AH HA HA HA HA LOL LOL LOL LOL Get used to it remember Hope and Change from Obama/God is really Tax and Spend...

And 1,990 pages is this the best Nancy and Harry could come up with, come on guys just another 10 pages and you would have hit 2K...

HOW DARE THIS INFORMATION GET RELEASED.

But, but but, he promised no new taxes on us poor old middle class folk.

They look more like penalties to me.

Notice the word IF.

Boy, you guys sure are easy to scare. Don't you ever get tired of being so fucking scared of everything? Go hide under your bed and leave the important issues to those who can deal with them without pissing their own pants.

Jesus Christ, what a bunch of pussies you all are.........

There are a lot of new taxes in this.

What concerns me are the loopholes that are inevitably available.

For instance.... (and if this is addressed in the bill then point it out...I haven't seen it yet)

If I have a business with a payroll over $500K then I could split up my business into multiple businesses to keep all my businesses under the $550K threshold.

just a thought.

sorry $500K threshold.

There appear to be penalties for an employer for not contributing enough to a health plan.

I thought there would be penalties for contributing too much. Is that still in there?

Jesus Christ, what a bunch of pussies you all are.........

#5 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-10-30 01:56 PM

Hey Manypaths why don't you man up and pay All the new taxes yourself since it is no big deal...

We can have your Daddy bill you directly...

Are these guys morons? They're counting simply reporting payments as a tax hike. Same with limiting a tax giveaway to make the playing field more equal: folks with FSAs get to deduct the first dollar they spend on Health Care, others have to beat 7.5% of their AGI, AND itemize deductions.

WARNING: Authors With Agendas.

Are these guys morons? They're counting simply reporting payments as a tax hike............

#11 | Posted by Danforth

No. They are simply writing shit to be eaten up by morons.

WARNING: Authors With Agendas.

#11 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-10-30 02:10 PM

This coming from you Danforth...

HOLY CRAP talk about the pot calling the kettle black LOL LOL...

Hey Manypaths why don't you man up and pay All the new taxes yourself since it is no big deal...

#9 | Posted by ATaxpayer

None of them apply to me. I have nothing to fear.

You on the other hand, WHOA BOY, you're probably shitting your pants right fucking now.

So "TAXPAYER" which of these "taxes" apply to you and how much will you pay out of your pocket?

Right, so shut the fuck up.

No. They are simply writing shit to be eaten up by morons.

#12 | Posted by axe

You can see it hanging off of Taxpayers chin.......

Well lets see so far we have Danforth, manypaths, and AXE...

Yep NO Authors With Agendas in that bunch LOL LOL...

#15 | Posted by Manypaths

Hey Manypaths between you and Danforth and AXE you have just enough to complete a circle jerk...

How much extra taxes you going to pay? Pretty simple question.

With a name like ATaxpayer, you ought to know exactly what this is going to cost you. Go back to the link. Go line by line and tell us just how much this will cost you since it pisses you off so fucking much.

If you want to create something to be angry at, that is your fucking problem. I'm just pointing that fact out. Your crying over nothing.

With a name like ATaxpayer, you ought to know exactly what this is going to cost you. Go back to the link. Go line by line and tell us just how much this will cost you since it pisses you off so fucking much.

#18 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-10-30 02:24 PM

Oh please you sound like a leftwing Liberal Drama Queen uh oops well nevermind, oh please somebody stop me...

Here is the real cost and before you get your panties all twisted yes it most likely will cost me more money as I am considered rich under Obama. That being said the real cost is what this plan will do to the small buisness man...

They look more like penalties to me.

Notice the word IF.

What a dumbass.

Most, if not all taxes, contain the word "if." "If" you earn money, it will be taxed. That doesn't mean that the income tax isn't a tax just because you have the option of not earning the amounts in each bracket.

How much extra taxes you going to pay?

I can't see anything at this point yet

but I have an employer who pays 87% of my premium (more than 65%). my employer might to pay an excise tax if he didn't (and he would share that cost with me I'm sure)

I don't have any non-prescription medications being paid for out of my flex spending account but apparently that benefit is going away too.

I'll wait till I know more.

Well lets see so far we have Danforth, manypaths, and AXE...

Yep NO Authors With Agendas in that bunch LOL LOL...

#16 | Posted by ATaxpayer

We're bloggers idiot. The author is Ryan Ellis.

No wonder you're so angry.

Go line by line and tell us just how much this will cost you since it pisses you off so fucking much.

OOOps almost forgot ok utilizinG verns calculater aproximatly $9.95 ...

They are penalties Joe.

You know it. I know it. None of those apply to me.

Who do you guys think is paying for the care of the uninsured today? Do you care what that fucking costs you?

Here is the real cost and before you get your panties all twisted yes it most likely will cost me more money as I am considered rich under Obama. That being said the real cost is what this plan will do to the small buisness man...
#19 | POSTED BY ATAXPAYER AT 2009-10-30 02:34 PM |

Taxes should be a drop in the bucket if you are rich.

WASHINGTON The average U.S. family and their employers paid an extra $1,017 in health care premiums last year to compensate for the uninsured, according to a study to be released Thursday by an advocacy group for health care consumers.
Families USA, which supports expanded health care coverage, found that about 37% of health care costs for people without insurance or a total of $42.7 billion went unpaid last year. That cost eventually was shifted to the insured through higher premiums, according to the group.

"I don't think anybody has any idea about how much they are paying because of the need to cover the health care costs of the uninsured,"

Why doesn't THAT piss you off? Would be nice to end that practice huh?

We're bloggers idiot. The author is Ryan Ellis.

#22 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-10-30 02:36 PM

Well how was I supposed to know I was dealing with actual real live "bloggers" OMG who knew, you will just have to get more people to complete your circle jerk that's all...

BTW where is Hans...

Sorry boys do carry on...

That being said the real cost is what this plan will do to the small buisness man...

This small business pays 100% of HC. None of these 'taxes' apply.

When Obama promised not to raise taxes on anyone making less than 250,000 a year, it didn't occur to anyone to ask, "Do you mean in dollars? Or pennies?"

"HOLY CRAP talk about the pot calling the kettle black"

This from the moron who pretended 5.9 million was smaller than 2.5 million, and kept at it long after being proven wrong.

It's amazing that you all fail to see the cost savings to the tax payers.

It's because you fail to look at the issue objectively.

You are all paying for the uninsured as we fucking speak. THAT should bother you. Why doesn't it?

When Obama promised not to raise taxes on anyone making less than 250,000 a year, it didn't occur to anyone to ask, "Do you mean in dollars? Or pennies?"

#29 | Posted by rightisright

There she blows the first DEAD BALLS ACURATE of the day give that man a cigar...

Still not one of you can detail any cost increase to you.

Keep crying over nothing. The rest of us will work on progress while you cry.

I have to go manypaths you were doing just fine until I came along sorry dude...

You really suck at addressing questions.

Something tells me you don't like the answers.

Ha ha!!

I have to go manypaths you were doing just fine until I came along sorry dude...

#34 | Posted by ATaxpayer at 2009-10-30 02:50 PM | Reply | Flag: I QUIT AS YOUR QUESTIONS NAILED ME TO A WALL THAT I COULD NOT PULL MYSELF OFF OF.

Later quitter!

This from the moron who pretended 5.9 million was smaller than 2.5 million, and kept at it long after being proven wrong.

#30 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-10-30 02:46 PM

DID NOT...

"DID NOT"

Later quitter!

#36 | Posted by Manypaths
We're bloggers idiot. The author is Ryan Ellis.

#22 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-10-30 02:36 PM

Well maybe I just can't keep up with real bloggers, no that's not it I have a life outside the DR I must attend to...

Why don't you and Danforth and AXE get this all figured out and I will get back to you on Monday...

"Why don't you and Danforth and AXE get this all figured out"

Oh, we've figured it out already. You're an idiot who claims Fox beats the Networks, and laps up the Koolaid when they tell you reporting a payment made is a tax hike.

"DID NOT"

Bullshit.
www.drudge.com

#38 | Posted by Danforth

You know I said Cable networks the free Networks will always have more viewers, now quit dragging me back in here...

Hasta Laredoo...

You are all paying for the uninsured as we fucking speak

And if this bill passes, we will be paying for their health insurance. What's the difference?

If you aren't going to answer the questions that shoot your fear full of holes, then hurry up and leave.

Dan, hand Taxpayer his ass back so he can leave.

In a discussion about Neilsen ratings, Ataxpayer posted:

ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, PBS, all share two things in common...
1) All are "White House Approved"...
2) All are behind FOX NEWS...
#6 | POSTED BY ATAXPAYER AT 2009-10-29 01:26 PM

So now, him claiming he didn't is a lie.

"You know I said Cable networks the free Networks will always have more viewers"

Yeah...after you were bitch-slapped by the facts.

"And if this bill passes, we will be paying for their health insurance. What's the difference?"

They might go for prevention, instead of just for cure.

No Joe, their employers will.

Please try to read the attatched link.

What this says that instead of you and I picking up the bill, the people who make money off of the backs of these people will.

Do you really not understand this?

Thanks Dan.

What this says that instead of you and I picking up the bill, the people who make money off of the backs of these people will.

Yeah, just like Social Security will only be spent on Social Security, etc. Taxes are taxes, and they all go into the same pot.

Payroll expense is payroll expense. If you really believe that you can force up the costs of hiring someone, without also adversely affecting hiring and pay packages, you're out of your mind. If the law instead were to require every employer to give $500 a year to help out with fuel costs, do you really believe that employers would sit there, and not take out $500 from their pay elsewhere?

Carry on. Obama lies are multiplying, and so are the libbies' frustration in explaining them away.

"so are the libbies' frustration in explaining them away."

Just to see where you stand, RiR: do you agree with the author, that requiring reporting of a payment made is a "tax"?

RiR,

How much is the Insurance Lobby paying you to shill for them. You obviously are not bothering to read any of the posts here and can only parrot the party line.

Just tell them you posted lots of their lies here today and we won't contradict you. Honest. You can rob them blind as far as we are concerned but please just stop posting your bullshit.

So Joe, some of those penalties mentioned in the link apply to you? You claim to work for a law firm right? They don't have good coverage for you?

Which one applies to you and your wallet?

How much is the Insurance Lobby paying you to shill for them.

Do you even understand his point? seriously.

Seriously his point is bullshit. The moron hasn't read the article and has no clue what his is talking about. He just blindly repeats whatever lie he has been emailed in today's insurance company talking points bulletin.

He is a paid shill wasting our time.

This dishonest fuckwad is incapable of listing one single 'tax' the article lists that might possibly affect him.

He hasn't even taken the time to read beyond the first paragraph (if that far).

Like usual, RiR is a fraud and a sad waste of bandwidth.

So Joe, some of those penalties mentioned in the link apply to you?

When did I say that?

I said that in the end, the taxes legislators claim will pay for their new programs never bring in the sort of revenue they claim it will, and even if it does, the program is paid for out of the general fund. They aren't going to separate the money they take from all the rich people and set it aside to pay for health insurance.

And why should it matter which of the provisions apply to me? If Congress wanted to raise taxes on anyone making over a million to 90%, would I not be allowed to object?

You are free to worry how things affect other people. Don't be a socialist about it though. Why not let the people who it does affect speak for themselves?

My main point?

Democrat's Health Care Bill: Tax after Tax after Tax

That's a lie. Don't fall for it. That the Right needs to lie is telling too.

Enjoy your HC reform folks. It's been a long time coming.

Why not let the people who it does affect speak for themselves?

In that case, STFU about people who don't have health insurance, unless you're without it yourself.

Doesn't work that way Joe. The uninsured are my problem currently. Yours too.

Aren't you glad they are working towards taking that load off of our shoulders?

I am.

Joe you ignorant slut,

We have the right to talk about the uninsured because as taxpayers, WE PAY THEIR TAB every time they show up at an emergency room and run up a $2,500.00 tab for something that a $25.00 office visit at a doctor's office could have cleared up.

Ignorant slut......lol, not anything to do with Joe, I just love that line. Nothing personal.

Oh. Well in that case, I look forward to seeing my premiums go down as a result of this bill. When should we schedule the thread where we can compare whether that actually ever happened?

I think 2011 Joe. When was the last time they went down?

And you pay your own? I thought you were employed.

Money comes out of my check every pay period for it. I don't know where you work, but I've never had an employer that pays for all of it.

Yeah, I am lucky in that I have no idea what my premiums are. I have great Medical and Dental and the company pays 100% of it.

I guess my last job, started this one in 2001 had some deductions from my check, but was only 50 bucks or something, but I don't remember.

I pay around $40 every 2 weeks but it covers health, dental and vision. I don't think this comes close to covering the actual premiums though.

Seriously his point is bullshit. The moron hasn't read the article and has no clue what his is talking about. He just blindly repeats whatever lie he has been emailed in today's insurance company talking points bulletin.

he was saying that if there is an additional cost to an employer then it would be naive to ignore the fact that the employee will share in that cost.

He just rips into libs in the process of making his point.

Mo Money... Mo Money ... Mo Money

I did read the article, and it does affect me personally (I use a HSA, and I've just read that non-prescription drugs won't be available in my plans anymore).

Businesses will be taxed for not providing insurance; individuals will be taxed for not buying it for themselves.

That's okay. Obama's a liar. It must be hard work for you guys to strap on the kneepads, and try to pretend otherwise. Funny, really.

Ah, who cares. Let's just all sit back and enjoy libtard math: we'll all get more and more, for less and less. Money is free, we'll be able to give forty million uninsured insurance, expand access and care for everyone, AND IT'LL COST LESS!!!!

GOBAMA!! GO LIBBIES!! Next up, can I get a free car?

Abortion and Death Panels are back too. Lions and Tigers and Bears Oh My.

It's a job killer just like crap and trade will be.

Jesus Christ, what a bunch of pussies you all are.........

#5 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-10-30

oh please..

we face the evil face of liberalism here on a day by day basis....lol

small business

tax credit for them paying for employes PHASED downward..

heres hoping many of you dupes who support this are some of the first to get your ass laid off
it will serve you right.

and so lets see...phase down the tax credit..okay so thats not a tax increase OR IS IT>.

TAXES ON MEDICAL DEVICES

includes

hearing aids
knee replacement
hip replacement
PACE MAKERS.

we all know these arent tax hikes on the CONSUMER

OR IS IT>?????

PAGE 92

after a certain period of time you are NOT ALLOWED TO PURCHASE YOUR OWN INSURANCE...

so if you boss has decided to pay the penalty at a lower costs and you have to get your own
GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE FOR YOU

but OBAMA said you wouldnt lose your doctor

fuckin liar.

TAX FUNDED ABORTION.........BACK IN

DEATH PANELS.........back in.

"fuckin liar."

#78 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-10-31 10:29 AM | Reply | Flag: shiny mirror

oh well

if you say so,.,then shit son
I guess you have read the parts of the bill that show that IM wrong????????

well how about THIS then..

Well, if you want an entitlement program you need to raise revenue to pay for it. At least Dems are being responsible and trying to collect now rather than steal from our future like Republicans did when they passed tax cuts while we were running deficits.

"Democrats Admit: Our Health Care Bill Is a Cluster****"