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Sunday, November 01, 2009

Starting Sunday, cash-strapped California will withhold 10% more than it already does in state income taxes -- a move that's not paired with an income tax increase. "Think of it as a forced, interest-free loan," the Los Angeles Times reports.

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Coming soon, to a country near you?

Sounds like something the federal government would think of doing.

Glad I quit working.

Why don't they just tax cars?

Ummmmmmm how do You expect cars to pay taxes?? Do You want them to waddle into the Court house on their back wheels?? Oh and what happens when say a ford is standing inline next to a Yugo. Are they gonna start a fight??

Another scam.

I pay quarterly--so not to see much of this.

But I do have to pay $800.00 at the beginning of the year just for the privilege of having a business in CA.

They apply it to your state income taxes at the end of the year--but never comes as a rebate if there are funds left over.

And Silver--the DMV fees did go up. And this was the reason Davis was recalled.

And this was the reason Davis was recalled.

I know. I lived out there then.

I left right after Arnie took over.

Lost my tech job and couldn't afford a CA mortgage.

I wish I was still there.

The Central Coast is paradise.

Yeah got an email from HR, this week regarding this.

Imagine going into the XMas season, and finding out they are going to take out a little more..that should be good for the economy.

Its a confiscation, the whole idea that they can just call up the company and have it witheld was surprising, I thought I would have seen some legislation, of course I could have missed it.

Sometimes I think it is forgotten, they aren't just taking your money, but your time, and in that regard a little of your life.

Good for California. People must learn to pay.

Tongue in cheek, JACK? Sounds like something I would have said, but you and I are on the opposite ends of the political speculum, er, spectrum.

Good for California. People must learn to pay.
#8 | POSTED BY JACKASS

Then he complains about jobs disappearing.

#8 | Posted by jackass at 2009-11-01 04:42 PM | Reply | Flag: WHOLE PERSONA IS TONGUE IN CHEEKS

"And this was the reason Davis was recalled."

Davis was recalled because he punted the "energy crisis" brought to us by assholes like Enron.

The "car tax" was always 1.5% until it was set to .6% in 1998, during the "dot.com boom".

Arnold is a pea-brain asshole.

"The Central Coast is paradise."

True that. Although, with the mass influx of carpetbagging wine producers it's starting to get creepy. Love Cambria.

Be warned. I'm reading from other sources that Congress is looking at preventing people from withdrawing money or selling out their 401Ks. I've been expecting this. The next step would be to absorb the money into SS and probably company pensions eventually.

When governments are desperate for money, they have no scruples where they get it from. I read another horror story recently that happened in England. Police confiscated all the money in safe deposit boxes in a private vault. Don't even keep valuables in a bank.

"They apply it to your state income taxes at the end of the year--but never comes as a rebate if there are funds left over."

Of course it does...it's called a tax refund.

"recently that happened in England. Police confiscated all the money in safe deposit boxes in a private vault."

Link?

Good for California. People must learn to pay.
#8 | POSTED BY JACKASS

Then he complains about jobs disappearing.

#10 | Posted by Ray

Rasta is living for the day when a "job" is separated from the concept of actually accomplish anything. He thinks the job belongs to the employee not the employer and that the taxes paid to the government should be used to enforce these views.

#16 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

"The raid that rocked the Met: Why gun and drugs op on 6,717 safety deposit boxes could cost taxpayer a fortune"

www.dailymail.co.uk

Ray,

That's a scary article, to be sure.

One line caught me, though: "Under POCA, the burden of proof lay with the box-holders."

In the UK, I guess it's guilty until proven innocent.

Of course it does...it's called a tax refund.

#15 | Posted by Danforth

No Dan--it doesn't--not from the State of CA.

If you use it up for your state income taxes--then it's used up.

But if you owed less than the 800--you never see it again. There is no refund.

And you get to pay another 800 for the new year.

The democraps in Sacramento will seize money from Californians bank acounts and IRAs next!! If you live in that stupid whacko lib state PULL YOUR MONEY OUT NOW!!!

Elect Demotards and that's the kind of Social Justice you can expect.

Folks, I'll guarantee you that this is just the beginning and it will go beyond California. This government has screwed up big time in the past and it has been because of corporate socialism (welfare: corporatism)-- that includes the "military-undustrial comlex" (as warned by Eisenhouwer in his farewell speech) and public large corporations (especially, the investment banks). A fire-wall has to be placed between government and big business and if it is any business that should have a relationship it should be small business since they produce most of the jobs. The second area that should be reformed is the federal government and the size and function should be considerably reduced. The third leg of the stool would be to drive the consumer (policy)to more savings. Probably the fourth area would be a coherent long term enery policy. The fifth would be to limit the power of the fed ( tieing the creation of money to some standard instead of continual unlimited printing of money.) I've watched this train wreck coming for years and none of what has happened surprised me-- although the "experts" didn't and that should scare the heck out of you.

#23

Good post.

Big business has way too much power. I'd never vote GOP because they always hand them more and more power

In the UK, I guess it's guilty until proven innocent.
#19 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

That's the MO you can expect here. The precedent was already sent. Surely, you are familiar with RICO. The narcos would confiscate cars if they found drugs in them. When they find large denominations of money, they'll call it drug money.

This is another reason to cash out and convert savings to gold and silver, properly hidden and stored. In these times, it's safer than a bank.

Ray in your apt is not properly hidden.

Secondly everybody knows you have gold. When all hell breaks loose the thugs will demand you give up your hiding spot.

#34--- Timex, thanks, but the dems were as much in the bed of big business as the repugs--- I could give you many examples. By the way, Obama was given a lot more in donations from wallstreet then any other candidate--- I saw that in a past study but would have to do some digging to pull that up.

This will be a huge court case by next week, trust me.

This is economics 101. Initially seizing money from people's paychecks will raise more money but it won't be long before it raises less revenue as businesses and people leave the state. Real extate will continue to drop in value and the State of California will be in a DEATH SPIRAL financially. Couldn't happen to a more fucked up blue state though. HaHaHaHaHa!!

Ray in your apt is not properly hidden.
#26 | POSTED BY JACKASS

When you break in, you're welcome to take all you find.

Secondly everybody knows you have gold. When all hell breaks loose the thugs will demand you give up your hiding spot.
#27 | POSTED BY JACKASS

Watch out for booby traps.

Real extate will continue to drop in value and the State of California will be in a DEATH SPIRAL financially.

So is New York. We had a thread here about a week ago. Income taxes are driving out the wealthy and decreasing revenue.

"Real extate(sic)"

ROFL

Ray, gold is not bad but copper is better.

California is so messed up that Mexicans will be moving back to Mexico and Okies will be going back to Oklahoma.

Why is the S.F. Chronicle not all over this like stink on shit?

Ray, gold is not bad but copper is better.
#34 | POSTED BY FWTHOM

That assumes you have the space to store the bulk.

California is so messed up that Mexicans will be moving back to Mexico and Okies will be going back to Oklahoma.

I believe illegal border crossings have dropped considerably.

Now if we could do something about Hollywood.

Boo Hoo Hoo!!!

Hey Californians you willingly and enthusiastically voted for that obscene,no talent cartoon named Schwarzenegger and so what you got was...exactly that - a Schwarzenneger Government!

Just cut all local state and Fed jobs salary by 10%!!!!!!!

Everyone needs to raise the state exemptions on their payroll so that they will owe California money next year. Anyone who hasn't already done this with the famous CA IOUs should have their head examined

And our California legislature wonders WHY its more prosperous taxpayers and small businesses are moving to Nevada, Arizona, etc. John Galt is shrugging; the Dems just don't see it, so blinded are they by their profligate taxing and spending --- just can't stop themselves from killing the Golden Goose.

Anyone ever fly over Lake Havasu? Well about 99.99% of the development is on the Arizona side of the river and not on the California side. Take 3 guesses as to why and the first two don't count. I guess higher tax rates are bringing in more revenues for Ca there .... Not!!! It is a good example of that flawed liberal religion

I reminisced my 7-year stint in Kalifornia the other day with a loving smile. now I vividly recall why I left. this sounds like something hugo chavez would do.

it's called a tax refund.

#15 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-11-01 05:04 PM | Reply

Is Calif paying those out with IOU's too?

I always make sure my withholding never covers all of the taxes I owe to both the fed and the state. I always owe a little. That way I have control over when they get paid and not the other way around.

If I lived in CA I would check with my HR dept to make sure that I was paying in exactly what I need to pay in to avoid penalties.

"If I lived in CA I would check with my HR dept to make sure that I was paying in exactly what I need to pay in to avoid penalties."

IIRC, this year CA is charging 5% on ANY amounts owed.

Dan,

5% penalty on a small amount is much better than a worthless CA IOU refund IMHO.

Good for California. People must learn to pay.

#8 | Posted by jackass

Yes, they must learn to pay for the things they want. Just wait till they do away with their wide screen TVs.

If the 10% is going to help fund social programs there is no valid complaints.

Glad I left. California only makes sense if you are under prop 13. Other than that, you are a slave with sunglasses.

No one is forcing Americans to live in California, they should all vote with their feet.

Here's your chance, Californios, to move to a state that has no state income tax at all:

Alaska
Florida
Nevada
New Hampshire
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Washington
Wyoming

Interesting to note that while all states are suffer to some extent, none of these are taking things hard, and some, like Texas and Alaska, are doing very well.

As much as reading this makes me feel for the people that live in CA, it is their own fault.
They have let their state gov't run rough-shod over them for so long, it is going to be very painful to fix their ails (if it can be done at this point).

And this is a great lesson that the rest of the country BETTER HEED!!!!
This is what an ultra-liberal gov't brings to its people. Taxed into the poor house and zero accountability.
Everyone who welcomes gov't health care and MORE gov't "oversight", be careful what you ask for!!!

It is time to take our country back, vote conservative!!
R or D is irrelevant, financial conservativeness is what we need. The social programs must stop.

#52 | Posted by SpokaneJim
Alaska
Florida
Nevada
New Hampshire
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Washington
Wyoming

Interesting to note that while all states are suffer to some extent, none of these are taking things hard, and some, like Texas and Alaska, are doing very well.

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I'm shocked.

Also Alaska used to pay people to live there, I'm not sure if they do now.

Alaska continues to have the Alaska Permanent Fund Dividend, which is what most people are talking about when they say that Alaska "pays" people to live there. 2009 payments, paid last month, were $1305 per person. The amount depends upon the investment earnings of the Fund in a given year. Not really enough to keep people in Alaska if they don't really want to be there, but a nice bit of change for a family of 5. Many use the money for a winter trip to Hawaii.

"If you use it up for your state income taxes--then it's used up.

But if you owed less than the 800--you never see it again. There is no refund.

And you get to pay another 800 for the new year.

#20 | Posted by MURPHY"

Murphy's "business" is obviously a little profitless piece of shit.

No one is forcing Americans to live in California, they should all vote with their feet.

#51 | Posted by 90c2cab

Good idea! Americans get out of California! Especially Texans! You need our stuff? We'll gladly ship it to you.

And I will gladly pay my extra 10% so long as they leave me and my grow room alone!

I expect to double and triple my personal "stimulus package" by this time next year. It will be worth the extra 10% tax.

Business is blooming!

i guess that's one good thing about not having a paycheck.

Murphy's "business" is obviously a little profitless piece of shit.

#56 | Posted by mOntecOre

I earned $107,000 last year and paid both state and the feds taxes...

Is $100,000 net supposed to be a good living in California? Not to anyone I know.

$100,000 GROSS I meant.

Unless you really want SchwarzenScheisse to take your dollars before their time, file your DE4 (it's the Kali equiv to a W4) with increased dependents.

One of the multitude of reasons I'm leaving this state which is hell bent on destroying itself.

Sad.

One of the multitude of reasons I'm leaving this state which is hell bent on destroying itself.
Sad.
#63 | Posted by CalifChris

Too true.
Won't help, but might be of interest:

HOW THE GOLDEN STATE GOT TARNISHED
By Harold Meyerson

To understand why the woes of California's economy threaten the nation's, we must understand the state's road to insolvency. The Age of Reagan did not commence with the Great Communicator's inauguration in 1981. For its real beginning, we need to go back to June 1978, when Californians went to the polls and enacted Proposition 13.

By passing Howard Jarvis's malign initiative, California voters reduced the Golden State to baser metal. Under Republican Gov. Earl Warren and Democratic Gov. Pat Brown, California epitomized the postwar American dream. Its public schools, from kindergarten through Berkeley and UCLA, were the nation's finest; its roads and aqueducts the most efficient at moving cars and water -- the state's lifeblood -- to their destinations. All this was funded by some of the nation's highest taxes, which fell in good measure on the state's flourishing banks and corporations.

Amid the inflation of the late 1970s, however, the California model began to crumple. As incomes and property values rose, Sacramento's tax revenue soared -- but the parsimonious Democratic governor, Jerry Brown, neither spent those funds nor rebated them. With the state sitting on a $5 billion surplus, frustrated Californians grumped to the polls and passed Proposition 13, which rolled back and then froze property taxes -- effectively destroying the funding base of local governments and school districts, which thereafter depended largely on Sacramento for their revenue. Ranked fifth among the states in per-pupil spending during the 1950s and '60s, California sank to Mississippi-like levels -- the mid-40s -- by the 1990s.

Since 1978, state and local government in California has been funded chiefly by personal income taxes. Bank and corporation taxes have been steadily reduced. In the current recession, with state unemployment at 11 percent, tax revenue has fallen off a cliff.

But the problem with Proposition 13 wasn't merely that it reduced revenue. It also made it very difficult to increase revenue. Raising taxes now requires a two-thirds vote of the legislature, though in 47 other states a simple majority suffices. California has become overwhelmingly Democratic in the past two decades, but Republicans have managed to retain footholds -- representing just over one-third of the districts -- in both houses of the legislature.
(Continued...)

The conservative backlash of 1978 also swept into the legislature a new, proto-Reaganistic generation of Republicans, who dubbed themselves "the Neanderthals." Compared to today's GOP state legislators, though, the Neanderthals look like Diderot's Encyclopedists. The current Republican crop has refused in good times as well as bad to raise business or other taxes (increasing the tobacco tax, for instance, has failed each of the past 14 times it has come up for a vote). Abetted by little local Limbaughs who inflame Republican brains, they protest that the state already has the nation's highest taxes. In fact, California ranks 18th among the states in percentage of personal income paid to state government, and its presumably beleaguered wealthiest 1 percent, according to Citizens for Tax Justice, pays just 7.4 percent of their income to the state, while the poorest Californians pay 10.2 percent.

But the myth of soak-the-rich high taxation persists among Republicans -- so much so that the GOP front-runner to succeed Arnold Schwarzenegger in next year's gubernatorial election, former eBay CEO Meg Whitman, is calling for cuts in business tax rates even though the state is staring at a $21 billion deficit that it somehow has to close. In short order, unless the federal government steps in with a bridge loan, the state will throw 940,000 poor children off its health-care rolls and lay off tens of thousands of teachers.

Because California is so much larger than any other state, and its unemployment rate among the nation's highest, the collapse of its capacity to spend will counteract some of the effect of the federal stimulus and retard the nation's recovery -- much as its aerospace slump retarded the recovery of the mid-1990s. The Obama administration ignores California's plight at its own -- and the nation's -- peril. The nation's banks are stuck with so much bad paper from California mortgages gone awry that a huge contraction in state spending would make their assets even more toxic. In the short term, the only way to avoid a further downturn may be a federal loan to the state.

A more permanent, homegrown solution to California's woes (and it may take a state constitutional convention to get it) would require the state to eliminate the two-thirds threshold for enacting taxes, to repeal Proposition 13's freeze on the value of commercial properties (some of which are still assessed at their 1978 levels) and to end the process of ballot-box budgeting through the initiative process, which is now more dominated by monied interests than the legislature ever was. In Washington, the Age of Reagan may have shuddered to an inglorious end, but we also need action from state governments -- and Sacramento in particular -- to move us toward a more sustainable economic future.
www.washingtonpost.com

Meyerson? Now that is an unbiased source. He knows as much about economics as DANNI. Try again Doc.

The only thing that matters is the opinion of the people/businesses who are leaving the state, or the ones that are not looking at California as a place to set up shop, and according to them the cost of living and the cost of doing business in that state are to high.

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