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Tuesday, October 27, 2009

British bishop Richard Williamson, who denied the Holocaust in a media interview last year, has been fined $17,800 by a German court for incitement. Williamson, a member of the Catholic splinter group Society of Saint Pius X, claimed in a German interview that there were no gas chambers during the Nazi period and 200,000 to 300,000 Jews were murdered, not 6 million.

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If only he had supported the global warming myth or maybe alien abductions, he would have been innocent of any thought crime.

Or, if only he was smart enough to realize what country he was in, he might have realized he could have told the same lies from England and would have been "innocent".

12,000 Euros? That's like what, a million dollars?

ff #3

meanwhile everyone knows knows the 6 million died number is a myth create from tortured logic...

Churchill's Crimes From
Indian Holocaust
To Palestinian Genocide

By Gideon Polya

23 January, 2009
Mwcnews.net

www.countercurrents.org

#4 | Posted by Bani at 2009-10-27 01:46 PM | Reply | Flag: should visit Auschwitz ... in 1944

catholics and muslims-not too different when it comes to women, jews and boys.

#4 | Posted by Bani at 2009-10-27 01:46 PM | Reply | Flag: should visit Auschwitz ... in 1944

#5 | Posted by Zatoichi

was there in a past life with Max...

What's this world coming to? --- I'm not going to name names but this could be a slippery slope and the thought police could eventually fine some of the posters on this web-site for their outrageous misformed statements.

Here's a tip...run and hide.

#5 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2009-10-27 01:50 PM | Reply | Flag:Should visit Treblinka and look for graves, but you won't find any.

What's this world coming to? --- I'm not going to name names but this could be a slippery slope and the thought police could eventually fine some of the posters on this web-site for their outrageous misformed statements.

#8 | Posted by matsop

Go fuck yourself.

#10 | Posted by dxlingr at 2009-10-27 08:03 PM | Reply | Flag: (I'm looking for a word I have not found.)

Treblinka 1945
www.holocaustresearchproject.o
rg

Should visit Treblinka and look for graves, but you won't find any.

What do Triblinkans do with their dead? Cremation?

www.ihr.org

For six days in October 1999, an Australian team headed by Richard Krege, a qualified electronics engineer, carried out an examination of the soil at the site of the former Treblinka II camp in Poland, where, Holocaust historians say, more than half a million Jews were put to death in gas chambers and then buried in mass graves.

According to the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust (1997), for example, "a total of 870,000 people" were killed and buried at Treblinka between July 1942 and April 1943. Then, between April and July 1943, the hundreds of thousands of corpses were allegedly dug up and burned in batches of 2,000 or 2,500 on large grids made of railway ties.

Krege's team used an $80,000 Ground Penetration Radar (GPR) device, which sends out vertical radar signals that are visible on a computer monitor. GPR detects any large-scale disturbances in the soil structure to a normal effective depth of four or five meters, and sometimes up to ten meters. (GPR devices are routinely used around the world by geologists, archeologists, and police.) In its Treblinka investigation, Krege's team also carried out visual soil inspections, and used an auger to take numerous soil core samples.

The team carefully examined the entire Treblinka II site, especially the alleged "mass graves" portion, and carried out control examinations of the surrounding area. They found no soil disturbance consistent with the burial of hundreds of thousands of bodies, or even evidence that the ground had ever been disturbed. In addition, Krege and his team found no evidence of individual graves, bone remains, human ashes, or wood ashes.

"From these scans we could clearly identify the largely undisturbed horizontal stratigraphic layering, better known as horizons, of the soil under the camp site," says the 30-year old Krege, who lives in Canberra. "We know from scans of grave sites, and other sites with known soil disturbances, such as quarries, when this natural layering is massively disrupted or missing altogether." Because normal geological processes are very slow acting, disruption of the soil structure would have been detectable even after 60 years, Krege noted.

While his initial investigation suggests that there were never any mass graves at the Treblinka camp site, Krege believes that further work is still called for.

"Historians say that the bodies were exhumed and cremated toward the end of the Treblinka camp's use in 1943, but we found no indication that any mass graves ever existed," he says. "Personally, I don't think there was an extermination camp there at all."

judicial-inc.biz

www.reddit.com

Attacking me does you no good. I'm just pointing out the facts.

Dude, I have ancestors from there, so go jump in your wading pool and play with your rubber ducky.

#6 | Posted by northguy3 at 2009-10-27 06:40 PM | Reply | Flag: Wishes he had been an alter boy in Boston.

My Great-Great Uncle died at Treblinka.
His fall from the guard tower was tragic.

dxlingr: Get a hold of reality!
IHR is the revisionist group run by Mark Weber, who sniffed Dr. William Pierce's ass at the National Alliance many years. Pierce wrote "The Turner Diaries," dx.
Still with me?
Sooooo, what book was the model for the Oklahoma bombing by Tim McVeigh? Yep: "The Turner Diaries."
Dx: you keep scams like the Southern Poverty Law Center in business. You keep IHR in business so you keep their enemies going.
If anyone wants to see how much of a moron dx is, do a web search on cosmo-theism....or Pierce.

They should take away his bishop license and throw him out of the church. Along with all the others who took part in the concordat in WWII.

The bishop is a dumbass, but that's not a crime, especially in Europe, obviously.

By the way, when will they start fining the many imams who preach the same things in their mosques?

richardrhine? He (Williamson) has not been re-admitted to the RCC yet and there is no such thing as a license to be a bishop. The Concordat was before WW II.
Ever read a history book?
Go to "Papalencyclicalsonline" and see for yourself there were TWO encyclicals (the most formal and solid Catholic Church statements) about Nazis. TWO. Both condemned their views.
How many formal statements did the Quakers, Episcopalians, Baptists or the New York Times issue in the same period?
Do your homework and come back with a report....

One:

www.papalencyclicals.net

Do your homework and come back with a report....

And everything was fine in fascist Italy?

"Do your homework and come back with a report...."

And everything was fine in fascist Italy?

The trains ran on time, the food was excellent and the women hirsute

...and the women hirsute

"Catholic girls with the tiny little mustache"

zappa

The trains ran on time, the food was excellent and the women hirsute

I was only asking.

FTA: the bishop had claimed that historical evidence indicated there were no gas chambers during the Nazi period.

No gas chambers?

O rly?

The Nazis originally used Trucks.

Mobile gas chambers on wheels.

Culling the mentally and physically handicapped of Poland with carbon monoxide as part of the Nazi euthanasia programme, called "Aktion T4".

Eventually they went on to build stationary gas chambers using XyklonB in their concentration camps as part of their Final Solution.

At it's busiest Treblinka alone had 10 gas chambers in continual use.

Sometimes there were signs just outside the gas chambers saying "This way to the delousing station" or "This way to the Showers".

Sometime the Jews were even handed bars of soap on their way into the gas chambers in order to facilitate the illusion.

Perhaps this mad-as-a-hatter ex-Bishop prick imagines they really were showers?

Denying one of the most well documented cases of attempted genocide in human history is a game for fools.

Be Well.

Treblinka actually consisted of two camps.
The first was a labor camp built by the Nazis
in 1941, housing about 20,000 political prisoners, mostly Poles. (About half of the prisoners of Treblinka I died in the camp.)
In 1942, the Nazis added a second camp, the
now-infamous Treblinka Extermination Camp. Treblinka II was not an Auschwitz-style "concentration camp," no prisoners lived here, they were sent here only to die. Perhaps 800,000 Jews were murdered at Treblinka
in a little less than a year and a half.

Map of Treblinka
The Nazis demolished the extermination
camp before they abandoned Treblinka
in late 1943 - although some remnants of
the labor camp still exist, nothing remains
of the extermination camp.

Just the fact that they removed the camp where witnesses saw one proves the point that nefarious activities went on there, or else why bother to spend precious man hours to totally demolish it.

Just the fact that Triblinka was so far away from every major thorofare proves nefarious activity, and a special train track was laid there, where there were no houses for holding prisoners, if you went to treblinka you only lived a day, the showers were in continuous use. no large kitchens to feed them, they didn't live long enough to eat.

Bogusze is a small village on the outskirts of Grajewo. It was the site of a "transit camp," where the Nazis kept Jews, Russians, and political prisoners waiting to be transported to the concentration and extermination camps. Jews from many of the nearby towns (including Radzilow, Stawiski, Szczuczyn and Grajewo) were sent to Bogusze. The few Jews from Radzilow who had escaped or hid during the pogrom of July 7, 1941 and who were thereafter caught (this included members of Rachel Finkielsztejn's family), were sent to Bogusze. Then, in December 1942, Bogusze was liquidated and all the Jews were sent to Treblinka (53 miles SSW of Radzilow) and Auschwitz, were three main centers. There are at least three memorials to the Bogusze Transit Camp in the area, only one of which is on the main road.
From the Stawiski Memorial Book: The Bogusze Camp had served previously [prior to 1942] as a concentration camp for Russian prisoners of war, where myriads of prisoners were tortured to death. The forests surrounding Bogusze were strewn with giant communal graves of prisoners. The camp occupied a very large area, and was surrounded by a barbed wire fence. It had trenches covered with simple roofs that served as living quarters for the residents of the camp.

SO, they killed 'em in Bogusze in a small village on the outskirts of Grajewo, then shipped them after that camp was removed, to triblinka but they didnt kill them there?

silly man.

They didnt use gas.

They used hot steam and scalded them to death.

On October 19, 1943, Odilo Globocnik wrote to Reichsfhrer-SS Heinrich Himmler: "I have completed Aktion Reinhard and have dissolved all the camps."

In an article published on August 8, 1943, the New York Times referred to a headline in a London newspaper which read: "2,000,000 Murders by Nazis Charged. Polish Paper in London says Jews Are Exterminated in Treblinka Death House." The subtitle read : "According to report, steam is used to kill men, women and children at a place in the woods." The London newspaper story was based upon an article published on August 7th in the magazine Polish Labor Fights, which contained information from a Polish report on November 15, 1942.

Steam is cheaper and not dangerous isn such mass quantities. Massive boilers produced enough of it to kill them in 30 minutes or less.

Womeen, children men, all together.

Treblinka familes are all missing family members, thousands and thousands of them.

They weren't killed, then maybe they are still alive there somewhere in the woods?

#4 | Posted by Bani at 2009-10-27 01:46 PM | Reply | Flag: Should be fined

In 2000, a document called the Hfle Telegram was discovered by Holocaust historians in the Public Records Office in Kew, England. This document consists of two intercepted encoded messages, both of which were sent from Lublin on January 11, 1943 by SS-Sturmbannfhrer Hermann Hfle, and marked "state secret." One message was sent to Adolf Eichmann in the Reich Security Main Office (RSHA) in Berlin and the other to SS-Oberststurmbannfhrer Franz Heim, deputy commander of the Security Police (SIPO) at the headquarters of German-occupied Poland in Krakow.

The encoded messages gave the number of arrivals at the Operation Reinhard camps during the previous two weeks and the following totals for Jews sent to the Treblinka, Belzec, Sobibor and Lublin (Majdanek) camps in 1942:

Treblinka, 71,355; Belzec, 434,500; Sobibor, 101,370; and Majdanek, 24,733.

The number for Treblinka, 71,355, was a typographical error; the correct number should be 713,555, based on the total given. The total "arrivals" for the four camps matches the total of 1,274,166 "evacuated" Jews in the Korherr Report.

Besides the freight trains that carried the Jews in box cars to Treblinka, there were also passenger trains with 3,000 people on board each train, as well as trucks and horse-drawn wagons that brought the victims to Treblinka.

Samuel Rajzman, one of the few survivors of Treblinka, testified at the Nuremberg International Military Tribunal that "Between July and December 1942, an average of 3 transports of 60 cars each arrived every day. In 1943 the transports arrived more rarely." Rajzman stated that "On an average, I believe they killed in Treblinka from ten to twelve thousand persons daily."

So, don't listen to eyewitnesses, just make up something so you don't have to doubt your superiors who you work for...

just playing devils advocate cause i do believe millions were killed.

but how does one survive if they are killing 10-12 thousand a day?

i mean why was rajzman spared cause it was just a heard of killing going on?

to me the number doesn't matter because the cruelty that was there is something the world should strive to never agian repeat, however the numbers have always seemed fishy.

i was at the inauguration...2 million people according to the reports.. but fuck if i could make out 2 million, the number was just "HUGE"

at any concert that has 10,000 people..

the number is just huge...
when your in a crowd you can't tell what the number is

did the eye witnesses have aerial views to make the massive estimates they are talking about?

From 4.3 million to?

"The new plaques in Auschwitz now claim deceptively that more than 1.5 million people were killed here."

www.zundelsite.org

The new tablets will replace one with the following inscription: "This is the place of martyrdom and death of four million victims murdered in the Nazi genocide, 1940-45."

It was previously thought that four million died at the camps. More recent research has revealed the figure to be closer to 1.5 million.

www.nytimes.com

funi how that 6 million number keeps finding new burial grounds...perhaps in Churchill's friends new/old homes?

I've stood in front of a classroom full of teengaers and in terms harsh enough to exceed simple cursing, spelled out just how stupid, pathetic, and evil holocaust denial is.

But even in Germany, I'm uncomfortable with the state imposing a fine. Still, its their country.

"catholics and muslims-not too different when it comes to women, jews and boys.

#6 | Posted by northguy3 at 2009-10-27 06:40 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: Not very perceptive"

": Flag: Not very perceptive""

yea

for muslims, its just local mullahs who only speak for themselves and those dumb enough to listen to them and have no official position in islam

for catholics the pope makes the decisions for the religion as he speaks on his Private phone directly with God.

"for muslims, its just local mullahs who only speak for themselves and those dumb enough to listen to them and have no official position in islam

for catholics the pope makes the decisions for the religion as he speaks on his Private phone directly with God"

As far the kooky things they claim to believe about their imaginary friend, they are pretty similar.

I was more talking about the reality of how jews and women are actually treated by the two different groups in countries where one group or the other is dominant. Anyone who thinks that treatment is similar suffers a brain-damaged level lack of perception.

sully

you are right...

but i will reiterate that this is a cultural thing.

not a religious thing.

those muslim majority countries neeed major cultural change.

but i am a muslim, and i have more jewish friends then muslim friends.

"but i will reiterate that this is a cultural thing.

not a religious thing."

Well some of the cultures you are talking about are heavily based around religious belief and the curbs on woman's rights in particular are usually presented as being a religious requirement. But I understand that not all Muslims share those beliefs.

:)

i just feel that the religious beliefs are molded around their cultural beliefs and not vice versa.

meaning arab culture was anti woman before islam.

islam came and tried to change that (albeit not up to modern standards) but the arabs fell back to being the way they were before islam.

pakistan's cultural revolution is happening.. and i hope in a generation of two woman will have their movement and force equality.

its already started.. and legally its already the case... culturally in certain areas its taking time and a fight.

In WW2 Churchill deliberately starved 6-7 million Indians to death, continued to foster Muslim-Hindu antipathy that led to the horrors of Indian Partition and persuaded his War Cabinet on racist Partition of Palestine. Yet the holocaust-complicit Anglo media, academic and politician Establishment is still in denial.

Last year I published an article in MWC News entitled "Media lying over Churchill's crimes. British-Indian Holocaust" in which I summarized 15 major crimes in which Winston Churchill was COMPLICIT (notwithstanding that he is deservedly our hero for leadership in the fight against Nazism).

Before this article was published, a Yahoo or Google search for the phrase "Churchill's crimes" yielded about three (3) articles about Winston Churchill's crimes an extraordinary testament to the Soviet-style effectiveness of Anglo mainstream media, academic and politician lying, censorship, self-censorship, ignoring and denial.

After publication of my article on MWC News a Yahoo search for the phrase "Churchill's crimes" yielded a peak of 35,000 URLs which has shrunk (no doubt due to more Bush, neo-cons, and Zionist Anglo censorship) to 17,400. Indeed pro-Zionist Google censorship deliberate LYING by omission - means that a Google search for the phrase "Churchill's crimes" now yields 999 URLs and the direct link to my evidently extremely high-impact article is completely missing.

www.countercurrents.org

Some holocaust denial thought crime here, too?

The time has come to revere all lives lost to war and political malfeasance and not just one small group of people in order to justify a land grab.

Can anyone really say one life is worth more than another? Can anyone tell me how many people on the continent of Africa have died/been displaced in the last twenty years due to political war? Do they even count?

"And everything was fine in fascist Italy?"

No, bruceaz, it was not. If you are ignorant of the standoff between Italy and the Vatican over the Papal States, avail yourself of Wiki. Also, show me the "concentration camp" in Mussolini's Italy.
Italian Fascism was about the same as Chicago or Jersey City politics. No better, no worse. I certainly do not favor such things but also do not rank them with the nazis or commies yet.

Yeah.
Hitler spilled less semite blood than the isreal government does today.
That european and anglo jews are further removed from semite blood lines than either the indigenous tribes of north and south america, pacific islanders or the entire asian population of the planet. Fact is, the only semite group of jews exists in north africa, and are mostly rejected by mainstream jews.
We could also discuss the fact that the jewish "people" have engaged in more acts of genocide than any other group. Many against their fellow semite peoples.

When you lie and deceive on top of lies and deception on top of lies and deception, and so on, and so on.
Hitler was an evangelical/fundimentalist christian.
An end timer, at that.
What a disease.

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