Really?

A few weeks ago there was an article that the ski season was opening early...very early in fact.

Now, I'm not going to say that the planet isn't warming or cooling or that climate isn't changing, but you guys need to make up your fucking minds.

Is it global warming or global climate change?

fuck!

It's global warming when it's hot out. It's "climate change" when it's snowing in October.

It's global warming when it's hot out in November. It's "climate change" when it's snowing in October in New Zeland.

A few weeks ago there was an article that the ski season was opening early

Yeah. It is too bad there is only one ski slope in the whole world.

Yeah. It is too bad there is only one ski slope in the whole world.

What's really too bad is that chicken little can't figure out which direction the sky is falling.

G-d just hates California skiers, because Colorado is partying right now on the slopes.

G-d just hates California.

Fixed that for you.

Yep! Just one ski resort in the whole of North America opening early.

Oh my bad, 2.

Read your own link before spouting off.

Loveland: "Snowmaking has been going well despite warm temperatures"

Las Vegas: "Unseasonably cold nighttime temperatures and aggressive snowmaking efforts have produced a pristine layer of snow"

"Some of the resorts had to close again and are waiting for new snow."

He doesn't hate California- so many bizzare religions come from there.

How can you tell Jesus was from California?

He had long hair, none of his friends had jobs, and he started a new religion.

Ooo, someone get Vernon!

Joe's posting links to "unseasonable", "record" weather patterns as evidence all is well with the climate.

I can see there is no point is staying here. Joe and Ax will accidentally make my points for me.

Thanks, boys.

The global warming deniers are right up there with the flat earth society as far as accuracy of facts is concerned.

Once you have your mind made up no amount of data will convince you of the reality of global warming.

THERE IS TOO MUCH EVIDENCE TO DENY IT! And it would be a waste of time to try obviously.

THERE IS TOO MUCH EVIDENCE TO DENY IT! And it would be a waste of time to try obviously.

Posted by Monstman at 2009-11-02 02:22 PM | Reply

What evidence?? What evidence?? I am serious all I see as so called evidence is what scientists spew in papers. I could make a paper look quite convincing(If I was educated enough) and people would buy it. I have yet to receive any concrete evidence of Global Warming. Global cooling Yes cause tempratures around these parts has been falling. I think it is just another way to keep the populace afraid and willing enough to be fleeced. That is what I think.

Larry

Oh my bad, 2.

Read your own link before spouting off.

I did read my own link. It's how I discovered this:

Similar snow reports are coming from the Alps, the Indian Himalayas and the Japanese Alps, according to the online ski magazine First Tracks. Saas-Fee and Zermatt got plenty of snow and are already open, firsttracks reported, as are with Cervinia, Val Senales and Passo Stelvio in Italy.

I can see there is no point is staying here. Joe and Ax will accidentally make my points for me.

Thanks, boys.

HA!

THERE IS TOO MUCH EVIDENCE TO DENY IT! And it would be a waste of time to try obviously.

Which part is there too much evidence to deny?

That the climate is and will continue to change?

No argument there.

That bullshit scams like cap and trade and carbon credits are going to save us all?

You're a sucker.

Learn to swim.

the Alps, the Indian Himalayas and the Japanese Alps

in North America?

Anyway, as if it matters, I meant that you were using one resort (actually handful of resorts) as proof everything is fine and the season is getting longer. The people who actually work at resorts year in and year out disagree with you.

A few runs with snow doesn't not a trend make.

Larry is here to agree with you. Seriously, isn't that enough of a hint you may need to re-think you position?

That's some bad grammer.

Damnit, Larry. See what you made me do...

A few runs with snow doesn't not a trend make.

I never said it made a trend. I said that a few weeks ago, ski season was already open...early. In that statement, with the article I offered as proof, I am right.

You quantified my argument with "one resort no...two resorts" when the article says that multiple resorts in North America and various ski resorts around the globe.

Larry is here to agree with you. Seriously, isn't that enough of a hint you may need to re-think you position?

Larry thinks global warming is a conspiracy to keep dipshits like you in line. I think global warming happens naturally. Whether it is or is not affected by human activity, I don't know, but I'm realistic enough to know that taxing pollution doesn't actually STOP pollution.

So, no, I do not need to rethink my position. You, however, should stop assuming you've got me all figured out.

That's some bad grammer.

grammar?

You spelt G R A M M A R wrong.

Trying to convince a wingnut of the truth of global warming is like trying to convince them that RUSHBO is fat!

"You spelt(sic) G R A M M A R wrong."

LOL!

You spelled 'spelled' wrong.

I think global warming happens

Chicken little, you need to make up your fucking mind.

I'm realistic enough to know that taxing pollution doesn't actually STOP pollution.

Who on this thread has advocated otherwise?
Oh, no one?
Who is assuming they have it all figured out?

The climate is changing. Every time one of you flat-earthers post a story with a "freak" snowstorm, "record low" temperatures, or "unprecedented" ski schedules you're accidently agreeing with those "evil" scientists and hippies you hate so much. You're just too stupid to realize it.

ski season was already open...early

And the article you linked attributed that to ARTIFICAL SNOW and "unseasonalable" weather, Dufus.

Spelt is the ORIGINAL spelling of the past tense for the word spell. Look it up Zatoichi.

Nice to see Larry's still using middle English.

human activity, I don't know

So you don't know if putting 27 billion tons of CO2 into the air every year while cutting down 800,000 acres of forest has an effect on the climate?

You aren't quite sure?

OK.

"cutting down 800,000 acres of forest has an effect on the climate?"

"At the height of their power, the Nasca had mastered the craft of weaving elaborate textiles and the art of painting fine, multicoloured pottery. They etched giant figures in the desert that only made sense if seen from the air, and they irrigated their crops with a network of underground aqueducts.

For more than eight centuries, the Nasca culture prospered in the coastal valleys of Peru until its sudden downfall around 600 AD, which many experts put down to the torrential rains and dramatic flooding brought on by one of the worst El Nino events in a millennium.

From the AP:
"Snow cap disappearing from Mount Kilimanjaro"

I am so happy for the skiers. They are a dying breed and need a break every few decades and spent a ton of money of the latest fashions. Now, they can finally get a chance to show it off for one more day this season. Enjoy.

Chicken little, you need to make up your fucking mind.

Not necessary. I'm not worried. My mind is made up to not be fucking scared witless about something I cannot control. Tell ya what. You fret about it, let it get you all in a tizzy. When you're done throwing your temper tantrum, let me know what you've changed.

The climate is changing. Every time one of you flat-earthers post a story with a "freak" snowstorm, "record low" temperatures, or "unprecedented" ski schedules you're accidently agreeing with those "evil" scientists and hippies you hate so much. You're just too stupid to realize it.

I've never posted a story about a freak snow storm or record low temperatures. I would certainly never offer them up as undeniable proof that the climate isn't changing.

Again. Please stop thinking you've got me all figured out.

And the article you linked attributed that to ARTIFICAL SNOW and "unseasonalable" weather, Dufus.

And the article Rcade posted alludes to ski season being shorter by one day, each year, despite the technolgy...yet here we were with one of the earliest seasons ever just last month.

Each year, the ski season gets one day shorter -- despite dramatic improvements in snow making technology, according to the National Ski Areas Association.

So you don't know if putting 27 billion tons of CO2 into the air every year while cutting down 800,000 acres of forest has an effect on the climate?

No. I don't. I don't because I'm not a climate scientist and I don't pretend to understand the science involved. It's why I tend to avoid these threads. Generally, when I voice my opinion that we don't really know all of the facts and that our understanding of the climate is based on limited knowledge...I'm accused of being a flat earther by some dick who thinks he's got it all figured out.

In short. Fuck you.

"Ooo, someone get Vernon!

Joe's posting links to "unseasonable", "record" weather patterns as evidence all is well with the climate.

#11 | Posted by BluSky"

Dad! Can you come down to the basement? Someone wants your take on something!

Joe

"Kirkwood is a very special place, and we should be treating it better."

I spent a couple of years working in the casinos in Lake Tahoe and actually lived in Kirkwood for a few months. These people are for the most part wealthy folks who don't believe in conservation, but the laws there are very strict on what you can and cannot do with the land. The conservation efforts have backfired unfortunately due to global warming there. The problem is that bark beetles infested the trees because of the warmer winters and 30% of the trees are now dying there, but the people were not allowed to cut them down until recently. If they did, they could use the dead trees for fuel and save the forest from the inevitable fires that took so much of the areas trees in 2007 (a record heat wave year), but these same people are too lazy to cut fire wood and prefer slow burning hardwood anyway. Sometimes you just can't make rich people see the fallacy of their existence.

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It's why I tend to avoid these threads.
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I'd hate to see Axiom on a thread that s/he doesn't tend to avoid.

** Ski Resort Takes Action on Global Warming **

.......Waterslide Now Open.!!.........

and I don't pretend to understand the science involved

You pretend enough to call others "chicken little" for accepting the prevailing theory.

But no! You're not a scientists so you can't understand data or a scientist's conclusion. You can only blindly reject it.

Without being a politician or tax expert you can pretend to understand tax policy related to the climate. You can pretend an understanding when a conclusion meets your pre-set standards: "the climate has always changed".

How do you know the climate has always changed? You're not a paleoclimatologist. Without an advanced degree in thermodynamics, how do you figure out how to boil water?

Kirkwood has mostly North facing slopes. Longest season in the Tahoe area. A strange place to start.

#28 | Posted by Zatoichi

My guess would be that the Nasca believed that a free market would sort out all of their problems, and later believed that their impending demise was a punishment by a deity, for their sins.

LOL! What a waste of time and money!

They should buy a better snow making machine!

They're probably going to get a tax credit for the equipment.

I'd hate to see Axiom on a thread that s/he doesn't tend to avoid.

Look at any other thread on the subject, compare it to this one. Get back to me with the results.

You can only blindly reject it.

I've never rejected it. I'm skeptical because the only thing being offered up as a solution are unworkable and unrealistic. That's not even taking into account the vast money making scams that are putting more money into the pockets of the already filthy rich and expectation of the little guy to make drastic changes to his lifestyle while the likes of Al Gore jet set across the globe and continue to do the things they admonish the rest of us for.

Alright, I'm here to tell you once and for all that, man has diddly dip shit squat thhhhrpp to do with global warming. Now, figure out how it is going to effect you and make the necessary arrangements to where you don not experience any adverse outcomes.
Now see, is'nt that better than shitting yourselves, adding unnecessarily to your carbon shit print on the planet? Or, stealing money from hard working Americans, that will do nothing more than line liberal coffers, you assholes just have to realize that throwing money at problems actually makes them worse, especially when you are a liberal.
quinko du, man, quinko du!

Anyone builds a multi-million dollar business and gambles on the weather to cooperate and produce snow in order to profit a great business is not very smart any way...

...you assholes just have to realize that throwing money at problems actually makes them worse...

Tell that to the bankers when the loans come due.

Spoken like a true rightnut, knows everything in the universe, but doesn't have a clue how to run a business these days.

Anyone builds a multi-million dollar business and gambles on the weather to cooperate and produce snow in order to profit a great business is not very smart any way...

Another nut case without a clue.

When the resorts were built, the weather had been stable for thousands of years. Climate change is a fairly recent development and moving much faster then anyone ever imagined a hundred years ago. In 50 years there may not even be an icepack in the Sierras. Skiing will be done in a modified coal mine.

When the resorts were built, the weather had been stable for thousands of years. Climate change is a fairly recent development and moving much faster then anyone ever imagined a hundred years ago. In 50 years there may not even be an icepack in the Sierras. Skiing will be done in a modified coal mine.

#45 | Posted by RingMaster at 2009-11-03 04:19 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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This may be the dumbest thing ever uttered. period. Not on this site. ANYWHERE.

The climate has been stable for thousands of years? Really? Do you just ignore what scientists call the "mini ice age" that occurred for a few centuries around 1400-1700? Really? That's just a statistical anamoly and is irrelevant?

You just ignore that the earth throughout its history has shown patterns of warmth....then cold..then warmth..then cold...then warmth..then cold....then warmth....

see the pattern here?

The FACT is the earth has been FAR hotter than it is right now, and it has been FAR colder. It will be far hotter again...and it will be far colder again.

Be a good steward of the environment by recycling, not wasting water, not dumping poisons, and etc...

but to think that climate change is a "fairly recent development" is to have such a myopic view of history is stunningly stupid.

stunningly.

Each year, the ski season gets one day shorter.

So what? Raise your rates. It's a market like any other. Short supply, High demand = High return. Unless this BS and your just looking for your share of the Green Energy funds. I don't know you can justify it but I'm sure someone will figure out how to take money from the taxpayers and give it to ski resort owners. Where do you think this will end?

...the weather had been stable for thousands of years. Climate change is a fairly recent development...
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Please define "stable" and "fairly recent." I ask because terms like "Ice Ages" and "Pleistocene Extinctions" keep rolling around in my noggin.

Good luck with that Ski Resort...

Unfortunately the Oil Companies have started yet
another series multi-million dollar add campaigns chalked full of misleading disinformation--
and of course, are blaming it all on Obama...

the scary $4.00 a gallon gas commercial, blaming it
on Green Energy policies (Obama wont raise the price of gas people, the oil companies will to further bilk your
wallet, and use Obama as a Scapegoat in the process to
get the lack of change in energy policy that they want),
and then there's the commercial about Green Energy
policies costing 2 million jobs (Obama wont shed those
jobs people, the corporations will to "enhance their
bottom line" for their investors, once again using Obama
as their scapegoat)...

More Sponge soaking material for the Believe it All Mob
Rule Rightwing Sheeple...people are sooooooooooooooo
fricking stupid. Bill Maher was absolutely right.

By the time the Right figures out that Joe the Plumber
and Joe Nascar really dont know as much about weather
trends or the environment as the guy with the Ph.D and
over 15 years studying the subject, it will be too damn
late to prevent what's coming...

But then again, when has Western Society had the Foresight
to look further down the road than 3-5 years?

I really hate the whole global warming/climate change debate because nothing is more destructive than political polarization. I think protecting the environment is important enough in and of itself to justify strict environmental control over industry. All industries.

My solution to the whole mess: Raise the environmental bar up very high, no compromises, no loopholes, and challenge the best business minds to find ways to make their tremendous profits in ways that support the ecological systems. The lazy deadwood will get out of the game and the best and most innovative will prosper.

And everyone wins in the end.

'I'm accused of being a flat earther by some dick who thinks he's got it all figured out.

In short. Fuck you.'

#31 | Posted by Axiom

Wow I guess the Flat Earth argument got thru to her?!

'I've never rejected it. I'm skeptical because the only thing being offered up as a solution are unworkable and unrealistic.'

#41 | Posted by Axiom

Wow it would cost the average American household a WHOLE 100 dollars if Cap and Trade are enacted?

How much IS clean water and clean Air WORTH to you?

What I read here is the standard RIGHT WING response to social issues - deny there is an issue then immediately jump to GET OVER IT AND DEAL WITH IT when they finally are forced to admit the problem.

You complain there IS no problem, then when forced to confront that there IS ACTUALLY a problem you then complain about the solution.

You don't care for the solution being proposed - to resolve the issue you never wanted to admit existed to begin with!!

You don't care for the solution being proposed - to resolve the issue you never wanted to admit existed to begin with!!

#51 | Posted by Monstman

Well actually, the right wing likes to see some consistency with what the supposed problem is. 15 years ago, the left was crying about Nuclear Winter and we had to act fast. They were also crying about acid rain, and did not like it that Reagan insisted on a study to get the facts.

Throw in all the "impending doom" scenarios the left gets so excited about (Alar is killing us, eggs are bad for you, red meat is bad for you etc) most of which turn out to not be true (like red meat is only bad if you eat all the fat), but the left never admits it, they are already onto the next imminent disaster and don't have time to talk about "old news".

Then, when we can agree on the problem, the right likes the solution to be market based. Not government run. You see, when you tax more and more for every persieved problem, what you end up doing is empoverishing the nation. Poor people make very poor stuards of the planet.

The left meanwhile is proposing new taxes to support more government (which has a very poor track record of succeeding at anything).

The day is coming soon when the nut left will suddenly stop talking about global warming and climate change, shift to a new "crisis" and tax/spend based on that. Any reminder of the global warming scam will get a furious response and be called hate speech.

I can't see why anyone questions the reality of Global Warming.

Right after explaining why WTC3 collapsed, NIST wrote the paper on Global Warming.

Since the effects of Global Warming cannot be reversed for AT LEAST 1000 years I really DOUBT your scenario there DiaBLOW.

Marty remembers Nuclear Winter but apparently does not recall what the concept means.

'Then, when we can agree on the problem, the right likes the solution to be market based.'

#52 | Posted by Marty

What part of CAP AND TRADE did you not understand? It is a MARKET BASED approach.

I continue to see you complain about the solution. Are you still a denier? If not WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION or can you only bitch?!

ABH, I said thousands of years you empty headed moron. The little ice age you mentioned was a climate fluctuation of a few degrees, not a complete reversal. I'm sure you heard many more dumber things listening to Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck.

ABH, I said thousands of years you empty headed moron. The little ice age you mentioned was a climate fluctuation of a few degrees, not a complete reversal. I'm sure you heard many more dumber things listening to Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck.

#56 | Posted by RingMaster at 2009-11-03 01:25 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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And thereby proving the climate was NOT stable in the time period you chose. Thank you, imbecile, for proving my point.

I also love how you like that you choose the last few thousand years, which is what? 1/10,000th of a percent of the earths age, to make generalized statements about weather patterns.

Way to go.

The bottom line is the earths atmosphere and weather have NEVER been stagnant, and never WILL be stagnant. Or do you deny that their have been ice ages followed by periods of extreme warmth?

If you do deny that, I am guessing you are one of those wacky right wing nut jobs that believes the earth is 6000 years old?

How is that working out for you?