This is what I like to ask fundies who think that "trying it" or marrying someone of the opposite sex will "straighten someone out":

Do you want your son or daughter used for experimentation by a person who is really interested in the sex opposite to that of your child? Do you want them trapped in a marriage with someone who is not interested in them sexually?

Or would you prefer that they meet someone capable of loving them completely?

The light bulb goes on seldom and grudgingly, but sometimes it does go on.

When does yours come on? Apparently not often.

"fundies"? LOL How often has that been parroted by every trickling-in-their-trousers 'progressive' on this blog? Get a new one from Mother Jones or whatever whinesite you visit. Or, God forbid, think of one yourself.

Give scientists another five years of gene splicing and dicing, and there will be a prenatal test for the gay gene.

Cookie:

Has anyone ever told you that you're as obnoxious as Chairbound and not half so bright?

If not, let me be the first.

This is what I like to ask fundies who think that "trying it" or marrying someone of the opposite sex will "straighten someone out":

ROTFLMAO....

Why did you start eating ice cream? When I stopped eating cake so I wouldn't get fat. Bawahahahaha!

I don't know why you're blowing your stack over "fundies," Cookfish. There are so many worse things that social conservatives could be called. Fundies is practically affectionate.

I could care less what you call anyone. I've been called everything at one time or another. I've been here since 2006, and have seeen this word repeated so often it's nauseating. You'd think the progressives could employ a little more originality, as evidenced by the losers that continue to use it. It's like the word 'racist'. After it's been used enough, it doesn't register the effect that was intended anymore, and casts doubts about the users brainpower. "Teabaggers' is another one that's heading for the trashbin as well. It's only funny just so many times, then you end up sounding like Doc Sarvis on one of his bad mornings, which is most.

cookfish are you so upset because you are involved in one of the marriages? why else would you blow your lid about this?

"Give scientists another five years of gene splicing and dicing, and there will be a prenatal test for the gay gene."

Possibly true, and then those same folks will be rethinking their position on abortion. Suddenly, it will be the right thing to do.

You'd think the progressives could employ a little more originality

You go first. Oh yeah... forgot that you are about the most un-original poster here.

God bless your little heart.

cookfish are you so upset because you are involved in one of the marriages?

He is so far in the closet, his closet has a closet.

I wonder if most gay people if given the choice to be gay or straight would choose to remain gay? I have never asked that. I have met some people who say they are happily gay.

#13 | Posted by 726 at 2009-11-09 08:04 AM | Reply | Flag (X)Still has mental boo boos from last time I smacked him around

Jackass, 726 said that he prefers members of gay dojos. Surely you two can reach around and come to an understanding.

Surely you two can reach around and come to an understanding.
#16 | Posted by cookfish

PS: Like I did.
~Crocky

#15 | Posted by cookfish at 2009-11-09 08:23 AM | Reply | Flag

Looks like I hit a little too close to the closet.

Good show.

This is what I like to ask fundies who think that "trying it" or marrying someone of the opposite sex will "straighten someone out"

How often do you come across people who think this?

"How often do you come across people who think this?"

In Georgia, all the time. Now that I've escaped to a blue state, not so much.

How often do you come across people who think this?

From the article:
"Webb, (gay male) who views his 23-year union with his partner (gay male) as a marriage even if it's not recognized in Florida, said that even if same-sex marriage had been legal at the time, he still would have married Brooks. "I didn't want to be gay," he said. He estimates that he lost two-thirds of his friends when he came out, including one who sent him a Bible."

This undercuts the entire thesis of the article; EVEN IF GAY MARRIAGE WAS LEGAL, these scorned women would still exist as long as the gay men they marry continue in their sexual confusion and dishonesty.

Not that I'm not sympathetic, but this is an important part of the discussion.

This is what I like to ask fundies who think that "trying it" or marrying someone of the opposite sex will "straighten someone out":Do you want your son or daughter used for experimentation by a person who is really interested in the sex opposite to that of your child? Do you want them trapped in a marriage with someone who is not interested in them sexually?

Or would you prefer that they meet someone capable of loving them completely?The light bulb goes on seldom and grudgingly, but sometimes it does go on.#1 | Posted by MaryTylerWhore at 2009-11-08 07:05 PM | Reply

MTWhore,
There's 2 parts to that.

1st, great point. EVERY gay guy I know has "tried" it with women. It is ineffective and doesn't work that way, but apparently it's very common.

Guys who are gay or who are confused about it have NO BUSINESS marrying women; they should count the cost and wait if they are unsure.

LOTS of people, hetero and homo, get married because of SOCIAL PRESSURE which is a flat-out wrong reason and leads to all kinds of hurt and societal devestation.
Btw, I know many "breeders" with marriages of convenience and it's disgusting, wrong and disgusting. I spend WAAAY more time combating this than gay marriage--like 95% to 5%.

My gay friend and I were discussing around my dinner table last night how society has some horrible double standards re: gay vs straight behavior, including many (but not ALL!) Christians; hetero sensuality and sin gets a free pass, but the least bit of gay behavior or even thought is shunned like the plague. Hypocrisy is disgusting.

Second,
The numerous gay males I know don't find fulfillment in their gay relationships; even our close family friend with a decades long partner didn't have that.

And that's why so many of them eventually go to Jesus, because they are left empty and He's the only one who can truly change them.

I wonder if most gay people if given the choice to be gay or straight would choose to remain gay? I have never asked that. I have met some people who say they are happily gay.#14 | Posted by jackass at 2009-11-09 08:06 AM | Reply

The philosophical presupposition in this--the gay behavior can be chosen or rejected--is the one thing "tolerant" gay people (and gay-friendly people) can't tolerate.

Choice leaves the possibility of responsibility, and that one can reject the wrong.

The most attacked people by the gay community? Those who USED TO BE gay.

The most attacked people by the gay community? Those who USED TO BE gay.

#24 | Posted by kirk

Hard to deny, but it is true. In the gay christian ministry I'm involved with, 'reparitive therapy' which is what involves coaching GLBT people to 'give up their sinful ways' is something we reject as its been found to be incredibly psychologically damaging.

But as far as if I had the choice to be straight? Some days I wish I could have been... but most days I know I wouldn't want to be. I like who I am. I'm comfortable in my own skin. And I feel that if I was exactly who I am now, and attracted to women, I wouldn't be. It's taken a lot of learning who I am to realize that I'm the product of a whole lot of stuff and that to change any of it would have left me completely different than who I am today.

So while I'd love to say if I ever could be straight? Yeah, easy. But would I if I had the choice now? I wouldn't change my life for the world, even with all this inequality. I love my friends, family, church, and God for making me the unique person I am and for all the ways he continually blesses me and sustains me in my life.

Hard to deny, but it is true. In the gay christian ministry I'm involved with, 'reparitive therapy' which is what involves coaching GLBT people to 'give up their sinful ways' is something we reject as its been found to be incredibly psychologically damaging.

#25 | Posted by greeneyedguy

But I will say that we do frown on promiscuous behavior, but the difference is the gay christian ministry doesn't believe 'being gay' is a sin, whereas many of those reparitive thearpies believe mere thoughts of attraction to the same-sex is something that needs to be destroyed.

Second,
The numerous gay males I know don't find fulfillment in their gay relationships; even our close family friend with a decades long partner didn't have that.
And that's why so many of them eventually go to Jesus, because they are left empty and He's the only one who can truly change them.

Doesn't sound like Jesus changed them, just offered them something they couldn't find elsewhere.

Interesting post Kirk. Reminds me of a divorcee I know who has turned to the church (well, the synagogue, but who's counting) to find what she thought she was looking for in her husbands.

"The numerous gay males I know don't find fulfillment in their gay relationships; even our close family friend with a decades long partner didn't have that."

All I can tell you, Kirk, is that your experience with your acquaintances doesn't square with mine.