The Federal Reserve: Don't worry! We'll be able to safely remove money from the supply so as not to cause problems.

Congress: PRINT US SOME MORE FUCKING MONEY!

the system is broken.

Actually, the national debt and deficit has done well under past Democrat presidents. Its only seen huge spikes under so called conservatives. The only difference now is that the current president walked into his term with two costly wars, huge tax cuts from the previous administration, and the threat of the greatest recession to depression since the 1920's...

Yes there are more people that helped Barry get elected out there!!! Bail them out!!! Woohooo! The Decline of the Western civilization is now showing on every news channel!!! Wooohoooo! Down the drain we go!!!!!

This is nothing but more propaganda designed to promote the socialist agenda of Obama.

Cheep election ploy buy the democrats - typical of how low hey will stoop to get what they want.

You libbies really don't know when to stop do you?

Sincerely,

#3|POSTED BY RIGHTISRIGHT AT 2009-10-21 06:55 PM|REPLY|FLAG: VERY FUNNY

Barack Hussein Obama -- Future generations will pay for this spree -- Look, another stimulus, weee! -- Mmm ... Mmm ... Mmm

Are these fuckers nuts? Heaven help us.

The only difference now is that the current president walked into his term with two costly wars, huge tax cuts from the previous administration

Football fans out there:

If your team gets a new head coach after a sub par season (or 8) are you happy that your team under the new coach starts out doing terrible as well?

How many seasons does that coach get a pass?

Seriously is there a date that Bush isn't responsible for the successes and low points in the Obama administration?

All right wingers do is whine

If the government is going to give money directly to the people, they should call it a 'tax credit.'

Really, no matter what they call it, it is digging the hole deeper. The Dollar will be worthless. The Dollar may last until tomorrow or ten years. It will crash. Unsustainable.

Timex, you're party is in power and instead of getting economic results all the party partisons are doing is whining about Bush.

Republicans can whine for another year, we are a non factor. We have NOTHING to do with ANYTHING that passes in Washington.

Let us sit here and whine and youre party can get to work by ignoring us and passing the legislation THEY WERE VOTED IN TO PASS.

"Seriously is there a date that Bush isn't responsible for the successes and low points in the Obama administration?"

Sure. When decisions Bush made no longer are effecting the following administration.

Which economy would you rather have inherited? The one Clinton left Bush, or the one Bush left Obama?

Montsman, a little hint: if you're going to pretend to satirize me, at least try not to sound like a 6th-grader.

That said--how did that first stimulus work out? Pretty good?

So when the economy rebounds can Bush be said to have been responsible?

That said--how did that first stimulus work out? Pretty good?

#12 | Posted by rightisright

You talking about Bush's $600 checks? Surely you're not talking about TARP, because the "Stimulus" is still being put into the system.

Sure. When decisions Bush made no longer are effecting the following administration.
Posted by Danforth

Like another Stimulus considering the present plan covers 2010? You really are a water carrier.

Republicans can whine for another year, we are a non factor. We have NOTHING to do with ANYTHING that passes in Washington.

Andy....

What's to stop Republicans? All they've done the last year is whine. Should be in good practice.

As to your second point all they're good at is "NO NO NO NO NO!!" No ideas.

Says the broken watch that talks about a $600.00 tax rebate and forgot about the $780B Boondoggle.
Go soak your fucking head, son.

I have to question more stimulus too. We have an economy with real problems and stimulating it won't fix it. We need real systemic changes, I think raising taxes on the wealthy with generous deductions for investment into industry within the United States that creates jobs, some sort of protections to American industry coupled with some protections for American industry is in order.
Maybe we should just pick an industry and declare only American made products will be available.
Make it autos, or make it TVs, just make it something that will require lots of workers.
The idea that "globalization" will be good for America is now a disproven, idiotic idea that we need to forget. Globalization will never be good for America until Americans want to live as the people do in the third world countries that corporations are shifting manufacturing to. Those corporations should be told, move your manufacturing then keep your shit. The longer we wait the weaker our power which results from our market gets. We need to exercise the power our market still has and tell manufacturers that we will not allow their cheaply made goods to come into the country without tariffs to eliminate the advantage they get by using cheap, foreign labor.
Our parents are shaking their heads at the stupid generation they raised.

"Montsman, a little hint: if you're going to pretend to satirize me, at least try not to sound like a 6th-grader.

That said--how did that first stimulus work out? Pretty good?"

#12 | Posted by rightisright

This is the first year I had a scottrade account.

Was kinda excited because I could see the economy getting ready for a dive and wanted to figure how to capitalize on that knowledge.

Never dabbled in stock trading before but I figured hell I bet I could make better decisions than the monkeys running my 401k plan.

I could have gone on vacation to the bahamas like I wanted but I put the money into the stock market. Sure it was only about 40K not a real good amount to play around with but I could afford to lose.

I made a bundle - after one year I have almost 60K and that is about a 50 percent return in one year. There was much opportunity to make money and I am all for a little democratic capitalism.

So yes I am glad that the economy is rebounding. I understand your warnings about the costs and it is well taken.

But your whining it just sounds like the right when they were bitching about FDR and his stimulus (or whatever they called it was deficit spending).

The right was wrong.

The right complained about how we should stay out of WW2 and leave Hitler alone.

The right was wrong again.

The only good thing that came from the right in that period of history was Wendle Wilke. At least he had the vision to realize a better way through a United Nations. Probably the equivalent of the Olympia Snowe of the 1940's.

So yes I am all for some more stimulus spending from Uncle Sam and this time they want to focus on job creation I say way past due! Lets get a job core like the old CCC where we put people to work and give them hope once again!

Hell yes!!

"Like another Stimulus considering the present plan covers 2010? You really are a water carrier."

Let me guess: you think if someone drives off the cliff, it's not his fault once he hands off the steering wheel, right?

Which economy would you have rather inherited? Clinton's, or Dubya's?

"That said--how did that first stimulus work out? Pretty good?"

Stock market just passed 10,000.
"Keep selling"
I have to wonder what it would be right now without TARP and the stimulus, what would unemployment be with failed banks????
We're enduring a recession, we avoided a depression and many who benefited are still whining about the things we needed to do to avoid it.

Which economy would you have rather inherited? Clinton's, or Dubya's?

#20 | Posted by Danforth

The question, along with this thread, deals with another stimulus, ace. Try to focus.

We're enduring a recession, we avoided a depression and many who benefited are still whining about the things we needed to do to avoid it.

#21 | Posted by danni

You might want to explain the difference between recession and depression to Joe Biden. Somebody let him speak in public again.

Says the broken watch that talks about a $600.00 tax rebate and forgot about the $780B Boondoggle.
Go soak your fucking head, son.

#17 | Posted by wisgod

Says someone who was all for that $600 check.

Didn't even realize he had sold his vote.

"You take the blue pill, the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes."

The question, along with this thread, deals with another stimulus, ace. Try to focus.

#22 | Posted by wisgod

See what he did there?

A little reluctant to answer the question.

The idea that "globalization" will be good for America is now a disproven, idiotic idea that we need to forget.

Agreed.

I think above all, if we want to set things right and get an honest deal for Americans, we need to dismantle the Fed and Congress needs to coin currency. Monetary policy is supposed to be a large part of the congress. Our fake money needs to be replaced before anything else would even be possible to truly 'reform.' We pay filthy rich investors interest on every Federal Reserve Note, just for them to print it.

Like a cancer, we can't just treat the symptoms. We need to treat the cancer. It will hurt, be we need to do it. Otherwise.....

Poor Teddy. Another Lefty who can't stay on topic. Bush? $600.00? Bwahaha. Pathetic. At least if you wanted to talk about $13.00 a week, you'd be talking about the current President. But I guess $312 per working adult is less than $600.00 per family, dumbfuck. Carry on.

Stimulus is firing everyone in Government associated with Goldman-Sachs and JPMorgan-Chase, jobs programs, health care reform, restoration of Democracy, SEC breakup of proprietary trading, and Government spending on infrastructure.

Anti-Stimulus is money for fraudsters, failure to prosecute fraudsters, military expansion, offshoring, failure to enforce immigration law, continuation of the policies of Bernanke, Geithner and Summers.

Start small, think about what they did to us and fire those three fuckers. Hire Brooksley Born. She'll clean up this mess in a hurry. Want to know more? Watch this weeks Frontline.

I don't know what the big fuss is all about? Everyone knows that government will take care of all our needs and desires. So "why cant we all just get along"?

Actually, the national debt and deficit has done well under past Democrat presidents. Its only seen huge spikes under so called conservatives. The only difference now is that the current president walked into his term with two costly wars, huge tax cuts from the previous administration, and the threat of the greatest recession to depression since the 1920's...

The calculations for our "budget surplus" from the clinton era included Social Security. Money that isn't even in the hands of government. That's like me saying I'm a millionaire because, one day, I'll have made a million dollars all-totaled.

You're not wrong to say that President Obama was handed a shit storm of epic proportions, but to claim that Bill Clinton had surpluses is just plain dishonest.

Even so, if I were a new President in my first year in office, I'd rather have the near-balanced-no-deficit budget of the clinton era than any of the shit pies left by the Bush Administration.

Our parents are shaking their heads at the stupid generation they raised.

Speak for yourself. I'm a member of the generation that looked at your generation and wondered what the point was. The "me" generation and their attitude is a huge reason for the shitty situation we find ourselves in.

So what'd you do with your $600? Pay your heating oil bill?

Was it worth it?

Dumbfuck.

Did you send yours back, asshole? Or are you just pissing in the wind tonight?

So what'd you do with your $600? Pay your heating oil bill?

Was it worth it?

so it was buying votes.....but anything Obama does is "stimulus" wait "much needed stimulus".

what is the difference?

I think we should lower the age limit to qualify for any Federal elective office. I know a few good 6 and 7 year old kids that can work cheaper, part-time and still do a better job.

Actually, I did.

What's the point to saying that, though. You don't believe it.

My, my, my. You are so sensitive lately, Wis. You once seemed a little more centered.

Life has not been so kind I guess.

The calculations for our "budget surplus" from the clinton era included Social Security. Money that isn't even in the hands of government. That's like me saying I'm a millionaire because, one day, I'll have made a million dollars all-totaled.

You're not wrong to say that President Obama was handed a shit storm of epic proportions, but to claim that Bill Clinton had surpluses is just plain dishonest.

You better get over to the Congressional Budget Office and convince them to amend their figures.

The Clinton years showed the effects of a large tax increase that Clinton pushed through in his first year, and that Republicans incorrectly claim is the "largest tax increase in history." It fell almost exclusively on upper-income taxpayers. Clinton's fiscal 1994 budget also contained some spending restraints. An equally if not more powerful influence was the booming economy and huge gains in the stock markets, the so-called dot-com bubble, which brought in hundreds of millions in unanticipated tax revenue from taxes on capital gains and rising salaries.

Clinton's large budget surpluses also owe much to the Social Security tax on payrolls. Social Security taxes now bring in more than the cost of current benefits, and the "Social Security surplus" makes the total deficit or surplus figures look better than they would if Social Security wasn't counted. But even if we remove Social Security from the equation, there was a surplus of $1.9 billion in fiscal 1999 and $86.4 billion in fiscal 2000. So any way you count it, the federal budget was balanced and the deficit was erased, if only for a while.

You are so sensitive lately, Wis. You once seemed a little more centered.

Life has not been so kind I guess.

#36 | Posted by TedBaxter

It's been great. It would be even better if your Party in Power had taken an accounting class in grade school.

Yeah, better go with jackhammer-ready projects.

Why don't we just discuss the Charge up San Juan Hill or the Battle of Little Bighorn? That didn't cost a dime and you Liberal fucks could ignore present times. What say? Stimulated?

"The question, along with this thread, deals with another stimulus, ace. Try to focus."

And you actually believe any stimulus that might be needed has nothing to do with the economy Bush left Obama? Really?!?

And you actually believe any stimulus that might be needed has nothing to do with the economy Bush left Obama? Really?!?

#41 | Posted by Danforth

For the love of god. We are T a l k i n g
a b o u t
a n o t h e r
S t i m u l a s!

And I mis-spelled it Danfroth. There's your out.

You poor Liberal Bastards are going to have a hard time when you figure out it's 2009. Goodnight and hug your children.

How stupid is another stimulus when only 16 billion of the original stimulus has been spent so far? We are already paying interest on the 789 billion of the original stimulus so use it!

The Dem's are just filling up their war chest. I don't know another way to explain it. Obama said stimulus was "Spending" but they have only spent 16 billion of the 789 billion? How do you pay 500 million dollars a DAY in interest on that 789 billion and not spend it to help the economy recover?

If you think that 16 billion had anything to do with the stock market going back up to 10,000 then you are mistaken.

Please link me to the proof that the stimulus and tarp had direct results of the stock market going up.

I enjoy reading the post by people who continue to blame the Bush administration even after 10 months and Obama matching the 8 year Bush deficit in only 10 months.

Do you people even remember 9/11? I don't fully agree with the reason's for going into Iraq but do you people really feel that nothing should have been done?

Why hasn't Obama ended both wars? He's still sending more and more troops to Afghanistan but I don't hear the war crowd complaining. So to complain about Bush's war spending is idiotic if you are not going to complain about Obama expanding the war in Afghanistan.

I have to question more stimulus too. We have an economy with real problems and stimulating it won't fix it.

#18 | Posted by danni at 2009-10-21 08:10 PM

Cuts through the rest of the bull shit quite nicely.

After Stimulus: 49 of 50 States Have Fewer Jobs!

SIX MILLION Jobs Shy of Administrations' Projections.

#11-----Danforth, the one Reagan left Clinton.

#11-----Danforth, the one Reagan left Clinton.

Don't you mean the one Reagan left H.W. Bush, the one that allowed Clinton to win?

Yep, he left it to both of them.

"Don't you mean the one Reagan left H.W. Bush, the one that allowed Clinton to win?"

What...you're invoking the Dubya rule? After 8 years, nothing is his fault?!?

In a word, no. Clinton is responsible for the economy he left for Dubya, and Dubya for the one he left Obama.

"Don't you mean the one Reagan left H.W. Bush, the one that allowed Clinton to win?"

What...you're invoking the Dubya rule? After 8 years, nothing is his fault?!?
In a word, no. Clinton is responsible for the economy he left for Dubya, and Dubya for the one he left Obama.
#51 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-10-21 11:00 PM

The rtards are ineffectual at self-critique but resoundingly popular at self-preferential rhetoric, so why bother being honest? Their simply not used to that level of demanding analysis.

wisgod - it's a pity you couldn't have put any of that bile to use on BushCo when it would have prevented these perpetuating catastrophes. How long did it take you to realize it was the loan re-packaging and not the subprime lending that invented the mortgage bubble? Slow-ass rtard. Republicans unanimously vote for these "stimulus", but health care reform is a bridge too far? You can take this "stimulus" and shove it.

Saying Bush left Obama a shitty economy doesn't necessarily mean another round of stimulus is needed. I agree with Danni, there are fundamental problems with our economy and short term gains aren't going to pull us out of the shitter. Maybe we should talk about another round when the first one has been spent by say 75% or something.

What...you're invoking the Dubya rule?

No I'm not, post #48 infers that the booming economy of the Clinton years was due to Reagan. I was simply pointing out that if that is the case, then he also was responsible for the rough patch in 91-92 that caused H.W. to be a one-termer.

"Saying Bush left Obama a shitty economy doesn't necessarily mean another round of stimulus is needed. I agree with Danni, there are fundamental problems with our economy and short term gains aren't going to pull us out of the shitter. Maybe we should talk about another round when the first one has been spent by say 75% or something"

I agree as well, but pretending the folks who got us into this mess didn't really get us in this mess is bullshit. Bush was given true surplus budgets as far as the eye could see, and left record deficits as far as the eye could see.

"#11-----Danforth, the one Reagan left Clinton."

What a pile of apologist shit. Clinton was left deficits by the guy in between he & Reagan, remember?

"How stupid is another stimulus when only 16 billion of the original stimulus has been spent so far?"

T-Man

Where do you right wingers get your information?

This gay rights stuff has gone too far. Everytime they say "stimulus" I get bent over and sodomized by the federal government.

pretending the folks who got us into this mess didn't really get us in this mess is bullshit. Bush was given true surplus budgets as far as the eye could see, and left record deficits as far as the eye could see.

#55 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-10-21 11:33 PM

All ya Kool-Aid Drinkers are done. Cooked up and fried. Home-Style! Sucker's.

You better get over to the Congressional Budget Office and convince them to amend their figures.

Not necessary. Even fact checking sites can be wrong, sometimes.

In Fiscal Year 2009 (FY09), the U. S. Government spent $383 Billion of your money on interest payments to the holders of the National Debt

The Federal Reserve: Don't worry! We'll be able to safely remove money from the supply so as not to cause problems.
Congress: PRINT US SOME MORE FUCKING MONEY!
the system is broken.

#1 | POSTED BY AXIOM

without stimulus we would be in serious trouble.

Do you think Joe Biden will be able to use his share of stimulus money to buy a clue?

We're enduring a recession, we avoided a depression and many who benefited are still whining about the things we needed to do to avoid it.

#21 | POSTED BY DANNI

sorry Danni.. we haven't 'avoided' anything yet. The reason we are still experiencing a recession instead of a depression is due to stimulus money. Once the coin is spent, which will be soon..look out.

I for one am pro Obama, but being a student of Economics..this "ain't" over yet.

without stimulus we would be in serious trouble.

#63 | Posted by Legio

Yeah, unemployment would have peaked at 9% instead of 8, numbskull.

"without stimulus we would be in serious trouble."

Speak for yourself. Which type "stimulus" are you using, skin movies, Viagra or Cialis?

I agree as well, but pretending the folks who got us into this mess didn't really get us in this mess is bullshit. Bush was given true surplus budgets as far as the eye could see, and left record deficits as far as the eye could see.

#55 | Posted by Danforth
* * * *

Uh huh. And when Obama decides to act less like Bush and more like Clinton, let us know.

We're enduring a recession, we avoided a depression and many who benefited are still whining about the things we needed to do to avoid it.

#21 | POSTED BY DANNI
* * * *

What is your definition of depression? In your mind, where does a recession stop, and depression begin?

This is already the longest recession in the postwar period. The fastest doubling of the unemployment rate since 1937. The sharpest contraction in housing prices in history. The sharpest drop in new credit since 1933. In 2008, I kept hearing references to the "Bush Depression". Now--not so much, considering conditions are worse today.

Wonder why that is.

"This gay rights stuff has gone too far. Everytime they say "stimulus" I get bent over and sodomized by the federal government."

How so??? You haven't had a tax increase. I think you just like to whine.

"Bush was given true surplus budgets as far as the eye could see, and left record deficits as far as the eye could see."

The Bush administration spent like drunken sailors but you gotta get real, Danny. That "surplus" never really existed. It was PROJECTED for ten years IF, I say IF revenue didn't decrease and spending didn't increase. Well, we had the "dot com" crash and a recession which took care of the revenue part and then 9/11 and the Bush spending spree which took care of the spending part. After all, if his budget deficits caused you heartburn, you should be developing ulcers with Obama's.

"The "stimulus" bill alone will create more debt (approximately $1 trillion including interest costs), than Bush's first three years of budget deficits combined ($948 billion). And adding the "stimulus" bill to a realistic budget baseline yields a projected 2010-2017 cumulative budget deficit of $8.4 trillion. 2.5 times the size of President Bush's deficits over the same 8-year time period.
Of course, Bush inherited a better economy than Obama (although the 9/11 attacks and the 2001 recession did present budgetary challenges). However, governing is about making choices, and Obama has not yet shown any more stomach for deficit reduction than Bush did."

"What is your definition of depression? In your mind, where does a recession stop, and depression begin?"

Heaven forbid she look at the GDP numbers the last few quarters.

no president ever experienced 9/11 other than bush and do you think that is still not effecting our economy?

without stimulus we would be in serious trouble.

We won't know the results of the stimulus until next year.

you mean they never had ANY INTENTION of the stimulus working until

well..right before elections in 2010 and 2012..
and the unempoyment figure..hell obama doesnt give a fuck about them
just like the men and women in afghanistan while he dances at the white house and meets for TWO AND HALF FUCKIN HOURS WITH KIETH OLBERmAN and others..

We won't know the results of the stimulus until next year.

#74 | Posted by Axiom

Is that when the Goverment open employment positions will be completely filled?

"just like the men and women in afghanistan while he dances at the white house and meets for TWO AND HALF FUCKIN HOURS WITH KIETH OLBERmAN and others.."

Didn't George Bush enjoy recreation while men and women in Iraq and Afghanistan were dying???
Hell, he spent 1/3 of his time on vacation.
I seem to remember too that he invited all the right wing media liars to the White House and met with them for at least as long as 2-1/2 hours.

Can Obama do anything that you wouldn't try to pretend was unpatriotic or some other way bad???

When you hate the man so much your rants become laughable.
The foam forming at the corners of your mouth is very unattractive.

"When you hate the man so much your rants become laughable.
The foam forming at the corners of your mouth is very unattractive."

From the keyboard of danni?

WOW, if you could eat irony world hunger issues would just have been solved.

"Seriously is there a date that Bush isn't responsible for the successes and low points in the Obama administration?"

Sure. When decisions Bush made no longer are effecting the following administration.

Which economy would you rather have inherited? The one Clinton left Bush, or the one Bush left Obama?

#11 | Posted by Danforth

The Democrats controlled the House since the 2006 elections. Bush signed into law what the Democrats in the House gave him. So, 6 years of rule, followed by 2 for the Dems.

What debt did President Obama inherit that the Dems in the House didn't create?

SHHHHHH Petrous, Congress didn't control spending under President Bush, where've you been?

Anyone notice how all the Libbies are having a tougher time defending their Party these days? You can gauge it by the Bush deflections.

#80 | Posted by andyuhenet

SHHHHHH Petrous, Congress didn't control spending under President Bush, where've you been?
------------------------------ -------

SHHHHH andyuhenet, The Democrats created Welfare, IRS, Federal Reserve, Social Security, SEC, OSHA, EPA, HHS, Medicaid, Medicare, Dempartment of Energey, and the Dempartment of Education just to name a few, but the Republicans are responsible for the national debt.

#82, exactly.

Andy doesn't remember Bush and Republicans cutting taxes during two wars for the first time in American history. Of course, that has nothing to do with the debt. No, of course not. Estimated cost???
2.5 trillion over ten years.

"WOW, if you could eat irony world hunger issues would just have been solved."

You wouldn't know irony if it bit you on the ass.

You wouldn't know irony if it bit you on the ass.

The one thing to remember about irony is that it can be pretty ironic sometimes.

"You wouldn't know irony if it bit you on the ass."

=

Must...

Not..

Look...

Into...

Mirror...

Strain...

Strain...

Straaaaaaain...

At some point the Fed is going to have to tighten up fiscal policy, this will include raising interest rates and stopping the government from doleing out tons of cash. When this happens expect the economy to react in a VERY UNFAVORABLE manner.

I heard an economics professors liken it to a junkie getting off heroin. The pain must come to clean out the system. What does this mean? I think we are in for a double dip recession.

Is that when the Goverment open employment positions will be completely filled?

That's when the lefties on this site said the Administration said it would take affect.

$787 billion and 30k jobs. That was a smashing success. But we arn't sure there were even 30k new jobs.

So because Bush started 2 wars Obama gets a clean slate. I don't really think Danni is this dumb so I won't hold her comments against her.

"The sharpest drop in new credit since 1933. In 2008, I kept hearing references to the "Bush Depression". Now--not so much, considering conditions are worse today.

Wonder why that is."

#69 | Posted by rightisWRONGAGAIN

That is about the lamest of dirty tricks of the new right - the way they try to REWRITE HISTORY.

In the REWRITE WINGNUT VERSION of history it is called the 'OBAMA DEPRESSION' and not the Bush Depression.

In the REWRITE RIGHTWINGNITWIT VERSION of history NIXON ended the Vietnam War. (they leave out the part where he expanded the war greater than any other president but then the story doesn't SOUND as good!)

Perhaps the reason you are hearing less about the BUSH DEPRESSION is because you stay in your little wingnut bubble universe and the only voices you are listening to are coming from inside your head?

But back in the real world MOST citizens are happy Obama is DOING something, ANYTHING to reverse the Bush mess EVEN GOPhers I speak to are saying this.

But you don't have to worry about that - you quit the GOP to become closer to the extremists that are being paid LESS AND LESS attention with each passing day!

Blame and accuse Bush is all we hear from Obama's failures, and the more he fails, the more billions and trillions the stupid moron hands over fist just freely gives away, to what or to who???
A dry hole in the ground that will never ever fill up or produce, but cost and asurredly put every American in the poor house, and devalue every dollar, while continuing to contribute to more and more unemployment.
B.H.O doesn't have the brains of governing a stinking hog pen, he'd most likely starve them to death, and end up having to go into bankruptcy.

Oh but all his brainwashed supporters would still end up blaming Bush for that for years to come...

I can hear them all now, yes Obama would have made a killing off the hog farm if Bush hadn't screwed up the hog market... Stupidity, ignorance, any child in America, or any Nation, could do a much better job of keeping our nation from destruction, and poverty than Obamanation has or ever will...

Obamas failures? he hasn't even been in office for ONE FRIGGING YEAR MAN!

Obamas failures? he hasn't even been in office for ONE FRIGGING YEAR MAN!

It doeesn't take a year to break a campaign promise. A broken promise is a failure, IMO

# 94 BY MONSTMAN obama's failures? he hasn;t been in office for one F year man!

That's right only in office 9 months, Sept. 30 was end of fiscal year and he managed to break a new record, the annual deficit stood at a new record breaking 1.4 trillion dollars he accumulated in nine months!!!
That's quite a feat to accomplish.
Don't you agree that is a giant failure???
If you don't then start sending him your paycheck and pay it off, I'm tired of paying your debt, apparently you voted for him...

Here comes America, the Banana Republic.

Stimulate my ballz.

The previous stimulus is already gone. The gov and wall street are just grabbing more coin to invest in hard assets before the dollar flops. That way, they can still lead a cushy life after the fall.

I went to the doctor a few days ago for a checkup. I have elevated cholestorol and blood pressure. My job has become less physically demanding and more sit-on-your-ass. I'm starting to put on a few pounds, and I can feel it.

So this morning, I woke up and made the usual coffee. Then, I chopped some onion, tomato and some previously peeled green pepper. I added olive oil to my skillet instead of the usual tsp of butter and bacon grease. I turned on the burner and got the pan good and hot.

sauteed the vegetables until they were soft, threw in the eggs. flip. eat. pretty good. I could continue this...maybe some mixed fruit occasionally.

The point is, I was starting to get unhealthy. I knew it. Trained professionals that I paid to tell me these things knew it, and told me. Yet when the paid, trained professionals tell our representatives that we're broke and will continue to be running huge deficits for several years (according to the current President's people), their answer is to create more debt.

The patient is on a respirator, pace maker installed and dialysis is running. Please don't put the fucking pillow over his face.

Be glad we now have a President who told Congress health care reform must be deficit neutral, rather than like the last bunch that testified Medicare Part D would cost $100 billion when the WH KNEW it was a trillion or started a war they said would cost $50 billion and will end up at a couple trillion.

And no one in the WH saying "Ronald Reagan proved deficits don't matter" (Dick Cheney)

Be glad we now have a President who told Congress health care reform must be deficit neutral, rather than like the last bunch that testified Medicare Part D would cost $100 billion when the WH KNEW it was a trillion or started a war they said would cost $50 billion and will end up at a couple trillion.

Yeah. Tell me another lie. It's early in the day and I haven't made it to work to get my fill yet.

"Government doesn't create any programs that save money and they're not going to do it this time either."

Maybe not in the short term. But finding a counterpoint to the health costs increasing at 4x the inflation rate (say, a 3% annual rise instead of a 13% annual rise from the insurance companies) will, very soon, save us trillions over what the government would have otherwise been on the hook for.

Remember, this is very different from Social Security, which is tied, more or less, to the inflation rate. Over the last decade, inflation rose 31.5%, while health costs rose 131%. And since government is currently on the hook for 40% of the insured, with that number slated to rise as the baby boomers move to Medicare (the first ones start in a matter of months, not years), another decade of the same 4x inflation costs for health will doom us. And due to the sheer size, even small percentage savings will translate into big dollars.

"If we have the power to simply order Americans to
buy certain products, why did we need a Cash-for-
Clunkers program or the upcoming program providing
rebates for purchasing energy appliances? We could
simply require Americans to buy certain cars,
dishwashers or refrigerators."
-Sen Orin Hatch, 10-01-2009, on the
upcoming healthcare bill requiring
Americans to buy healthcare insurance

#83 | Posted by andyuhenet
#82, exactly.
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Also andyuhenet from 1939 to present there have been 35 Congresses, the Republicans controlled roughly about 7 of them.

I for one am pro Obama, but being a student of Economics..this "ain't" over yet.

#65 | Posted by Legio at 2009-10-22 09:16 AM | Reply | Flag

for Obama and student of economics hmmmmm...failing student for sure.

Geither wants the executive to have unlimited fundsfor the future--- TARP on steroids.

"for Obama and student of economics hmmmmm...failing student for sure."

Yes...you are.

Reread #104 as often as it takes to learn why.

Democrat trick to reduce cost of health care regulations defeated in Senate

Democrats lost a big test vote on health care legislation on Wednesday as the Senate blocked action on a bill to increase Medicare payments to doctors at a cost of $247 billion over 10 years. ...

By addressing doctors' fees in a separate bill, Senate Democrats could hold down the cost of the broader health legislation, keeping it within the limits set by President Obama. House Democrats are considering a similar tactic. Republicans said it was a transparent ploy to hide the cost of a health care overhaul.

Democrats had hoped that by passing the Medicare bill they could appease doctors and secure their support for the broader legislation. ...

And this has WHAT to do with the topic of stimulus spending?