They're taken from civilized life into a world where life is dehumanized and trained to kill. Sometimes they go berserk. When they return to civilian life, some of them can't readjust.

About twenty years or so, a postal worker on occasion would go on a rampage like this. The term "going postal" found its way into our lexicon. I had a friend who worked in the post office at that time. He told me that it had to do with the fact that the Post Office had to give first priority to hiring vets.

You go, girl! Nice work.

The shooter was a Muslim terrorist, but Obama will deal with it by apologizing for America and bowing to the Saudi King.

They're taken from civilized life into a world where life is dehumanized and trained to kill.

#1 | Posted by Ray at 2009-11-06 09:14 AM | Reply

This guy was a psychiatrist.

The reason people would go "postal" is because of the monotony of the job. Tons of other professions give preference to hiring vets, yet we've never heard "going fireman", going "cop", going "park ranger", etc

Poetic justice when you consider what a misogynisttic religion Islam is. In your face asshole!

fwthom, according to media reports, his cousing claims he had suffered racial epithets. Don't you know it's the white man's fault? He was just defending himself against the evil and racist white man.

Islam is NOT a race. Let's clear that up RIGHT now!

They're taken from civilized life into a world where life is dehumanized and trained to kill. Sometimes they go berserk. When they return to civilian life, some of them can't readjust.

About twenty years or so, a postal worker on occasion would go on a rampage like this. The term "going postal" found its way into our lexicon. I had a friend who worked in the post office at that time. He told me that it had to do with the fact that the Post Office had to give first priority to hiring vets.

#1 | Posted by Ray at 2009-11-06 09:14 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Just when I think the stupidest statement on earth has already been uttered...

out comes this little gem.

Nice job, Mary. Way to broad brush every vet as being a potential mass murderer.

In general former soldiers and sailors are the best thing for a work place. They respond to tasking well, in general do their job, and understand their place in the overall corporate culture better.

In general.

Oh and good on this police officer that happens to be female. Close the distance and engage. Force his attention away from other victims by making him pay attention to you, so he has to concnetrate on someone that CAN shoot back.

women ruin EVERYTHING...

it's a joke

Just like the owl with brain damage from flying into a window.

whoooom

Too bad she couldn't have put a fifth round between his eyes.

-The shooter was a Muslim terrorist

Frequently Witless Thom

This is the best part of a bad story, a real heroine doing her duty in the face of blazing gunfire, when the worst that usually happened on a bad day was prolly a traffic stop.

Congrats to Officer Kimberly Munley, who from her pic, looks much like a lot of the Texas home girls down that way.

The shooter was a Muslim terrorist, but Obama will deal with it by apologizing for America and bowing to the Saudi King.

#3 | Posted by fwthom

yeah he should just make out with him instead.

instead of sending your prayers and condolences to the people killed and injured, the biggotry comes out...

this guy killed cause he cracked.

there are 47 other muslim american soldiers at Fort Hood.

but fine... everytime a christian kills, i'm going to blame all 1 billion of you.

oh shit 15000 murders a year in the usa? must mean that christians are the biggest murderers in the world.

She is kinda hot!

Is that wrong?

That should piss off the damn terrorists even more.

The Jyhadi morons HATE getting beat by women, which makes this especially sweet.

Kliff loves to excuse Muslim behavior as much as Barry loves to kiss Muslim ass.

instead of sending your prayers and condolences to the people killed and injured, the biggotry comes out...

this guy killed cause he cracked.

there are 47 other muslim american soldiers at Fort Hood.

but fine... everytime a christian kills, i'm going to blame all 1 billion of you.

oh shit 15000 murders a year in the usa? must mean that christians are the biggest murderers in the world.

#13 | Posted by klifferd at 2009-11-06 09:49 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Hey you make a valid point Klifferd. But shouting Allahu Akbar while shooting, is pretty much indicative of shooting in the name of Religion is it not?

To make the comparison truly pertinent the Christian murderer in Question would have to be yelling "In Jesus's name I shoot you." Or somethign similar.

If he had kept his trap shut, I would be more inclined to believe this was just total mental imbalance and not associated with his religious views.

"but fine... everytime a christian kills, i'm going to blame all 1 billion of you."

I sure as hell won't stop you, the Christian Bible is full of evil and many people who claim to defend life kill for it.

Thank god I'm an atheist.

"Don't condemn a whole race of people for the actions of a few"

Archie Bunker

"The Jyhadi morons HATE getting beat by women,"

cept this guy wasn't a jihadi... he was a guy who cracked and happened to be muslim.

but spin it like you will.. its amazing the biggest biggots on the dr cry the most when you diss christianity but do exactly what they cry about to other religions..

the hypocracy runs deep with all christians i guess.

just using your own logic.

Too bad she couldn't have put a fifth round between his eyes.

#10 | Posted by fwthom

I was think the same.

#15 | POSTED BY USAF242

HAHA. To bad she couldn't shoe him in the face after he was disarmed.

"But shouting Allahu Akbar while shooting, is pretty much indicative of shooting in the name of Religion is it not?"

no its indicative of a douche bag..

and i'm glad he got shot cause he's a fuck face to all us muslims who follow the DON'T MURDER RULE.

and fwthom... doesn't it suck that you are a member of the biggest murdering religion in the world.. christianity. 15000 murders a year.. .make your excuse

Where DO you get your stats, Klifferd? Is that 15,000 Christians KILLED a year for their beliefs? Pony up!

are you going to condemn all muslims because of some douches

let me remind you that hitler killed in the name of God.

even if the christian leaders of the world condemned him, he still used the cross as his symbol.

in the name of religion... i guess by fwthom's logic, all christians are genocidal maniacs

this guy wasn't a jihadi... he was a guy who cracked and happened to be muslim.

but spin it like you will.. its amazing the biggest biggots on the dr cry the most when you diss christianity but do exactly what they cry about to other religions..

the hypocracy runs deep with all christians i guess.

just using your own logic.

#20 | Posted by klifferd at 2009-11-06 09:55 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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I am going to wait for more information on his background and family before I make concrete statements about whether he is a jihadist or not.

The majority of Muslim Chaplans in the U.S. Army are Wahabists, a very militant form of Islam, so who knows?

If he isn't? then great. If he is? Then I hope they tack on hate crime to his charges.

#20 | Posted by klifferd at 2009-11-06 09:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

Allahu Akbar

Kinda shoots holes in your argument kliff. I agree he was a nut job - by uttering the preferred phrase of muslim terrorists everywhere he displays his true motivation. To say this tradgedy had nothing to do with the man's religion is obtuse and above your intelligence.

All muslims are not evil. All muslim terrorists are. Christianity had growing pains, Judaisim had growning pains - you guys just haven't out grown yours yet.

nanc it doesn't matter

lets do straight percentages

75% of the country is christian if not more

make it easy for you.

75% of the killers are probably christian.

thus making all christians murderes..

the most heavily murderous people in world actually.

i'm just using your idiotic logic.

i still believe in crazy.

Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98

On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161

It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. - 8:67

#25 | Posted by klifferd - step into the present.

no its indicative of a douche bag..

and i'm glad he got shot cause he's a fuck face to all us muslims who follow the DON'T MURDER RULE.

#23 | Posted by klifferd at 2009-11-06 09:57 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Agreed.

Like I have said, I wait for the day that Islam progresses to the same point Catholicism has: Putting outward violence behind them, and instead relying on guilt, shame, and official condemnation.

let me remind you that hitler killed in the name of God. - KLIFFERD

Early on, Hitler expressed his opinion about God and religion as follows, "We do not want any other god than Germany itself. It is essential to have fanatical faith and hope and love in and for Germany.

According to Albert Speer, Hitler remained a formal member of the Catholic Church until his death (unlike other leading Nazis who had formally, publicly and with agitation left the Church), although Speer also notes that Hitler "had no real attachment to it."

If you really are trying to compare Hitler's false claims and motivations in WWII to the muslim sucide bombers and terrorist you're way off base. Hitler used it as a tool to insite the German people - not for dogmatic reasons. He was not screaming Christ is Great everytime he had Jews killed.

i still believe in crazy.

#28 | Posted by klifferd at 2009-11-06 10:03 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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You really can't ignore him yelling "God is great" while conducting his murders....

You may not believe religion has anything to do with the killings, but for the moment and until proven otherwise I am going to believe this mass murderer did.

klifferd's argument is pretty stupid. I'm not even religious.

Those homies in south side L.A. who love to kill each other, real God fearing people. And the fine youth of Chicago who love to kill each other, in church every Sunday.

They will send her to range training after this...

Thank You Sgt Kimberly Munley.

You are a credit to your profession.

Re Major Hasan. The man lost control.

Whether it was fear or religious conviction we will never know. The legal system, the press, and special interests on all sides will insure that.

He was voluntarily a member of the Army. If circumstances changed in a way that he had not anticipated that is just too damned bad. He must be tried and if convicted, prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation:
Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers....

Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to enrage the unbelievers. - 48:29

Of course, if you quoted the OT to nanc, she'd say it was of no effect...... much like these quotes from the Quran are not taken literally by the vast majority of peaceful, God worshiping Muslims.

AGAIN:

That should piss off the damn terrorists even more.

The Jyhadi morons HATE getting beat by women, which makes this especially sweet.

As the Jyhadi supporting MORON BIGOTS posting here, let me know when you find a killer shouting praise to Jesus while he is shooting people.

You damn "he was not a Jyhadi" Morons make me think of some of things I've read that were written by southern white racists in the early/mid 1900s condemning lynchings. (a LOT of hardcore racists seriously, and no joke, condemned the hell out of the lynchings, and they MEANT IT. Just like many of you do.)

Islam has a serious and ugly INFECTION that is NOT currently common to other religions (but has been in the past). DEAL WITH IT. ROOT IT OUT, or it will destroy your religion. Whining and finger pointing won't help.

If only those mean libruuls would allow guns on base ------ there wouldnt have been so many killed!

Sincerely

The NRA Water Carriers

Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to enrage the unbelievers. - 48:29

Are you enraged, Nanc?

Don't worry, it's a rhetorical question.

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Like I have said, I wait for the day that Islam progresses to the same point Catholicism has: Putting outward violence behind them, and instead relying on guilt, shame, and official condemnation.

Islam (like Judaism) does not endorse a hierarchical power base as found in Catholicism, so there is no one "Islam." Just as there is no one "Baptist," you've got everything from snake-handlers to Jimmy Carter and Nanc somewhere in between. Good luck with that.

It was just a few centuries ago that Catholics engaged in genocide that put the Jihadists of today to shame.

Let's not forget the "Prisoner of the Vatican," imprisoned by democratic Italy and freed by Mussolini.

Why did the muzzie quit shooting? Oh, that's right, somebody with a gun shot him 4 times.

Why didn't somebody shoot him sooner I wonder...Oh, they weren't armed.

Nevermind.

DEAL WITH IT. ROOT IT OUT, or it will destroy your religion. Whining and finger pointing won't help.

Islam is the #1 religion in the world.

Who's whining, exactly?

Why didn't somebody shoot him sooner I wonder

He was wearing a hug-proof vest?

It was just a few centuries ago that Catholics engaged in genocide that put the Jihadists of today to shame.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2009-11-06 10:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

a few centuries? That's eons to you and me kids - Clark Griswold.

Maybe we should still hate the Italians for their persecution of Christians then? The Egyptians for their acts against the Jews.

You're a tool.

We're number 1. We're number 1. - SNOOPY

Islam is the #1 religion in the world.

What the fuck is that supposed to mean, dumbass?

You mean its the religion with the most adherents?

Well of course it is.

Third-world barbarians have lots of kids because life is nasty, brutish, and short in the parts of the world where Islam thrives.

If your wife only manages to spit out two little Achmeds and one of them gets kicked in the head by a camel, who's gonna help you out in the date grove?

"This guy was a psychiatrist. "

They're trained to kill.

No, I'm not enraged - more like reveling in the left's hypocrisy.

oh shit 15000 murders a year in the usa? must mean that christians are the biggest murderers in the world.

#13 | Posted by klifferd

I guess you think they were all done by good christians.

Homicide by Race - White - Black
drug related ------33.9%---65.0%
Gang related-------54.9%---41.2%
Weapon gun---------41.9%---56.4%
Weapon arson-------55.7%---42.0%

Does that look like it has anything to do with religous beliefs?

I find it sort of sad when an event like this elicits the knee-jerkery of so many allegedly intelligent people. As this story unfolds, I think it's going to be clear that Walter Reed missed a disturbed individual that should have been watched very closely. This guy spent his whole life in the Army, that's where he got his medical training. I'm sad for the victims and their families. Instead of bashing each other over the head with our own unique gored oxes, we should be working together to identify people like this and make sure it doesn't happen again. The "going postal" analogy was interesting - apparently they've been able to identify and deal with those folks, since it has been awhile since we've had that kind of incident (correct me if I'm wrong). After Columbine, things have happened to prevent those kinds of incidents (Virginia Tech being an example of someone who could have been identified and watched). This is not an event to reduce to name-calling and simplistic "solutions" (ie "kill 'em all"). This calls for thoughtful, reasoned responses.

Go ahead and dump it.

She is kinda hot!

Is that wrong?

I'm sure she would help you squeeze off a few rounds...

You know, in 1995 a Christian fundie killed 168 people including six children. Did you all attack an entire religion then? Did you wish to punish all Christians for this act of barbarism?

No you didn't.

What some of you people are trying to do with this tragedy is truly disgusting. And don't think it isn't transparent to all but those already as sick as you!

Who's whining, exactly?

Islam is the #1 religion in the world.
What the fuck is that supposed to mean, dumbass?
You mean its the religion with the most adherents?
Well of course it is.
Third-world barbarians have lots of kids because life is nasty, brutish, and short in the parts of the world where Islam thrives.
If your wife only manages to spit out two little Achmeds and one of them gets kicked in the head by a camel, who's gonna help you out in the date grove?

Well, that answers that question.

Where Pinche fails economics is a Muslim man can have more than one wife.

They're cheaper than camels and twice as reliable!

As this story unfolds, I think it's going to be clear that Walter Reed missed a disturbed individual that should have been watched very closely. This guy spent his whole life in the Army, that's where he got his medical training.

Well said.

I would expect there were plenty of red flags along the way. But they were overlooked because he was a good soldier and a career boy too.

Happens all the time in law enforcement "band of brothers" scenarios.

Hey let me give a shout out to the President's handling of this horror. Well done sir, well done.

Apparently this member of the religion of peace had written on his computer that a suicide bomber is really no different than a soldier who leaps onto a grenade to protect his fellow soldiers.

They have video of him yesterday morning in full moslem regalia (little cap, white robe) talking to the clerk prior to going to the base.

But no, this wasn't an act of terrorism.

Just some poor overworked military psychiatrist who just SNAPPED!

Army: Fort Hood suspect shouted religious slogan before firing

But this had nothing to do with Islam. Yeah and pigs have nothing to do with ham.

sorry following your stupid logic

christians love to murder

of course my logic is stupid... cause its YOUR guys logic

Apparently this member of the religion of peace had written on his computer that a suicide bomber is really no different than a soldier who leaps onto a grenade to protect his fellow soldiers.

"Let's Roll!"

But this had nothing to do with Islam.
-The Chapel

No, it doesn't. By your logic, Christianity should be blamed for all of the collective brutality of Christians. Whenever someone does that, sanctimonious fundie pieces of shit like you prefer to bitch incessantly and wallow in your own hypocrisy.

People interpret the meaning of religions all over the world. People commit crimes all over the world, sometimes in the name of an interpretation of religion. The Chapel is a self-righteous prick not because of his religion, but because of his actions. He may be inspired by some other self-righteous prick's interpretation of the bible, but in the end each individual is responsible for his or her own actions.

In the end, people, not their storybooks, are to blame.

Another student of the peaceful religion.

Wheather we like it or not - we are at war with a religious belief that is focused on "killing the infidel"

We can do all the disclaimers we want and all the moral equalivency...but the fact is that we do not have christians around the world killing people - but we do have muslim doing it.

And it does not matter the country that they are in...or how they were trained...in the end if an imam tells a muslim they will go to heaven if they kill someone they will.

The key issue is that believe that the first part of the koran does not have dominance over the 2nd half when Muhhamad had been corrupted.

Until the Muslim world come to grip with that ...and until we shake off our blind faith that everyone believes in the basic right of people to live....we will be forced to deal with it.

Jefferson had to in his time "the shores of Trippoli" - as have the west down through the century's ....we either now take the stand that our way of life is worth protecting or we negotiate ourselves into non-exsistence

"After alleged shooter Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan opened fire on a crowd of young soldiers at Fort Hood Thursday, killing 13 and wounding 30, the rampage was ended by Sgt. Kimberly Munley, who exchanged gunfire with Hasan and managed to shoot him four times despite being shot herself. "She was quite effective, one of our most impressive young policemen," said Lt. Gen. Robert W. Cone, the base commander. "She walked up and basically engaged him. I think, certainly, this could've been far worse.""

---wtf does that have to do with anything? this was all active duty on a military installation and you try to use the post office to demonize the military? if anything you have dehumanized soldiers in your own eyes.

How about a little Islamic justice for Hasan. Behead him then crucify him!

oops, copied the wrong thing. meant to copy and paste this section.....

"They're taken from civilized life into a world where life is dehumanized and trained to kill. Sometimes they go berserk. When they return to civilian life, some of them can't readjust.

About twenty years or so, a postal worker on occasion would go on a rampage like this. The term "going postal" found its way into our lexicon. I had a friend who worked in the post office at that time. He told me that it had to do with the fact that the Post Office had to give first priority to hiring vets."

No, it doesn't.
#62 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2009-11-06 11:44 AM | Re

So, when an abortion doctor is shot, you defend Christians, right?

So, when an abortion doctor is shot, you defend Christians, right?

I have defended the ones that do not celebrate the murder. The individuals who do are every bit as disgusting as an Imam supporting these murders in front of everyone who comes to pray this evening.

we are at war with a religious belief that is focused on "killing the infidel"

It is foolish to speak in such generalities, but fools are in no short supply on the DR. We have chosen, quite stupidly, to portray a conflict against a single armed organization that has repeatedly attacked Americans as an epic clash of good vs. evil and the West vs. Islam.

Today, we are at war with a few loosely-knit organizations, but the portrayal of this war has allowed those terrorist organizations and their sympathizers to galvanize their followers. This line of thinking has also drawn us into quagmires in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"we do not have christians around the world killing people"

POSTED BY FOSHAFFER

What a stupid statement. Christians kill people all the time.

If you really are trying to compare Hitler's false claims and motivations in WWII to the muslim sucide bombers and terrorist you're way off base. Hitler used it as a tool to insite the German people - not for dogmatic reasons. #32 | Posted by ELCIDCE90 at 2009-11-06 10:08 AM | Reply

Not that I am generally in the business of defending Islam here on the DR, but don't you think you could apply that same statement to Arafat, Bin Laden, Ahmadinejad, all the crazy imams, etc? Most of the leaders that use Islam as a tool of terrorism do it for control reasons, not for dogmatic reasons.

On topic, many prayers to the families that lost loved ones at Fort Hood. Bravo to Sgt. Munley. When I first heard of the shooting, I wondered why the cops didn't resond more quickly, but it looks like they were there in 3 minutes. That ain't a bad response time. Again, three cheers for Sgt. Munley.

Really Ass? - Post me a link

So the guy is on radical websites, making radical posts, alledgedly yells Allah Akbar, was being watched by the FBI for 6 months, yet it has nothing to do with Islam?

Does anyone else find that strange?

What about the guy who killed Dr. Tiller? Eric Rudolph?? Lots of people of the Christian faith kill people. Most of the murders in America are by Christians.

from above...

The shooter was a Muslim terrorist, but Obama will deal with it by apologizing for America and bowing to the Saudi King.

#3 | Posted by fwthom at 2009-11-06 09:26 AM

You people are really sick you know. No I mean it.
Get psychiatric help Now...

to say you are twistedly obsessed and extremely OFF BASE is an understatement...

didn't you see how apalled Obama was? Do you think this helps his Administration? If anyone is cheering, it's Dick Cheney....another Sicko...

Except for the Anti-abortionist who look at it like saving lives by taking the guys life who is killing them - there is no christian group around the world saying "kill the muslims" or Kill a muslim and you will go to heaven - is there?

If christians kill christians...it is due to interpersonal factors...not religous.

Like I posted ...moral equalivency that does not exsit in reality. Notice you posted 1 person....do you really want me to flood this with all the Jihadist killing over the last several years?

didn't you see how apalled Obama was?

Did you?

But instead of a somber chief executive offering reassuring words and expressions of sympathy and compassion, viewers saw a wildly disconnected and inappropriately light president making introductory remarks. At the event, a Tribal Nations Conference hosted by the Department of Interior's Bureau of Indian affairs, the president thanked various staffers and offered a "shout-out" to "Dr. Joe Medicine Crow -- that Congressional Medal of Honor winner." Three minutes in, the president spoke about the shooting, in measured and appropriate terms. - Chicago Times

Lots of people of the Christian faith kill people. Most of the murders in America are by Christians.

#74 | Posted by jackass at 2009-11-06 12:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Living up to your name again I see.

"So, when an abortion doctor is shot, you defend Christians, right?"

fuck YEA i do.

i always defend the religion

i don't defend the morons that follow it stupidly

sorry following your stupid logic

christians love to murder

of course my logic is stupid... cause its YOUR guys logic

#60 | Posted by klifferd at 2009-11-06 11:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

Hey cliffy, read up on some of the history of your wonderful religion of peace!!!!

You guys are awesome Cliffy!! You and Tosser can be reaaaal proud!!!

Read on!!! The year is 1860:

The Christians were told by the Turkish governor to head to the the barracks with their valuables where they would be protected until order was restored. The booty the Christians had brought with them was divided amongst the Turks. Next a general slaughter started, whenever a Christian was seen he was cut down. On the morning of the 20th, the Druze headed by Ali Hamadi gathered infront of the Turkish barraks which by now contained over 1200 Christian men and their families. The Druze entered the grand court where the Christians had been rounded up and ordered the women to be seperated.

All the horrors of the previous butchery was now repeated again with swords, hatchets and axes being used to cut down the Christians. Col. Churchill states that 'for six long hours the infernal work went on. The blood at length rose above the ankles, flowed alon the gutters, gushed out of the water spouts, and gurgled throught the streets. Standing on their ghastly and mutilated pray, the Druze now turned to the women....The Turkish colonel all the while sat at the gate smoking his pipe, the bowl resting on a corpse.'

As the slaughter of Christians continued in the Shouf, the Christians of Beirut were being systematically disarmed by the Turkish police. Muslims, on the other hand being joined and encouraged by the Druze where allowed to carry their arms. On the 24th June a mob of 400 began shout that the time had come to murder the Christians. Fortunately a Turkish line-of-battle ship and six English, French, and Russian vessels of war gathered in the harbour. Their presence saved Beirut form the fate of Deir al Qamar. Whilest all eyes were on Beirut, the Christians of Baalbak were killed, their property pillaged, their houses and churhes burnt. By the end of June the Druze had destriyed 300 villages leaving 80,000 Christian refugees to depend on charity for their daily bread. From Lebanon, the spark flew towards Damascus leading to the deaths of thousands of Christians.

The core difference between your faith and Christianity is that despite the shit that Christians do, they cannot base it on what is written in the New Testament. It violates the word of Christ and you cannot find justification for any act of violence upon another human regardless of race, creed etc.

Moslems on the other hand, are directed by their book towards this kind of behavior. The Quran singles out Christians and Jews commanding you not to befriend.

You fuckers can argue about context and history all you want, it doesn't matter. IT IS WRITTEN AND COMMANDED IN YOUR BOOK BY ALLAH.

Big fucking difference.

Boojiboy, everything you are saying here rests on the erroneous assumption that the acts committed in the name of a religion must result from the principles that religion and not the individuals who practice or interpret it.

This is not a difficult concept for someone hailing from the "party of responsibility" to understand. It is, however, difficult for a bigot to admit.

Zombie,

You need to read the Quran.

I have.

#83 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2009-11-06 12:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

And another anti-christian voice heard from. No surprise for someone hailing from the "party of no personal responsibility".

The core difference between your faith and Christianity is that despite the shit that Christians do, they cannot base it on what is written in the New Testament. It violates the word of Christ and you cannot find justification for any act of violence upon another human regardless of race, creed etc.

Christianity is not solely a New Testament faith. Over the past 2000 years, different movements and have reached different interpretations of the New and Old Testaments. Many of these movements, especially those that have become married to political ideologies, selectively adhere to the parts of the Old Testament that suit their needs. This includes the genocidal bits.

Regardless of where you want to point your finger, boojiboy, you will not have grounds to do it until your finger is pointing at an individual and not stories that you despise solely by virtue of the country of your birth.

You need to read the Quran.

I have as well... found it fairly similar to the bible, really.

And another anti-christian voice heard from.

I have no problem with Christians. I do have a problem with self-righteous cocksuckers who spew hate while hiding behind religion. That's probably why I don't like you.

"found it fairly similar to the bible"

Since it borrows heavily from the babble, that would follow.

She is a true hero!

He is not:

What an incredibly stupid statement. Since when have they been training Psychiatrists with the rank of Major to engage in combat ? You really need to keep your thoughts to yourself in order to avoid embarrassment.

Zombie,
Stick with the new testament, and in particular Christ's teachings. Get rid of the theological aspects and concentrate on the behavioral aspects of it. All he was really saying was be nice to each other.

Take it even further, read the Coptic books-almost zen like in the interpretation of our place in the cosmos.

vast difference between what Christ said and what Mohammad said.

And I'm not a practicing Christian by the way. It is more from a perspective of gaining understanding of where we come from that I read. And that applies to the Quran as well.

I recommend reading Tom Holland's 'The Forge of Christianity.' It can give you an interesting perspective on how we got to where we are today, and in particular the separation of church and state that led to the rise of our Western Civilization.

Really good stuff.

Bye, bye, For Weeks Thom.

Hypocrit libs bash Christianity routinely but are afraid of their Muslim masters.

Thom, Thom.... you would have made it around here as a spoof of Rwing idiocy, but as the real thing?

Boring.

I've read the Quran, and spent more than a minute in Islamic communities in various parts of the world. I've found the average Muslim to be pretty good people, as long as you understand that their priority system and world view is different from ours. That being said, I've also put a bullet in a couple too, but they had it coming.

This guy should/could have been ID'd as a potential problem, signs were there. But ask yourself this; how many nut-cases do you work/shop/play beside every day? What do you do about it? Probably (like me) just shake your nugget and go about your business. This particular expression of his degraded mental state is not a reflection of an entire culture.

I am not espousing Islam here, I truly believe that if the Christian world doesn't get it's act togethor we're going to be out bred and pushed out. God helps those who help themselves, and not by unnecessary violence; just stick to the rules and our basic foundations of "our" faith.

Sgt. Kimberly Munley did her job, and did it well; kudos to a pro who took her training to heart. Her actions saved lives! Sorry for the loss of all those just living their lives.

They're taken from civilized life into a world where life is dehumanized and trained to kill. Sometimes they go berserk. When they return to civilian life, some of them can't readjust.

According to the article, he had never deployed outside of US. And had hired an attorney to "get out of the Army".

Maybe a nurse would turn off the pain killers he is on. Let him think about what he did with a clear mind while he is on the ventilator.

Soldiers should not be allowed to have guns.

AGAIN

We don't have Christains running around with bombs up the ass, suicide bombing.

We DO have muslims, LITERIALLY shoving bombs up their ass, in order to do a suicide bombing.

And to REMOVE ANY POSSIBILITY OF DOUBT, the "Allah Akbar" crap they spew is the huge smoking gun statement.

If you had Christains REGULARLY shouting "die in the name Jesus!!" as they shot someone, you might have a point. BUT THAT IS NOT HAPPENING. At best every decade or so, you can point at a lone nut case.

How many "ALLAH AKBAR" suicide bombers, shooters, etc HAVE WE HAD THIS MONTH?

If he was so against the army, WHY did he join up in the first place?

No other jobs available? None at all?

You and Tosser can be reaaaal proud!!!

Of what, Boogerboy?

Neither Klifferd nor I am Turkish.

No but your Moslem.

Look into why it was going on.

The Christians in Lebanon had become an economic power.

The LOCAL moslems, not the Turks were bitching to the Turks. The Turks who were, oh by the way moslem dealt with it in their special way.

Kinda like when the Albanians tortured and slaughtered the Serbs at the beginning of WWI.

No but your Moslem.

No, I'm an American Christian Mountain Dew redneck until Sunday.

Just saying someone is muslim and then expect him to know what the hell you are talking about, is kinda stupid.

A guy from Pakistan (for example) can no way relate to the experiences and history of a guy from Jordon, or a Palestinian or an American-muslim.

Everyone has a very different history and they see the world in their own different ways.

toss,

these idiots dont' realize when they paint with a broad brush, they open themselves up for the same.

all christians abort their babies!!!

how funny is it that all christians abort babies but yet all christians kill abortion doctors

what the fuck!?

"all christians abort their babies!!!"

LOL

You're so silly.

If you don't like what they say, why do you resort to the same thing?

Makes no sense to me.

and damn... every christian on earth is a gay basher...

and since that one pastor last year says you should marry 13 year old girls, i guess all christians still practice child marriage.

hmmm

and wait. those LDS christians love to have 5 or 6 wives and where pilgrim costumes... i guess all christians love pilgrim costumes and 6 wives.

"Makes no sense to me."

cause they are really angry

and you know me :) i don't really give a shit.
haha

besides... "fight fire with fire"

Yes Klifferd, I know you. Which is why I don't understand why you would take the low road with them.

Since when do you care what anyone says?? lol

Fighting fire with fire gets one no where.

You must have also heard it said that two wrongs don't make a right.

She was quite effective, one of our most impressive young policemen," said Lt. Gen. Robert W. Cone, the base commander. "She walked up and basically engaged him. I think, certainly, this could've been far worse".

Doesn't that add insult to injury when a Muslim man gets shot full of holes by a blonde woman?

It does?

Good.

"You must have also heard it said that two wrongs don't make a right."

hahaha
cause the right way is never fun.

the fun way is to make them angry and heated...

my point is that painting with a broad brush is stupid... thats why my "all blah blah" is greatly exagerated.

"Doesn't that add insult to injury when a Muslim man gets shot full of holes by a blonde woman?"

nope
being that i and a few others who (one of whom is a redneck this week) are actually muslims aren't offended, makes your statement pretty retarded.

i was hoping it was two hot blondes

then it would make it sexy too ;)

if the Christian world doesn't get it's act togethor we're going to be out bred and pushed out.

If the secular world doesn't get it together and cut the legs out from under the fundie wackos out there, it's going to be outbred and pushed out. I don't give a damn about the "Christian world" but I like my secularism. I'm not worried by Muslim immigrants or your run-of-the-mill Christians, though. Even though a good chunk of the US Christian population can be classified as certifiably insane religious crackpots, they are kept in their place. Having a religious populace, whether it is Christian, Muslim, or a mix of everything, is not a cause for concern. Allowing individuals to infringe on the rights of others in the name of their religion is a problem.

God helps those who help themselves, and not by unnecessary violence; just stick to the rules and our basic foundations of "our" faith.

What is "our" faith? I am American, but "our" faith is certainly not mine. This sort of Christian supremacy is not only revolting to any rational individual, but it is self-defeating in a global society. "We" as Americans are not Christian. Some among us are, but "we" are a people that have decided that all have the right to believe what they want free of harassment.

Only use "necessary" violence to make sure "they" stay "over there," right? Turning the other cheek and not casting the first stone are not going to help you very much. Breeding like rabbits may also help in the short term - the Pope understands that much - but in centuries later you will still not have done a single goddamn thing to solve the problems that are facing us today.

Oh, I am not the guy that thinks differtly about Muslims because some wackjob losses it and happens to be Muslim.

The guy was a crazy dick no matter who he thought his God was. And I don't care who yours is really.

Yes, like that fucking German in Florida who went on a Christian killing spree and we see the news calling out his faith.

Remember all the Propagnada the Bush admin used in the run up to the Iraq War?

Like a guy like this would convert us all to Islam and we would only be able to buy falalfals and McDonalds.

Remember, they had photo shopped pictures and everything and all the Bush supporters were running around shitting themselves out of the fear that 10-20 muslims would come over here and destroy our way of life.

Remember that?

Ah,..........the memories of those stupid scared little fucks...........

How you guys doing these days anyway?

No, I'm not enraged - more like reveling in the left's hypocrisy.

#50 | Posted by nanc

Didn't you hateful Christian bigots get the memo? It's the Two Minute Hate, not the Two Millennium Hate.

He got shot by a blonde???

Why can't I get shot by a blonde? We can have super make-up sex afterwards.

Another gem of ignorance by FWTHOM...Kliff loves to excuse Muslim behavior as much as Barry loves to kiss Muslim ass.

His Mentor GW Bush was the biggest Muslim ass kisser in the history of the USA. Why do you think he went after Saddam's head?

Do yourself a favor FW and eat a bag of toad stools.

Remember, they had photo shopped pictures and everything and all the Bush supporters were running around shitting themselves out of the fear that 10-20 muslims would come over here and destroy our way of life.

Remember that?

Ah,..........the memories...

How you guys doing these days anyway?

ok, many, I'll bite. I was one of those. Your hindsight is 20/20 of the photoshopping involved. Many have woken up when the photoshopping became so apparent. So why don't you make your point without the 'holier than thou I was on the right side' attitude. Clearly from your post, you were only "right" because you were already anti-Bush.

By any chance is her first name "Sarah"?

Muffy.

BuffaloBob --

Don't you see now how important it would have been for the other soldiers to have been armed with guns? They could have taken out the killer long before he reached such a high body count but no guns were allowed on the base -- except for a select few who were allowed to carry.

Without guns to return fire, those dead and wounded soldiers were sitting ducks and it allowed this Muslim jihad nutjob to run amok and fire at will.

And it was a woman who knew how to handle a gun who saved the day! Thanks to her, the lives of a number of other potential victims were saved. He would not have stopped killing until someone took him out.

Chris: You are right on all counts.

You must be from California.

Cone also stated, "He was shooting people more than once if he could" ?

Hasan used an FN Herstal 5.7 tactical pistol. The gun was purchased legally in August 2009 at Guns Galore in Killeen, Texas. Some law enforcement officials say the gun packs so much firepower that they call it "the cop killer".

FTA: ...the rampage was ended by Sgt. Kimberly Munley, who exchanged gunfire with Hasan and managed to shoot him four times despite being shot herself...

Flag: Want to buy this gal a Beer!

4 shots into the lunatic and he's now lying in a hospital bed on a ventilator?

Woulda been better if she put him down fer good but under the circumstances that's still some good shooting.

Be Well.

Dr. Hasan may very well be suffering from PTSD. How? He listened to returnees already suffering from PTSD for a few years, and may have become clinically depressed. I can understand how being exposed to war stories from the wars in Western Asia as one's job every day, all day, could bring one down. He may have come to see the wars as evil, and the soldiers going off to fight the wars as the embodiment of that evil.