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A revised formula for calculating medical costs and geographic variations show that approximately 47.4 million Americans last year lived in poverty, 7 million more than the government's official figure.

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"A revised formula for calculating medical costs and geographic variations show that approximately 47.4 million Americans last year lived in poverty"

Last Year?

Obama, obama, obama. Socialism, socialism, socialism.

Sincerely

The Morons at fox nation

Just further proof of the success of trickle down economics.

It's not Obama's fault this lazy fucks won't pickup a shovel after he spent $780B on shovel ready jobs.

this=these.

Nobody Panic! 726 is absolutely right, they're just taking longer to trickle down than we thought! It's still coming we swear, and we're still the only party of Jebus

brought to you by repugs, of course.

It's not Obama's fault this lazy fucks won't pickup a shovel after he spent $780B on shovel ready jobs.
#3 | Posted by wisgod at 2009-10-21 12:59 PM

Link please.

The internal third worldification of America continues apace.

Neo-fuedalism sucks ass.

Do not want.

Be Well.

This isn't a political party, this is our country.

We are rapidly becoming a nation of poor, 2 million a year increase for the last 6 years at least and what is either party doing....not a damn thing.

Well folks, just keep ignoring this and suddenly we can say how did we become india?

"Well folks, just keep ignoring this and suddenly we can say how did we become india?"

India??? Our jobs are going to India. I think it will be more like Mexico.

Equal work means equal pay.

MMM MMM MM

Greed it's what's killing America.

It's not Obama's fault this lazy fucks won't pickup a shovel after he spent $780B on shovel ready jobs.
#3 | Posted by wisgod at 2009-10-21 12:59 PM

Wasn't there a thread glorifying Obama where they touted spending hundreds of thousands to save or create 30k jobs?

Just the way God wants it. Besides, how could we keep the Pentagon fat and happy AND take care of our poor?
Also, too, Israel and Iraq need us to pay for their socialised medicine.

The Right
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"Wasn't there a thread glorifying Obama where they touted spending hundreds of thousands to save or create 30k jobs?"

At most, wouldn't that work out to about $30 a job? Geez, Halliburton charges the Pentagon that much for a can of Coke.

Ain't it great that they get to write the rules for who is in poverty so they can push their adjenda forward.

Their fiscal policies are the reason for the recession in the first place which is the reason for the 15% unemployment. It ain't just the little o, Bush wasn't much better. They both spend like they have access to all the money in the world.

Just further proof of the success of trickle down economics.

#2 | Posted by 726

Is that the little o's policy? Trickle down? It looks to me like he is robbing from the middle class and giving it to the rich and the poor. It sounds more like "trickle both ways along with a power grab".

7 million extra people with only basic cable. It's a sin.

The internal third worldification of America continues apace.

Neo-fuedalism sucks ass.

#7 | Posted by dethspud

Now that is a big switch from the little o supporter you were a year ago.


Just further proof of the success of trickle down economics.

#2 | Posted by 726

Is that the little o's policy? Trickle down? It looks to me like he is robbing from the middle class and giving it to the rich and the poor. It sounds more like "trickle both ways along with a power grab".

#15 | Posted by Sniper at 2009-10-22 10:12 AM

Was he President LAST YEAR?

A revised formula

Oh. Well in that case, I just revised the formula again, and it looks like 100% of Americans are living in poverty. Isn't math cool?

"It ain't just the little o, Bush wasn't much better."

Wasn't much better????

Get real Sniper, he created the disaster for Obama to try and clean up and most Americans are fully aware of that fact.

The article says that it's "7 million more than the government's offical figure"

I read the article and it says that the major increase comes from peole 65 and older

About 18.7 percent of Americans 65 and older, or nearly 7.1 million, are in poverty compared to 9.7 percent, or 3.7 million, under the traditional measure. That's due to out-of-pocket expenses from rising Medicare premiums, deductibles and a coverage gap in the prescription drug benefit.

How is the current health care reform going to help this? With Medicare cuts, won't this number continue to increase?

Are illegal's included in these new numbers?

They talk about more people being included in the poverty level because of child cost so why are we allowing people within the poverty level to have children? I know that some will lash out that people should make their own decisions on when to have a child but then don't they put themselves into that poverty level?

Some of it comes down to personal responsibility. Remove choice from the equation an the number would probably drop by half.

There is a social component of this and it can be address but everyone has to stand up and take responsibility for it to work.

The elderly, mentally/physically handicap have my sympothy along with the children brought into proverty.

This also makes you wonder why the US spends millions in foreign aid to impoverished nations when we need it right here in our own country.

Could someone point out the last time they saw on TV program that solicits money to help the poor of America?

Could it be that the poor they show on TV are dirt poor, really poor, piss-poor, compared to the poor of the US?

We care more about the poor overseas than our own.
Why?

Could it be that overseas, it's a heck of a lot worse than what it is here.

Why isn't Sally Struthers talking about the poor in the US?

India??? Our jobs are going to India. I think it will be more like Mexico.

#9 | Posted by danni

The jobs are going to India and the Mexicans are comming here. WTF over.

Was he President LAST YEAR?

#18 | Posted by 726

Open your eyes and look what is going on this year. Pull your head out of your ass for a change.

95% of the worlds poor would think our poor are rich.

"95% of the worlds poor would think our poor are rich."

I'm sure that will make poor Americans feel much better.

And 20 million more than under Bush.

You can't blame this mbarrassing blot on humanity onto the LEGITIMATELY elected president. This sad statistic, exacerbated by corporate computers, falls directly on Bush shoulders. herm

#28 | Posted by herm at 2009-10-22 12:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

HERM still thinks is 2000. You sound like a birther HERM - whoops that's impossible. You sound like an aborter HERM. There, that's better.

Go put your dentures in and eat your oatmeal you old piece of shit. Found that quick and dignified way yet?

Cidney, as usual, calls names. S/he's never yet offered a FACT. herm

Never mind about that, perpetual war is the answer.

Open your eyes and look what is going on this year. Pull your head out of your ass for a change.

#24 | Posted by Sniper at 2009-10-22 11:31 AM

Oh I am sure that the Bush recession is driving that number up.

Never mind about that, perpetual war is the answer.


Sure how else can the US pay $400 per gallon for gas in Afghanistan?

Someone is making some good scratch, doubtful that it is the middle class.

Can we go back to ignoring these issues and continue debating real problems like terrorist screening at airports and how much CEO's are making?

On another note, I'm surprised to not see any bible quotes on this thread. Something to the effect of the meek shall inherit the earth.....

Seriously though, Barack tries to start with just making the poor healthy and that's too much for some. How are we going to effect real change?

Someone is making some good scratch, doubtful that it is the middle class.

#33 | Posted by 726 at 2009-10-22 12:36 PM | Reply

Obama's buddies at Haliburton, right?

Cidney, as usual, calls names. S/he's never yet offered a FACT. herm

#30 | Posted by herm at 2009-10-22 12:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

FACT: Welfare has not accomplished its mission set out in 1930.

How about that you old fart.

Liberal social engineerg policies = fail. FACT

Clinton himself saw this in 96. Now big ears is going to change it back with the Economic Stimulus act.

Your belief in that tired old methodology is well old and tired. Get a new hat HERM. Yours doesn't fit so well. Oh and for good measure - your a shit. (gotta keep up with your high expectations of me).

So long as society, and ESPECIALLY the governmnet spend more we make, things will get worse and worse.

No amount of regulation will save us.
No amount of DE-regulation will save us.
No amount of social programs will save us.
No reduction in the amount of social programs will save us.
Blaming bush, and getting thrills listening to Obama will not save us.

Only spending less and less until spending is LESS than revenue, and 100% of excess is applied to debt can save us.

(Having said that, deregulation, and fewer entitlements could help move us in the right direction)

Obama's buddies at Haliburton, right?

Is any other company so ensconced in the US Government Constant War Machine as Halliburton and it's no-bid contracts?

"Only spending less and less until spending is LESS than revenue, and 100% of excess is applied to debt can save us."

Baloney. That's just a recipe for a depressionl. We need to raise the tax rates back to where they were before we started running deficits. We had the strongest economy in the world then. Gee, think there's a connection???? Duh.

Only spending less and less until spending is LESS than revenue, and 100% of excess is applied to debt can save us.


And your proposal to revive a stalled economy due to lack of private spending is to spend less?

Brilliant!

Once the recession is over (yes it isn't no matter what wall street says) then the government needs to get itself in the position to begin paying down the debt. Too bad when things were supposedly good under W, that was not done.

However, until employment and real wage growth happen the economy will never recover.

Until the fundamental flaw in this economy that was masked by real estate bubble growth is addressed this nation will not recover. Taxes will be less than expenses and the pressure to keep spending high and taxes low will stay in place.

Eventually though it will be fixed. It will be painful cuts and tax increases but it will be fixed. If one thing is clear with the way our governemnt works nowadays is that real small changes that could be made are put off in the name of partisanship until a massive fix is needed.

"FACT: Welfare has not accomplished its mission set out in 1930. How about that you old fart. Liberal social engineerg policies = fail. FACT... and for good measure - your a shit."

You're, Cidney. My remarks are unblemished. You're (sic) not even close to a fact. FDR policies kept the nation from going under. "Liberal social engineering policies" are buzzwords that the great unwashed employed when they want to hate something but don't know how to spell it out. And speaking of shit, Cidney ... herm

I bet 80% of population on this Earth would pay to become poor in this country. However, get use to it-it is coming for most of the population here soon enough if Marxists continue to suck it to us

And speaking of shit, Cidney ... herm

#41 | Posted by herm at 2009-10-22 01:12 PM | Reply |

Looks like hermaphrodite had to cut his thoughts short in order to get a diaper...errrr...Depends change.

Sriously old man, how much longer do you plan on sucking up resources that this over-crowded earth so desperately needs for it's young and productive members?

I adjusted the numbers using the Somalian definition of poverty and it turns out there are only 500 people actually living below the poverty level.

"if Marxists continue to suck it to us"

I think Glenn Beck infects far too many Americans. We need a vaccine. Marxists????? Federal income taxes are lower right now than any time in the past 70 years.

Federal income taxes are lower right now than any time in the past 70 years.

#45 | Posted by danni

Income tax on companies in the US are some of the highest in the world. That is why companies are leaving the US!!! Get a clue!!!

"Income tax on companies in the US are some of the highest in the world."

Very misleading talking point, I don't know if you really don't know or are just dishonest, but American tax rates may be high but the amount of tax actually paid is very low. It has nothing to do with the reason American companies outsource jobs in cheap labor countries.

Very misleading talking point, I don't know if you really don't know or are just dishonest, but American tax rates may be high but the amount of tax actually paid is very low. It has nothing to do with the reason American companies outsource jobs in cheap labor countries.

#47 | Posted by danni at 2009-10-22 01:35 PM

I think Obama has put a stop to offshore/overseas accounts as of this month or last. He also removed any incentives for Companies to use overseas labor.

With this in place, US companies will have the one of the highest comporate taxes in the world and companies will have to leave the US in order to compete in a global market.

"With this in place, US companies will have the one of the highest comporate taxes in the world and companies will have to leave the US in order to compete in a global market."

Baloney. Most companies outsource jobs but stay here in the US. A few, like Haliburton leave, good riddance. If they do then they should keep whatever products they make too and be barred from working for our government. We protect the seas, Exxon's ships sail those seas, Exxon needs to help pay for that protection. If they don't want to pay income tax, fine, charge them a tariff high enough to pay for our military, our infrastructure and everything else the government supplies that enables them to do business outside the US and import goods into the US.

"He also removed any incentives for Companies to use overseas labor."

How did he do that??? I must have missed something.

Baloney. Most companies outsource jobs but stay here in the US. A few, like Haliburton leave, good riddance. If they do then they should keep whatever products they make too and be barred from working for our government. We protect the seas, Exxon's ships sail those seas, Exxon needs to help pay for that protection. If they don't want to pay income tax, fine, charge them a tariff high enough to pay for our military, our infrastructure and everything else the government supplies that enables them to do business outside the US and import goods into the US.

#49 | Posted by danni at 2009-10-22 01:58 PM

Are you realling that naive? You really think that forcing companies to pay higher operating cost and taxes will not trickle down to the consumers?

We might protect the seas but I don't think we send military escorts for Exxon's ships. If an Exxon ship is damange or destroyed while in transit, won't the sea suffer the most? Maybe we shouldn't allow any Oil companies to ship oil on boats. Btw, Exxon does hire private security companies to ride along on their overseas shipments for protection.

You only named a couple of major companies. What happen's to companies like Microsoft who doesn't need US protection but can just as well operate outside the country? I guess you would then ban them from importing their goods?

"We might protect the seas but I don't think we send military escorts for Exxon's ships."

You watch how fast the Navy is there to protect one if someone tries to hijack it. We make the seas safe for the whole world with some help from other nations but not all that much really.

"Are you realling that naive? You really think that forcing companies to pay higher operating cost and taxes will not trickle down to the consumers?"

"The Basics
Most companies paid no taxes during the boom

With corporate tax receipts at 20-year low, the GAO takes a look through the books and finds 94% of all U.S. companies paid less than 5% -- and 61% paid nothing at all."

moneycentral.msn.com

You fell for a talking point. That's why I told you tax rates may be high, companies are not paying much in taxes though.

Kinda figured T Man wouldn't be back in this thread.

"I think Glenn Beck infects far too many Americans. We need a vaccine. Marxists?????"

...well, I really meant commies, however, since you have no clue about either one, then idiots in the WH will suffice. As to the vaccine, I'm afraid that even the best of it will not help to cure your hopeless nave view of the World so please do not let me interrupt your California dreaming as the song goesit won't make any difference anyway.

Yeah Liberty there's commies under every bush.

Paranoia strikes deep
into your heart it will creep....

If they don't want to pay income tax, fine, charge them a tariff high enough to pay for our military, our infrastructure and everything else the government supplies that enables them to do business outside the US and import goods into the US.

#49 | Posted by danni at 2009-10-22 01:58 PM

I agree. Either they operate here and employ Americans or they get penalized with tariffs so high that their products don't sell here. I'm sure an American company will step in and fill the void. Actually we should do this to every industry where a factory in America produces a good that competes with a foreign manufactured item. Make it a better buy to buy American rather than Chinese.

You realise of course that you can make $60,000 and still be below the poverty level?

aspe.hhs.gov

It is based on assumptions of the number of people in your family on a sliding scale.

And it is not sensitized to the area where you live.

2nd - It doesn't count the transfer of wealth that is taking place via the various government social programs.

The estimate that Social Security benefits for those in the poorest fifth of the population totaled $100 billion in 2005. Medicare provided another $115 billion, and educating the children of low-income families cost $105 billion more. (These figures do not measure total spending on these programs but only the expenditures benefiting those in the lowest fifth of the income distribution.) To these sums we may add $40 billion in uncompensated medical care and $78 billion in private charity.

Total is over 1 TRILLION dollars - more than TWICE the total for all Military expenses...more than what we take in from income tax revenue.

Also this rate is 1/2 the number of people listed in Poverity in 1959....2001 being the lowest level at 9.6% We average 13% even though we have spent (and are spending) TRILLIONS.

But it is never enough is it? Here is the solution - WORK. Who creates jobs for these people to work? BUSINESSES small and large.

So shouldn't we be supporting business to create jobs?

But it is never enough is it? Here is the solution - WORK. Who creates jobs for these people to work? BUSINESSES small and large.
So shouldn't we be supporting business to create jobs?

#58 | POSTED BY FOSHAFFER

Sure we should. We should however make these small business owners help pay for Insurance. Nothing ticks me off like a small business owner who lives in a million dollar home who won't kick out a dime to help pay insurance.

I know some businesses will fold and people will be out of work but I don't care. I just want these small business owners to suffer for their greed.

Jackass - go to the history books and see what happens to our economy (and the worlds) when we have increased tariffs...and then see what happen when we lowered them. Look up Smoot Hawley.

We have to make business competitive...the way to do that is to less government taxes and regulation. This allows us to lower prices and be competitive and win business...which leads to greater employment.

This allows us to lower prices and be competitive and win business...which leads to greater employment.
#60 | POSTED BY FOSHAFFER

In China it leads to greater employment. Making it so it cheaper to buy American will lead to greater employment in America. If products are a little more expensive the repairman will be back in business. Now we throw everything away.

Ass...have you ever tried to run a business. The employees have it safe ..they are taking no risk. They walk in - do thier job - get paid for it and leave. If the business does not make money the guy who started it loses everything.

www.equifax.com

"There were 10,339 bankruptcy filings in June 2009 throughout the U.S., up from 5,712 a year ago, according to the data."

Thats 10K people who took a risk and lost. Where is the motivation to take a risk - if when you are successful - someone has the government take it from you (in taxes and forced healthcare coverage) and give it to people who did not take a risk?

They had the same opportunity ..but did not act.

The US USED to be a country where we did not hate the guy that made it...instead we all tried to figure out how we could make it too.

Ass ..google Smoot Hawley.

Foshaffer you can be successful and pay benefits to employees. So taking a risk gives you a right to be a greedy asshole? Some people need to be taught to be a decent human being. Obviously their parents failed in that regards. That is where Obama steps in.

Ass...it only creates jobs in China as that is where you can manufacture cheaper due to 1) government subsidizing of the cost of production 2) cheaper labor

Your argument is that for some reason American unskilled workers DESERVE higher wages than those in China. My question is WHY? WHY do we deserve it (me or you or anyone) versus anywhere else in the world? We are free to choose what we do, what education level we get, how hard we want to work and how much we want to spend or save.

As it is - you have to add the cost of shipping from China to the US PLUS the labor to equal the labor cost of the US to make it more profitable to build something elsewhere and ship it in.

So...why does someone who did not put out in school, did not do anything to better themselves, did not take any risk DESERVE to have higher wages than the same human under the same circumstances elsewhere?

www.nationaltextile.org

"Based on the numbers examined so far, Smoot/Hawley is clearly a mis-cast villain. Further, the numbers suggest the clear possibility that when compared to the enormity of the developing international economic crisis Smoot/Hawley had only a minimal impact and and international trade was a victim of the Great Depression."

OH...so YOU have the right to TEACH THEM a lesson huh....how do you know they are "Greedy assholes?"
What gives you or the "O" man the right to make that decision? The people that work for the guy can walk out the door and get a job somewhere else anytime. If it is SOOO bad - why don't they?

Just because you did not stick your neck out and take a risk - you have the right to go after someone who did?

Doesn't that seem a bit Arrogant?

So...why does someone who did not put out in school, did not do anything to better themselves, did not take any risk DESERVE to have higher wages than the same human under the same circumstances elsewhere?
#65 | POSTED BY FOSHAFFER

It costs more to live here by far. One way or another these people have to live. Either by minimum wages or by you paying higher taxes to support welfare. We can't and should not even try to compete in a race to the bottom. You sound like a moron from the economic school of Ayn Rand. If you can't understand why it is wrong to pay someone a dollar a day there is no hope for you.

The people that work for the guy can walk out the door and get a job somewhere else anytime. If it is SOOO bad - why don't they?
Just because you did not stick your neck out and take a risk - you have the right to go after someone who did?
Doesn't that seem a bit Arrogant?

#67 | POSTED BY FOSHAFFER

Economy is tough. Some employers take advantage of the situation. You obviously are too greedy to know what is best for America. Well no worries. The DNC will help you learn. Healthcare for all makes sense. Thankfully the DNC knows this.

Ass ...instead of some biased industry trade rag that would benefit (or thinks they would benefit) with higher tariffs...try something that is a bit less biased.

en.wikipedia.org

www.state.gov

Sadly you fearless leader and cronies seem to be going that direction

www.marginalrevolution.com

It would be good if you stepped back and look at how Eastern Europe fared under socialism and then compared it to us...and then realised Eastern Europe will be US in two years at this rate

"Jackass - go to the history books and see what happens to our economy (and the worlds) when we have increased tariffs"

No one wants to raise tariffs so high that they start a trade war but competitors like China have tariffs far higher than ours on many products, they subsidize industry, they held the manipulate their currency, etc. to gain unfair trade advantages over American domestic manufacturing. Also, in a trade war we would perhaps lose markets for raw materials, agricultural products and military hardware but really not that much stuff is still manufactured here that we export.
China made their stimulus for Chinese companies only while we were not allowed to put American only on ours. All we want is a fair playing field and in case where we don't get one we should use tariffs to make it fair as Obama is already doing on tires.

"So...why does someone who did not put out in school, did not do anything to better themselves, did not take any risk DESERVE to have higher wages than the same human under the same circumstances elsewhere?"

There are millions of jobs leaving for India that are not jobs for unskilled, poorly educated people. They are just undercutting American labor because they can. We, as a nation, have a perfect right to decide that America is a market which we will reserve for American made goods. We have done that during our entire history up until the seventies and when we stopped protecting jobs here at home you can clearly see it has been disastrous for our economy. Thing is, arguments against it already sound foolish but outsourcing is continuing, at some point soon it won't be possible to "sell" the idea that free trade has any benefit for Americans and there will be a very strong demand to end it. It is already said even by many who profess to be Republicans, conservatives, and McCain voters. People are worried about their jobs and now it isn't just "that lazy black guy" or "that ignorant Latino" or that "evil union worker." No, now it's getting to be everyone. It's got to stop and hopefully the president gets it, if not we will find someone who does.

"You obviously are too greedy to know what is best for America. Well no worries. The DNC will help you learn."

Typical liberal - always wanting to dictate to others. Real "freedom loving" don't you think.

Rather arrogant and Stalinistic don't you think Jack? ..I probably give more money to charity that you do. Not greedy...realistic.

Why does it cost more to live here? Because we have create prosperity where the majority of the people can aford a better life than elsewhere. How did this happen? We instituted limited government and freed people to do what they wanted to do. The resulting wealth that was created allowed the surplus wealth to be redistributed to those in need. The result is the over 1TRILLION we give away via the government.

Ask yourself what happens when the guys that are taking the risk stop taking it? When there is not enough in it for them?

By the way...re-read your own posts and comments and then tell me who is the asshole - You - who wants to dictate to others what they can and cannot have...or the guy in the house on the hill that worked hard, provided for his family and lived a better life because of the effort he put in?

It would be good if you stepped back and look at how Western Europe fared under Democratic socialism and then compared it to us...and then realised Western Europe is recovering from the recession much faster than us.

"The Basics
Most companies paid no taxes during the boom

With corporate tax receipts at 20-year low, the GAO takes a look through the books and finds 94% of all U.S. companies paid less than 5% -- and 61% paid nothing at all."

moneycentral.msn.com

You fell for a talking point. That's why I told you tax rates may be high, companies are not paying much in taxes though.

#53 | Posted by danni at 2009-10-22 02:13 PM

What talking points are you talking about? Have you ever run a business? I would assume not by your response that you have not.

I'm also not referencing the boom error before the year 2000 as your quote suggest from the link you posted. I'm referring to this year when I said that Obama is closing the loop holes for writing off taxes or shifting money to offshore and overseas accounts (which only happens in multimillion dollar businesses). This should be taking place this month or next month which you can find out by speaking with any tax auditor.

Which as I said in a previous statement, US companies will be paying one of the highest corporate taxs in the world.

People like you enjoy bashing other people who do not see your point of view and also, evidently, large corporations.

I never said I didn't companies to pay their fair share of taxes. I just don't think over 35% which is almost double than some other countries.

I also don't think that 40% of American's shouldn't pay any income tax at all.

"During 2006, Tax Foundation economists estimate that roughly 43.4 million tax returns, representing 91 million individuals, will face a zero or negative tax liability. That's out of a total of 136 million federal tax returns that will be filed. Adding to this figure the 15 million households and individuals who file no tax return at all, roughly 121 million Americansor 41 percent of the U.S. populationwill be completely outside the federal income tax system in 2006.1 This total includes those who pay no tax, and those who pay some tax upfront and are later refunded the full amount of the tax paid or more."

www.taxfoundation.org

Everyone should pay a "fair" share.

And lastly, I have a job and I can't troll these forums all day as you do, but keep up the good work.

"What talking points are you talking about? Have you ever run a business?"

Sure have, had a printing business for ten years. Finally closed it because health insurance cost too much being such a small company and I had a family to take care of. Now I work for a company and get insurance through them.

"Which as I said in a previous statement, US companies will be paying one of the highest corporate taxs in the world."

I'm sure you have a link for that, not about tax rate but about tax actually paid. I won't hold my breath for that because you obviously have only a talking point level of knowledge and you are actually completely wrong.

And, BTW, Obama can't close loopholes and the money in Swiss accounts that is finally going to get taxed, I have no sympathy for those tax cheats. They should be going to jail.

I'm sure you have a link for that, not about tax rate but about tax actually paid. I won't hold my breath for that because you obviously have only a talking point level of knowledge and you are actually completely wrong.

#76 | Posted by danni at 2009-10-22 05:19 PM

www.taxfoundation.org

Do you have other comments? You are one of the biggest bullies on this board and you hardly ever prove your points to others but you want pin point accuracy when others challenge you.

You only pick and choose which comments you can try to bend to your rule of thought.

www.businessweek.com

I never argued that large corporations are not setting up tax shelters to try to go around paying their full 35-45% of taxes. Only that once they start paying the full 35% of taxes, that they will either pass that difference down to the consumer or move to another country with lower corporate taxes.

I also see how you didn't even touch the fact that over 40% of the American public doesn't pay a dime in taxes.

Typical liberal in your full onslaught attack on big business and anyone else with a different viewpoint.

#74 Danni

"It would be good if you stepped back and look at how Western Europe fared under Democratic socialism and then compared it to us...and then realised Western Europe is recovering from the recession much faster than us."

Through the Bush years we had an average of 4.8% unemployment which was 1/3rd of Europes. Germany was going at 13% which is why they elected a conservative government - France was at 14% - and they elected a conservative as well....now theirs are going down...and ours are going to the point where it will reach and exceed theirs.

www.nytimes.com

So your contention that they are recovering "much faster" is directly attributal to their embracing of economic policies that are conservative and has resulted in a slight lessening versus ours.

In addition - they have been so bad for sooo long that they did not have as far to fall.

By the way Danni you just proved the point on the impact of Obama's policies on the US for the long term. We will be just like Europe - High unemployment - urban unrest - limited economic growth. And you think that is GOOD?

47.7 Million Americans Live in Poverty.
Before B.H.Obamanation serves out his term it will be 90% of Americans live in extreme poverty, all 10% of American Government officials live in luxury under protection of Declared Martial Obamanation Law...

Pretty funny to watch those who supported unnecessary wars for profit, costing 2 trillion and counting, most of it going into huge global war/oil corporation pockets, worry about out debt now.

Almost as funny as a poster who spends his entire work (?) day posting on DR, tell unemployed poor to pick up a shovel and get to work in a job that doesn't exist thanks to 36 years of neoconservative TRICKLE DOWN economic failures.

Obama=trickle UP poverty

Oh, yeah, this is what they are pissed about......the new sherriff is cutting ceo pay and corporate welfare....and requiring some accountability, while doing some things for actual American working and poor people.

Somebody call the corporate/repug shills a whaaaaaambulance!

Spamming the site is a dumpable offense.

Dump away big talker. Maybe you could flag it and cry to the moderator.....WHAAAA!

Meanwhile, explain to us how posting a credible sourced article in part is in any way equal to spamming commercial bs onto this site.

Posting the same shit across multiple, unrelated threads is spamming, retard. Did you really need that explained to you, stupid?

Did you really need that explained to you, stupid?

#86 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2009-10-23 10:52 AM |
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In a word, Yes!

Joke really is that fucking stupid.

EH Joke?
.

Is the fake vet cherryboy another of your handles 2008ATL, like on newshounds where your "ranger bob" character pretended to be a war vet for weeks on end before admitting you were lying?

eh?

Let me remember what you said after that....oh, yeah.....

there are other kinds of rangers besides those in the military...eh?

rump rangers, eh 0hate?

Hey stupid, I asked you a question. Did you really need that explained to you, retard?

This just in: China has discovered where Mongols buried 27,000 donkeys killed trying to storm the Great Wall.

It is the world's second biggest asshole.

The bogus paratrooper who calls himself "101" retains title to No. 1. herm

Woke exits.....Herm enters

just when the smell was gone too!

47 million in poverty! guess that explains why so few big screens were sold last year....not!!

Most Poverty is a personal choice!! If any one they claim to be in poverty owns an iphone with a communication bill at the house that exceeds the food bill per month their poverty is a choice. If anyone of them owns a big screen tv... its a choice. If any of them have a drug or booze habit...its a choice. If any of them have an IQ above 90 and didnt graduate from hig school...its a choice. If any of them are workin multiple jobs and making good choices for them selfs and their kids Its not a choice and they need help. Now lets recount how many are really poor.

"If any of them have an IQ above 90 and didnt graduate from hig school"

You cannot make this shit up.

WiHunter is it more of a choice to be poor or gay?

Yep. We asked a dozen starving, shivering dudes being fed at the rescue mission before going to spend their winter sleeping under the bridge, and eleven said they prefer this life to working at Burger King. herm

Afterthought: That sounds dumb. Working at ANY job. herm

We asked a dozen starving, shivering dudes being fed at the rescue mission before going to spend their winter sleeping under the bridge, and eleven said they prefer this life to working at Burger King.

actually they said they would rather be gay than work at BK

:-(

Yeah, poverty in the US is pretty rough. Those swollen bellies, starvation, big screen TV's that are less than 50", ...

We had a war on poverty; the poor lost.
*chuckles*

-Ronald Reagan

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