Fail, baby, fail!

But watch, all will hear about for weeks ish ow much trouble the Dems are in because a governor with a 30% approval rating lost.

Nogov - SWS flaring up again? Seek help.

While I'm disappointed Hoffman lost I am greatly encouraged by what took place in NY. Here's why.

First Scozza was very left for a Republican. Would her votes have gone the way of her party or, more likely, would she have been the US House equivalent of Olympia Snowe, etc?

So in terms of actual votes I doubt there's much difference between Scozza and the Dem.

That she tossed her support to the Dem is telling. So other than the locals in her county and nearby (the ones who felt probably the closest personal ties to her) the rest of the state backed Hoffman on very short notice.

Was Hoffman an overreach? Perhaps. That area may not be as staunchly conservative as elsewhere in the nation.

But at the same time, a significant portion of this nation is yearning for boldly spoken conservatism. And Hoffman's run on short notice should be a beam of encouragement to those who are simply fed up with not only where the Dems are leading us, but fed up with the spending of Reps who'd governed as Dem-lite for so long.

OORAH, she would have been far different from a DEM in that she would have caucused with Repubs. Congressman have much less power then Senators and the parties themselves gain much more just by simply improving their caucus numbers.

I can also guarantee she would have voted the GOP party line more often then the Dem would, especially on issues without much impact on her constituents. To somehow equate Olympia Snowes voting record to Bernie Sanders or Ted Kennedy's is to be disingenuous.

To say she would have been no different then the Dem is sour grapes.

I will grant that Hoff man showed the GOP that there is a significant percentage of the party that is disgruntled and politically active.

Where that leads no-one knows.

If Democrats were smart they'd start beating the crap out of Wall Street with legislation and claim themselves some populist bona fides.

Give me a break, oohrah. Hoffman called glenn beck his "mentor".

He lost because there just aren't enough crazy people to vote for a guy that worships a crying nutso larouche douche.

Pro Gun Rights. Pro Bush Tax Cuts and Anti-Cap and Trade.

That makes her either a Blue Dog Democrat or an East Coast Republican.

Was Hoffman an overreach? Perhaps.

Perhaps? Absofreakinglutely. Republicans shot themselves in the foot here by throwing their support to a conservative who had no ties to the district and didn't care about local issues at all. Hoffman got mad during one newspaper's editorial board meeting because he said the questions should have been sent to him in advance. The questions were printed in that morning's paper!

Palin, once again, has proven her amazing political instincts. Amazingly bad instincts. If she is nominated in 2012, she'll get beaten so bad Walter Mondale will feel sorry for her.

True, GUS, but did you also see all the other stuff there? Her ties with the Dems?

Correct me if I'm wrong, Hoffman wasn't even running on the Republican ticket. If he had, I think we'd have seen a different outcome... particularly if he'd campaigned for the whole pre-election campaign season.

As I said earlier, Hoffman might have been an overreach for this specific district of the nation. But he's a bellweather of things to come.

but that doesn't necessarily negate the message.

#6 | Posted by OohRah at 2009-11-04 06:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

The message is crazy too. What does footage of nazis behind beck while he's talking about Obama mean?

What's the "message" there?

How about Rush calling obama's health care plan "reparations"? What's the message there?

Bombast... showmanship, etc. We're talking about the messenger - one of brashness, saying things passionately and sometimes over the top.

I'm not going to defend each and every word uttered by anyone. I don't care for Beck's personality at all and I have probably spent all of 10 minutes ever watching him. Ever. He's too over the top for me. But that doesn't negate his ideas that we're heading down a wrong path.

The message that Obama and his admin are bent on fundamentally changing America is the message.

"But he's a bellweather of things to come."

Possibly in ways the GOP will come to rue.

The only really bad thing about this election is that it could actually wake up Republicans to the fact that teabaggers and Palinites aren't a large enough group to actually elect people. I hope Palin recognizes this morning that her campaigning for Hoffman could have worked against him and probably did. She can expect for other Republicans to say "thanks but no thanks" when she offers to come campaign for them in the future.

This is what happens when the GOP choses RINOs and runs ads against real Republicans like Hofman.

Newt Gingrich is treasonous garbage RINO scom. I hope he doesn't think of running for president in 2012. He is history. And as far as Dede, her GOP career is over. Endorsing a Democrat is a definite no-no. She can go ahead and join the Dems where she is confortable being.

Good fer NY....it was downright ugly in Va.

Although I am sad Hofman loss, I would rather have the New Jersey win, which I didn't think could happen, than this one. NJ has more of an impact when you considere how invested Obama was in the Dems winning it.

Conservatism is fine, especially if you want to limit the government and promote equality.

It's a sad and scary day for a lot of couples in Maine.

Apparently even conservative New Yorkers don't want any Glenn Beck devotees. This election can accurately be described as a repudiation of that lunatic.

I would rather have Palin as my ally than ACORN.

I would rather wote for a Glen Beck devote than a Mao or Marx devote any day of the week.

"NJ has more of an impact when you considere how invested Obama was in the Dems winning it."

How many voted in Congress does a governor have???

When NJ still has financial problems in 2010 who will now get the blame???

Electing a Republican in NJ is going to be like electing Schwarzeneggor in California.

You can imagine how much this line pleased me: "Owens, a Plattsburgh attorney who wasn't even registered with the Democratic party before entering the race, seemed to benefit from voters' preference for pragmatism over ideology."

"I would rather wote for a Glen Beck devote than a Mao or Marx devote any day of the week."

Apparently New Yorkers didn't buy into that stupid talking point and recognized a flat out lie when Beck repeated it over and over and over.

"Newt Gingrich is treasonous garbage RINO scom."

Chom! Chomp! Burrrrrrp!
That sound you hear?
"La revolution devoure ses enfants."
That's the Revolution eating its own children.
"A la lanterne! A la guillotine!"
Long live the Purge!

"But that doesn't negate his ideas that we're heading down a wrong path.
The message that Obama and his admin are bent on fundamentally changing America is the message."

When were we on the right path in your opinion? When Bush was destroying the economy and invading Iraq while ignoring Afghanistan? Was it when Clinton was having an affair while working with Congressional Republicans to balance the budget and reform welfare? Was it when Bush/Reagan/Bush combined to oversee the spending of the $9 Trillion of the current $11 Trillion National debt?

When were we on the right path in your opinion?
.....#26 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce

......the way the teabaggers are talking about simpler times/smaller government.......

......the right path was just before that trouble maker Lincoln made them give up their affordable labor.......

Doc, I agree, let's use the guillotine on Newt!

"Doc, I agree, let's use the guillotine on Newt!"

Absolutely! And anyone else who doesn't display succifient revolutionary zeal! Then anyone whose views are the teensiest, weensiest out of kilter with --- whose? --- oh, right, ours! And then...and then...and then we'll form Le Comit de Salut Public and start drawing up lists, long lists.

But remember: Don't you dare miss a meeting and don't even think about being late for one.

"......the way the teabaggers are talking about simpler times/smaller government.......

......the right path was just before that trouble maker Lincoln made them give up their affordable labor.......
#27 | Posted by skizziks at 2009-11-04 08:15 AM"

Probabaly that's much too recent, skizziks.

Likely, they haven't been happy since the Whiskey Rebellion was crushed:

The Oorahs and other diehards here make it clear that they'd rather go down to ignominious defeat with their rightie flags flying high than join the 21st century with a moderate who just might win. The Republican candidate was hardly a pinko commie soshalist extremist, but True Blue mossbacks would rather toss her under the truck than compromise. No wonder the Party of No has become an anachronism. herm

I am just glad Murky will be forced to eat crow. The Dems didn't win them all but this proves the tea baggers don't have the influence they think they do.

...independent conservative candidate nearly pulled it off...despite the spin. This is a bodacious statement for the next year elections.

the election of a dem in a rural upstate NY election is proof that people LOVE obama.....the Governor wins for the repubs mean nothing

No more rinos -- if a politician is going to support the liberal agenda -- let them run as dems. Do not run as a GOP/Conservative and then sell those of us who believe in conservative principles out.

Believe it or not libs, the pivilege of representation extends to Conservatives in NY.

"...independent conservative candidate nearly pulled it off...despite the spin. This is a bodacious statement for the next year elections."

Okay, but didn't win. One might suggest the spike really came because of star endorsements like the one from Palin. Controversy begets coverage begets votes.

I would suggest that there are no greater observations to be made than that these people won on these days. Okay, maybe we can make some observations about upstate New York. Like that it's fascinating that a _democrat_ won. By the logic some of you seem to be using, we can now conclude that the whole state is democratic! No more Republicans!

Perhaps it was, at least in part, because of those endorsements?

Well, with StarvisLogic(TM), Governor Corzine's loss in New Jersey was, at least in part, because he was heavily endorsed by Obama.

"Well, with StarvisLogic(TM), Governor Corzine's loss in New Jersey was, at least in part, because he was heavily endorsed by Obama."

You could think that until you checked Obama's poll ratings in both NJ and VA. Corzine gained quickly in the polls after Obama's visits, just not enough.

I would rather have Palin as my ally than ACORN.

She's the captain of the Titanic and 2012 is the iceberg, dude. You will thank us if Palin is kept from getting the nomination.

The Oorahs and other diehards here make it clear that they'd rather go down to ignominious defeat with their rightie flags flying high than join the 21st century with a moderate who just might win.

#31 | Posted by herm

I can respect them for that.

the election of a dem in a rural upstate NY election is proof that people LOVE obama..

#34 | Posted by Turd_Ferguson

Please show me one quote or link where anyone said that.

In the one election where the teabagging crowd went over the top (NY's 23rd) they blew it. If you check the exit polls from NJ and VA, Obama's still in good shape with voters; it's local issues, local perceptions, and the economy that did the trick for the victors.

The best thing Obama has going for him -- aside from his own smarts -- is the collection of wingnuts who want to purge the GOP.

"You could think that until you checked Obama's poll ratings in both NJ and VA. Corzine gained quickly in the polls after Obama's visits, just not enough."

I am sure you could also check the youth and minority votes, which came out in droves to elect Obama. Or one could check the game plan of the dems invoking Bush and relying on those tactics to win. Which worked in 2006 and 2008. Problem is, as time goes by, so does the effectiveness of that lightening rod. 2010 is going to be ugly, unless the dems can create a new boogeyman.

Obama and the Dems had better be truthful to themselves about a growing repudiation of their programs.

Let them outwardly declare the NY congressional seat as THE overriding Demo victory in this election cycle. They are, after all, just politicians and spin is the name of the game.

But hopefully they will be honest with themselves about the election's obvious negative message in their private discussions of 2010 congressional election strategies .

"Obama and the Dems had better be truthful to themselves about a growing repudiation of their programs."

Poll numbers just do not support that statement. The Public Option, specifically, has gained in the polls over the last several months. As I heard one person on TV last night even commented that the longer it takes to pass health care reform the stronger the public seems to be supporting it. Basically, the more people know about things the more they are supporting the Democratic agenda.

What?!

The Dem won this? Isn't this the seat that has been Repub for well over a 100 years?

And Sarah Palin and Dick Armey lost it for them?

I quit watching news last night after seeing the Govs go Repub, but voters saying by 60 percent that they were not considering Obama in their vote.

But this? I'm shocked!

Teabagger Poison, eh?

It's all upside down in wingnut world, eh?

A congressional win for dems is a loss.....

war is peace

palin is a foreign policy genius cause she lives in north alaska

a drug addled blowhard is their leader.....

and it's all good.....

except, historically, an incumbent party LOSES congressional seats in the first midterm election

trying to ty the gov losses to obama is funny, since neither candidate tried to use his popularity until it was too late....

but, don't let facts get in the way of your indoctrination boys....

"As I heard one person on TV last night even commented that the longer it takes to pass health care reform the stronger the public seems to be supporting it."

I hate to break this to you danni, but Reid has pretty much given up getting HC reform to a vote by the end of the year. He is conceding he doesn't have the votes. Which goes in line with Clyburns poll in the House last week.

#47...

I think that may be the first post without any RW, Rush, Beck, Bush, Cheney etc. as being to blame. Although I would have to disagree with the fact Obama's support came too late, in NJ Corzine had nothing but the anti Bush rhetoric and that dog don't hunt anymore.

#45 Danni: This is a good example of trying to rationalize away this warning signal to the Dems.

You heard "one person say on TV last night...."

I heard a lot more (CNN, FOX Etc) support my point ("Obama and the Dems had better be truthful to themselves about a growing repudiation of their programs").

Out of curiosity...was the "one person" on MSNBC? If so, you might want to broaden your horizons lest you enjoy deluding yourself by listening only to a totally biased group of fools.

Sarah lost another election for a Republican?

She's just too much! I'm really starting to enjoy her ineptitude.

ACORN? Someone said ACORN?

Care to tell me why I should concern myself, or anyone concern themselves with something called ACORN?

I'm still all ears and will be as upset with ACORN as you can possibly justify.

Please? Why should I care about ACORN? Why?

"Beck's style isn't my style. Nor is Rush's. But in both cases, they reflect the political views of many people."

Yes, this may be the case, but it's hardly a majority (as made evident by a democrat winning a seat held by a republican for the last century).

For instance, here in Virginia we had a far right candidate run as a moderate. In fact, he ran so fast away from his past towards the middle that it was staggering!

Most people I surround myself with understand the difference between a shared values and media hack saying outrageous things to sell commercials to morons. Perhaps you need to rethink your assumption(s).

52

Whichever poster invoked ACORN must not have gotten the new rw memo to stop, since if congress attacks acorn for receiving taxpayer money and an instance of fraud, they realized that they will then have to also do the same to halliburton and several other war profiteers.

That's why you aren't hearing about ACORN from the rw bloviators any longer.

Virginia has, since 1977, elected a Gov opposite the Party in power in the WH in each election.

The Dem candidate ran against the public option, saying he would not accept it as Gov.... he is in Pat Robertson's VA after all.

'Last Minute Robertson Donations Show McDonnell's 'True Agenda'

The real story here is NOT the failure of Palin/Beck instead it is the growing power of the "Tea Party" movement.

That an establishment hack like Scozzafava was run off the rails and the candidate of an obscure 3rd party, with no prior real political experience (and the personality of a "Glass of Warm Milk") came within striking distance of a well groomed professional politician backed by the State and National Democrat Machine.

This was the voice of the electorate speaking...not Beck..not Palin...they just jumped on the bandwagon after it was moving The American People are coming to the realization that there "Isn't a Dimes Worth of Difference" between the two political parties... and THAT is the real story.

The real story here is NOT the failure of Palin/Beck instead it is the growing power of the "Tea Party" movement.

You mean the same movement that just lost a seat that a Dem hasn't won in over 100 years?

That movement?

You go girl!!!!!!

Woke, I don't take marching order from "the rw bloviators." Fraud is fraud, I don't care where it comes from. We need to start with new peple in congress, new people who aren't corrupt.

This was the voice of the electorate speaking

Right, and the tea baggers lost BIG TIME.

I mean, I know you take your orders from lw bloviators, but not everyons is the same, some people think for themselves you know?

#55

Corky, what about NJ?

And can you imagine if VA had broken the pattern this time around? All we would hear is how Obama managed to changed historiacal patterns.

Whichever poster invoked ACORN must not have gotten the new rw memo to stop, since if congress attacks acorn for receiving taxpayer money and an instance of fraud, they realized that they will then have to also do the same to halliburton and several other war profiteers.

That's why you aren't hearing about ACORN from the rw bloviators any longer.#54 | Posted by woke at 2009-11-04 10:30 AM | Reply

Let us know when the WH halts any investigations of Haliburton and other war profiteers ala Conyers and ACORN. Hardly the fault of the RW, don't ya think?

Palin, you cunt!

--Steele

Obama is the one who appointed the NY seat holder to an admin job and created this vacancy.

If ya'll missed Jon Stewart's take on TV election coverage, it's hilarious.

Historical Patterns? You want to talk about Historical Patterns?

In 2008, 1 fucking year ago, Republicans won this District 65% - 34%

You bring in the tea baggers, and the republicans lose 20% of the voters.

Go TeaBaggers Go!!!!!

This wasn't a referendum on Obama as much as it was a referendum AGAINST the Conservative arm of the Republican Party.

What else caused them to lose 20% of the voters that they had just a year ago?

pwnd

Hoffman just conceded NY-23

Special thanks (for losing a seat held by the GOP since the 1800's) go to:

Tim Pawlenty
Sarah Palin
Glenn Beck

On to Florida to demean Charlie Crist, the best shot the GOP have for the open Senate seat in 2010...

#69 | Posted by Timex at 2009-11-04 12:35 AM

Worth repeating. (I would add Dick Armey)

Sure, cripsy.....

Let's see what's more important to you?

Investigating a organization that helps low income people secure housing and voting rights and is entraped by now debunked propagandists who edited their own video to exclude exculpatory evidence?

Or a giant global corporation that are responsble for billions in fraud and deaths of our war vets?

tick tock tick tock

Palin, once again, has proven her amazing political instincts. Amazingly bad instincts. If she is nominated in 2012, she'll get beaten so bad Walter Mondale will feel sorry for her.

Special thanks (for losing a seat held by the GOP since the 1800's) go to:

I credit the voters for being smart enough to make their electoral decision, not talk show hosts or ex-governors from a state 3000 miles away.

I'm pretty sure it's been that way since at least the 1800s

Hey Spuds!

I'm concerned about Glen Beck and Sean Hannity. Do you know if there are suicide watches on these poor bastards?

Come on Corky, they will claim a victory over this.

They will spin their involvement was a good thing.

They will try to spin that alienating 20% of republican voters is some how a good thing.

Watch!

I think Dede would have lost by an even wider margin than Hoffman.

#72 | Posted by member2586

Horseshit. The only reason a Dem won was because those people rejected a Conservative.

Historical Trends and all.

"Investigating a organization that helps low income people secure housing and voting rights and is entraped by now debunked propagandists who edited their own video to exclude exculpatory evidence?"
#67 | Posted by woke at 2009-11-04 10:59 AM | Reply.

Reading is fundamental Woke. Go back and look at my post again. I never said who should or shouldn't be investigated, I was reponding to your partisan accusation of the rw rant they wanted to take Acorn down and ignore Haliburton. Conyers is hardly RW and the WH stopping Conyers from investigating can't be because of rightwingers. As you claimed.

The last time this district had a Conservative on the ballot along with a Republican, the Democrat got 18% of the votes. 9 years ago.

Gee Sarah, what happened this time? This is a huge blow to Conservatives and their tea bags.

#67 | Posted by woke at 2009-11-04 10:59 AM | Reply |

Hey Champ....

How'd did those 'polls' work out for you last night sport?

Looks like the Empty Suit has already lost his clout

EH?
.

This is a huge blow to Conservatives and their tea bags.

#75 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-11-04 11:11 AM

LOL!!!

Yeah Right....

Keep on dreaming champ....

How'd the rest of the elections work out for you?

.

None of the other elections involved a change of seat that hadn't changed in over 100 years.

The other elections went about the same way those elections go. This one? HOLY FUCKING SHIT!

The Republicans lost this seat?!?!?!?! They lost another seat, and one they have had for over 100 years?!?!?!?!?

How in the hell did that happen?

well, the voters REJECTED the Conservative and gave the seat to a Dem instead for the first time in over a century.

The other races last night, those seats go back and forth between the parties all the time.

But to lose a seat that has been RED for over 100 years is something. It really speaks towards the direction the voters want to see thhis country move and it isn't Right.

I am quite happy to let Libearls continue thinking this was a bad night for conservatives. They will continue to overreach and they will lose bigtime next year.

"Hoffman's defeat marks yet another gut-wrenching loss for House Republicans, who have seen Democrats win seats in traditional GOP territory in special elections dating back to last year."

Ya' gotta love it. Our little leftist-socialist friends seize on this tidbit and completely ignore the devastating results elsewhere. That seat in NY was held by a "republican" who voted for just about every leftist program the democrats proposed so it was actually not a loss. On the other hand, Glorious Leader and his lackey made numerous trips to NJ in an attempt to save Corzine and that failed. Wanna discuss THAT one? Or the clean sweep in VA?...LOL

Incidently, this is for Porky...oops, I mean Corky:

If this ahd been a triefecta, Liberals would be warming us not to overread the results and blah blah blah.

This one is for JestGettinNone.....

The lesson of NY23 is that the GOP should have initially backed real conservatives instead of running ads againts Hoffman. What a disgrace.

Anyone trying to make broad political points from the circus upstate is ignoring the 800 lb gorilla in the room. The significant news from yesterday was in New Jersey.

There we saw that Obama's policies were soundly rejected by the same people that voted for him just a year before. In spite of Obama's help, Corzine went down hard. Here there was a clear choice, and the people chose to say no. Upstate was a freak show with RINOs, carpetbaggers, goofy last-minute switcheroos and who knows what happened at the polls out there in the sticks.
And had Hoffman won, all we'd hear here would be people whining about the mind-numbed robots marching in lockstep to Palin and Beck. So which is it?

Posted by Dinsey at 2009-11-04 11:24 AM | Reply Missed the 60+ percent of voters who said their vote had nothing to do with Obama

I think Corzine lost because Obama campaigned there so much. After all, I don't think the people of NJ want outsiders telling them who to vote for governor, lol!

The only really bad thing about this election is that it could actually wake up Republicans to the fact that teabaggers and Palinites aren't a large enough group to actually elect people. I hope Palin recognizes this morning that her campaigning for Hoffman could have worked against him and probably did. She can expect for other Republicans to say "thanks but no thanks" when she offers to come campaign for them in the future.

#14 | Posted by danni at 2009-11-

once again you, like many national figures, resort to insulting millions of american citizens using a pornagraphic reference.
this is exactly the sort of fucking shit that keeps the tension going amoungst us. see it has already caused me to use two nasty words.
when your side decides to stop that kind of total nonsense..or rather when national figures decide to stop that crap..then there might acually be a means of bipartisanship
but until..you suck.

Member needs to go get his ass handed to him on the Rush Said thread..........

It was you folks who said this race was a big deal. It was you guys who were saying that Dems would dismiss the reuslts of this election.

Now look at you. You are what Rush said we would be.

Ha Ha. The Conservative movement just shot a seat off of the Republican Party.

did anyone actually see or hear this guy?
not exactly cut out of the national statesman cloth was he?
but even at the last minute, he got a lot of votes,

which by the way is EXACTLY the argument you leftists would be making if it came out the other way..isnt it.

SERIOUSLY....this race showed the importance of a primary and HE will have to run in a year..right??

My man was right on...wasn't he Corker. I love it. That "outlier" pollster continues to post numbers that are right on and continues to piss off you and your little friends. Here were his final numbers. Oh, and the Fordam University study says Rasmussen is MOST accurate. LOL...is your asshole chewing your seat cushion now?

"Republican Chris Christie continues to hold a three-point advantage over incumbent Democrat Jon Corzine in New Jersey's down-to-the-wire race for governor.

The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey in the state, conducted Thursday night, shows Christie with 46% of the vote and Corzine with 43%."

I would say that this race DID have a primary.

The Conservative attacked the Republican.

The Conservative won that battle.

Then the Conservative lost the seat to a Dem for the first time in over 100 years.

They REJECTED Beck, Palin, Gingrinch, Rush and the entire Conservative movement resoundingly. The Republicans in that district looked at them and their teabagging mobs and said "NO!"

Just a question, Are Christie and/or McDonnell considered staunch Conservatives?

Or are they just Republicans?

Ha Ha. The Conservative movement just shot a seat off of the Republican Party.

#88 | Posted by Manypaths

Probably true, but that fat bitch was to the left of 2/3 of the Dems in congress.

While I don't like true 'moderate' conservatives being shunned from the RNC, the fact that an outright leftist was purged from its ranks is probably a good thing for the party, moving forward.

#90 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2009-11-04 11:33 AM | Reply | Flag: broken clocks

the fact that an outright leftist was purged from its ranks is probably a good thing for the party, moving forward.

Well, yeah, as long as you enjoy losing elections. The attempt to take over the Republican Party by ultra conservatives is failing. Not because of 'lefties' but because of sensible Republicans.

If the GOP is going to be successful, they need to back off this being a party of 'morality' and 'family values' and focus on being a party of fiscal responsibility, limited government, fewer government regs and intrusions into the economy, etc. The 'moral value' stuff is OK as a back-drop, but when it becomes the defining 'issue' for any candidate it indicates an inability to govern effectively.

"The only really bad thing about this election is that it could actually wake up Republicans to the fact that teabaggers and Palinites aren't a large enough group to actually elect people."

Hmmmm...using THAT yardstick, I would have to say that Glorious Leader and Blathering Biden didn't have enough balls to influence New Jersey either...right? All those visits for nada. And then, of course, there's that STOMPING that took place in VA...

Well, yeah, as long as you enjoy losing elections. The attempt to take over the Republican Party by ultra conservatives is failing. Not because of 'lefties' but because of sensible Republicans.

If the GOP doesn't move away from this moral-superiority bullshit, you may well prove to be correct.

and focus on being a party of fiscal responsibility, limited government, fewer government regs and intrusions into the economy, etc

That's pretty much how the 2 Rep. Gov. that won last night ran right?

I agree.

"Ha Ha. The Conservative movement just shot a seat off of the Republican Party."

Who's gonna notice?

#97

Who's gonna notice?

#100 | Posted by jestgettinalong

The people who will benefit from Public Healthcare!

Look at the gov races in NJ and VA. Moderate R's
won. As long as the Limbaughs and Palins drum
moderates out of the GOP, success as a party on a
national level will elusive. Given the electoral
map, its not sufficient to just dominate the South.

I said it....and if you watched the nonpartisan msnbc team last night, they made the point clear

If the district is as staunchly republican as this place supposedly is, Owens will be one termer. Unless of course Palin steps in to kill off the republican candidate again.

I don't wanna rain on your NY victory parade, Corkster, but you GOTTA see this!

"In New Jersey, former federal prosecutor Chris Christie will oust first-term Democratic Gov. Jon Corzine, CNN projects. Christie will be the first Republican to win the top office in heavily Democratic New Jersey in 12 years.

Corzine will be the first New Jersey governor to lose a re-election bid since 1993, when then-Gov. Jim Florio, a Democrat, lost to GOP challenger Christie Todd Whitman."

#103 | Posted by tiger150

Agreed. Republicans running on local issues won a couple of elections last not.

The Ideological Conservatives lost theirs.

#105 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

See? Someone gets it!

If Palin is the GOP candidate in '12, I won't be surprised if the party just shuts down completely.

I'd like to see some balance returned to the country, and to the GOP. Palin's doing her best to keep the GOP crazy and keep the country under 1 party rule.

How many Congressional Elections were held last night?

"The people who will benefit from Public Healthcare!"

Maybe not...

"Monday, November 02, 2009
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi introduced the House version of health care reform legislation last week, but most voters are still opposed to the effort.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 42% now favor the health care plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats. That's down from 45% a week ago but unchanged from two weeks ago.

Fifty-four percent (54%) now oppose the legislative effort, up three points since last week."

The headline for this thread should be:

Democrats Continue Their Congressional Election Domination

Murphy I thought you were so sure Hoffman would win??

She wouldn't dare to raise her ugly head in here.

"House Speaker Nancy Pelosi introduced the House version of health care reform legislation last week, but most voters are still opposed to the effort."

As well as Unions, House dems, Senate dems....

Murphy I thought you were so sure Hoffman would win??
.....#113 | Posted by jackass

......they don't call it Murphy's Law for nothing..........

And this bill is not going to pass.
....#23 | Posted by MURPHY

......it's a good thing that you are generally wrong about everything......

Posted by skizziks at 2009-10-31 01:14 PM

The final bill won't be what Pelosi put up.

You guys are aware of how this process works right?

They REJECTED Beck, Palin, Gingrinch, Rush and the entire Conservative movement resoundingly. The Republicans in that district looked at them and their teabagging mobs and said "NO!"

#91 | Posted by Manypaths at

so if we follow this idea from you then

the voters of new jersey REJECTED OBAMA AND PELOSI AND REID...

and another who has to resort to pornography to insult millions..too bad,.

But one thing is for sure about the HC bill.

Doug Hoffman won't have a God damn thing to do with it.

yesterday on rush
he listed his top ten MODERATE republican moments

things such as ford in 76 and mccain and others

and they all had one thing in common.
they LOST Every single time,...his top was colin powel endorcing obama but his point was made.
the left wants the republicans to keep that up as the dems win when that happens...
oh bush on several occasions was on the list as well.

#118 | Posted by afkabl2

Maybe you should go back and look at the issues the ran on.

How did the Congressional Elections go last night? The one that had to do with National Politics?

Yes, Republicans won some elections last night focusing on local issues. The election with National implications was a SHOCKING defeat to the GOP in a district that they NEVER worried about before.

It was a very telling night on the National level.

you cant deny that even in losing hoffman did show that the tea party protests have not faded from the spotlight as leftists HAVE to have fade in order to keep thier stranglhold.

and CRIST IN florida may be next especailly since he laughed out loud in the interview I saw when he was asked about rubbio and the 'protesters"..

NORMALLY you would think that dems would love to see these people being 'primaried' but they arent because they know what rush said about 'moderate republicans' is true

MCCAIN was a moderate and he lost
ford was a moderate and he lost to a PEANUT FARMER AT THAT.....

Doug Hoffman won't have a God damn thing to do with it.
.....#119 | Posted by Manypaths

......that guy looked creepy wierd.......

....like maybe he had body parts in the freezer at home or something......

The final bill won't be what Pelosi put up.

You guys are aware of how this process works right?

#117 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-11-04 12:16 PM

You are aware Clyburn came out last week saying he doesn't have enough dems votes in the House, right. Now Harry Reid just announced the Senate is in the same bind and said there won't be a vote by the end of the year. Not to mention Harry won't send the latest proposals to the CBO. Doesn't look good for the leadership of all three Houses.

The Tea Baggers caused the Republican party to lose 20% of it's voters in this district. Republicans have won this district by landslides for 100 years.

The tea baggers get involved, they lose.

Why you think that is a postive only shows how out of touch with reality you are.

come on man

so a district in NY shows us dems are still the 'boss' but TWO state offices doesnt
AND ONE of those is BLUE AND BLUER....(sp)...

and that one had OBAMA In it every other day?????

please....you are grasping.

AND DO NOT FORGET TWO nAMEs

ALLEN and WHITMAN

elected governors of virginnia and new jersey the same night

1993..

DO I HAVE to remind you about the congressional elections ONE YEAR AFTER THAT???

Right OC, the bill will change. You start with by putting everything in it and you negotiate from there.

I thought you knew how the process worked. I guess I was wrong.

like maybe he had body parts in the freezer at home or something......

#123 | Posted by skizziks at 2009

at the real risk of almost agreeing with you on anything....there was a certain look to the man wasnt there?

"The tea baggers get involved, they lose."

I take it there were no teabggers in NJ or Virginia???

Another poster made a good point...

The thing that sucks about Dede withdrawing from the race is any absentee ballots sent in before she withdrew may have voted for Hoffman (or the Dem) after her withdrawal, but the absentee voters are SOL.

#4 | Posted by andyuhenet at 2009-11-04 11:40 AM

LOL

Hopefully the GOP takes note of this, and shuts Palin up.

"Yes, Republicans won some elections last night..."

Ol' ManyPathogens is a master at understatement, isn't he?

as long as you continue to use the teabagger word that way

you suck.

too bad...

lets see if I can come up with a derogatory name for millions of liberals.

hnmmmmm lets see.......

how about 'chicken shit motherfuckers'

nope...already been used...

lets see...uh...god damn democrats
nope...used that too.....

how about "EX MAJORITY PARTY"

yeah..thats the ticket..

gotta go

MANYPATHS....try and get over the crushing defeat of obama last night in that DEEP BLUE STATE Of new jersey..
maybe the 'boss' can give a concert and attack republicans while he sings his shitty songs to help you...lol

Right OC, the bill will change. You start with by putting everything in it and you negotiate from there.

I thought you knew how the process worked. I guess I was wrong.

#127 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-11-04 12:28 PM

Not wrong, just naive. The dems write the bills and the dems don't like what was written. Hence the dems don't have the votes. Not rocket science.

Say what you want but Democrats continue their domination of Congressional Elections.

You can't deny it.

See, Bush Lover claims that the Republicans are going to take back the Congress.

Well, the reality is they just lost yet another seat.

sure I can..
if you can deny any significance to the BLUE state of JErsEY going red...

BUT DONT worry

its okay if you fall on your ass every once in a while...its already got a crack in it..

BA DUMP DUMP!!!!!!!

LUNCH BREAK

There is a thread about the Gov elections.

This one is about the election involving a seat the Republicans have held for over 100 years and lost.

"I take it there were no teabggers in NJ or Virginia???"

ManyPathogens isn't discussing those. His world today only exists in the 23rd District of NY where a leftist defeated a leftist. It has world-wide ramifications...just ask him about it.

"Say what you want but Democrats continue their domination of Congressional Elections."

Yet they can't even come together and agree on a comprehensive HC reform legislation? How will that help in 2010?

cant deny that...but cant deny the situation either

how many voted did he get after being in it for only so long and with so little money for most of the time...

and it IS new york you know..........yeah yeah I know not a dem in a 100 years......

IM JUST SAYIN.......

(CUE THE SINATRA TRACK)

la daaaaaaaaaa

la da da da

THE END IS NEAR

la da da da daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Jersey has had 18 Rep. Governors and 22 Dem. Governors in the last 160 years.

How about this NY seat?

See, Bush Lover claims that the Republicans are going to take back the Congress.

Well, the reality is they just lost yet another seat.

#135 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-11-04 12:35 PM

Funny, the dems thought they could win NJ and Virginia by having nothing but invoking Bush. The reality is, a Statewide election speaks volumes more than a district.

There was one race last night with national implications.

The Dems won that race.

The End!

okay

you win..........( hee hee)

that was the only race last night that mattered anywhere.......
now go back to sleep at your desk.........

-ManyPathogens isn't discussing those. His world today only exists in the 23rd District of NY where a leftist defeated a leftist. It has world-wide ramifications...just ask him about it.

There is a thread on the other races, this one is on the GNOP Debacle in NY.

Jersey has had 18 Rep. Governors and 22 Dem. Governors in the last 160 years.

How about this NY seat?

#142 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-11-04 12:42

Loretta Sanchez was the first dem to win a Congressional district in Orange County. Doesn't mean we are turning blue.

#141 | Posted by afkabl2

Don't rain on his parade...he's so enamored with that ONE victory he can't see anything else. He has completely missed the fact that those independents who voted democrat last year all voted HEAVILY conservative this time. Let him enjoy for now. I think he may need therapy late next year.

....like maybe he had body parts in the freezer at home or something......

He did make me think of Ted Williams head.....

"There was one race last night with national implications."

Please 'splain to us why Glorious Leader and a lot of other heavyweights expended all those efforts in in NJ and VA then.

that was the only race last night that mattered anywhere.......

Does making stuff up make you feel better about yourself?

Yes, the other races matter to the people in those states. Those Republicans ran on local issues and they won their elections. They didn't run on National issues like the Conservatives did in NY.

Where the conservatives made the election about national politics and brought in their heaciest hitters, they lost a seat that the GOP would never have thought they would lose.

Again, there was one election last night that was about national issues, and the Conservative movement got its ass handed to them in it.

going on and on about this race and not the others using some reasoning like...this is a different thread

please ..when did that really matter..
the forum is all about all of last night

and NOW FOR sURE

its all about lunch and I better enjoy it while I can.
if dems have thier way...I wont be able to enjoy whatever food I wish to and keep my doctor or my name off one of those PANELS>...

hee hee

#150 | Posted by jestgettinalong

huh? Are you saying the Gov of NJ has National implications? Really? Is that what you think?

They campaigned because they are members of the same party. It's what they do.

MANY
relax...that was a sarcastic post...see I was giving in to your argument and said that as if I agreed

oh shit..nevermind....humor is so unfunny when you have to explain it.

come on with this too

was there ever any doubt that all elections last night had 'national implications'

it was the first election since the asCEnsiON of the messiah chosen one..

if it were for dog catcher of madison county, CNN and the others would have been there.

well okay..maybe dog catcher of DC...

So I am somehow off base for discussing the topic of this thread?

How does that work?

Conservative movement got its ass handed to them in it.

#151 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-11-04 12:49 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
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earlier I got lectured about the gay marriage issue thing not being a mandate and here we have about the same percentage difference and it IS a mandate..

you leftists are gonna have to get together and decide what a fuckin mandate is.

"Tuesday, November 03, 2009
Republican congressional candidates hold on to a four-point lead over Democrats this week in the latest Generic Congressional Ballot.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that 42% would vote for their district's Republican congressional candidate while 38% would opt for his or her Democratic opponent.

Voters not affiliated with either party continue to heavily favor Republicans, 39% to 23%."

Gotta go, but I wanna take this chance to piss off Corkster ...and Manypathogens...just ONE more time. (Pay special attention to those "unaffiliateds.) And remember, Rasmussen is the MOST accurate.

Sarah Palin stands ready to stump for the Republican gubernatorial candidates running in the two most closely watched campaigns in the country this fall, but neither seems to want her help.

"No," is all Christie spokeswoman Maria Comella would say when asked if they had invited Palin.

Pressed as to why, Comella pointed to comments Christie had made earlier this summer about wanting to keep the race focused on New Jersey issues and especially the tenure of Gov. Jon Corzine.

The Republicans that refused to allow the Conservatives to take over their party did well last night.

The Conservatives themselves took a beating in NY.

And that is the way it happened.

Rasmussen is the MOST accurate.

#158 | Posted by jestgettinalong

Not as accurate as Election Results.

Scoreboard Bitch!!!

Yet, it is still dems who won majorities in congress last time and this time....

Hmmm, maybe actual VOTES count more better than ratsmelly polls, eh?

Why it's increasingly difficult to take Rasmussen polls seriously
July 07, 2009 12:49 pm ET by Eric Boehlert

The surveys seem to exist solely to advance GOP talking points. Meaning, Rasmussen at times appears to function less as a legitimate polling firm and more as the polling wing of the RNC. Today's new survey about Sarah Palin and the repercussions of her "No mas" moment is a perfectly example.

I have not problem with the actual results per se, which are that 40 percent of Republicans think her quitting the Alaska governorship will hurt her chances to run for the White House in 2012. The bizarre part is that the Rasmussen poll only asks Republican voters their opinion about Palin. Independents and Democrats are of no interest to the GOP-centric Rasmussen. (Just my hunch, but if those two voter groups had been included, I'm guessing the final results would have between 70-80 percent of voters think Palin's career move was a bad one.)

What kind of polling firm, while trying to take the country's temperature about politics, only questions Republicans?

"read the rest here:
mediamatters.org"

Why not link Huffington, KOS, Vanity fair.... Media Matters? BHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

Anyone pretending this was all about national issues and ideology must be crazy.

This was about piss poor election strategy.

Everyone but the retards in the Palin / teabagger camp knows you don't win an election in a moderate area by running a hard right indie.

"I think it's Gloria Borger in the audio sound bite roster saying that Republicans are driving independents out of their party.

It's just the opposite. Independents are flocking to these Republicans in these races! It's just the opposite of that they're gonna cast New York-23 as unimportant, of little consequence"

That's what you get when you listen to fat stupid people folks!

"Flocking To These Republicans" huh?

The reality is they ran away faster than you could say Oxycotin, mother fucker........

But their success in Tuesday's upstate New York special election, where grass-roots efforts pushed GOP nominee Dede Scozzafava to drop out of the race and helped Conservative Party nominee Doug Hoffman surge into the lead on the eve of Election Day, has generated more money and enthusiasm than organizers ever imagined.

Ha ha. Guess what teabaggers? You fucking lost. Not only did you lose, the GOP lost BECAUSE of you.

RUSH: Okay. Now, let's start again here on this so I don't have to interrupt myself on the importance of New York-23, because this is a turning point, and, in fact, there are stories throughout the State-Controlled Media today -- got one here, the LA Times:

"Conservatives Emboldened by Moves in New York Election." There are conservative candidates popping up all over the country who are going to challenge incumbent Republicans in House races. I've read about 10 or 12 of them are going to happen now. This New York-23 is big, it is a turning point, and it is precisely why the media and everybody is trying to portray it as nothing more than the Republicans falling apart, having big unity problems and so forth. I'll tell you what, the moderate Republican, the Rockefeller gang, they're just as worried about New York-23 as the Democrats are.

This is where conservative Americans are drawing the line. New York-23. This is where we are fighting, this is where we will take a stand against both the liberal wing of the Republican Party and Obama and the Democrat Party.

And should Hoffman win, as I think he will, his campaign is gonna give confidence and energy to scores of others across this country where momentum will grow right up to next year's election. So that's the truth of New York-23.

You fought. You lost. BIG TIME. THIS is where Conservatives are drawing the line. This is the TURNING POINT.

Well guess fucking what?

What kind of polling firm, while trying to take the country's temperature about politics, only questions Republicans?
#162 | POSTED BY WOKE AT 2009-11-04 01:00 PM

Poor cripsy couldn't answer the question so he attempted to smear the messenger instead.

Media matters . org posts ACTUAL transcripts of repug/neocon propaganda and then debunks them with FACTS....

Too bad theFACTS aren't jibing with your indoctrination by your rw blowhard chickenhawk talking heads, eh cripsy?

No worries for me. You keep watching ratsmelly polls and I'll keep watching national election results.....

"I'll keep watching national election results....."

#168 | Posted by woke at 2009-11-04 01:33 PM |

LOL!!!

Yeah....

How'd that work out for you last night champ?

Too Funny

.

How'd that work out for you last night champ?

The Democrat won. Maybe you missed it.

Oh and "Too Funny" is right.

Careful manypaths, 2008 is known to do an "investigation" on posters that debunk his bs, then post their personal info on public sites like this one. Another repug who doesn't respect privacy laws.

He did it to me at newshounds.us where he is DOS (deleted on sight) for that and for being a multiple screenname diversionary troll....

Is he always as stupid as he displayed above?

Well, at first I thought so. But after awhile, when his total m.o. was revealed: that he is paid to divert lib blog threads by posting bs using multiple screennames etc....I realized he probably doesn't believe the bs he posts.....

dupe or paid political prostitute

Here is a record of him admitting to using multiple names and that he is paid to post his bs on lib blogs....

2008 let me ask you a question how much do they pay you to be on here, really?Posted by: woke dude at February 25, 2006 10:48 PM

Woke Dude,I make a good living being on this website. Let's just leave it at that.
Posted by: George McCallister at February 25, 2006 10:50 PM

are you 2008 also?just between us?
Posted by: woke dude at March 17, 2006 09:19 PM

Actually they are my roommates.
Posted by: Ranger Bob at March 17, 2006 09:35 PM

How do you like my new handle? I was getting bored with Ranger Bob.
Posted by: Chuck at April 29, 2006 12:37 PM

2500 would be chump change if Saddam obtained WMD's and used them on either Israel or the U.S.Another lesson from Ranger Bob.
Posted by: Donny Brasco at May 28, 2006 05:42 PM

Sorry my roommate was using my handle and I forgot to change my nick.Haha! LOL.
Posted by: Ranger Bob at May 28, 2006 05:44 PM

go back to being a retired asswipe.Another lesson from Ranger Bob. LOL!
Posted by: Franky T at June 2, 2006 11:26 PM

Oh, yeah, he also thinks 2500 dead war vets are just "CHUMP CHANGE"

Here is a record of him admitting to using multiple names and that he is paid to post his bs on lib blogs....

and oh, yeah, if you got nuthin new to say, stfu...eh?

#62 | Posted by woke at 2009-11-03 04:00 PM |

and another who has to resort to pornography to insult millions..too bad,.
babbler

coming from a guy who regularly talks about how supposedly big his pecker is, or the supposed reaction from some slut when she saw it, or what he supposedly is going to do to said slut when he gets her to his home. blah blah blah.

STFU babbler.

The Democrat won. Maybe you missed it.

#170 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-11-04 01:46 PM |

Oh no I certainly saw the results sport

Do Tell....Do you not think that the results in VA & NJ have large 'National' implications? Or are you a feeble minded simpleton like woke who never sees the larger picture.....

.

"Newt Gingrich is treasonous garbage RINO scom."

Wow. Guess the GOP is totally screwed if that's true.

The turning point was NY 23.

Where the Conservatives lost a previously unattainable seat for the Dems.

That is where the Cons were fighting. In NJ and VA, the Conservatives were turned away by the Republicans that won.

Yes, the Republican party won some State seats last night, but where the Conservatives were fighting, where they called the turning point, the only Congressional election, they lost and lost badly.

Big Picture?

The Democrats gained yet another seat in Congress.

Don't forget to include that in your Big Picture.

#180 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-11-04 02:46 PM | Reply |
--------------------

You're spinning champ....

WASHINGTON - The White House distanced itself Wednesday from Democratic losses in two states, saying the races for governor hinged on local issues and were not a referendum on President Barack Obama.

The Republican victories Tuesday in Virginia and New Jersey energized the opposition and are a setback for Obama as he struggles to overhaul the U.S. health care system, win passage of climate change legislation, and build political support for his handling of the war in Afghanistan.

Good advice. Take it, eh, woke. LOL

#175 | Posted by goatman at 2009-11-04 02:21 PM

It is good advice.....Too bad the insane lying fool will never heed it....

And woke wonders why nobody can stand him

.

Well, woke?

Waiting.

I have some errands to run. Hopefully you'll have answers by the time I get back, eh? LOL

Yes, the Republican party won some State seats last night, but where the Conservatives were fighting, where they called the turning point, the only Congressional election, they lost and lost badly.

#179 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-11-04 02:44 PM

JOC... Had Hoffman dropped out and she stayed in the race and won, what tune would you and others be playing? Of course she won, it is a red district. Of course the voters listened to Rush, Hannity and Beck advice to vote for her... The repubs were dammed if they won and dammed if they didn't.

The White House distanced itself Wednesday from Democratic losses in two states, saying the races for governor hinged on local issues and were not a referendum on President Barack Obama.

Yep, pretty much what I have been saying.

Governors don't have anything to do with the HC debate in Congress. House members on the other hand do.

NY23 was the fight that the Conservatives pinned their hopes on. It was BIG to them. It was the Turning Point to them.

Well, they ended up giving the seat to a Dem for the first time in over 100 years. They got their Conservative asses handed to them in the battle THEY called their Turning Point.

But where the Republicans asked these far rightwing neocons to butt out and stay at home, and focused on local issues they did very well. For a party fighting for an identity, last night proved one thing, the conservatives damage the party and aren't welcome to a majority of Republicans. Not only do Democrats shun these Rush Limbaugh Conservatives, now the Republicans are doing it as well. What happened in NY last night can be called the Conservative Death Cry.

If you are asking whether I think the Republican would have won if the neocons had stayed out of it, then yes, I do think the GOP candidate would have won and won easily.

But the Conservatives got involved and they were rejected soundly.

And that's my point. Republicans are alive and well, but these Beck Conservatives and Sarah Palin toe suckers eat their own and last night proved it. If you don't see the damage these extremists do to the GOP then you need you eyes checked.

Again, the Republicans did well last night.

The Conservatives got their asses kicked.

That is unmitigated crap. How many House seats are held by COnservative party, Green party, American Communist Party?

NONE.

NONE.

No amount of star power (if you believe Sarah has Star Power, which I do not) is going to push a candidate not from one of the two major parties into the House.

When push comes to shove in the voting booth, people don't know how to react to a "C" next to the name when they long expect to see only "R" or "D". Particularly long time members of both parties. They just can't overcome that reluctance to vote for a 3rd party.

Period.

If the republican had actually stayed in the race, she could very well have won it.

Not saying that is a bad thing, or she is a model "republican" whatever that means.

But crowing about a Democrat beating a 3rd party Candidate is like crowing about Ohio State beating a High School team in an exhibition game.

Hoffman's defeat marks yet another gut-wrenching loss for House Republicans,

Could be seen as a victory, if the GOPpers have the balls to dump the bat-shit rightwingers who claim to speak for the Party. MCConnell twice refused to have SARAH!! campaign for him and won, Hoffman was the whackjob's carpetbagging meatpuppet and lost a solidly Republican seat.

Still waiting for a Republican to explain how a person can remain in the Party when actively working against the Party in an election.

And it is important to note Northguy, Hoffman is also not a Republican. I am not sure how you make the leap between a Democrat defeating a 3rd party candidate equates to beating the Republican candidate.....who dropped out of the race....

Ohio State beating a High School team in an exhibition game.

Kind of. If Ohio St hadn't won a game there in over 10 years.

This isn't the first time a Conservative was on the ballot in this district. It is the first time one was defeated by a Dem.

But that isn't the point. The Conservative Movement called this the Big Race. The Turning Point. This was the race that they were fighting. No other.

Well, they fought and lost.

And today was supposed to be the day were the Dems would say that the NY23 race didn't matter.

Well, look at YOU now.

Hey I am not a republican, or a Democrat. And I hate New York with every fiber of my being so I have no dog in the fight.

I just find it amusing that you are giddy over a Deomcrat defeating a candidate from a party that has never won ANY race ANYWHERE.

How many times did the Conservative party candidate on the ballot get more votes than the Democrat? I am going to get all mavericky here and guess.... NEVER. if a conservative party candidate recieved more votes than the democratic candidate you would have had one in office by now.

This was a non issue. Call me when the conservative party wins a city council seat somewhere and maybe we can start the long climb to giving them a snowballs chance in Egypt of winning a house seat.

MCConnell twice refused to have SARAH!! campaign for him and won, Hoffman was the whackjob's carpetbagging meatpuppet and lost a solidly Republican seat.

And that is the point. Conservatives have proven to harm Republicans and when Republicans are harmed, Democrats win.

Thanks again Sarah!

I would hardly call Sarah the bellweather of Conservatives.

You may WANT her to be, but I have yet to see any proof that she is.

In fact her resounding bitch slap in the presidential election last november sorta proved that she ISN'T.

And again. Why does it matter that Hoffman "lost a solidly Republican seat."

HE ISN'T A REPUBLICAN!

Spin it all you like, but the fact of the matter is, the Democrat beat a 4 year old kid, stole his lollipop and is now on TV bragging about it.

How many times did the Conservative party candidate on the ballot get more votes than the Democrat? I am going to get all mavericky here and guess.... NEVER. if a conservative party candidate recieved more votes than the democratic candidate you would have had one in office by now.

#192 | Posted by ABH

US House election, 2000: New York District 23

Republican Sherwood Boehlert 124,132 60.5 -20.3
Conservative David Vickers 42,854 20.9 +1.7
Democratic Richard W. Englebrecht 38,049 18.6 +18.6

Don't go away mad, just go away wrong.

And worst of all you are cheering them on.

"This New York-23 is big, it is a turning point, and it is precisely why the media and everybody is trying to portray it as nothing more than the Republicans falling apart, having big unity problems and so forth. I'll tell you what, the moderate Republican, the Rockefeller gang, they're just as worried about New York-23 as the Democrats are."

Can you guess who said that?

Man, this is like swatting flies......who is going to be next?

Hey I can admit when I am wrong. I know as little as I can about New York. Doesn't change the discussion.

And I don;t care who said that quote. You have yet to let anything clear that blind partisanship out of your eyesight.

A Conservative Party candidate losing to a Democrat Party candidate and NO REPUBLICAN candidate as they dropped out of the race, is not soemthign to get all excited about and say that you stole a seat from the republicans for the 1st time in 100 years.

They HAD NO REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE IN THE RACE.

I hope those blinders let you see enough to weave through traffic.

The Oorahs and other diehards here make it clear that they'd rather go down to ignominious defeat with their rightie flags flying high than join the 21st century with a moderate who just might win. The Republican candidate was hardly a pinko commie soshalist extremist, but True Blue mossbacks would rather toss her under the truck than compromise. No wonder the Party of No has become an anachronism. herm

#31 | Posted by herm at 2009-11-04 08:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

Yeah thanks for the warm kum-ba-yah, Woody Guthrie. Hey man, people like Oorah keep to their principles, not just sitting in the peanut gallery hooting insults and offering nothing positive.

I'm talking shit about the Conservatives and how they screwed the Republicans.

I am not confusing the 2.

The Conservatives thought this was going to be their turning point. This was their race.

They lost.

The Republicans that kept their distance from these wackjobs did well.

And it looks like Conservatives are going to screw the Republicans in a dozen more races next fall.

If I was a Republican, I would be worried about the Conservatives screwing them out of more seats.

How many times did the Conservative party candidate on the ballot get more votes than the Democrat? I am going to get all mavericky here and guess.... NEVER. if a conservative party candidate recieved more votes than the democratic candidate you would have had one in office by now.

#192 | Posted by ABH

So Mavericky must mean you stick your head up your ass and fart in english?

If I were a republican I couldn't possibly care less what the Conservative Party did.

"conservatives" didn't lose this election. The Conservative Party did.

If you think every conservative jumps on the bandwagon of a 3rd party becuase the name is swell, I think you have been huffing gold paint.

This doesn;t boil down to "conservatives" it boils down to an innocuous school nerd getting beaten by the yard bully.

Oh yeah nice job manypaths. I give you 30 seconds to know the election result totals of every 3rd party candidate at every level in Virginia where I live.

Good luck with that.

At least I can man up and admit when I am wrong. Those blinders must be awefully big to keep you so laser focused on celebrating such a minor victory, and extrapolating things that aren't there.

have fun. I hope the champagne stays cold.

Be happy. Your party won a seat. COngratulations! But don't try to make it mroe than it is. A democrat beat a 3rd party candidate.

Wow. way to go.

RUSH: Okay. Now, let's start again here on this so I don't have to interrupt myself on the importance of New York-23, because this is a turning point

This is where conservative Americans are drawing the line. New York-23. This is where we are fighting, this is where we will take a stand against both the liberal wing of the Republican Party and Obama and the Democrat Party.

Just following up on the big deal the Conservatives made over this. They drew the line.

The Oorahs and other diehards here make it clear that they'd rather go down to ignominious defeat with their rightie flags flying high than join the 21st century with a moderate who just might win.

Herm, oorah has more integrity in his little toe than hou have in your whole body. I recommend you go with someone else to spew your partisan BS at.

Do you not think that the results in VA & NJ have large 'National' implications? Or are you a feeble minded simpleton like woke who never sees the larger picture.....
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#177 | POSTED BY 2008ATL AT 2009-11-04 02:35 PM

See the little . dot? This guy thinks he's clever. LOL

national implications eh?

Funny, I didn't know governors voted in congress.

Furthermore, I didn't know Va and NJ NEVER had any repug governor's before. And to boot, neither corzine or the other dem in Va were big Obama supporters, just some Jonny come latelys who tried to cash in on his popularity too late. That's why they lost, eh?

LMFAO

This is where conservative Americans are drawing the line. New York-23.

I hope they keep drawing the line until they turn it into a circle. A very small one.

What is interesting is this Dem is more conservative than the Blue Dogs, and we all know how they voted.

Man, this is like swatting flies......who is going to be next?

#198 | POSTED BY MANYPATHS AT 2009-11-04 03:29 PM

As you probably already know, these rw shills cannot learn anything that conflicts with their indoctrination. It's not possible. Even when someone presents facts right in their faces, with links to credible references, they don't have the ability to see beyond the failed ideology they so fervently believe in......

It's kinda sad for America, but at least most have woke up, except for the pathetic, die hard extremist 20%rs that are still left in the repug.....er teabag party.

Oh yes. Woke. That bastion of open mindedness and tolerance?

Whats that you say? He refers to all COnservatives and republicans as right wing shills and indoctrinated?

The horror! How could an espoused liberal be SO intolerant of those that don;t fall into lockstep with his line of thinking....

Wait. Isn't that the very defintion of indoctrinated?

**shakes head in disbelief at woke's complete fanatical adherence to a party at the expense of rational thought***

What I still have yet to hear, is how ANYONE makes this race out as a condemnation of republican victory possibilities in 2010.

The Democrat challenger didn't even face a Republican. They beat a 3rd party candidate.

Unbelievable.

And I am glad Manypaths listens to Rush. I don't. I find him an over the top simpleton catering to the uneduated masses..and getting rich in the process. I mean good for him...but not my cup of tea. Apparently Manypaths hangs on every word.

I am an independent and not swayed by party affiliation. I vote for the candidate who I believe will vote for MY ideals and needs.

national implications eh?

#208 | Posted by woke at 2009-11-04 03:55 PM | Reply
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Yeah 'National implications' Dumbass.....

Nervous W.H. intervened in N.J. race; top Obama adviser now in charge

One of President Barack Obama's key political advisers has become the central strategist in New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine's bruising campaign for re-election, a race the White House desperately wants to win to avert the consequences for its own agenda of a Republican winning in a traditionally Democratic state.

The White House was so concerned about Corzine's chances during the summer that Corzine's aides feared the first-term governor was being pressured to step aside for a stronger candidate. Those fears turned out to be groundless, but were part of the reason Corzine hired Joel Benenson, who has helped impose discipline on a struggling campaign and crystallize Corzine's aggressive attacks on the character of his Republican opponent, former U.S. Attorney Chris Christie.

The race is seen as extremely close, complicated by the presence of a third candidate, Chris Daggett. For the White House, it's a crucial symbolic prize. With Democrat Creigh Deeds running far behind his Republican rival in Virginia, the New Jersey race once believed to be hopeless for Corzine is now seen as the White House's best bet to make the 2009 election cycle a political wash and to calm the nerves of congressional Democrats approaching the crucial 2010 midterm elections.

Both Obama and Vice President Joseph Biden have campaigned for Corzine in the state, and Obama has cut television and radio ads for the governor. This Sunday, on the final weekend of the campaign, the president is returning to New Jersey for two events to try to pull Corzine over the finish line.

2008, I don't know if you have been there, but your 'buddy' woke got his ass kicked the worst he has since he's been on this blog. 101 nailed him in some big time lies.

You'll have to back a few posts from the bottom to get it all. It's hilarious.

Hey, it put the "C" on the ballot. With or without Palin, this election gave Conservatives big-time press coverage. Yes, the loss is hard to compute, but it's a "special election" (Dems could have gotten the seat a lot faster, perhaps longer, with the shady moves they pulled in Mass. post-Ted Kennedy {voting for a special election - before voting against it}).

The seat will be up for grabs again in 2010. This is not a regional liberal movement across the north-east.
NY...er the whole of New England is BLUE, does this win make it any different?

And, the conservatives are just getting started; this race put us on the map. A win would have energized us, but the lead-up to the race was different. (Well, it was for me because I'm used to the two-party system)

It's great to see libs promote the purge of conservatism within the GOP. They want the GOP to remain entrenched in Big Government, Big Spending, and Big Corporations hoping to get more Spectors and RINOs to succumb to their ideology. How's Ned Lamont doing these days?

"This is not a regional liberal movement across the north-east. NY...er the whole of New England is BLUE, does this win make it any different?"

When today's GOP definition of a 'true conservative' can't get elected in a fire engine red district you may need to rethink things.

"It's great to see libs promote the purge of conservatism within the GOP"

GOP total rule blew their claims of being 'conservatives' out the window and down the sewer.

There have been C's on the ballot before.

The last time a C was on the ballot, they did better than the Democrat.

But in this self-proclaimed "Turning Point" for the Conservative movement, they failed and looked stupid doing so.

Obama won the 23rd district last November by a 52-47 margin. Fire-Engine Red!? - more like a purple.

Then again, we all have been inundated with the CHANGE. Sans Virginia, Maine, and NJ.

The last time a C was on the ballot, they did better than the Democrat.

This time the C did better than the Republican, who wasn't even one to begin with. But regardless, I bet you'd love to eat her liver with some Scozzafava beans and a nice Chianti.

"Obama won the 23rd district last November by a 52-47 margin. Fire-Engine Red!? - more like a purple..."

One would think that little fact would shut those up claiming it is a conservative district. Nice post.

#221 | Posted by crispee_oc

THX Crispee. Before the election, I really thought Hoff had a chance. But it all happened so fast, I think this was Obama's intention by putting in an New York "R" for Sec. of Army. After the fact - the power vacuum, unfortunately, has gone from suck to blow.

I too am from OC. I see parts of the county slowly turning purple. With that said, I think a CON could do some damage out here.

I too am from OC. I see parts of the county slowly turning purple. With that said, I think a CON could do some damage out here.

#222 | Posted by phys_ill at 2009-11-04 06:56 PM

It does appear OC may be losing it's status as one of the most conservative counties in the nation.

2008, I don't know if you have been there, but your 'buddy' woke got his ass kicked the worst he has since he's been on this blog. 101 nailed him in some big time lies.

#214 | Posted by goatman at 2009-11-04 05:23 PM |
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Oh man, reading that was fantastic, I laughed my ass off. That is classic woke too, he starts lying so badly he can't even begin to keep up.

If the boy any sense he'd run right back to where he came from. Hell, when he gets his sorry lying ass handed to him that badly I almost feel sorry for him.
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"If the boy any sense he'd run right back to where he came from. Hell, when he gets his sorry lying ass handed to him that badly I almost feel sorry for him."

That fool doesn't have a shameful bone in his body. He is ignorant to the fact he looks like an idiot here and couldn't care less. Much like the guy who misses 10 straight three pointers and can't understand why his team won't allow an 11th attempt. Clueless to his actions.

That fool doesn't have a shameful bone in his body.
#225 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2009-11-04 07:17 PM

He really does not. I have been reading his lying delusional rantings and endless loony tune conspiracy theories since 2004.

He's like that crazed old in law from hell nobody can stand that visits during the holidays and you simply can't get rid of.

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He refers to all COnservatives and republicans as right wing shills and indoctrinated?
I am an independent and not swayed by party affiliation. I vote for the candidate who I believe will vote for MY ideals and needs.

#212 | POSTED BY ABH AT 2009-11-04 05:12 PM

No i don't, i refer to all NEOCONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS as tools of the war/oil/pharma lobby......

Are ALL repugs/conservatives NEOCONS? If not, why did they let these FAILURES take over their party for the last 40 years?

You're an indy who votes for your OWN needs, eh?

Who did you vote for in 00,04 and 08?

Be honest if that's possible to still do so and remain "true" to your "needs".

Not only is Woke batshit crazy, it now has turned toward channeling Moneywar in its composition.

From Politico:

Election result: Red-state Dems worried, rethink agenda

Jonathan Allen, Manu Raju Jonathan Allen, Manu Raju

Thu Nov 5, 4:56 am ET

Election Day losses in Virginia and New Jersey have congressional Democrats focused like never before on jobs their own.

While the White House and party leaders are urging calm, Democratic incumbents from red states and Republican-leaning districts are anything but; Tuesday's statehouse defeats have left them acutely aware that their votes on health care reform and other major Obama initiatives could be career-enders in 2010 or beyond.

"I should be nervous," said Rep. Parker Griffith, a freshman Democrat from Huntsville, Ala.

Griffith said the Democratic rank and file is "very, very sensitive" to the fact that issues being pushed by party leaders "have the potential to cost some of our front-line members their seats."

House Democrats, forced to take a tough vote on a controversial cap-and-trade climate change bill in June, may have to vote as earlier as this weekend on the even more controversial health care bill. Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her leadership team have struggled to get moderates on board for that vote, and Tuesday's results won't make the task any easier.

Like I said National Implications

EH Wokey?
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WAKE UP MANYPATHS.

Scoreboard Bitch!!!

#161 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-11

yeah lets look at that 'game'

the ones that barry 'played' they lost.

in this race he was nowhere to be seen or heard and they won...
but IM sure you will say that didnt make any difference.....

and another who has to resort to pornography to insult millions..too bad,.
babbler

coming from a guy who regularly talks about how supposedly big his pecker is, or the supposed reaction from some slut when she saw it, or what he supposedly is going to do to said slut when he gets her to his home. blah blah blah.

STFU babbler.

#176 | Posted by cjk85 at 2009-11

AH but you see..Im not on tv passing myself off as an expert
or not a host of a national program even though he is just another closet queen brought up in one of the richest homes in the world..(AC)

its my job to point out to the pointy heads where they are hypocritical, damaging to america, and flat out wrong.
and THIS is the best place around for that...lol

its important to look at this guy...
not physicaly features

he had to WORK to keep his mom in thier house and food when his old man abandoned them and worked his way through school

NO GOVT BAILOUTS

and he then served the country in the military at fort drum..right there in the area.

so you punks can 'dis' him all you want but its a story that scares the shit out of you and you know it.

a nothing candidate nobody knows gets 47% of the vote........

and another who has to resort to pornography to insult millions..too bad,.
babbler

Said the guy whose original handle, BUSH LOVER implied anal sex fantasies with a sitting President.

That's one sick mindset you got there Bush Lover. Or is it George Fucker?

OOHRAH says: Beck's style isn't my style. Nor is Rush's. But in both cases, they reflect the political views of many people. It's hard to separate the message from the messenger, I realize, but that doesn't necessarily negate the message.

right, they may have more "style" but your substance is what matters and you just claimed it. good luck with that... if NY 23 is any clue to you... well, it should be.

"Republicans hadn't lost in the region in more than a century. Owens defeated Hoffman despite a 45,000-voter registration edge for Republicans and big-name endorsements for Hoffman from former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, former Republican Sen. Fred Thompson and others."

Geee, I guess if MSNBC, Piglosi, The Messiah and all of the other Obamatobits say that the Republicans haven't lost in NY-23 in over a Century, it has to be true!

Guess I have to go back to school since with this new math, a Century couldn't POSSIBLY be 100 years any more...
Since the last Democrat to hold a seat in NY-23 was only SIXTEEN YEARS AGO.
In fact, in the last 109 years since the beginning of the 20th Century the Democrats have held the NY-23 seat for SEVENTY-FIVE of those years and Republicans have held it for only 34 years.

In fact, since NY-23 became a single seat district in 1843, the Democrats have held that seat for 89 years, while Republicans have held for only 68 years (don't forget that the Republican Party didn't even EXIST for the first 17 of those years). The rest of the time it was held by a Whig, and Independent, a Unionist and an Opposition party member.

One Obamarobot ACTUALLY said that Republicans have held NY-23 since 1843, which is a great trick since the Republican Party wasn't formed until the late 1850's right here in my county.

Hardly what I would call a Rock Ribbed Republican District!

In my Congressional District I can go back at least 54 years without finding a single Dem since the last three served 50 yrs and my current one is in his second term already.

That is what you call a Rock Rib Republican district...