Pretty much a non-statement.

It's easy to compare reality against imagined alternate realities and declare one the winner.

Only to the extent it was and is delegated to infrastructure rebuilding and enhancement.

Bailouts for the worlds richest criminals only encourages more crime. Locking Madoff up has not gotten to the heart of the problem, which is unregulated derivatives trading, hi-speed proprietary programmed trading and securitization. These highly profitable schemes are either illegal but unenforced or should be made illegal again, as they were after the great depression. Those Corporations that institutionalized naked short selling and programmed trading should be dissolved with any remaining assets returned to the National Treasury, after Geithner, Summers and Bernanke are fired.

Obama is either clueless on this matter or beholding to thieves.

we have a long way to go before we return to prosperity

translation: "Just wait 'til I'm finished guttin' this bitch, Liberty."

Well, we know what happened after Easy Money Greenspan retired. These politicians never learn. It's like they try to out fuck-up their predecessors. It's going to get much uglier when the effects of federal junkie money wear off.

Always remember. Every cent the feds spend and borrow comes out of the market economy. They sucked the the lifeblood out of capital markets. To expect a recovery is insane.

This "govt" judges itself by a comprehensive array of delusional metrics. These are not simple misstatements. They are intentional fabrications. The current level of spending is irresponsible and outrageous. $166,000 to "create a job".are you not shocked. "Jobs created or saved." "Unemployment may get better, but were planning on extending jobless benefits." "Cash for Clunkers @ $24,000 per car" And the list goes on. Just take a govt estimate on cost and triple ityou'll be correct.

When Fiction Lags Reality!!!

"We are becoming so accustomed to millions and billions of dollars that "thousands" has almost passed out of the dictionary."
-Everett Dirksen

"A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking about real money."
-Everett Dirksen

The senator from Illinois made those statements in the 60s. Deficits have gone from thousands to millions to billions. And now to trillions. To think that Washington wants to take on the expense of health insurance is surreal!

"we have a long way to go before we return to prosperity"

"We" meaning those that refuse to earn a living and politicians.

Taxpayers will see no form of prosperity under the Democrats.

didn't the feds just close 9 banks yesterday?

"mission accomplished" Obama

"Obama has something to HIDE!!!"

You mean, he is not really a US citizen by birth?

WTF? This is huge!

I'll get back to you just as soon as my $100 magnetic generator kit takes over the powering of my house.

The man is living in a dream world. He said employment wouldn't go over 8% if they passed his pet bill, It's way over 15% now and climbing!!

Every politician brings a new kind of bullshit to the table....

"Taxpayers will see no form of prosperity under the Democrats..."

Heard a couple of minutes of Stephanopolis and it looks like 45 million Americans making under 200k, will in fact see a tax increase if the P/O is included in the final HC reform. Also heard Obamas so called recovery has now cost about 540k per household. As for the lie on his Obama's address about saving jobs, we already know the 30k saved in Ohio cost hundreds of thousands per job, and according to the same show this morning, these so called saved jobs were at a cost of around 75k per.

Every politician brings a new kind of bullshit to the table....

#12 | Posted by daprof

Newsworthy

I caught some of Georgie and then flipped over to Meet the Depressed...

Actually I miss Russert--Gregory was on the right track with Thimmy--but he let him get away with not answering like 5 questions.

(Doesn't Thimmy look like a rat? Maybe it is the HD in the TV with too much definition and his teeth??)

Jarret wouldn't answer questions either for Georgie.

Obama is insane and we are living in the snake pit.

Obama is insane and we are living in the snake pit.

#15 | Posted by MURPHY

What a goofy fucker.

Funny how every time Obama makes a statement that's 100% correct, it brings out every pubbie in the wood works. If Bush had made the same exact statement (after all it was is stimulus bill) they would all be saying what a genius the gimp was. Pubbies just don't know what to say unless it is negative. They would rather resort to headbanging then using what's left of their battered brains. Their is what? Go back to the days of black market anarchy? Civil war? Poverty like the great depression caused? Apparently so, based on the idiotic comments above.

Folks we are going to have to work together to get out of this mess.

Timmy this noon-- noone saw 8% unemployment-- seems it was the same people that didn't think "subprime" housing was going to be a problem--maybe the same people who ran Harvard's endowment fund into the ground-- there's probably a common thread here-- I'll bet most of these "best and Brightest" come from our "best and brightest" schools that is ivy league etc. These people get automatic employment at high wages and never have to perform-- the problem is just because you can perform on tests and acquire decent grades doesn't mean you have any common sense-- maybe we graduate these people and in the future have them report to 4-5 people (Midwest?) who then make all the major decisions.

#17--"Folks we are going to have to work together to get out of this mess"--- Ringmaster, that's the most cogent statement I've seen from you in awhile. The first step would be to establish that both parties over the years have contributed to this mess. Once that is accepted by hardcore dems and repubs, the next step is to define what got us over the years into the mess. Then the third step is to identify goals to (over time---and it is going to be considerable time) to get to where we have to get-- no different then we do in my business.

#17--"Folks we are going to have to work together to get out of this mess"

Well put, Ring.

Funny how every time Obama makes a statement that's 100% correct, it brings out every pubbie in the wood works.

That might be because he's a chronic liar. But so was Bush and every other president before him.

Folks we are going to have to work together to get out of this mess.

That's not the way Obama's Wall Street friends look at it.

including the stimulus package of spending and tax cuts

Reading this tells us the article is nothing but rhetorical lying bullshit.

Ray...your opinion is becoming a bit threadbare. What do you expect the president to say? Would you rather he spoke only of doom and gloom? He is taking a course of action that is a bitter pill to swallow, but considering the alternative of doing nothing after the disaster Bush left us in, doing anything is better then nothing. Obama is opening the tap of money that the government took from us for decades to keep small and big businesses from failing completely and every indication is that the stimulus helped at least in the short run. We may all starve yet, but I am all for doing what we have to so we can at least eat today without resorting to eating our neighbors.

Reading this tells us the article is nothing but rhetorical lying bullshit.

So moneywar, what's new with you? Your opinion is nothing but rhetorical lying bullshit. Perhaps it's just your mindset.

Your opinion is nothing but rhetorical lying bullshit.

Has your tax cut helped you out yet?

What do you expect the president to say?

Not some lying bullshit.

Why not just simply tell the truth or is that too tough for you.

Ray...your opinion is becoming a bit threadbare. What do you expect the president to say? Would you rather he spoke only of doom and gloom?

How about the truth for a change. His massive spending only created an illusion of a recovery.

He is taking a course of action that is a bitter pill to swallow, but considering the alternative of doing nothing after the disaster Bush left us in, doing anything is better then nothing. Obama is opening the tap of money that the government took from us for decades to keep small and big businesses from failing completely and every indication is that the stimulus helped at least in the short run.

Obama is driving this economy into a severe depression. To try to spend his way out of a problem caused by too much spending is criminally reckless. If it wasn't for the magic money created by the Federal Reserve, Washington would have defaulted decades ago.

I agree with you, RAY. We have only forstalled a day or reckoning.

Here's a quote I like. It gets to the heart of politics.

"The most powerful man in the world is the man in whose favor the greatest lies are told and believed."
-author unknown

#23 "We may all starve yet, but I am all for doing what we have to so we can at least eat today without resorting to eating our neighbors."

Aww man, Ringmaster! Can we just get to the point? Face it, we got too many people needing resources and not enough resources to live within our means as a society. Let the Darwinism begin. Quite frankly, I like my chances mano-a-mano against a hedge fund manager. I think I got a little more dog in me than the average corperatepolitan

#23---bocaink, I actually enjoyed your last post.

Metaphorically, that's how I felt about the TARP and sons bailout too. Let it all tumble down and start from scratch on an actual foundation. Who is the only entities benefiting from the meltdown, the fire starters and nobody else.

#23---"to keep small and big businesses from failing completely"--- just now they've begun to talk about small business when they realize stimulus hasn't made that big a difference and driven debt higher-- I'll bet they and congress will deliver an extremely watered down "healhcare reform" and " cap and trade" since even these folks are starting to realize strong bills will essentially shut down busness even more-- frankly, there's one area of big business that I wouldn't mind going down the tube and that's investnent banking.

Thanks Mat,

I wrote a rebuttal to what you said about Clinton and the Repubs a few days ago, but my wireless crashed before I could send it. But, I agree that the R's and D's worked well during the mid to late 90's. Government worked better during that time than any time in my life. But, remember that there was the economic engine of the tech boom that afforded the luxury of revenue. These days, our engine has a grease fire, and there is nothing coming out. It became polluted by the allure of easy money gains through manipulation of sketchy investments...that led to the housing boom/bust. That's why I do agree with Obama's vision on health care and clean energy programs. Regardless of the rhetoric, things like electronic records management and alternative energy sources are innovations that can lead to new avenues of economic output. While dreams of re-industrializing America through manufacturing sound common-sense good...truth is that the rest of the world does it for way cheaper, and the marginal difference in quality doesn't counterweigh the drastic difference in cost.

We need to be the leaders at something...or somethings to the point...and as the world clamors for energy, whichever country does it best will benefit greatly from it. We need new companies to take the lead, as the old ones are bloated, inefficient, and frankly corrupted beyond repair. I'm only hoping that despite what appears to be low return on investment, many programs in the stimulus will lead to forward-moving innovations to jumpstart a boom in emerging industries.

I like bipartisanship when policy overtakes politics....but I don't expect it.

Never spend other peoples money before they have earned it.

How do you "earn it" when there are no avenues for producing revenue?

Please o-wise one, how should we fix this mess?

#34--good posting,can agree with alot of what you're saying-- I agree we can create a new area of growth and that is in alternative energy and for 2 reasons 1. security and energy independence 2. a whole new growth industry-- the thing I don't like is when government and others that stand to benefit economically from it create a strawman to accomplish it and raise taxes-- "global warming" By the way , if I was president, I would focus on natural gas as the answer.

#34--- Serendipidous, just saw another posting on DR related to natural gas.

Has your tax cut helped you out yet?

A lot more then $5.00 a gallon gas did.

bocaink has it nailed pretty well. The right is afraid of developing new energy alternatives because it means caving into the idea that it's time is ripe. Most republicans want to wait another decade or two to prove they were wrong all along. By that time, they figure, someone else will have found a solution to the problems that are obvious to everyone else. Once again they will miss the band wagon, but most of them will be dead too.

The world belongs to the young and able these days. The old farts in the republican party don't understand and won't understand. It's too late to retrain those old dogs and it's going to cost them a few bones so of course they don't like it, but the world will go on and it won't be them that saved it. They will just claim the credit.

Has your tax cut helped you out yet?

I meant to say a lot more then Bush's tax cut and $5.00 a gallon gas.

Bush's idea of a tax cut is a $600 tax writ off and a $1500 increase in your energy bills. It's the republican way.

The right is afraid of developing new energy alternatives...

???

So now that the left is in full control, where are these energy altermatives?

It's economics, not politics. Get a grip.

The old farts in the republican party don't understand and won't understand.

Probably not. But they have absolutely no political control in congress or the WH.

Let go for Christ sake. The left got what they want. Full control. Yet some of y'all still bitch. Grow up, let go of the past, and make your party do what you elected them to do.

This "republican sucks" schtick is getting really, really old.

#42--- Ringmaster, the Goat is right-- I don't see a coherent energy policy from this administration unless it is "cap and trade" which will help stall this economy even more.

"So now that the left is in full control, where are these energy altermatives(sic)?"
~Goatman

Good question.
I am so sorry I didn't vote for Paris Hilton.

The French are doing much better in this regard.

You could cross France at 0ver 170 MPH on a silky smooth electric train running from a nuclear breeder reactor ten years ago. I measured the TGV train at 178 MPH with my Garmin aviation GPS.

"they have absolutely no political control in congress or the WH."

With "Independent" Joe Lieberman promising to quash the public option, Rs can keep debate from being closed. That's at least a modicum of control.

#---- natural gas and nuclear---- ethanol, solar, and wind would only have a small impact on energy independence.

"I don't see a coherent energy policy from this administration"

No shit.

In my lifetime we were in the best economic shape at the end of the Carter administration but the end of the best overall national health was the dawn of the TV debate, the end of Eisenhower.

Then we went from the Kennedy's to crappy actors.

I am SO sorry I didn't write in Paris Hilton, at least I could gloat, but McCain choosing Palin was too much.

"So now that the left is in full control"

LOL. Holy shit, GoatboOb wastes no time in making moronic statements. There's hardly a leftist in Washington, dumbfuck.

#46---- Give it up Danforth, major changes aren't going to happen the more this thing is pushed back---nothing is going to happen until next year and then it will be minor. Obama will throw the libs under the bus and sign a bill that is nothing like what was originally crafted and announce success. The closer this thing gets to the 2010 elections the less likely any major changes.

"Give it up Danforth"

Why? Without some counterpoint, we're looking at more years where health costs run at 4X inflation, just like the previous decade (31.5% vs 131%)

With "Independent" Joe Lieberman promising to quash the public option, Rs can keep debate from being closed.

LOL

The democrats enjoy a 7 seat in the majority in the Senate and 30+ seat majority in the House, the white house, and you sieze on one person to blame on the democrat's inability to do anything.

Too funny.

Grow up and admit it. The democrats have let you down. They suck, too. But you blind partisans will never admit it. You'll blame Joe Lieberman instead.

"The democrats enjoy a 7 seat in the majority in the Senate and 30+ seat majority in the House, the white house, and you sieze on one person to blame on the democrat's inability to do anything."

Your barometer was "absolutely no political control".

That's incorrect. The power to filibuster is, in a small way, the power to control.

"Grow up and admit it. The democrats have let you down. They suck, too."

I've been a grown-up for a long time. The Democrats have let me down. They suck, too. There, that was pretty easy.

That still has no bearing on the fact your claim was incorrect.

There's hardly a leftist in Washington, dumbfuck

???

Anyone need further proof that excessive pot abuse leads to brain damage?

That still has no bearing on the fact your claim was incorrect.

Wow. What a powerful man Joe Lieberman is. He can overcome the Democrat controlled Senate, the Democrat controlled House, and the Democratic White House.

Too funny. I'll bet our founding fathers never envisioned that one man from Connecticut could hold so much power. LOL

"Wow. What a powerful man Joe Lieberman is. "

Deflect all you want, your statement was still incorrect.

your statement was still incorrect.

WHich statement? "the democrats have let you down"? No. You admitted that was true. The congress majority? No. That is true. The democrats sieze on one person to blame for their failures? No. That is true.

What was incorrect, danforth?

Refusing to attend a markup session, making said markup impossible, is also -- in a small way -- power.

your statement was still incorrect.

I'll ask again.

What was incorrect?

"What was incorrect, danforth?"

"they have absolutely no political control in congress or the WH."

PS, please quote me, don't interpret me.

they have absolutely no political control in congress or the WH."

They don't. Unless there is a turncoat democrat or a rogue like Lieberman, they have no control.

That was not an incorrect statement.

"Unless there is a turncoat democrat or a rogue like Lieberman, they have no control. "

If you want to define refusing to allow a bill to be marked up "no control", go right ahead.

Myself, I'd consider that "controlling" whether the bill goes forward or not.

It did make the recession less severe, and doing a few lines of coke will make your heart race, for awhile. Give me a blank check, let me kite a trillion dollars' worth of borrowed money, and I'll give you a sugar high that lasts for a few weeks too.

Ringmaster, the Goat is right-- I don't see a coherent energy policy from this administration unless it is "cap and trade" which will help stall this economy even more.

That's where you guys just don't get it. Do you think with out strict legislation the auto industry would have spent the money on research to clean up car exhaust? How about the Clean Air Act. Would those capitalists running power plants have coughed up the capital to clean up a threat to the countries forests? Were the republicans right then when they swore on a stack of bibles that there was no problem?

Innovations in the energy market will take decades to accomplish because so much of our infrastructure is based on trains, planes, big rigs and ships that burn fossil fuel, but it won't happen at all if the governments world wide don't put pressure on private industry to develop alternatives.

Capitalism can only be kept from soiling it's own nest by government intervention. Unrestricted free enterprise is a sure cure for government intervention in our lives, but the cure is death for us all by our own greedy neighbors.

#36---"Innovations in the energy market will take decades to accomplish because so much of our infrastructure is based on trains, planes, big rigs etc."------- The innovations are already happening and won't take years-- e.q. a small company has signed a contract with 7 major airlines to supply a synthetic fuel for ground transport by the end of 2012 for the L.A. airport. Their fuel has already been okayed by the FAA for commercial airline usage; the airforce is looking to have about 1/2 of their fuel needs to be alternative fuels by about 2016. Walmart in a couple of their major distribution centers have their forklifts run by fuel cells--- I could go on and on. I could almost support "cap and trade" if I knew the taxes would go for a planned energy policy but knowing government it wouldn't happen and like social security revenues would go into the general budget.

#65 instead of #36

#65--- "capitalism can only be kept from soiling it's own nest by government intervention"--- Oh, Ringmaster, you are so young and naive--and what do you call the incestuous relationship between wallstreet (especially investment banking), public corporations , military/industrial and government--- that in my book is not capitalism but socialism and it been present for years amid multiple administrations and congresses. Real capitalists don't want that incestuous relationship instead they have the saying "let it be." In my book the true capitalists are small business owners who (surprise) hire most of the workers in this country-- with a few years of experience you'll begin (hopefully) to be able to separate hype from reality. Most young people eventually do.

Synthetic fuels would have to have drastically lower carbon emissions to be of much use. The only advantage is to lower our dependence on imported oil. The problem with the climate is the cumulative nature of carbon, methane and warmer air which holds more water. All of these are greenhouse gasses. There are more. The effect it is having on the planet is well documented. There is no longer a balance. Many people don't understand that because it is not something you can see like volcanic pollution or smog. They see only chicken little.

One thing cap n trade can do is make it profitable to develop methods of harvesting carbon and methane. Big oil is working on methods as we speak just because they can see the writing on the wall. They stand to make as much cleaning up the atmosphere as they did soiling it. The dumps of yesterday are already becoming the resources of tomorrow. Republicans don't like it because they have their own agenda and are no longer are willing to make long term investments. They hate the idea that they will have to give up some of their profit for research and development to compete in the future.

Republicans don't like it because they have their own agenda and are no longer are willing to make long term investments. They hate the idea that they will have to give up some of their profit for research and development to compete in the future.

So? They aren't in power. Quit bitching about the republicans and get the party in power to do something.

Deflecting from the democrats inability to do anything productive by bringing up "those damned republicans" over and over just doesn't work as well as it did last January.

You voted for 'em. Get 'em to do something.

Oh, Ringmaster, you are so young and naive...

Don't even go that route. I am a lot older then you suspect and obviously more educated then yourself if you think you can use a straw man argument like that to avoid an educated response. If you don't understand the issues, stay out of the debate. You just played your cards as a close minded fool.

... and obviously more educated then yourself if you think

LOL

It's "than" and "you". Just a hint to the "more" educated.

Deflecting from the democrats inability to do anything productive by bringing up "those damned republicans" over and over just doesn't work as well as it did last January.
...
#70 | Posted by goatman at 2009-11-01 10:27 PM | Reply | Flag: "Non-partisan"

You still going for that bait, null? LOL Some fish never learn, do they?

They aren't in power. Quit bitching about the republicans and get the party in power to do something.

Don't make me laugh. You act as if the republicans aren't already this countries greatest obstructionists. It takes a bipartisan effort to get anything through in any congress, especially one as divided as this one. If you want to know why it is taking so long just to reform the disaster that has become American health care, just take a look at your own obstructionist one sided view. Cap n trade will be an even bigger battle simple because republicans lack the education to comprehend the big picture. Speaking of education, that's the highest hurdle yet to jump. It's another thing republicans will have to open their pocket book to improve. 41st in the world in education? Get informed dude.

"blunt the worst of this recession" but that "we have a long way to go before we return to prosperity."

What the hell, Barry!

You said the stimulus would keep unemployment under 8%.

We are at just under 10 with the stimulus now.

So do we believe you now?

Fool me once......

Don't make me laugh.

When it was a Republican president and Republican congress, the ills of the world were the Republican's fault. When it was a Republican president and Democrat congress, it was still the Republican's fault. Now it is Democrat Senate, House, and President, and it is still the Republican's fault.

No, don't make me laugh. And stop whining. You got what you want -- full democrat control and majority. If you can't make it work, it is the democrat's fault. Deal with it.

It's "than" and "you". Just a hint to the "more" educated.

Another straw man argument from an uneducated hillbilly.

You can do better then that too. As far as I am concerned the use or misuse of then and than has absolutely no bearing on the discussion. You knew exactly what I meant. Don't try to snow me with grammar and spelling rules that often make no sense anyway. Face it you have no legitimate argument and neither does old man matsop.

neither does old man matsop.

Boy, it sure is shitty to be old around here,not just this thread

You got what you want -- full democrat control and majority.

I got! Now who is whining. FYI I am not the country. Don't you mean what we got, or are you a foreigner that didn't get to vote? What is it you don't like about majority rule anyway? Its high time you quit whining and get behind your president and congress.

Another straw man argument from an uneducated hillbilly.

???

What do strawmen have to do with anything? The first rule of insulting someone is to use proper spelling and grammar. Didn't you know that? LOL

BTW, this uneducated hillbilly knows the difference between 'then' and 'than' and knows when not to use reflexive pronouns.

What about you? LOL

Don't you mean what we got, or are you a foreigner that didn't get to vote?

I didn't want Obama or the democrats.

Difficult concept, ringo?

You can do better then that too.

Than.

How does it feel to be corrected by an uneducated hillbilly?

LOL

Boy, it sure is shitty to be old around here,not just this thread

Take a look around dude. What have the old men done to this country? Hell, half of them these days sound like a school kid who can't find his jockstrap because he is wearing it on his head. Like I said take a look around dude.

BTW, this uneducated hillbilly knows the difference between 'then' and 'than' and knows when not to use reflexive pronouns.

What about you? LOL

I don't give a shit. You do. That's the difference. Trying to unravel the disaster that is the English language is a fool quest. You go for it dude. Like i said I don't give a shit. So, sue me.

What have the old men done to this country

Ouch even in the old days there was an opposition.
Never heard of McGovern

I don't give a shit.

???

You cared emough to call me an uneducated hillbilly, ringo. Suddenly when you find yourself being educated by one, you don't give a shit anymore. Funny how that works. LOL

You are avoiding the question too, bruceaz. We all have an obligation to try and resolve some of the most pressing issues of the day. Obstruction is for spoiled brats, not wise old men. Now, tell me the tea parties are not obstructionist old men and women who hate Obama because he is black and young and took power away from their one sided party. I may be old too, but at least I didn't leave my education behind 40 years ago when I entered the working world. In fact I just registered for another semester at the state college where I have maintained a 3.97 GPA, including half a dozen courses in English language and writing, so, it's not as if I don't know the rules, I just don't give a damn about the stupid rules unless I am getting graded on it. Goatman or matsop or anyone who pulls the stupid flag ain't worth the effort.

...who hate Obama because he is black ...

I dislike his white half, too.

Goatman or matsop or anyone who pulls the stupid flag ain't worth the effort.

I am not a spelling nazi, ringo. I explained it once before, but I guess you didn't get it.

When you insult someone's intelligence as you did, use proper spelling and grammar. It's internet rule #1.

When you insult someone's intelligence as you did, use proper spelling and grammar. It's internet rule #1.

Who's rules goatmaster? If anything the internet has destroyed whatever queen's English rules there was. Where the fuck have you been these past two decades?

PS, please quote me, don't interpret me.

Two can play at this stupid game.

PS: Please quote me. Don't interpret me.

That's the punctuation errors corrected.

Now the logic issue.

You can't interpret a person, only their words.

Two can play at this stupid game.

That's cool -- I don't care, but you are playing a different game than I was. I only correct people's spelling or grammar if they are insulting me when they make the error (third time I've explained this concept. I hope you get it this time, ringo).

I only correct people's spelling or grammar if they are insulting me when they make the error...

I don't correct other peoples spelling or grammar unless they do it to me. Like I said it's a straw man argument and you damned sure know it.

Like I said it's a straw man argument and you damned sure know it.

???

I don't know that. And you don't know the meaning of 'strawman' if you think I used one.

You insulted my intelligence by calling me an uneducated hillbilly (which BTW, I don't care. Sticks and stones and all that) while you misspelled words and improperly used pronouns.

How is it a strawman that I bring your ignorance to your attention while you are calling me uneducated? That is not in the last a strawman.

Who's rules goatmaster?

who's = whose

who's = whose

Not in Hawaii. We speak pidgin. You have a problem with spelling and grammar. We don't.

#97 This is the same guy who called someone a racist for looking down on people with less education. No mention of race at all that time. Strange.

Most Hawaiians are OK but this guy just seems to make things up. Probably a white guy gone all Colonel Kurtz over there.

Probably a white guy gone all Colonel Kurtz over there.

I was stationed in Pearl Harbor for 1.5 years. Hawaii is beautiful, but it is easy to get island fever. On Oahu (Pearl Harbor's island) you can't drive but 30 miles in one direction. After a couple of months I wanted to be on the mainland badly. I longed to drive 500 miles in a straight line.

I saw several other sailors get the 'fever'. Maybe that's what ringo's got.

No, Ringo has "backed in the corner disease" again. I notice that occurs with certain individuals when their rigid positions are destroyed by rational thought and then their attempts to respond with deductive reasoning fail.

yeah, let's go back to voodoo, trickle down, supply side economic failures of the last administration....

Job Losses in 2008
Updated: January 14, 2009
December's job losses brought the total for 2008 to 2.6 million.

The nation's employers shed 524,000 jobs in Dec 2008, the 12th consecutive monthly decline.

#65 & #75 | Posted by RingMaster

also, it's 'country's' not 'countries' -- the possesive, not plural tense.

carry on...

lol, possessive... I hate posting from my phone.

Its high time you quit whining and get behind your president and congress.

#80 | POSTED BY RINGMASTER AT 2009-11-01 10:55 PM |

It's not going to happen with these teabaggers who cannot even realize which side of the bread the butter is on, eh?

Remember how even after lilaWol/hallichainy allowed our country to be attacked on 911, over 90% of the country rallied behind them?

This group of indoctrinated rwrs won't support a dem potus regardless of crisis situation. In fact, many are following right behind rushaddict's ass, calling for our potus to fail.

Yet, it's nothing new. Carter was blamed for the economic and foreign policy disasters created by 8 years of the criminal nixon's regime. Clinton, despite signing every piece of Contract ON America repug congress legislation, was impeached for something that was nobody's business. And that was after the US was attacked the first time in Feb 93, barely a month after Clinton took office.

With these neocon/repugs, it's all about PARTY over Country.....

That much is clear.

If the usa is attacked again, God forbid, they will fall all over themselves congratulating each other and continuing to denigrate our own potus.....

It's what they do.

Smear and Fear, based on a failed political ideology, while "pretending" to be patriots.

Did you miss the short bus this morning, war loser?

If you look at the worst recessions in American history, they all fall under ones managed by the Federal Reserve and Washington.

The recessions in the 1800s and early 1900s were less sever and deep.

So you cannot back that claim up with history because since 1929 the Government has gotten involved in every recession, before then there was no saftey net, there was no FDIC, no Federal Reserve, no unemployment insurance.

The Private Sector sorted out thier own mess, banks bailled themselves out, and so on.

Got any rebuttals to the FACTS I posted at #101?

That's what i thought. As I stated, the remaining repukes have only SMEAR AND FEAR, and actually, looking at their totally FAILED economic and foreign policy disasters, it's all they ever had........and cherry is a posterboy for their chickenhawk bullshit....eh?

yea, I think daylight savings screwed him up.

actually Woke, how you describe the repubs is EXACTLY how I described the dems during the past 8 years -- j. murtha's baby killer comments about our troops, threatening to block funding for a war many in congress voted for because of mid-term elections, etc. funny how perspective works, isn't it?

Perspective is one thing, whether it's backed up by facts is another.

I haven't seen any dems denigrate war vets based on politics, have you?

Do tell.

Window licker, eh? LOL rushaddict LiloW Cheneyburton LOL, eh.

including the stimulus package of spending and tax cuts

Reading this tells us the article is nothing but rhetorical lying bullshit.

#22 | Posted by moneywar at 2009-11-01 02:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

Reminds me of the sugary cereal commercials sponsoring kid's TV programs when they claim "Part of this nutritious breakfast."

It's just not the nutritious part.

Not one pubbie here has an argument, so they go after spelling and grammar. The truth is Obama is 100% correct. They have nothing left to say that has any real meat any more. I find that mildly amusing because a reply to anyone of these idiots is not worth the time to correct my mistakes. What's really funny is I type with only 8 fingers and three of those don't bend on the first knuckle, but I got on with life anyway and have a successful business in graphic arts, web design and of all things technical writing. Wooda thunk it. A dummy like me. Like I said they are not worth the time to spell check a response. Have a nice day pubbies.

Not one pubbie here has an argument, so they go after spelling and grammar.

(fourth time for me to say this. Amnesia dust in the air in HI, ringo?)

I went after your bad spelling and grammar when you used it to call me an uneducated hillbilly. I never do so otherwise.

Want to go for 5 times wrong, ringo?

Remember how even after lilaWol/hallichainy allowed our country to be attacked on 911, over 90% of the country rallied behind them?

Great example. It wasn't until later that 77% of the country fugured out years later that it was all bullshit lies and inside manipulation to bring about republican change at the cost of a loss of freedom, the biggest increase in bureaucracy in our countries history and the biggest waste of taxpayer money in the history of the planet. What are these guys concerned with today? Crossing your t's and dotting your i's.

I went after your bad spelling and grammar when you used it to call me an uneducated hillbilly.

Well, you are in my opinion. You just proved it 5 times in a row. Get over it. Now, here's a test if you want to change my opinion...How did building 7 at the WTC collapse? Let's see how bright you are at engineering.

You just proved it 5 times in a row.

???

How do you figure that?

What happened here is that you just proved 5 times in a row you couldn't grasp the simple concept that I correct spelling only in response at an attempted insult. Or was there another reason other than lack of gray matter that compelled you to repeat otherwise?

"...to call me an uneducated hillbilly."

Well, you are in my opinion.

Do you know what a hillbilly is? LOL Look it up. I'm far from one. Uneducated maybe (but clearly brighter than you), but not a hillbilly.

How did building 7 at the WTC collapse?

The NIST report is online. They explain it much better than I could in the 4,000 word per post limitiation.

Goatman if you take it that seriously, I apologize for such a heinous remark. You won't get that very often on the DR.

As for NIST report, I read it, the whole thing, years ago. If you think that is really what happened, you are a sucker and there is no point in discussing it further. I rest my case.

Of the 10K jobs created in Oregon with the Stimulas money - 80% are government jobs. The cost to the tax payers is 1.8B so each job cost 180K - eventhough most are in the 40K range in pay.

By expanding GOVERNMENT employment it is only creating a larger cost base for the Oregon tax payers to pay once the "Stimulus" money is gone.

So really - tell me how this is a benefit to anyone?

#121 | Posted by foshaffer

Let's see a credible link on that. No FreeRepublic, please.

Time - Funny - Liberal post anything on this site and it is taken for granted...but every conservative is asked for a "credible link" which normally means - some liberal news site (like NBC or CBS - Can't be Fox ect....but those sites are just as biased)

In this case it is from a local Oregon newspaper.

"But the remaining quarter-billion has been spread among public schools, universities, public safety and construction projects that have spared teacher layoffs, kept prisons open and allowed contractors to hire new workers.

In all, the spending accounts for the equivalent of 8,238 full-time jobs, according to the state's report, which was delivered to federal authorities over the weekend. Of those, more than 6,000 were in education and public safety. Fewer than 2,000 were in the private sector."

So really - tell me how this is a benefit to anyone?

#121 | POSTED BY FOSHAFFER AT 2009-11-02 03:22 PM

Uh, the people who otherwise wouldn't be working are able to feed their kids?

Nevermind.....that's not important to your rw talking point of the day, eh?

and btw....perhaps if you think andrew breitbart is "credible" you ought to think again....eh?

July thru Sept, Ford makes 1 BILLION profit....
guess that cash for clunker thingy failed miserably too, eh?

guess that cash for clunker thingy failed miserably too, eh?

Time will tell, eh?

People who would've otherwise put off buying a car for a year or two bought them earlier than they would have. I guess we'll see if car sales tank in the next year because of cash for clunkers, eh?

I know, I know, it's hard for those who can't look forward to conceptualize this, joke, but it could happen. We'll see.

You are a total fkn moron, ya know that?

I'm sure you do, your current and ex wife's probably remind you eh?

Any data showing any improvement in the economy is quickly disregarded by rw syncophant fks like yourself and you continue to BASH anything obama does or has done to fix the total abject failed policies of your heroes over the last decade....yet, you cannot wait to smear the current potus in hopes of returning to what?

the same failed policies eh?

You are proof that some folks just aren't capable of learning.....i thought that was wrong after watching severely multihandicapped people prove that adage wrong for 30 years, but you are making me do a double take on it......indoctrination is truly worse than brain damage......eh?

You are a total fkn moron, ya know that?

No, I didn't. But I'm encouraged when people like you tell me I am.

I'm sure you do, your current and ex wife's probably remind you eh?

I'm not married and the "ex" (if that's what you want to call her) hasn't said much in 13 years.

Time will tell, eh?
#126 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2009-11-02 04:16 PM

Time will also tell about the next possibility for a repug congressional majority. Ever bother seeing how few and far between they are in the history of our country, especially after Teddy?

How about the damage they wrought on our country? Ever bother noticing that?

What a Republican Majority Has Not Meant
by Laurence M. Vance, September 29, 2004
It has been more than a year now since the Republicans gained an absolute majority in Congress and the White House. The road to this majority began in the third year of Bill Clinton's first term. The Republicans gained complete control of the 104th Congress (19951997), held on to control in the 105th Congress (19971999), and remained in power during the 106th Congress (19992001) through the end of Clinton's presidency.

After 40 years of Democratic rule, the Republican majority in the Congress during most of Clinton's term in office appeared at the time to be a welcome sight. But because the presidency eluded them, the Republicans seemed to have an excuse for not rolling back the welfare state, even though it is the legislative branch that passes all legislation not the executive branch. And besides, Clinton made a good scapegoat. Then, if only for a brief moment, it appeared finally to be official there was an absolute Republican majority in the House, a 50-50 split in the Senate with a Republican vice president to break ties, and a Republican president in the White House. But when Jim Jeffords, the Republican senator from Vermont, switched from being a Republican to being an Independent on May 24, 2001, the Republican majority fizzled, giving the GOP another excuse.

But then, no more excuses. The 108th Congress, which took office in January of last year, was solidly Republican. But since the Republicans have gained control of the Congress, the federal budget (over $2 trillion) and the federal deficit (over $500 billion) are the highest ever, the national debt is over $7 trillion (and increasing an average of $2 billion per day), hundreds of Americans have died on foreign soil, and Americans have even less liberty now than they had before. This time, however, the Republicans have no excuses. The lame excuse that they are not responsible because they didn't control the entire government will not work anymore. And the even lamer excuse that the defection of Vermont Sen. Jim Jeffords so early in Bush's presidency didn't give the Republican majority enough time to do anything won't work either.

The Republicans have now had total control an absolute Republican majority for more than a year. And what did they do during this time? The usual nothing. No egregious legislation was repealed. The welfare state was not rolled back an inch. No federal programs or departments were eliminated. No budgets were cut. In fact, legislation got worse (the USA PATRIOT Act), the welfare state was strengthened (a new prescription drug plan), and a new federal department was created (Homeland Security). So now that the initial euphoria over an absolute Republican majority has subsided and the Republicans have been in charge for a year, the Republican record can be soberly addressed.

There is only one way to describe the record of the Republican majority during its first year: a dismal failure.

Sorry for the "wife" crack (no pun intended).....that was uncalled for...my apologies.

#129 | Posted by woke

Good post, Woke

Kinda got worse after that first year, eh?

Yep. This is news?

As I said, tie will tell. The political pendulum has been swinging back and forth since this country was founded. I've no reason to think it is going to stop, especially since there is a lot of economical damage ahead (I presume you hear the almost daily reports of the dollar losing value?) and the voters will react to it.

Why shouldn't they?

Sorry for the "wife" crack (no pun intended).....that was uncalled for...my apologies.

No harm, no foul.

"Do you know what a hillbilly is? LOL Look it up. I'm far from one. Uneducated maybe (but clearly brighter than you), but not a hillbilly.

#118 | Posted by goatman"

Goatman is right. He is definitely not a hillbilly. I've been to that sorry excuse for a state, and there weren't no hills no how.

Goatman

As I pointed out earlier, demographics are changing rapidly, and the GOP's record when in complete control absolutely contradicts their rhetoric. Plus, they're anti-moderate. Most of America is slightly left or right of center. The GOP is shooting themselves in the foot.

What will they be able to point to in 2010 as a record of 'success'? Saying 'no' the most times?

I've been to that sorry excuse for a state, and there weren't no hills no how.

You've never been to the large portion of the state they call the "Hill Country" apparently. (I live five minutes drive from the border of it) Or West Texas which actually has mountains.

A lot of people are ignorant about Texas. Hence the stupid knee-jerk comments.

Okay, you got me. You are a hillbilly.

What will they be able to point to in 2010 as a record of 'success'? Saying 'no' the most times?

As I said, time wil tell. It would be incredible that the pendulum stopped swinging. And people like you and woke who complacently say, "The last party fucked up so badly, ours will be in power forever" are the very ones who hasten the pendulum's swing.

Keep believing it, timex.

The political pendulum has been swinging back and forth since this country was founded.

#132 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2009-11-02 05:02 PM

Has it?

How many repug congressional majorities have there been?

Let's see now, every 40 years or so, Americans FORGET what happened the last time they elected repug majorities...eh?

2046....

well, maybe....

As I said, time wil tell. It would be incredible that the pendulum stopped swinging. And people like you and woke who complacently say, "The last party fucked up so badly, ours will be in power forever" are the very ones who hasten the pendulum's swing.

Keep believing it, timex.

#138 | Posted by goatman

The major game changer is that demographics have never changed as rapidly as they are now. The GOP insists on making its 'base' smaller as those who vote against them continue to grow in numbers.

Holy shit, I'll bet you know all about Bovina Texas and Texico, New Mexico.....

LOL

i broke down there once a long time ago.....ever hear this song?

Willin' by Little Feat/Lowell George?

And I been from Tuscon to Tucumcari
Tehachapi to Tonapah
Driven every kind of rig that's ever been made
Driven the back roads so I wouldn't get weighed
And if you give me: weed, whites, and wine
And you show me a sign
I'll be willin', to be movin

How many repug congressional majorities have there been?

How many republican presidents have there been.

As I said, go ahead and convince yourself the democrats will be in power forever. The complacency hastens political changes. History has proven this time and again.

The major game changer is that demographics have never changed as rapidly as they are now. The GOP insists on making its 'base' smaller as those who vote against them continue to grow in numbers.

You convinced me. Democrats will be in power forever. LOL

You convinced me. Democrats will be in power forever. LOL

#143 | Posted by goatman

Hmm. I didn't say anything of the kind, but pointed out that at the same time demographics are changing rapidly in the Dems favor the GOP insists on making their 'base' smaller and right wing. "Inclusion" doesn't seem to be in the GOP's category. That'll hurt them in the long run.

How low can they go?

Let's revisit history when the repugs fuel their base and ignore a big tent idea.....

Johnson-43,127,041=61.1% with 44 states and DC carried
Goldwater-27,175,754=38.5% with 6 states carried
_And that was with no third party candidate

OUCH, eh?

Reagan '80 44 states carried
Reagan '84 49 states carried.

Ouch indeed. LOL

reagan/bush41-1980-1992

QUADTRUPLED the national DEBT

read my lips, RIP, eh?

LOL

Woke

The national debt was under 1 trillion when Carter left office. Reagan added $3.5 trillion, Bush 41 over $1 trillion, and W over $7 trillion. Clinton $600 billion.

:-)

read my lips, RIP, eh?

That was Bush, not Reagan.

Reagan 49 states in '84. I can read that, too

Reagan raised taxes every year but his first or he might have been the first (instead of W) to add $7 trillion to the national debt.

Reagan 49 states in '84. I can read that, too

#148 | Posted by goatman at 2009-11-02 05:48 PM

Babbles, The Rig Boy is back.

Babbles, The Rig Boy is back.

I've been back.

Welcome to the present, itsy

Poor goatee doesn't want anyone to remember he voted these failures in office....and won't admit they are failures....if so, why would he still be championing them and their failed policies?

It's not like the repugs are spewing anything new....in fact all they have is namecalling and insults, smear and fear....that's why rushaddict is their leader now....along with little sissyasses like crybaby becky, eh?

Poor goatee doesn't want anyone to remember he voted these failures in office....

???

Is it drugs, or what?

I've always said I didn't like 43 as a president. I've said it for over two years on this blog. I always say he fucked up.

Are you insane, drunk, stupid, all of the above?

along with little sissyasses like crybaby becky, eh?

I don't know. I don't listen to him. You tell me, eh? LOL

but yet, you admitted you VOTED him into office.....

busted, eh?

Eat that shit fly.......

right, you don't listen to rush or crybaby becky or unkkkle kkkarl,.....you get the same rw bs talking point from a rw syncophant here on DR and then regurgitate it over and over also, since you are unable to THINK for yourself

i understand you pretty well.....20%r

ok, ok, i'm not drunk but opening ale #2 tonight....

but yet, you admitted you VOTED him into office.....

I admitted mine was one fifty million who put him into office in 2000.

Your point?

You mean one of the minority of Americans who voted for him?

And you din't vote in 04?

If not, then you are still responsible for his election, imo.

And you din't vote in 04?

Yes I did.

If not, then you are still responsible for his election, imo.

Well, your opinion isn't worth much here, so forgive me if I ignore it.

He voted for Bushco 2x.

Well, your opinion isn't worth much here, so forgive me if I ignore it.

#160 | Posted by goatman

What makes you think your opinion is worth anything more than a bucket of Texas cow piss?

What makes you think your opinion is worth anything more than a bucket of Texas cow piss?

I don't cap'n presumptuous.

Do you need a remedial in that course in how to avoid my posts until killfiles come along? LOL

goat,

If you are from west texas, you are probably familiar with texas cow piss allright......

hundreds of cows standing on mounds of cow shit in a barren plain/plateau....in the hot sun....

If you are from west texas, you are probably familiar with texas cow piss allright......

SW Texas actually.

But cow piss is the same everywhere.

That's right, all the same.

and so are we, all Americans.....and judging from the amount of posting here, needing to interact in some way with others.....either due to being retired or on a boring job somewhere....

So, let's stop the bullshit, put our heads together and find some common ground and fix what's wrong with this country....

for starter's, I'd say take all the money out of elections by creating public funding and set amount of tv time, end all the bs commercials etc.....

insure candidates tell us what they plan to do instead of smearing/attacking others......

what say you goatman?

So, let's stop the bullshit, put our heads together and find some common ground and fix what's wrong with this country....

Just what I keep saying. But I'm not the one who keeps saying "Bush, Cheney, Bush, Cheney, Bush, Cheney". I wonder who is the one who keeps that mantra up, eh? LOL

#167 | Posted by goatman

When the results of their inept administration subside we'll stop mentioning them and their devastating impact on this country.

Funny how we still hear 'Clinton' bandied about, as if he left this country in bad shape. Laughable.

Right, you are the one regurgitating Obama in between calling me a liar.

I believe if you hide from the failed policies you won't discover what went wrong.....ie....those who fail history are doomed to repeat the same mistakes.....whatever...

So, what say you to election reform?

Call your rep about house bill 1826....

Funny how we still hear 'Clinton' bandied about, as if he left this country in bad shape. Laughable.

#168 | POSTED BY TIMEX AT 2009-11-02 09:19 PM

for instance, the "slicksterwillie" character who thinks clinton was in office in 92......

really goatman, don't you feel a little bit ashamed to be posting along with the likes of him and 101 denigrating war vet amputees?

you don't seem quite that stupid, just angry....(which considering your votes, i can understand)

When the results of their inept administration subside we'll stop mentioning them and their devastating impact on this country.

I didn't hear that part of the Messiah's campaign. Maybe I was asleep that day.

really goatman, don't you feel a little bit ashamed to be posting along with the likes of him and 101 denigrating war vet amputees?

Not at all. You lefties are much more volatile and have easier buttons to push than the right. I'm ashamed to say I go after the low hanging fruit, eh?

you don't seem quite that stupid, just angry....(which considering your votes, i can understand)

???

why would my votes make me angry? Can you make sense, please?

pretty funny you worrying about me saying "jebus" but calling obama the messiah over and over.....insulting not only obama, but also the millions of people who believe in a real messiah....

you got some issues sonny

insulting not only obama, but also the millions of people who believe in a real messiah

???

As if I give a fuck? LOL