"It (Bush with the bullhorn) said, 'I'm owning it'...."

I'm willing to bet any sum of money that George didn't have anything of the sort in mind at the time.

I gave George a full year before I came to an idea what sort of president he was. I'm, more than willing to give Obama the same courtesy.

But frankly, I think things are better than they were one year ago. That's what I voted for---Things to get better.

How have things gotten better, zed?

"How have things gotten better....?"

I don't suppose you'd accept the "We have a smart articulate guy now rather than a stupid inarticulate one"? Nah, of course not. Too fundamental.

Obama just seems to get smaller every day, picking fights that are stupid. It makes no sense to go after Fox, let alone the Chamber of Commerce. How dumb do you have to be?

I could add I liked his SC nomination, reversing a disturbing trend on the Court? Not your politics, of course, so you won't go there.

The unemployment rate?:

Wait a minute---I've got it---No Great Depression in 2009. But maybe that's not really anything "better", given he'd have to have allowed it, then cured it, to get credit from your point of view?

Could it be the failed banks, zed?:

"It was about 5% last year at this time...."

Ah, but my dear, I recall when the rock slide began. It wasn't 2009.

But frankly, I think things are better than they were one year ago. That's what I voted for---Things to get better.

#2 | Posted by Zed
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Let me spend $2 trillion in borrowed cash, and I'll make it seem as if things are getting better too.

Of course, the bill will be in the mail, eventually.

So I'll assume you're cool with the big bailouts of Goldman and Citi, of paying people to send their cars to the junk heap and buy new ones, and putting the US Government on the hook for another $800 billion in new mortgages, written with only a 3% down payment, funded by the $8000 tax credit? The $30 billion zipped to General Motors to save them from bankruptcy, only to see them go bankrupt anyway?

Yep. $2 trillion worth of frosting, on a plate of crumbs.

Surely you must mean the rise in homelessness?:

"Could it be the failed banks..."

See "rock slide" comment, above. What's your point, NANC---To demonstrate you were born 01/20/09?

"Rise in homelessness...."

01/20/09? How old are you?

Nahhhhhhhhhh, it's the forclosure rate - right?:

Ah, but my dear, I recall when the rock slide began. It wasn't 2009.

#10 | Posted by Zed
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You're right. It was in the first quarter of 2007, the very instant the Democrats took over Congress. Ironic. Or maybe not.

MAN I'm glad to know we're all doing better!

Let's consider this another way---If the recession ends next year, does Obama get credit?

That's a question for you , NANC---Don't be shy. Just try and think what Rush would say.

#14 | Posted by Zed - I am over fifty and DO NOT have blinders on and know people who are being affected by what's been coming to a head for the past seven years. Why do you ask?

At a certain point, a president must own a presidency. For George W. Bush that point came eight months in, when 9/11 happened.

Bullshit. The Right still says George had no responsibility for 9-11 and it's all Clinton's fault.

I've yet to see the right, or the Bush Administration take ANY responsibility for the false WMD claims, the piss-poor planning for either war or for the economic meltdown. Or the Wall Street bail-out. All of which occurred under Bush, most of it due to him. Geez, Putin invaded Georgia under Bush's nose and Bush did nothing. The Chi-coms highjacked a spyplane and Bush apologized twice and paid them for their troubles. Talk about an appeasement monkey. Except righties don't. They just pretend it never happened. Now if it had happened on Obama's watch....

Obama owns the effects of the stimulus package, the health care bill and dealings with foreign governments. He's already put Iraq's future in Iraqi's hands and hopefully will come up with an exit strategy for afghanistan, because all wars, according to the righties, need an exit plan. Except those started by republicans, cause they can last for a hundred years...

He holds as much responsibility for the outcome of Iraq and afghanistan as you want to level against Ike for Korea and Nixon for Viet Nam.

Why do you assume I listen to Rush? Never have other than seeing him on interviews on television. Is that your standard answer for everyone who disagrees with you?

Joe Biden says we are in a depression, go figure.

I'm asking, that is to say, right now, that if the recession ends next year, does Obama get the credit? Seems simple to me.

Not my standard answer, NANC---But if you want to prove you don't listen to Rush, answer my question in some sane way.

RE: Rush, now that they are attacking and smearing him, I started listening to him again.

Sure, zed - I'll give him credit IF and WHEN he does something positive for this nation. I zinged bush on numerous occasions - and have no problem giving credit where credit is due. I'm not a party favorer.

You know, if you were going to borrow and spend $2 trillion, you could have sent every household in America a check for over $20,000. That's $20,000 that could have paid down household debt, bought health insurance, a new car, put into their home equity, caught up on mortgages, helped with tuition payments . . .

But Bush, Obama, and Tax-Dodgin' Timmy decided it was better to send it to AIG, Goldman Sachs, and Morgan Stanley. Why aren't libbies pissed off about that? Doesn't it bother you that you're now the party of Wall Street bankers and hedge fund managers?

Hope you didn't need the money. Goldman needs it for bonuses.

IF the recession ends next year IN SPITE OF OBAMA'S POLICIES, that would be a miracle.

Well, NANC---If you're in fact WAITING for Obama to clearly fail at something that wasn't created by someone else's grimey hands LONG BEFORE he was president, you're just going to have to wait a while longer.

Just using your logic---If you have to wait and see regarding the nature of successes, you should wait and see in regards to failures.

Frankly, ten months in, all you fellows on the Right have done is fulfill predictions in regards to how you would treat any Democratic president.

Well, NANC---If you're in fact WAITING for Obama to clearly fail at something that wasn't created by someone else's grimey hands LONG BEFORE he was president, you're just going to have to wait a while longer.

Posted by Zed

I guess George W. Bush appointed Van Jones.

#29, here we go folks, the Paultards and their ilk already realize that the recession is coming to an end and that unemployment will turn around, so they are going to find a way to say it all would have happened anyway with or without Obama.

Doesn't it bother you that you're now the party of Wall Street bankers and hedge fund managers?

Nope not at all. I am proud of my President, proud of this country, and proud that God blessed us with such intellegent leaders to help clean up this mess.

Later all, back to real job, because things are BETTER for me!

how bout no new wars started?

It's ten months in, guys. You're talking to a man whome the Right (including Rush) has insisted it would take fifty years or more to pass judgment on George W. Bush.

Y'all still holding to that one?

Is History awake at last and can she now say something about George? Anyone? You, NANC?

No new wars? Except the war on free speech, of course.

At least some dems are worried:

#33 | Posted by truthhurts - no old wars finished either.

How about you, NANC---Eight years of Bush versus ten months of Obama. Can we pass judgment on George?

hahaha yeah lets compare bush and obama on attacks on constitutional rights.

"No old wars finished either..."

You want to bring the troops home now, NANC? I'm with you. Would doing so be a success or a failure for Obama?

yeah lets compare bush and obama on attacks on constitutional rights.

They are even. Bush took them and, so far, Obama has kept them.

hahaha yeah lets compare bush and obama on attacks on constitutional rights.

#40 | Posted by truthhurts

Obama voted for FISA, BECAUSE HE WANTED TO, NOT BECAUSE HE HAD TO.

Zed - I give Glenn Beck credit for pointing out the motives of commie Jones - the w.h. did what it HAD to do in that instance. You should be happy that at least ONE person is out there watching out for the state of this nation.

what's that half the US deaths in Iraq in 2009 as 2008?

what's that an exit strategy for Iraq?

Put another way, NANC---If Obama reinforces Afghanistan, is he failing?

Now, what's Rush's opinion on that? He thinks Obama fails if the troops stay or if they go. That's why he's paid the big money, to be cognitively flexible.

You're just another person not answering simple questions, NANC. And they are very, very simple.

Doesn't it bother you that you're now the party of Wall Street bankers and hedge fund managers?

Nope not at all. I am proud of my President, proud of this country, and proud that God blessed us with such intellegent leaders to help clean up this mess.

Later all, back to real job, because things are BETTER for me!

#32 | Posted by taxman
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So libbie Tax Men are having a great time, and would have rather seen the money go to Wall Street rather than Main Street.

That'll make a nice campaign poster next year. Be sure to show up at the Tea Parties, and hand out your business cards.

Truth be told, things are a lot better for me too. I'm going to make a lot of money from the Obama presidency. Maybe I shouldn't complain.

Zed - we either need to shit or get off the pot in afghanistan - I felt the same way about Iraq. Take it to the next level or get out.

You're just another person not answering simple questions, NANC. And they are very, very simple.

#47 | Posted by Zed at 2009-10-23 10:54 AM | Reply

Sort of like "Why were you so upset over Bush's signing statements, but remain mum about Obama's signing statements", hypocrite? Like that kind of a simple question?

You know, like the one I've asked you repeatedly for months now that you run away from?

"We either need to shit of get of the pot in Afghanistan..."

Therefore, in your view, Obama succeeds regardless of what he does. Rush hates you without knowing you.

Truth be told, things are a lot better for me too. I'm going to make a lot of money from the Obama presidency.

Me too. But many of the dolts here won't and, regardless will still blame it on Bush or Reagan.

LOL

By the way, any person referring to communists in government in this day and age is bat-shit. You may as well start speaking of pod-people. Anything to te left of George Wallace might be communist from a certain point of view.

Again - why should I care how Rush feels about me - he's not my master.

I and NANC look forward to Obama's successful decision in regards to Afghanistan. Good day to all.

Oh goody - I answered appropriately and now zed runs away! TA!

hahaha nanc doesnt get it. hey nanc point being you should have voted democrat, but of course why would you want to vote for your own interests.

Oh goody - I answered appropriately and now zed runs away! TA!

#56 | Posted by nanc at 2009-10-23 11:06 AM | Reply

nanc,
See post #50. It works like a charm on old Zed.

Where did you get that picture of J.Tarkanian?

Is the price of gasoline going up in your area, zed?:

At a certain point, a president must own a presidency. For George W. Bush that point came eight months in, when 9/11 happened.

Yup....they decided to own it the NEXT DAY. Sept 12, 2001. How convenient!

NANC,

The housing industry is better off, my oil and gas bills all have declined since Obama won. Cash for clunkers was huge success, stimulus was a success but not as big a one as all thought. Now, bailing out the banks, who did that first NANC? For your bailout question on GM, he is only following the Reagan model from chrysler. This president has actaully tried to engineer health care reform, for which many bitch about. He is also planning pay as you go, even brought it up in speeches which shrub never did (but he did create biggest deficit gain in history). He shows force when necessary, moving troops to afghanistan, popping pirates, and the right wing scare tactic of "no attacks on US soil", when by all measure shrub failed at this point. Now I am starting to see why you can't back Obama, he has too high a success rate for you righties.

LM

Yeah LM, everything other than your oil and gas bill was bought by the Whitehouse. That $8000.00 for first time buyers was especially effective. I hear he wants to make it $15K for everyone to really get things moving. I guess the war in Afganistan doesn't cost anything since Jan. 20th.

I don't suppose you'd accept the "We have a smart articulate guy now rather than a stupid inarticulate one"? Nah, of course not. Too fundamental.

#4 | Posted by Zed

We have a smart socalist. Is that good?

He can't put a sentence togerher without a tela-prompter.

Nah,too fundamental.

Peggy Noonan is full of crap as usual. Thirty years of Reaganomics won't be fixed by anyone in 9 months.
The Obama administration prevented a depression, most economic indicators are moving in a positive direction though unemployment is still a problem.
It is a little hard to blame Obama for that when corporations are still busy outsourcing jobs to India and China, why is she not criticizing the corporations who are selling out the country?
With critics like her and with corporations so uninterested in helping this country Obama is going to be forced to take more drastic measures than the conservatives will like to bring jobs back to America.

Let's consider this another way---If the recession ends next year, does Obama get credit?

#18 | Posted by Zed

OK, if you go along with the fact that it was started by the dem congress.

The housing industry is better off, my oil and gas bills all have declined since Obama won. Cash for clunkers was huge success, stimulus was a success but not as big a one as all thought. Now, bailing out the banks, who did that first NANC? For your bailout question on GM, he is only following the Reagan model from chrysler.
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You're not as bright as you think. Gas and oil is up 40% since January. Bailing out the banks was Bush, Obama, Geithner (then head of the NY Fed) and was done without Republican support. And it was Carter who bailed out Chrysler, not Reagan. As to housing, it's not going down as badly as it once was, but that's not "better off". If anyone's home is worth more today than it was six months ago, or 12, it's only because he's found oil under it.

But that's okay. Obama needs people like you.

30 years of Reaganomics?

Our economy exploded in the '80's and that explosion carried well into the late '90's.

danni - CAN you go a day without mentioning your whipping boy? You're obviously the type who more than likely reminds your own child of THAT time you THOUGHT they screwed up. oy.

how bout no new wars started?

#33 | Posted by truthhurts

SHIT!!!

Against; Fox News, Talk Radio, US C of C, Big Medicine, Big Insurance, Big Power Companies, he Slams Wall Street while he is asking them for donations, etc. You are correct that we have no new wars afainst foreign governments but he is taking on many of the US people. WTF over.

Obama needs to get off his ass and lead. I can't give him credit there. The bailout was largely a waste, there is no doubt the banks got their gubby paws into the Democratic party, but that is more congress and less about Obama...he needs to use his pair because he is the right man for the job cerebrally. But, those are policy disputes...what the Rightfucks are doing is flat out traitorous...rooting against the Olympics, the Nobel peace prize, reform of any kind...go ahead and form your damn country, Texas and see if I give a fuck!

By the way, any person referring to communists in government in this day and age is bat-shit. You may as well start speaking of pod-people. Anything to te left of George Wallace might be communist from a certain point of view.

#53 | Posted by Zed

He is surrounded by them ace. They admit they admire Mao. One of his heros wrote a book on how to turn this country and how about that nutty college prof and his lovely wife?

My apologies to the Texas Democratic Party.

And my favorite tidbit is how Red States are by and large, takers as opposed to givers in the federal budgetary pie.

Our economy exploded in the '80's and that explosion carried well into the late '90's.

On borrowed money. I'm guessing deficits didn't matter until January 2009, right?

"Against; Fox News, Talk Radio, US C of C, Big Medicine, Big Insurance, Big Power Companies,"

So basically a war against people who hate America? Not a bad thing, really...

Obama really should start complaining about those nattering nabobs of negativism in the media and start breking into opponents offices if he wants the support of the right.

Still waiting for a righty to state he/she accepts Bush's responsibility for 9-11....

#72 - define YOUR meaning of "traitorous", bootlicker! BTW - do you look good in brown?

#76 - go start a conspeory thread! I'm sure there are a host of libtards who will join and agree with you.

It's funny reading Noonan's whine the day after Cheney forgets he was running the afghan war for 7 years and falied to fill troop demands but wants Obama to clean up his mess overnight...

And while we're on the subject of President's owning things, any righty want to apologize for Reagan arming the mad ayatollahs and hezbollah and causing 9-11?

Didn't think so.....

#68 | POSTED BY RIGHTISRIGHT AT 2009-10-23 11:46 AM | REPLY | FLAG: NEWSWORTHY

The Northguy3 "Debating for Dummies" book in progress...

Introduction: Bush
Chapter 1. Bush
Chapter 2: Bush
Chapter 3: Bush
Chapter 4-12: Bush.
Index: Bush

well ironically Nanco, I do...(UPS),

But, last I checked I can still go wherever and whenever I want and maybe with some luck, small business owners can get affordable health care. Thanks for asking traitor!

and btw...see 75 you fat government cow!

#83 - must stink where you park your water head!

When Obama kills 4,000 plus Americans he'll be as bad as Bush but he's pretty bad as it is. Bush isn't a measure for competence...

Still waiting for a righty to state he/she accepts Bush's responsibility for 9-11....

If you can point to "actionable intelligence" that Bush was in possession of but ignored, then I will gladly assign all sorts of blame to him for 9/11.

BTW - "actionable intel" has a very specific meaning, google it if you are unfamiliar with the term, because a PDB stating Osama is determined to strike the US does not constitute actionable intel.

"must stink where you park your water head!"

I only wish I was redneck enough to understand what that means.

Still waiting for a righty to state he/she accepts Bush's responsibility for 9-11....

#76 | Posted by northguy3

While your head is so far up your backside, don't fart. It will kill you.

The attack on 9/11/01 happened because they had no fear of the US. They had gotten away with attacking us many times before and nothing happened to them. We threw a couple guys in jail and the big boys sat back and laughed at us. The guys we put in jail were like the suicide bombers, dispensable.

'Affordable health care' under the present bills from the Dens is a oxymoron.

Dems

That's why I said "with some luck," I think Obama knows the right way to do it...getting it through Congress is a different animal...He needs to start using his communication skills to reel in the Dems, but he is in a bit of a bind because he's not getting any help really from the right...He needs to get a strong middle. But the approach the R's (and Nanc) have taken is irrational, it's not good for anybody and it is despicable.

And I'm sorry, but the insurance industry is the real source of the problem....they have too much to lose to let it happen, but they are the problem. They gouge prices and invest the profits in crap.

I'm not an "R" - never have been.

Never said you were....rules have exceptions.

"That's why I said "with some luck," I think Obama knows the right way to do it...getting it through Congress is a different animal...He needs to start using his communication skills to reel in the Dems, but he is in a bit of a bind because he's not getting any help really from the right...He needs to get a strong middle. But the approach the R's (and Nanc) have taken is irrational, it's not good for anybody and it is despicable."

Wasn't Obama's way lying about who was covered and who wasn't. I believe it was repubs who offered an amendment or two and were shot down regarding this. You mean that kind of irrational behavoir, right?

Nanc just because you claim not to be one does not make it the truth. Remember what Obama the prophet said about lipstick on a pig.

No, the "lie" is a debate called a lie by liars. The ammendments were basically filibusters in disguise...next question

Don't get me started on stupid O quotes:

"It was also interesting to see that political interaction in Europe is not that different from the United States Senate. There's a lot of -- I don't know what the term is in Austrian, wheeling and dealing." --confusing German for "Austrian," a language which does not exist, Strasbourg, France, April 6, 2009

"No, no. I have been practicing...I bowled a 129. It's like -- it was like Special Olympics, or something." --making an off-hand joke during an appearance on "The Tonight Show", March 19, 2009

"I didn't want to get into a Nancy Reagan thing about doing any seances." --after saying he had spoken with all the living presidents as he prepared to take office, Washington, D.C., Nov. 7, 2008

Well, OC...than again who am I to question Glen Beck's integrity?

Seems to me he's on one big apology tour!

How's this working out for him?:

"Just this past week, we passed out of the out of the U.S. Senate Banking Committee -- which is my committee -- a bill to call for divestment from Iran as way of ratcheting up the pressure to ensure that they don't obtain a nuclear weapon." --referring to a committee he is not on, Sderot, Israel, July 23, 2008

BFD Dunc, I talk to dead people all the time too, because I miss them and love them...I don't expect any answers but I bet it's not rare for someone with a soul.

He's a poser.

"No, the "lie" is a debate called a lie by liars. The ammendments were basically filibusters in disguise...next question"

Of course they were. Which is why Baucus changed his legislation, right? So who was lying? Obama? Or the repubs who pointed this flaw out and tried to amend it? Next!!!!

#105 | Posted by bocaink - the dead know nothing. Careful with those familiar spirits, waterhead.

The Dead know only one thing: it's better to be alive- Private Joker, Full Metal Jacket

"He is NOTHING without TOTUS!"

LOL....yeah cause....well you know, ya fool me once...uhhh....uhhh..shhhhame on you.....fool me....ummm. foool.....hum...can't get fooled again!

According to the article:
A Gallup Daily Tracking Poll out this week reported Mr. Obama's job approval dropped nine points during the third quarter of this year, that is between July 1 and Sept. 30, when it fell from 62% to 53%. It was the biggest such drop Gallup has ever measured for an elected president during the same period of his term.

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2010 should be interesting.

The dead are dead without Jerry Garcia.

"Of course they were. Which is why Baucus changed his legislation, right? So who was lying? Obama? Or the repubs who pointed this flaw out and tried to amend it? Next!!!!"

ummm....didn't I just say it was a debate????? Sounds like a debate to me...see in the real USA, that's called "legislation." It isn't supposed to be done by signing statements.

They are THE Dead without Jerry.

#110 - It's just a cartoon of TOTUS accepting the nobel appeasement prize!

"Well, OC...than again who am I to question Glen Beck's integrity?"

You should probably question someone about talking to dead people.

As for Beck, Hannitty, Oreilly, Rush, Ingraham, Hewitt, Prager, Levin, Savage, Reagan, Stein and any other radio or Cable TV host... I DON"T WATCH OR LISTEN TO THEM!!!!! I get my news from Handle's show in the morning and get my news from PBS in the evening.

#114 - they're DEADER than dead without Jerry.

Wow Nanc, I actually concur...they need to go away now. they should have just called themselves "the Jerry's"....but then they'd get confused with all that ice cream crap.

Personally, I agree too, but there are many who think they have gotten better. I think the drugs have.

Nope OC....as a supposed "godless librul" it must amaze you that I find it to be no problem believing in an afterlife in which loved ones may bestow a blessing unbeknown to you because you keep them in your heart and thoughts.

....not strange to me one bit.

It was about 5% last year at this time...."

Ah, but my dear, I recall when the rock slide began. It wasn't 2009.

#10 | Posted by Zed at 2009-10-23 10:32 AM | Reply

True it was 2007 when the house went to the democrats

"ummm....didn't I just say it was a debate????? Sounds like a debate to me...see in the real USA, that's called "legislation." It isn't supposed to be done by signing statements."

So it was a "debate" between Obama and Baucus? Is this guy for real? Or is this another Woke wannabe? Because there doesn't seem to be much sense in his retorts on this subject and the Woke like Beck deflection.

My guess is more like a standoff, but yes. In non-lockstep political structures this happens...once again, it is called Legislation. You should have been in student council....it could have changed your life.

Kanrei - Sidestory on Jerry - Jerry died two weeks after I told my husband, "Honey, we need to go see the Dead before Jerry Garcia bites the benuche."

A few years later I told him, "I'm hoping you get a ticket for speeding." ZING!

Before that one of our children's teachers was needlessly mean to them and I said, "Not to worry, he'll get his." Poor guy was mowing the lawn and ran over a ground hornet nest and ended up in the hospital THAT WEEKEND with over a hundred stings.

...oh, there's more...

Nope OC....as a supposed "godless librul" it must amaze you...

UH... I was more amazed at your ignorant retort claiming Obama and Baucus were somehow in a debate. As for admittingly saying you talk to dead people all the time, that is still anyones guess.

June 2nd, at Shoreline, Jerry told everyone there he was going to die during "Standing on the Moon." If you listen to the tapes, you can hear the sound he chose for his guitar was a choir of angels and the pain as he sung "a lovely view of Heaven but I'd rather be with you" hurt everyone there. It was surreal.

#124 | POSTED BY NANC AT 2009-10-23 12:37 PM

Can't be too good of a power. We still have plenty of Libs in govt and Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.

The debate is from all ways OC...not just one side or the other. That's why I've been critical of Obama for letting Congress's opinion matter more than his...just from perspective that's how I see it...if it takes a republican vote to stop something that congress has hijacked so be it...it is legislation at its best. I agree with Obama, I don't agree with Congress, and I wish the Republicans would help the process instead of trashing it.

This is one of my favorites:

"On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes -- and I see many of them in the audience here today -- our sense of patriotism is particularly strong."

Jackass - I never pray for those things, I ALWAYS say, "Not my will, but YOURS be done."

#128 | Posted by bocaink - you pick a fine time to hold hands and sing kumbaya. Does your hypocrisy know no bounds?

Not really, if anyone can bring people together, wasn't it Jerry?

DR in a nutshell:

Obama Obama Obama Obama Obama Obama Obama Obama Obama Obama Obama Obama ...

but Bush but Bush but Bush but Bush but Bush but Bush but Bush but Bush ...

repeat ad nauseum

How about this, Lets all agree that as far as Presidencies go, The Bush years will never be referred to as "The Mark that all previous and future leaders will be compared to". Even if you think that might be true...let's agree to that.

We can then actually intellectually hold Obama accountable for his errors, and applaud him on his successes.

Am I the only one sick of the the childish games of "but he/they did..." Sounds like my two kids arguing.

"My guess is more like a standoff, but yes. In non-lockstep political structures this happens...once again, it is called Legislation. You should have been in student council....it could have changed your life."

I guess you forgot what you were even repsonding to. Which was, "why Obama lied about the current bills" in regards to who gets covered. It was pretty simple what I wrote. Not that you had any hopes of a winning defense.

Look Nanc,

When I was in school my partner in crime was this lady who was a right wing part time defense contractor and part time student and instructor. Every seminar was like Akroyd/Curtain....we got into it with foul language and theatrics and the debate couldn't get fiercer.....then we'd go have a beer and talk about the Browns, music, and statistics....that's how I view this stuff...just because I think you are an enemy of America doesn't mean we can't agree on music.

OC, yes, I think there was a difference of opinion on the language between Obama and Baucus...the Repub attack machine got all revved up and it became "a lie".

#134 - agreed. But I DO draw the line at holding your slimy democrat hand! HA!

what about the peace pipe passing?

"OC, yes, I think there was a difference of opinion on the language between Obama and Baucus...the Repub attack machine got all revved up and it became "a lie"."

How is it the fault of Repubs when Obama is asked a question by reporters and his answer is untrue?????? Either Obama was ignorant to this fact or he lied!!!!!!!! There is no other way to spin this.

"Now, watch this drive...."

Once again, he was ignorant to the ultimate language of the legislation that WAS WRITTEN BY THE DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS....I've been saying that all along. I am not saying the Retards shouldn't have called him on it, but the "lie" crap is grossly exaggerated. I truly believe there is a debate between whether or not children of illegal immigrants should be covered...it's a tough moral dilemma. it is legislation...that's what legislation is about. That includes situations like this. It doesn't make it a lie. Unless you have never been wrong about something you thought you new, you would understand what I am saying. I'm just saying from my knowledge of federal politics, there is a debate between congress and the president over who gets covered...that's the point. It was a mistake, not a lie. The Repubs want lies and liars and fodder for their revolt.

#137 - not to worry - I won't put a whammy on you. Well, unless you want me to?!?

Nanc, you red vixen...are you seducing me?

"Come on! I just answered, like, eight questions." --exasperated by reporters after a news conference

#142 - watch your step, red diaper baby!

Jackass - I never pray for those things, I ALWAYS say, "Not my will, but YOURS be done."

#129 | POSTED BY NANC

You however want gods will to be destruction of liberals and muslims.

At least he lets the media ask questions.....

.....zing!

"In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died -- an entire town destroyed." --on a Kansas tornado that killed 12 people

"#142 - watch your step, red diaper baby!"

...ok Weiner watcher!

#145 - untrue. I believe He'll just stay good on His own words.

"The point I was making was not that Grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person, who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, you know, there's a reaction that's been bred in our experiences that don't go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that's just the nature of race in our society."

This is obviously a typical statement of a person who is half white.

#140...
I see. So the fact Obama's answer turns out to be untrue, it is all because of his ignorance to the Bill in question? Somehow you find that a better defense than admitting he lied? Ignorance or a lie???? Hmmm...

As for you knowledge of federal politics... You really think it was an oversight, that the dems made sure there was "NOTHING" in their legislation that would have any enforcments of determining who was a "legal citizen"? Even after the repubs submitted multiple amendmants closing that loophole? Wow.

I guess the same body in charge of writing TARP were ignorant to the fact the bonuses and salaries were included in the bailout. lol

Well, I dunno OC, yes and no. It was a worse case scenario measure, similar to what Bush did after 9/11, maybe only slightly more intelligent. Congress hijacked it, were bought and paid for by interests and it turned into what it is, a corporate friendly, watered down bill, that has and will have some benefit, but could've been much better obviously. Then the choice became do it now or do nothing now. In a grander sense, I think the same big businesses who have fucked this all up, are holding the government hostage for a lot of this money because they have the power to tank the economy...much like the Saudi's have done periodically with oil. That's what I think about it.

and as far as bonuses go....AIG played a shell game with Obama. The language is vague, a lot of legislation and contractual language is vague for a reason.....

lemme put it to you in terms that you will understand.

Do you remember how Cheney viewed the Constitution? Big Business runs along the same principles. Ruthless, exploitive, powerful, and capable of destruction for self-benefit...There is a battle between this administration and big business, and ultimately, business is more powerful right now. It is going to be a give and take to balancing the power out. So yes, Government is asserting power over runaway business activity...that's what "change" means to me...won't be done without give and take and time and sweat. That doesn't make it socialism, it makes it balanced

#152 and 153...

I am sure Tony Roma would appreciate you long winded answer to a simple question. I for one am a simple person and was expecting a yes or no.

Do you believe Congress intentionally left out any enforcment measure on purpose or by ignorance?

Once again, he was ignorant to the ultimate language of the legislation that WAS WRITTEN BY THE DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS....I've been saying that all along. I am not saying the Retards shouldn't have called him on it, but the "lie" crap is grossly exaggerated. I truly believe there is a debate between whether or not children of illegal immigrants should be covered...it's a tough moral dilemma. it is legislation...that's what legislation is about. That includes situations like this. It doesn't make it a lie. Unless you have never been wrong about something you thought you new, you would understand what I am saying. I'm just saying from my knowledge of federal politics, there is a debate between congress and the president over who gets covered...that's the point. It was a mistake, not a lie. The Repubs want lies and liars and fodder for their revolt.

#140 | Posted by bocaink

So, I take it that you use the same reasoning with Bush and the WMD's in Iraq for the reason to go to war. After all, it was intelligence from the CIA and other countries not something that he came up with himself. But it looks like the dems just want lies and liars and fodder for their revolt.

For OC, my theory is that the language was written by congress was an intentional omission, but they weren't looking to parse the issue very hard because it would have stirred up a debate that was best solved when a more comprehensive solution to immigration was passed. I know it's not the "black or white" answer you seem to crave. As far as for Obama, I believe his answer was out of ignorance in knowing the vagueness of the language.

and WMD's was bullshit from the beginning and we both know that. There is your yes/no answer

I know they don't do a whole lot, but what congress does do is look after their own asses alot. And, for good reasons, their own ideology as well. I learned in Public Policy 101 (501 really) how to use policy language to steer the debate towards your interests. There are truly better strategists than me who know this shit. Interests get tangled and mistakes happen. But that isn't even close to what happened back in 2001-2002. Congress was hamstrung by the President's agenda and greenlighted any cockamamie scheme they wanted. Any bullshit story would've worked, and the paper trail leads to it. We are almost talking about two entirely different governments when you compare the two....and I mean from a Polysci perspective, not a party affiliation perspective. The process has changed...it's not as black and white as during the time of threat post 9/11

And the same can be said for every president except W. until you get to Nixon.

#145 - untrue. I believe He'll just stay good on His own words.

#149 | POSTED BY NANC AT 2009-10-23 01:14 PM

You mean man's words that were stolen from ancient pagan religions? Please try doing a little research.

#156...

TY

I'm not a party favorer.

Posted by nanc

Most of the guys in high school considered you the party favorite.

"I'm not a party favorer.
Posted by nanc"

"Most of the guys in high school considered you the party favorite.
Posted by nullifidian"

WHy would he want to own up to anything when he can continue to lie and make promises he wont and cant keep? Typical of a small child not to own up to and continue to lie about the current situation. He is proving everyday with every lie what a child he is.

Thank you Mr. Hunter for your insightful commentary

"He (Obama) is surrounded by them (communists), Ace...."

Horse-hockey. Nutso blather. Too stupid even to make up clever derogations concerning.

You be bat-shit.

The Muslim Illegal Alien schtick didn't work and now you're picking on the poor commies. How many commies are left in the entire world, much less the United States?

But you see a Red Menace. As stated previously: Bat-shit.

Obamanation will deny all his destruction on Americans even to the very day they shovel dirt upon his stinking, worthless carcase, while allowing all his kool-aid followers to follow him to the grave...

Still an improvement over last year, FEELGOOD. Read it and weep. And maybe next year will be an improvement over this one. Would that cause you to shed salty tears?

Was listening to Boortz today. A caller rang up advocating secession and civil war in the United States, because of Obama. What's interesting is that Neal didn't condemn the idea.

There's something wrong with the American Right. It was there before Obama was elected. Which is one big reason he was elected.

Like I said, go for it, secede already! Take Texas, Oklahoma, Mississippi, Alabama, Utah, and the Dakotas.

Leave already! You still here??? Go!!!

The timing of going after 'uncatchable' FOX : commie Jones is gone and the Olympic bid (a big ego deflator for Obama and good for his growth) is lost ....

Obama was stung by the loss of the olympic bid.

Then the gloves came off.

Some advice from mature folks....

Chris Wallace: crybabies (Obama & team).

Helen: grow up, stop expecting Fox to worship you.

Noonan: Mop your own floor.

^.^

"If the recession ends next year, does Obama get credit?"

If his policies led to it, I would give him credit.

Of course, the bill will be in the mail, eventually.

So I'll assume you're cool with the big bailouts of Goldman and Citi, of paying people to send their cars to the junk heap and buy new ones, and putting the US Government on the hook for another $800 billion in new mortgages, written with only a 3% down payment, funded by the $8000 tax credit? The $30 billion zipped to General Motors to save them from bankruptcy, only to see them go bankrupt anyway?

Yep. $2 trillion worth of frosting, on a plate of crumbs.

#11 | Posted by rightisright

Of course that is on the back of failed economic policies ( Medicare prescription drug beni) and 4.5 TRILLION in pissed away US dollars in IRAQ and Afghanistan..

$4.5 trillion now. It goes up by a trillion a week.

Whenever you read an RisR post and are actually tempted to consider anything he says as intelligent, I ask you to do one simple thing....

Just say "keep selling." Then tell that arrogant pretender that you'll get your financial advice from actual adults. Then just say bye bye and you will have done yourself the biggest favor of your life.

Danni

Obama's election and the massive gains in Congress seem to have blown many wingnut fuses from what I've seen online here and there. Forgetfulness, hypocrisy, irrational statements, illogical babble ... these are some of the signs.

Peggy "1000 points of light" Noonan?
Please.
She's a tired old bag who needs to be put out to pasture with Stewball.

2 years after Reagan took office unemployment had risen to 10.8%

I wonder if that was Reagan's fault or Carters?

...the image of him standing on the rubble of the twin towers, bullhorn in hand, on Sept.14, 2001, became an iconic one. It said: I'm exploiting this to benefit my BigOil buddies, my Saudi BFFs and Halliburton.

FTFPN

Be Well.

"and 4.5 TRILLION in pissed away US dollars in IRAQ and Afghanistan.."

#173 | Posted by Legio at 2009-10-23 07:43 PM
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From the cost of war site:

To date, $915.1 billion dollars have been allocated to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The national, state, and local numbers we provide are based on the total approved amounts through the end of Fiscal Year 2009.

Thanks for playing though!
.

Yeah guys! It's only 1 trillion dollars and thousands of soldiers lives and broken families.

Jesus Christ right wingers are beyond the pale.

You fuckers need to apologize, NOW.

Dems ought to be grateful to Bush to preserving our country's existence since 2001. They're just incapable of it.

"Dems ought to be grateful to Bush for preserving our county's existence...."

All by himself, too. What a man.

"Dems ought to be grateful to Bush for preserving our county's existence...."

All by himself, too. What a man.

#183 | Posted by Zed

Flagged as newsworthy!!!!

What's that it was tongue-in-cheek? Too late own it you little closet Bush lover you

"Own it...."

I've been looking for the warranty papers.....

I don't suppose you'd accept the "We have a smart articulate guy now rather than a stupid inarticulate one"? Nah, of course not. Too fundamental.

#4 | Posted by Zed at 2009-10-23 10:28 AM | Reply | Flag Typical Lefty idiot flag who places more value in rhetoric than action.

$4.5 trillion now. It goes up by a trillion a week.

#174 | Posted by rightisright

not my number.. how about doing some research at the CBO?

I've had no respect for Noonan since her appearance on Morning Joe where she was talking up Palin and then when she thought the camera was off her she ripped into her.

Obama offers Millions in MUSLIM Technology Funds...
Fri Oct 23, 09 The White House highlighted a new Multi-million dollar technology fund for MUSLIM Nations following a pledge made by President Barack Obama in his landmark speech to the Islamic world.
In less than 9 months in the White House Obama broke a new world record,
yes that's right folks less than 9 months in the White House Obama broke a new world record of managing to spend, give or squander away 1.4 trillion dollars in less than 9 months, to the national defict, a new world record for any President for all times...

Where is the smart articulate guy in the White House folks???
Where is his promise to improve the economy folks??
Where is his allegence for America folks???
Where is jobs for Americans folks???
What is our nation coming to folks???
Who voted for Obama folks???
Who is going to vote for Obama next term folks???