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Um - No words to describe this. Just very sad.

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Um - No words to describe this. Just very sad.
......Posted by ELCIDCE90

.....you despise people for their poverty and need.....

......another pro-life Christian no doubt......

.....I always wonder about the schizophrenia of American Christians, that they can be so cruel to the poor, yet see themselves as rightous.........

Back in the day people actually HAD to pay their own phone bills. We just signed up for verizon. Right now Blackberry Curves are buy one, get one free AND a $100 rebate!

Skizz....a cell phone is NOT a necessity.

How did these elderly ever survive before the advent of cell phones?

Tell that to someone with health problems Lisa.

Skizz....a cell phone is NOT a necessity.
#4 | Posted by Lisa

They can make you more efficient though.

Fuck the god damn poor mother fuckers.

Why are we providing them with Cell phones? I bet those societal leaches have no problem paying for cable or satellite.

"Skizz....a cell phone is NOT a necessity".

Well then why don't you donate your phone to a poor person? You just admitted you don't need it.

Well Larry, if that were the case and someone has that many health problems, why would they need a cell phone?

They should have a nurse and be homebound don't ya think??

Sorry....I would much rather see the government help the poor with health care, heating, rent assistance, food...than I would a cell phone.

If I was ever in a situation where I needed to cut back, the first thing that would go would be my cell phone.

It is NOT a necessity.

#7 - Efficient at WHAT? Dealing drugs?

"They can make you more efficient though."

HC:

Chances are if they are that ill and would need to be able to contact a physician or hospital in short time, chances are they wouldn't be traveling alone to begin with, therefore, that person will most likely be someone with a phone readily available.

I guess calling for assistance for medical issues and being able to call for help when You travel isn't a necessity to You Lisa but I have had relatives older relatives rely upon a Cell Phone while going places and doing things. Most were elderly but some had health issues and not everyone with health issues should be required to stay at home 24/7

Larry

"Well then why don't you donate your phone to a poor person? You just admitted you don't need it."

Do not think I don't help others Null. I do....with the things they absolutely NEED. And they are more than happy.

Larry...would you rather see these people with food or a cell phone??

Geesh!!!

Nice Strawman Lisa

If I couldn't afford a cell phone Larry, I wouldn't have one!!!

If your relatives were in such a need for a cell phone, why didn't your family kick in and provide one if you were so worried about them???

You don't seem to mind if my money goes to provide cell phones for those who can't afford one...why not your family?

You just haven't lived until you see a homeless person talking on a cell phone.

We donate our old cell phones and accessories to the military.

#1 | Posted by skizziks at 2009-11-02 10:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

I guess I missed the whole part in the constitution about guarenteeing the right TO A FUCKING CELL PHONE. I guess the personal jet is only a few steps away now. Your a shithead - yeah the ad hominem is on purpose so fire away.

"Nice Strawman Lisa"

Nice deflection. : )

Larry - if more people used their cellphones as a tool rather than a toy, perhaps more people COULD afford them. Our two have proven themselves to be responsible cell owners so we've upgraded for them - if they want extras outside our plan, they are to go directly to the store and pay for those extras.

It is not that expensive to purchase a tracfone or have a hundred or so minutes on it at all times - the phone is only $19.95 plus tax and a plan for a 100 minutes a month is only $9.99.

We aren't all rich Lisa. I am sorry You don't understand this. Oh and it wasn't a deflection. We are talking about people with medical conditions needing a lifeline to medical assistance and 911.

Larry

Skizz....a cell phone is NOT a necessity.
......#4 | Posted by Lisa

....when unemployed people go looking for work, but cannot afford a phone, how is the employer supposed to reach them ?......

......the employer will simply call back the applicant with a phone........

.....old sick people on small social security checks barely able to make rent, that can't afford a phone?......

.....what I find ironic is that it's always the Christians who begrudge the poor whatever small benefits they get......

.....I guess they come from the sect of a more stingy and begrudging Jesus......

Larry - we have elderly neighbors who already have the LifeAlert system through medicare - they PAY for their own cells.

I'm not rich, Larry.

But you are ok with everyone else kicking in to provide those phones but can' help them out as a family??

As Nanc suggested...if the phones are needed for emergencies, they wouldn't go over the 100 minutes that cost $9.99.

Your family can't kick in a buck each??

I DO understand Larry. I understand that there are other options that won't cost ALL of us.

Screw poor people. If they want to talk to somebody they can just learn to shout.

--Christians

Yeah lifealert works when they are on the road right Nanc?? Rolls eyes.

#25 - that's bee ess and you know it! Jesus multiplied the fish and loaves and went on His way - He knew people would like for Him to continue feeding them - They were ignorant of the message.

see my #22, Larry.

"....when unemployed people go looking for work, but cannot afford a phone, how is the employer supposed to reach them ?......"

Ummm...how about their house phone???

"......the employer will simply call back the applicant with a phone........"

That is untrue. They will leave a message for the applicant to call back. I've done plenty of hiring in my lifetime to know that!

".....old sick people on small social security checks barely able to make rent, that can't afford a phone?......"

There are programs to help with rent assistance, heating assistance, etc. for those who make that little money.

".....what I find ironic is that it's always the Christians who begrudge the poor whatever small benefits they get...."

Do not DARE tell ME that I begrudge the poor of things they actually NEED!!

You have no idea what my husband and I do to help the poor!!!! There have been many times that I sacrifice myself to give.

We have helped serve the poor. And recently we have begun to do what is needed to set up a recovery home for addicts, to help them.

Seems to me, you hate Christians but rely on our generosity to make the world go round.

Funny that.

Yeah lifealert works when they are on the road right Nanc?

Thus the use of callboxes and payphones.

Cell Phones are nice and convienient, but by no means an necessity. Any arguement used here could also justify the need for a car in today's word, but then that would call for free gas so they could drive them, and free auto insurance too.

"Do not think I don't help others Null. I do....with the things they absolutely NEED. And they are more than happy."

Oh I bet they're ecstatic whenever some nice hypocritical Christian lady strokes her ego and throws them a few crumbs.

"Screw poor people. If they want to talk to somebody they can just learn to shout.

--Christians"

Null...read my response to Skizz....and then kiss my butt!! : )

nice hypocritical Christian lady strokes her ego and throws them a few crumbs.

The hypocritical Christian would give the person everything and make them a dependent. The honest Christian would give them a few crumbs and teach them not to need the help.

Give a man a fish and he eats for a day; teach him how to fish and he eats forever.

#34

Here's the thing NULL...people ARE happy to get the things they need to survive.

I fail to see how a cell phone is a necessity for anyone. It's an extra in life.

And just because I see it as that, does not mean that I am hypocritical nor does it mean that I do not help out those less fortunate than myself....and we are not rolling in dough either. But I give.

What you also fail to realize is that I don't give to receive any kind of glory. My donations are anonymous. They never know where it is coming from.

While you place ME on the hot seat...what have YOU done for your fellow man?

Seems to me you can sacrifice some of that pot you smoke and go purchase a phone for one that you feel needs the help, if you feel that strongly about it.

Yeah great idea a callbox of a cellphone when they are having a heart attack on some lonely stretch of blacktop stuck in their car. Yeah if only He or She was closer to a callbox or cellphone they would be alive today. ROLLS EYES.

Larry

#36

Nice post Kan!

Nit bad for a Jew, huh? =D

Laterz this thread turned disheartening fast.

Larry....stop making excuses.

I worked at a YMCA when a member had a heart attack.

Many qualified people were there at that very moment to help him.

He died in the locker room.

When it's our time to go, it's our time to go no matter what the circumstances.

"Nit bad for a Jew, huh? =D"

Not bad at all, sweetie!!

And I'd love ya know matter what faith you were!!!

Do not DARE tell ME that I begrudge the poor of things they actually NEED!!
........#32 | Posted by Lisa

......you are begrudging a cell phone that could mean a job, or be a life-saver to the sick, I am not telling you, you are telling me.......

......but it's not just you Lisa, all the Christians here are like that, care about people before they are born, then heck with them after.....

.......like I said, they seem to be Christians of a lesser Christ.....

When I read the NT (King James for the record), I dug what Jesus said and I remember thinking many times while reading it "it is a shame most Christians never read this book."

..like I said, they seem to be Christians of a lesser Christ.....

I don't totally agree, but I LOVE the term "Christians of a Lesser Christ." Is that original and may I borrow it?

"....when unemployed people go looking for work, but cannot afford a phone, how is the employer supposed to reach them ?......"
Ummm...how about their house phone???

......what makes you think they have a house phone ?......

......they would not get the welfare cell-phone, if they already had a house phone......

"Laterz this thread turned disheartening fast."

Larry....I love you to pieces!!! But you have got to get out of the mindset that this government should be expected to do nothing but give free hand outs for things that are not necessary. Food, shelter, heating, health care...all are necessities and SHOULD be part of what our governement helps with. Cell phones...not so much.

There are so many other ways to rectify what you are concerned about.

Personally, I want the government OUT of my life....not involved in it more than they all ready are. They screw up everything they touch. Why people want them to be involved in more of our lives is beyond me!!

Will anyone address this point please: Any argument used here could also justify the need for a car in today's word, but then that would call for free gas so they could drive them, and free auto insurance too.

Is that original and may I borrow it?

#46 | Posted by kanrei

......yes Kanrei.....it is original and you may borrow it......

......there was a book & film entitled Children of a Lesser God, about deaf people a while back.....

.....when I was young, I was a Christian, but I do not recognize the meaness of these people as the Christians I knew, nor their stingy Christ as the Christ that I was taught about........

Your a shithead - yeah the ad hominem is on purpose so fire away.
.......#20 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

.....no need......

.....you've explained everything about yourself that we need to know.......

".....you are begrudging a cell phone that could mean a job, or be a life-saver to the sick, I am not telling you, you are telling me......."

They can have a cell phone, Skizz. Let their family kick in for it. I never said they couldn't have one...geesh!

"......but it's not just you Lisa, all the Christians here are like that, care about people before they are born, then heck with them after....."

In typical fashion, you ignore what I have posted. So many Christians help the less fortunate in sooooo many ways. Just because we don't go bragging about them, doesn't mean those acts aren't being done.

".......like I said, they seem to be Christians of a lesser Christ....."

You seem to not know that we are to feed, give drink, cloak those in need. That is what Christ did. That is what Christ expects us to do.

To sit on your throne of judgement and criticize when you do not know, shows ignorance, Skizz.

What have YOU done to help your fellow man??

"You just haven't lived until you see a homeless person talking on a cell phone."
#18 | Posted by mysterytoy

People on state assistance have Blackberries.

I don't need to justify myself to you Skizz.

God knows what I have done, what I am currently doing and what I will be doing in the future to help those in need.

Better to look guilty in the eyes of man, than it is to look guilty in the eyes of God.

Think what ya want.

What have YOU done to help your fellow man??
.....#52 | Posted by Lisa

......right now I am advocating for public money for cell phones for the unemployed and the sick.......

.....and you ?....

......are advocating for the opposite......

....that's what I find ironic here, Lisa......

....I am one of the atheists here, but I am always advocating the Christian thing to do, in opposition to the hard line Christians.....

"You just haven't lived until you see a homeless person talking on a cell phone."
#18 | Posted by mysterytoy

.......well if they're homeless.......

.....then a land line is not going to do them much good, now is it ?........

Some awful greedy fucks in here. I have no problem having my taxes go towards them getting a phone. Not just for health but security too. They might need to report a prowler or a whole host of other things. No wonder I denounce Xtians. They seem to only care about themselves.

Benny describes the case against charity very well here. He doesn't agree with it, but describes it fairly.

Works of charity [and] almsgiving are in effect a way for the rich to shirk their obligation to work for justice and a means for soothing their consciences, while preserving their own status and robbing the poor of their rights. Instead of contributing through individual works of charity to maintaining the status quo, we need to build a just social order in which all will receive their share of the world's goods and no longer have to depend on charity."

--Pope Benny

www.philanthropyroundtable.org

LOL

So simply blogging on a site that actually does NOTHING to help your fellow man, is your idea of helping those in need, Skizz????

What a hoot!!!

Come back to me and tell my I'm hypocritical once you actually lend a helping hand, or pay someone's heating bill so they actually don't freeze, or pay someone's rent so they don't get evicted, or help out at a food kitchen, or any other numerous things.

Until then...you are what you despise.

Lisa you have shown no proof of your good works only words.

I'd like to know what the fuck this is costing. A cell phone is no necessity of life. There are charities who can help with this kind of shit. Not our tax dollars when we're running record deficits. This IS bullshit, notwithstanding what the fucking ninnies are saying in here.

There would be no need for charities if we had a social order that everybody benefited from. Charities are a cop out. It's a way of getting out of paying your fair share of taxes.

So simply blogging on a site that actually does NOTHING to help your fellow man
......#60 | Posted by Lisa

.......ideas and their promotion are the start of everything........

.......I have not called you a hypocrite, just typical of the "Christians" here who advocate against helping the poor, and who begrudge any public benefit given to them........

Where is Jeffin when he would be entertaining? Sigh, I guess I'll do it...

THIS IS A GOVERNMENT TRICK TO GET GPS DEVICES IN EVERY AMERICAN'S POSSESSION SO THEY CAN TRACK YOU LEMMINGS! HAHAHA

Or do you think it would be more of the:

THIS IS OBAMA'S SECRET PLOY TO SPREAD BRAIN TUMORS AND THEN, UNDER OBAMACARE, THEY WILL START LOBOTOMIZING PEOPLE!

I apologize Skizz. It was Null who posted about hypocricy.

"ideas and their promotion are the start of everything"

And physcial action makes them a reality.

I can sit and discuss wanting to build a house all day long, but it isn't going to make it a reality unless I put the actual effort into it.

Sorry Skizz....sitting around on a blog criticizing Christians isn't going to achieve the goal you think you are heading for.

It's amazing how upset some people will get when they learn that a group of other people, who already live a pretty damn meager existence, might get something for nothing.

THIS IS OBAMA'S SECRET PLOY TO SPREAD BRAIN TUMORS AND THEN, UNDER OBAMACARE, THEY WILL START LOBOTOMIZING PEOPLE!

#65 | Posted by kanrei

......lobotomizing most Americans would be a redundancy......

"THIS IS OBAMA'S SECRET PLOY TO SPREAD BRAIN TUMORS AND THEN, UNDER OBAMACARE, THEY WILL START LOBOTOMIZING PEOPLE!"

You might be on to something.

sitting around on a blog criticizing Christians isn't going to achieve the goal you think you are heading for.

#66 | Posted by Lisa

.....I'm not criticizing the Christians, I am criticizing their callousness, and hoping that a flicker of thought sparks in some darkness somewhere and someone says "yeah, maybe it would be better if we gave more help to those who are unable to help themselves"......

......a tide starting with a ripple........

......just doing what I can......

"It's amazing how upset some people will get when they learn that a group of other people, who already live a pretty damn meager existence, might get something for nothing."

I am 100% in favor of those who need help, receive it....for things they absolutely NEED.

A cell phone isn't one of them.

"....I'm not criticizing the Christians, I am criticizing their callousness, and hoping that a flicker of thought sparks in some darkness somewhere and someone says "yeah, maybe it would be better if we gave more help to those who are unable to help themselves"......

......a tide starting with a ripple........

......just doing what I can......"

Tell ya what....if you think that I'm callous because I choose to help those in need by way of paying bills for them, paying their rent for them, giving them food, teaching them to help themselves....then so be it.

Again I say to you....better to look guilty in the eyes of man, than it is to look guilty in the eyes of God.

#68 | Posted by skizziks - and for leftistas absotively unnecessary.

One of the reasons I do this, is because as a child, I lived under Communism in eastern Europe, and it was not the guns that kept that system going, it was the lies.

The lies went unchallenged, because they had become conventional wisdom, and to challenge them meant invoking strong countermeasures.

I never want that to happen here, but we have been skirting close to a heartless, totalitarian system in the past decade. One of the lies, is that the poor are poor because they 'deserve' to be poor. Religion, pop culture, social mythology are all brought to bear on poverty as an individual, self-made state of being, richly deserved for one's faulty actions. And not as a by-product of our military-industrial complex, because if our society caused it, then it may be asked to fix it.

Better to hate the poor and make them responsible for all aspects of their poverty. Such double-think is even made possible in spite of the fact that the majority religion is Christianity. Christians are socialized to act as anti-Christians, in hating the poor, and not working for institutional reforms that could reduce levels of poverty.

#68 | Posted by skizziks - and for leftistas absotively unnecessary.
......#73 | Posted by nanc

......you are repeating myself.......

.....but yes Nanc.....you would exempt from the mandatory lobotomies.......

.....I'm not criticizing the Christians, I am criticizing their callousness, and hoping that a flicker of thought sparks in some darkness somewhere and someone says "yeah, maybe it would be better if we gave more help to those who are unable to help themselves"......

......a tide starting with a ripple........

......just doing what I can......

#70 | Posted by skizziks

That's how it started. A ripple of compassion turned into a flood of entitlement programs. Now, instead of people being grateful for the generosity of others think their entitled to have everything everyone else has. Now you think it's owed to you.

"Christians are socialized to act as anti-Christians, in hating the poor, and not working for institutional reforms that could reduce levels of poverty."

That's a lie, Skizz.

And a pathetic attempt to once again criticize something that YOU hate.

I think Cuz Skiz was talking about the people where he lived as a child.... but as he so often paints all theists with such a broad brush of evil and corruption, it's hard to tell.

That's how it started. A ripple of compassion turned into a flood of entitlement programs.
......#76 | Posted by STIRSUMUP

.....of all the industrialized world......

....America is the least generous in welfare and unemployment programs, and in labor legislation for workers.......

.....this is just part of the propaganda that you have swallowed.......

......up until the recession started, we had very few non-workers anyways, we had 5 % unemployment, which for practical purposes is full employment, there were no giant pools of layabouts........

......it was the greed heads on Wall street that caused this recession that threw tens of millions out of work, and out of their homes.....they did not ask to be unemployed........

.......Wall Street was saved by socialist intervention and the workers were fucked.......

......socialize the loss.....privatize the gain........

......the rich win, the working people are fucked......

"A cell phone isn't one of them."

That's where you'd be wrong.

There's hardly an independent contractor, at any income level, who could find work or remain in business without a cell phone.

Christians by in large view the poor as lazy. They offer charity as the cure all but charity only gives enough assistance to keep the poor needing more charity. Changing society is the only way to allow the poor the opportunity to get ahead. Higher taxes and social programs is a key component to leveling the playing field.

That's a lie, Skizz.
......#77 | Posted by Lisa

.....you may disagree with it Lisa, but it's not a lie......

......you are a good person, one day it will dawn on you......

it's hard to tell.
........#78 | Posted by Corky

.....it's here too Corky......

.....does it not strike you as odd that I am advocating the 'Christian' way, and the Christians are begrudging a tiny welfare program that helps the poor ?.......

Christian or not, it leaves a bad taste when you share what you have earned and the recipient feels it is your job to take care of them. That attitude and the institutionalization of it is what breeds the resentment of the poor.

"There's hardly an independent contractor, at any income level, who could find work or remain in business without a cell phone."

Yeah, but if they had cell phones and found jobs they wouldn't be dependent on Christian "charity". Can't let that happen.

Christians by in large view the poor as lazy. They offer charity as the cure all but charity only gives enough assistance to keep the poor needing more charity. Changing society is the only way to allow the poor the opportunity to get ahead. Higher taxes and social programs is a key component to leveling the playing field.
.......#81 | Posted by jackass

.....agreed.......

.....but......in other societies, taxes are viewed as infrastructure investment.......

.....here.....taxes are viewed as a four letter word........the only strong infrastructure in America is the military......the rest of it, backward and sliding......

....there are strong elements of the oligarchy that are pushing to Mexicanize America, and to some degree, they are succeeding.......

Christians by in large view the poor as lazy. They offer charity as the cure all but charity only gives enough assistance to keep the poor needing more charity. Changing society is the only way to allow the poor the opportunity to get ahead. Higher taxes and social programs is a key component to leveling the playing field.

#81 | Posted by jackass

It's not our society that needs changing, it's yours. If your fathers would attempt to keep their families together and work toward a common purpose you might get somewhere in a generation or two. Look to yourselves to solve some of your own problems.

Christian or not, it leaves a bad taste when you share what you have earned .....it is what breeds the resentment of the poor.
.......#84 | Posted by STIRSUMUP

......do you not see the paradox.?.......

"There's hardly an independent contractor, at any income level, who could find work or remain in business without a cell phone."

Dad...you are comparing apples to oranges here.

Of course one who is in business needs a cell phone. We are not talking about people who are in business.

Money is better spent for the people we ARE talking about to help them keep a roof over their heads, food on their tables, utilities up and running, job training, etc.

It's not our society that needs changing, it's yours. If your fathers would attempt to keep their families together and work toward a common purpose you might get somewhere in a generation or two. Look to yourselves to solve some of your own problems.
......#87 | Posted by STIRSUMUP

......I am white, live in Florida, with a university degree and a good job.......

.......but yes.....OUR society does need changing, lots of it.......

.....we are sliding on every world human development index, health, education, social mobility, workers incomes.......

......if we don't address the slide, it will continue , I'm betting that the oligarchy wants us down in the Mexico levels, so don't be complacent, Stirsumup, or your children and grandchildren will have fewer and fewer prospects......

Hard to get a job if they have no working phone. A cell phone means they don't miss their opportunity to get their chance. Temp Jobs are first come first serve. You miss the call you don't work that week.

"you may disagree with it Lisa, but it's not a lie......"

Look Skizz, I don't know how you were raised but in none of my upbringing, none of my religious instruction ever taught me to HATE the poor!!! I'm almost 50 years old and if it was being taught, I would have heard of it.

We are taught to love ALL. To help the poor.

Just because you claim Christians hate the poor and that is YOUR belief, doesn't make it true!!!!

".....you are a good person"

Well, thank you.

" one day it will dawn on you"

It will never "dawn" on me that we hate the poor.

You stupid shits love having the poor and stupid under your goberment's thumb, that way they keep voting for dumbocrats.

How will these poor stupid fucks get to the job interview or work with out a car? What about a good nights rest? Let's get them a temperpedic bed while we're at it?

All cell phones can dial 911 without a service, so STFU larry. There are enough used cell phones out there that every man, woman, and child could own 10.

......if we don't address the slide, it will continue , I'm betting that the oligarchy wants us down in the Mexico levels, so don't be complacent, Stirsumup, or your children and grandchildren will have fewer and fewer prospects......

#90 | Posted by skizziks

I'm not complacent. I addressing the issues I feel are at the root of the problem. I've been poor. I've seen the attitude that people who are comfortable being poor have. Change that and you'll have accomplished something.

.....you've explained everything about yourself that we need to know.......

#51 | Posted by skizziks at 2009-11-02 11:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

As have you. The absolutely ludicrous idea that it would be impossible to obtain a job without a cell phone is beyond words. Your a fool and an idiot. 99% of the people ever employed in the history of mankind was informed of their employment by means other than a cell phone. Your part of the problem - you so called former Christian. Quit being part of the problem and start being part of the solution!

It will never "dawn" on me that we hate the poor.
....#92 | Posted by Lisa

........trust me.......

....one day it will dawn on you that you have been socialized to marginalize the poor......to think that the poor are poor because they are getting what they deserve, not because they got sick, the economy tanked, or Americans would rather invest in jails than proper schools.......

.....I know you are not taking my word for it today, and that's ok., but you show more intellectual flexibility here, than some of the hopelessly rigid knobs, so I know you will......there's no rush....

Your a fool and an idiot.
.....#95 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

.....why thank you.....

(see Lisa, why I keep thinking that I am the Christian on this site, surrounded by judgemental, unforgiving, people haters)

As have you. The absolutely ludicrous idea that it would be impossible to obtain a job without a cell phone is beyond words. Your a fool and an idiot. 99% of the people ever employed in the history of mankind was informed of their employment by means other than a cell phone. Your part of the problem - you so called former Christian. Quit being part of the problem and start being part of the solution!

#95 | Posted by ELCIDCE90 at 2009-11-02 01:11 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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.....we are sliding on every world human development index, health, education, social mobility, workers incomes.......

......if we don't address the slide, it will continue , I'm betting that the oligarchy wants us down in the Mexico levels, so don't be complacent, Stirsumup, or your children and grandchildren will have fewer and fewer prospects......

#90 | Posted by skizziks at 2009-11-02 01:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes, and providing the poor everything and not have them learn the value of something earned helps this situation how? QUIT BEING PART OF THE FUCKING PROBLEM SKINHEAD. The oligarchy - at least the libtard oligarchy - NEEDS us to be down to the level of Mexico to maintain their voting base.

Change that and you'll have accomplished something.
....#94 | Posted by STIRSUMUP

....invest more in education and you can change that......

......but that means higher taxes......if everyone realizes that more tax money going to education could help elevate the entire society, maybe more people would be more generous regarding taxes and less selfish........

Yes, and providing the poor everything
............#99 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

......where do you live ?......

......we are providing them practically nothing here....

....there are thousands of homeless families here in Tampa and the county won't even let them put up tents.....they're living on the streets and in their old beat up cars......

#97 | Posted by skizziks at 2009-11-02 01:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes, there is no reason why sane people should become incited by your rationale. There is no reason sane people should become incited by your continuance of bringing the country down. There is no reason sane people should become incited by your constant rants against their religious beliefs and calling same into question. Yeah, I may have to go to confession over my anger, but you will probably have to answer to so much more.

The poor DESERVE a helping hand up - you and your libtard friends think that the not so poor DESERVE a helping hand DOWN. Robin Hood you ain't. Keep your hands out of my pocket book. As Lisa has already stated, you have no idea what people do in terms of Charity.

The oligarchy - at least the libtard oligarchy - NEEDS us to be down to the level of Mexico to maintain their voting base.
........#99 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

......I am not beating the drum for either party....

....but yes......the rich in this country would be more comfortable if there were no middle class here at all......just maids, cooks, farm hands, and gardeners....and they are working to reduce us to that......

....your aversion to the poor is an indicator that you have swallowed the propaganda......and no...I am not part of the problem.....but your attitude is......

....invest more in education and you can change that......

......but that means higher taxes......if everyone realizes that more tax money going to education could help elevate the entire society, maybe more people would be more generous regarding taxes and less selfish........

#100 | Posted by skizziks at 2009-11-02 01:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Another bullshit libtard idea - when was the last time WE DID NOT INVEST MORE IN EDUCATION? How about, get the fucking parents to help their kids with homework - participate in their development? Never the first idea presented by a libtard - takes too much control away from the state thereby taking away future voters.

Yeah, I may have to go to confession over my anger,
#102 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

....no need.....I forgive you......

Posted for a THIRD time:

Will anyone address this point please: Any argument used here could also justify the need for a car in today's word, but then that would call for free gas so they could drive them, and free auto insurance too.

Posted by kanrei at 2009-11-02 11:32 AM

There is no reason sane people should become incited by your continuance of bringing the country down.
#102 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

......I am not "bringing the country down"......

....but there are very powerful people working to lower our standard of living, to bring us in line with Mexico......

......if people don't speak up about it, how will we ever stop it ?........

Another bullshit libtard idea - when was the last time WE DID NOT INVEST MORE IN EDUCATION? How about, get the fucking parents to help their kids with homework - participate in their development? Never the first idea presented by a libtard - takes too much control away from the state thereby taking away future voters.

#104 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

You can't ask poor parents to take responsibility for raising their kids properly...that would be insinuating that in some way, they ARE responsible for raising them or that they aren't doing it right. It might offend them.

Another bullshit libtard idea - when was the last time WE DID NOT INVEST MORE IN EDUCATION? How about, get the fucking parents to help their kids with homework - participate in their development? .......#104 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

.....I don't disagree with parental responsibility.....

...but our public schools are failing, and if we don't invest in them, our lack of educated work force will cause our standard of living to drop...

......taxes are infrastructure investment......and because many like you have been socialized to believe that taxes are evil....we will continue to have a deficit in our infrasture investment.....and our decline will continue.....

.....now it was you that said I am "talking the country down"....do you not see, that, I want us to invest in our future, while you want to save a few extra bucks in taxes at the end of the year?.......

......your shortsightedness is assisting the Oligarchy in the Mexicanization of America.....

the rich in this country would be more comfortable if there were no middle class here at all......just maids, cooks, farm hands, and gardeners....and they are working to reduce us to that......

Can you provide more on this? I understand the greed of the wealthy and such but I personally think the wealthy in this country NEED a middle class.

I don't see how destroying the middle class will really help them.

#106 | Posted by kanrei

In my county social services covers the taxi fairs for working parents, to and from work, doctors visits ect. I think it's fine for a while. But eventually You need to get your shit in order and pull yourself out of that mess.

You can't ask poor parents to take responsibility for raising their kids properly...that would be insinuating that in some way, they ARE responsible for raising them or that they aren't doing it right. It might offend them.
.......#108 | Posted by STIRSUMUP

....it's not an either-or ........

.....public education is two sided, I agree that parents need to play a strong role......

......but by starving public education, we have already fallen to 37th on the world index for education.......

.......without an education population, we will also continue to drop in every other measure......

......you are buying into our Mexicanization.......

....your aversion to the poor is an indicator that you have swallowed the propaganda......and no...I am not part of the problem.....but your attitude is......

#103 | Posted by skizziks at 2009-11-02 01:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes, everyday I try to find a poor person to beat with a baseball bat. Everyday I think of new ways to keep them down. Everyday I make sure I run over the panhandler at the corner (they keep showing up for some reason however).

YOU have swallowed the propaganda not I. Constant reinforcement of the nanny behavior only breeds brats.

......you are buying into our Mexicanization.......

#112 | Posted by skizziks

....I'm certainly not buying into your bullshit...

Everyday I make sure I run over the panhandler at the corner

the fucker I try to run over keeps jumping out of the way.

quick bastard!!

the fucker I try to run over keeps jumping out of the way.

quick bastard!!


I aim for the handicapped ones. I pushed this guy in a wheelchair three blocks once. He was pissed, but, without a cell phone, who is he gonna call to complain to?

#116 | Posted by kanrei

Very nice!!

I don't see how destroying the middle class will really help them.

#110 | Posted by eberly

The less social mobility there is, the less chance they have of losing their place in the upper stratosphere. Especially their children, who may not be as capable as they are (Paris Hilton, while she is widely known, there are tens of thousand of male & female heirs like her).

It has to do with the concentration of wealth, the oligarchs want as much of it as they can get, with hands on the controls of the rest. How do they control the rest ? Through credit, and through the banks, they pump out credit cards to everyone, encouraging people to max out, thereby becoming enslaved to credit. So instead of a families monetary history being: marry, buy a house, pay it off, live in comfortable middle & older age, it becomes : get married, buy a house, get a mortgage, get credit cards, max out all credit, either spend the rest of your life paying off credit or get bankrupt and get on the train again.

The working people, would therefore live in perpetual servitude, paying all their income to the wealthy, either through bank payments, credit card payments or Wal-Mart purchases.

The American Oligarchy consists of about a million people. It is not organized in the sense of the mafia with strategic thinking, but is a loose collection of monied families and individuals, who oppose the public good. They want it all, and they don't care for social interlopers.

The topic itself is a very big one, Eb, and it could really fill several books. Hope this helps as a start.

Constant reinforcement of the nanny behavior only breeds brats.
.....#113 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

......we are not a nanny state.......

.......the social benefits this country gives will never spoil anybody.......

.....in that sense, we already far behind the rest of the developed world......and with thinking like yours....we will never catch up......

...but our public schools are failing, and if we don't invest in them, our lack of educated work force will cause our standard of living to drop...

Exactly - so constantly throwing good money after bad is a working plan?

Its like learning a sport - teach the fundamentals first - without the parents, the school system will fail for most children - it is an absolute.

The country is going down not because we do not spend enough on social concerns, but too much - again, you have been brainwashed in this respect not I.

.....in that sense, we already far behind the rest of the developed world......and with thinking like yours....we will never catch up......

#119 | Posted by skizziks at 2009-11-02 02:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

You keep saying that, I do not think you know what it means.

So, if you mean a line of thinking that promotes family cohesion, community involvement by the parents, rewarding behavior which results in productive citizens and not rewarding behavior which results in an entitlement mentality is helping us fall far behind the rest of the world, your on the koolaide.

"the social benefits this country gives will never spoil anybody"

How many people have taken advantage of the welfare system, using it as a lifestyle from generation to generation, instead of being a help up as it was intended?

When programs are in place that don't encourage someone to their own position in life, it is coddling.

We coddle here.

oops...should read to improve their own position.

Sorry

Welfare benefits have been capped since August 1992.

That's good to hear, Timex.

I wasn't aware.

You keep saying that, I do not think you know what it means.
......#121 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

......don't take my word for it, read.....we are declining......it starts with public education and everything else follows......

askville.amazon.com

The Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development places the United States 18th among the 36 nations examined, USA Today reported Wednesday.

Headed to the top of the heap is South Korea where 93 percent of high school students graduate on time compared with the United States where 75 percent receive their diplomas.

The seemingly downward trend of U.S. education worries economists.

"The United States has rested on its laurels way too long," Jacob Funk Kirkegaard of the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington, told USA Today. "Other countries have increasingly caught up and surpassed the United States."

Exactly - so constantly throwing good money after bad is a working plan?
#120 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

.......we have not thrown any good money at it yet......

......and starving education will only fuel the decline......

The country is going down not because we do not spend enough on social concerns, but too much - again, you have been brainwashed in this respect not I.
.........#120 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

......so then which countries have a higher standard of living than we do ?.......

.....those that spend more on social welfare and education, or those that spend less ?........

I think these phones should have unlimited internet access on them as well. Since so many companies these days require that you fill out an application online, it is only right that these folks have unlimited internet access through their phone.

...and because some of these documents require special formatting that cannot be accommodated by a phone, everyone should be able to get a PC with Office preinstalled, so that the less fortunate can edit and upload their resumes at a moments notice.

......so then which countries have a higher standard of living than we do ?.......

.....those that spend more on social welfare and education, or those that spend less ?........

#128 | Posted by skizziks at 2009-11-02 02:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

That would depend on how you determine "standard". We can all do a google search and find someone else's standard and how the US stacks up, but I ask YOU this - have you ever lived in any of those countries with a supposedly HIGHER standard of living? What is their immigration rate in? Out? That would be my indicator more so than someone elses qualifications.

From wiki.....Since World War II, more refugees have found homes in the U.S. than any other nation and more than two million refugees have arrived in the U.S. since 1980 (representing less than 1% of the entire United States population). Of the top ten countries accepting resettled refugees in 2006, the United States accepted more than twice as much as the next nine countries combined.

If the standard is so much better in the other nine, people leaving their own country to find a live in another sure don't think so.

If the standard is so much better in the other nine, people leaving their own country to find a live in another sure don't think so.
......#130 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

....yes I have lived in a higher ranked country.....

.....it accepted about 200,000 immigrants a year, and had a tenth of US population, which would be about 2 million a year for the US.......

......one can quibble about the world movement of immigrants, and some of it has to do with internal rules, but that anecdotal information........

.......the fact remains that OUR standard of living is declining, and if we don't recognize that, and take action, it will continue to do so.....

......and it all starts with education......

......people here are not keen to pay 8 thousand a year for a good public school, but they are happy to pay 50 thousand a year for a jail cell,....it just does not make sense to me......

......incidentally.....being a male high school dropout is the biggest indicator of future jail time......

HAHAHAH...I'm a bad evil Christian because I dont think that people should be given free CELL PHONES!. What an idiotic statement. This is America. The poor in this country are that way because they CHOOSE to be. I grew up in Los Angeles in public schools, bounced from relative to relative and lived at or below the poverty line. But I CHOSE not to live like that as an adult. There are no excuses for being poor in America. Take that hand that you have stretched out and palm up looking for some "Help", and get to work!

p.s. YOU DONT NEED A CELL IF U CANT PAY FOR IT!!!!

The American Oligarchy consists of about a million people. It is not organized in the sense of the mafia with strategic thinking, but is a loose collection of monied families and individuals, who oppose the public good. They want it all, and they don't care for social interlopers.

The topic itself is a very big one, Eb, and it could really fill several books. Hope this helps as a start.

Oh come on!! you are sort of sounding like a conspiracy theorist loon.

Yes, there are those who want it all (but they already have it) and they aren't going to get any more from you or me. They already control 95% of the wealth anyway.

You still didn't answer my question...how can their empires be any better off if there isn't a middle class to keep it going?

There are a lot of people who fit the description you alluded to (Walmart idiots etc...) but they choose that. In any case, the oligarch class isn't against the public good so much as they are for themselves first, which, BTW, describes just about everybody anyway.

I'm a bad evil Christian because I dont think
.......#132 | Posted by Azwar

......yes.....the two seem to be related......

The poor in this country are that way because they CHOOSE to be.
#132 | Posted by Azwar

......actually......you are half right.......

.....it's because they choose to be born to poor parents..... who invariably fuck up their childhood and education.......

......stupid babies.......

....poverty is generational......

....some people are able to lift themselves out of poverty, but most cannot.......

......so congratulations to you on being able to do it, but please don't hate the people who can't.....

......but you see......you also have been socialized to believe that the poor are poor because they deserve to be poor......

.....so then why bother helping them ?...right ?...

......but you see......you also have been socialized to believe that the poor are poor because they deserve to be poor......

.....so then why bother helping them ?...right ?...

#136 | Posted by skizziks at 2009-11-02 04:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

And you are socialized to believe that continuously keeping generation after generation on the dole is a solution. Nes Pas?

Again, I try to run over a poor person everyday so that I can complete the stereotype crafted by the left.

You still didn't answer my question...how can their empires be any better off if there isn't a middle class to keep it going?
......#133 | Posted by eberly

....it's easier to control poor, uneducated people, then to control an educated middle class......

.....a numerous, educated, motivated, middle class in America could choose to go socialist at some time in the future, and through political power, remove the oligarchy......

.......poor people cannot do that, they cannot win political power, they cannot change wealth distribution........

.......social upheavals are always generated by the middle class, for the working class.....the working class cannot do it on its own.......

And you are socialized to believe that continuously keeping generation after generation on the dole is a solution. Nes Pas?
.....#137 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

......not at all.......

.....but access to good education is the first key......

......head start programs,higher graduation rates, and better access to occupational training in community colleges, would go a long way to reducing poverty rates.......

......but as with the crux of this debate, if we pay for 10,000 cell phones for the poor, and if even only a hundred of them manage to get call backs for jobs that they land because of it........

......I would think that the effort was worthwhile.......whereas you Sunday Christians would whine about the 9900 cell phones you paid for, that did not generate jobs.....

Again, I try to run over a poor person everyday so that I can complete the stereotype crafted by the left.
......#137 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

.....no need......

.....based on your postings.....

....you have moved beyond stereotype to caricature......

......head start programs,higher graduation rates, and better access to occupational training in community colleges, would go a long way to reducing poverty rates.......

None of which have been improved by additional funds. You and most libs will ignore the main problem associated with poverty - culture. Asians place a tremendous value on education to the point of insanity. Blacks are at the other end of the spectrum as our poor whites and mexicans - a generalization of course, but never the less true. Throwing money at this problem will not change it. Convincing the parents that an education will get their kids out of the hood will. But, as usual libs will ignore the problem because it would be racist or some other label which would cast a social/economic group in an unpleasant lite. Oh well. Keep giving out the cell phones - someday someone with a clue may call.

None of which have been improved by additional funds.
#141 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

.....you are wrong on this point.......

.....our public education is underfunded at every level, and it shows in our declining graduation rates......

You and most libs will ignore the main problem associated with poverty - culture.

.....again.....you insist on blaming the poor for being poor.....

.....anything to avoid saying that our social infrastructure needs upgrading if we are to compete with the world.......

.....anything to avoid saying that our social infrastructure needs upgrading if we are to compete with the world.......

#143 | Posted by skizziks at 2009-11-02 05:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

We are talking at cross purposes so it seems. I am blaming a culture that promotes failure - If you do not read to your 1 to 6 year olds every night you are failing them. If you do not take them to the library you are failing them. If you do not make them listen to something other than gangsta rap, you are failing them. If you don't sit and listen to them, you are failing them. If you do not punish them for missing school, you are failing them. And so on.... Where in all of that do I begin to blame the poor for being poor? Not one of those costs money btw, just an investment of time.

Our social infrastructure needs upgrading and it needs to start at the ROOTS. Pulling the weed out from the top only results in another weed.

this is bullshit, trust me. 40% of the people who qualify are gonna lose their phones while the govt. still pays for service. 40$ is going to sell their phones and minutes for booze or a rock.

The other 20% make more income than you and I, but it's under the table, so they still qualify. they'll use it as a back up though, because they will prefer their iPhone.

So 60% of the people who get this phone are going to use it for nefarious purposes? What bullshit. You make the poor out to be all criminals.

#146. no, 40% aren't.

Somoco you are an idiot who is extremely jaded against who is really poor in this country. Many of the poor live in rural areas that aren't smoking rock.

Reading these postings by far left leaning people, has led me to the realization that liberalism is in fact a mental disorder. The disorder causes one to be blind to common sense. It causes the afflicted to hate themselves and thier community. They lose the ability to fend for themselves and encourage others to just give up as well and depend on an authority to provide thier every need. They see nothing wrong with tearing a child apart while still in the womb, but insist that a convicted cop killer should be set free cause he can write such "pretty words". They have no sense of pride in the country of thier birth and would freely submit to a global government and relinquish thier sovergnty for a sense of security. Sadly there are few cures available to these hopelesly lost to thier self imposed disorder.

Reading these postings by far left leaning people, has led me to the realization that liberalism is in fact a mental disorder. The disorder causes one to be blind to common sense. It causes the afflicted to hate themselves and their community. They lose the ability to fend for themselves and encourage others to just give up as well and depend on an authority to provide their every need. They see nothing wrong with tearing a child apart while still in the womb, but insist that a convicted cop killer should be set free cause he can write such "pretty words". They have no sense of pride in the country of their birth and would freely submit to a global government and relinquish their soverignty for a sense of security. Sadly there are few cures available to these hopelesly lost to their self imposed disorder.

AZ I find myself drifting from the far right where I was the last few years, but seeing people advocate a need for cell phones for the needy reassures me that I will never become a stark raving mad liberal.

Somoco you are an idiot who is extremely jaded against who is really poor in this country. Many of the poor live in rural areas that aren't smoking rock.

#148 | POSTED BY JACKASS AT 2009-11-02 05:53 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Dude, I keep telling you that there's 40% that aren't gaming the deal. I'm being generous, not jaded.

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