So?

Seeing him at Dover was sobering and was good to see the CiC doing.

Time to try on my Halloween Costume again. Going as a Republican this year. Want to see? Ok, here it goes.........

"Bullshit!"

Still fucking scary huh?

Between the 11th and 12th holes.

"I once thought about joining the military"

-BHO (stoned)

Yeah, my outfit is a painters suit with the word NO written all over it.

And I'll have a girl name Kristin standing to my right.

Do you know only one family signed a release for that photo op?

What was that guy from SC said to him during his speech to congress? Again!

I think I remember Bush saying something similar.

I'm going as David Koresh for Halloween. I've been praciticing my psycho babble religiously for the last week.

Costume is pretty accurate huh?

"The burden that both our troops and their families bear in any wartime situation is going to bear on how I see these conflicts, and it is something that I think about each and every day." -- President Obama

Yet you still have yet to make a decision on Afghanistan. We already know how you felt about the troops in Iraq when you wanted to surrender and leave. Is Afghanistan far behind?

That pretty much rounds out the standard talking points of the right.

Oh oh, quick, someone say ACORN. That should do it.

Can't you guys come up with anything besides what is on Rush's station? Come on, try to be original once in awhile.

Let's sum it up...

Health Care... we need to take our time and go slow on something so important.

Afghanistan.... we need to hurry up and make a decision on something so important.

Sincerely,

The Right.

Hurry up and decide Mr. President so that the Obamahaters can call you either a quitter or a war monger.

Yeah the Obama haters are pure scum to declare Obama's thoughtful decision makingon whether to send more troops into harms way or not. Yet these same scum thoroughly supported Dubya's hasty entrance into that Illegal War in Iraq and You see how THAT turned out. Lost the very second it began. Funny how the Right just can't win.

Larry

eenie menie minie mo,what to do ,what to do?

Jimmy, my understanding is that the public option won't be fully operational until 2013 so the need to wait and discuss a bill this huge seems justified.

^.^

"The burden that both our troops and their families bear in any wartime situation is going to bear on how I see these conflicts, and it is something that I think about each and every day ... and then I come back to reality and laugh my ass off." -- President Obummer

How do You get by with spamming this site??

"...Yet these same scum thoroughly supported Dubya's hasty entrance into that Illegal War in Iraq... " - LAR #15

. Let's put it this way OohRah. The inspection process had not been completed and that the UN Security Council had not made up it's mind on what to do with Iraq. So You guys supported a hasty entrance into that illegal war of aggression. Dubya was going into Iraq no matter what OohRah He hastily decided this before He even became President. But do carry on carrying water for the guy. It helps the Republicans out that's all You care about,

Larry

Just stating facts, LAR. So is that "hasty" - a year and a half?

The inspection process had been going on since the conditions of surrender Saddam agreed to back in the first Iraq war.

Heck, if we'd listened to Ted Kennedy, we'd never have gone in back in '91 and still been enforcing a trade embargo.

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"Health Care... we need to take our time and go slow on something so important."

That would be because the government is planning on taking over 1/6th of the nation's economy when they can't even distribute the swine flu vaccine properly ... maybe they oughta slow down and figure out how they're going to do all of this *before* it gets passed...

"Afghanistan.... we need to hurry up and make a decision on something so important."

That would be because too few troops in a live-fire zone tend to be nothing but glorified targets. If Afghanistan is the "right" war, as Obummer has said, we need to give the commanding general the troops and materials he needs to do the damn job.

Or does Obummer fancy the idea of the US armed forces running home with their tails between their legs after being whipped by a bunch of illiterate towel-heads?

Oh wait ... he does.

The inspection process had been going on since the conditions of surrender Saddam agreed to back in the first Iraq war.

Heck, if we'd listened to Ted Kennedy, we'd never have gone in back in '91 and still been enforcing a trade embargo.

Posted by OohRah at 2009-10-30 06:57 PM | Reply

And that is what we had agreed to when we signed onto the UN Resolutions that You seem to have a problem adhereing to aqlong with Your COnservative brethern. Which is positively fucked up.

Larry

Oh and OohRah if it wasn't such a hasty entrace as You claim why did Dubya order the inspectors out 48 Hours before bombing began??? If that isn't hasty I don't know what is. You don't bully Your way into someplace until it's emptied out on it's own.

Larry

"...why did Dubya order the inspectors out 48 Hours before bombing began..." - LAR

Are you serious with that question?

"...why did Dubya order the inspectors out 48 Hours before bombing began..." - LAR

Are you serious with that question?

Posted by OohRah at 2009-10-30 07:18 PM | Reply

Nah dude I just type for the hell of it. Of course I am serious OohRah You are the guy de3sperate enough to declare Dubya didn't make a hasty entrance into Iraq. If He didn't why did He order the inspectors out 48 hours before bombing INSTEAD OF LETTING THENM DO THEIR JOBS AND INSPECTING. No I am deadly serious with that question OohRah.

Larry

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I still say the reason that happened was that Bush didnt want the UN inspectors becoming the first casualties once the bullets started flying, but go ahead and ascribe sinister motives to it, by all means...

LAR-
We were going in during an "x" timeframe. Dubya went so far as to telegraph our impending invasion. His warning was humanitarian... so as not to have innocent people in the way.

Would you have preferred he not have provided a warning to investigators? Doubtful. You would rather we have not gone there in the first place.

You and I have debated this issue numerous times. You're a fart in the wind... arguing an "illegal" war. It's been since 2003. You'd think that with all the knives pointed Dubya's way... and with Dems running congress since 2006... that we'd have seen some serious prosecutorial efforts by now. Many people HATED Dubya (you, too, perhaps still do). So why no prosecution after all this time?

Yeah, Bush really cared about the UN inspectors...

Funny how the UN and "old Europe" were just as much enemies of the US as Saddam was back in those days.

You and I have debated this issue numerous times. You're a fart in the wind... arguing an "illegal" war. It's been since 2003. You'd think that with all the knives pointed Dubya's way... and with Dems running congress since 2006... that we'd have seen some serious prosecutorial efforts by now. Many people HATED Dubya (you, too, perhaps still do). So why no prosecution after all this time?

Posted by OohRah at 2009-10-30 07:35 PM | Reply

Says the asshole who supported an Illegal War of aggression. Hows that blood btw have You gotten it off of Your hands yet buddy??? May I suggest using Lava Handsoap and alcohol. Truck loads of it. I am sorry that the Democrats are lousy OohRah. I am sorry that since the Democrats took over in 2007 that they didn't prosecute Dubya and Cheney for their Illegal War. You can say all You want to it doesn't change the facts that it is an Illegal War. Even Richard Perle aqqditted to it. Sucks to be a supporter of such an event OohRah isn't it???? I am sorry that You have no clue.

Larry

We were going in during an "x" timeframe. Dubya went so far as to telegraph our impending invasion. His warning was humanitarian... so as not to have innocent people in the way.

Would you have preferred he not have provided a warning to investigators? Doubtful. You would rather we have not gone there in the first place.

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Ummmmm no I would want Dubya to do what was aLEGAL and wait until the inspection p[rocess was finished and the UN Security COuncil deciding trhe next steps afterwards LIKE THE UNITED STYATES AGREED UPON. But people like You OohRah just don't give a fuck about our agreements nor the laws of said aghreements so why bother OohRah.

Larry

We were going in during an "x" timeframe. Dubya went so far as to telegraph our impending invasion. His warning was humanitarian... so as not to have innocent people in the way.

I would LOL at this statement if it weren't for the over 1 million dead.

Oh and another thing OohRah if the Iraq War was so legal and that the AUMF of October 2002 gave Him the authority why then did He use the AUMF of scant days after 9/11/01?? I'll tell You. Because the one that was signed not scant days after 9/11/01 gave Him the authoritry the go after the ones who attacked us on that day which would have automatically drawn on Article 51 of the UN Charter meaning no UN Security COuncil authority was necvessary. Of course we both know Iraq nor Saddam Hussein didn't attack us on 9/11/01 sdo You can not say that was a valid AUMF for Iraq. But do continue to call Me a fart in the wind for standing up to what is right even if it hurts.

Larry

LAR-

Perle is hardly a Bush supporter - he's like you. But words are just words.

I guess we'd see you in court. Back it up, legally, or STFU up, many righties have been told... so if the shoe fits...

It's been how long now... 2003? Your guys have been in power since 2006. Surely someone, anyone, who'd disagree with Dubya would have pressed this issue? Why not?

Are you madder at Dubya or your buddies in the Dem party who lack political courage?

Why don't you make a citizen's arrest? Join forces with others of your mindset and press this issue?

Otherwise you're pretty much relegated to the status of a fart in the wind.

In all our debates over this issue you've never moved off your singular point. Is the world wrong and you're right?

"Your guys have been in power since 2006."

Flag: / Flunked civics class

Like hell OohRah Richard Perle was part of Dubya's inner circle of supporters and was part of His administration until He had to resign because of a conflict of interest issue. You can spew all Your garbage all You want to OohRah it simply is garbage because it's not fact based. It's just right winged tripe. Oh and OohRah the Democrats didn't take over until January 03 2007 SEVEN not SIX. Oh and another thing the Nonparticipating Members of the UN Security Council declared it Illegal at jump street. The only reason why we aren't sanctioned today(Like We should be) is because we and Great Britan hold Veto power in the UN Security Council. By rights we should be nailed to the wall just like we nailed NAZI Germany after WW2. Truth be told.

Larry

Last two years of Dubya's run, DAN. Dems have chaired the committees... had the votes, etc, to do what they wanted to do in the House.

Do you disagree?

"Dems have chaired the committees... had the votes, etc, to do what they wanted to do in the House. Do you disagree?"

Um...yes. Are you completely unaware of the all-time record for filibusters the Republicans set in less than half the time, as well as the Republican in the White House?

Have the Dems pushed this issue? Surely their comrades in the press would have helped box in the Reps. Edumacte me, so to speak.

"Have the Dems pushed this issue? "

Whoa...now you're moving the goalposts. Either you know how parliamentary procedures work, or you don't. Which is it?

Oh and OohRah I'm glad that I am as You say a Farty in the wind because someday Our Country will acknowledge it's illegal behavior and I will be vindicated just like I was about Fred Phelps verdict being overturned. I will wait My due OohRah. How about You??

Larry

"Whoa...now you're moving the goalposts. Either you know how parliamentary procedures work, or you don't. Which is it?" - DAN

You're the one moving the goalposts by citing Rep filibusters. I'm asking you whether Dems have pushed this issue... and whether Reps have filibustered it.

To this point all you've doing is to toss out the Rep proclivity for filibusters without specifying whether or not Dems have voted to push legal issues or whether any Rep filibuster has been in response to this specific issue.

Frankly, Dems chair the House committees. Filibusters occur in the Senate. The House is much more partisan. If Dems want something to happen within the House, it'll happen. Reps can't block it.

^.^

Oh Hell, let's go back to 2002 & 2003, when a lot of Dems lined up behind the administration and voted for a war that they later said was a terrible idea, and a "mistake".

Let's sum it up...
Health Care... we need to take our time and go slow on something so important.
Afghanistan.... we need to hurry up and make a decision on something so important.
Sincerely,
The Right.

I think that pretty much sums it up. I stand behind my president and I support him.

I voted for him.

I believed in him then and I believe in him now.

But I sincerely believe he has his priorities backwards.

BS!

Obama thinks of another photo-op.

The House is much more partisan. If Dems want something to happen within the House, it'll happen. Reps can't block it.
#44 | Posted by OohRah at 2009-10-30 08:33 PM

Which is why Clyburn came out and said they don't have the votes...

Oct 28, 2009 ... "We currently do not have the votes for a robust public option," she said. ... and Clyburn's numbers indicate they don't have the 218 votes ...

Obama: I Think of Fallen Soldiers 'Every Day'

Badumbum ... Thanks folks, I'll be here through 2012. Be sure an tip your democratic congressman.

In other news on the "Culture of Corruption" several dozens congressmen are being investigated in ethic probes.

Some of these names have already gotten attention:Charlie Rangel, John Murtha, Marcy Kaptur, Pete Visclosky, Maxine Waters, Norm Dicks, Jo Bonner, and Zoe Lofgren. The large majority of these congressmen seem to be Democrats. Will this create a discussion in the media about the Democrats' ethic problems?

You can not say that was a valid AUMF for Iraq. But do continue to call Me a fart in the wind for standing up to what is right even if it hurts.

Larry

Like saying all the dems who voted for it were under the impression Bush would go to the UN first and all the repubs understood it as a vote to invade? That stand up Larry?

Murphy only Dubya made sure He had enough Photo Ops.

His landing on USS Abraham Lincoln under the Mission Accomplished banner

His fucked up plastic turkey photo op in Iraq.

His fucked up photo op in New Orleans.

Hell His PARENTS photo op to try and soothe the populace over for their Sons devistating response to Hurricane Katrina. I mean hell it must royally suck for the Bushites when Dubya's own Mommy and Daddy had to go on NATIONAL TV to try and make something nice out of their shitty Son. I mean doesn't that eat at a Bushite even today??

Larry

What a B.S. artist this man is. If he had one thought in his head about our troops, fallen or not, he would have already sent reinforcements for them so they aren't slaughtered needlessly by this ruthless enemy. Empty suit. Empty soul.

The Obamahaters are out in force on this thread.

Yeppers Danni it's disgusting as well as disheartening to say the very least.

Larry

So, how do you think of them, Mr. President? As expendable?

....damn glad I didn't join the military....now I'm CIC and don't have a clue....HELP

How are you defining "hasty?" We invaded Iraq in March, 2003. en.wikipedia.org

That's roughly a year and a half after 9/11.

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We were going in during an "x" timeframe. Dubya went so far as to telegraph our impending invasion. His warning was humanitarian... so as not to have innocent people in the way.

Would you have preferred he not have provided a warning to investigators? Doubtful. You would rather we have not gone there in the first place.

You and I have debated this issue numerous times. You're a fart in the wind... arguing an "illegal" war. It's been since 2003. You'd think that with all the knives pointed Dubya's way... and with Dems running congress since 2006... that we'd have seen some serious prosecutorial efforts by now. Many people HATED Dubya (you, too, perhaps still do). So why no prosecution after all this time?

#29 | Posted by OohRah at 2009-10-30 07:35 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm let's see Mr OohRah. First You claim that waiting a Year and half to invade isn't hasty but yet You also claim we were going in during a X Timeframe. Isn't that double speak?? Seems to Me if You aren't hasty about something You wouldn't have a certain time from to do it. So it wouldn't of mattered that You allowed the inspection process to be completed. Oh and as far as the claim You made about it being humanitarian of Dubya to inform the inspectors that Dubya was about to start bombing Iraq and that they were innocents pray tell aren't the Iraqi people ALSO innocent?? Or does THAT even matter to You OohRah??? Me thinks nope as long as we got the Oil all is well in OohRah's world.

Larry

Sure he does.

No way in hell is this statement the result of a political calculation.

So, how do you think of them, Mr. President? As expendable?

Naw, yer thinking of Dumbya again.

Obama, unlike the rtards on this thread, actually gives a fuck about the lives of American servicemen.

Rtards like to talk the talk of supporting the military but they rarely walk the walk to match.

Dumbya talked about supporting the troops but then he failed to get them decent body armor and bomb proof trucks once the use of IEDs became SOP fer the insurgents. He used stop loss orders to keep soldiers in theater long enuff to get PTSD and then when they got home and got into trouble due to that condition he cut them off without so much as a "by yer leave". Voting against raises fer military personnel over and over again. Allowing corporate mercenaries to supplant them at 5 times their pay while building special whorehouses and bars fer the contractors only also did a lot of harm in terms of reducing troop morale.

But go on with yer illogical anti-Obama screeds and knee jerk apologisms fer the previous group of War Criminals.

Was there political calculation in these werds?

In the sense that Obama is a savvy enuff pol to understand that every word that comes out of his mouth has political ramifications?

Then yes.

Was he also telling the truth?

Again Spud sez yes.

How can Spud say that Obama tells the truth when he sez this and Dumbya lied?

Obama still has credibility that Dumbya had long squandered by this point in his presidency.

K?

Be Well.

#59 SPUD

Gotta disagree on multiple levels, my hockey-nut friend.

What I'm about to say I could easily have made up... and sounds cryptic, I realize, but I have a prospective client at work with family ties who are very, very close to Gen McCrystal (sit down to dinner close) and this prospect assured me that as long as McCrystal's there my son's gonna be OK.

BUT, that Obama has damaged morale through ambiguity... lack of mission clarity and both a private and public lack of sufficient support.

All that aside, my own layman's take on Obama is that he'd much prefer to bring troops home.

BUT AT SOME POINT the invasion becomes imminent. And when it was imminent (and yes, LAR, at some point an action is imminent even if it was a year and a half in the making) Bush gave Saddam one final surrender warning as well as warned inspectors to high tail it out of Dodge.

Could you imagine the firestorm if Bush HADN'T provided warning? Even though giving such warning put our troops in greater jeopardy by largely eliminating the element of surprise?

#60 | Posted by OohRah at 2009-10-31 05:56 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Bwhahahahaah too fucking hilarious for words. IT WASN'T DUBYA'S PLACE TO DICTAQTE ANYTHING TOWARDS SADDAM HBUSSEIN> for G=d sake OohRah. That's the trouble I have with Republicans their G-d damned arrogance. Dubya agreed to the Inspection process and to leave it in the UN Security Council's hands when His UN Ambassador John Negroponte signed UN Resolution 1441. NOWHERE in that UN Resolution did it say Saddam Hussein had to leave Iraq. No OohRah Dubya had NO place to dictate that. Only arrogant folks think He had that right. But do carry on carrying water for Dubya. This is the trouble I have with You OohRah. Your right winged arrogance.

Larry

What I'm about to say I could easily have made up... and sounds cryptic, I realize, but I have a prospective client at work with family ties who are very, very close to Gen McCrystal (sit down to dinner close) and this prospect assured me that as long as McCrystal's there my son's gonna be OK.

BUT, that Obama has damaged morale through ambiguity... lack of mission clarity and both a private and public lack of sufficient support.

All that aside, my own layman's take on Obama is that he'd much prefer to bring troops home.

#61 | Posted by OohRah at 2009-10-31 06:05 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Never thought You would inject Your Son into this political debate OohRah. I am shocked and saddened at this. Of all our debates I have purposefully left Your Son out of the equation. While true You are not addressing Me in Your post number 61 I find it disheartening.

Larry

You're problem is with the fact we went in there in the first place. Fine. We can disagree on that issue. But c'mon, LAR... you're continuing to take my points and twist them back into the "legitimacy" of our going there in the first place.

I'm trying to show you that...
1. It wasn't a rush job (1.5 years from 9/11) as you'd claimed.
2. Bush gave advance warning of an imminent invasion (albeit roughly 1 year or more in the making) so as to spare inspectors and Iraqis death and destruction.

LAR-
My son has little to do with it. The man was making a statement about McCrystal's competency... and drawing a contrast with Obama's leadership to this point.

And as I've stated multiple times on the DR, the fact I have a son over there doesn't necessarily make my views correct or superior to yours. It does, perhaps, provide a different perspective.

I'm trying to show you that...
1. It wasn't a rush job (1.5 years from 9/11) as you'd claimed.
2. Bush gave advance warning of an imminent invasion (albeit roughly 1 year or more in the making) so as to spare inspectors and Iraqis death and destruction.

Posted by OohRah at 2009-10-31 07:26 AM | Reply

You just got through stating that they had an X timeframe that they were going to invade. Whatys the haste in getting it started before the Inspectors were finished and the UN Security Council decided what to do next like we AGREED UPON?? Pray tell how that isn't being hasty?? Oh and number 2 Like I have been saying it wasn't Dubya's place to order the inspectors out. He agreed to the terms in the UN Resolution 1441. What right did Dubya have dictating what Saddam Hussein did or didn't do??

Larry

LAR,
I'm a pretty patient guy but I've got to wonder how long to beat this dead horse. We'll simply have to agree to disagree on all matters Iraq, particularly when we can't seem to debate the same point.

Now that Obama's in office and the Dem-led Congress has had a two year head start on BHO are you confident in the way they've handled the war on terror (or whatever it's called these days?)

Now that Obama's in office and the Dem-led Congress has had a two year head start on BHO are you confident in the way they've handled the war on terror (or whatever it's called these days?)

Posted by OohRah at 2009-10-31 07:39 AM | Reply

Since theis whole War on Terror thing is a smoke screen I had wanted Obama to pull out of Iraq by now. Oh and Dubya so screwed up in Afghanistan that I want Obama to bring the troops home ASAP. Dubya fucked up in AFghanistan let shit go for too long that it's a bad idea to send more troops. Seems to Me more troops means more targets and that's it.

Larry

While I don't think you were trying to be evasive, you didn't answer the question. Are you confident in the way they've (BHO and Dem-led Congress) handled the war on terror?

You've stated what you want BHO to do. How confident and satisfied are you with the actions your Dems have taken thus far?

If you can't or won't answer... that's your decision. But if you are reasonably happy and taking a wait and see approach (it's too early to tell, in other words) then do you have some time frame in mind whereby you'll no longer be supportive?

And, what criteria will you use to determine your satisfaction?

it's still too early to tell OohRah. It's only been 9 Months. I'll let You know how I feel the first of February.

Larry

Why that specific date? And what criteria do you plan to use when reaching a conclusion? Surely you have something in mind.

You indicate it's too early to tell. Do you feel things are moving in a good or a bad direction to this point? What leads you to your opinion?

Not playing gotcha here, LAR. I want to fully understand, to the extent you're able/willing, for you to articulate not only what you want to happen, but to offer rationale for your ongoing BHO support... or... if you see BHO as a disappointment, to articulate how you reached that conclusion.

Yeah, but he hasn't given up golf like Bush.

Noone really wants to deal or ackowledge the fact that Obama and his posse have had plenty of time and facts to make a decision... they keep wanting to blame Bush for everything and will ride that pony as far as the 'smokescreen' will carry them.. don't get me wrong, Bush was wrong to go to Iraq and if we are not going to approach the problems in Afghanistan with full force, then get out.. But, to Obama..there is really no legit reason to take this long...no new news ... these election excuses are a farce; does anyone of intelligence really feel comfy with ANY election in that region???? and that we will ever begin to change the political climate??? only if we move half the forces there forever..!!! the facts to make a decision have long been available to the military.. he has, in fact, taken the morale down.. his credibility is lost... when a leader keeps putting off decision-making, it is clear that he is the wrong one to make the decision..!!!

could someone tell me how this thread about fallen soldiers morphed into what costume people ar going to wear..
I mean...its pretty close to par for the course...lol

but gee..

and it was a nice idea mister president..

NOW>...why is he there NOW people ask?

Im thinking its because there were so many at this one time

BUT....did the white house have to alert all of the media that he was going to be there.
I would have thought even more if he had gone without the press release...but I do understand it.

"Hurry up and decide Mr. President so that the Obamahaters can call you either a quitter or a war monger."

Exactly. It does not matter which one he does, he will catch hell.

I don't know why we Americans depend on politicians to solve a problem....

Why don't we round up some good ol boys and get on a plane to Afghanistan and show them how it's done?

*(Tosser from an alternate universe in which he was born American)*

Why that specific date? And what criteria do you plan to use when reaching a conclusion? Surely you have something in mind.

You indicate it's too early to tell. Do you feel things are moving in a good or a bad direction to this point? What leads you to your opinion?

Not playing gotcha here, LAR. I want to fully understand, to the extent you're able/willing, for you to articulate not only what you want to happen, but to offer rationale for your ongoing BHO support... or... if you see BHO as a disappointment, to articulate how you reached that conclusion.

#71 | Posted by OohRah at 2009-10-31 08:04 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Sorry I have been a drive by looker today. Grocery day and all. Let Me start out by saying You complain that I stated Dubya entered into Iraq hastily. Then You gave the statement we were going in during an X timeframe. That is hasty to Me because if there is no rush why demand the Inspectors stop inspecting and to leave before the bombing. OohRah Your goose is thoroughly cooked on that one alone. As far as Obama not deciding yet to send more troops is laudable. Why rush into a situation that You aren't sure is worth it. I mean My G-d Obama is contemplating sending more men to their deaths possibly why rush into such a solem decision OohRah?? It is bullshit to want Him to rush it. Now what I have a problem with is His seemingly forever taking on removing troops from Iraq. I admit I can be a t total prick when it comes to patience. I HAVE NONE. I expect it to happen Yesterday even if the problem didn't show itself today. I could be highly unfair to Obama in that regard considering they have to move 9 Million TONNES of supplies and bodies(Live and Unalive) So it may take longer than I would like so I'll give Him the benefit of the doubt there. Everyone expects shit cleaned up magically and I have to reluctantly agree patience is a virtue. I think by next February I should know more on how I feel about Obama however.

Things I have problems with Obama

1extraordinary rendition(Totally wrong and Illegal)
2The notion that He can still detain those in GITMO indefinately I want them all charged tried in a CIVILIAN court of law and then if guilty send them up to Florence Colorado supermax. If innocent release them post haste.
3)the lack luster time spent on moving the detainees from GITMO to whereever He chooses.

Let Me look through My post history and I'll make up a better list.

Larry

Oh G-d I don't know why I have to be so forgetful.
NOT PROSECUTING BUSHCO FOR TORTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!

*(Tosser from an alternate universe in which he was born American)*

Posted by Tosser

So which American are you this week....taxidriver, convenience store owner, motel owner, or doctor? lol...

#79...

"Tosser" by definition means chronic masturbater...

you all know the decision about the troop strength is too important to make before the elections in NJ and VA. Can not do anything to prevent the "D" from winning them. If he leave he runs(cut and run, weak on defense) voter to "R" and if he stays (piss off his base)he runs them to "R" so he will not decide until after Tuesday.

" If he leave he runs(cut and run, weak on defense) voter to "R" and if he stays (piss off his base)he runs them to "R" so he will not decide until after Tuesday."

If the voters are actually that fickle, and Obama knows it, do you really blame him?

I don't believe that any liberal pissed off at Obama will suddenly start voting Republican. (reference to #81 specifically)

And Larry, while I generally share your feelings about the Iraq war, I think you are missing the point with the timeframe comment. Or maybe I misunderstand. But I read Oohrah to be saying that once we were committed to going in, it was a good move to warn the inspectors (and other innocents?) out. Continuing to hammer on that is not helping your case, and this is a liberal who hates the Iraq war decision. At the same time, Oohrah, I think you're missing the point about the illegality of the war, or ignoring it. Clearly, President Bush got clearance from Congress (fucking lapdogs), but I _think_ Larry is talking about illegality on the international front. Of course, if you eschew the UN (do you, Oohrah?), then it's a moot point.

One day Pragmatist I will be vindicated. It may take until I am old and grey up in some nursing home slobbering like a loon but I will be vindicated. When that time comes I will wheel Myself to the nearest computer and log onto the Drudge Retort quite possibly and quite probably to find out RCADE has taken the ultimate dump and will be residing with the bloggers in the sky because the Drudge Retort will be no more. But hey life goeth on as they say.

Larry

"Tosser" by definition means chronic masturbater...

If THIS is the respect you show a fellow American who fought for you, then I shudder to think what you would do to some poor foreign bugger....

If THIS is the respect you show a fellow American who fought for you, then I shudder to think what you would do to some poor foreign bugger....

#85 | Posted by Tosser

That's telling him Yank he should go crawl back in a cave with that other filthy heathen Paki moderhate. The good Pakis like me appreciate you American blokes and all you've done for us.

The good Pakis like me appreciate

You a Paki too!?

The only thing you people appreciate is a cricket bat up your...... never mind.

So which American are you this week....taxidriver, convenience store owner, motel owner, or doctor? lol...

I'm an American who still believes in this great country of ours.

"One day Pragmatist I will be vindicated. It may take until I am old and grey up in some nursing home slobbering like a loon but I will be vindicated." - Larry

Yeah, I hear George Wallace said the same thing. Who knows, you may both be right - your arguments do have the same merit...follow the law or do what is right.

I'm an American who still believes in this great country of ours.

#88 | Posted by Tosser

Funny, based on your history of posting, I thought you were from Pakistan. Every time I have seen you post about the military conflict, you have been routing for the other team. So, don't bitch about the way you are treated.

"I once thought about joining the military"

-BHO (stoned)

#5 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2009-10-30 04:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

Care to elaborate on your gawd W? DWI's and drugs that was awol from the friggin nastygard...

No? didn't think so.

No big fan of Obama but it does take some character to admit your failures, unlike W who lied about his CRIMINAL record.

Back it up, legally, or STFU up,

#36 | Posted by OohRah at 2009-10-30 08:00 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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STFU????????

says the good christian soldier...

"At the same time, Oohrah, I think you're missing the point about the illegality of the war, or ignoring it. Clearly, President Bush got clearance from Congress (fucking lapdogs), but I _think_ Larry is talking about illegality on the international front. Of course, if you eschew the UN (do you, Oohrah?), then it's a moot point." - 83 PRAG

I'm missing nothing. LAR and I have had that very discussion countless times. I'm of the view it was a legal effort and LAR feels the opposite. That's not in question, certainly from my end. I'm fine that that. I've stated my reasons and there's little left to discuss.

However, the point I made in this thread points back to LAR's #15 post, "...Yet these same scum thoroughly supported Dubya's hasty entrance into that Illegal War in Iraq..."

We were discussing the "hasty" issue he raised... and that's the extent of it. Expanding, or in LAR's case, deflecting back to the legality, was off topic... a topic we've long since disagreed upon 100%.

Back it up, legally, or STFU up,
#36 | Posted by OohRah at 2009-10-30 08:00 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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STFU????????
says the good christian soldier...
#92 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2009-11-01 07:12 AM | Reply | Flag:" - LFT

Go back and put what I said in context, OK? The rest of that sentence...
Back it up, legally, or STFU up, many righties have been told..."

Just as the media does with Rush, they'll take a snippet out of context and run with it when it suits them. You're better than that.

I was saying what righties are told here countless times.

lack of mission clarity and both a private and public lack of sufficient support.

#61 | Posted by OohRah at 2009-10-31 06:05 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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if you don't stop digging you'll be in China shortly.

we never had mission clarity - not since invasion.
If you call just destroying a nation and killing a bunch of common folks mission clarity then I guess you may be correct. The whole problem all along is the fact that we had no clue what we were getting into - 'cept for the pesky little turds (like Powell) who warned that we didn't have enough resources dedicated to the task.. Not to mention the whole thing about leaving entire weapon stashes unguarded for rogues to pillage....

Try again Ooey. I know it's hard but keep trying..

And you want to blame this shit on someone who
A. never supported it (knew it was bad idea because he listened to reason)
B. has been in office ssince 1/09
C. wants to make good, not hasty decisions.
D. go to the clue store

"Care to elaborate on your gawd W? DWI's and drugs that was awol from the friggin nastygard..." - Lefthandturd

Well, W admitted that he had made 'mistakes' just like your boy - the cocaine hoover.

As far as the alleged absence from the national Guard, that has never been proven, the allegation costs Dan Rather his job and his credibility, and Dan lost the subsequent lawsuit.

While we are talking about scandals, did you hear the equally credible story that your boy wasn't born in the US?

While we are talking about scandals, did you hear the equally credible story that your boy wasn't born in the US?

#96 | Posted by A_Citizen at 2009-11-01 07:39 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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no, Sure haven't. please elaborate. while you're at it please explain how W forgot about his DWIs

I almost forgot the whole thing about the missing time from nasty guard thingy. "it's never been proven" You're right... I guess not showing up for medical review kinda disqualifies you and all but hey I'ts only the nastyguard... Daddy can fix it.

#94 | Posted by OohRah at 2009-11-01 07:19 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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"if the shoe fits"

any questions? read the linked articles

#99 | Posted by woke at 2009-11-01 07:55 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Ooey and Gooey aint reading that "propaganda"

Ooey has a bad conscience over the war(s) and trying ot make it ok

Gooey (A cit) is still trying to peddle a theory that our country was hijacked by a Muslim born in Kenya...

They obviously have no time to lend to reality.

this is too funny:

9 months into W's tenure righties blamed 9/11 on Clinton

9 months into Obama's tenure righties blame 7 years of fucked up war(s) on Obama.

Woke,

I see what you are saying. You know, all of those JFK files that have been "lost" might also show that W was on the grassy knoll with a rifle in November of 63. Either was, the files are gone so you can believe whatever you want.

Incidentally, you conclude that George HW bush purged the files so his son could run for office in eight years. If you believe that, Obama's mama COULD have known that her son would someday need to be able to show citizenship and therefore published birth announcements in the Hawaii paper. I mean, it is the same logic with only a slightly greater reach...

Funny, based on your history of posting, I thought you were from Pakistan.

LOL... idiot.

Look at Saturday's Nooner for full explanation.

Lefthandturd,

Actually, I believe your boy was born right here in the USA. The records are simply not sufficient to conclude otherwise.

However, to answer your other question, 9 months in to Bush's term there was NO information that would have made it constitutionally possible to act to stop 9-11. (You left wingers are into those rights, especially when applied to enemies of the country. See gitmo for further evidence of this theory.) Your boy has been in the middle of the economic crisis, handing out money (to acorn) managing auto companies, etc. Hell, he has done so much he has won a Nobel Peace Prize. So, he has earned the criticism that he is getting for of where we are. But, on a lighter note, I read that the Recession is over, so I give him credit for that. No need for forced health care, extensions of unemployment, or other bank takeovers. We are good.

#101 I think Woke is a good name for this guy. he needs to be woke up.

A citizen,

If you could, you would debunk the facts presented. But you cannot, so you DIVERT the discussion to JFK conspiracy theories.....it's an old trick, but doesn't work on me.

And as for Obama's momma: Was she the potus and able to purge/alter files of her son?

And then there is the fact that Killian's secretary, while not remembering being the one who typed those files, said plainly that her boss, indeed felt and believed the things that were shown on those files.

Now, another voice - a credible voice - has entered the debate. Killian's secretary, Marian Carr Knox, describes herself as Killian's "right hand" during much of the 1970s.

She flew to New York Wednesday afternoon to tell 60 Minutes that she believes the documents we obtained are not authentic.

But there's yet another confusing twist to this story. She told Correspondent Dan Rather that she believes what the documents actually say is exactly as we reported.
Knox is 86 years old, and completely comfortable in the eye of a storm. She spent more than two decades keeping pilots and officers in line at Ellington Air Force Base in Houston. Now, she wants to set the record straight about the memos that CBS News obtained.

Knox says she didn't type these memos, but she says she did type ones that contained the same information.

"I know that I didn't type them," says Knox. "However, the information in those is correct."

mr. fair

i woke up in bien hoa in 1969

your turn

#105 And how is Halliburton doing these days over there? Starving? Has the new Admin put 'em out of business? I mean, look what we were able to do for GM, the banks and others in 9 short months.

Tell me, how are Halliburton, KBR and Blackstone doing?

#106 My hat is off to you, Serviceman. It doesn't make you right about everything.

Ooey and Gooey aint reading that "propaganda"

Ooey has a bad conscience over the war(s) and trying ot make it ok

Gooey (A cit) is still trying to peddle a theory that our country was hijacked by a Muslim born in Kenya...

They obviously have no time to lend to reality.

this is too funny:

9 months into W's tenure righties blamed 9/11 on Clinton

9 months into Obama's tenure righties blame 7 years of fucked up war(s) on Obama.

#100 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2009-11-01 08:03 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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What do You expect from Right Winged scum. They will never change theyu will still be the same scum their darling leader was is and ever shall be Dubya. It's all the same bullshit. Dubya did no wrong in their eyes which might I add is still to this day stuck up Dubya's ass. I think they both are lost causes at this point. Gotta suck to have supported an illegal war of aggression making them no better than the germans in WW2 that supported NAZI Germany. The only difference is in degree nothing more. Oh and it must suck royally to have all that innocent blood drip from their hands. Someday it will FINALLY eat at them.

Larry

mr fair

if you could, you'd debunk the info i posted which only is meant to make you THINK for a change, how you've been bamboozled. But it's easier to insult, eh?

Furthermore, i believe this old adage can be applied to the rove/hallichainy regime....

Lie about a little, Lie about a lot.

Anyone not recognizing the lies told, by now, will never do so due to their partisanship or ignorance.

Halliburton got theirs, eh? And as for hallichainy, he got his too, and is resting comfortably on his ranch in wyoming or a new home in dubai......eh?

100/109

And then there is this:

If Clinton caused 91101, who caused the WTC bombing on 2/26/93, barely a month after Clinton took office?

Who freed the American hostages in Iran, 20 minutes after reagan took the oath of office?

Hmmmm??

#110 Woke - it was a very small insult but now that I think I know you fought for America, I will apologize right here. FYI - it was more like a warm gesture relative to the real insults that get thrown around in here every hour of every day.

But on topic: you referred to "hallichainy" - but really, how is Halliburton doing today in the wars over there? I don't ask about Cheney because he is out of office.

And how about the others that usually get lumped in? KBR, Blackstone? How are they doing?

mr fair

thank you i think?

what's your point? those companies already got theirs didn't they?
via no bid contracts from the veep you want to now ignore.
do you think obama can rescind their contracts?
have you heard much about those company's failures and fraud?
wanna know why the acorn talking point disappeared? because if congress disfunds them for fraud, they'd have to do the same for those war profiteer fraudulent corps....that's why....

i totally understand why so many who voted these war criminal/profiteers into office, after repeatedly being duped by their faux patriotism/bravado with other people's lives, want to forget that that last regime CREATED these foreign policy disasters.....you probably feel culpable....eh?

many are now claiming to be libertarians, or pretending we should no longer think about the policies and people who created the mess...

but as we all know, those who fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.....

the exact same smear tactics that the neocons have used for decades, along with corporate msm collusion are being used on obama

isn't it about time you woke?

#110 Woke - it was a very small insult but now that I think I know you fought for America, I will apologize right here. FYI - it was more like a warm gesture relative to the real insults that get thrown around in here every hour of every day.
#112 | Posted by MrFair at 2009-11-01 08:50 AM | Reply

Woke makes it very, very hard to give the earned respect by anyone who has fought. Your compliment and his reply is proof. Fortunatly he is the exception and I for one won't change my personal feelings for anyone that proudly served this country.

#114 Crispee I can't fault this guy too much. If her served in SE Asia I have a lot of respect.

But he definitely has some kinda beef. Sadly, he is like a hip-hop artist. Too many words, not enough sell.

Woke makes it very, very hard to give the earned respect by anyone who has fought. Fortunatly he is the exception and I for one won't change my personal feelings for anyone that proudly served this country.

#114 | POSTED BY CRISPEE_OC AT 2009-11-01 09:06 AM

Hard to give respect for those who fought? or BY those who fought? Huh?

Some schitzo thought pattern you have there buddy.....but let me help you out...

Right wingers give respect only to war vets who agree with their failed political ideology.....for them, it's not about service, but politics.....it's just that simple and the smear liar job on kerry/cleland/mccain is proof of that.....

You have done nothing but attack me since my first post on DR buddy........

Are you a war vet or not?

dos
mos
duty locations

??

#113 Woke you have no idea who I voted for in which election yadda yadda yadda. Skip all the words and BS and tell me: if you sort of represent the Left and you have such a beef with "hallichainy" [sic] and you have successfully voted Mr. Cheney out of office, WHY are you still doing such a booming business with aforementioned defense contractors?

mr. fair

not enough sell?

I posted three links to valid info.

Oh, yeah, i forgot to mention, you will have to READ and COMPREHEND those facts even if they don't jibe with what you've been previously led to believe by msm and the regime you supported that led us to where our country is right now......

All due respect and thanks for your consideration

"what's your point? those companies already got theirs didn't they?
via no bid contracts from the veep you want to now ignore."

Isn't it ironic Woke never bothered to look up the origin and first contract signed by Haliburton/KBR. It was back in 1940 and they have been used by every administration since then. Somehow because Cheney can be associated with them, they are deemed some pet project and only used because of Cheney's ties so he can profit? It is laughable to think any other Company would be hired or having a open bid and expect them to be able to perform the duties needed on such short notice. Not to mention the fact the companies outside the US should have been given the contracts, when their Governments refused to back the US on one hand and were all for the removal of Saddam on the other.

Hard to give respect for those who fought? or BY those who fought? Huh?

Woke

Good catch, that should have been give respect "to" those who fought. Or served in case that was omitted. Doesn't change the fact you seem to go out of your way to limit that earned respect because of your ridiculous partsian politics and tongue. BTW... I did in fact include you in that "respect" category, but like your reply to Mr. Fairs it fell on deaf ears.

Larry,

I know what you expect from "right wing scum"...you expect us to pay for your medical insurance.

1940?

WTF does that have to do with NO BID contracts given to a company you hero, cheney was CEO of before becoming veep, and those LIES that led to an unnecessary invasion/occupation of a country that did not attack the usa?

A company that went bankrupt due to cheney's poor management in purchasing a company with asbestos liabilities, by the way, whose debts were discharged after cheney became veep and then gained a 284% profit by the second quarter of the next year....

Are you a war vet or not?

Do the math Woke. I have posted my age a few times here, yet you don't seem to comprehend. I am 48, now what war could I have fought when I was 21 back in 1982? You got this chip on your shoulder for anyone who didn't serve during the Vietnam War as though they are some how second class soldiers. Why is that? This is the example of how hard it is to respect you for your service. Know what I mean?

your ridiculous partsian politics

#120 | POSTED BY CRISPEE_OC AT 2009-11-01 09:22 AM

That's funny buddy, cause, unlike yourself, i give honor to ALL war veterans who served, not just those whose politics agree with my own.

And if your constant ridicule and insults of me aren't about my politics, what is it about?

Oh, yeah, I post info you cannot debunk, so what else is left to do on your part, eh?

Thanks, "i honor your service" too.....

dos
mos
duty locations

???

#122 | Posted by woke at 2009-11-01 09:24 AM |

Of course Woke. According to you Haliburton was some nothing Company until Cheney became a Board Member. You ignorantly ignore they have been given no bid contracts for over 40 years becasue they are capable of handling what the military needs quickly and effectivly. Had Cheney not been involved, they still would be the first outlet when the military calls. God only knows why you want some unknown, unproven company that may or may not be able to perform. Seems like you don't care about the troops they service and care more about who makes a profit. Kind of sad in a way....

I am 48, now what war could I have fought when I was 21 back in 1982? You got this chip on your shoulder for anyone who didn't serve during the Vietnam War as though they are some how second class soldiers. Why is that? This is the example of how hard it is to respect you for your service. Know what I mean?

#123 | POSTED BY CRISPEE_OC AT 2009-11-01 09:26 AM

Grenada?

Any disrespect you feel is coming from having not served in a war, yet cheering on unnecessary invasions/occupations and denigrating war heroes like Kerry and Cleland, most likely.

Again, you have continually attacked me based on politics here on DR....now, you wanna say you "honor my service"?

That's what lilaWol said about kerry, remember?

Being an anti war, war vet is like being a stranger in a strange land, my friend.....lefties consider you a baby killer and righties consider you a traitor....

Know what I mean?

"And if your constant ridicule and insults of me aren't about my politics, what is it about?"

Can you read Woke? They are all about your politics and your inability to read and understand a simple post.

"what war could I have fought when I was 21 back in 1982?"

Salvadoran Civil War
Iran-Iraq War
Falklands War
1982 Lebanon War

Invasion of Grenada?
No, that was 1983.

There's always somebody killing someone somewhere.
It's the nature of the beast.

However, to answer your other question, 9 months in to Bush's term there was NO information that would have made it constitutionally possible to act to stop 9-11. (You left wingers are into those rights, especially when applied to enemies of the country. See gitmo for further evidence of this theory.) Your boy has been in the middle of the economic crisis, handing out money (to acorn) managing auto companies, etc. Hell, he has done so much he has won a Nobel Peace Prize. So, he has earned the criticism that he is getting for of where we are. But, on a lighter note, I read that the Recession is over, so I give him credit for that. No need for forced health care, extensions of unemployment, or other bank takeovers. We are good.

#103 | Posted by A_Citizen at 2009-11-01 08:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

Thanks, but you're nothing more than a Bush apologist. You can't have it your way, it simply doesn't wash.. I didn't like the damn bail out when it was BUSH'S idea and i still don't like it... It was a Bush administration project... You can vomit your ilk all day but in the end the Milk cow is dead... and all i needed was the sound of a shotgun and an empty fucking glass to tell me Bush and President Cheny are the culprits...

According to you
#125 | POSTED BY CRISPEE_OC AT 2009-11-01 09:31 AM

That's pretty funny bud. I mean projecting what i am saying instead of reading/comprehending the facts i post....

1. Show me ONE other veep or potus that was CEO of halliburton (or any other war profiteer) and then gave them billions in no bid contracts, let alone for a war based on lies and misinformation.

2. Cheney, as CEO, purchased a subsidiary that turned out to have massive asbestos liabilities. But once he became veep, those liabilities were limited by a federal judge AND the company filed bankruptcy, discharging the remaining debt in 2004. By the next qtr, the company posted a 284% profit increase.

This, after the Contract ON American congress voted to limit liability awards and bankruptcies for individual citizens but not corporations.

3. Cheney is STILL receiving those stock options from no bid contracts he awarded his former company.

Find me ONE time in American history that this kind of collusion has occurred.....where lies were used to create an unnecessary invasion/occupation and then the person who coordinated those lies benefitted from them....

Cheney is EVIL personified. His sordid political history dates back to the criminal nixon regime, thru the criminal reagan/bush41 regimes and onward.....

Go ahead, keep defending him.

Woke,
Here is an example of the scorn and ridicule you open yourself up to. If this doesn't open your eyes, nothing will.

And if your constant ridicule and insults of me aren't about my politics, what is it about?
#124 | Posted by woke at 2009-11-01 09:27 AM

Again, you have continually attacked me based on politics here on DR....now, you wanna say you "honor my service"?
#126 | Posted by woke at 2009-11-01 09:34 AM

9 months in to Bush's term there was NO information that would have made it constitutionally possible to act to stop 9-11.
#103 | Posted by A_Citizen at 2009-11-01 08:16 AM

All due respect, there are none so blind as those who WILL not see.

The lilaWol/hallichainy regime ignored 28 warnings of 911 because they were focused on PNAC

"1. Show me ONE other veep or potus that was CEO of halliburton (or any other war profiteer) and then gave them billions in no bid contracts, let alone for a war based on lies and misinformation.'

Meaningless and already answered earlier. Haliburton is the first call the military makes because they can handle and perform necessary duties. Regardless of who is the CEO. Have been since 1960

"2. Cheney, as CEO, purchased a subsidiary that turned out to have massive asbestos liabilities. But once he became veep, those liabilities were limited by a federal judge AND the company filed bankruptcy, discharging the remaining debt in 2004. By the next qtr, the company posted a 284% profit increase."

Has nothing to do with the military contracts which is the argument. In other words meaningless to the discussion unless one just wants to invoke Cheney.

"3. Cheney is STILL receiving those stock options from no bid contracts he awarded his former company.'

Read number two's response. Not to mention Cheney gives all options to charity.

Woke - you never answered my question: how is Halliburton doing today, under the new Administration? And how are the other Defense Contractors doing?

Woke,

No, I am being absolutely objective. I look at the news articles and there is nothing there that is specific enough to rise to the level of "probable cause" that would have been required to stop those who attacked us. I don't even think there is "mere suspicion".

Consider this. There are currently X,000 threats made against your boy every day. Suppose that some nut job (God forbid) killed (or even attempted to kill) him. Since there have been X,000 threats per day, would that mean that the government was "warned" and had the power to stop it? Look at the record. In retrospect, it makes sense. However, what should Cliton have done in 1998 to stop 9/11? When intelligence was developed about hijacking planes, which of the thousands of airports would you have placed under surveillance? How many planes were there going to be? How many people should we have been looking to arrest?

You can point fingers all day long, but in the end, that is all you can do. There simply was not enough info to have acted to stop the attack and not violated the fuck out of everyones civil rights.

Lefthand turds,

"Milk cow is dead... and all i needed was the sound of a shotgun and an empty fucking glass to tell me Bush and President Cheny are the culprits"

As an act of kindness, I will invite you over for steak. I see you are providing the meat (assuming it was YOUR cow you were getting the milk from) and I will bring the wine. (Don't forget this if someone should ask you who deserves a Nobel Peace prize....)

What is your point mr. fair?

I did answer this strawman argument which makes little sense to me?

What is you point, sir?

Right cripsy,

Everything i post is meaningless.....hallichainy had nothing to do with what Obama inherited on 1.20.09......

1. Show me ONE other veep or potus that was CEO of halliburton (or any other war profiteer) and then gave them billions in no bid contracts, let alone for a war based on lies and misinformation.
#131 | POSTED BY WOKE AT 2009-11-01 09:42 AM

Isn't it ironic Woke never bothered to look up the origin and first contract signed by Haliburton/KBR. It was back in 1940
#119 | POSTED BY CRISPEE_OC AT 2009-11-01 09:16 AM

It was all FDR's fault.

charities, eh? Got a link to which ones he's given to?

Cheney's Gift Agreement

Since 2001, Cheney has claimed that one day his stock options in Halliburton will be given to charity, so that "technically" he holds no financial interest in the company. But it's been FIVE years and Cheney still holds 100,000 Halliburton share options with a gross value of $3.2 million as of March 9, 2007.

Why the delay in giving up the options to charity?

Cheney claims a contract he signed in 2001 "irrevocably" requires the options to be given to charity at sometime in the future. But the contract states: "Nothing in this Agreement is intended to create any legal rights, privileges, or benefits in any ... charity ... to any donation."

The Agreement also states that Cheney cannot be sued for reneging on his promise to donate the options to charity. It states, "Nothing in this Agreement is intended to create any legal rights ... to any claim for damages resulting from any decision ... to withhold any item (i.e. withhold the stock options from the charities)."

The Agreement was signed between Cheney and Philip J. Ward, an attorney who is not affiliated with any charity. The Agreement gives Ward power of attorney over the options with the authority to donate to charity any profits derived therefrom.

Contract law allows the signatories of agreements to abandon agreements entirely if all the parties agree. Cheney and Mr. Ward may, at their discretion, terminate the Agreement at anytime and without any legal penalty and the charities would have no right to sue for damages. That's because the Agreement was made between Cheney and Mr. Ward, not Cheney and charity groups.

In other words, Vice President Cheney could retire from politics and terminate the gift agreement with the consent of Mr. Ward and keep all of his stock options.

136

Yet, every day on blogs like this i hear rw bs about how clinton should have taken obl out after the uss cole attack, which occurred 2 months before he left office, was an attack on a military target, and on which OBL was not a certified perp until he left office...eh?

Not to mention the Contract ON American congress deciding HE was America's biggest enemy, attacking his every move at will, including his Bosnia action to end genocide.....

Here's a sample of faux rw outrage...

"I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our over-extended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today"
-Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)

"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."
-Governor George W Bush (R-TX)

"Well, I just think it's a bad idea. What's going to happen is they're going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years."
---Joe Scarborough (R-FL)

"Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?"
---Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99

"[The] President . . . is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation's armed forces about how long they will be away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy."
---Sen Rick Santorum (R-PA)

Now, imagine if Clinton would have kia one of the bush families' business partner's sons??

Interesting how all these pukes never bothered to question any of the misinformation in attacking/invading/occupying iraqnam with zero support from nato or the world community, eh?

GOP=political ideology over country

Woke I think you should change your name to "Tolstoy" your posts are so unnecessarily long.

OK forget my "strawman" question. Anyway, I'm afraid if you did answer it would run about 40 paragraphs.

Good day, sir.

Woke,

You and Larry may need to talk about that illegal war in Bosnia. I don't recall Bosnia ever attacking us. I also don't recall UN resolutions on the matter that authorized force. I also recall that the finding of "genocide" was a claim that was greatly over stated. Did Bill Cliton conduct an illegal war also? Do the dems have "the blood of innocents on their hands". Perhaps that is how Larry knows about "Lava soap".

#77 LAR

Thanks for the candid comments. I'd missed them earlier.

lack of mission clarity and both a private and public lack of sufficient support.
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if you don't stop digging you'll be in China shortly.

we never had mission clarity - not since invasion.
If you call just destroying a nation and killing a bunch of common folks mission clarity then I guess you may be correct. The whole problem all along is the fact that we had no clue what we were getting into - 'cept for the pesky little turds (like Powell) who warned that we didn't have enough resources dedicated to the task.. Not to mention the whole thing about leaving entire weapon stashes unguarded for rogues to pillage....

Try again Ooey. I know it's hard but keep trying..

And you want to blame this shit on someone who
A. never supported it (knew it was bad idea because he listened to reason)
B. has been in office ssince 1/09
C. wants to make good, not hasty decisions.
D. go to the clue store

#95 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2009-11-01 07:30 AM | Reply | Flag

LFT... not sure why you woke up loaded for bear, but you're once again taking my words out of context. If you'll go back to post #61, here is what I actually posted:

What I'm about to say I could easily have made up... and sounds cryptic, I realize, but I have a prospective client at work with family ties who are very, very close to Gen McCrystal (sit down to dinner close) and this prospect assured me that as long as McCrystal's there my son's gonna be OK.

BUT, that Obama has damaged morale through ambiguity... lack of mission clarity and both a private and public lack of sufficient support.

All that aside, my own layman's take on Obama is that he'd much prefer to bring troops home.

Can you see that I'm attributing things to my prospective client? Can you? Again, you're better than that.

Can the stage be more set for surrender?

You and Larry may need to talk about that illegal war in Bosnia. I don't recall Bosnia ever attacking us. I also don't recall UN resolutions on the matter that authorized force. I also recall that the finding of "genocide" was a claim that was greatly over stated. Did Bill Cliton conduct an illegal war also? Do the dems have "the blood of innocents on their hands". Perhaps that is how Larry knows about "Lava soap".

#142 | Posted by A_Citizen at 2009-11-01 12:24 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Bosnia was a NATO mission but do carry on with Your balderdash. You are great at that as I am finding out.

Larry

Yes indeed, Obama thinks of our troops every day, that is, "How can I use them to my political advantage, TODAY!"

As an act of kindness, I will invite you over for steak. I see you are providing the meat (assuming it was YOUR cow you were getting the milk from) and I will bring the wine. (Don't forget this if someone should ask you who deserves a Nobel Peace prize....)

#137 | Posted by A_Citizen at 2009-11-01 10:26 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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meat???? I could guess that if provoked....

You are still a Bush apologist...

Keep the bullshit rolling.....

I have nothing against a good steak BUT you haven't hit the questions head on either. get your house in order then come back and we'll have a steak.

LFT... not sure why you woke up loaded for bear, but you're once again taking my words out of context. If you'll go back to post #61, here is what I actually posted:

What I'm about to say I could easily have made up... and sounds cryptic, I realize, but I have a prospective client at work with family ties who are very, very close to Gen McCrystal (sit down to dinner close) and this prospect assured me that as long as McCrystal's there my son's gonna be OK.

BUT, that Obama has damaged morale through ambiguity... lack of mission clarity and both a private and public lack of sufficient support.

All that aside, my own layman's take on Obama is that he'd much prefer to bring troops home.

Can you see that I'm attributing things to my prospective client? Can you? Again, you're better than that.

#144 | Posted by OohRah at 2009-11-01 01:37 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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hey oohrah, I try to be better than that of the norm on this blog.

I've always valued your entries. Problem is: Bush Co. left the country with a fucking mess. No easy out. this is the worst mess since Veit NAM. no reason is good enough to walk away or continue to fight. My kids are growing into the fighting age and I can't agree with the idea that this made our country safer... can you please elaborate

And I enjoy yours. That's why I was surprised you came after me, particularly in taking segments somewhat out of context. I'm not always 100% clear... and the web eliminates voice inflection.

It's fine that you feel that way. I just would ask that you view my posts in context. If you'd like to debate something, that's fine as well.

In the posts you'd referenced I didn't indicate we'd made the US safer. If you wish to argue the larger point "are we safer than prior to 9/11" we are safer, given the dearth of similar attacks.

But other issues arise. At what cost did we prevent another attack... not only $$ but at what cost to our privacy as citizens and what cost to our worldwide standing? Those are valid discussions to have... and I'd welcome them with you or others whenever you can catch me sober...

If you wish to argue the larger point "are we safer than prior to 9/11" we are safer, given the dearth of similar attacks.
But other issues arise. At what cost did we prevent another attack... not only $$ but at what cost to our privacy as citizens and what cost to our worldwide standing? Those are valid discussions to have... and I'd welcome them with you or others whenever you can catch me sober...

#150 | POSTED BY OOHRAH AT 2009-11-01 04:25 PM

I'd argue that point and so have several other people who are in a position to know......

First of all, attacks on Americans have tripled since 911, not even counting iraqnam/afghanistan.

But other issues arise. At what cost did we prevent another attack... not only $$ but at what cost to our privacy as citizens and what cost to our worldwide standing? Those are valid discussions to have... and I'd welcome them with you or others whenever you can catch me sober...

#150 | Posted by OohRah at 2009-11-01 04:25 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Oohrah, we haven't prevented shit form happening...

Have you not seen the death toll?

Unless you're going with the "kill'em all, let god sort'em out" version we've accomplished nothing.

Halliburton is rich and the US is broke, Bush and Cheney are counting their money and nothing has worked to this point. Sad to say but Cheney's assessment of "dont take Saddam out of power" was as good as advice gets. look it up if you are that clueless.

I disagree. I said that we haven't had the same sort of attack here since 9/11. That is not disputable.

I also raised the issues of the cost involved and related issues. Don't mix the "related issues" into some rationale that we're not safer. We are.

There is a cost, in terms of $$, personnel and world standing. All three of those are open for debate, but certainly not the fact we've not had another 9/11 attack here.

Fun Obama Video that Explains it all.. lol

Well, you may think you are safer, but if that is solely based on no other attack on our homeland, that is somewhat shortsighted imo.

And, as I said, several intell agencies agree that we are indeed less safer as a result of invading/occupying arab countries and in particular iraqnam.

It certainly is disputable that we are safer. I understand why you feel the need to believe in the "mission". We have been told over and over that if we don't support the mission, we aren't supporting our troops.

Nothing could be further from the truth imo. Especially when the mission is an ill defined, unwinnable occupation.

I know of no conventional foreign occupier ever defeating a homegrown guerilla insurgency in history. Democracy cannot be installed at the point of a gun.

Honor the warriors, not the war

Democracy cannot be installed at the point of a gun.

#155 | Posted by woke at 2009-11-01 07:07 PM | Reply | Flag: Unaware of the American Revolution

Gosh, goatman,

Were the American revolutionaries a conventional foreign occupier or a guerilla insurgency?

Thanks for helping me make my point.

Were the American revolutionaries a conventional foreign occupier

Guess you'd have to ask the indians about that

Even your hero, lilaWol knew better....wonder who talked him into nation building for fun and profit??

>>>>
I'm worried about an opponent [Gore] who uses nation building and the military in the same sentence.

I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation building.

... a nation-building corps from America. Absolutely not. Our military is meant to fight.

George W. Bush
2000

Thanks for helping me make my point.

???

So you were really saying the democracy can be installed at the point of a gun?

You should not have included the word "not" in that case.

That 'lilawol' thing cracks me up every time I see it. I have a great aunt named Lila Woldt, and I think of her every time

Funny that you fear Bush so much you can't say his name, or even anything close to it.

158

You want to compare apples and oranges to divert the truth? Nice try.

Perhaps you should do some research on the American Revolution.....and realize the indians fought on both sides.....

No conventional foreign occupying army has ever defeated any homegrown guerilla insurgency in history.......

fear him?

Where does making a name out of him being a runt, a jr. and a deserter say anything about fearing a drunken frat boy legacy, afraid to face a gold star mother at his own ranch gate?

LMFAO

Furthermore:

Funny that you fear Bush so much you can't say his name, or even anything close to it.
#161 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2009-11-01 07:24 PM

George W. Bush
2000
#159 | POSTED BY WOKE AT 2009-11-01 07:18 PM

I'm only on my first Anchor Steam, let me catch up to you, then maybe your posts will begin to make sense.

LOL

"my first Anchor Steam"

158
You want to compare apples and oranges to divert the truth? Nice try.

Perhaps you should do some research on the American Revolution.....and realize the indians fought on both sides.....

Nice Woke,The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

The Cherokee in Georgia owned plantations and slaves,were doing fine with Amereekans,and then what happened

Sweet!

One of my sons visited the brewery there.....

He now brews his own IPA's.

Wanna argue with the statement Bruce?

No conventional foreign occupying army has ever defeated a homegrown guerilla insurgency.

No conventional foreign occupying army has ever defeated a homegrown guerilla insurgency.

???

So?

"One of my sons"

I have one son.
I have one daughter, ...

She's the better shot.

The Cherokee in Georgia owned plantations and slaves,were doing fine with Amereekans,and then what happened

Trail of Tears.

I'd say the Americans defeated the indigenous Indians, but I could be wrong.

"I'd say the Americans defeated the indigenous Indians"

Andy Jackson betrayed them.

No conventional foreign occupying army has ever defeated a homegrown guerilla insurgency.

I agree most heartily with your premise,But these insurgents were fighting for taken land.

I said that we haven't had the same sort of attack here since 9/11. That is not disputable.

#153 | Posted by OohRah at 2009-11-01 05:33 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Here?

whats your definition of here?

Bullshit.

Every U.S. Embasy is home soil.

Andy Jackson betrayed them

It went to the supreme court,State's rights won.

My father says,so what all peoples have been conquered.(He thinks anybody should be able to build a casino)

The Cherokee in Georgia owned plantations and slaves,were doing fine with Amereekans,and then what happened

#166 | Posted by bruceaz at 2009-11-01 07:34 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Ummmm... Linclon was elected

you're grasping fer straws.

gotta be kidding me.....

Ummmm... Linclon was elected

So they moved all the slave owners to Oklahoma in the winter?

But I admit that was funny

My father says so

#175 | Posted by bruceaz at 2009-11-01 07:46 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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what else does daddy (with hood in closet) say?

Goatman,

As i said, it seems like you might wanna sober up then come back.

Were the American colonists a conventional foreign occupying army or did they LIVE here.

The discussion point was the American revolution....and YOU were the one championing that pov...saying: "Unaware of the American Revolution", as if the American revolutionaries were a conventional occupying army......to the contrary, they LIVED here and the British would have to be considered the foreign conventional occupying army.....

Admit you are wrong.

The indian analogy is likewise flawed, as I have pointed out.

The point is that considering lilaWol/hallichainy CREATED another no win foreign occupation/police action, there is no sense in pretending some "victory" will ever occur for the USA in this situation.

The brave rw chickenhawks all talk about not cutting and running, but have you ever heard the adage, "cut your losses"??

Discretion is the better part of valor
Falstaff

So they moved all the slave owners to Oklahoma in the winter?

#177 | Posted by bruceaz at 2009-11-01 07:51 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Ummm.... no they didn't

what else does daddy (with hood in closet) say?

He says FUCK YOU.He's not racist or anything,he knows his history of the world,everyone has been conquered at one time or another

Falstaff

#179 | Posted by woke at 2009-11-01 07:54 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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hey!

That was a good beer!

He says FUCK YOU.

#181 | Posted by bruceaz at 2009-11-01 07:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

I didn't expect anything more. what do you say?

I say Lincoln was elected,Smile

Smile

#184 | Posted by bruceaz at 2009-11-01 08:01 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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that's what I thought...

Besides,Cochise,Crazy Horse,Geronimo,were they insurgancies?

saying: "Unaware of the American Revolution", as if the American revolutionaries were a conventional occupying army......

???

I said that in response to your statement:

Democracy cannot be installed at the point of a gun.

As i said, it seems like you might wanna sober up then come back.

It is you who needs to sober up. I remember what I responded to. You didn't. As I said, review post 156 and always remember that no matter how many anchor steams you have, I still have my PGUP key and can prove you wrong. LOL

that's what I thought...

#185 | Posted by lfthndthrds

That means nothing

Besides,Cochise,Crazy Horse,Geronimo,were they insurgancies?

#186 | Posted by bruceaz at 2009-11-01 08:07 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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no, they were defenders of what was rightfully theirs

Well?

That means nothing

#188 | Posted by bruceaz at 2009-11-01 08:09 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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nothing more than your partisan bullshit you've been spewing all day.

grow up and get a real life!

Well?

#190 | Posted by bruceaz at 2009-11-01 08:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

well what?

You're delusional asshat

Bruce,

Were the American colonists a conventional foreign occupying army or did they LIVE here?

You seem to have a problem with logic.

Well I am delusional,your arguments are simply argumentative.
Love, Asshat

Partisan bullshit?you don't even know which way I lean.

Partisan bullshit?you don't even know which way I lean.

#194 | Posted by bruceaz at 2009-11-01 08:16 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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lean? you've fallen over asshat....

Were the American colonists a conventional foreign occupying army

All I said was they were colonists(read imperialists).People already owned this land.I 'm not saying we should all go home

Hahahaha,that was fun,

People already owned this land.

#196 | Posted by bruceaz at 2009-11-01 08:20 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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really? then what would you do if you knew of geonicide?

really? then what would you do if you knew of geonicide?

If they were Lfthndthrdsers or wokers I would pull their teeth for their gold fillings funnyboy

Hahahaha,that was fun,

#197 | Posted by bruceaz at 2009-11-01 08:21 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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not suprising

lfthndthrds

Go tell your mom about your amazing victory

Apparently Bruce is the best and brightest of what's left of the proud Republican party after the neoconservatives took it over and ran it and our country into a ditch....

If they were Lfthndthrdsers or wokers I would pull their teeth for their gold fillings funnyboy

#199 | Posted by bruceaz at 2009-11-01 08:28 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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daddy taught you well huh.

Apparently Bruce is the best and brightest of what's left of the proud Republican party after the neoconservatives took it over and ran it and our country into a ditch....

#202 | Posted by woke at 2009-11-01 08:32 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Apparently there's not much left, thank goodness...

You two have got to be assholes,I know you're not newbies,But I've never been called a republican in my life.I usually spend my time saying i'm not a democrat,fact,I'm left of that.

Trollers just lo0okin" for a fight is my guess.

Wearing a chairman Mao shirt right now,Not a big fan but I like the shirt.

Like I said "you don't even know which way I lean"Ask around

"Like I said "you don't even know which way I lean"

Join the club, Bruce.

They can't make up their mind where I fit in either.

No biggie!!

Trollers just lo0okin" for a fight is my guess.

#205 | Posted by bruceaz at 2009-11-01 08:37 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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No, just trying to keep dumbasses like you from twisting the truth.

Think we've done that tonight ... don't you say Woke???

They can't make up their mind where I fit in either.

No biggie!!

#207 | Posted by Lisa at 2009-11-01 08:40 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Why don't you just make up your own mind .... Miss humility...

No, just trying to keep dumbasses like you from twisting the truth

What?What did I say that bothers you so much?

"Why don't you just make up your own mind .... Miss humility"

LOL

I already have...no one believes me.

What?What did I say that bothers you so much?

#210 | Posted by bruceaz at 2009-11-01 08:44 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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You don't bother me... just get your old man a handle and sign himm in..quit speaking vicariousy through him

I already have...no one believes me.

#211 | Posted by Lisa at 2009-11-01 08:44 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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why doesn't this suprise me?

Like I said "you don't even know which way I lean"Ask around

#206 | Posted by bruceaz

Given your advanced age I'd say painfully hunched forward

"why doesn't this suprise me?"

I don't know.

Are you always cranky??

lol

Hi Lisa,

I don't know about these fellows,in the old days(before internet) they'd go to the bar and if the bouncers didn't take care of them someone else would.

Not promoting an asskicking but they're just itching for a fight,doesn't matter what the subject is.

Proof of the fact:now they're picking on you,doesn't matter who,just itching for a fight

Are you always cranky??

lol

no, only when the wifey is cranky

Gimme you are funny. You are pushing 70.

Given your advanced age I'd say painfully hunched forward

Gimme,Closest guess yet,my friend

"no, only when the wifey is cranky"

That's not a good reason to be cranky. Nor does it help the situation at home, silly.

Two cranky people in the same house??

YIKES!!!

Gimme you are funny. You are pushing 70.

#218 | Posted by jackass at 2009-11-01 08:52 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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if gimme is pushin' 70 the wis and afbabble are crowding 80.

silverironist is the MAN

just get your old man a handle and sign himm in..quit speaking vicariousy through him

All I said was that he said all people have been conquered,I thought that was a valid point,that's all.Leave him out of it.
He'd kick my ass for even bringing him up

Gimme you are funny. You are pushing 70.

#218 | Posted by jackass

You think that's an insult punk?

Two cranky people in the same house??

YIKES!!!

#220 | Posted by Lisa at 2009-11-01 08:55 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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got to take it out on somebody....

"got to take it out on somebody."

So...you bring it here?

He'd kick my ass for even bringing him up

#222 | Posted by bruceaz at 2009-11-01 08:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

ok, leave your old man out of it

So...you bring it here?

#225 | Posted by Lisa at 2009-11-01 08:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

why not?

no, only when the wifey is cranky

Think we've done that tonight ... don't you say Woke

"why not?"

Because.

#228 | Posted by bruceaz at 2009-11-01 09:07 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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says the dumbass who invokes the opinion of his dad who'd kick his ass if he knew he was playing on the computer

#229 | Posted by Lisa at 2009-11-01 09:10 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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ok Lisa. Wifey isn't feelin' good doesn't mean I can't disagree. K?

"ok Lisa. Wifey isn't feelin' good doesn't mean I can't disagree. K?"

Well if your wife isn't feeling you well, you should care for her, do somthing to make her feel better.

Must I teach you everything?? : )

I'm a little teapot
nice and stout
here is my handle,here is my spout
when I get all steamed up
hear me shout
tip me over and pour me out

says the dumbass

Well if your wife isn't feeling you well, you should care for her, do somthing to make her feel better.

Must I teach you everything?? : )

#232 | Posted by Lisa at 2009-11-01 09:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

She's sleeping. why do you think you see so many posts?

You rarely see more than 2 posts daily from me.

"She's sleeping.

Well I hope she feels better when she wakes up.

And don't snip at me!!!!

And don't snip at me!!!!

#235 | Posted by Lisa at 2009-11-01 09:23 PM | Reply

OK Miss Lisa good night

see you tomorrow

thanks lfthndthrds,a small token of my appreciation

"OK Miss Lisa good night"

LOL

Good night!!

Does she you're playing on the computer?

Haha,let's be friends o:)

#237 | Posted by bruceaz at 2009-11-01 09:26 PM | Reply | Flag

does she know I'm playing on the computer? No she doesn't. she usually sees me working making a living... does your parents know what your doing?

I don't mind being your "friend" I just don't have a lot of time. I work for a living.

I work for a living.

You're the only one friend

does your parents know what your doing?

No they're long ago dead funnyboy

No they're long ago dead funnyboy

Is that even true?Maybe,sure shut up a mouth though.

I love this series of tubes