I am not suprised. Liberals like Obama consider the fall of the Berlin Wall to be a defeat. I am sure they celebrate the day the wall was built.

He doesn't have time to celebrate the triunph of fredom over tyranny, yet he had time to go to Denmakr to plead for Chicago to get the Olympics.

Whatever Obama decided idiots like yourself will bitch about it. He needs to quit trying to do anything for your kind.

He needs to quit trying to do anything for your kind.

#2 | Posted by jackass

Thank God! I don't know if we can stand any more of his help.

I actually don't think this is a big deal, he's got bigger fish to fry.

I'd set up internment camps for the tea baggers If I were Obama.

And if he did you would criticize him taking time to go there.

It is the no win scenario.

If he went MEMBER would be whining:

"Obama wastes tax payer dollars on vacation to Berlin. Now he's trying to take credit for ending the Cold War."

the triunph of fredom over tyranny,

#1 | Posted by member2586

I am quite sure that's what the Treaty of Yalta was all about too.

If Obama had gone, I wouldn't have criticized him for having gone. But more than likely he would have said something stupid (dimishing Reagan's role) and then I would have criticized him, happy now?

I'd set up internment camps for the tea baggers If I were Obama.

#5 | Posted by jackass

This coming from the Liberal crowd that can't wait till Guantanamo is shut down. Laughable.

Why don't we send that one guy who was President, Oh what is his name? Shit my memory must be fading. He was kinda tall, and goofy and he was on TV a lot before he became President. Remember? When the wall got torn down. Shit, what's his name again.

Oh that's right. He's dead.

#11 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-11-06 02:05 PM | Reply | Flag: The 60's were not good to me.

60's? I wish. Would have loved to have seen Hendrix.

"Would have loved to have seen Hendrix."

Eat your heart out.

Working on his golf swing.

He have Leno lined up?

I'd rather he worked on his golf game every day to keep him out of mischief that way there'll be less damage for his successor to repair in 2013

I don't understand why everyone is whining about Obama not attending the ceremony. Hell, we would all be better off if he didn't show up for work either.

But he can however jet over to plead the Olympics case.

Nice one.

Apples and oranges.

Nice try.

will he go honduras for the swearing in of Zelaya when he is restored to power ?

Still seems similar to me - tell me why you think it is so different?

"This coming from the Liberal crowd that can't wait till Guantanamo is shut down. Laughable."

Yes we know! Spending billions of tax dollars to house 120 people is Fiscaly a wise thing to do!

Still seems similar to me - tell me why you think it is so different?

#22 | Posted by badjuju at 2009-11-06 06:47 PM |

Because you can't explain "idiot" to an idiot.

Barry and his radical buddies were sad when the Berlin Wall fell.

Because you can't explain "idiot" to an idiot.

#24 | Posted by jerrytarkanian at 2009-11-06 07:09 PM | Flag: Says the one guy who really ought to know

"Because you can't explain "idiot" to an idiot."

So I ask you to explain so that perhaps I can understand why I may be wrong - and you decide to be a dick.

Good way to get your point across.

Have a good weekend.

#4---He's got bigger fish to fry"---- I hear he has a basketball game that day and a fish fry afterwards on the front lawn.

"Ich bin ein Berliner" ("I am a Berliner") is a quotation from a June 26, 1963 speech by U.S. President John F. Kennedy in West Berlin. He was underlining the support of the United States for West Germany 22 months after the Soviet-supported Communist state of East Germany erected the Berlin Wall as a barrier to prevent movement between East and West.

The speech is considered one of Kennedy's best, and a notable moment of the Cold War. It was a great morale boost for West Berliners, who lived in an enclave deep inside East Germany and feared a possible East German occupation. 'All free men, wherever they may live, are citizens of Berlin, and, therefore, as a free man, I take pride in the words 'Ich bin ein Berliner!'

Kennedy came up with the phrase at the last moment, as well as the idea to say it in German.

This message of defiance was aimed as much at the Soviets as it was at Berliners, and was a clear statement of U.S. policy in the wake of the construction of the Berlin Wall. However, Kennedy was criticized for making a speech that acknowledged Berlin's status quo as reality.[citation needed] The official status of Berlin at the time was that it was under joint occupation by the four Allied powers, each with primary responsibility for a certain zone. Up to this point the U.S. had asserted that this was its status, even though the actual situation was far different. Kennedy's speech marked the first instance where the U.S. acknowledged that East Berlin was part of the Soviet bloc along with the rest of East Germany.

- Nice sense of history there big O.

Lefties celebrate the wall going up. Righties celebrate it coming down. I'm glad he's not going. The celebration should honor those instrumental in its demise.

"Lefties celebrate the wall going up."

Always good to start with The Big Lie.

Ronaldus Magnus Reagan's fault.

It was Ronald Reagan that brought that wall down, not gorbechov, and little boy obama would be a lot smaller under the huge shadow of a real leader, a real man, a real American president... Ronald Reagan.

Last time I checked it was Pope John paul the Second and Gorbe that brought down the wall NOT Ronald Reagan like You Righties just love to delusion Your mind over.

larry

Maybe Obama could just go masturbate a statue of ronald reagan. Would that satiate your appetite for idolization enough?

Reagan schmeagan.
Mr. Globalization.
Mr. Trickle down economics.
Mr. Military Industrial complex.

He went there because the wall was going to come down anyway and he wanted the photo op. He wanted to take credit for something that was already happening. Just like i could stand on the seashore at 530 am and say, "RISE MR. SUN! ERASE THIS NIGHT!"

Would all you reagan blowers think i caused the sun to rise?

The russians brought themselves down with military programs they couldnt afford and a war in afghanistan they should have stayed out of. SOUND FAMILIAR?

Just cause the russians fell first doesnt mean they lost. they just fell first. we're still in the military spending patterns that we established during the cold war and now we're falling just like they did. 1 cold war, 2 losers. both spent into self destruction without ever firing a shot. so who won? lockheed martin mostly...

The real question as far as I am concerned is if Scorpions are playing Wind of Change live. Because if they are then Obama is an idiot for not going.

I mean the Scorpions live in Berlin for the 20th anniversary of the fall of the wall, I mean that's a no brainer.

Oh I forgot the most important part...

"I mean the Scorpions live in Berlin for the 20th anniversary of the fall of the wall, I mean that's a no brainer."

Good point. Especially since he could probably score some decent seats...

Decent seats, shit he could be on stage dressed as Patton if he wanted to...

The fall of the B Wall was an enormous defeat for Obama and the rest of the world's Socialists. Why the hell would celebrate that?

He'll probably give a couple shout-outs to the gang over there though.

JM

"The fall of the B Wall was an enormous defeat for Obama and the rest of the world's Socialists. "

Indicates: 'Never been to Germany'

Obama was attending Harvard Law School (and President of the Harvard Law Review) when the wall fell.... Bush was drunk in Texas. What's your point?

I wish B.O.'d go over there. I was in that country when the wall fell. Lots of energy and happiness from the people, and fireworks! Everywhere, all night; too bad I was way too young to enjoy the other fruits the land had to offer, but fireworks were way cooler as a 7y.o., anyway. My brothers and I spent the next day gathering hundreds of used bottle rockets.

Timex,

OK - Bush fits into this topic, how?

My post was succinct and to the point. But I'll elaborate...

Obama is demonstrably a Socialist. Essentially all of his friends and associates are Socialists.

There once was a big concrete wall, guarded by mean men with guns in high towers. It separated East from West Berlin (Hence the name - The Berlin Wall).

The men with guns were ordered to shoot folks attempting to make their way from East (which was under control of the Russians at the time) to West. (People from the West had no interest in traveling to the Socialist/Communist controlled East.)

The "fall" of this big wall, and the resulting opening-up of passage between E and W was a defeat (partial at any rate) of Socialism.

This kind of thing is very upsetting to folks, like our (present) president for instance, who are sympathetic to the Socialist philosophy.

JM

"Obama is demonstrably a Socialist...."

Oh, is that a fact? I call it 'your opinion'.

Germans are very happy with their 'socialist' system. They'll tell you that to your face if you ever go there.

Of course obama wouldn't want any part of a freedom celibration, what self respecting neo-communist would?

Of course obama wouldn't want any part of a freedom celibration, what self respecting neo-communist would?

#44 | Posted by Constuct

Another giant intellect from the right.

"People from the West had no interest in traveling to the Socialist/Communist controlled East"

That's absolutely untrue. West Germans could freely travel to East Germany through Checkpoint Charlie. It was fear of the Stasi arresting them and/or not letting them leave to come back that nixed most of that travel West to East. The Wall was built to keep East Berliners IN, not West Berliners OUT.

Making some ludicrous comparison of East Germany to Obama doesn't serve whatever your agenda is.

Scorpions. Fuck I would like to see UFO. Does anybody remember Lights Out? Too Hot to Handle???

But it does righteously piss me off that big O is not going. Reagan fulfilled Kennedy's dream.

But it starts with Kennedy.

And quite frankly, this is an important American legacy.

Dayummmmmmm poor Obama damned if He does and Damned if He doesn't. People bitched about His Olympic Copenhagen trip now they are bitching because He isn't going to Berlin. Amazing.

Larry

Lying.

Marxist.

Usurper.

#33 | Posted by LarryMohr

Ronald Reagan may not have brought the Wall down all by himself, he obviously had help, but to suggest he had not part in and that he deserves 0 credit is just a bit of history revisionism. And let's not forget about the Great Iron Lady Margaret Thatcher.

People bitched about His Olympic Copenhagen trip now they are bitching because He isn't going to Berlin.

And if they were comparable endeavors, you might have a point.

The guy is a piece of shit, Larry.

There's no getting around it.

We've never had such a blatantly un-American "president" in our history.

He's the inevitable consequence of a society and culture that has reached a particular stage of rot.

It's really quite sad.

"Scorpions. Fuck I would like to see UFO. Does anybody remember Lights Out? Too Hot to Handle???"

Gonna do a song called Rock Bottom...
Seventeen and natures queen,you all know what I mean Twenty-one a lone one, you can see the number's run Now you look so peaceful ...

"People bitched about His Olympic Copenhagen trip now they are bitching because He isn't going to Berlin."

Yet they praised him for his apologetic campaign speech last summer when he couldn't be bothered to vist the military hospital. Go figure. Of course he accepted all that European campaign dollars though.

Jak You never liked Obama to start with and You never will. Your opinion on Him is predictable.

Larry

Lying.

Marxist.

Usurper.

#50 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao

Deep.

"We've never had such a blatantly un-American "president" in our history."

A half black son born during segregation who graduated Magna Cum Laude from an Ivy League school, became the first minority president of the Harvard Law Review, a Senator, and now President of the United States.

He'd have no reason to think this is a great country (snark).

"He's the inevitable consequence of a society and culture that has reached a particular stage of rot."

A stage of rot where an inept idiot like George W Bush is elected for a 2nd term by voters with the holes of Swiss Cheese for brains.

A" half black son born during segregation who graduated Magna Cum Laude from an Ivy League school, became the first minority president of the Harvard Law Review, a Senator, and now President of the United States..."

I would say the fact Thurgood Marshall being appointed and confirmed to the USSC during the racially divided 60's was equal to Obama being elected POTUS. But then again I am white and a token racist.

He'd have no reason to think this is a great country (snark).

Which is all the more reason to marvel at the intellectual bankruptcy of this demonstrably un-American little fucking punk. (snark)

A stage of rot where an inept idiot like George W Bush is elected for a 2nd term

I'll take 20 years of George W. Bush's leadership over one year of Chocolate Carter's.

This piece of shit is doing profound damage to the country.

"demonstrably un-American "

"Demonstrably" must be the word of the day. This is the second time today I've heard a rightwing dipshit use it to describe an assertion that isn't "demonstrable" at all.

"Demonstrably" must be the word of the day...

How about proven, obvious, apparent, evident... Feel better?

That's funny because this is about the 70th time this month some trolling little wanna-be leftwing puke shoots his mouth off with something irrelevant because he doesn't have the balls to say anything.

Kind of a pattern with you.

Maybe Goatman will be back soon to stick a tit in your mouth.

"I'll take 20 years of George W. Bush's leadership over one year of Chocolate Carter's."

20 years of George W Bush's 'leadership' and we'd all have been speaking Chinese and wearing Mao jackets. As it is he piled on enough debt for the Chinese to be very happy with his decidership. Bin Laden is a happy man because of W too. W did exactly what Bin Laden wanted him to.

"This piece of shit is doing profound damage to the country." - Jak

Specifically what?

#63 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao

This must be the 150th time this month this drunken shitstain from Texas says something stupid like Obama is "un-American".

Get some new materiel, Hegel. lol

This is entertaining.

Take a look.

Get some new materiel, Hegel. lol

Like what? Pot maybe? LOL

Physician, heal thyself.

He already made his campaign stop in Berlin.

"The walls between old allies on either side of the Atlantic cannot stand."

"The walls between the countries with the most and those with the least cannot stand. The walls between races and tribes, natives and immigrants, Christian and Muslim and Jew cannot stand."

Now that he's president, he cannot recognize Germany as a country.

He must address Europe as a whole and not indulge petty nationalistic ideas like the suppression of communism.

Then again, it is just a 20 year anniversary.

As it is he piled on enough debt

Your trite talking point regarding debt is charming to behold.

Specifically what?

By destroying the economy with historic levels of debt while simultaneously cutting the throat of the entities who produce wealth.

I don't know what kind of stupid-shit, public sector cocoon you live in, but business in this country is in a holding pattern.

Nobody's moving capital until this economically illiterate fucking child is:

a.) removed from office; or

b.) put in check by adults.

The government cannot spend its way out of a bad economy. It doesn't have a "magic box" of money stashed away somewhere that it can "inject" into the economy.

Every dollar of "public money" has to be taxed or borrowed from some other segment of the economy.

Jak

Here's your beloved President, George W Bush going ahead with a photo op with 1st graders after knowing the first plane hit on 9/11, then sitting silently for what seems like forever while knowing without a doubt America was under attack:

Pot maybe?

Hell yeah!

Smoking pot makes everybody interesting, and every thought profound.

So much so, that I can be a washed-up geriatric motherfucker with absolutely nothing to show for my life----but I can blog about my knowledge of the pot culture like some giggling, adolescent Jim Breuer fan that thinks he's being a subversive and edgy guy.

No surprise here. Why should he celebrate something that appears to be so appetizing to him and his cronies?

The fishing is really good tonight. lol

"By destroying the economy with historic levels of debt" - Jak

Facts are Clinton added only %500 Billion to the national debt. The other $12 Billion is Reagan (3 Trillion), Bush 41 (1 Trillion), and George W Bush (7 Trillion). Disappointing to hear, I know.

Here's your beloved President, George W Bush

Its amazing how people like yourself take it upon yourself to defend this ridiculous excuse for a president, but can't seem to last a minute or two without defaulting to something you think Bush did at some point.

The point of contention is the lying, Marxist usurper that woke up one day in the White House and currently gets to play "president".

He runs the show.

Either defend what he does, like the comical little sycophant you are, or shut the fuck up.

Quit deflecting to a guy who hasn't held the office for over a year.

"...but business in this country is in a holding pattern." - Jak

Duh. That's what happens when we're in a deep recession like George W Bush and the GOP created for us. It took W 2 years to even admit we were in a recession. Maybe Dick "Ronald Reagan proved deficits don't matter" Cheney wouldn't let him.

Facts are

Those aren't "facts", dumbass.

They're unsubstantiated, custom-adjusted numbers you're producing in hopes that no one calls you on your bullshit.

Quit fooling yourself, asshole.

Take a look at what your current government is doing to you and your economy.

"Its amazing how people like yourself take it upon yourself to defend this ridiculous excuse for a president, but can't seem to last a minute or two without defaulting to something you think Bush did at some point." - Jak

Well, someone here said they disdained "Chocolate Carter" because of massive debt.

Excuse me for pointing out THAT massive debt was the creation of Republican presidents, mostly George W Bush - even when it could have been paid off THIS year. Republicans couldn't wait to spend surpluses and then borrow us into the 23rd Century to boot.

By the way, it's $260 Billion last year just to pay the interest on the national debt. Nice going George W Bush and Dick "Ronald Reagan proved deficits don't matter" Cheney.

That's what happens when we're in a deep recession like George W Bush and the GOP created for us.

No.

That's what happens when you have a little know-nothing Marxist asshole in the Executive office playing "dolls" with economic, monetary, and regulatory policy.

Trust me, nobody's gonna do a goddamn thing until this child is checked.

And it sucks, too, because it doesn't have to be this way.

In the mean time, the people who make this country work are hunkered down.

And I'll blame Bush until that debt is paid off, which could have happened by THIS year if Bush hadn't been so reckless and spent us into the next century.

Your boy royally f'd up. I know it's hopeless trying to get you to recognize reality, Jak.

And I'll blame Bush until that debt is paid off,

Of course you will. We all know Bush is still there pullling he strings. He makes Obama wear a Tshirt tha says, "Beat me, fuck me, make me write bad checks".

LOL

Excuse me for pointing out THAT massive debt was the creation of Republican presidents

Debt's not a problem when you're generating capital.

When you're setting the agenda as a little unaccomplished punk with all the macro-economic acumen of a 22 year old youth hostel resident in Prague, all that goes away.

And I'll blame Bush until that debt is paid off

No.

You'll blame Bush because you're too much of a fucking sycophant to be objective about what an absurd sack of shit Obama is.

I really need to do a better job of containing my disdain for this guy.

"I know it's hopeless trying to get you to recognize reality, Jak."

It'll get worse as the night goes on as Jacque's bottle gets drained.

Jak,

Business don't spend when we're in a recession, people don't spend. That's the way it works.

By the way, GDP was up 3.5% last (3rd) quarter, The U.S. Labor Department says new claims for unemployment benefits fell to the lowest level in 10 months, housing sales are ticking back up. Hopefully we've seen the worst of this one. Worst one in my lifetime, and I've lived through a few as a working adult.

I know it's hopeless trying to get you to recognize reality

Although you're not smart enough to understand why, I can assure you that's the most ironic thing written on this website today.

Congratulations.

No.

You'll blame Bush because you're too much of a fucking sycophant to be objective about what an absurd sack of shit Obama is.

#83 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao

No, I let the chips fall where they are supposed to.

Facts are we needn't have been in this mess. Thanks to George W Bush and Dick "Deficits Don't Matter" Cheney we are. What part of 'the debt could have been paid off THIS year' was hard to understand? What part of '$260 Billion in interest payments last year on the debt' (which was double what it was when W took office by then) was hard to understand?

Rising GDP, falling unemployment claims, rising home sales are the start of a recovery from a recession. Most people would be glad to see a turnaround beginning. Most people wouldn't be railing on a President who didn't put us in the mess we're in.

Business don't spend when we're in a recession

No, goofball.

Businesses don't spend when they feel there's no reason to do so. Its got nothing to do with some abstract state of "recession".

When you have a child-like administration promulgating child-like regulations and espousing a child-like understanding of wealth and capital, spending money like a child and taxing like a child---you don't spend.

That's the way it works.

Whatever you say, Jak. You're entirely free to make up your own facts that have no bearing on reality if it makes you feel better. It's a free country. Later.

"When you're setting the agenda as a little unaccomplished punk with all the macro-economic acumen of a 22 year old youth hostel resident in Prague, all that goes away." - Jak

Jak, I'll to respond to that one.

Bush, business failure extraordinaire. 1000% batting average at failure That probably explains how he managed to fuck up an entire country. Now, if Bush went anywhere in Europe by 22 you might have a point, but he didn't.

#88, 86, 80, 76, 74, 70...

Last at 12:53 first at 12:17. Six posts in 36 minutes. That would be an average of six minutes without being able to stop yourself from invoking Bush. Not every two minutes as was suggested. So hey you got that going for you.

Maybe it is time to pull out the race card Timex.

Facts are we needn't have been in this mess Thanks to George W Bush and Dick Cheney we are.

Except those aren't the "facts" at all.

That's a talking point narrative spoon-fed to dumbasses like yourself for political purposes.

Just as a quick example of the inherent absurdity of your position, look at your attempted pejorative:

Dick "Deficits Don't Matter" Cheney

Now, if deficit spending is a prerequisite to economic disaster, as you appear to assert, on what grounds are you defending Chocolate Carter?

You need to resolve your paradox before you're taken seriously.

Now, if Bush went anywhere in Europe by 22 you might have a point, but he didn't.

I believe he was finishing up his stint at Harvard and training flying century-series fighter jets for the Air Force.

At the risk of repeating myslef, its amazing how people like yourself take it upon yourself to defend this ridiculous excuse for a president, but can't seem to last a minute or two without defaulting to something you think Bush did at some point.

The point of contention is the lying, Marxist usurper that woke up one day in the White House and currently gets to play "president".

He runs the show.

Either defend what he does, like the comical little sycophant you are, or shut the fuck up.

Quit deflecting to a guy who hasn't held the office for over a year.

I rest my case.

09/30/2009 12,867,512,445,982.43 (Bush 43's last)
09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49
09/30/2007 9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 5,807,463,412,200.06 (Clinton's last)
09/30/1992 4,064,620,655,521.66 (Bush 41's last)
09/30/1981 * 997,855,000,000.00 (Carter's last)

#95...

So how do those numbers have one iota to do with Obama? How do they help your argument?

" lying, Marxist usurper"

Which one fits the lunatic John Birch Society member profile better: Pinochet Mao or Ray?

I think it's a toss-up, my self. Discuss.

"At the risk of repeating myslef, its amazing how people like yourself take it upon yourself to defend this ridiculous excuse for a president, but can't seem to last a minute or two without defaulting to something you think Bush did at some point." - Jak

Jak, when you're railing against debt accumulation as though Obama's responsible for it it's not a deflection to examine the facts as they exist and set the record straight.

This recession and the financial meltdown did not happen on Obama's watch. His actions, however, are starting to show positive results, such as an annual growth in real GDP since he took office of 3.5%. That's considered pretty good. Things are starting to turn around.

The chart I posted in #95 is accurate to the penny. Bush added $7 Trillion to the national debt when it could have been paid off THIS year and SS shored up. Hardly a deflection when you tried to blame Obama for our debt. That's what happens in a mature 'debate'. You make a claim and I refute it with facts, which I did. To the penny.

Crispee

It came up during when I asked Jak how Obama is 'destroying this country':

Specifically what? - Timex

By destroying the economy with historic levels of debt while simultaneously cutting the throat of the entities who produce wealth.

#69 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao

By the way, added to a recession is the financial meltdown that has eliminated avenues of credit businesses have historically relied on to survive during a recession, and build with during good times. That's a double whammy.

"...while simultaneously cutting the throat of the entities who produce wealth."

#69 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao

Taxes haven't gone up. In fact, tax credits have been passed in recent weeks to help businesses. So, I don't know what Jak's talking about when he says "cutting the throat of the entities who produce wealth'.

Credit is dry. We're in a recession. Hurts everyone - businesses and individuals alike.

Health care reform will SAVE businesses money by keeping costs down. Since it currently stands at an average cost of $12,000 per year per employee, I'd think Jak would be happy to see competition in insurance that helps businesses keep costs down.

Hard to figure out where Jak's coming from in light of the facts except that he just hates Obama's guts for some reason only Jak knows.

It's funny watching repubs and dems argue about debt. Bush and Obama (so far) both fail in this area.

Jak, when you're railing against debt accumulation as though Obama's responsible for it it's not a deflection

But when you're defending an unprecedented accumulation of debt by simply referring to other instances of the same behavior, you're being a dumbass.

That's what happens in a mature 'debate'. You have a "point of contention".

You don't post unsourced numbers that reinforce the premises of your opponent.

By the way, added to a recession is the financial meltdown that has eliminated avenues of credit businesses

But that's not "added" to the recession. That's part of it.

95% of the righties on this site should be wearing straight jackets.

woooo hoooo

hahah

Taxes haven't gone up.

That's because we're only 12 months into this travesty, dumbass.

Anybody can pass bankrupting legislation.

At some point, you have to pay for it.

And everybody knows it---specifically, the people who generate revenue for the public sector (i.e. businesses).

Health care reform will SAVE businesses money by keeping costs down.

LOL.

No it won't.

The costs stay the same.

The burden of paying for them simply gets shifted to the people whose capital generation we were depending upon to get us out of the recession.

I'd think Jak would be happy to see competition in insurance

Jesus.

You're not in "competition" with an entity that doesn't have to operate for a profit.

It's so unbelievably sad to have this conversation with an adult American.

Jak, when you're railing against debt accumulation as though Obama's responsible for it it's not a deflection - Timex

But when you're defending an unprecedented accumulation of debt by simply referring to other instances of the same behavior, you're being a dumbass.

#102 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao

I never defended debt. I showed you who accumulated it ... to the penny. You refuse to acknowledge it and continue to blame Obama for it as though he created our debt - like blaming the paramedics instead of the drunk drive who caused the wreck.

Can you not comprehend my point that we wouldn't have ANY debt if Bush hadn't blown the pooch and paid it off instead? Obama's first budget didn't begin until 38 days ago.

You and other right wingers want to conveniently forget what and whom got us into this mess to begin with.

95% of the righties on this site should be wearing straight jackets.

95% of the muslims on this site should be having water poured on their faces until they think they're about to drown.

Fucking Haji.

I think attending the 20th anniversary of the destruction of the Berlin wall is more important than a whirlwind tour of Asia.

"That's because we're only 12 months into this travesty, dumbass." - Jak

Speculation and hyperbole is so easy even a 4 year old can do it. There's some wacko group right this minute in their backwoods fortified compound doing just what you're engaging in. Most of them have the IQ of an armadillo and follow cagey schmucks who sound a lot like you do on a nightly basis, ranting and raving and sounding half out of your mind. lol

I predict you'll still have your fingers in his ears in 12 months going "LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA OBAMA'S DESTROYING US!!!!" even when the economy is much more improved than it's starting to be now compared to a year ago. You can take that to the bank. It's a home run prediction. Take it to the bank.

FTFY

jak se loony

hahaha

fucking douchewaffle.

hey haji isn't an insult... nice try though.

maybe if you weren't such an ignorant loser you would have already known that. hahahah

UPL8

That was really neat to watch live on TV, wasn't it?

"I think attending the 20th anniversary of the destruction of the Berlin wall is more important than a whirlwind tour of Asia."

you were told not to think... bad things happen when you think

You refuse to acknowledge it and continue to blame Obama for it as though he created our debt

No.

You can accumulate debt so long as you generate the capital to pay it off.

You cannot accumulate debt while simultaneously strangling the productive (private) sector of an economy.

This ridiculous little sack of shit you call your "president" is playing "dolls" and expanding the scope and expense of government at an unprecedented level.

At the same time, he's pursuing un-American policies of ideological/regulatory masterbation that are causing the kinds of Americans who hire people, expand their businesses, and generate wealth to hold off on doing anything.

You can't do both at the same time.

I never defended debt.

Of course you did. You've spent hours of your life on this thread defending your "president" by defaulting to poorly contextualized examples of the same behavior he's accused of.

I showed you who accumulated it ...

No you didn't.

You posted unsourced numbers in some weak-ass attempt of equivalence regarding debt accumulation by Chocolate Carter while at the same time managing to squeeze in a plug for his nationalization of 20% of our economy.

You can accumulate debt so long as you generate the capital to pay it off. - Jak

Well, according to the Bush WH times were good. So, why didn't we pay off or pay down the debt?

"I showed you who accumulated it ..." - Timex

No you didn't. - Jak

Yes I did. Came from the Treasury Dept's own website. You're so intellectually incurious you've ever taken a good look at anything that might destroy your little paranoid fantasies.

You should start your own hate church, Jak. You have a real David Koresh touch. You and a few hundred dumbasses with the IQ's of rutabaga hanging on your every pronouncement, no matter how outlandish. All riled up against the "Chocolate Carter" because of dumbass reason X Y and Z. Slam dunk!

even when the economy is much more improved

The economy is going to improve eventually despite this silly little child in the White House, not because of anything he's done.

The one bright spot is that, because of his sheer economic illiteracy (jobs "created or saved") he's slowing the cycle down to a degree whereby he'll be unable to take any political credit for it.

Had he just shut the fuck up and let businesses and real Americans go about their dealings, he could have reaped the benefits of an inevitable uptick a cyclic economy.

Instead, he's a fucking Marxist who can't help himself. He's a teenager who suddenly figured out the parents are stuck in Cabo for a week and he's got the whole house to himself.

The damage he is doing to the American way of life is irreversable .

You're so intellectually incurious you've NEVER taken a good look at anything that might destroy your little paranoid fantasies (and alternate reality).

Came from the Treasury Dept's own website.

Feel free to produce the link.

You're so intellectually incurious

Except I'm not the guy defending economically crushing levels of debt by pointing to examples of non-economically crushing levels of debt.

Its important to me that you come to terms with the inherent asininity of your position.

Have you?

You don't even have to admit it here.

Just tell me you're not this stupid.

Dear Timex,

In post #95 you posted unsourced numbers supposedly related to the national debt levels.

You later claimed those numbers were accurate "to the penny", and came from the United States Treasury Department's website.

You were asked to provide an internet link to the information so that it may be evaluated in its full context.

As of this writing, you have failed to comply with my request.

Please reply to this correspondence immediately, or I will be forced to Google "photographs of icebergs on Lake Michigan taken by my friend", click on the most relevant website, and retrieve your numbers myself.

"The economy is going to improve eventually despite this silly little child in the White House, not because of anything he's done." - Jak

Oh, OK, Jak. I'd really consider going "Koresh" and starting your own hate church. You have the spiel down pat. Now all you need is a plot of land, a fortified compound, and 2-300 right wing idiots all too willing to believe what you say. Start recruiting at Teabagger's events. Ripe pickins for 'dumbasses'.

Here's a 10 minute video of your people, Jak. They are fightin' mad, although when questioned they admit they don't have a clue about the hyperbole they're babbling about. Especially check out the part about 'Czars' at about 6:30. THESE ARE YOUR PEOPLE, JAK!!

hey haji isn't an insult...

Actually it is.

I'm sure the word has a specific meaning to you. And I'm sure that in the context you understand and use it, there's nothing insulting whatsoever about it.

However.....

We have this thing called "Western Civilization" that has the ability to come up with little idiosyncracies in its languages that allow it to mock its cultural inferiors.

At some point while my civilization's armies were camped out on your civilization's soil---killing the more unruly elements of your population and generally imposing our will---our brave young soldiers came up with generic term to describe the barbarians whose life seems to be centered around randomly firing AK-47s into the sky, screaming "allah akhbar" for no apparent reason, sticking their filthy bums in the air 5 times a day, and blowing themselves up to kill "infidels".

They're just fucking "hajis"...

And when the dominant culture co-opts certain words from the people it subjugates, those words change in meaning over time.

So yes...

"Haji" is an insult---or more accurately, its simply a dehumanizing reference to any given member of a culture that cannot seem to evolve beyond the 6th century.

Hope that clears it up! :)

Jak

I don't sit here waiting for Jak's posts. You're a grown man with internet access. Find your own links. What icebergs have to do with debt is something that can only be known inside your David Koresh-ish head. Now, go forth and start your church. I've led you to your flock.

I don't sit here waiting for Jak's posts.

But apparently you do.

Oops.

#120 Posted by timex at...03:21 AM

#122 Posted by Timex at...03:30 AM

ok Jak. I don't want you to cry. Here's your link:

hey haji isn't an insult...

No, I don't sit here waiting for your posts, Jak. Your tune stays the same even when presented with hard facts. It's your right to live in a fantasy world of wild speculation and mine to live in the real world where facts matter.

Specifically what? (is Obama doing to 'destroy' this country) - Timex

(all Jak talks about):

Jak: "By destroying the economy with historic levels of debt..."

#69 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao at 2009-11-07 12:15 AM

Bush did it. Never forget! Obama's budget's 38 days old. You're a meshugener

09/30/2009 12,867,512,445,982.43 (Bush 43's last)
09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49
09/30/2007 9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 5,807,463,412,200.06 (Clinton's last)

"Ich bin ein Berliner" ("I am a Berliner")

Kennedy came up with the phrase at the last moment, as well as the idea to say it in German.

#29 | Posted by boojiboy at 2009-11-06 07:35 PM

And a little sidenote: Incorrect German. Should be "Ich bin Berliner".

Jak: "By destroying the economy with historic levels of debt..."

If you ignore 1943-1955 that is...

Yav

Jak should start his own hate cult/religion. He's perfect for the role of crazed leader. For members, Jak only need fish among these equally misguided and uninformed folks who expose themselves as dumbasses who thought they knew it all too. lol:

Well, that tearing down of the Berlin Wall was the fault of a republican predecessor.

Besides, he wouldn't want his base to see him commemorating the collapse of the USSR's communist umbrella over Eastern Europe.

#128 | POSTED BY GOTCHAMEDIA : Truth! They wrestled with that because it was completely ad hoc by JFK!

This just in.....

Mix up at Fox News, talking points criticizing Obama's plans to attend Berlin celebration of the falling of the Berlin wall released.....

Fox News spokeman said we are sorry that we released the wrong set of talking points and have, of course, now released the ones' criticiaing him for not attending the celebration.

I would like to have seen him there--to get all this bad press off of him for being uncaring about his country.

Merkel personally invited him when she was here a week ago --he said his schedule was too busy.

I mean he can go to Copenhagen for 4 hours and turn around--why not Germany?

But let's see if he goes go to Mecca for the hajj.

What a fuckin disgrace. He had NO PROBLEM going to Germany last year when it was all about him.

Oh btw danni you were completely wrong about the S+P. You posted a chart of the dow, not the s+p. But what did I expect from someone like you?

Of course he won't go. He's spent the past year basing the US and all sins of the past...without defining any of them. He won't even vote present on this one.

back then he was studying under a socialist professor, going to a radical church, hating all things American. He hasn't changed a bit

" Undermine our allies. Embolden our enemies. Diminish our country."

"I would like to have seen him there--to get all this bad press off of him for being uncaring about his country."

Psssst. The Berlin Wall was in Germany. Germany is not "his country".

Of course Obama won't attend something commemorating the fall of communism's oppressive grip on the people by going to the Berlin celebration of freedom.

He will, however, take time to sit down with any tyrant and uphold the rights of dictators over the calls for freedom by their people, as in Iran and Honduras. No, Obama can't leave now: he needs to continue his efforts at shoving his fascist, socialist agenda down our throats. He has no time for anything that celebrates freedom's triumph over the hell inflicted by tyranical elitists like the commies in Russia, who lived very well in their dachas, with their separate health care and doctors, their separate shopping outlets and their Mediterranean vacations while the masses stood for hours in in the snow in breadlines, often leaving empty handed.

The Dems and Obama with his many Czars are the same elitist ilk who, like every control freak tyrant or government loving statist, think they know whats best for all of us. They just want to be certain they are at the top, over all of us with all the perks and exemptions from the rules the unwashed masses they oversee have to live by. For instance, while we wait for the H1N1 vaccine, Obamas buddies at Goldman Sachs and Citigroup had the vaccine sent OVER TO THEM!!!!!

With this gang, we have no Constitutional protections because they will do anything they damned well please.

No, Obama isn't going to stop his destructive course of action against our economy to celebrate freedom's triumph, even though it was largely by the expenditure of our blood and nations treasure that led to the tumbling of the Berlin Wall. No, indeed, Obama has much to much too much damage to do to this country to consider the benefits we have delivered to a finally truly free people in Germany.