Good for Him

Good for us.
Now, Robert REich needs to be brought in on economics.
Dr. Gov. Howard Dean on health care.

It's time to bring in the people who were the real leaders of the Progressive Movement and that just ain't Rahm Emanuel, Tim Geithner, Larry Summers, etc.

Hey Barack, remember us???? The people who got you elected????

It's time to bring in the people who were the real leaders of the Progressive Movement and that just ain't Rahm Emanuel, Tim Geithner, Larry Summers, etc.

Hey Barack, remember us???? The people who got you elected????

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Yes indeed, we need more tax cheats and extreme radicals in the WH.

And independents who got the Oblowjob got him elected. Dems cannot get their own elected without some willing dupes. They are waking up now, in less time than I predicted. Thank GOD.

"Yes indeed, we need more tax cheats and extreme radicals in the WH."

Robert Reich, Howard Dean, and Chuck Fucking Hagel are tax cheats and extreme radicals? What the ever-lovin' FUCK? I want whatever you're smokin'.

Howard Dean? Howard DEAN? The most pro-business, centrist Democrat to have run for the office of president in probably 25 years? Wow.

I think Danni was saying the president should replace Tim Geithner, who is a tax cheat.

What are you on, Chap?

What are you on, Chap?
#4 | Posted by pragmatist

Chrystal Methiah, of course.

Hey Barack, remember us???? The people who got you elected????
#2 | Posted by danni

Reading a post like that makes me want to give danni a hug.

Thanks for the giggle, Hag.

Thanks for the giggle, Hag.
#7 | Posted by pragmatist

Happy to help.

Was it for #5 or #6?

Ha--#5.

Dems cannot get their own elected without some willing dupes.

Nobody can win the WH without the independents, though the GOpers think otherwise and go for the radical right America haters. Just think, if McCain had chosen Romney instead of the Halfenor, he'd be President.

So, thank you Sarah Palin for saving America.

"So, thank you Sarah Palin for saving America."

Here's hoping she will do it again in 2012!

Wouldn't it be funny if someday Sarah actually admitted she is an undercover Democrat sent out to sabotage the Republican Party???

I love Hagel. One of the few, willing to tell the truth to the public.

Wouldn't it be funny if someday Sarah actually admitted she is an undercover Democrat sent out to sabotage the Republican Party???
" I'm with you real Americans" wink, wink, nudge nudge?

"Nobody can win the WH without the independents, though the GOpers think otherwise and go for the radical right America haters. Just think, if McCain had chosen Romney instead of the Halfenor, he'd be President."

Do you really think large numbers of the independents who voted for Barack Obama would have gone for Romney instead? Hm. I can't imagine, but I'm not sure I know many true independents. I seem to know many dyed-in-the-wool liberals and a smaller but equally committed number of conservatives (both labels apply to a fairly variant group of folks, but both groups tend to go for the parties that are commonly held to represent them).

Appointing Hagel as chairman? This is really absurd. One needs a big red Z for zioniston forehead before being appointed by Rahm Emmanuel to any of Obama's high level positions. Check out the commonality of credentials of his czars.

When oblowjob gets through blowing America no one that has an ounce of intelligence will want to remember him, or him to remember them, and will deny ever voting for such a failure...

Reading a post like that makes me want to give danni a hug.

#6 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine

Except..... it was her and many like ker that got him elected in the first place.

"Except..... it was her and many like ker that got him elected in the first place."

Which makes _me_ want to hug her. (No, I don't think Obama has everything right, but given the McCain/Palin alternative, I'll take what we have. If Obama truly fucks things up, and the Republicans field someone responsible and moderate, moderate like I believe the majority of the country really is, then I'll vote Republican. That combination of criteria seems utterly unlikely, doesn't it?)

Ever wonder why, with the exception of rushaddict calling him, "senator betrayus" Hagel has seldom received the same right wing smearjob for his criticism of the last regime?

Who owns the voting machines?

(moderate like I believe the majority of the country really is)

That's at least arguable if you limit your estimation to the issues that both parties have agreed to fight over.

Hey Barack, remember us???? The people who got you elected????
#2 | Posted by danni
Reading a post like that makes me want to give danni a hug.

#6 | POSTED BY HAGBARD_CELINE AT 2009-10-29 09:00 AM

Oh, I see, anyone daring to question a dem potus is worthy, eh?
See, that is the difference between the big tent, diversified dems and the lock step, rove talking point quoting pubs.....

You want to hug her for denigrating obama, not because you agree with her positons on any issues.

Anyone daring to even question the failed policies of the last admin were labled.....traitors, troop haters, anti American by those who think like you and place politics over country.

Try this idea.....if obama is pissing off right AND left, he must be independent of politics and doing what is RIGHT instead of pandering to his base.....

logic, something you should try sometime....

I'll await your response: most likely namecalling and insults, eh?

Try this idea.....if obama is pissing off right AND left, he must be independent of politics and doing what is RIGHT instead of pandering to his base.....

And he is pissing off every one to some degree. Am I happy with him? No. Do I think it's too early to throw him under the bus?

WAY too early.

Me too Ted....

And the only people who want to are those who voted in the last regime and their failed neocon policies which led to where we are now, and they have nothing new to suggest, no healthcare reform ideas, no ideas for getting our troops home, no plans to secure our economy,......just more smear and fear.....been there done that, eh?

Considering the dire straits the USA was in on Jan 20, 2009, anyone still playing politics are pathetic partisans who place a failed ideology OVER getting our country back on track....

And it's pretty easy to see who they are....

"Oh, I see, anyone daring to question a dem potus is worthy, eh?
See, that is the difference between the big tent, diversified dems and the lock step, rove talking point quoting pubs.....

You want to hug her for denigrating obama, not because you agree with her positons on any issues."

Jerk, I don't condone anyone denigrating the president. Criticism is something different.

Do any democrats here want to set the Dude straight for me?

I haven't seen anybody be so quick to jump to conclusions as soon as they started posting here. You make a fool of yourself.

It's clear that you don't read even a small portion of my posts, so why don't you just make that a full time objective.

So blindly partisan that you can't even see from which direction criticism is coming.

read your posts?

Oh, i read them.

Each and everyone posted to me have been little but namecalling and insults.....as i said, including this one above: ( "a fool of yourself So blindly partisan")

and apparently you believe those are valid arguments.

You claim I'm partisan, yet it is YOU who is willing to hug someone who complains that Obama isn't fulfilling the issues you oppose.

Allllllllllllllrightythen.

"You claim I'm partisan, yet it is YOU who is willing to hug someone who complains that Obama isn't fulfilling the issues you oppose."

What am I left with when sense isn't enough to get through to you? You write in complete and total ignorance of the dynamics of the retort community.

You're either a sweathog yourself, or you do this on purpose.

I'm done believing that you're here by accident.

Woke, man, I know you don't count me among your attackers, so I'm hoping my words might mean something.

Hagbard is hardly a kneejerk reactionary rightwinger who engages in random denigration or even criticism of the president or his supporters. He is, or tries to be (and does well), an even-handed critic of folks (or ideas) on both sides. When I read your first reaction to his "hug" comment, I was ... flabbergasted. You see, Danni is about as leftwing as you, and she was noting (or so I read it) that she wants Obama to be true to the progressive ideals she felt he campaigned, or true to the progressives who believed in him. She wanted him to appoint folks of that ilk. And Hag wants to hug her for that, implying to me that he is supportive of more deeply liberal action. Hence my being flabbergasted by your response.

I remain flummoxed.

Maybe I'm misreading one or both of you. But it looks as if you overreacted, Woke. Of all people to accuse of kneejerk denigration of Obama or kneejerk celebration of such denigration, well, shit, Hag should be as far from that list as George W Bush was from Vietnam.

"And Hag wants to hug her for that, implying to me that he is supportive of more deeply liberal action..... Of all people to accuse of kneejerk denigration of Obama or kneejerk celebration of such denigration, well, shit, Hag should be as far from that list as George W Bush was from Vietnam."

Thank you.

complete and total ignorance sweathog yourself,
I'm done believing that you're here by accident.

#26 | POSTED BY HAGBARD_CELINE AT 2009-10-30 09:45 AM

Again with the insults, insinuations and namecalling....apparently it's all you have, eh?

complete and total ignorance is not an insult, its a simple statement of fact. I can see how you might not see that.

See post #27 for your edification.

Pragmatist

all due respect, since you are one of only a FEW here who have attempted to speak with me in a cogent and respectful manner......respect is returned as it is given....by me.

But hag is someone who denigrates me every chance he gets, (including the 30 yrs i spent teaching special education students.....using my own information i shared about myself as a club).....tho he doesn't want to share what he does for a living (besides post on DR daily)

Again, and slower this time.....

The FACT that both extreme right and extreme left are denigrating Obama for action/inaction/wrong action is proof:

1. That he is doing what is right for our country and not simply playing politics

2. that anyone denigrating him, especially after this short time in office and the disasters he inherited, is not an independent but an partisan, placing politics over what's best for the country

3. Namecalling and insults are the stock and trade of those who have no valid arguments to make

imho

Finally, since coming here, I find the repeated support for "regulars" over newbies, regardless of issue and opinion to be pretty pathetic......it reminds me of stockholm syndrome somewhat.....

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck...

posted by the Chapel above...

a singular guy/chick who things he/she is a whole
congregation...(might say something about the
voices in their head)...

"...need more tax cheats"...

So I take it you want the Republican's back in
Control. They are the one's that look the
other way at tax cheats. Heck, some of them are
probably amongst their largest donors...

...while in other news, Obama sicks the IRS on the wealthy tax cheat elite...

(fyi...turn down all those voices in your head, you obviously can't hear the train for all the horns and whistles)...

"The FACT that both extreme right and extreme left are denigrating Obama for action/inaction/wrong action is proof:

1. That he is doing what is right for our country and not simply playing politics"

Not necessarily. In fact it could mean the exact opposite.

"2. that anyone denigrating him, especially after this short time in office and the disasters he inherited, is not an independent but an partisan, placing politics over what's best for the country"

I steer clear of denigrating the President. You seem to have a really loose definition of what that word means.

and I just learned something new
( send in lame stupid jokes here.

)

we have a 'nationial survelliance commissoner'

and they can spy on you even for things like not recycling??

one more little nudge into all out 'libertarianism' for me.

all due respect, since you are one of only a FEW here who have attempted to speak with me in a cogent and respectful manner......respect is returned as it is given....by me.

thats not true
I have even called you a name ..something like a well informed advisary and you returned it with a personal attack and more liberal horseshit gibberish...

but you are really more concerned with us kissing your ring as if you were some sort of 'holy relic'...and YOU reaped what you sowed.

"The FACT that both extreme right and extreme left are denigrating Obama for action/inaction/wrong action is proof:"

Fact? Denigrating or criticizing? There's a difference. I don't agree, though, that two sides being pissed is proof that the middle action is right. I sort of get your point, but I don't agree, not all the way. And I firmly believe that many here criticize his choices but don't denigrate him.

I'm sorry you feel so attacked here, but I haven't seen it as coming from so many sources as you assert. Of course, it is the recipient of the action who gets to tell how they feel, not the person perpetrating the action. (As for Hag, even if you feel well and truly attacked by him, calling him partisan or accusing him of denigrating our current president leads me to conclude you're not reading his words carefully. I won't repeat my earlier words, but I stand by them. I disagree with Hag sometimes, but I have never felt he was kneejerk anything. And again when you first yelled at him today, you yelled at him for wanting the president to be _more liberal_.)

Thank you again.

not sure this president could be more liberal..
whats to the left of total tryanny?

OH I KNOW

its called celisary........

hee hee........

"whats to the left of total tryanny?"

Have an extra margarita on me this afternoon, you clown. No salt. You're salty enough.

"I took an oath of office to the Constitution, I didn't take an oath of office to my party or my president." (Quote from Sen. Hagel, Dec. 2005)

I like that. He's a good choice and he has a good track record in his appointed and elected positions.

Ask anybody here how much time I spend namecalling and insulting posters.

I call out your newbie status because it causes you to make errors in your assumptions about who many of us are, not for any other reason.
#33 | POSTED BY HAGBARD_CELINE AT 2009-10-30 11:06 AM

I can only judge by what I have seen, since i haven't been around long enough to see all your other posts. Does someone else use your handle?

"a fool of yourself So blindly partisan... complete and total ignorance.... a sweathog yourself
I'm done believing that you're here by accident."

What's next, gonna denigrate my 30 years of advocating/working with deaf/blind, multihandicapped students again?

"Paranoia strikes deep, into your heart it will creep, it starts when you're always afraid, step outta line the man comes and takes you away"
Stephen Stills

"I can only judge by what I have seen, since i haven't been around long enough to see all your other posts. "

Which is why the first comment I ever made to you was that you take your lack of retort experience into consideration before you post because you make erroneous assumptions about posters.

"a fool of yourself"

Insult? It was intended more as a bit of advice, but I'll give that one to you.

"So blindly partisan..."

Insult? Arguable.

"complete and total ignorance"

That's just a statement of fact. That you chose to be insulted by it means that I cut a little too close to home.

".... a sweathog yourself"

Insult? I'll give you this one too, Mr. Kotter.

"I'm done believing that you're here by accident."

I don't know how the hell you can call that an insult.

"What's next, gonna denigrate my 30 years of advocating/working with deaf/blind, multihandicapped students again?"

You didn't see my post immediately following that jab were I gave you credit for your career choice. I couldn't do what you do. I wasn't attacking your work, I said the way you speak to people is like you are speaking to your students.

yeah hag,

you are all right and i am all wrong.

i'm guessing it's that way with everyone in your life eh?

whatever you say....but tell me this....if this is true, why are you always the one denigrating and namecalling and insulting, regardless of how you want to re-characterize it?

>>
"I wasn't attacking your work, I said the way you speak to people is like you are speaking to your students."
#42 | POSTED BY HAGBARD_CELINE AT 2009-10-30 12:52 PM

You really are this obtuse and self centered that you cannot see how saying that, because i give back as i get from rw trolls (and others), i must've treated students that way, eh? Are rw trolls as smart as deaf/blind, multichallenged individuals?

Perhaps in your world, not mine.

And to characterize my 30 yrs of advocating for those unable to advocate for themselves as "condescending" shows how pathetic and necessary it was to denigrate, rather than to speak to whatever point i was making.....most likely that some who claim to be indys or fence sitters on DR, actually advocate rw talking points, and if it quacks like a duck it probably is a duck.

If the shoe fits, wear it.

You didn't have to, but you choose to continuously to belittle, insult and attack me.

Done yet?

Raising your hand and telling the teacher one of your fellow retards is about to shit his pants isn't "advocating" for him. It's just simple selfishness on your part because you didn't want to smell his shit.

You were a student, not the teacher. After 30 years of kindergarden, you were asked to leave.

PS-You're a retard.

"whatever you say....but tell me this....if this is true, why are you always the one denigrating and namecalling and insulting, regardless of how you want to re-characterize it?"

You fail to see how insulting your posts can be. And yes, often unprovoked. I conceded my insults to you. I'm sure you're mature enough to do the same.

" because i give back as i get from rw trolls (and others)..."

Woke never initiates, he only responds in kind. Okay, got it.

"And to characterize my 30 yrs of advocating for those unable to advocate for themselves as "condescending"
shows how pathetic and necessary it was to denigrate, rather than to speak to whatever point i was making....."

You've totally ignored or mischaracterized my point on that issue for your own victimhood I guess. I don't know.

"most likely that some who claim to be indys or fence sitters on DR, actually advocate rw talking points, and if it quacks like a duck it probably is a duck."

What am I supposed to say to you, dude, that is going to make you understand that my criticism of the President and other democrats is of a wholly different kind from the criticism they gets from the right? I bend over backwards trying to make that clear on every post. I guess nothing will help.

woke is a window licker.

Sure, hag,....simply repost ANY of my posts using the namecalling and insults and denigration i have posted toward you. Except for saying something you said sounded similar to rw troll BS, or returning fire, I don't believe you can do so....

BTW

A person is known by the company they keep hag.

Easy to see who your low opinion of me attracts, eh?
And if it wasn't him, it would be wisgod, or goatman or any of the other rw trolls who have a little problem with trying to debunk any of the info i post in support of my pov, so like you, they resort to constant personal attacks, namecalling and insults, as if that makes their case.

Do you denigrate war vets like max cleland also, as your buddy cherryboy has?

I sincerely hope not.

If Cleland hadn't blown his legs off, he'd kick you in your retarded ass.

Woke, you've been attacked by both sides of the aisle. Admit it. George Patton isn't here to slap it out of you.

#49
And so is Obama, being attacked by extremist partisans on both sides of the aisle.

What does that tell you?

Oh, i forgot, you don't do logic, just ad hominem attacks.

#47

A cherryboy, just like you dropped a grenade jumping from a chopper, ya lyin pos, war vet denigrating mf.

Max Cleland, Mapping 'The Heart of a Patriot'
3 WEEKS AGO
Max Cleland volunteered to fight in Vietnam, and was rewarded with the Silver Star for his "gallantry in action." But he did not escape the brutality of the war; he lost both legs and his right arm when a fellow soldier accidentally dropped a grenade.

Now, run along boy and tell rc to suspend my account for slapping your lies down with referenced/links FACTS.

Cleland is a retard, just like you. That's why you lost the war in Vietnam. The Greatest Generation was ashamed of you failures, and so is the rest of the country.

I'll bet that you had a bowl haircut when you still had hair, didn't ya gramps? There was probably a lollipop stuck in it 24/7, because you're a retard.

Even retards know better than than to denigrate war vets based on politics.

You gettin my point yet hagbard? Saying i must be talking to DR posters as I did to students, is an insult to those students as well as to me.

Have a nice weekend

The difference between you and me, Woke, dude, is that when push comes to shove, and its time for hard core negotiations, I'm able to get the ear of the "rw trolleyboys" and you, with your sanctimonious and self righteous rhetoric, can not (holy shit, does that make me the retort's Ted Kennedy?). They are just as much Americans as you are no matter how you or I (or Bob) may feel about it. You would do well to remember that.

I thank you for your kindness in wishing me a good weekend.

It's Halloween in this house of spooks.
Ghosts and goblins have us shaking in our boots.

But its okay. They're all pretend.
So lets laugh and run as fast as we can.

-The Shineys

I must inject the fact that I wish I were as evenly dispositioned as Hagbard...but I'm not, so fuck you, Woke....