If General McChrystal destroys Pakistan....well, since Pakistan consists of a section of a land mass claiming it has sovereignty over people they are too scared to confront and ergo do not rule...nothing much has been lost, right?
Get rid of this bothersome pretense of a "country." Let India move in and restore sanity to the region.
Actually, I do not believe that. But tosser made me realize what morons inhabit his area of the world and I just wanted to reciprocate his mentality.

I don't know what kind of moron you have in your Afghanistan command.

Or may be he's the sane one and its the Asia Times correspondent who's huffed something he shouldn't (I leave that possibility in the title).

The reason I say that of course is because of this quote from the article:

The aim [purportedly of the Waziristan Operation] is to spread the Taliban-led Afghan insurgency into Pakistan.
This, it is reasoned, will make it easier to deal with the insurgency in Afghanistan with a blend of military operations and political deals.

To quote a famed military scholar; What The Fuck?

A reporter does not speak for the U.S. or Pakistani governments.

A reporter does not speak for the U.S. or Pakistani governments.

He certainly doesn't. However he does try to report what he sees.

And what he apparently sees is the exacerbation of strategic anarchy.

FTA: McChrystal has served as director, joint staff and also as commander, Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC). Major-General McChrystal ran Baghdad's Camp Nama, the "Nasty Ass Military Area", where prisoners were tortured to spill out beans on Jordanian Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. JSOC forces were credited for capturing Saddam Hussein and McChrystal was later credited for the death of al-Zarqawi. The top US commander in Afghanistan was commissioned in the US army in 1976 and most of what McChrystal has done over the past 33 years remains classified. Newsweek called the JSOC as "the most secretive force in the US military". And, Seymour Hersh, the Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative journalist of The New Yorker, told Gulf News that [former US vice president] Dick Cheney headed a secret assassination wing and the head of the wing has just been named as the new commander in Afghanistan. In an interview with Gulf News (May 12) Hersh said that there is a special unit called the JSOC that does high-value targeting of men that are known to be involved in anti-American activities, or are believed to be planning such activities.

The Deadly Vipers Assassination Squad is real?

That all sounds like Operation Phoenix redux.

Do not want.

This article does seem suspiciously unsourced as well.

The premise, if it's to be believed, seems utterly nutso.

Be Well.

However he does try to report what he sees.

Then he is blind.

He only picked up on a constant in the Pakistani media (that America is would love to destroy Pakistan.. if it could) and spun a fantasy around it, using stuff from all over the Pak-blog-world.

Asia Times is the shittiest source of fantasy one can find these days on the internet, masquerading as "news". LOL

This article does seem suspiciously unsourced as well.

And that be true.

Tosser

I've never personally met anyone who dislikes Pakistan let alone wants to destroy it.

Certainly hope you aren't forming your opinions from a blog like this ...

claiming it has sovereignty over people they are too scared to confront

huh?

Actually, I do not believe that.

Oh.

Baby tried to make funny.....

But tosser made me realize what morons inhabit his area of the world

But tosser did THIS to me! And then tosser did THAT to me!

Mom, I'm scared!

For those who don't know... Diablo blames me for the last "vacation" he took. As for me being a moron, THAT is because I don't buy into his Christian Fundo creed. LOL

The ONLY thing I dislike about Pakistan is their knives and medical utencils. Fucking knives refuse to hold an edge and the medical utencils always rust on You. Other than that I have nothing pro or con to say about them.

Larry

I've never personally met anyone who dislikes Pakistan let alone wants to destroy it.

An example:

Fucking knives refuse to hold an edge and the medical utencils always rust on You.

That's because Americans import the cheapest stuff only (the garbage kind) from Pakistan, for a bigger profit margin.

If you ever get your appendix out, there is a 80% chance they will cut you with a Pakistani surgical instrument. When THAT can hold an edge....

Pakistan is the largest maker of samurai swords too. LOL

He only picked up on a constant in the Pakistani media

Thats true.

(that America is would love to destroy Pakistan..
if it could) and spun a fantasy around it

Yup, its an old story.

using stuff from all over the Pak-blog-world

This is where I disagree; he actually DOES report.

This is him in Swat before the offensive:

THIS is the American agenda.

You showed the "Before" Picture.

And that isn't the only example.

The article "Blood Borders" was taken very seriously in circles that matter (military, strategic think-tanks, govt and lawmakers).

Americans, of course, know they can't just snap their fingers and make it happen. This was only a "probe" to test what response it would get from people who matter. Also, it is a standard intelligence technique to say/do something outrageous to see WHO pops up to say WHAT... this gives an idea of the true chain of command in a complex setup.. who sez 'yes sir' to whom.

Such an exercise can very valuable for a number of reasons. Worked on the Russians all the time.

All you need to know is, you only do this to people you are working against.

As for the common American on DR... they have no bloody idea what their military people and what their leadership is really up to.

If the average American was so smart, they wouldn't have had Bush for 8 years and this Obama idiot for the next 3. LOL

"There are too many ways we can mess up the US mission in Afghanistan."

OK, you lost me there. Why would you want to?

"There are too many ways we can mess up the US mission in Afghanistan."

John McCain would have had you embroiled in WW3 by now. War happy.

Tosser

I looked at your links. Never heard of the publication, doubt many have. We have wackos. Small %

You showed the "Before" Picture.

Blood Borders: US Objectives

Oh yes... thanks for correcting!

We also have a strong chain of command. Rag tag wackos can do nothing. Our govt isn't anti-Pakistan.

This is where I disagree; he actually DOES report.
This is him in Swat before the offensive:
Video of Syed Saleem Shahzad in Swat

What kind of a reporter doesn't show his face in the whole "documentary"? LOL

I can get 4, 5, buddies, dress them up, and make a video supporting or against anyone.

This isn't reporting. My videos are better then this guy's and I was only having fun.

The only site out side Pakistan that keeps a close eye on the region.

The "only"? I can show you thousands.

In fact PDF, which you also belong to... which the BBC mooches from... is not in Pakistan either.

You have to know what the opposite side is up to.

I suppose you are right.

The Deadly Vipers Assassination Squad is real?

Never heard of the publication

That's because you are not part of the military people who make strategy.

That's because you are not part of the military people who make strategy.

As opposed to you and me Tosser; whom Kayani calls every other night ;-)

Seriously though there's some news in your inbox regarding pdf.

We also have a strong chain of command.

Oh yes. One of the strongest.

Rag tag wackos can do nothing.

Over 50% of Afghanistan is theirs by day and over 80% by night.

I think they've already done plenty. LOL

Our govt isn't anti-Pakistan.

You many layers of Govt. and your president hasn't been a real president since JFK.

We also have a strong chain of command. Rag tag wackos can do nothing. Our govt isn't anti-Pakistan.

@Timex I forgot to mention one more thing: Petraeus, general McChrystal's direct boss could be planning to run as the Republican candidate in 2012.

You heard it first from me

I forgot to mention it as a motivation/factor, but I'll mention it now.

Seriously though there's some news in your inbox regarding pdf.

I'll post it in the suggestions and comments section.

"Rag tag wackos can do nothing."

I was talking about our wackos. Small %. Very small.

"You many layers of Govt. and your president hasn't been a real president since JFK."

You're entitled to your opinion ...

Petreus running for Prez? Who knows. Hasn't worked out since Eisenhower. Several have tried. Independents don't win the WH.

Anyway Tosser I hope you will know most Americans hold no ill will towards your country.

John McCain would have had you embroiled in WW3 by now.

LOL... no.

Despite being an angry kook, he has more of a feel for these things as opposed to the current fraud in a suit and tie, who probably never fired a gun ever, much less fire one in defense of his country.

Why don't you be patient and see for yourself what a disaster Obama will make of things?

Be patient.

"You many layers of Govt."

The President sets our policy. Layers of govt have no bearing but to state opinions and give advice, then only at the top. After Bush and Cheney I can understand doubt. They were wackos.

a disaster Obama

As long as he sits on his ass, he won't have done anything wrong.

I hope you will know most Americans hold no ill will towards your country.

I know.

But then most Americans have no power whatsoever.... no power to hurt, no power to help. So it doesn't matter what "most Americans" feel.

What matters is what the snake you hide in your tool-shed, feels and wants.

Tosser

Seems like a man who's actually spent time in Pakistan and understands the culture would set your mind at ease more than someone who's a trigger happy pilot who crashed 5 planes and doesn't understand your culture. To each his own ... Night.

your president hasn't been a real president since JFK

They had a real President

Dick Cheney

As long as he sits on his ass, he won't have done anything wrong.

#33 | Posted by YS_1

Maneuvering us out of a disastrous economy and financial meltdown is a lot on the plate. Health care reform is a huge domestic issue and undertaking. Once that's done other transforming legislative endeavors will follow. 9 months...

Seems like a man who's actually spent time in Pakistan and understands the culture

Spending 2 weeks here doesn't make him an expert.

All he got out of it, is how to pronounce "Pakistan" properly. LOL

Ys, I made the post and uploaded the error pic.

TOSSER

"What matters is what the snake you hide in your tool-shed, feels and wants."

That's a little too extreme, Tosser.

The White House leans heavily on public opion polls.

It's the Million Man Marchs and the Teabaggers who hold no sway. Or any other extremeists with radical agendas.

If there's one thing a U.S. politician fears the most, it's his negative ratings.

They had a real President

Dick Cheney

LOL... good one!

Uh huh. Several years in Indonesia too. Understands Muslims are not bad people. You honestly think John McCain would have 'gotten' Pakistan better? He ever even been there? Didn't think so.

You have to know what the opposite side is up to. Thats why you scan through it.

A good rule of thumb.

It's why Spud watches FOX news, fer example.

Good Theme Song for the War on Terror

It's got a good beat and you can dance to it.

Spud gives it a 76!

it actually was a Successful Program.

In that it was a successful use of state terror to silence permanently some insurgency elements? Undoubtedly. Where it failed utterly was in casting America permanently in the role of bad agent in the region in the minds of the locals. It reinforced the argument that were winning hearts and minds in the North and created a more committed counter-insurgency than could be dealt with short of genocide.

It was, ultimately a moral and military FAIL.

When the state acts as terrorist it legitimizes any efforts against itself as self defense.

How do you think you guys killed off lots of Al Qaeda in Iraq types? The goddamn awakening councils fingered them for you and then you blasted them away.

America essentially bribed the "awakening councils" to shoot at the AQ (who's welcome was well worn out by that point) rather than US troops fer a while.

McChrystal ran that part of the show.

Know that.

If its original reporting...then what can you say? He does mention a lot on Rigi; especially how the Afghan Taliban simply do not trust him/his organisation.

It's not reporting it's recording.

An opinion.

Origin unknown.

That's Spud's point.

This McChrystal guy, I think, has ordered the Shiving of one man too many and in a very abstract way he could be thinking he's the lone Centcom Kurtz.

Joseph Conrad reference FTW! ^_^

It especially comes down to that JSOC team of killers he's built. Now theoretically, the US's main enemies are in Waziristan. But this JSOC killer team of super secret killers, assembled by breaking multiple rules at so many different levels (theoretically the best of the United States Armed Forces) are unable to penetrate the Haqqani network which is sheltering Al-Q's people. If the best of the best in the US military cannot achieve their goal against one guy without pushing an entire regional system into chaos (the avoidance of said chaos is part of their job description), what:

If there's one thing a U.S. politician fears the most, it's his negative ratings.

What he/she fears even more is special interests, like "what the hell do I do when the Forth Worth F-16 factory closes?"... it's in my area!

We bought a few F-16s and one phone call by Lockheed to the "President" and the "President" shit in his pants and changed things to favor Pakistan.

All we have to do is make sure Lockheed-Martin is happy. LOL

You honestly think John McCain would have 'gotten' Pakistan better?

I am sure of it.

And it was three weeks in Karachi. Three weeks longer than John McCain's spent in Pakistan. You have the reasoning of a wacko lol

You honestly think John McCain would have 'gotten' Pakistan better?

I am sure of it.

#45 | Posted by Tosser

It's only your opinion. Logic would say otherwise.

Understands Muslims are not bad people.

Hell, everyone knows THAT.

If Muslims were bad people... all 2 billion of them... America would be dead by now.

Maybe I should call Obama, "Capt. Obvious". LOL

It's only your opinion. Logic would say otherwise.

You will never understand this point if you have never worn a uniform.

People who served have a better understanding of the dynamics of conflict of mutually reciprocating relationships.

Isn't Tosser the same guy who laughed at the ignorant American press for reporting Musharraf was stepping down?

Forgive me if I don't take his opinions on Pakistani politics to seriously...

- Understands Muslims are not bad people.

Hell, everyone knows THAT.

#48 | Posted by Tosser

Guess again. Bush and Co had terrorists in our faces 24/7 for 8 years and left he impression you're premise is dead wrong despite their public statements. You don't know what you think you know.

Times: You honestly think John McCain would have 'gotten' Pakistan better?

Tosser: I am sure of it.

Translation: The repugs tend to cater to the MIC more than the Dems and thus American Aid to Pakistan in the form of mil-tech largesse would increase and for some unspecified reason reason that would be a good thingby Tossers lights.

Call it a hunch Toss, ole chum!

McLame was a brain-dead meat puppet who was bought and sold by the worst elements in the GOP under whom military adventurism in the region would have only increased and not to the benefit of either Pakistan or America.

That one aint a hunch.

K?

Be Well.

"You will never understand this point if you have never worn a uniform."

And you have? Bullets may win battles, but brains win the war. The Taliban may be routed, but if Afghanis don't have electricity, education, clean water, and opportunity that'll last only until the bullets run out. Haven't the last 8 years taught you anything?

Isn't Tosser the same guy who laughed at the ignorant American press for reporting Musharraf was stepping down?

Show me that post of mine, would you?

Forgive me if I don't take his opinions on Pakistani politics to seriously...

Ask Tosser if he gives a rat's fart to what you take seriously or not. LOL

Tosser

I'm going to bed. You're entitled to your opinions. That's all they are. OK goodnight.

TOSSER

John McCain was throw-away.

He was too old and too out of chances to be anything other than the next PNAC puppet.

"World Domination By Military Force" - the PNAC mantra. It says that right on the front page of their policy paper.

John McCain = World War III.

He and Cheney may have hated each other personally but they thought exactly alike on this issue.

History always erects nice statues to war presidents . . . didn't you know?

Thankfully, Obama wants to end stupid wars . . . not start bigger ones.

thus American Aid to Pakistan in the form of mil-tech largesse would increase and for some unspecified reason reason that would be a good thingby Tossers lights.

I would be the happiest person in the world if military "aid" to Pakistan is cut off.

However, what you call "aid" are actually bills for the use of 4 airbases and the supply-line from Karachi to Afghanistan and ALL the fuel NATO uses there.

As well as payments for our ice-cream (that's not a joke).

There is no military "aid" (I am not talking about the Kerry-Luger Bill).

There is the law that if you are a "major non-NATO ally" you get to pick and choose and buy stuff very cheap, that is surplus in the American military.

The press often calls THAT as "aid".

#57 | Posted by GustoGus

King of the Pakistani Internet just said "oops".

You're entitled to your opinions. That's all they are.

Maybe... maybe not.

Be patient and see.

Thankfully, Obama wants to end stupid wars . . . not start bigger ones.

#56 | Posted by Twinpac at 2009-10-24 06:01 AM | Reply | Flag (X) So stupid, he doesn't know that adding thousands more troops is an 'escalation', not and 'end'.

King of the Pakistani Internet just said "oops".

Which is why I didn't deny outright posting that in the first place. LOL

I didn't expect him to find it, but I see he was already sitting with the answer under his bum.

To answer him, nobody knows how a politician will act the next day.

Mushi could have stuck around but he just decided to call it quits.

I don't have a crystal ball and I can't see everything coming.

As for the American media, even a broken watch tells the correct time twice a day.

he doesn't know that adding thousands more troops is an 'escalation', not and 'end'.

First of all, Twinpac isn't a he.

And second, this buffoon is right. Obama wants to escalate... he just doesn't know how.

However, what you call "aid" are actually bills for the use of 4 airbases and the supply-line from Karachi to Afghanistan and ALL the fuel NATO uses there.

Really?

The history of U.S. assistance to Pakistan follows a predictable script: aid is tied to security imperatives that come and go, while the country's political and economic well-being is effectively ignored. As an early ally in the cold war, Pakistan received nearly $2 billion from 1953 to 1961, a quarter of which was military assistance. The United States then suspended assistance during the Indo-Pakistan wars and following Pakistan's construction of a uranium enrichment facility in 1979. Pakistan re-emerged as an ally in the 1980s during the Soviet Union's occupation of Afghanistan and was again the recipient of aid. But following the withdrawal of Soviet troops in the late 1980s, assistance to Pakistan took another nosedive.

Following 9/11, Pakistan became a U.S. ally once more, and unsurprisingly, almost all of the aid provided since has gone to military operations.

Nobody is resigning. Nobody is getting impeached.

Posted by Tosser at 2008-08-14 04:30 PM/Reply | Flag: (X) Can't even keep track of his day-to-day lies. LOL

According to that link American aid to Pakistan has been primarily military.

Most of that "aid" is permission to buy American surplus equipment very cheap.

That permission is not given to just anyone.... only to NATO countries.

Obama wants to escalate... he just doesn't know how.

No, Obama's trying to chase the four horsemen of the apocalypse back into the barn that Dumbya opened up.

McCain woulda escalated wot Obama is trying to shut down as prudently as possible.

How yer not getting that is a mystery.

How you can think he would been better fer Pakistan is beyond comprehension.

Be Well.

/K, that's it fer Spud exiting the beluffed and venerable Tort as ya do
stage left.

Can't even keep track of his day-to-day lies

Let's see what "lies" have I told? LOL

List them... and make it convincing.

How yer not getting that is a mystery.

How YOU are not getting that Afghanistan is going to be set on fire in the next 2 years by you Obama, is a mystery to me.

How you can think he would been better fer Pakistan is beyond comprehension.

Oh, a destroyed and broken Afghanistan is GREAT for Pakistan. LOL

However, the signals we are getting these days from the US point to something like a personal grudge against Pakistan.

TOSSER

"Obama wants to escalate... he just doesn't know how.

Maintaining status quo just drags things out forever.

As for escalation, I give him a lot of credit for putting some deliberative thought into this and weighing the consequences.

As for myself, I definitely don't want this to culminate in a future "scorched earth" situation if it's allowed to continue on.

And it will . . . guaranteed! If it has to.

YS... there is a link that sez "resend validation".

Did you try that?

Or did you give them a disposable email? LOL

That won't work buddy.

Maintaining status quo just drags things out forever.

He is not maintaining status quo. He has abandoned all American forward posts near the Pak border.

When, because of the PakArmy action in Waziristan, all the taliban run into Afghanistan, THERE IS NOBODY ON THE OTHER SIDE TO STOP THEM.

Looks like he wants to create the conditions for perpetual war in Afghanistan. LOL

And it will . . . guaranteed! If it has to.

We can shut off the supply line any time. That would give NATO and America 2 weeks survival time in Afghanistan... after which they either leave or get killed.

As long as the US behaves itself, that won't happen.

By behaving, we mean, destroy Afghanistan all you like.... it would suit us.... but don't try and involve Pakistan at any level, thanks.

I am re-posting in bold, in case you miss it in the clutter...

YS... there is a link that sez "resend validation".

Did you try that?

Or did you give them a disposable email? LOL

That won't work buddy.

TOSSER

I thought you said that the PakArmy annihilated the taliban in Waziristan?

As in . . . creamed the hell out of them.

Looks like he wants to create the conditions for perpetual war in Afghanistan. LOL

That's extremely doubtful. You don't know our Obama very well.

I thought you said that the PakArmy annihilated the taliban in Waziristan?

No... I never said that.

I did say, we creamed the hell out of "al-qaeda" (not the same as taliban).

As for the taliban in Waziristan, the operation against them has just started. It will go on for a few months before we can say they got creamed, even though they are getting killed in large numbers.

You don't know our Obama very well.

Then please explain to me WHY has the US abandoned the forward posts they used to keep a track on taliban border-crossing activity?

This is a sure way to let them into Afghanistan.... not keeping track of them and doing nothing to stop them.

Maybe this is a way for America get an excuse to "raise the temperature" in Afghanistan so McCrystal can finally get the "surge" he wants.

WHY has the US abandoned the forward posts they used to keep a track on taliban border-crossing activity?

And this happened exactly the day Pakistan started the anti-taliban operation.

Instead of trapping them on the other side, the Americans ABANDONED their positions.

What kind of a strategy is that?

TOSSER

We can shut off the supply line any time . . .

but don't try and involve Pakistan at any level

In that scenario, Pakistan would definitely be involved . . . by their own doing.

I don't think you'd like the spill-over.

Not only that but we'd miss you around here.

XXXOOOXXX

With that, I gotta go. My inbox is piling up.

Later gator . . . as they say in Okeechobee.

Oh BTW/ thanks for setting the record straight about my he/she status.

"
WHY has the US abandoned the forward posts they used to keep a track on taliban border-crossing activity?

I don't know, TOSSER. I'm a girl, not a general.

Besides that, all I wanted to do with this thread is boot Friday Night Zeitgeist off the top of the heap.

Now I'm so-o-o-o outta here.

I don't think you'd like the spill-over.

Others have underestimated us ... to their cost.

Where did the Soviet Union go? LOL

I don't know, TOSSER. I'm a girl, not a general.

It's something that will destroy Afghanistan. LOL

Friday Night Zeitgeist

Which reminds me... Rex isn't coming back from the dead this time, is he?

No, no and abolutely not!

(she says, hopefully)

I imagine his belly will be full of 'eating crow' for a long, long time.

Warning: If you tell the boss to take this job and shove it . . . don't be surprised when he does. Right where the sun doesn't shine.

Warning: If you tell the boss to take this job and shove it . . . don't be surprised when he does. Right where the sun doesn't shine.

That's hardly a surprise....

I didn't like Rex when we first connected but then he discovered Pakistani music on YouTube and we got along fine.

I don't think he was a bad person... just a very disturbed fellow who had trouble letting things go.

I wish him well, the idiot. LOL

Which reminds me... Rex isn't coming back from the dead this time, is he?

Posted by Tosser at 2009-10-24 07:28 AM | Reply SHOULD KNOW BETTER, YAHWEH RULES!

Meanwhile, Taliban driven off from their main town, Kotkai.

These guys are falling a lot faster than I expected.

What's up?

I think something got lost in the translation. For instance "Yankee Dog" in Pakistani translates to "Creole Style Canine"

Considering that Pakastini Intelligence is in league with Mullah Omar and Al Qaida, any attempts to work with Pakastani Intelligence is a joke.

any attempts to work with Pakastani Intelligence is a joke.

Any attempt to work with the Americans, is a joke.

Perpetual back-stabbers.

Pakastini

Amreekan

Rcade, I hate to make you rich, but if you collect every tosser post from this thread and print them in a coffee table photo book....MAN! The NYT and Forward would almost require their faithful to buy it.
All I ask in return is that you donate a small portion of the profits to Our Lady of Guadalupe Church in Austin. Deal?

Okay thanks yaar; I resent validation a couple of times and now I can at least see the forums now; I just can't reply is all/no friending or viewing people's profile.

These guys are falling a lot faster than I expected.

This is guerilla warfare.

They've run away to fight another day. We haven't killed any body even in the hundreds.

And just because we control territory doesn't mean its over.

Here's what a Russian analyst said about the British problems in the Second Anglo-Afghan War of 1878: 'English commanders understood that that they had not gained possession of all of those strips of country over which the troops had passed, but only of the actual ground on which their forces were encamped'.

The Militants are using several doors east, west, north and south of the battleground. The Current military operation will secure major towns and main roads. The cost will depend on the will of the militants to fight. Foreign fighters will probably take a stand as only death awaits them wherever they go from Waziristan. Even if liquidation of all foreign fighters is achieved, in the kind of terrain our guys are operating in, we can consider this as an acceptable military success.

The problem is; they're running away from the fight and aren't being killed.

YS 1? It sounds as if you prefer being separate from civilized nations. You sound PROUD to be divorced from societies (other than yours) that have advanced humanity. Fine by me....I just want you and tosspot to see yourselves as we see you.
What invention has Pakistan made in the last century that has made life easier, more enjoyable for all mankind? Your men are so detained they have to travel to other countries to see a naked woman! Pathetic.

They've run away to fight another day. We haven't killed any body even in the hundreds.

We have killed over 60 the first day, 28 the next day, and then we lost count.

I think it's in the hundreds by now.

However we estimated them to be around 10,000-15,000 regulars and over 20,000 more supporters.

So, yes, quite a lot of them left.

And yes, like I said before, A LOT OF THEM will run into Afghanistan.

And just because we control territory doesn't mean its over.

No, it's never quite "over".

The problem is; they're running away from the fight and aren't being killed.

Many are being killed. However are more running away than being killed? Don't know... probably yes.

Area denial, is one of the goals, though.

After that, we will see strategy evolve further to the taliban's permanent detriment.

10-20,000 fleeing Taliban should be easy to spot from infrared and high def satellites.

Moslem males: always wondering what a naked women looks like.....

What invention has Pakistan made in the last century that has made life easier, more enjoyable for all mankind?

Anti-Cancer medication, for one. We hold the manufacturing patents.

As for America... it's most important stuff has been created by immigrants.

3 generations in the US, and the brilliant immigrants turn into blithering idiots. LOL

Your men are so detained they have to travel to other countries to see a naked woman!

You have obviously not run into Pakistani porno... hahahahahaha

Moslem males: always wondering what a naked women looks like.....

We are not your kind of Christian Fundos, mate.

10-20,000 fleeing Taliban should be easy to spot from infrared and high def satellites.

In that area? No.

but if you collect every tosser post from this thread and print them in a coffee table photo book....MAN! The NYT and Forward would almost require their faithful to buy it.

Yeah RCADE.... do that but give me half the money, not to this buffoon's "church". Thanks.

I resent validation a couple of times and now I can at least see the forums now; I just can't reply is all/no friending or viewing people's profile.

Did you see the post I made in the Suggestions area?

And what do you mean, you are in, but can't reply? I never came across THAT problem.... have no idea how to fix it either.

Can you make a new post?

YS is right... just saw this.

They are fighting amongst themselves and going AWOL from the taliban gangs. LOL

I was wondering why they are going down faster than expected... this is why. They are fighting amongst themselves!

"They are cutting their hair and trimming their beards to blend into the population"

Their headquarters has been taken.

Meanwhile in Afghanistan, with the Americans....

Did you see the post I made in the Suggestions area?

Yes. I can even see the screen capture. You've written about the problem, posted my screen cap, then thiis guy asks about account validation and you say you'll mention it.

Can you make a new post

Thats the problem; I can't post. When I click the reply or new topic button that same error screen page comes up.

So I can see what's written; at least thats progress. What to do next?

.... do that but give me half the money, not to this buffoon's "church". Thanks.

Posted by Tosser at 2009-10-25 02:45 AM

Hey, send my "church" that half the money he gives you and, while my "church" probably won't be able to find you 72 virgins (they're in short supply), I'm sure I can come up with 72 blondes I know you'll like. LOL

As you can see, the Americans have earned zero trust of the locals.

On the other hand, the PakArmy is main-lining intel from the locals, because we have their trust.

It's the American attitude (to everything) that makes people not cooperate with them.

Otherwise, as we have seen, for all their sound and fury, the taliban are not that tough. You just hit them in the right spot... and not too hard even... and they start fighting amongst themselves and they desert their units. LOL

Why couldn't America do in 8 years, what PakArmy just did in one week???

Because they hate the locals, even those on their side. And the locals picked up on that "I am American so I hate you" vibe and won't cooperate.

I'm sure I can come up with 72 blondes I know you'll like.

Why stop at 72?

We can't let people think you are cheap, now do we?

Keep sending until I say "when".

virgins

Being virgin is not a requirement. Having a filthy mind, is.

They should also not be skinny. I absolutely dislike skinny wemin.

Thanks.

"As you can see, the Americans have earned zero trust of the locals.

On the other hand, the PakArmy is main-lining intel from the locals, because we have their trust."

Gee, ya think maybe because you are Muslim next door neighbors who speak the language has anything to do with it?

Gee, ya think maybe because you are Muslim next door neighbors who speak the language has anything to do with it?

Something along those lines maybe.

But then again Afghanistan waaay back in the 1940's was the only country to vote against our acceptance into the UN.

So neighbourhood relations are...complicated.

"They should also not be skinny. I absolutely dislike skinny wemin.

Thanks.

#110 | Posted by Tosser"

Tosser, I'm gonna love you up, baby! Yum!

maybe because you are Muslim next door neighbors

If that is true, why didn't the US bring in their Arab allies to police the areas? Arabs always say "yes sir" to the US.

I am sure you could've found some muslim army units in 8 years.

Tosser, I'm gonna love you up, baby! Yum!

I don't do "fat" either.

I do plump-ish.... or "healthy"... or "corn fed"... or "wholesome".

Both, Fatso and Miss America types are a no-no.

I am sure you could've found some muslim army units in 8 years.

I saw a show on these mercenaries in Afghanistan (also known as "civilian contractors") and was struck by how all of them are White. Even from South Africa... old Afrikaners.

It's pretty much, white-guy beats up on Afghans, that's going on in there.

Not one guy from any other Muslim country.

If that is true, why didn't the US bring in their Arab allies to police the areas? Arabs always say "yes sir" to the US.

I am sure you could've found some muslim army units in 8 years.

Posted by Tosser

Bush turned down every such offer when we were hit 9/11. Continued to.

Watch this on mercenaries.

Bush turned down every such offer when we were hit 9/11.

And that is costing you dearly.

Is Obama smart enough to fix this problem?

No, he's not.

Still waiting for the list of Pakistani inventions......

Tosser

We had all kinds of offers from friendly Arab countries to help before we went into Afghanistan. Bush said 'no!'. I'm with you 100%. Iraq screwed the pooch on friendly Arab countries helping us out. Not after Iraq we won't get help.

Still waiting for the list of Pakistani inventions......

You were answered in post 99. Scroll up.

To answer you further, we invented a weapon called "taliban" which the Americans are useless against. LOL

And that is costing you dearly.

Is Obama smart enough to fix this problem?

No, he's not.

#119 | Posted by Tosser

That's your opinion in such a short time....

He graduated Magna Cum Laude from a top 10 universities here and was President of the Harvard Law Review. Very intelligent, thoughtful, pragmatic. and wise enough to seek council from people in the know. He isn't a macho rash cowboy like Bush.

Not after Iraq we won't get help.

Well, I am sick of Americans saying how great this Obama is and how many great speeches this guy has done to make the muslim world forgive and forget any and all perceived insults and how we are all buddies again...

So it should be easy enough for the Great Obama to rustle up a muslim posse from somewhere.

That's your opinion in such a short time....

I am pretty good at judging people in seconds.

Part of my training (bouncer/security-guy).

No one would expect the Muslim world to wipe away 8 years of George W Bush in 9 months. We're aware of how much damage he did. Obama didn't insult you, he's reaching out fully aware of perceptions since W. Maybe you'll get over it. Hope you do.

(bouncer/security-guy).

That's good enough for me,hahaha

rustle up a muslim posse from somewhere

Thats been recommended.

As Churchill said, "You can always count on Americans to do the right thing, after all other options have been exhausted"

As I believe Gwynne Dyer, Arnaud De Borchgrave, Old Yahoodi and a lot of people who know about the world recommended it.

A lot of people recommend the Turks for the job. I would prefer the Malaysians and the Bangladeshis. Turks are a little "too" close. But nice people.

to be around 10,000-15,000 regulars and over 20,000 more supporters.

The local Mehsud and Waziris yeah we can convince, but the problem is the Uzbeks, Arabs, Chechens, foreign fighters, etc. They've been using Mehsud territory to gain influence in Pakistan. If the Mehsud network is subdued they'll just turn to the other networks in the area.

A LOT OF THEM will run into Afghanistan

Yeah; but a lot of them will head to their ancestral villages or follow family/kinship networks into the cities for shelter. Maybe to reconstitute.

Many are being killed. However are more running away than being killed? Don't know... probably yes.

Are they running away to go find an honest job?
Or are they running away to fight another day?

Area denial, is one of the goals, though.

Yeah...thats where it gets tricky. If I were on pdf more would come out. Thats why if we can expedite that it would be great.

You do know that we made a few deals to get into South Waziristan? We did some diplomacy with the Mehsuds neighbours in SWA and NWA. Before these guys run to fight in Afghanistan; or give training to people in Pakistan's cities or countrysides - they will have the optiion of hiding out with Nazir Ahmad's group or even more dangerous, with Hafiz Gul Bahadur's men. These two groups can slowly be sucked into the fight. The people from TTP can use these guys as cover to begin a guerilla war. That can slowly lead to being sucked into a three front fight throughout the Waziristans with all three of the major groups, as opposed to just the Mehsud TTP.

After that, we will see strategy evolve further to the taliban's permanent detriment.

I hope so. Because its not just the Mehsud TTP thats hosting foreigners. Its only hosting the foreigners intent on fighting in Pakistan. The other groups are hosting non-Pakistani hard-core Muslims as well. Presently those guys try to be quiet inside Pakistan. You know theres no guarantee on that.

I am pretty good at judging people in seconds.

Part of my training (bouncer/security-guy).

#125 | Posted by Tosser

Oh, OK Well then ..... lol

and a lot of people who know about the world recommended it.

The Pakistani media recommended it first.

All the rest of the people you mentioned, just copied us.

"A lot of people recommend the Turks for the job. I would prefer the Malaysians and the Bangladeshis."

Makes sense. Let's hope something like that happens. We know Bush turned the moderate Arab/Muslim world against us. I hope we can turn that around. We're trying our hardest, but logic says 8 years cannot be undone in 9 months...

Uzbeks, Arabs, Chechens, foreign fighters, etc

Ah... THOSE guys are not running away. THEY are dying.

We got reports of many Uzbeks getting killed the first day.

Are they running away to go find an honest job?

Who knows?

The chief taliban in Swat used to be a chair-lift operator. His sidekick (now dead) worked in a bakery. Other sidekick (also dead) used to work at a petrol pump... squeegee-guy. LOL

Oh, OK Well then ..... lol

I'm not a pro... just did that for a while for free... but I am good at it.

What do my "bouncer" senses tell me about Obama?

Nothing good.

He will never make trouble himself like Bush did. He will make it seem like others are doing it.

He has "weasel" written on his forehead.

These two groups can slowly be sucked into the fight.

As long as they come at you one at a time, all will be well.

That is what our peace deals have done.

Tosser and YS_

Turkey's in NATO. Afghanistan's a NATO operation.

Incidentally, I read about this approach being what the U.S. would like to achieve on a large scale. If you have time, please read and tell us what you think. Be curious on your thoughts .... thanks!

We're aware of how much damage he did.

Thank You.

Obama didn't insult you, he's reaching out fully aware of perceptions since W.

Umm Timex, would it be rude to point out that the tone of your sentence seems like you think Muslims are a bunch of special needs people when it comes to hostility to American government actions. We're not a retarded people. Its nice not to be threatened but I must admit that if you think that Mr Obama speaking in polite tones will make people who take the decisions change their mind over American policy, then I must say that you are playing into the Republican trope that "Obama expects the world wll be charmed by his personality". Charm and politeness are nice, but they are only the cover of the book. The book itself must have worthwhile content for it to be applauded.

Mr Obama has proven himself to currently be "content light".

Maybe you'll get over it. Hope you do.

Timex you may like charm; but the president of the US is not your best mate. Neither is he mine. He's a politician who's got to make some hard headed decisions.

And relating to the content of this discussion board (Is McChrystal a piece of shit?) I think the verdict has to be applied that he is a piece of shit because whilst Obama is trying to actually "look" at the problem of Afghanistan and come up with some "Shit or Get Off the Pot" solution; McChrystal is trying to continue the Petraues plan of trying to chase anybody who so much as burps against America, even if in the process they destabilise as many countries as it takes.

In short, McChrystal is a piece of shit, because he is taking advantage of the time lag in decision making process, is not waiting for the proper orders from his commander in chief, and using that time lag to go through with a series of plans that have not been approved by the new command in the White House.

We're aware of how much damage he did.

Thank You.

Obama didn't insult you, he's reaching out fully aware of perceptions since W.

Umm Timex, would it be rude to point out that the tone of your sentence seems like you think Muslims are a bunch of special needs people when it comes to hostility to American government actions. We're not a retarded people. Its nice not to be threatened but I must admit that if you think that Mr Obama speaking in polite tones will make people who take the decisions change their mind over American policy, then I must say that you are playing into the Republican trope that "Obama expects the world wll be charmed by his personality". Charm and politeness are nice, but they are only the cover of the book. The book itself must have worthwhile content for it to be applauded.

Mr Obama has proven himself to currently be "content light".

Maybe you'll get over it. Hope you do.

Timex you may like charm; but the president of the US is not your best mate. Neither is he mine. He's a politician who's got to make some hard headed decisions.

And relating to the content of this discussion board (Is McChrystal a piece of shit?) I think the verdict has to be applied that he is a piece of shit because whilst Obama is trying to actually "look" at the problem of Afghanistan and come up with some "Shit or Get Off the Pot" solution; McChrystal is trying to continue the Petraues plan of trying to chase anybody who so much as burps against America, even if in the process they destabilise as many countries as it takes.

In short, McChrystal is a piece of shit, because he is taking advantage of the time lag in decision making process, is not waiting for the proper orders from his commander in chief, and using that time lag to go through with a series of plans that have not been approved by the new command in the White House.

YS_1

Very good posts always! Informative, intelligent. Without Tosser's anti-American BS. We need to get along! Thanks.

we maybe thick YS1,but we get it on one post,lol

If you have time, please read and tell us what you think. Be curious on your thoughts .... thanks!

www.sltrib.com

Your article is written by an Indian

"By Rajiv Chandrasekaran"

Automatically disregarded and will not read it since I'm sure it's half-truth garbage.

YS_1

Check out #136

I linked an article. To me it sounds like a good approach on a local level. If you have time ....

No one with a mind can fail to know Bush pissed off the world. I'd be pissed as hell too if I saw children being blown up by U.S. weapons and chaos in the streets as we saw in Iraq year after year. I know the U.S. hasn't always acted militarily as they should, but by God, we've also helped a lot of people through non-military means and continue to do so. So, it's a mixed bag.

Diss Obama all you want. I'll take him any day of the week over the asshole we just got rid of.

Without Tosser's anti-American BS.

I am Pak right-wing. Extreme right-wing, thank you.

YS, is Pak left-wing... a liberal. LOL

Perhaps that is the difference you are picking up on.

our article is written by an Indian

"By Rajiv Chandrasekaran"

Automatically disregarded and will not read it since I'm sure it's half-truth garbage.

#141 | Posted by Tosser

Tosser, he's a reporter for the Washington Post writing about a humanitarian/security/military effort being tried in Helmand Province. If you can't get past your prejudice and read it I can't take you seriously at all ever again.

Turkey's in NATO.

Yeah, thats why I said Bangladeshis or Malaysians may be better. Who knows.

Afghanistan's a NATO operation.

Iffy statement. They needed a unified command long ago. It had to happen; now the problem (one among many) too many cooks have spoiled the broth.

Tosser, he's a reporter for the Washington Post

Indian name.

Washington Post, garbage American media.

Disregard, will not read.

If you can't get past your prejudice

Not can't. Won't.

I can't take you seriously at all ever again.

No problem.

Rajiv Chandrasekaran

I know about this Chandrasekaran dude. Very (cough, cough) supportive of the American mission. Not as horrible a guy as Ahmed Rashid. That guy takes the cake.

First its US marines, not Turks, so even the Muslim country idea is not the sturdiest. Plus they should only be there long enough for the Afghan gov to get on its feet/not occupy.

Useless to copy what he says because he buries it deep in the article that the part of Helmand their in already has a stable social/tribal structure.

Chandrasekaran is part of the group of people who really fervently "believe in the mission". Whether that mission is designated as occupying Afghanistan or as the (cough) mission to spread Christ's word, he's from "that" trusting mold of reporter.

I know about this Chandrasekaran dude. Very (cough, cough) supportive of the American mission.

I know of him too.

Regular American brown-noser (what do you expect from an Indian? LOL). One of those "embedded media" stooges.

His stories are outright lies and should be part of "Alice in Wonderland".

"Iffy statement. They needed a unified command long ago. It had to happen; now the problem (one among many) too many cooks have spoiled the broth." - YS_1

8 years of arrogance will take a lot to overcome

Tosser

America befriended and helped our arch enemies rebuild their countries. Now we're allies. You're obviously a very narrow minded, prejudiced person. The biggest problems facing the world regarding conflict resolutions are rooted in exactly the attitude you exemplify.

Chandrasekaran is part of the group of people who really fervently "believe in the mission". Whether that mission is designated as occupying Afghanistan or as the (cough) mission to spread Christ's word, he's from "that" trusting mold of reporter.

You are being very polite "cough cough). LOL

I am not so polite.

The man is an Indian. He is a stooge and a tool.

And the stories he writes, perpetuates the American Govt. lies that all is well.

THAT gets more of your people killed.

Plus they should only be there long enough for the Afghan gov to get on its feet

That is what makes it difficult for Obama,What govt,The elections were so botched.We like to think along the lines of elected govt.We'll see what happens on the rematch.Course cheating seems to be the norm.

YS

So just because he's Indian what he wrote about is all BS? If his name had been 'Sheik' it'd be OK to take him seriously? Wow! cough cough. I didn't see an ounce of hyperbole or prejudice reading it .... just straight reporting. This conversation is a circle jerk of prejudice from you two evidently.

You're obviously a very narrow minded, prejudiced person.

How can that be? I am not American. LOL

The biggest problems facing the world regarding conflict resolutions are rooted in exactly the attitude you exemplify.

Tell the Indians to stop stealing Pakistan's water.

And tell them to stop sending in armed fake "taliban" into Pakistan.

Then tell me to stop my prejudice.

You clearly are much too coddled to realize how harsh a world it is out there.

Your "conflict resolutions" are for you white people who don't know how to fight anyway. LOL

Indian,Pakistani

Has alot to do with where they drew the line.
Or do you mean Hindu or Moslem Tosser.

Didn't win any points around here or anywhere else by calling yourself extreme right wing.

Extreme being the key word

You are being very polite

Spoonful of sugar..etc, etc.

That is what our peace deals have done

Yup.

As long as they come at you one at a time

So you understand that we'll eventually go after them?

Or as likely, they'll try to do something instigatory.

Pak left-wing... a liberal

Try Reality Based bro.

Pakistani Liberal=American Conservative.

Do Not Want.

I like history. Thats what I use to judge a situation. Liberal/Conservative ain't got nothing to do with it. Those are distractions.

So just because he's Indian what he wrote about is all BS?

Yes, my dear.

Indians ...even when working for their American master... have a spin.

Google for it. You will get to pick it out after reading a few hundred Indian articles at random.

Go on. See for yourself. LOL

If his name had been 'Sheik' it'd be OK to take him seriously?

I'm sorry, we don't read Arabic either.

This conversation is a circle jerk of prejudice from you two evidently.

You are the one guilty of prejudice. Whoever doesn't agree with your "Mister Rodger's Neighborhood" view of the world is "prejudiced". LOL

Didn't win any points around here or anywhere else by calling yourself extreme right wing.

That's Pakistani extreme right-wing.

Is more like American liberal, with teeth.

Pakistani Liberal=American Conservative

That's Pakistani extreme right-wing.
Is more like American liberal, with teeth.

now I understand?

So just because he's Indian what he wrote about is all BS?

No its because he cant get the fucking twinkle out of his writing's eye when he talks about the US military.

If his name had been 'Sheik' it'd be OK to take him seriously?

Did you, or did you not read me fucking call Ahmed Rashid a bigger shit than Chandra-Boy?

I didn't see an ounce of hyperbole or prejudice reading it .... just straight reporting.

Six Words for you:

Imperial
Life
In
The
Emerald
City

This motherfucker stuck himself inside the green Zone for years and wrote an entire book on the centre of US occupation in Iraq.

The subtitle is "Inside Iraq's Green Zone"

How embedded do you have to be man?

This conversation is a circle jerk of prejudice from you two evidently.

No; this is a lesson to you to stop trusting the dying institution that is the American newspaper. Go read something British. Any newspaper that says it is having money troubles, very likely sucked up to the invasion of Iraq, lobotomised its brain and turned its readers permanently off.

Chandrasekharan is part of that dying breed.

One of those "embedded media" stooges

Exactly.

now I understand?

With teeth AND claws. LOL

Bascially, Pakistani right-wing and left-wing might differ on domestic politics.

However we think the same when it comes to external issues.

You will see YS and myself more or less on the same page as far as international issues are concerned.

That is the difference between Pak right and left wing and American right and left wing.

or did you not read me fucking call Ahmed Rashid a bigger shit than Chandra-Boy?

It obviously passed over his head. LOL

a few hundred Indian articles

We've read several hundred or may be a few thousand by now written by Indians. Whether in America or in India, if they're name is unknown outside their newspaper writings, they will have a spin.

No; this is a lesson to you to stop trusting the dying institution that is the American newspaper. Go read something British. Any newspaper that says it is having money troubles, very likely sucked up to the invasion of Iraq, lobotomised its brain and turned its readers permanently off.

Yeah, dammit.

Your stupid American newspapers are going broke for a reason.

They lied too much.

If you want to act like a dope, go keep wasting your time on them.

We've read several hundred or may be a few thousand by now written by Indians. Whether in America or in India, if they're name is unknown outside their newspaper writings, they will have a spin.

YS, these Americans will never believe us.

That's why they will keep getting killed in places like Afghanistan.

Oh well... we tried to warn them... as always.

Your "conflict resolutions" are for you white people who don't know how to fight anyway. LOL

#154 | POSTED BY TOSSER

For once I agree. The people making the decisions are too soft. First thing I would do is take captured Taliban members and chain them up in the town square and light them on fire. I would keep doing it to send a message they will die a painful death. As they ratchet up the violence so will we. If this isn't enough to persuade them to stop we go after their family members. Public humiliation and torture should get compliance. Finally if that doesn't work we start gassing a massive gassing campaign. I would go back to old school blistering agents. That way they don't die immediately but are forced to suffer for their trespasses.

Your stupid American newspapers are going broke for a reason.

Asia Times for me from now on.

American newspapers are going broke along with everything else we try to do.Can't beat our bankers though.

The U.S. has the third largest number of Pakistanis outside Pakistan - 600,000 at least. I know many myself. 98% of Americans look at immigrants as neighbors and Americans. America is the melting pot of the world. We take all who seek freedom and peace to raise their families, and respect all people's rights to worship whom they please. Do you?

Your kind of attitude, Tosser, will keep the India/Pakistan conflict raging for generations.

Thank your lucky stars the U.S. is in your corner. You're 200 million living next to 1.5 billion Indians. You'll be crying for our help if they ever come pouring over the border. We've gotten in the middle of many prior conflicts and prevented that from happening by getting people unlike you to the table to talk. Don't for a second think you've done it on your own.

Yes, America has made mistakes, but the good we've done in this world far exceeds this or that military conflict. We freed the world from tyranny a couple of times. We've poured untold billions into countries spread far and wide so people can have clean water, food, shelter, education, and the list goes on. We've shed blood to bring peace and stability in every corner of the world, George W Bush aside.

Pakistan has received a lot of help from America, and you're what we get for it? F**k that!! Let India have you if that's the way you feel.

Asia Times

Aren't we just suspecting that Asia Times is crazy?

And Believe me brother, the Toronto Star and Globe and Mail are certainly good. They're not the ones going broke ;-)

We take all who seek freedom and peace to raise their families,

Well you do have to wait in line

YS

You're being intellectually dishonest as well. It's a straight story on what the U.S. is trying in Helmand. If you're all that prejudiced against anyone and everyone good luck to you.

American papers are dying because of the internet. 99% of people have broadband access so they read online. Can't say that about too many other non-Western countries, can you?

Translation Post #169 - America Is Great And HOW DARE YOU NOT WORSHIP OUR VERY FEET INGRATEFUL BROWN MAN.

Excuse me sir, Your Neurosis is Showing.

99% of people have broadband access so they read online

Very true,I used to buy the NYT everyday

YS and Tosser

#169 - My thoughts. Good night to you.

America Is Great And HOW DARE YOU NOT WORSHIP OUR VERY FEET INGRATEFUL BROWN MAN.

there you go,and its ungrateful.

Just kidding,Americans are arrogant,but some love an honest critism.

We're all having fun right.

Translation Post #169 - America Is Great And HOW DARE YOU NOT WORSHIP OUR VERY FEET INGRATEFUL BROWN MAN.

To suggest you not be so damned prejudiced and narrow minded is to suggest that? BS. You're a couple little twerps who won't grow up and are full of false bravado. It has nothing to do with your skin color. You're just closed minded assholes.

You're being intellectually dishonest as well.

As is Chandrashekaran by never once mentioning that the Afghans didn't ask for the Americans to move into Helmand. The US invited itself.

It's a straight story on what the U.S. is trying in Helmand

Which is great, but its written by someone who's on the fucking edge of shill-dom.

American papers are dying because of the internet

British papers aren't dying. Canadian papers aren't dying. Can't say we've heard much from google about German or Scandinavian papers demise either.

99% of people have broadband access so they read online

These were all first world countries, with one glaring North American sized exception.

Can't say that about too many other non-Western countries, can you?

Ah yes, the great unwashed non-west. Well then fuck you and the paper you rode in on :-)
When you try and bring that little twist, then I can see why you bought that little twist about me being "intellectually" dishonest; you're projecting because you're intellectually dishonest, trying to change the topic of argument from American newspapers to "How Great Is Amereeeka!", and "How Not Great Is Your Non-Amereeka!"

Very cute. Now grow the fuck up.

We're all having fun right.

We are :-D

glad,goodnight

By the way, I've had Pakistani friends my whole life. Pakistanis live in my neighborhood. So do Indians, Kurds, Iranians, Mexicans, Spainards, Greeks, Irish, German, English, Brazilians, and Caribbean islanders. I doubt I'd be as welcome in your country as they are here based on your views. We're a melting pot. Can you say that? Don't ever preach to an American about prejudice. We have our wackos who sound like you do. 99% of us are darned good people to anyone who treats us the same ... regardless of their skin color.

They say history repeats itself as both tragedy and farce. Considering how Timex is going on about the wonderfulness of her/his own country I thought we might go in the past and dig this minor convo out:

#193 | Posted by Tosser at 2009-10-17 07:08 AM

Well, since the Americans who open their mouths in this country are so fond of reminding us, that "America is a democracy, the best in the world... better than everyone else... the Govt represents the people and what they want", I would take them at their word.

Of course, I know how the elected elite cheat and steal elections and how shameless the law-makers are... just like law-makers and politicians everywhere.

But there does seem to be a lack of healthy anti-Govt skepticism amongst Americans in general. Meaning, they support their Govt. without question, most of them. You can see these idiots on DR all the time.

Compare that to Pakistan, where YS and myself and everyone else here, knows the worms we elect are worms and cockroaches. We are under no illusions.

#201 | Posted by YS_1 at 2009-10-17 11:02 AM

worms we elect are worms and cockroaches

Which doesn't mean that we exterminate them.

The purpose of Worms and Cockroaches is to break down dung into useful nutrients for healthy plants to grow.

As with politicians. What that means is that we leave them in their designated space, and if they try and invade our personal privacy, we shoo (not kill) them away.

preach to an American about prejudice

Prejudice? What the Fark?

I'm preaching about newspapers and they're going down the drain? And you're worried about prejudice.

Wow. Strange people.

YS

I'm saying you're full of s**t because you won't read a newspaper article by an Indian. How small can a human being be? My comment about newspapers is true and has nothing to do with you being Pakistani or Martian. Internet is killing newspapers everywhere internet is widely used. The truth.

Beat yourself with a hammer for all I care. You're a very small person the world could use less of. We'd have more peace. In the time since Pakistan was formed, the U.S. made up with our arch enemies and then rebuilt their countries. You're still butting heads with India because, and only because of people like you and Tosser. Good luck boys!!

But there does seem to be a lack of healthy anti-Govt skepticism amongst Americans in general.

Well one more thing before I go to bed.

Lack of healthy anti govt skepticism.We've gone so far as unhealthy anti govt skepticism.We'll stand together on a front(kinda).But we pretty much can't move forward an inch on any subject.(not to be seen as weakness)

"Prejudice? What the Fark?"

Ya, you won't read an article because of prejudice. Look up the definition. Seems you need to. Encompasses more than race. "Pre judge". You and Tosser have pre-judged America's new President and our new goals in Afghanistan - to bring security and humanity to Afghanistan's people. We're spending lives and treasure to do that. We're also helping you root out your own home grown (and foreign) troublemakers in your midst. Why you choose to be so insulting about America is beyond me. Bet you've never been here, have you? "Pre-judge" = prejudice.

If I've been harsh, I apologize. Tosser throws around anti-American words like a baby with his cereal, and you've joined the fray. I am NOT dissing Pakistan or brown or yellow or green people one bit. I'm dissing your narrow minded prejudice. Undeserved in this American's view. I didn't like what Bush did. But, we're far more than one man or one war. If you're lucky you can be friend's with an Indian one day and not have to worry your children will die in a war that may come yet. Starts with you. It's up to you whether you can open your mind or remain 'prejudiced' and 'pre-judge' everything and everybody.

I appreciate you in depth stories about Waziristan. Good stuff. The rest I can do without. If you want Afghanistan to fall into chaos I couldn't understand why at all. Now, work with us to help that region's innocents have a decent life or hit your head with a hammer, which will be just as useful if you choose not to be a participant who adds something good to the world.

you won't read a newspaper article by an Indian

Oh I'll read it. Its always good to know what everybody is saying.

Just don't expect me to believe Chandra-boy.

My comment about newspapers is true

Oh Rly? Then why not in Britain or Canada, why only in the US is the internet taking the place of the American Newspaper; but the British Newspaper and the Canadian Newspapers go strong?

Its because the US newspapers have been making themselves irrelevant. They have supprted policies that ruined themselves in the long term.

has nothing to do with you being Pakistani or Martian

Why are you the one bringing up me being Pakistani or the ideas of prejudice? Are you worried about something? LOL

Internet is killing newspapers everywhere internet is widely used
Only in America! Deutschland Uber Alles, Rule Britannia and O Canada!

You and Tosser have pre-judged America's new President and our new goals in Afghanistan

Old wine in new bottle. LOL

We're also helping you root out your own home grown (and foreign) troublemakers in your midst.

YOU are NOT helping.

AT ALL.

Scroll up and read posts 77 and 78.

Why you choose to be so insulting about America is beyond me.

Because we can see through you and your lies.

Simple.

you won't read an article because of prejudice

Oh I'll read what Chandrasekharan has written. Just puh-lease don't expect me to swallow hook, line and sinker every word that an embed reporter says. Judgement is necessary. And the judgement of Chandrasekharan's history has not been good.

pre-judged America's new President and our new goals in Afghanistan

Alright, I'm giving you my ear....

to bring security and humanity to Afghanistan's people

ARE...YOU...SERIOUS????

Timex, have you been sucking your thumb since 9/11. I'm not being mean here; but didn't you guys come to af-stan to get revenge for those twin towers collapsey thingy.

And now that you can't find the ringleaders, you're trying to work out some nicey nicey relationsip with the locals?

Timex, answer me one question:

Do you sincerely believe that you're in Afghanistan to "bring security and humanity to Afghanistan's people"?

I'm dissing your narrow minded prejudice.

Nope. You dissed Pakistan.

You'll be crying for our help if they ever come pouring over the border.

We will be crying for YOUR help?

You can't even help yourself... how will you help anyone else?

LOL

Don't for a second think you've done it on your own.

No, we did everything on our own.

YS and Tosser

By the way, my family were immigrants to America. I might even be brown. Doesn't matter to me if you're purple. I hope Pakistan and India and Afghanistan can live side by side one day without the threat of war on your minds ... That would be something, wouldn't it? It's happened. But it took one person at a time opening their minds for that to happen in other places. I hope you have a good day. Later. :)

Do you sincerely believe that you're in Afghanistan to "bring security and humanity to Afghanistan's people"?

I think he's really stupid enough to have fallen for that line. LOL

I might even be brown.

You might even be Indian.

Which might explain your extreme reaction to us not reading your recommended tripe.

Timex, I don't care about anything else answer the question;

Do you sincerely believe that you're in Afghanistan to bring security and humanity to Afghanistan's people?

without the threat of war on your minds ... That would be something, wouldn't it?

There is NO threat of war against Pakistan.

Not from India and not from anyone else.

And yes, the feeling of peace is nice.

All thanks to our nukes and missiles.

"You can't even help yourself... how will you help anyone else?"

We've always landed on our feet when we're not alright and gotten even better in the long run. Good night Tosser.

Timex, do you believe that you're in Afghanistan to bring security and humanity to Afghanistan's people?

We've always landed on our feet

Then how about showing us all how you land on your feet in Afghanistan? LOL

It's been over 8 years and you are still rolling on your backs.

And answer YS's question you little disingenuous coward.

Now, work with us to help that region's innocents have a decent life or hit your head with a hammer

Why would we hit our head with a hammer when you are doing that party trick on yourself already? LOL

So I've asked three times.

I don't need an answer from Timex - the poor kid's hung himself with his own words.

Internet is killing newspapers everywhere internet is widely used

WTF?

LOL... mister, in other countries with great internet, the newspapers ARE NOT dying.

Only in America.

In Pakistan, with one of the highest internet growth rates in the world, the newspapers are NOT dying.

Only in America.

Why?

Because even Americans realize how they were fooled over Iraq and how they are always being lied to.

The cracks finally show.

I don't need an answer from Timex - the poor kid's hung himself with his own words.

It's clear he is brainwashed by American Govt and media and swallows their nonsense whole.

Useless.

It's terribly rude to talk in different language than the people in the room.

Larry

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Somebody once called yahoo answers the dampest crevice of stupidity the internet has ever seen. I think DR may not be the wettest or the deepest pit of dumb on the interwebs, but by God, it is humid and the elevation is negative.

If you're lucky you can be friend's with an Indian one day and not have to worry your children will die in a war that may come yet. Starts with you.

If you're lucky you can be friend's with a Muslim one day and not have to worry about your children.

Starts with you.

It is America that has to let go of it's hang-ups and hate, since YOU are the one at war.

Pakistan is not at war with anyone. SO whatever hang-ups we might have, do not matter.

@ toss

so yeah, what to do about pdf? I wrote some stuff on #106.

It's terribly rude to talk in different language than the people in the room.

It is terribly rude to come into a room without knocking first.

so yeah, what to do about pdf? I wrote some stuff on #106.

I have absolutely no idea.....

Try using a proxy and see if it works then? I have heard pretty bad stuff about Canadian internet.

Since I leave the Drudge Retort logged onto My computer screen 24/7 it's like I never leave just take naps. So do try again tosser.

I have heard pretty bad stuff about Canadian internet

Its been nothing but Bliss for me!

Could you put the last part up on the error page? Simply that

I can see what's written; I can't post. When I click the reply or new topic button that same error screen page comes up.

Maybe somebody could recommend something.

heard pretty bad stuff about Canadian internet

Strange. Like what?

Strange. Like what?

Like them throttling your bandwidth if they think you are using torrents.

And I will put your message up... a few minutes.

"Do you sincerely believe that you're in Afghanistan to bring security and humanity to Afghanistan's people?"

I think we have a shot at that....now. The mission must be different though. I'm not a pessimist. But, if we're going to stay it has to have a goal beyond killing Taliban. That's a conundrum.

In Peru, the Shining Path (their Taliban) were defeated after 30 hard and bloody years .. not by guns, but by an effort to reform the country so people had opportunity. They turned against the Shining Path and today Peru is stable with economic opportunity available to most of their people for the first time since the Conquistadors arrived in the 1500's.

"If you're lucky you can be friend's with a Muslim one day and not have to worry about your children."

Way ahead of you, pal. Had Muslim friends since I was a teenager. What other preconceived notions do you have, Tosser?

Timex This whole Global War on Terrorism is nothing more than a smoke screen for a Resource War. Oil and natural Gas pipeline out of the caspian basin and the Iraq Oil war. It's not to bring democracy that was to placate us into going along with it.

Larry

Tosser, YS_1 is a pretty mature person. Take some lessons. I don't live on this website and will answer questions if and when I read them ... or not. You're like a windup toy that only has prerecorded things to say.

You could be right, Larry. I've learned 'never say never'. Still, I hope for good things for all people.

It's a dual effort, LAR. Democracies are generally much more stable and friendly toward America and free nations than a dictator would be.

So, yes, it's about the free flow of oil at market prices. It's also about stamping out or diminishing threats from those who'd do us harm... harm by killing us or by threatening our oil supply.

Why we don't drill here is beyond me.

At present there is no viable widespread, cost effective, politically correct alternative to oil. In time, there may be. The reality now is that we need oil. Lots of it.

If the choice is our spending mucho $$ and lives to fight overseas to bring oil back here OR exploring and drilling for domestic oil... which do libs detest least?

Frankly, nuclear power could be the solution. Again, can libs work with that?

We're hamstringing ourselves with the choices we make, IMO.

Tosser

"In Pakistan, with one of the highest internet growth rates in the world, the newspapers are NOT dying."

I'm glad for ya. Growth rate is a long way from 99% penetration, isn't it? Once 99% of Pakistanis have computers and broadband tell me how your newspapers are doing.

What were the Balkins? Wasn't over oil. We ended a decades long Muslim-Christian war.

So, yes, it's about the free flow of oil at market prices. It's also about stamping out or diminishing threats from those who'd do us harm... harm by killing us or by threatening our oil supply.

Why we don't drill here is beyond me.

At present there is no viable widespread, cost effective, politically correct alternative to oil. In time, there may be. The reality now is that we need oil. Lots of it.

If the choice is our spending mucho $$ and lives to fight overseas to bring oil back here OR exploring and drilling for domestic oil... which do libs detest least?

Frankly, nuclear power could be the solution. Again, can libs work with that?

We're hamstringing ourselves with the choices we make, IMO.

Posted by OohRah at 2009-10-25 06:36 AM | Reply

You keep that delusion about bringing democracy to Iraq and Afghanistan. You can't shove Democracy upon another. They have to want it from within. As far as You claiming that Iraqq and Afghanistan is part of our National Security regarding their natural resources is pure American arrogance at it's finest. We think we are the only ones entitled to make decisions regarding someone elses resources which only gets s into trouble BECAUSE WE HAVE NO RIGHTS TO IT. Oh and who died and made us King of the world?? WE HAVE NO RIGHTS TO SOMEONE ELSES RESOURCES. That's the same fucked up attitude TY Boone Pickens has. Why we don't drill more domestically?? Easy why trash Your own backyard when You can trash someone clear across the nation OR the world. As far as Nuclear Power as in Nuclear Powerplants. Gotta figure out how to do it SAFELY and what to do with the Nuclear Waste. We are our worst enemy. That is the Human Race. Because the Human Condition IS toxic after all.

Larry

Oh and OohRah i just love how every problem AMerica has as You see it rests with Liberals. That attitude is all fucked up ion spades OohRah. It's not all our fault You need to take ownership of Your parties responsibilies too. Which seems like harder than pulling Eye teeth but there You have it.

Larry

OohRah

Shoot, we were told we were invading Iraq to bring them democracy. You mean it was about oil?

I'm pro-nuclear power myself, but alternatives can and should be found in the coming years. We have enough domestic oil to last what, a year?

And then when they drill what guarantee is there the oil will stay here? We've heard that song before ...

I'm not saying we have a RIGHT to the oil. If we did and wanted to enforce that right, we'd go over and conquer a nation and TAKE it.

We're not.

Oil is what drive's the world's economy. The free flow of oil at market prices is what's at stake. When that flow is threatened it threatens not only America, but everyone... since we're in a global economy.

"And then when they drill what guarantee is there the oil will stay here? We've heard that song before ..." - TIM

Well, Obama's taken over other industries. Can "big oil" be far behind?

Seriously, there's the supply and demand issue at play. And if our foreign sources of oil are cut off, do you honestly think for a moment our oil companies wouldn't purposefully direct our domestic oil to the US? We need to buy it - can't get it elsewhere.... well, we have domestic companies producing domestic supplies... that's surely a better scenario than having virutally no domestic production and begging (or warring) to get oil.

"We have enough domestic oil to last what, a year?"

"I'm pro-nuclear power myself, but alternatives can and should be found in the coming years. We have enough domestic oil to last what, a year?" - TIM

I'm pro-nuclear as well. We also have lots of domestic oil... we have oily sand in the midwest, etc. But libs have put the brakes on exploration.

"We also have lots of domestic oil..."

bullshit

LAR-
Clearly the party holding back domestic oil production AND nuclear plant construction is the Democratic party. That a person could argue otherwise is inconceivable.

If you disagree, I'd sure like to know why.

And don't start with that sad tar sands crap. That's a net energy loser and a pollution catastrophe.

I'm not saying we have a RIGHT to the oil. If we did and wanted to enforce that right, we'd go over and conquer a nation and TAKE it.

We're not.

Oil is what drive's the world's economy. The free flow of oil at market prices is what's at stake. When that flow is threatened it threatens not only America, but everyone... since we're in a global economy.

Posted by OohRah at 2009-10-25 06:48 AM | Reply

Double speaking Republican

So, yes, it's about the free flow of oil at market prices. It's also about stamping out or diminishing threats from those who'd do us harm... harm by killing us or by threatening our oil supply.

#222 | Posted by OohRah at 2009-10-25 06:36 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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First You said You said that we didn't have a Right to the oil yety You claim in the previous post that it's Our oil. It's NOT our oil it's Iraqis that Dubya et al thought as well as You was theirs to take. This is the trouble with the United States. Someone else has resources we covet we think it's ours by birth right. It's not OohRah. If I thought You had something that I covetted should I go and kill Your Family to take it or to control it?? NO of course not. same thing at work here. Saddam Hussein like it or not had a right to use or not use His oil as He saw fit. He was the Head of State of Iraq after all. Whaty gives us the moral ethical and LEGAL right to think we can just waltz right in and take it. Oh and we have been taking it as far back as the invasion. What right do we have to it OohRah??

Larry

Oohrah:

"Well, Obama's taken over other industries. Can "big oil" be far behind?"

Oh, please! American auto manufacturers and oil companies are apples and oranges. Oil companies are multinational. They've never had any allegiance to America, nor do they employ any significant % of Americans.

Clearly the party holding back domestic oil production AND nuclear plant construction is the Democratic party. That a person could argue otherwise is inconceivable.

If you disagree, I'd sure like to know why.

#234 | Posted by OohRah at 2009-10-25 06:56 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Hunny don't give Me that G-d damned bullshit. Your republicans had the whole shebang for the past 6 Years sans 2007. You could have easily gotten around any democratic obstruction against Nuclear power. You had it all Senate The House The White House and the Supreme COurt and NOT once did Your Republicans move to get construction started. That's what I am talking about OohRah. You should be way smarter than Me by a long ways yet You can not figure this out nor come to terms with it. You had it all Baby yet You came up empty why???? I think I know why so You guys can use it as a fucking wedge issue during election times. Your Party has no intentions of doing otherwise.

Larry

It's best if we just stop trying to reason with the mentally deranged. Republicans have been hard at work trying to destroy America since 1980. Until the dems realize that republicans fall into one of two categories of corrupt or incompetent we will continue wasting our breaths and time talking to them. Coming to this blog to insult republicans is ok but if you are trying to talk sense into one of them you might as well be talking to a rock. Heck a rock can at least be a paperweight while republicans are useless.

"Clearly the party holding back domestic oil production AND nuclear plant construction is the Democratic party."

Nuclear plant construction is only held back by the power companies who don't want to spend money to build to stringent safety standards and safe disposal methods.

Oil companies have proven 100% that allowing drilling doesn't mean that oil will remain here for our use. It's a multinational market where it goes for who pays the most. Your talk is all GOP hocus pocus.

Tosser, YS_1 is a pretty mature person. Take some lessons.

I taught YS everything he knows.... LOL.. OK, I'm kidding.

But I know him since before Drudge Retort. And I said before, we are on the same page.

All you need to know is YOU have learnt nothing.

Once 99% of Pakistanis have computers and broadband tell me how your newspapers are doing.

European internet... specially like that in Scandinavian countries, is miles better than yours. Like they are going to make 100mb broadband a "birthright" of every citizen in Finland.

THEIR newspapers are NOT failing.

Why are yours?

Because you lie too much. So Americans go to the blogs to get their news. Where they get to meet me. And then they can't handle the truth and go crying back to momma. LOL

Timex: I might even be brown.

Tosser: You might even be Indian. Which might explain your extreme reaction to us not reading your recommended tripe.

Posted by Tosser
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Tosser

I will tell you I'm not Indian. I just have an adverse reaction to immature bigots such as yourself who won't read a newspaper article by an American reporter in a major newspaper because his last name indicates he's 'Indian'. Here, we call him an 'American'.

When you have 99% of Pakistanis with computers and broadband, come back and tell us how your newspapers are doing. 'Growth' doesn't mean squat in real terms regarding that line of argument. People who don't have internet buy most of the newspapers.

YS... mainay "suggestions" kay andar post kar diya hai.

immature bigots such as yourself

I told you, I am not an American.

Here, we call him an 'American'.

And here, we call him scum.

come back and tell us how your newspapers are doing.

I told you how European newspapers are doing. That's a better comparison, now isn't it?

#241 | Posted by Tosser

The difference between you and I is I'm willing to and you're not. You think you know all the answers before the questions are asked. The macho male ego knows no bounds ... and not much else. A closed mind is a waste.

Wow... what a reaction from Timex... just because we won't read his propaganda from a dying newspaper and stooge writer (one we know of pretty well).

Link to some better sources, silly boy. One we can believe.

I have said so before, I won't read something that is rubbish and then comment on it. It's a waste of time.

The proper answer for Timex would be "OK, if you don't like that guy, I'll find another source to put my point across". LOL

Problem is, you couldn't find another source. All you could find, is that SHILL.

The difference between you and I is I'm willing to and you're not.

We are now pretty clear that you were only pretending to learn.

You still have the American lawnmower engine in your brain.

You think you know all the answers before the questions are asked.

That's right. Figuring you people out isn't complicated at all. You and your intentions are simple. Greed, anger and hate. Simple.

A closed mind is a waste.

Yes... isn't it?

The macho male ego

Meaning you are a woman?

Tosser

Where do you get your information about European newspapers? Some are surviving, most are worse off than in years past. You mentioned Britain as an example. In this article (not written by an Indian) only one German company is mentioned as 'thriving':

"In some European countries, newspapers are in worse shape than in the United States. In France, several papers are kept alive by public subsidies. In the ultracompetitive British market, national papers struggle to make money and local newspapers are disappearing at an accelerating rate."

Tosser

And you'll note they're doing ok by selling website access. NOT selling newspapers. Capishe Mr. Macho Know-It-All Man?

Now, please don't tell me something you think you know anymore Tosser. You're a disgrace to bigoted know-it-all manhood.

"I have said so before, I won't read something that is rubbish and then comment on it. It's a waste of time. The proper answer for Timex would be "OK, if you don't like that guy, I'll find another source to put my point across". LOL" - Tosser

Well, excuse me! The story was printed in gobs of newspapers from the Washington Post syndicate. Anyhow, an incurious bigot's opinion isn't of value anyway. YS_1, on the other hand (who may or may not be a bigot) is more knowledgeable than you are - even with all your internet access and newspapers and friends tellin' you rumors and all that ....

Much as I frequently enjoy Tosser's posts -- especially when he runs rings around blinkered bigots -- I just can't help it, but he often reminds me of Sam Jaffe playing Gunga Din.

Tosser seems funny, but his views of America and Americans are seen through the prism of his never having been within 8000 miles of here, probably never having known a single American well enough to have them spend the night with his family, and 'things' his friends and strangers told him. Informed? Yuck yuck.

I explained 'prejudice' is 'pre-judge'. He wouldn't read a WaPo piece about newly stratagized American and NATO military and humanitarian efforts in Helmand Province Afghan. because the author had an Indian name - even though he's American by birth. Peabrain bigot! lol

And from some of the characters I've witnessed here Tosser's not getting an accurate picture of the American makeup either lol 1% watch FoxNews yet this place seems 50% right wingers who start replies with 'hey dipshit....' lol

Tosser's mindboggling prejudiced himself. Ever read one of his anti-India, anti-Indian rants? You'd think it was written by a slow child in crayon on dried banana leaves. He strikes me as semi-well informed and clever, but not particularly cosmopolitan in his outlook. The kid needs to do more traveling and get seriously laid.

You mentioned Britain as an example.

No I didn't.

I mentioned Finland as an example.

I have an email pal from Finland. That's how I know.

You mentioned Britian, Tosser. Newspapers in countries with internet saturation are dying. Ones that aren't are getting revenue from the 'net.

It's ok. You were wrong. I won't punish you anymore lol

The kid needs to do more traveling and get seriously laid.

Spoken by an American who probably doesn't know what a passport looks like.

Puhleeze!

As for being laid.... a gentleman doesn't brag of such things.

Unlike the ruffians we find here.

You mentioned Britian, Tosser.

When?

I was talking of Finland.

Anyway, you have yet to prove that the European newspaper industry is dying.

Linking to another dying newspaper (NYT) isn't good enough.

"Spoken by an American who probably doesn't know what a passport looks like."

Been through a few, actually, all heavily stamped. Lots of traveling, which is why I recommend you, a bright gy who's ignorant of on-the-streets realities in much of the outside world. We could all do with more traveling.

"As for being laid.... a gentleman doesn't brag of such things."

My advice in that department is based on this concern I have about you humping the legs of passersby.

Tosser

I guess your friend from Finland knows how well their newspaper is doing...I mean, he 'told you so'. Do you know Finland is pretty small country with lots of old people who tango?

YS mentioned Britain, btw. Not me.

Do you know Finland is pretty small country with lots of old people who tango?

It's an example of a place (along with Norway, where I have family) where super-fast internet is the norm... over 99% penetration... and the newspapers are still doing business.

Tosser

ALL newspapers worth a scratch are dying in every country with internet saturation. Guess you're going to have to remain culturally and politically illiterate about the rest of the known world. Bummer. At least you'll have bouncing to fall back on later in life .... :)

#264 | Posted by Tosser

Newspapers are still doing business all over here too. Nothing new. Move along.

We could all do with more traveling.

I would of course love to see the Indian ocean islands and see China and the rest of Asia.

And Australia. That's a good place.

I have 50mb internet. What do I even need that for? 20mb worked without a hitch.

Tosser, you haven't lived until you've seen Baghdad, Arizona or Zeezax, New Mexico.

At least you'll have bouncing to fall back on later in life

I was never paid for it. I did it for free. LOL

Newspapers are still doing business all over here too.

Yes, they are. But the ones who lied the most to get the US into Iraq, for example, the two big ones... Washington Post and NYT... are in serious trouble... as is that bastard Rupert Murdoch.

Don't lie, don't cry. LOL

I have 50mb internet.

I got 2mb.

I am cheap. LOL

Tosser, you haven't lived until you've seen Baghdad, Arizona or Zeezax, New Mexico.

Why? What's so special about these two?

Ever read one of his anti-India, anti-Indian rants? You'd think it was written by a slow child in crayon on dried banana leaves.

No worse than you frothing at the mouth when you run into Skidmark. LOL

I just can't help it, but he often reminds me of Sam Jaffe playing Gunga Din.

Anyone who isn't American is "Gunga Din" to Americans.

You have a limited imagination, I guess.

YS_1, on the other hand (who may or may not be a bigot) is more knowledgeable than you are

Oh, I am sure he is in many areas.

For example, he is studying in Canada. Yet, like I said, when it comes to external issues, we are on the same page.

"I would of course love to see the Indian ocean islands and see China and the rest of Asia."

Travel is the gateway to understanding, Tosser. I learned I"m not just of such and such ancestry and such and such nationality or citizenship, but a human on a planet. I notice you didn't mention America .... where so many people from the world travel to. Vast and varied. Oh, well. Guess you'll never really know us then ...

And you'll note they're doing ok by selling website access.

That business model can't last online.

So sez Mr.Know-it-all-man.

Now then.. Timex... I keep getting this vibe that you are female.

If you say yes, I'll read that damn article of yours.

If not, then screw you double, mate.

I notice you didn't mention America

I am not ever coming to America, thanks.

"Yet, like I said, when it comes to external issues, we are on the same page." - Tosser

OK. Your opinion is yours ... however misinformed and misguided :)

Guess you'll never really know us then ...

As far as you lot are concerned, I know enough. More than I care to.

Your opinion is yours ...

And if it doesn't have a bad effect on my health, why are you getting so excited?

I am not ever coming to America, thanks.

#277 | Posted by Tosser

Then you will never know what you're talking about. Suit yourself. Everyone else wants to visit and can't wait 'til they do. Something is wrong with you, or you're on a terrorist watch list perhaps?

Tosser Very serious question for You. How would a White Guy around 6 foot 4 inches around 370 pounds fair in Iran?? Serious question. Would I have a hard time of it from locals or would I be greated warmly?? Just curious.

Larry

Everyone else wants to visit and can't wait 'til they do.

Why? Is all of America one big Disneyland or something?

If I go to that area, I would have reason to see Canada... not America.

or you're on a terrorist watch list perhaps?

Nope.

But really... do you think I would like going to some place where I would be constantly insulted from the minute I step off the plane?

LOL... no thanks.

How would a White Guy around 6 foot 4 inches around 370 pounds fair in Iran?? Serious question. Would I have a hard time of it from locals or would I be greated warmly?? Just curious.

What a strange question... depends on what you intend to do in Iran, I suppose.

Too bad Larry never exercised. He has the size to be an offensive lineman.

I'm really disturbed about what Larry means by hard time of it with the locals.

What a strange question... depends on what you intend to do in Iran, I suppose.

Posted by Tosser at 2009-10-25 09:08 AM | Reply

Find Me one of those Hot Smoking Iranian Chicks what else. Like totally DUH

Larry

Now Larry has made me curious...

To answer him somewhat....

Iranians can pass as white. They ARE Aryans after all. So being white won't attract attention. Your tie might. Don't wear a tie.

Most of my Iranian pals were shorter than me.

Most Iranians only want to party. People don't know that or believe it, but they are extreme party people.

If you can party with them, you should be fine.

Find Me one of those Hot Smoking Iranian Chicks what else.

Do I look like a dating service to you?

Seriously... you think I got nothing better to do than act like an international pimp?

Please find one yourself.

Kewl beans Tosser Thanks.

Kewl beans Tosser Thanks.

Gawd only knows what THAT meant, but you are welcome.

But really... do you think I would like going to some place where I would be constantly insulted from the minute I step off the plane?

LOL... no thanks.

#283 | Posted by Tosser

Tosser, again you're assuming a lot based on rumors (and maybe this website based on politics where people get heated, and yes, some are just plain rude). Believe me, if it was like this website 24/7 I wouldn't wanna live here either!

America is one of the friendliest countries on Earth to people from elsewhere, and has the friendliest people. I've traveled extensively in my life. Europe is colloquial, even Canada is to a large degree. It's nice, but the people there are far more reserved to outsiders than Americans are.

America is one of the friendliest countries on Earth to people from elsewhere

Pakistan is THE friendliest country on Earth to people from elsewhere.

We welcomed 4 million Afghans decades ago... now look how they shitted all over us.

Next door neighbors don't count. Let's bring a planeload of evangelical white Christians on an unguided month and see how that goes...

America is one of the friendliest countries on Earth

Even if I wanted to go to the US, they have made it pretty hard to do.

They take your passport away for months and never tell you what they are doing with it. And they make you pay a non-refundable fee.

Same with the UK.

In any other place, however, I, as a Pakistani, can get a visa in days or hours.

For China, I don't even need a damn visa. I can walk across.

So who needs to even try to go to USA? Not worth the grief they put you through. I am not giving my passport to someone for months... not even for a day.

Give me a list of foreigners who live in Pakistan and where they're from. Roughly.

X hundred thousand Americans
X ten thousand Germans
X ten thousand Fins
X thousand .... Indians (oops, not THOSE next door neighbors!)

Just round it out to X million white Christians. You can do that, can't you....in a country of 200 million, right?

600,000 Pakistanis live here in a country of 300 million

Tosser: "Even if I wanted to go to the US, they have made it pretty hard to do. They take your passport away for months and never tell you what they are doing with it. And they make you pay a non-refundable fee."

--Where'd you hear that one? No one takes anyone's passport away. Surely you can understand how we need to be careful of people's intentions since so many Muslims want to kill us? Have you been to the U.S. consulate and asked? Shouldn't be a problem to get a tourist visa.

Here's how to apply for a tourist visa in Pakistan:

Same with the UK.

--I can't speak on that

Tosser

Most important two things to not do if you come to visit the U.S.:

- Do not attempt to bring weapons
- Absolutely do not tell them you're Tosser lol

Why? What's so special about these two?
#269 | Posted by Tosser

"Anyone who isn't American is "Gunga Din" to Americans."

Oh, for fuck's sake, Tosser, lighten up. Have you ever seen the 1930's film? I doubt it. But if you have, you might even find it funny.

I'll tell you what is hilarious, though: Your inability to recognize your own prejudices and stereotyping. You probably actually believe you aren't prejudiced and don't stereotype. In fact, you're hopelessly prejudiced and stereotype all the time.

That you dont' realize it is at once sad and ridiculous.

Have you ever seen the 1930's film?

Yes. The one with Cary Grant in it, right?

But if you have, you might even find it funny.

They made it funny, though I think it's a true story... mostly. Based on Kipling's poem. He used to work here as a reporter for the "Civil and Military Gazette", I think.

In fact, you're hopelessly prejudiced and stereotype all the time.

And you people aren't and don't??? LOL

Gutter.

Your inability to recognize your own prejudices and stereotyping.

Perhaps you people should just give up and forget trying to "change me".

I swear you are like a bunch of women... trying to get in my head and trying to "change" me into a "compliant shopping package carrying slave".

Been there, done that. It doesn't work on me any more.

In fact, you're hopelessly prejudiced and stereotype all the time.

"And you people aren't and don't??? LOL"

You're simply, albeit embarassingly ineffectively, attempting to deflect.

Again, your inability to engage in meaningful introspection is disappointing, Tosser. As you know, I've commented here frequently during your dust-ups with idiots who spout bullshit about Islam, Pakistan, etc. But you do need to understand that you are a prisoner of your own chauvinistic jingoism about the Outside World in general and India in particular.

"Been there, done that. It doesn't work on me any more."

Too bad, dumbfuck. Enjoy the bumpy ride into oblivion.

#300 | Posted by Tosser | Flag: Ignorant, Proud of It, Uneducable

attempting to deflect.

No, I'm not.

Think about it.

Again, your inability to engage in meaningful introspection is disappointing, Tosser.

I don't do touchy-feely.

You are starting to creep me out a bit....

Enjoy the bumpy ride into oblivion.

And who is going to send me into oblivion? You? hahahahahahahahaha

Relax. I don't know what is getting you so bothered... I am what I am. Why are you taking it so personally?

Introspection creeps you out?

Oh, right, you're the moron who talks about "a bunch of women."

Clearly, I've mistaken your facilty with words for intelligence. My mistake.

Feel free to join your mirror-imnage bozos on history's dust bin.

(And tell you dad that he's wasting his money employing you.)

As you know, I've commented here frequently during your dust-ups with idiots who spout bullshit about Islam, Pakistan, etc

When? I don't recall.....

Feel free to join your mirror-imnage bozos on history's dust bin.

No, I am the present and the future.

Why?

Because whenever you think you got me pegged, I'll be something else.

You'll never see all of me.

But I see you. LOL

Little man, trying to wind me up.

"When? I don't recall....."

Part of your problem, kiddo, part of your problem.
Try broadening your perspective some time.
It'll do you good.
Unless everyone where you hang is as blinkered as you are.

"You'll never see all of me."

Here's some late-breaking news, Tosser: You're only a character in your own little psychodrama. The sad cartoon you play over and over and over in your head. Other people? Really, c'mon, kiddo, you know: Nobody gives a fuck.

Now, I'm off, Tosser, better things to do. You've morphed into just another uninteresting moron. Have a nice time dealing with the inconsistencies and vagaries of your life, just as the rest of us do. I wish you well, but your blinkered intelligence and geographical location work against your longterm prospects. Keep your head low, bucko.

Part of your problem, kiddo, part of your problem.

See?

I knew it.

Nobody gives a fuck.

Oh good.

Quit talking to me then. LOL

You've morphed into just another uninteresting moron.

Amreekan runs away since he can't handle the truth.

Typical.

Keep your head low, bucko.

Pray for the safety of your soldiers... bucko. LOL

He's gone.... LOL

What an unpleasant little fellow, HE turned out to be.

Since day one, this "Doc" has been pumping me for info and then when I didn't indulge him and his silly questions, he deliberately came up with a habit of linking to anti-Pakistan stories from Indian and American media... which later turned out to be trash.

Amateur.

You have me mixed up with someone else, Tosser. Obviously, your reading-processing- comprehending skills need some work. Have you ever considered attending school? Surely there's some sort of special needs facility in all of Pakistan that might be able to accomodate you. I mean, other than rug-weaving or street begging, yes?

"he deliberately came up with a habit of linking to anti-Pakistan stories from Indian and American media"

You're a liar.

You have me mixed up with someone else, Tosser.

hahahahahahahaha

Gotcha to come back to get the last word in, eh? LOL

I thought you said you wuz GONE? LOL

Have you ever considered attending school?

I suppose that my brilliance with putting my thoughts into words, which you admired in post 306, came about because I fell on my head or something?

Nothing to do with schooling... no sir! LOL

You're a liar.

Hahahahahahaha.... You tried to wind me up and got wound up yourself instead.

But no, I am not lying.

I am not American. I can't lie.

It's your "thing". To say something negative to get me to talk against it or explain further.

I indulged you by doing that.

But now it's boring.

NOW is he gone???

I wonder....

Doc DOC!!! Come out, come out ... you bastard... where ever you are! LOL

Oh goody... now he's gone.

He did say he had "better things to do".

Wonder what else is in his skill set that he can do "better"? LOL

Ho-ho, Tosser! Just can't get enough of a beating, can you, little fella?

"I suppose that my brilliance with putting my thoughts into words, which you admired in post 306, came about because I fell on my head or something?"

Well, again, we're clearly dealing with your profound learning disability. What I actually wrote was, "Clearly, I've mistaken your facilty with words for intelligence."

And you take that as testimony to your self-delcared "brilliance"?

Sheet, kiddo, you're even dumber than I thought. Here's what you need to do. After you've scampered off and told your dad he's wasting money employing you hoik your sorry ass on over to your uncle's joint and tell him you're not even fit to be a chai boy.

I wonder if he's married?

I would like to give his wife a medal... "suffering a nag".

Ho-ho, Tosser!

Boys and girls, he can't stay away!

He's the one who said he doesn't give a fuck... what's up Doc? Just can't stop can you? LOL

I have your number, you loser.

Just can't get enough of a beating

Sez the guy who can't stick to his own words. LOL

Didn't you have "better things to do"?

"I wonder if he's married?"

Sorry, Tosser, but I'm spoken for. And here's the disappointment for you, sweetie: a female of the same species.

And you take that as testimony to your self-delcared "brilliance"?

Things will dawn on you slower and slower as you get older and older.

It's normal for a guy in your condition, Doc.

dad .... your uncle's

What??? Dad? Uncle?

See, what I said earlier? LOL

Knows nothing about anything, yet will make it up to get me to give him his next clue.

but I'm spoken for.

I guessed as much.

Which is why she gets the medal for being patient with you.

Goodnight, mister bore.

I am not American. I can't lie.

#318 | Posted by Tosser

Hey Tosser ya know I like you but come on you can bullshit with the best of them. I bet if you wanted to put a crazy act on you'd give Buffoon_Boob a serious race for the Jester Of the Universe Crown.

Tosser

You seem like a likable person and you obviously have a great sense of humor too, but your prejudices (pre-judging) and stereotyping ('they're all like..) sound exactly like the worst Arab/Muslim haters in the world ... just different boogiemen. I've experienced prejudice and I've had my own too because I believed what other people told me ... until I could make up my own mind based on my own interactions with people as individuals. Most of 'em turned out to be good folks who wanted the same basic things in life I did - family, love, necessities, and, hopefully, to fulfill a few dreams and aspirations. True the world over bar none. Sure, there are bad apples in every bunch who give the rest a bad name. F 'em.

It'd be a pity to think an intelligent fella like you might predestine yourself to live the rest of your life in a small box of your own choosing, judging others vicariously simply because of generations of hand-me-down stories about 'those people'. Nothing but a meaningless cycle of hearsay. They're almost always wrong. Zealots and mass murderers aside. OK, now you can call me a 'stoopid Amreeken' lol :)