight the civil war all over again.

Cuba may be better for all than the deep South as well as the North, and all States in between before this administration is over DANNI, so you go on down and live with them I'm sure the deep South will never miss you in the least. I ain't telling no one where I'm going, because I don't want to find the place completely filled before I get there.

WOKE, give us a link that proves Joseph Farah has embraced Igor Panarin's theories that predicts the U.S. will break down into smaller countries at some point in 2010. I have searched on WND and haven't been able to locate any such language.

I'm not saying it isn't true, but I would like to see it for myself, he might have a revelation there, but I think it will take a little longer, than 2010.

Oh yea I would vote for Pat Buchanan any day if he would run on an independant ticket...

You know the only contempt I have for the Tea baggers is this. Most are Republican who claim they were fed up with Dubya's spending but waited until He was safely out of office to speak out. That is bullshit. If You have a problem with the current WH occupant You should say something then and there. Not wait until He is safely out of office before You open Your yaps. BULLSHIT.

Larry

Larry - you'd be surprised at how many are republicans - I've met MANY who are democrats - we're all fed up - there's no party line within the TPP movement. There are anarchists and green party people within. Some people DO think for themselves. Few they may be.

Some people DO think for themselves. Few they may be.

#34 | Posted by nanc

That's true, but you sure in the hell aren't one of them, you reactionary bible-thumping, bigoted little airhead.

How the Fuck does the Republican Party get anyone elected in this Country...Americans as a group must be the dumbest Bastard on this Earth.....An the World depends on us to lead, WHAT THE FUCK!!!!!!!!

Nanc why didn't Your party speak out when Dubya was trashing the economy and everything with it?? Hell I lambaste Obama all the time here and I fell in love with the dude so what is Your excuse for not speaking out against Dubya when He was in office???

Larry

Larry - You weren't listening. Glenn Beck, for one, was all over Bush for at least two years before he left office - he has a huge audience - were you listening? Apparently not. I was all over him and got nothing but, "PSHAWS!", from people on the right - treating me like I was carrying the plague. Your side DOES NOT listen. As you're not listening now.

Take numbers 35 and 36 - are they willing to give ANYBODY on the right a chance? NO, they are not. Why should we even try?

Your shiny metal boxes phrase reminds me of a police song (Synchronicity I?). Deliberate?

Nope, it just percolated up through the meme recycler intact I guess. I do remember the song though.

Trapped like lemmings inside shiny metal boxes / contestants in a suicidal race.

Who cares, my shiny metal box has leather seats and satellite radio, I'm in it to win it!

And Snoof, dontcha know that if we would just drill baby drill we wouldn't have to import any of them furriners' awl? (Which of course, misses the point--it's not our addiction to foreign oil that we need to rid ourselves of; it's our addiction to OIL).

The significant roadblock to energy independence is the amount of money American corporations stand to lose if our dependency ends. Unfortunately, so long as our dollar is the preferred currency for buying oil, we will always have a dog in this race.

We are addicted to oil, that's true. But an underlying problem it's that there's no way to achieve what in the utility industry is called "decoupling."

That's true, but you sure in the hell aren't one of them, you reactionary bible-thumping, bigoted little airhead.

#35 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-11-10 12:02 AM | Reply | Flag:Yawn

Did you ever hear the one about the worthless little Leftist puke who cried "Reactionary!", Billy?

Why do you call yourselves Tea Party? And why don't you dress up like Indians like the original Tea Party did? Then you might earn some respect from me.

Also engage in some actual civil disobedience. Roll over a cop car or something. Sit in the streets and block traffic. Prove to me you're serious and not just a kinder, gentler version of the Westboro Baptist Church.

#41 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao at 2009-11-10 12:12 AM | Reply | Flag: Trustfund rancher occupying stolen property, i.e., thief.

Keep in mind....All of the Nuclear Weapons in the arsenal of the United States of America are manufactured at the Pantex Plant in Amarillo Texas...That means that Texas would be a Nuclear Power...

Word to Mexico...YOUR GRANDCHILDREN WILL SPEAK ENGLISH..

Word to the Northeast...You will SHUT THE HELL UP

Keep in mind....All of the Nuclear Weapons in the arsenal of the United States of America are manufactured at the Pantex Plant in Amarillo Texas...That means that Texas would be a Nuclear Power...

No, cable news will show a short clip of the FBI raid on some backwater fuck's militia compound. That will be the extent of Texas' great insurrection.

The "nuculer" ambitions are a nice touch, though a bit reminiscent of some cheesy spy movie. Go ahead, Chuck Norris, nuke us. You dumbasses get to enjoy the fallout.

Texas? Texas is a Joke...a Bad and Stupid Joke to be sure...but still just a Joke!!!

If the United States does collapse, Texans realize that we would be fighting a two front war...The remnants of the federal government on our northern border...And Mexico on our southern border...

Polls show that the 3rd greatest concern of Texans is the possible collapse of the United States of America.

Go ahead, make fun of us...we are used to it..

"Polls show that the 3rd greatest concern of Texans is the possible collapse of the United States of America."

Number 2: Their Congressman might not be corrupt enough.

Number 1: The 'Boys might not make the playoffs.

"The second version would be too good to be true. My wonderful Southland free at last. No more hateful yankee interference. We could soon free our land of the foreign and yankee invaders.

#11 | Posted by rebelnation"

You will also be free of the net tax subsidies from the "Yankees" that keep your redneck white trash ass from falling into the stone age.

Guess what--no region of America can be self-sufficient anymore.

Not exactly true. While some of the more modern, reliant-on-the-machine areas of the south and mid-west would have big problems after several days with no food or water, the rural areas would be fine for the most part.

How the Fuck does the Republican Party get anyone elected in this Country...Americans as a group must be the dumbest Bastard on this Earth.....An the World depends on us to lead, WHAT THE FUCK!!!!!!!!

self retorting retort.

You will also be free of the net tax subsidies from the "Yankees" that keep your redneck white trash ass from falling into the stone age.

Got any statistics on the black folks that receive those subsidies or does your calculator only work for crackers?

Tea Party activists and others on the right, including Pat Buchanan and WorldNetDaily (WND) publisher Joseph Farah, have embraced the theories of Igor Panarin, a former KGB operative who predicts that the U.S. will collapse into smaller countries at some point around 2010. In a survey of 3,000 WND readers, more than half agreed that "the US is on course to break up soon."

Posted by woke

...and you guys believe the Earth is die in the next few years if you don't raise taxes.....

Which is more likely?

"and you guys believe the Earth is die in the next few years"

Your bases is ours!

My wonderful Southland free at last. No more hateful yankee interference. We could soon free our land of the foreign and yankee invaders.

#11 | POSTED BY REBELNATION AT 2009-11-09 10:06 PM

Monday, September 27, 2004
The Tax Foundation has released a fascinating report showing which states benefit from federal tax and spending policies, and which states foot the bill.
The report shows that of the 32 states (and the District of Columbia) that are "winners" -- receiving more in federal spending than they pay in federal taxes -- 76% are Red States that voted for George Bush in 2000. Indeed, 17 of the 20 (85%) states receiving the most federal spending per dollar of federal taxes paid are Red States. Here are the Top 10 states that feed at the federal trough (with Red States highlighted in bold):

Got any statistics on the black folks that receive those subsidies or does your calculator only work for crackers?

#50 | POSTED BY AXIOM AT 2009-11-10 05:55 AM

Your racism is duly noted, bro, but does the fed govt decide who gets welfare to work based on race? Since when?

Remember, welfare and bankruptcy were REFORMED during Clinton's tenure (and the Contract ON American, repug congress) in the 90's.

On individual citizens that is.

Corporations, not at all.....they are free to receive as much welfare and discharge their debts and liabilities as they see fit.

"We could soon free our land of the foreign and yankee invaders"
~The Late Ashley Wilkes

"...and you guys believe the Earth is die in the next few years if you don't raise taxes....."

Translation into English???

yes, an actual "country" called Jesus Land

"...and you guys believe the Earth is die in the next few years if you don't raise taxes....."
Translation into English???
#56 | Posted by danni

The statement is more nuanced, albeit fully as idiotic, in the original Mandalorian.

I got a laugh at the first map. It shows Hawaii a part of China or Japan. Good luck wrestling the nuclear sub bases and missile defense shield from the US government.

At any rate, because of the DHS, which the tea party fuckups all supported from the start, there will be no insurgents breaking away from the union with out one hell of a civil war. If that happens, it would be a long drawn out war simply because it would have to fought with terrorist tactics and guerrilla warfare. I can just see all the hogs in the republican party crawling through the bushes with their non-auto assault weapons eating varmints and roots while they plot how they will kill all the libbies on welfare and burn Washington to the ground. How the hell are they going to pack their TV's and their hot tubs?

...just like puke Putin a KGB hack, these operatives have a grip on the fantasy-minded, perhaps well meaning gullible Americans. However, we can always learn from history, if desired to do so:

Roman Empire was devided up into two periods: the Principate, which lasted from the reign of Augustus, the first emperor, to the reign of Diocletian; and the Dominate, which lasted from the reign of iocletian until the fall of the Western Empire. Under the principate, the emperors were still considered merely the "first citizen" (which is at "princeps" means), and under the first two emperors, as I mentioned, their actual power was disguised to keep up the illusion of a republic. Diocletian, however, thoroughly overhauled the State when he came to power towards the end of the third century AD, confirming a number of long-term trends and enacting new laws and edicts to transform the emperor from the "first citizen" into a truly imperial monarch on the Persian model, surrounded with elaborate court ceremony, regal costumes, ornate uniforms, etc. He also debased the coinage, enacted wage and price controls, increased taxes enormously, and pushed the Empire much further along the road to becoming a state so oppressive that its citizens often found themselves better off living under the rule of the invading barbarians. Does anything sound familiar?

#4 | Posted by cookfish at 2009-11-09 10:16 AM | Reply | Flag: In the closet's closets' closet.

"Does anything sound familiar?"

Only to those who are morons.

Wage & Price controls....Richard Nixon

Increased taxes enormously.....Max. income tax rate was 90% under Eisenhoser

Debased the coinage.....Ronnie Raygun, Bush 1 & Bush 2 ran up the debt before Obama ever entered the office.

"and pushed the Empire much further along the road to becoming a state so oppressive that its citizens often found themselves better off living under the rule of the invading barbarians"

You talking about the Patriot Act or what???

...and you guys believe the Earth is die in the next few years if you don't raise taxes.....

#51 | Posted by STIRSUMUP at 2009-11-10 06:10 AM | Reply | Flag

Banana's eat more squid.

enacting new laws and edicts to transform the emperor from the "first citizen" into a truly imperial monarch on the Persian model, surrounded with elaborate court ceremony, regal costumes, ornate uniforms, etc.

Are you referring to Reagan's funeral, Reagan National Airport, and the movement to add Reagan's likeness to Mount Rushmore?

Banana's eat more squid.
#63 | Posted by 726

LOL. The Wittgensteinian region of my brain (small yet significant) just died a little.

Ouch.

Your racism is duly noted, bro, but does the fed govt decide who gets welfare to work based on race? Since when?

It's not racism. He claims that the money from the north saves our "White trash asses" here in the south. Since he seems to have done the research, I'd like him to fill me in on what percentage of "yankee tax subsidies" go to white folks versus black folks versus other minorities in the south.

That way, we'll know whether he's directing his rage at poor white people because he's tired of sending them money or if he just needs someone to direct his hate toward, but he's scared of being called a racist.

"The significant roadblock to energy independence is the amount of money American corporations stand to lose if our dependency ends. Unfortunately, so long as our dollar is the preferred currency for buying oil, we will always have a dog in this race."

And "the economy" is given as the reason not to change so many things. Like healthcare--if the insurance industry dies, so many people will be out of work. So then address that instead of using it as a fucking excuse. (That wasn't addressed to Snoof, clearly.)

+++++

"Not exactly true. While some of the more modern, reliant-on-the-machine areas of the south and mid-west would have big problems after several days with no food or water, the rural areas would be fine for the most part."

Okay, I made a sweeping comment. But really, we are all interconnected. Rural areas like in the Northeast? How would Vermont be self-sufficient? They might be, but not without serious (even more serious) poverty issues and serious adjustments in what is eaten, how they drive, etc. The world is not what it was even 50 years ago, regarding farming, say.

+++++

"Your bases is ours!"

Close. It's "All your base are belong to us." (Here endeth the Meme Nazi's moment in the sun.)

Why does the right hate reality and America so much?

#25 | Posted by northguy3

What in the world does this assertion being made have to do with hating America? These people hold a wild belief that America will split into smaller parts, but say nothing about hating the country. And just because they believe this may happen does not mean that they want it to. The Russians may want it to, but not the Americans who agree with them.

Finally, you ask that question a lot so let me answer it for you once and for all. The right does not hate America at all. The right loves America and always will. You can now stop asking the question.

These people hold a wild belief that America will split into smaller parts, but say nothing about hating the country. And just because they believe this may happen does not mean that they want it to. The Russians may want it to, but not the Americans who agree with them.
Finally, you ask that question a lot so let me answer it for you once and for all. The right does not hate America at all. The right loves America and always will. You can now stop asking the question.

#68 | POSTED BY EVERLONG AT 2009-11-10 10:10 AM

The right, which in the current case is comprised of many DIXIECRATS and red southern states have this delusion that somehow the CONFEDERATES won the civil war and secession is near.

They didn't and it isn't.

The confederates LOST.

Get over it.

Or listen to the KGB for you tea party talking points.....

Okay, I made a sweeping comment. But really, we are all interconnected. Rural areas like in the Northeast? How would Vermont be self-sufficient? They might be, but not without serious (even more serious) poverty issues and serious adjustments in what is eaten, how they drive, etc. The world is not what it was even 50 years ago, regarding farming, say.

There are homesteaders in Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine...all over the north.

A friend and his wife just moved to Montana to Homestead. It won't be easy. They'll have a shorter growing season, but there are methods to preparing the ground that can be used to extend growing seasons well into winter when the ground would be frozen.

Poverty is measured in terms of income, but I know plenty of people who live below the federal poverty line that never go hungry, who's children always have the proper clothing and are in outstanding physical and mental condition. They do without some things, they make some things on their own and they fix others until it can't be fixed anymore.

Some people would do fine. It would be like nothing had really changed that much. More people would likely die from exposure in the first few days than any subsequent starvation, pestilence or violence.

Yes, the Rebellion was put down, albeit at great cost. Personally I believe we would have been better off letting them go.

Personally I believe we would have been better off letting them go.

Not me.

I have great pride in being born and raised in the south. There's a great deal of heritage and tradition here for everyone, despite the roots in slavery.

But when it comes down to it, I'm also proud to have been born in the United States of America. Despite its flaws, people still want to come here. That's because of the idea that this country represents.

"The right loves America and always will."

I know they claim to love the country but their actions don't seem to support their claims. I think what they really love is a memory of a country that existed on Leave it to Beaver and Father Knows Best. Even in those days that country they remember didn't really even exist.

Saturday, September 6, 2008
1:36:00 PM EDT
Alaska: The Welfare State

Ahhhh, Alaska, the North to the Future state. Where many love to tell us how tough they are and how much disdain they have for the lower 48 and the federal government. That is until it comes to sucking money north to the future from the federal teat in the way of earmarks.
Alaska, which ranks 47th in population is number 1 in acquiring federal earmarks. In 2008, while the average state received approximately $50 per capita in federal earmarks, Alaska citizens received $506. This was thanks to indicted Alaska Senator Ted Stevens aptly named the earmarker in chief. It amounts to 10 times the national average. This makes Alaska the biggest welfare state in the nation.
This year Alaska has requested 31 earmarks worth $197.8 million for next years federal budget. In fiscal year 2008 Alaska received $379,669,715! That is nearly $100 million more than any other state received.
Many earmarks are viewed as positive for voters, but particularly in Alaska. They are important for some community functions and even some analysts agree that earmarks, in the long run, ending up saving taxpayers money. While there is truth in that one must look closely at what those earmarks really fund and whether is was really necessary at the time.
While Sarah Palin is hoodwinking the nation as a reformer and denier of earmarks - her claims of telling the federal government "thanks but no thanks..." on the money for the bridge to nowhere - the truth tells another story. She took the money earmarked for that bridge and Alaska is now using it to build access ramps to a bridge that doesn't exist and transportation access to Steven's hometown. During her tenure as mayor of small town Wasilla (pop. approximately 6700 during her time as mayor), She managed to secure over $27 million in federal earmarks from 2000 to 2003. That equates to nearly $6.7 million a year for a town that of only 6700 people. Below is an analysis from Taxpayers for Common Sense by Center for American Progress Action Fund Senior Fellow Scott Lilly.

Woke#74 Your link died OCT 30, 2008 You can't prove your story by that link.

I like the second version, I'd rather be part of Cuba than the Deep South.

#2 | Posted by danni at 2009-11-

well at least you admit it..good for you.

so surely there is a boat leaving soon? lol

ba dump dump!!!!

even though it IS the great state of TEXAS...maybe we should think about dividing up into those 5 states..
think of it...

FIVE REPUBLICAN senators to take back the country..

75

So, because the link is no longer, the facts contained in the article aren't true in your little mind?

No wonder.

The right wing revisionists love you, eh?

LMFAO

#77 | Posted by afkabl2

Sure, but California would then get 7.

And you would remain a loser.

Works for me.

even though it IS the great state of TEXAS...maybe we should think about dividing up into those 5 states..
think of it...

The Chinese flag-making industry also supports your idea.

I'm a wanted man in Texas, busted jail and I'm gone for good.
Sheriff couldn't catch me, but his little girl sure wish she would.
Weir/Barlow

And don't bother reporting back.

#5 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Who in the hell reports to you? Are you the new kink?

"There are homesteaders in Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine...all over the north. "

We're having two separate discussions, I think, Mr. Axiom. And that's okay. My comment was more about large areas, not about individuals.

But this is all the stuff of great fiction, so I really don't care. : )

+++++

"So, because the link is no longer, the facts contained in the article aren't true in your little mind?"

Woke, I'm not taking sides, but that's not what he said. If we can't read the article, we can't see the larger context of what you quoted (I missed your post, so I don't know that you quoted) or the information you're point us to. Certainly, if you make conclusions based on something, then point us to evidence but the evidence is lacking, how can we conclude whether to agree or disagree? (And this from a guy who generally agrees with your worldview.)

Prag.

I POSTED the article. You can read it here at 74.

What? YOu think I wrote it?

LOL

Thanks for the support anyhow....

Woke#74 Your link died OCT 30, 2008 You can't prove your story by that link.

Well that tears it. No linky no truthy.

I guess it's beyond feelygoody to research it on his own. Damn, he'd have to put down his drinky.

"What? YOu think I wrote it?"

No, silly. I was just looking at the text of your enemy's comment. I missed yours. I can only read so much. : )

There's too much survivalist nonsense on this one for me to handle. I wonder if we should start a novel-writing thread. One sentence at a time, but you can only look at the post just before yours... I'll start. "On November 10, 2009, a man in New England looked out his window and saw a squirrel, a black squirrel, staring down a Jack Russell Terrier on the sidewalk."

#85

LOL

#86

The squirrel said, "Hey Jack, where are my nuts?"

Sure, but California would then get 7.

And you would remain a loser.

Works for me.

#79 | Posted by Manypaths at

so california also has the right to divide>?
I didnt know that.

since that state now has ROBBED THE PEOPLE of ten per cent of thier income maybe they should think about it.

HIDE THE INTERNS

blowjob billy was in town in that closed door meeting..........(do dems have any other kind of meeting lately)
and he also used the pornagraphic reference to insult millions of american citizens.

well what do you expect from just another democrat lying piece of fuckin dogshit.

Afk, link? I don't even know what you mean.

you mean about clinton?

if so..
let me get it for you?

is this what you were referring to?

Thanks, Afk--of course, it was what _you_ were referring to, not what I was referring to. ; )

And your reference made it sound as if Clinton used the term "teabaggers"--he might have, but that's not clear in the article. In the quote, this Whitehouse guy (funny name) says it. So how do you know Clinton said it.

Besides, what was funny to me was that "teabaggers," when I first saw it some time last spring (I think), was used by some of those tea party folks to refer to themselves. Given the rightwing stance on homosexuality, gay marriage, etc., I found that marvelously entertaining. My guess is that once those folks realized what it went, they stopped using it.

Further, I'd like to see evidence (not from Fox News or Glenn Beck) that there are MILLIONS of tea partiers. So far, the clear evidence I've seen is tens of thousands--still noteworthy to me, but not millions.

And btw, I just thought of something: it's called the Fox NEWS Channel, right? So even if there's opinion on it, it's still calling itself a news organization, implying to a great many viewers that what they get there is news. See where I'm going? While the same is true of Cable News Network (CNN), ABC and NBC and CBS are simply "television networks." Dunno if it really means anything, but I thought I'd throw it out there. I don't really give a shit for my own news-gathering; I don't watch any of them.

Tea Partiers Believe KGB Doomsayer

Posted by woke

LOL!!!!

Who cares?

Woke, the Libs have so much to fix with themselves.

Pay attention to fixing yourself before you pick on Americans. OK?

Why is this loony?

It's a great idea!

Look what's happening at the Federal level. They can't get a badly needed Health Reform bill passed because you have half the country who wants Universal Health Care or Single Payer and the other half who wants to deregulate medicine completely.

It's very reasonable to regionalize this dilemma. Chop up the health responsibility into 5 or 6 regions where each makes policy on their own.

It's not working as the Constitution was set up to make States responsible for the health and wellbeing of its residents. It's perfectly spelled out in the Constitution, but it doesn't work. WHY???

I'll give you an idea:

Population of Canada: 33,212,696

Population of California: 36,756,666

Canada, because of its smaller population can provide health care nation wide. (And it still doesn't work)

Again, what is so loony about the idea?

"Pay attention to fixing yourself before you pick on Americans. OK?"

Eddie just proved his patriotism and sense of what America is again. LIberals aren't Americans? You ASS.

+++++

"(And it still doesn't work)"

How do you know? Do you live in Canada? Are you believing the canards about long lines for basic services? *sigh*

That said, I have little problem with the American empire dying. Well, except we do, in a fucked-up way, keep some semblance of peace in the world. (Whoops. There goes my liberal membership.) What would the world look like now if America ceased to be a (the?) military superpower?

What?

Nothing about how Kenny (half a million to elect bush) Lay and Enron screwed the people of California out of BILLIONS of dollars in energy speculation manipulation?

Or the STILL secret energy meetings held in 2001 by hallichainy with the energy ceos?

Oh, I forgot, in rw minds, it is still all bubba's fault.

Why doesn't that suprise me?

Eddie

FYI, we are all Americans.

Over half the population are dems, indys and/or never vote at all.

You belong to a tiny minority who championed a FAILED neocon govt that bankrupted the usa and embroiled us in two unnecessary invasions/occupations for the profit of a few, costing us our dear treasure of veterans, and billions a day.

On Veteran's Day, I say to you, "join up or stfu"

Or go back to listening to your KGB talking points

The pathetic, failed neocon supporters have been relegated to invoking the name of a potus who left office on Jan 20th, 2001, 8 1/2 years ago.

too fkn funny

Canada, because of its smaller population can provide health care nation wide. (And it still doesn't work)

Again, what is so loony about the idea?

The part in parentheses.

On Veteran's Day, I say to you, "join up or stfu"

Or go back to listening to your KGB talking points

#98 | Posted by woke

I'm too old to sign up (50), but my son is USMC in Reserve and will probably be active next Fall, waiting to find out what happens with his career.

You, however, can get back in, can't you?

BTW, you lean very heavily to the left and are very much the Socialist, so don't tell me about being American. You are un-American and don't know it! But, that's my opinion. If you want to completely change the meaning of original Constitution, then that's un-American.

HEY LIBS!!! Don't pretend that you understand the meaning of the Consitution. You don't! If you say that it endorced slavery or it says that it's illegal for women to vote or that it says that all men or not created equal, then try again...

I'm too old to sign up (50), but my son is USMC in Reserve and will probably...

#101 | Posted by Eddie at 2009-11-11 03:15 PM | Reply |

STFU you crusty old woman. Your son is probably that loser that hit the greek priest with a tire iron.

1. I'm too old to sign up (50), but my son is USMC in Reserve and will probably be active next Fall, waiting to find out what happens with his career.
You, however, can get back in, can't you?

2. BTW, you lean very heavily to the left and are very much the Socialist, so don't tell me about being American. You are un-American and don't know it! But, that's my opinion. If you want to completely change the meaning of original Constitution, then that's un-American.

3. HEY LIBS!!! Don't pretend that you understand the meaning of the Consitution. You don't! If you say that it endorced slavery or it says that it's illegal for women to vote or that it says that all men or not created equal, then try again...
#101 | POSTED BY EDDIE AT 2009-11-11 03:15 PM

1. I'm 60 and I already served, which is when I "woke" up in a jungle in 1969.

May God Bless and keep your son safe. Let me know if he returns to tell you their are "LIBS" in the military.

2. What do these words mean to you?

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

To me, forming a more perfect union to establish justice, insure domestic tranquillity, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty, means to come together stronger than separately to achieve whatever the citizens decide we need.

If YOU want to claim that is SOCIALIST, then enjoy your little partisan political bullshit. WTF do I care?

3. Hey, Eddie, stop pretending you know something "libs" indys and even those who don't vote=the rest of the country doesn't know, or that neocon repugs are the only patriotic Americans who can define our constitution, cause if you don't, you are just another crazyass partisan who puts party before country. And i do believe we have seen where that road leads over the last decade, eh?

"BTW, you lean very heavily to the left and are very much the Socialist, so don't tell me about being American."

Again, Eddie, you are proving your ASS status. You just said someone who believes in socialism is un-American. Uh, nowhere in the Constitution is capitalism enshrined.

"You are un-American and don't know it! But, that's my opinion. If you want to completely change the meaning of original Constitution, then that's un-American.
HEY LIBS!!! Don't pretend that you understand the meaning of the Consitution. You don't! If you say that it endorced slavery or it says that it's illegal for women to vote or that it says that all men or not created equal, then try again..."

It endorsed slavery by not getting rid of it.

It effectively made it illegal for women to vote by not counting them as voters.

It shows that the framers did not in fact believe that all men are created equal simply by virtue of fractionalizing slaves.

So how are those things not true, Eddie.

I'm a liberal. I have no interest in changing the meaning of the Constitution. I have an ongoing interest in looking at it carefully and in having justices on the SCOTUS who are not ideologues. In our system, citizens don't get to decide or change the meaning of the Constitution. The SCOTUS exists to interpret that document. Are you a Supreme Court justice, Eddie? Are you a constitutional scholar? What makes you better qualified to interpret this founding document than any other person, liberal or otherwise?

Nothing. That's right. You're just an ass who likes to tell other people they're wrong.

But then, Chair put it much more succinctly.

It's another Beautiful day in Texas, pass me another cup of tea boys and girls...

The posted article is nearly a complete farce. By misquotes and innuendo, somehow a case is made that Panarin is a tea party hero?

First as stated in this story, WND's Joseph Farah, the founder of website WorldNetDaily, wrote in December that he wasn't "buying into Panarin's entire prediction" but that "there's something to it". More than half of the nearly 3,000 WND readers responded to a poll agree that "the US is on course to break up soon, another 18% said they thought the US wouldn't break up, but would 'continue to lose sovereignty to the UN and other global entities.'

Hardly equates to "hero worship".
As for Chuck Baldwin, the story quotes:

Since the Drudge Report first highlighted his theories last November, several conservative websites and blogs have featured him. In September, Chuck Baldwin, a perennial far-right presidential candidate on the Constitution Party ticket, observed that Panarin's predictions of "some sort of break up of the United States in the near future" was a "very realistic probability."

Following the link, there is no such quote!

Researching on my own, a proper quote of Baldwin in context shows he did NOT think Pandarin's prediction of a breakup in 2010 to be likely.

Will the Russian analyst's prophecies come true in 2010? Probably not. Does that mean that America is impervious to some sort of national demise? Not at all. Is America already in serious trouble? You bet. Could there be some sort of break-up within the United States in the near future? In my opinion, that is a very realistic probability. If this happens, will freedom suffer? Almost certainly. Will those with tyrannical tendencies use the opportunity of any national disaster to try and enslave us? They already do. I personally do not believe that there is any "If" to the question. The only questions are, "When?" and "To what degree?" And, of course, there is another question: "When the break-up comes, how many Americans understand the principles of liberty enough, and are personally prepared enough, and are willing enough to resist whatever power it may be that seeks to place us under the thumb of oppression and fight for the same protections and vanguards of liberty that first established this land?" Obviously, the answer to that question is yet to be determined.

Next there is the Tea Party event: Panarin's hosts, according to a flier promoting the event, want to "make sure" Panarin's scenario "never happens." In a blog post promoting the event, these tea party activists noted that Panarin's prediction has been dismissed as a "radical impossibility. But is it?"

The event was "to make sure it never happens". Hmm, sounds like cult worship to me!

Then, the story moves to speaking engagements in DC. The story quotes: One of them, Bob Hoy, a tea party organizer from Northern Virginia, echoed Panarin's prediction of racial strife, but differed with the Russian on the timeline for America's impending disintegration. He thought it would be a matter of decades, not months. Hoy said that by 2065, "100 years after Ted Kennedy changed the immigration laws,"

More obvious cult worship!

Lastly, he puts the crowd on the spot. Point blank do you believe in my theory? 10 out of 50 raised their hand.

Devil worshipers!

So after an obvious attempt to smear, the point falls flat. The majority does not believe in Pandarin's break-up into six parts theory. Speaking of a potential breakup in general, under whatever circumstances economic or social is a possibility irrespective of some six-way split theory and short time frame. So the headline is completely bogus. There is no hero worship going on. The Mother Hubbard cult worship can continue, but in doing so, you're only deluding yourselves.

Interesting how you misstate what the article says, then debunk your own misstatements, and provide on links or proof of your own "research".

Seems to me your hyperbole, misinformation, and sarcasm are not facts, but diversions from the basic premise that this former kgb agent has the same take on secession for the usa that many tea partiers do.

#107 woke
Hello? Bozo? Asleep-Not-Woke? Anyone home?

I was forced to find the source of a misquote that was claimed that wasn't there.

The effort made corrected the ridiculous headline the article was purporting.

Obviously you didn't catch the mistake as you took your leftist assumption that it all must be true.
As shown by the effort made, there was no evidence of the article's claims. How does your little 'two-line diss', substantiated by nothing, discount anything?

Obviously, you didn't post a link to your "research', and as i said, misstating what the article says, then debunking your misstatement has nothing to do with the fact that both this kgb dude AND many teabaggers think secession from the USA is a great idea.

The civil war is over no matter how hard you good ol boys want to fight it again. Ya lost. Get over it. We got a black potus. Get over it.
We pay taxes and our govt provides needs, get over it.

L,

You claim Chuck Baldwin didn't say: ""some sort of break up of the United States in the near future" was a "very realistic probability."

Yet, here it is from Baldwin's article:

So, will the United States break up in 2010? Or 2011? Or 2012? Or anytime in the near future, for that matter?

"If history is any teacher, the chances would seem good that Panarin's predictions may be closer to reality than anyone would like to admit."

"Could there be some sort of break-up within the United States in the near future? In my opinion, that is a very realistic probability"

Next, you try to debunk the article's contention about Bob Hoy's comments, yet he is quoted:

One of them, Bob Hoy, a tea party organizer from Northern Virginia, echoed Panarin's prediction of racial strife, but differed with the Russian on the timeline for America's impending disintegration. He thought it would be a matter of decades, not months.

Hoy said that by 2065, "100 years after Ted Kennedy changed the immigration laws," America would be no more, due to an invasion of immigrants.

Hoy warned that America, "founded by Europeans," was under siege. "No one wants to live in an integrated neighborhood," he added, arguing that white people flee "black" areas as soon as they can.

Obviously, Mr. Hoy has some RACIST issues, eh?

As for only 10 of the 50 teapartiers raising their hands, agreeing that a break up of the usa is imminent, that seems to me to follow the 20% theory that the remaining neocon repug supporters are about 20% and the rest of the teapartiers are just dupes, along for the ride because they don't like having a black potus, or don't like having a dem potus, or thought it was a party.

Still, it shows the depth of anti-Americanism/anti-US Constitution in that movement imo.

woke,
Why did you lie about being personal friends with people you've never met?

Why haven't you gotten your chow-line PTSD taken care of?

L,

What say you?

Here's part of your so called "debunk"

>>As for Chuck Baldwin, the story quotes:

In September, Chuck Baldwin, a perennial far-right presidential candidate on the Constitution Party ticket, observed that Panarin's predictions of "some sort of break up of the United States in the near future" was a "very realistic probability."

and you say:
Following the link, there is no such quote!
#106 | POSTED BY L_RCONTRARIAN AT 2009-11-11 10:32 PM

Yet, he said EXACTLY that and more along the same line.

>>
"Could there be some sort of break-up within the United States in the near future? In my opinion, that is a very realistic probability.

If this happens, will freedom suffer? Almost certainly. Will those with tyrannical tendencies use the opportunity of any national disaster to try and enslave us? They already do. I personally do not believe that there is any "If" to the question. The only questions are, "When?" and "To what degree?"

L?

What say you?

Hello? Bozo? Asleep-Not-Woke? Anyone home?

As shown by the effort made, there was no evidence of the article's claims. How does your little 'two-line diss', substantiated by nothing, discount anything?

#108 | POSTED BY L_RCONTRARIAN AT 2009-11-11 11:18 PM

What? You don't want to correct the record as to YOUR lack of credibility on this issue/article?