Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Monday, November 02, 2009

Epic new spending and taxes, pricier insurance, rationed care, dishonest accounting: The Pelosi health bill has it all.

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But But Nancy and Harry and Obama all said our taxes would not go up, so how do you spend over 1 Trillion and not raise taxes...

I am sure there must be some mistake Democrats lie never...

In a rational political world, this 1,990-page runaway train would have been derailed months ago.

BTW that works out to around 2 million a word...

Just Saying...

"...how do you spend over 1 Trillion and not raise taxes..." = Ataxpayer

Uh, that's a 10 year figure. Do Republicans never read?

Uh, that's a 10 year figure. Do Republicans never read?

#3 | Posted by Timex at 2009-11-02 02:50 PM

Do DEMOCRATS in congess ever read a damn thing they vote on HELL NO...

Pretty much the same thing Murdoch's other mouth is saying on Foxnews. Boy, you guys are easy.

How do you guys define propaganda?

Strawman flag

And besides, I suppose you have PERSONAL knowledge? Ya, sure. Buh bye

#7 to #4

Propaganda is neutrally defined as a systematic form of purposeful persuasion that attempts to influence the emotions, attitudes, opinions, and actions of specified target audiences for ideological, political or commercial purposes through the controlled transmission of one-sided messages (which may or may not be factual) via mass and direct media channels."

It is what it is. You are the ones falling for it.

I know you disagree. You have fallen for it.

WSJ is owned by Rupert Murdoch. It's a wholly owned subsidiary of Newscorp. Of course FOX won't like it. It's all the same company.

Propaganda is neutrally defined as a systematic form of purposeful persuasion that attempts to influence the emotions, attitudes, opinions, and actions of specified target audiences for ideological, political or commercial purposes through the controlled transmission of one-sided messages (which may or may not be factual) via mass and direct media channels."

I guess that pretty much defines the 455 menus I just mailed out too.

Pretty much the same thing Murdoch's other mouth is saying on Foxnews. Boy, you guys are easy.

#5 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-11-02 02:56 PM

Too bad the typical Dumbass Liberal will beleive anything Nancy or Obama tells them through the State run media ABC CBS NBC MSNBC PBS...

ALL are "WHITE HOUSE APPROVED" because they only give you what has been approved by the White House as true...

Boy are you guys stupid...

Right Lee. A one-sided message promoted in the mass media by the same guy.

It is amazing how many people fall for that propaganda.

Uh, that's a 10 year figure. Do Republicans never read?

Care to address the fantasy of Medicare costs vs. the reality?

Rught Tax, EVERYONE else is all colluding somehow across multiple owners to fol everyone but you.

Meanwhile, the one guy that runs FoxNews and the WSJ would NEVER try to manipulate people through his extensive network of media sources.

That's right, Murdoch is a wholesome soul who just wants to tell you the truth while every other news source in the country is somehow managing to get together every minute of the day and manipulate the news the best way that all of their seperate owners are able.

Again, I get it. You have fallen for it.......

Hook.......

Line.......

Sinker.........

This defines propagnada to a 'T'. And you are it.

Pretty much the same thing Murdoch's other mouth is saying on Foxnews. Boy, you guys are easy.

#5 | Posted by Manypaths

I asked the other day three times...

Which Major network reported on Van Jones or Acorn before Van Jones resigned...

Still waiting for a response...

You don't answer questions.

I don't care about ACORN. They don't affect my life one bit.

What has ACORN done to you to make you give a rat's ass about them?

Oh that's right, we are back to that propaganda thing. The thing that makes you think what you think. It's called Propaganda dude. And it's all over your face.

WSJ is propaganda for those who don't watch TV.

Want to see some BIG NUMBERS???

www.costofwar.com

#17 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-11-02 03:10 PM

I have asked manypaths 5 times now and the best he can do is Deflect...

Typical Liberal...

Tells us MSN boy why did Van Jones resign if he did nothing wrong, and why will you never see this on a "White House Network"...

Want to see some BIG NUMBERS???

www.costofwar.com

I'm glad to see those peacenicks in Takoma Park are paying for the war.

Total Cost of Wars Since 2001

Great Deflection Danni would you care to tell us...

Which Major network reported on Van Jones or Acorn before Van Jones resigned...

Fox News. If you don't get it you don't get it.

Again, YOU don't answer questions.

I don't care about ACORN.

Why you do is obvious. Someone else told you to. It's called falling for propaganda and you are neck deep in it.

I have asked manypaths 5 times now and the best he can do is Deflect...

And you have to resort to lying.

Does lying make you feel better about falling for propaganda?

Again, YOU don't answer questions.

#24 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-11-02 03:21 PM

I will answer whatever political question you like, right after you admit FOX NEWS was the only network to cover Van Jones or ACORN...

Does lying make you feel better about falling for propaganda?

#25 | Posted by Manypaths

Manypaths never DEFLECTS...

Yes somehow I do feel better Thanks...

Why would I know what FoxNews covered?

I asked the other day three times...

I have asked manypaths 5 times now

Dude, you lie. Sorry, but it's right there. Make me a liar and provide 5 liks where you asked Manypaths what he thought of 2 things he doesn't care about.

Liar.

Pretty much the same thing Murdoch's other mouth is saying on Foxnews. Boy, you guys are easy.

#5 | Posted by Manypaths

Why would I know what FoxNews covered?

#28 | Posted by Manypaths

Well which is it? How can you say what Fox News is saying if you don't know what Fox News is saying?

Why would I know what FoxNews covered?

#28 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-11-02 03:27 PM

Well at least you admit to being unbalenced and not informed...

Keep drinking the koolaid and watching "White House Approved Networks"

That's all for today boys and girls...

To bad manypaths could not come up with a QUESTION...

To bad manypaths could not come up with a QUESTION...

#31 | Posted by ATaxpayer

They are the sentences that end with a "?".

So, you couldn't come up with a good reason to let something called ACORN upset you other than someone else told you huh?

That's what I figured.

Well which is it? How can you say what Fox News is saying if you don't know what Fox News is saying?

#30 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2009-11-02 03:31 PM

Damn I wish I could hang around for the DEFLECTION...

Good luck getting an answer from him...

Still not a single answer out of you Tax. Do the answers really scare you that much?

You could fix that you know.

So, why do you guys hate ACORN? Really? I have no idea what they do or what they have done to be the constant talking point when defending Foxnews.

What do they do?

What did they do that I am suppossed to be up in arms about?

I'm all ears.

What did they do that I am suppossed to be up in arms about?

I'm all ears.

#35 | Posted by Manypaths

I suppose the worst thing was the voter fraud.

Oh, I see, they are Community Organizers.

Obama was a Community Organizer.

Got it now.

So, you couldn't come up with a good reason to let something called ACORN upset you other than someone else told you huh?

That's what I figured.

#32 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-11-02 03:33 PM

YOU figured wrong again manypaths...

ACORN receives TAXPAYER MONEY, recently Congress voted to repeal the money maybe you heard something about this...

Oh no you would not know a damn thing because you only watch "White House Approved" news like a good citizen...

And what did that involve Toy? I see they caught that themselves. Is that correct?

Many of these registration forms were flagged by ACORN's internal auditors for election official review, with approximately 400,000 being ultimately rejected as incomplete, duplicated or fraudulent. 450,000 of the registrations represented first-time voters, while the remainder were classified as address change forms.

So, that's what upsets you? That they caught their own errors?

ACORN shouldn't be getting taxpayer funding if they are involved in partisan political campaigning. Getting out the vote is OK but getting out the democratic vote is another matter entirely.

I did hear about Congress voting on that. Did thta vote piss you off? I didn't care then, don't care now.

Why do you care so much?

But I thought they cut off funding. Why does it still bother you?

Now here is one thing I can agree needs aborting?

Woke?

Anyone?

I thought as much.

2008, Nevada state authorities raided ACORN's Las Vegas headquarters as part of a task force investigation of election fraud

All you have to do is Google "ACORN Fraud" and you will be supplied with enough reading to last the evening.

Oh no you would not know a damn thing because you only watch "White House Approved" news like a good citizen...

#38 | Posted by ATaxpayer

That is EXACTLY what someone who falls for propaganda says.

"What I hear from one source is the truth. It's the rest of the world that is being fooled."

Exactly what they say........

WHAT!?

The Opinion Page at the Wall Street Shiller pans a Dem health care Bill?

Talk about News!!

But I don't care. You do. What has ACORN done that has affected your life so badly that it affects the way you think?

It's simple. You should have no problem explaining what they have done to you.

Go....

Exactly what they say........

#46 | Posted by Manypaths

OK you win. Your news is truth and our news is propaganda.

Now go away and let us have an intelligent conversation.

Ok, ANYONE.

How has ACORN affected your life in a negative way? Would love to hear all the sob stories that make you sheep care so much about an organization you had never heard of until a year ago.

Let's hear them or admit that you let someone get you all fired up over. Admit you don't care. Admit ACORN has no affect on your life. Admit you are being lead around by the nose for political gain.

Just admit it.

ACORNS have affected my life in a positive way...

It's entertaining watching squirrels raise their young generation after generation.

(The OTHER ACORN is just a right wing idiotic talking point)

I really don't know. How much Federal Funding did ACORN get? How much are we really talking about here?

How has ACORN affected your life in a negative way?

Aside from the fact that ACORN and hundreds of similar organizations receive grants for malleable social purposes that I don't agree with in the first place, your question is irrelevant.

Just because government wastes money in ways that don't ruin my life does not mean I am not allowed to object to their use of that money.

We give billions to NASA every year. I don't agree with that, even though it hasn't hurt me. Spaceships haven't landed on my house. I still don't like it, and I have a right to say so.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi introduced the House version of health care reform legislation last week, but most voters are still opposed to the effort.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 42% now favor the health care plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats.

(The OTHER ACORN is just a right wing idiotic talking point)

Yeah, those damn rightwingers getting concerned when a tax-exempt organization, that is/was also receiving federal funding, is engaging in criminal behavior. What a bunch of hacks!

Let me guess, we should just ignore their malfeasances, right?

According to a Congressional report, the group has received $53 million in federal funds since 1994

53 million in 15 years? Really?!?!?!?! That upsets you?

Holy Fucking Shit man...........

You fuckers crying about ACORN are fucking stupid.

End of discussion. I learned more about them in the last 5 minutes than you ever knew.

Fucking cry babies.

53 million in 15 years? Really?!?!?!?! That upsets you?

Yes.

Following release of the House health care plan by Speaker Nancy Pelosi, 42% of voters now support the Congressional effort while 54% are opposed.

You fuckers crying about ACORN are fucking stupid.

MP, 99% of the malfeasance that occurs in this country doesn't affect me directly. That doesn't mean I want to see it continue.

Yeah, but you are a cheap bastard.

3.5 million per year. WOW, where is the fucking outrage? Someone go tell Glen Beck about this horrible waste!!!!! Hurry!!!!

If ACORN is all you got, you got nothing. You're crying over nothing.

Nobody has given me one single reason to care about ACORN. Care to give it a shot Goat? Everyone else has failed.

ACORN is one of the biggest issues mentioned by FoxNews sheep. Yet not one of them can explaine why it matters. NOT ONE.

MANYPATHS, I think the guy you're arguing with left 20 minutes ago.

I guess you love Van Jones too, bitch.

Yeah, I know he left. With his tail between his legs because he couldn't answer a question without proving my point.

Who is Von Jones?

NOT ONE.

Manypantspisser, did you miss #54? Your question is a stupid one.

I see a Van Jones. Is that who you mean?

Never heard of him. What did he do that you didn't like?


Who is Von Jones?

#67 | Posted by Manypaths

Isn't that what Charlie Gibson at CBS said?

Nobody complains about NASA Joe. Just Acorn.

I am just asking for a reason why, and I havn't got it yet.

Maybe you could help these kids out.

Why should I care about ACORN or give any credibility to those who do?

Anthony "Van" Jones

Is that who you mean? Are you misspelling it for a reason that I am not aware?

NOT ONE.

Nobody complains about NASA Joe.

I do.

I am just asking for a reason why.

I already gave it to you. Some people don't like seeing their money go to waste. The fact that they might be selective about it doesn't mean that the end result of their efforts isn't a good one.

Sorry Joe, ain't buying it. You cannot justify the faux outrage displayed by the Glen Beck crowd.

If you try again, you'll fail again. The only reason you hear these sheep say ACORN is because someone else told them to.

And the only reason you don't jump on the bandwagon is because ACORN is affiliated with Democrats. You're no better than anyone else, you douchebag.

I don't care about ACORN. I have made that clear. Don't care if they live or die.

Why do you, hack?

"All you have to do is Google "ACORN Fraud" and you will be supplied with enough reading to last the evening.

#45 | Posted by mysterytoy"

All you have to do is google "Bush Cheney lied Iraq" and you will be supplied with enough reading to last the evening.

So what.

$53M? How long does it take us to spendf $53M in Iraq?

Hey Monte, do you know why these FoxNews sheep care so much about something called ACORN?

Have any of them ever given you a good reason to talk about ACORN for 8 months like it was some kind of a big deal?

The more I read about ACORN, the more I understand that most other news outlets didn't consider it news.

It isn't. At all.

And NOT ONE person can explain to me why it should be news.

NOT ONE.

Some people don't like seeing their money go to waste.

#75 | Posted by JOE

That's why intelligent people don't send money to the "Libertarian" party.

"Hey Monte, do you know why these FoxNews sheep care so much about something called ACORN?

#81 | Posted by Manypaths"

They needed a talking point in order to go after Obama, whcih they were going to do no matter what, and no matter how trivial the talking point had to be. They knew it would work, because they know how ignorant the audience is. br />

That's why intelligent people don't send money to the "Libertarian" party.

I don't give them money either. I just vote for them.

But go ahead and claim you are a "liberal," then vote for anti-gay, pro-war, pro-Gitmobama. Stupid fuck.

"But go ahead and claim you are a "liberal," then vote for anti-gay, pro-war, pro-Gitmobama. Stupid fuck."

I never claimed to be a "liberal" dumbass. I'm a leftist. You, on the other hand, are a useless "libertarian", the party that couldn't win a race for dog-catcher unopposed.

$53M? How long does it take us to spendf $53M in Iraq?

A few seconds. We shouldn't be there.

Doesn't make another waste of $53M on something else excusable.

I'm a leftist.

Ok, then go ahead and claim you are a "leftist," then vote for anti-gay, pro-war, pro-Gitmobama.

"But go ahead and claim you are a "liberal," then vote for anti-gay (what?), pro-war (what?), pro-Gitmobama (what?). Stupid fuck. (ya, that'll win 'debates' lol)"

so 15 million over 15 years and not an ounce of good was done by ACORN? Nothing at all? Every penny was wated?

Again, you can't justify the 8 months of outrage. You just can't.

Sorry, 54 million.

"Libertarians" go all "mavericky".

Or whatever......(trying to get some work done.....)

"$53M? How long does it take us to spendf $53M in Iraq?"

"A few seconds. We shouldn't be there.

Doesn't make another waste of $53M on something else excusable.

#88 | Posted by JOE"

I agree with you, Joe. But it does sort of expose the faux outrage of Fox News, Hannity, etc.

anti-gay (what?), pro-war (what?), pro-Gitmobama (what?).

Obama is against gay marriage. He hasn't ended either war and has shown no sign of an intent to do so anytime soon. He has ordered drone strikes on Pakistan. He will not close Gitmo.

Does that answer your questions?

I'll agree with Monte.

"The Libertarian Party is primed to have one of its most successful election years ever. With a strong Presidential ticket and strong candidates at all levels of government, it should be an exciting day. You can browse election results[2008] as we get them in the table below and see just the candidates in your state. Check back throughout the day and evening to see all the latest results!"

lol. Apparently the Libertarian Party's definition of "success" is getting at least one vote in more than one precinct.

See, Joe thinks Obama is the Messiah or something.

Silly Joe. He has 7 more years to Accomplish those Missions.

The Libertarian Party has been around for 40 years or so. Here's a list of its accomplishments...


"Obama is against gay marriage."

And what Libertarian that ran was pro-gay marriage?

"Obama is against gay marriage."

So? That means he's "anti-gay"?

'Right wing logic is an oxymoron'.

"The Libertarian Party has been around for 40 years or so. Here's a list of its accomplishments...

"

Oh come, now, Null...Libertarians have accomplished at least twice that much.

"Libertarians have accomplished at least twice that much."

Sorry, I misunderestimated the impressive record of Libertarian "successes". :)

Speaker Nancy Pelosi has reportedly told fellow Democrats that she's prepared to lose seats in 2010 if that's what it takes to pass ObamaCare, and little wonder. The health bill she unwrapped last Thursday, which President Obama hailed as a "critical milestone," may well be the worst piece of post-New Deal legislation ever introduced.

Talk about a civil war within a party!!

She will destroy the Dem party if this passes.

"She will destroy the Dem party if this passes.

#105 | Posted by MURPHY"

I trust you support its passage then?

#105 | Posted by MURPHY

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

The GOP civil war is a hoot to watch as they shoot themselves in the foot!

I want someone on the right to explain something to me. Rightwingers claim both that this legislation would be a monumental failure that would ruin everything, but also that once it is passed it will never be undone. How can that be?

They just don't want the Dems to get the credit for being able to pass such a needed bill.

Too late for that though. The Dems will lose some seats over this but they have plenty to lose. In the long run, the GOP will pay dearly for being an obstruction to progress.

"The Dems will lose some seats over this but they have plenty to lose." - Manypaths

2-1 majority in the House. Lose 15-20 seats in 2010? 'Feh!'

Yeah, big deal. the Majority always losses seats in the midterms. Might as well get something out of it.

Shove the bill down their throats and let's get the next thing done, whatever that is.

And what Libertarian that ran was pro-gay marriage?
#101 | Posted by Danforth

Bob Barr, he was a Christian conservative, yet a stricter constitutionalist. He was against the DOMA, letting the states decide the issue. He is also for MaryJane and the war on drugs, I would think Nulli would rally around that sort of platform, rather than denigrate.

He is also for MaryJane and the war on drugs, I would think Nulli would rally around that sort of platform, rather than denigrate.

It's a good thing that the Libertarian Party is opposed to the War on Some Drugs. Unfortunately, if you voted for them for the last 40 years, you accomplished less then by voting for Obama last year and witnessing the biggest changes in drug policies in 30 years.

"letting the states decide the issue."

Why should states decided who is allowed civil rights? What a cop-out.

#106 | Posted by mOntecOre

I care more about the direction of the country than Pelosi.

This will fail on it's own.

There are 52 Dems in the House who say they won't vote for it. They want to be re elected.

Then the Senate lacks the 60 votes to pass cloture and forget about the 50 --not there either.

-------

but also that once it is passed it will never be undone. How can that be?

#108 | Posted by mOntecOre

MC--has gov't ever rolled back anything in the history of this country??

The bill isn't even set to go until 2013--tax everyone now but no HC until 2013.

Do you know why it won't start until 2013??--with all the urgency and all those people without HC--they are all dying you know because they have no insurance!!!

Because Obama wants to run for POTUS in 2012. And this can't be in place and phucking up the American People.

This bill won't pass...

the Majority always losses seats in the midterms

Not for Bush in 2002...

"The bill isn't even set to go until 2013--tax everyone now but no HC until 2013." - Murphy

You'd better hope they include mental health care to treat your delusional tendencies. lol

the Majority always losses seats in the midterms

Not for Bush in 2002...

#116 | Posted by MURPHY

9/11

#117 | Posted by Timex at 2009-11-02 05:45 PM | Reply | Flag--Refuses to be informed.

You'd better hope they include mental health care to treat your delusional tendencies. lol

#117 | POSTED BY TIMEX AT 2009-11-02 05:45 PM

Can't help the hopeless.

Murphy wants nothing done because she isn't interested in the working poor receiving coverage. She is only interested in making sure she gets a tax break. Some people were just raised to be greedy.

the Majority always losses seats in the midterms

Not for Bush in 2002...

#116 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-11-02 05:44 PM |

It's 2009, Muffy.

Nullifidian, what crawled up your ass about Libertarians? Did some hoodlum in a bow tie steal your girl or something?

Nullifidian, what crawled up your ass about Libertarians?

It's been more than 7 minutes since his last bong hit.

Dang! It takes me a couple of days of no smoke to get snippy with people like that and I'm dedicated....

The Libertarian Party has been around for 40 years or so. Here's a list of its accomplishments...

You could say the same thing about the Green party. That doesn't mean their platform wouldn't be good for the country.

Rightwingers claim both that this legislation would be a monumental failure that would ruin everything, but also that once it is passed it will never be undone. How can that be?

Just because a piece of legislation would harm the economy does not mean that it should be easy to undo. Why would you start with such a stupid premise?

Look at social security. I'd call that program an overall failure, or at the very least close to being one. Yet nobody would say you could just scrap it today.

" I'd call that program an overall failure, or at the very least close to being one. Yet nobody would say you could just scrap it today.

#127 | Posted by JOE"

Just because you would call social security an overall failure doesn't mean that people consider it a monumental failure. Why would you start with such a stupid premise?

Why should states decided who is allowed civil rights?

Why should the fed be able to say that no gays get them?

Here's a question for you: What's better for gays - having some states that provide them equal rights, or no states that do? Because the latter is what you get even with a supposed liberal like Obama and supposed liberals running the entire Congress.

By the way, "a monumental failure that would ruin everything" does not equal "harm the economy." Wtf? Were you in Goatman's logic class?

By the way, "a monumental failure that would ruin everything" is a strawman. I won't defend that position, because it's stupid. A more accurate argument would be to compare it to other large, failed social programs.

Were you in Goatman's logic class?

Poor, insecure m'boor.

You really need to work on that lack of self-confidence. There are healthier ways of raising it than hurling cheap denigrating remarks.

"Look at social security. I'd call that program an overall failure, or at the very least close to being one."

I'd suggest picking up a history book. SS saved a lot of older adults from abject poverty. The idea isn't bad, nor is the ideal, and had the overages been managed properly, we'd be fine. We could probably have had enough to have shifted out of it by now. Trouble is, we didn't have trustees overseeing it, we had politicians. And the time to shift out would have been during a rising population curve. As it is, it's only a few points away from working for another 75 years, which is as far ahead as they project.

Medicare, on the other hand, is near a crisis.

But if you want to speak in broad, hyperbolic terms that cannot be compared to any real-life situations, go right ahead. You sound like a two year old.

By the way, "a monumental failure that would ruin everything" is a strawman.

m'boor's having a really bad night. Forgive him.

"By the way, "a monumental failure that would ruin everything" is a strawman. I won't defend that position, because it's stupid.

#131 | Posted by JOE"

Well then don't. And don't move the goal posts and then talk about stupid premises.

"What's better for gays - having some states that provide them equal rights, or no states that do?"

Substitute "blacks" for "gays" and give me your answer.

"Poor, insecure m'boor.

Posted by Goatman"

"You really need to work on that lack of self-confidence. There are healthier ways of raising it than hurling cheap denigrating remarks.

#132 | Posted by goatman"

Wow. Mr. "I am far more intelligent than you" is just full of the self-retorting retort tonight. Not a good night for the World's Smartest Oil Rig Worker.

Not a good night for the World's Smartest Oil Rig Worker.

Nothing original to say? Just parrot me?

What about my assertations of Newton and Gould? BS, or was the low road of insults and self flattery the best you could do?

Never mind -- you were clear on that. LOL

If you have something to talk about other than your own self-importance and my lack of a degree, get back with me. Otherwise, go engage in whatever self-indulgances you advanced degree people wrap yourselves in. Let me know.

"But if you want to speak in broad, hyperbolic terms that cannot be compared to any real-life situations, go right ahead. You sound like a two year old.

#134 | Posted by JOE"

It's not my strawman. It's the Gop's, and their lackeys at Fox News and on talk radio. They are the ones who should be criticized for resorting to ridiculous hyperbole and avoiding honest debate.

"If you have something to talk about other than your own self-importance and my lack of a degree, get back with me.
#139 | Posted by goatman"

If you ever have something other than accusations of sexual fantasies about you, get back to me.

The idea isn't bad, nor is the ideal, and had the overages been managed properly, we'd be fine.

Except that's not what he said.

He said the program's a failure.

And he's right.

I can circumvent the failure of "social security" by making good, private investment decisions for my retirement while simply writing off all the money an inept federal government has stolen from my paychecks over the years.

Americans can't really do that with a similar entitlement scam regarding their health care.

And until left-wing shit quits pretending "health-care reform" is something other than a sweeping attempt to put its boot on the throat of American citizens to force them to live a lifestyle that conforms to left-wing notions of how people should live, the people will continue to suggest left-wing shit take their "reform" and go fuck themselves.

If you ever have something other than accusations of sexual fantasies about you, get back to me.

???

I did. I made a couple of observations of Gould and Newton to counter your point 'stagnant science' which you appeared to rebuff with "lesson's over tweedle" on the sea level thread .

They are the ones who should be criticized for resorting to ridiculous hyperbole and avoiding honest debate.

Like "46 million" (or whatever the number is this week) are poor, wretched, and "uninsured" because the cruel system excludes them from coverage?

"Except that's not what he said. He said the program's a failure.
And he's right."

No, he's not. He called it an "overall failure". The program, as it was conceived, worked. And it would still be working, had politicians not fucked it up. As it is, it's not far from working again.

"I can circumvent the failure of "social security" by making good, private investment decisions for my retirement while simply writing off all the money an inept federal government has stolen from my paychecks over the years."

You're probably right. But not everyone can make those "good" decisions. And we already learned that lesson, once.

You would force us to learn it again.

He called it an "overall failure".

Because it is an overall failure.

The program, as it was conceived, worked.

So is a new credit card that solves a specific problem.

Its an entitlement that somemone else pays for.

That's not something that "works".

But not everyone can make those "good" decisions.

Of course they can.

As a society, we need to purge this stupid fucking entitlement mentality that has poisoned the citizen since the 30's, again in the 60's, and now.

"I did. I made a couple of observations of Gould and Newton to counter your point 'stagnant science' which you appeared to rebuff with "lesson's over tweedle" on the sea level thread .

#143 | Posted by goatman"

Yeah, you tried to drive home a point that was never in dispute, a point I had already agreed with, by assigning a position to me that I never took. Big deal.

"The point is scientists can be wrong.
Posted by Goatman"

"I agree. However, while that might be your point, that was not the claim made by Dinsey. (You know, the person I was responding to when you interrupted?)
Posted by mOntecOre"

And we already learned that lesson, once.

When, exactly, did "we learn the lesson" that individual human beings are incapable of making good financial decisions for themselves?

And when, exactly, did we decide that its our job to subsidize the irresponsibility and poor choices of others?

"But not everyone can make those "good" decisions."

"Of course they can.
#146 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao"

Come on, Jak. You have to be joking. Anyone who has spent any time here must know that half the people probably have trouble deciding which finger to sniff first. Making consistently profitable investments is a little more difficult.

"when, exactly, did we decide that its our job to subsidize the irresponsibility and poor choices of others? "

When we instituted SS for the first time.

For God's sake, buy a history book.

But not everyone can make those "good" decisions.

That's a remarkable admission that bears repeating.

The benevolent paternalism of a nascent totalitarianism.

Normally, its a fun excercise in abstract political theory.

Unfortunately, we have an ignorant little street agitating punk in the White House whose intellectual concept of socio-economics can be summed up in that very sentiment.

Couple that with a desperate, ideological legislative branch in its death throes and you produce public policy that is fundamentally damaging to the Republic.

When we instituted SS for the first time.

We instituted "SS" for the first time in the 30s.

Under a president roughly as economically illiterate as this one.

You're simply making an appeal to a past public policy disaster to support a similar one.

For God's sake, buy a history book.

"public policy that is fundamentally damaging to the Republic."

Saving the elderly from abject poverty three generations ago wasn't fundamentally damaging to the Republic. Letting politicians run it, instead of actual Trustees was the mistake.

The idea nor the ideal was wrong. Those executing it, though, should be executed. Or at least jailed, as every other Trustee doing that to a pension plan would be.

For God's sake, buy a history book.

You have a tendency to make this plea for others to buy books (history, economics, civis, etc.)--yet you never really seem to exhibit any knowledge of a given subject that transcends what can be regurgitated from the left-wing blogosphere on any given day.

Why is that?

"yet you never really seem to exhibit any knowledge of a given subject"

Posts the guy who doesn't quite know why social security was instituted in the first place.

"a past public policy disaster"

Well, you obviously believe allowing the elderly to rot in poverty would have been a better choice.

Which is exactly the way I'd expect a trust fund baby to react.

Saving the elderly from abject poverty three generations ago wasn't fundamentally damaging to the Republic

Yeah, but doing so via public policy that lured people into a unsustainable and false sense of entitlement was.

Its not the government's job to save the elderly from abject poverty.

It never was--Rousseau be damned.

Letting politicians run it, instead of actual Trustees was the mistake.

Except that's the essence of a federal entitlement program.

I can "be" for the ideal of puppies and rainbows and all that is wonderful.

When I use the State as a vehicle for the imposition of the ideal of puppies and rainbows and all that is wonderful, I destroy the fundamental principles of a free society.

Which is exactly the way I'd expect a trust fund baby to react.

Oops.

We went to the ad hominem, fantasy narrative that helps our world make sense in times of trouble.

Getting frustrated, Danforth?

Perhaps its time to pull on the leotard and "go to rehearsal".

*clap*

*clap*

*clap*

"Plathes, everyone!"

"Its not the government's job to save the elderly from abject poverty."

It is if it otherwise would create unbearable side effects, like rampant crime, or rampant starvation. Think in terms of vaccines.

"Except (letting politicians run it) the essence of a federal entitlement program."

It didn't have to be that way.

"Plathes, everyone!"

"Getting frustrated?"

No, but obviously you are.

#160 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao

Oh terrific. Jacqueline is here, and without his heifers.

It is if it otherwise would create unbearable side effects, like rampant crime, or rampant starvation.

Assuming a 70 year old, failed entitlement program is the proverbial dike protecting us from side effects like rampant crime or rampant starvation.

Its not.

And it isn't going to protect my generation from side effects like rampant crime or rampant starvation.

Ergo, its a failed program.

WSJ is biatchin' and moanin' over the new HealthCare bill?

Well then... maybe it's not so bad after all!

Also... The Health Care Bill is Pelosi's now?

LOL.

Rupert the Unbearable is so obvious some days.

Be Well.

"Its not."

That's an assumption.

"it isn't going to protect my generation from side effects like rampant crime or rampant starvation."

Another assumption. What percentage of the populace do you believe will be relying solely on Social Security?

"Nearly half of all workers saving for retirement have savings that fall short of the $25,000 mark, according to the 2007 Retirement Confidence Survey by the Employee Benefit Research Institute and Matthew Greenwald & Associates."
"Overall, 40 percent of respondents said they are not currently saving for retirement while 34 percent said they didn't have any retirement money saved whatsoever."

money.cnn.com

Also... The Health Care Bill is Pelosi's now?

Yes. It came from the House of Representatives. She is the speaker of the House.

Well, you obviously believe allowing the elderly to rot in poverty would have been a better choice.

Most of the elderly were perfectly elderly and died as dignified human beings long before "Social Security" was imposed upon them.

For a guy who impores others to "buy history books", you sure seem to have a difficult time conceptualizing the American Experience prior to the imposition of contemporary, leftist public policy in the 1930s.

WSJ is biatchin' and moanin' over the new HealthCare bill?

Well then... maybe it's not so bad after all!

Also... The Health Care Bill is Pelosi's now?

LOL.

Rupert the Unbearable is so obvious some days.

Be Well.

"Most of the elderly were perfectly elderly and died as dignified human beings long before "Social Security" was imposed upon them."

Too funny. Before SS, the average longevity was about 65.

Buy a history book, for God's sake.

For a guy who impores others to "buy history books", you sure seem to have a difficult time conceptualizing the American Experience prior to the imposition of contemporary, leftist public policy in the 1930s.

#169 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao

lol. This fucker's a hoot to be sure.

"Life expectancy at birth in 1930 was indeed only 58 for men and 62 for women, and the retirement age was 65."

www.ssa.gov

' have a difficult time conceptualizing the American Experience'

Let's "conceptualize" the "Texan Experience", which seems to amount to executions, lynchings, and shooting people in the back.

Texan Experience", which seems to amount to executions, lynchings, and shooting people in the back.

I haven't experienced any of that. What am I doing wrong, dull?

Another assumption.

No.

Its not an "assumption".

Overall, 40 percent of respondents said they are not currently saving for retirement while 34 percent said they didn't have any retirement money saved whatsoever.

That's because an irresponsible entitlement program was created 70 years ago that lulled people into a sense of security based on the idea that it was the State's job to extort a certain amount of their income.

Which leads me back to my original point, made hours ago:

I can circumvent the failure of "social security" by making good, private investment decisions for my retirement while simply writing off all the money an inept federal government has stolen from my paychecks over the years.

Americans can't really do that with a similar entitlement scam regarding their health care.

Your problem, Danforth, is that you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the role our government is inteneded to play in the lives of its citizens.

Using tenuous and specious arguments, I can fabricate any number of "needs" or "rights" I feel the State is obligated to provide its citizens.

In fact, that's the entire template for the leftist, or "progressive" worldview.

There's no limit to the power of the state---so long as an indigent child, somewhere, lacks a "right" to a puppy or rainbow or all that is good.

And that's why people who promulgate such a childish approach to civics are so intellectually unserious to me.

And then I can't hide my contempt for them and say ugly shit to them.

And then I get dumped by RCade.

But I tolerated you for a long time tonight without getting particularly nasty.

And I'm proud of that.

Too funny. Before SS, the average longevity was about 65.

Jesus.

Are you now trying to advance the argument that the "Social Security" entitlement program was an impetus of increased longevity?

You're right.

Too funny.

For a guy who impores others to "buy history books", you sure seem to have a difficult time conceptualizing the American Experience prior to the imposition of contemporary, leftist public policy in the 1930s.

#169 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao

Wonderful times!!

Bread lines:
www.1776mag.com

Shanty towns:
pneumaticaddict.files.wordpres s.com

Homeless and hungry women and children:
pneumaticaddict.files.wordpres s.com

Unemployed masses looking for enough work to buy food:
www.perfecteconomy.com

Shoeless hungry children:
www.digitaljournal.com

Homeless families on the road looking for work, food, and shelter:
truthhugger.files.wordpress.co m

Homeless children on crutches with no medical care:
www.nanpatience.com

WONDERFUL TIMES !!!!!

"Your problem, Danforth, is that you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the role our government is inteneded to play in the lives of its citizens."

Oh, I'm sure it's not my only.

"I can circumvent the failure of "social security" by making good, private investment decisions for my retirement while simply writing off all the money an inept federal government has stolen from my paychecks over the years."

Again, good for you. Not everyone can do that. Now it seems I'm the realist, and you're the idealist.

"a "right" to a puppy or rainbow or all that is good."

Cute, but not reality. From wiki:

"The act was an attempt to limit what were seen as dangers in the modern American life, including old age, poverty, unemployment, and the burdens of widows and fatherless children."

"people who promulgate such a childish approach to civics are so intellectually unserious to me."

Just like people who are born on third base, and spend their lives thinking they hit a triple, are fakes in my book.

"I tolerated you for a long time tonight without getting particularly nasty. And I'm proud of that."

Whatever gets you through the night, cowboy.

"And then I get dumped by RCade."

Waaaaaa.

"And then I get dumped by RCade."

Waaaaaa.

Let's "conceptualize" the "Texan Experience", which seems to amount to executions, lynchings, and shooting people in the back.

As opposed to a bankrupt, polluted, oppresively taxed shithole that people and businesses are fleeing in droves.

If you wish to be taken seriously, it might help to adopt a role other than that of a leftist Californian dissing the state of Texas.

Seriously.

"Are you now trying to advance the argument that the "Social Security" entitlement program was an impetus of increased longevity?"

No.

Just that you're idyllic concept of the history of the American "elderly" is baloney.

Then, thanks to the WPA and other 'Socialist' programs, people went to work building:

Bridges
Streets
Buildings
National Parks
Stringing Electricity to rural areas
Building Dams
etc
etc
etc

People had a sense of dignity. They could earn money to feed their families. America's infrastructure was vastly improved, people had a glimmer of hope. They weren't forced to beg.

HORRIBLE!!

#178

"If you wish to be taken seriously,"

If I wanted to be take seriously, I wouldn't admit to being a resident of the state of Texas, douchebag.

Oh, I'm sure it's not my only.

I can assure you its not.

Not everyone can do that.

Of course they can.

As a society, we need to purge this stupid fucking entitlement mentality that has poisoned the citizen since the 30's, again in the 60's, and now.

Just like people who are born on third base

Oops.

We went to the ad hominem, fantasy narrative that helps our world make sense in times of trouble.

Seriously, is there anything go on in Texas besides lynchings and executions? Just wondering.

Just wondering.

Too stupid to google?

Then, thanks to the WPA and other 'Socialist' programs, people went to work building:

Yes.

But they were paid with "money" that was simply taxed or borrowed from other segments of the economy.

How is it that people as stupid as you are allowed to vote?

Its mind-boggling.

God help us.

"Of course they can. "

Buy a history book, for God's sake.

"Oops."

What...you think I was talking about you?!?

"ad hominem, fantasy narrative"

Remind us...on how many continents have you resided?

'Nite cowboy...sweet dreams.

"Your problem, Danforth, is that you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the role our government is inteneded to play in the lives of its citizens."

LET THEM EAT CAKE! (but there was no cake).

See #178, view the photos taken during the Great Depression of the 1930's and see what it was like for people with no 'daddy' to bail them out. America, the richest country on Earth is supposed to let our citizens beg for food? Live in shacks? Etc?

You've racked up a fairly impressive set of contribitions to the thread, Billy.

Good job.

Jak, you're a spoiled and rude little boy. Nite.

God help us.

#190 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao at 2009-11-03 01:12 AM | Reply | Flag: Pussy

Buy a history book, for God's sake.

And read about the wreck that can be made of a society because of ridiculous public policy that forces unsustainable entitlement programs.

Remind us...on how many continents have you resided?

Three (3).

Its amazing what one can do with a little initiative, scholarship, and hard work.

No entitlement program required.

As a society, we need to purge this stupid fucking entitlement mentality that has poisoned the citizen since the 30's, again in the 60's, and now.

Sure, because there certainly wasn't any attitude of entitlement outside of the times you listed.

No entitlement program required.

#197 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao

Other than being a trust-fund cowboy, that is.

1.) Remind us...on how many continents have you resided?

2.) LET THEM EAT CAKE!

3.) you're a spoiled and rude little boy

4.) Fag

5.) Pussy

Ladies and Gentlemen....

The "Progressive" apex of argumentation....

Jak

"Let them eat cake" - your attitude. Ever heard of Marie Antoinette in all your vast studies?

You ARE a spoiled and rude little boy. That's not a partisan statement.

1.) Remind us...on how many continents have you ...

The "Progressive" apex of argumentation....

#200 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao

You stupid fuck, you entire shtick here is basically calling people "faggots", you moron.

Sure, because there certainly wasn't any attitude of entitlement outside of the times you listed.

There's always been an attitude of entitlement--so long as there's been a human being.

If I provide a good or service to a man, I'm entitled to payment for that good or service.

I pay taxes to my government with the expectation that I'm entitled to the provision of certain non-exclusionary goods and services that can't otherwise be reasonably provided by markets.

Shit like one's retirement finances and "health care" don't fall into that category.

Ever heard of Marie Antoinette in all your vast studies?

Yes I have.

And that was actually a fabricated ("made up") quote.

Sorry, man.

Keep on tickin'.

So you're ok with entitlement so long as it isn't over your personally set arbitrary line?

You ARE a spoiled and rude little boy. That's not a partisan statement.

Of course its not a "partisan" statement.

It's the statement of a dumbass who has very little to say beyond his little quiver of left-wing, populist cliches---like "Let them eat Cake!"

I get the sentiment.

You get taken seriously when you translate it into an argument for or against the effectiveness of some incarnation of public policy.

So jump in there and take a stab at it, Big Shooter.

So you're ok with entitlement so long as it isn't over your personally set arbitrary line?

That doesn't make any sense.

Write more concisely and re-state your point.

JPW---I'll read your response tomorrow.

I'm going to bed.

Its late.

Says the guy who argues the U.S. didn't need to do anything during the Great Depression.

Jak, call me a dumbass all day if that floats your boat. I could care less what you think about me. I have zero respect for you. You're a whiny, pithy, arrogant little brat who makes a habit of making the most outlandish statements imaginable on this site and being an asshole whenever possible.

You respect Coyotes. People not so much.

Howl at the moon for all I care, boy.

There's always been an attitude of entitlement--so long as there's been a human being.

If I provide a good or service to a man, I'm entitled to payment for that good or service.

I pay taxes to my government with the expectation that I'm entitled to the provision of certain non-exclusionary goods and services that can't otherwise be reasonably provided by markets.

Here you state that entitlement is normal and that you yourself even have a sense of entitlement.

Shit like one's retirement finances and "health care" don't fall into that category.

Here you provide examples of things that you don't feel people are entitled to.

Therefore, you are ok with entitlement. You yourself feel it at times. However, you have set an arbitrary line for when you personally do or don't feel entitled.

I'll read your response tomorrow.

I'm going to bed.

Its late.

It probably won't make sense then either.

It is late.

Says the guy who argues the U.S. didn't need to do anything during the Great Depression.

I don't recall having made such an argument.

Jak, call me a dumbass all day if that floats your boat.

Okay.

You're a dumbass.

Howl at the moon for all I care

OOWWWWWW!

boy

Boy?

Do you also call a Mountain Lion a "kitty cat"?

Figures.

However, you have set an arbitrary line for when you personally do or don't feel entitled.

No, JPW.

The state can tax its citizens to provide for certain non-exclusionary goods that markets are unable to reasonably provide for.

Markets can and do provide for life after work (retirement) and "health care".

You're misconstruing my rhetorical use of a personal pronoun and pretending as if that's a valid rejoinder because it magically reduces the point of contention into something subjective.

"Great Deflection Danni would you care to tell us...

Which Major network reported on Van Jones or Acorn before Van Jones resigned..."

I can actually see the relevance of the cost of the war to health care reform, Van Jones or ACORN, not so much.

#171 | Posted by Danforth
Too funny. Before SS, the average longevity was about 65.
------------------------

My brother just retired and he has to live till he is 116 just to break even, if dies before that he looses money. Anybody that defends that is a joke.

If someone ran somthing like SS in the private sector they would go to jail.

Longevity went up because of advance in medicine, not socil security.

Also when you factor in the taxes for SS and the cost of living increase due to the taxes, a lot of economists and historians have argued that SS is a net loss for seniors and has not been a good program for seniors.

"My brother just retired and he has to live till he is 116 just to break even, if dies before that he looses money."

Link?

"Anybody that defends that is a joke."

The ideal works. The execution was, unfortunately, left in the hands of politicians.

"If someone ran somthing like SS in the private sector they would go to jail."

Yes...I said that earlier.

"Longevity went up because of advance in medicine, not socil security."

I never argued otherwise.

"the cost of living increase due to the taxes"

Huh? What are you talking about?

"a lot of economists and historians have argued that SS is a net loss for seniors and has not been a good program for seniors."

A lot? Define "a lot". And not a good program...how?

The ideal works. The execution was, unfortunately, left in the hands of politicians.

Then the ideal doesn't work. It was known from the beginning that politicians would run Social Security. Stop pretending that they somehow intervened without warning and ruined something good. They were there from the start.

#218 | Posted by Danforth

"My brother just retired and he has to live till he is 116 just to break even, if dies before that he looses money."

Link?

"Anybody that defends that is a joke."

The ideal works. The execution was, unfortunately, left in the hands of politicians.

"If someone ran somthing like SS in the private sector they would go to jail."

Yes...I said that earlier.

"Longevity went up because of advance in medicine, not socil security."

I never argued otherwise.

"the cost of living increase due to the taxes"

Huh? What are you talking about?

"a lot of economists and historians have argued that SS is a net loss for seniors and has not been a good program for seniors."

A lot? Define "a lot". And not a good program...how?
----------------------------
I will give you link to my brothers paper statment.

Again my brother has to live till he 116 to break even, YOU TOOK ECON 101 did you pass it?

You liberals are lucky SS is forced on the public, because nobody would contribute otherwise.

Steve Wynn said it best, Government has never raised anyones standard of living, it just adds to you cost of living, and SS backs that claim up.

"Again my brother has to live till he 116 to break even"

That's an easy claim to make. What return on his investment over the years was he assuming, and if (as you said) he just retired, did he take the 40% drop at the end into the equation?

"Steve Wynn said it best, Government has never raised anyones standard of living"

Yet he seeks tax incentives every time he builds a property.

"it just adds to you cost of living, and SS backs that claim up."

WTF are you talking about?

"YOU TOOK ECON 101 did you pass it?"

I'd better have: I've been the guy in front of the class as well.

I'd better have: I've been the guy in front of the class as well.

#221 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-11-03 11:05 AM

wwwdelivery.superstock.com

"Yet he seeks tax incentives every time he builds a property." - Danforth

As you have argued in the past about liberals not just sending in all thier earnings when writing about wanting to have a higher tax rate.

Should they "shoot themselves in the foot" ?

Still you haven't refuted the claim... just commented on it, and with much confusion on your positions.

The state can tax its citizens to provide for certain non-exclusionary goods that markets are unable to reasonably provide for.

Markets can and do provide for life after work (retirement) and "health care".
214 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao at 2009-11-03 02:10 AM | Reply

Like the tobacco tax in California amongst others.

"Should they "shoot themselves in the foot" ?"

No.

But arguing that government doesn't help, while going to the government for help, speaks volumes.

Apples and oranges.

"wwwdelivery.superstock.com"

Awwww....Speedball must still be sore.

"you haven't refuted the claim."

What...that "Government has never raised anyones standard of living"? That's ludicrous. Unless you want to pretend government runs itself. Otherwise, you'll have to admit there are at least some good government workers, and their standard of living has been raised by wages & benefits. And the SS system belies that as well, at least for the early recipients.

"wwwdelivery.superstock.com"

"wwww....Speedball must still be sore."

Sore from laughing at you, the drunk, and Larry Three idiots who can't even use a google search. BWHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! You come here for the comedy, but are stupid enough to try and defend the undefensible.

"Sore from laughing at you"

So let's see: you finally admitted you were wrong, and now want to pretend you weren't. Obviously, I own you, bitch, if you feel the need to return to the pretense.

"can't even use a google search."

Interesting, since it was a google search that proved you wrong.

"stupid enough to try and defend the undefensible"

Posts the guy who defended a lie for a day and a half.

"So let's see: you finally admitted you were wrong, and now want to pretend you weren't. Obviously, I own you, bitch, if you feel the need to return to the pretense."

I sarcastically gave you a bone because I was tired of hearing you whine like a begging dog.


"Interesting, since it was a google search that proved you wrong."

Which one? The same bag you and Larry ignorantly linked that turned out to be a double end bag? Or the link that in the product description said Speed Bag, twice no less.

"Posts the guy who defended a lie for a day and a half."

As opposed to you who foolishly defended the drunk? Which put you in the same corner of stupidity, saying Bert Sugar's AKA is "Sweet as Sugar" BWHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! You are as easy as making apple pie danforth. Please continue this folly, I love crushing trolls like you....

"I sarcastically gave you a bone"

What a lying pussy. You said NOBODY, and I proved you wrong. You're just too much of a chickenshit punk to admit it, and now want to actually pretend you weren't stupid to claim an absolute.

"As opposed to you who foolishly defended the drunk? "

On ONE issue, on which he was right, and you were wrong.

"Which put you in the same corner of stupidity, saying Bert Sugar's AKA is "Sweet as Sugar""

I love the smell of desperation in the morning. Every time you add a lie, You make yourself more of my bitch, bitch.

I SMELL a supreme court case involving this

especaily after watching cspan this morning.

a WONDERFULL hour from U of arizona with pete williams hosting a session with both BREYER and SCALIA....

a lot of talk about is the constitution meant to be read strickly or loosely..

all of you should look and see if its repeated sometime.

#227 | Posted by Danforth
What...that "Government has never raised anyones standard of living"? That's ludicrous. Unless you want to pretend government runs itself. Otherwise, you'll have to admit there are at least some good government workers, and their standard of living has been raised by wages & benefits. And the SS system belies that as well, at least for the early recipients.
------------------
For every federal employee that increase his/hers standard of living, how many people in the private sector have to lower their standard of living for that to happen.

No free lunch.

I'm sure all those California state employees have a nice standard of living off the backs of the tax payers.

Oh by the way those Cali tax payers are leaving the state droves because they can't afford the cost of living.

"What a lying pussy. You said NOBODY, and I proved you wrong. You're just too much of a chickenshit punk to admit it, and now want to actually pretend you weren't stupid to claim an absolute.'

Poor, poor danforth... Gets caught lying, ignorantly defending the undefensible and blames others for his incredible stupidity on a subject he knows nothing about. That little fragile ego has once again been exposed. Not to mention every colored feather I throw out, you eagerly try to bite. Must suck being such a little man that any generalization becomes absolute in your lonely world, like being "hungry as a horse." BHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

danforth rule of blogging:

Lie and deny

Fib and add lib

Prevaricate and obfuscate

"For every federal employee that increase his/hers standard of living, how many people in the private sector have to lower their standard of living for that to happen. "

You're moving the goalposts. You're also pretending government can't make things happen better, like the folks who insure safe food.

"I'm sure all those California state employees have a nice standard of living off the backs of the tax payers."

I'm not saying there can't be an improper ratio; there can be. But to make a blanket claim -- never -- is bullshit.

"Poor, poor Cris Pee... Gets caught lying, ignorantly defending the undefensible and blames others for his incredible stupidity"

FTFY.

"I was wrong to make that broad of a statement. Congtrats on handing me my ass"
POSTED BY CRISPEE_OC AT 2009-11-02 10:54 PM

And now, my bitch just wants to lie about it. Cry away, bitch.

And your arguments about SS it's very simple if SS was such a great deal than why is it not voluntary?

We all know the awnser.

ALSO IN BILL

states who have put in tort reform will be
PUNISHED BY the federal govt
something about states with caps on cases will be forced to pay more..

and this whole issue was highlighted on sunday

george will said that people wanted to be protected FROM the govt and sharpton said that people wanted to be protected BY the govt

that to me pretty much defines the whole argument between us

I was wrong to make that broad of a statement. Congtrats on handing me my ass"
POSTED BY CRISPEE_OC AT 2009-11-02 10:54 PM

"And now, my bitch just wants to lie about it. Cry away, bitch."

One would think a professional cyber troll like you would know sarcasm, guess that is another area of ignorance, ala boxing.... How is that "ewe" doing this morning?

"saying Bert Sugar's AKA is "Sweet as Sugar" BWHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!"

Ooooooh, now I see what's got your pantaloons are waeed up. Hey, Crispee Palooka: that was an invented term, for purposes of the thread. It's like calling you "Crispee Palooka" or "Crispee 'Dumb As A Brick' OC" or "Crispee 'Is This Guy Realliy This Fuckin' Dumb' Palook" or "Crispee 'Lying Pile Of Manure' OC." Same thing.

Jeezus, you really are a silly, sick, stoopid little mongrel.

#235 | Posted by Danforth
You're also pretending government can't make things happen better, like the folks who insure safe food.
------------------
And at what cost? This is Steve Wynn's point all this adds to our cost of living, and the benefits are over exagerated.

"You're moving the goalposts.'

At least you know what goalposts are...

"This is Steve Wynn's point all this adds to our cost of living"

No, that was your point. Steve Wynn said "never", yet he goes to the government to raise HIS standard of living via tax incentives. And he relies on government to insure, for example, the food delivered to his hotel won't poison his guests.

"the benefits are over exagerated."

Of things like eating safe food?!? You're joking, right?

"One would think a professional cyber troll like you would know sarcasm"

That wasn't sarcasm, bitch, that was you finally having to admit you were wrong all along. Either that, or pretending Texas isn't in America or that internet page had been posted over 30 years ago.

But it speaks volumes that, even after admitting you were wrong, you can't admit you were wrong.

Way to be my bitch, bitch!

Hey, Crispee Palooka: that was an invented term, for purposes of the thread....
#240 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2009-11-03 12:01 PM

Of course it was Drunky... It just so happens you googled Bert Sugar and pasted the first entry. AKA Bert "Sweet as Sugar" The problem is, that was a reference to Sugar Ray Robinson and the only reason Bert Sugar came up in the link was because he thought SRR should have copyrighted that term. But you invented it????? BWHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Keep yapping Drunky, you already had the other two stooges Larry and Danforth put their foots in their mouths when they desperately tried to mask your shame and incredible ignorance.... AKA Bert "Sweet as Sugar" ROTFLMAO!!!

Way to be my bitch, bitch!

#244 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-11-03 12:10 PM

Now you have two "ewes" you call bitch? Are you zoned for farm animals?

"Now you have two "ewes" you call bitch? '

Nope, just you, bitch.

But it isn't surprising you don't know the difference between yourself and a sheep.

Nope, just you, bitch.

"But it isn't surprising you don't know the difference between yourself and a sheep."

I know you have at least one on your property, poor thing. Where is PETA when you need them. Maybe they are part of your act, afterall you claim to be an actor. Do you dress her up?

You're also pretending government can't make things happen better, like the folks who insure safe food.

not to be a spellnanny but you mean "ensure" not "insure".

Pretty sure Wynn transfers the risk of sick customers to an underwriter.

"not to be a spellnanny but you mean "ensure" not "insure"."

You're right.

"Pretty sure Wynn transfers the risk of sick customers to an underwriter."

Pretty sure his rates would be higher without reliance on government workers to ensure a minimum level.

Pretty sure his rates would be higher without reliance on government workers to ensure a minimum level.

more like he wouldn't be able to get coverage at all.

"more like he wouldn't be able to get coverage at all."

Then I guess the government raised his standard of living, since that would have an effect on his bottom line, and he is doubtless a profit participant.

It just so happens you googled Bert Sugar and pasted the first entry...blah... burrrrp... belch...blah...#245 | Posted by crispee_oc

Wow, you have completely lost it, Crispee Palooka. ("It" being what little of a rational mind you still possessed after turning into a punchdrunk Palooka, Palook.)

Here's what I wrote that set you off, referencing another poster:

"(a.k.a. Bert "Sweet As" Sugar) can get his fedora out of his eyes long enough to follow you down the pathway to education.
#17 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2009-10-29 10:17 AM

Let's Google "Bert Sugar" -- which is what you claim I did -- and see what the "first entry" is, the one you say I "pasted," okay? Here it is: a Wikipedia entry in which the term "sweet" doesn't appear. How about the second? HBO, and again no "sweet." And again and again and again. Zero accuracy on your part, Palook.

Show me where I pasted anything on that thread (www.drudge.com) about Bert Surgar.

Here you are -- what is now, four or five days since this started -- and you're still trying to show us there's a point to all this except the one atop your pea-brained noggin?

Is there no limit to your stoopidity?

#253...

Funny, my computer came up with the exact match I posted and linked from Google, when I typed AKA Bert Sweet as Sugar. But you invented it though and it is a coincidence that his name came up, right Drunky? Just like your brilliant post ali needs a "speedball" to practice punching before a bout? BHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! You and danforth have made me laugh harder than a Grateful Dead concert on shrooms. My jaw and neck are starting to hurt.

Did you buy your computer form the guy who sold Jack the beans?????

Is there no limit to your stoopidity?

#253 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2009-11-03 12:45 PM

You set the "stoopidity" bar pretty high Drunky. Don't know If I can reach or lower myself to your level. Sorry...

You set the "stoopidity" bar pretty high...Don't know If I can reach or lower myself to your level. Sorry...
#255 | Posted by crispee_oc

According to Crispee Palooka's understanding of the way of things:

(1) I set the stoopidity bar high
(2) He can't lower himself to that level
(3) Because he's soared beyond the high level at which I set the stoopidity bar

This shit really does just write itself.
ROTFLMAO!

Did you buy your computer form the guy who sold Jack the beans?????
#254 | Posted by crispee_oc

Crispee, I gonna try and break this to you the nicest way I can, okay?

"Jack" is a fictional character. (There are real people named "Jack," but he isn't one of them.)

The magic beans? They don't exist. Never did.

Would you like me to get you a handkerchief?

#257...
Maybe you can google that about "Jack" if you don't know the meaning of the reference. But I guess it proves you know as much about boxing as you do about movies. Like My Cousin Vinny... God my jaw hurts from laughing, give me a break Drunky....

BTW... The "lower myself" reference was about your dwarf status. Not very sharp today Drunky?

"...how do you spend over 1 Trillion and not raise taxes..." = Ataxpayer

Uh, that's a 10 year figure. Do Republicans never read?

#3 | Posted by Timex

$100,000,000,000 per year. $100 Billion a year.

That's nothing? It's an estimate. Do you think it a high or low estimate?

Does it say next to the figure +/- $1T

how do you spend over 1 Trillion and not raise taxes.

Vote Republican.

Real quick question.

What do the people at the WSJ know about Healthcare Bills and why would anyone put any stock into what they think about one?

Thanks in advance!

What do the people at the WSJ know about Healthcare Bills and why would anyone put any stock into what they think about one?

WSJ is an expensive newspaper to subscribe to. Many regional newspapers have consolidated or done away with their financial sections leaving WSJ as the best financial newspaper.

If you're willing to spend that much for a newspaper you tend to believe what's in there.

"you tend to believe what's in there."

Like "tax cuts increase revenues", even when followed with economic concepts that would get you flunked out of Econ 101, like measuring it in nominal dollars instead of real dollars.

Like "tax cuts increase revenues", even when followed with economic concepts that would get you flunked out of Econ 101, like measuring it in nominal dollars instead of real dollars.

If you spend $10,000 in a State with a sales tax of 5%, the State earns $500.

When the Fed spends $10,000 in a State with a sales tax of 5%, the State earns $0. The Fed is usually tax exempt.

Wow, an organization that has Wall Street in its name --- yup, there is a Name You Can Trust!

Sincerely

The People Who Didn't Lose Money in September of 08

"If you spend $10,000 in a State with a sales tax of 5%, the State earns $500. When the Fed spends $10,000 in a State with a sales tax of 5%, the State earns $0. The Fed is usually tax exempt."

What does that have to do with the lie "tax cuts increase revenues?"

What does that have to do with the lie "tax cuts increase revenues?"

#263 | Posted by Danforth

Do you have a link to that fact?

You know I don't know much about ecomic issues but even I have enough common sense to know that if You take in less than what You started taking in You aren't going to take in more than when You started. It's NOT rocket science.

Larry

You know I don't know much about ecomic issues but even I have enough common sense to know that if You take in less than what You started taking in You aren't going to take in more than when You started. It's NOT rocket science.

Larry

#265 | Posted by LarryMohr

So if i lower my prices i would never possibly sell more product and thereby increase sales.

WSJ calls Pelosi's healthcare Bill "The Worst Bill Ever."

Well let's see...2000 pages and growing.

I hope the WSJ didn't break a sweat stating the obvious.

JEFF
reports about some sort of 900 page addition to it
heard anything about that?

managers something or other thingy I believe its called

BLT,

I heard the ammendment was 800 pages, but it wouldn't surprise me if it has grown another 100 pages.

Jesus.

By the time it's all done the bill will have one page for every dollar spent - we'll have a trillion-page bill.

The dumbing down of Newscorps WSJ is continuing full speed ahead.

"tax cuts increase revenues",

Cut taxes to zero, that should balance the budget under that scenario.

Just another lie foisted on the public from the ruling class.

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