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The NATO military alliance is a "decomposing" corpse that should be disbanded if it cannot find a winning strategy for the Afghan war, Canadian Gen. Rick Hillier writes in his new autobiography A Soldier First: Bullets: Bureaucrats and the Politics of War.

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But it's a profitable corpse and good for career enhancement.

When Hillier took command of the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) years later, "It was crystal clear from the start that there was no strategy for the mission in Afghanistan," he wrote.

Hillier lamented "pie-in-the-sky ideas for Afghanistan" that were not backed by firm strategies, clear articulation of goals, political guidance or combat forces. "It was abysmal," he said.
In the book, Hillier described the Iraq war as a "distraction" for the Americans. "Perhaps more importantly, the war in Iraq gave the Taliban heart at a time when it was largely beaten."

But the Taliban saw from the few successes of "ragtag insurgents" in Iraq that "Western military forces could be hurt and maybe even have their will to fight destroyed."

"They watched, learned and soon began applying the tactical lessons from Iraq in successfully attacking Western forces," Hillier wrote. The Afghan insurgency got its second wind.

Heck of a job, Bushie!

yep, trust the Canadians. :nod: :nod: :nod:

where are emoticons?

#1 | Posted by northguy3 at 2009-10-22 04:30 PM | Reply | Flag: Thinks hanging out there for the next 14 years will change things

He's right.

But the Canadian military isn't exactly what it once was either. Can't even stop foreign fisherman from raping their waters.

In the book, Hillier described the Iraq war as a "distraction" for the Americans. "Perhaps more importantly, the war in Iraq gave the Taliban heart at a time when it was largely beaten."

Most Taliban who would later form the Afghan insurgency were hiding in Pakistan, their leadership almost entirely killed or captured, militants "soundly beaten" in battles with US forces and their source of funding from Muslim world supporters drying up.

But the Taliban saw from the few successes of "ragtag insurgents" in Iraq that "Western military forces could be hurt and maybe even have their will to fight destroyed."

"They watched, learned and soon began applying the tactical lessons from Iraq in successfully attacking Western forces," Hillier wrote. The Afghan insurgency got its second wind.

There's a story about a dog with a bone in his mouth who comes upon a small bridge over quiet waters. The dog looks down and sees another dog with a bone in his mouth.

He barks at the other dog (his reflection) and loses both bones.

Is famous story.

Point to Spud bringing this up here is that as Hillier sez in his new book, Afghanistan was largely won when the decision to start a second front in Iraq was implemented.

Had the bone, just had to bring it home, so to speak.

By diverting resources and seriously underplanning both ventures now it seems both wars are imperilled.

As Iran increasingly pulls political strings in Iraq and the Taliban establish themselves firmly on both sides of the Afghani/Pakistani border causing political turmoil in that third country it becomes imperitive to either give one last serious effort at stabilising Afghanistan before international pressure, runaway costs and sheer fatigue causes the west to hafta withdraw or just get out and watch the place carefully thereafter.

Hilliers a good guy.

Spud respects him and his opinion.

He's often floated as a populist political candidate in some parts of the country but as his blunt speech in this post retirement biography indicate the guy is too brutally honest to make it in a modern PCfied political world.

More's the pity.

Be Well.

/Yup, this book is most definitely on Spud's Big List o' Books to Buy.

LorD; No, I think getting out of there is the best plan. All that's needed is for Karsick to cut a deal with his pashtun brothers as the pakis did in wazooistan.

Damn straight. Get out of NATO. NOW!!

Damn straight. Get out of NATO. NOW!!

Yes. Let's get out of the U.N. as well.

Get out of NATO. NOW!!

Great idea, but will the euroweenies still buy American military toys?

Great idea, but will the euroweenies still buy American military toys?

Does the idea of the industrial military complex being dismantled bother you?

Wurster-missed the sarcasm, did you?

If I understood him correctly I think I completely agree with him, massive amounts of troops should overwhelm Afghanistan, should make the Taliban history, but we aren't sending massive amounts of troops and thus we aren't seeing the desired results. We need to wash all of the Donald Rumsfeld ideas of "war on the cheap" out of our minds, war requires huge numbers of troops to insure victory. It is important that we win in Afghanistan, attacks against the US originated there, therefore we need MASSIVE amounts of troops to make sure that the groups who mounted attacks against the United STates are utterly destroyed.
If I were President Obama, I would agree to Gen. Mchrystal's plan and give him the troops requested but I would tell him....if you need 100,000 more troops I will make them available. We should demonstrate, because the world is watching, that an attack on American soil will result in an intense, never ending, attack on those who conducted such an attack. President Obama, I think, understands that truth. We'll see in the next few days.

"We should demonstrate, because the world is watching, that an attack on American soil will result in an intense, never ending, attack on those who conducted such an attack."

We're talking about the war with the taliban, most of whom couldn't find America on a map. Most couldn't find afghanistan, to be honest. You seem to be talking about invading saudi arabia.

Most al quedians have moved home, to Iraq or to pakistan.

got to the source of their funding. get this nation off saudi oil and the money for them will dry up. if saudi doen'st like it then take them out all but 9. also, clean out the paki military as most of them side with the taliban. same thing here, save 9. either fight to win or put up the white flag.

missed the sarcasm, did you?

I figured you're a closet con and everything you post is sarcasm.

Read all 15 posts and didn't see one asking why Canada needs a General in the first place.

You guys are slipping. You both know who you are.

The Canadian military has more generals than tanks, but are still more useful than than the Continentals.

Danni: If you believe what you post, write Obama. We have listened to you and he seems to be your only resource. Good luck. We are too ignorant.
But take heart, Danni: Ann Coulter got as much response from King George II as you will from Obama!

If I understood him correctly I think I completely agree with him, massive amounts of troops should overwhelm Afghanistan, should make the Taliban history, but we aren't sending massive amounts of troops and thus we aren't seeing the desired results. We need to wash all of the Donald Rumsfeld ideas of "war on the cheap" out of our minds, war requires huge numbers of troops to insure victory. It is important that we win in Afghanistan, attacks against the US originated there, therefore we need MASSIVE amounts of troops to make sure that the groups who mounted attacks against the United STates are utterly destroyed.
If I were President Obama, I would agree to Gen. Mchrystal's plan and give him the troops requested but I would tell him....if you need 100,000 more troops I will make them available. We should demonstrate, because the world is watching, that an attack on American soil will result in an intense, never ending, attack on those who conducted such an attack. President Obama, I think, understands that truth. We'll see in the next few days.

#12 | Posted by danni at 2009-10-22 08:28 PM | Reply | Flag: (X) Chickenhawk, 2009 version

No, I think getting out of there is the best plan.

#6 | Posted by northguy3 at 2009-10-22 04:50 PM

Then you and I agree.

Yes. Let's get out of the U.N. as well.

#8 | Posted by wurster

That would get my vote too. That is an orgasm run by a bunch of third world thugs.

"orgasm"

#21 | Posted by Sniper at 2009-10-23 10:33 AM | Reply | Flag: unintentionally funny

Canadian General: NATO's a Rotting Corpse

So Zombies CAN tell one another. Cool.

The big news here is that Canada has a military. Or rather has a General.

Problem with strategy in Afghanistan is that we are wasting time effort and money on rebuilding that place. Why build a school, post guards, when someone is going to blow it up with a bomb on a bicycle. You end up shooting innocent people on bicycles because yer paranoid.
The entire mission should revolve around killing Taliban - nothing else. Its probably the best long term solution.

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