Mason said the grassroots personhood movement is "exploding." As WND reported, a project inspired by a Zogby/O'Leary poll revealed 71 percent of Americans oppose allowing taxpayer-funded abortions in health-care reform legislation.

"Most of these efforts start with one or two people and grow into something bigger," he said. "As we press forward, I think this is going to grow, and we're seeing that happen."

The Personhood USA website lists states involved in the personhood movement and allows citizens to register with groups in their respective states.

I just love these folks, They will do anything and everything to stop abortions but once that baby is birthed they don't want the state to help take care of it. IE Welfare. Hey You forced birthers why don't You want condoms in schools and other contraception devises?? If You want to stop abortion how about stopping unwanted Pregnancies.

Larry

"According to the movement, if every unborn baby is defined as a person, each baby will be legally guaranteed the same right to life as all Americans."

A fetus is not a baby. Can't be a baby till you're born. *sigh*

But you know, I actually read a World Net Daily article. Wow. Talk about unbiased language. Amazing.

World Nut Daily???

....Jeezus, chapel...are you really that fucking stupid?

World Nut Daily

There goes The_Chapel's credibility.

They printed the story folks, they did not make it up.

The usual Lefty ploy at work. Kinda like Beck and Jones/ACORN. Oh, it ddoes not exist until CNN, NYT or MSNBC covers it.

Of course I know you are all for ending lives in the womb so....

It is expected that you would react this way.

Did not see anything on this on Kos or HuffPo. Let me know if you find anything?

Join us as we save more children to vote.

Wow. Talk about unbiased language. Amazing.

Thanks you made me read the article it seems I need to get my scarcasm meter fixed.

While I am against abortion trying to declare a fetus a person is well kinda stupid. I would like to see parental consent laws (mentioned in the article so not totaly off topic) passed though. It pisses me off that my daughter could get an abortion without me knowing but I would have to sign off to remove her apendix if it were about to burst.

Anyhow the personhood movement is about as bright as the keep the government out of my medicare movement. The sad part is I was part of starting all these when the republicans saw that how efective the Ron Paul movement was. Sigh, the path to hell and good intentions...

Sorry for misleading you, Tao. : )

On parental consent... I guess I need some stats. How often are parents or family the reason (direct reason) a minor is pregnant? And how often will some sort of abuse result (be likely to result)? I mean, kids are sometimes (often?) afraid to admit to pregnancy, right? Wasn't that true even before Roe v. Wade?

Even good people make mistakes--and I think this is often forgotten in this debate (at least on one side). I'm not sure if this part of what I'm saying fits with my thoughts on parental consent, but I wonder. A kid who gets pregnant should be excoriated?

And of course, Tao, an early abortion is much less dangerous/invasive than an appendectomy. A D&C is not surgery. (I'm talking medically here, not morally.) But I get your point. From my sense of you, you're not a parent who would cause concern for any proponent of girls being able to abort without parental consent.

Prag,

No I doubt that my reasons for wanting to be notified as a parent are what the folks against parental consent are worried about. Except that would encourage her to keep the baby and either give it up for adoption or let grandpapy Tao raise it.

I do understand the reson some are against parental consent (or even notification) and I guess I would have to see some numbers before I could agree that it is more dangerous for the child to notify the parents.

For a conservative I am pretty liberal on abortion. I have no issue with the morning after pill, no issue with rape or incest or medical neccesity. However for any other reason I am pretty strongly opposed to abortion. If my daughter chose to get one I would be deeply disapointed but would not beat her or punish her too severly.

I guess my whole issue with lack of notification is for parents like myself, how are we to deal with a situaton we know nothing about? I mean if you caught a kid masturbating at school you would tell his parents so they could deal with it right? I know it's not the same thing but the best analog I could come up with at the moment.

It makes sense. A human means nothing to leftists, who view humanity as numbers and "masses." A person, however, is sacrosanct, neutered and sexless.

Fine. Let the fucking embryos mow my lawn.

"seeks to legally define every unborn baby as a "person" protected by God-given and constitutionally protected rights"

First, the phrase "God-given" makes the initiative a non-starter.

Second, do these idiots realize that will make every menstrual period investigable, or is that their plan?

"They printed the story folks, they did not make it up."

What a dumbass.

Probably says the same thing about National Enquirer.

"It makes sense. A human means nothing to leftists, who view humanity as numbers and "masses." A person, however, is sacrosanct, neutered and sexless."

One of the less informed comments I've seen in a while.

Uh, who started the Iraq war, Diablo? Who talks about innocent people being killed? As in human beings. Bizarre, man; just bizarre.

Uh, who started the Iraq war, Diablo?
......#14 | Posted by pragmatist

.....these Christians only care about people before they are born.......

......after that, they're cannon fodder for the military-industrial-corporate complex........

" If we can get a challenge up to the Supreme Court, then that's the ideal thing. "

.....just going to lose if you get there ......

...this is just a red herring to tease the bible-thumpers into supporting the Republicans.......

......some suckers never learn........

50 million Americans dead
it affects immigration,
the healthcare debate,
social security,
breast cancer rates,
depression rates,
child abuse rates,
infertility rates,
and has shifted every election away from pro-choice for at least 13 years.

But as Kobayashi would say,
"abort away"

if you pro-public option people care about the healthcare bill, you'll contact your congresspeople and tell them to take the funding for abortion OUT because it will likely be THE THING that will sink it.

Uh, prag? I am against the war and am not a lefty.

breast cancer rates,
depression rates,
child abuse rates,
infertility rates,
........#17 | Posted by kirk

......and don't forget the crime rate......

......abortion lowers the crime rate, as it tends to be unwanted children who become criminals......

Right, skizziks
But RAISES child abuse rates,
Abortion RAISES breast cancer rates,
Abortion RAISES depression and suicide rates, incidences of infertility.

Bush would've lost in 2000 and 2004 if it weren't for abortion.

Were the (arguably) lower crime rates worth 8 years of the Bush presidency, and all the other things?

Talking of the REALITY of abortion, not the LEGALITY of abortion here.

But RAISES child abuse rates,
........#21 | Posted by kirk

...if there is no child, then who does the parent abuse ?......

....better check your factoids Kirk.......

Were the (arguably) lower crime rates worth 8 years of the Bush presidency, and all the other things?
......#21 | Posted by kirk

.....nothing was worth the Bush presidency.......

.....but Bush had nothing to do with abortion, aside from using it as a red herring to help get out the bible-thumping vote........

....Jeezus, chapel...are you really that fucking stupid?

#4 | Posted by Dave at 2009-11-01 10:40 AM |

Yes, he is.

But RAISES child abuse rates,........#21 | Posted by kirk...if there is no child, then who does the parent abuse ?..........better check your factoids Kirk.......#22 | Posted by skizziks at 2009-11-02 12:36 PM | Reply

"The paper notes that despite the increased responsibilities and stress involved in raising children, 'numerous studies have documented positive psychological characteristics associated with motherhood including increases in life satisfaction, self-esteem, empathy, restraint, flexibility and resourcefulness in coping, and assertiveness.'"

"...While all forms of pregnancy loss can cause emotional distress that can impact future parenting, the available research indicates that emotional responses after induced abortion are more likely to go unresolved and to persist for a longer time period."

"...having an abortion is "sometimes quite inconsistent with the woman's true desires" (one survey found that 64 percent of American women who had abortions reported feeling pressured to abort), and many women, especially those who feel conflicted or didn't want the abortion, do feel emotional distress afterwards."

"The best evidence regarding negative effects of abortion indicates that 20-30 percent will experience serious psychological problems," Coleman wrote. "With 1.3 million U.S. abortions performed annually, a minimum of 130,000 new cases of abortion-related mental health problems appear each year. And while abortion advocates frequently argue that abortion is better than carrying an unplanned pregnancy to term, the evidence suggests otherwise. Studies of women with unplanned pregnancies found that women who aborted had higher risks of depression, substance abuse and anxiety, and teens who aborted an unintended pregnancy were more likely to experience negative mental health outcomes than their peers who carried to term."

Abortion harms the survivors of abortion too!

Further down it talks about child abuse--not hard to imagine, especially for the SIXTY FOUR PERCENT COERCED into abortion!

Pro-life is more compassionate towards the LIVING, not just those in utero.

#25 | Posted by kirk at 2009-11-02 01:23 PM | Reply | Flag

LOL---when I see the Forced Birthers fighting for higher welfare rates, and fighting for Universal Health Care, you'll have a point. Until then you are just a nut case talking out your ass.

Ever help out a poor person?
Private charity helps out, and is more empowering, than public welfare.

I help such people out daily.
YOU appear to be the person speaking out their ass.

Btw, who started the first hospitals?

If your "charity" can only be one way, you don't ultimately care for the poor.

Btw, who started the first hospitals?
......#28 | Posted by kirk at 2009-11-02 01:53 PM

.....pagan Greeks......|

In ancient cultures, religion and medicine were linked. The earliest known institutions aiming to provide cure were Egyptian temples. Greek temples dedicated to the healer-god Asclepius might admit the sick, who would wait for guidance from the god in a dream. The Romans adopted his worship. Under his Roman name sculapius, he was provided with a temple (291 BC) on an island in the Tiber in Rome, where similar rites were performed.[1]

The Sinhalese (Sri Lankans) are perhaps responsible for introducing the concept of dedicated hospitals to the world. According to the Mahavamsa, the ancient chronicle of Sinhalese royalty written in the 6th century A.D., King Pandukabhaya (4th century BC) had lying-in-homes and hospitals (Sivikasotthi-Sala) built in various parts of the country. This is the earliest documentary evidence we have of institutions specifically dedicated to the care of the sick anywhere in the world.[2][3] Mihintale Hospital is the oldest in the world.[4] Ruins of ancient hospitals in Sri Lanka are still in existence in Mihintale, Anuradhapura and Medirigiriya.[5]

Institutions created specifically to care for the ill also appeared early in India. King Ashoka is said to have founded at least 18 hospitals ca. 230 BC, with physicians and nursing staff, the expense being borne by the royal treasury.[6]

......so if we get The Public Option ......

....we will have finally caught up to 230 BC India......

Skizziks,
Back to the future, huh?
I'd prefer the freedom of our modern constitutional republic to ancient India. Sorry.

Why isn't there a St. Asclepius hospital around anymore?

I'd prefer the freedom of our modern constitutional republic to ancient India. Sorry.
......#32 | Posted by kirk

......enjoy it while you still feel that it seems to be here......

......cause I think it expired some time ago......

I don't think President Obama has made freedom expire THAT bad, skizziks.

The left uses the constitution POSTERITY to get their environmentalist agenda pushed.

You know future generations...

legally define every unborn baby as a "person" protected by God-given and constitutionally protected rights, including the right to life.

Which article guarantees the right to life? It's in the Declaration, but that's basically just a sales pitch, not the law of the land.

World Nut Daily? Will they ever learn...?