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Tuesday, October 20, 2009

Indeed, Americans by 51-37 percent in this latest ABC News/Washington Post poll say they'd rather see a plan pass Congress without Republican support, if it includes a public option based on affordability, than with Republican backing but no such element.

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"The idea of creating a government-run health-insurance plan, once on life support in the Senate, is making a recovery among Democrats writing health-care legislation."

online.wsj.com

I see a Health Care Plan by Christmas, possibly with a robust public plan, which is a substitute for strong regulation.

More on health care aspect of Poll

www.washingtonpost.com

Interesting poll. Thanks for posting, Corky.

1. Support for Public Option the rise since August.

2. Opposition for Public Option on decline since August.

3. Obama job approval on rise.

4. Obama diaspproval on decline.

5. Approval for Obama as CIC, on International Affairs, garnering the Nobel Peace Prize, Economy.

6. Confidence on GOP in Congress = 19%

7. Confidence on Dems in Congress = 34%

8. Trend lines: Obama, Dems, GOP all pointed downward (probably result of bloom fading from the rose - in which case the GOP situation is turning into a Rovian turd blossom) as seen by...

9. The generic candidate question. It sets up a huypothetical contest between a GOP and Dem candidate for Congress in the 2010 elections. The results: 51% would go for the Dem and only 39% for the Rep.

So what is the Majority Party waiting for? LOL.

The majority Party is closer than it has been in 60 years, and the chances of NOT getting some Bill are low indeed.

Whether it is an industry Bill or a people's Bill is the only question left.

Ahhhh, Corker...ever the loyal disciple. You know, there are polls...and there are polls. Here are two more for you:

"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 28% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -12. The Approval Index rating has been lower only on two days since the current President took office (see trends)"
"Overall, 47% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President's performance. Fifty percent (52%) disapprove."
"Now that the Senate Finance Committee has passed its version of health care reform, 42% of voters nationwide favor the health care reform plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats. That's down two points from a week ago and down four from the week before.
The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 54% are opposed to the plan."

And from Pew Research Center...

"Public opinion is conflicted regarding the two major domestic issues of the day the economy and health care reform. On the economy, most Americans remain optimistic that Barack Obama's policies will help, but the public expresses mixed views of the steps he has taken so far and sees no clear signs of recovery at this point.

Regarding health care reform, many of the key provisions remain popular though support for the overall package has slipped. More people now generally oppose the health care reform proposals in Congress (47%) than favor them (34%). This represents a decline in support for health care reform since mid-September, shortly after President Obama's nationally televised address to Congress on the issue.

Nonetheless, large percentages continue to support many of the essential elements of legislation being considered. Two-thirds (66%) favor mandating that all Americans have health insurance, with the government providing financial help for those unable to afford it. Nearly six-in-ten (59%) favor requiring employers to pay into a government health care fund if they do not provide health insurance coverage to their employees. A similar majority (58%) also favors raising taxes on families with incomes of more than $350,000 as a way to pay for reforms. And 55% say they favor a government health insurance plan to compete with private plans, which is largely unchanged from late July (52%).

The disconnect between support for specific elements of health care legislation and overall opposition to the proposals in Congress appears to be driven by a lack of understanding about what is being proposed, the complexity of the topic, and declining trust in Congress."

people-press.org

Talk about your poll disciples..... I don't think anyone has a relationship with a poll like you do with the infamous outlier Rasmussen, Jest.

I just she doesn't break your heart.

And the Pew Poll is 2 weeks old..... jest sayin'.

I know you HATE Rasmussen, Corked, and probably Pew too, so here are two more for you. You'll HATE them too though. I don't know what in hell you're watching.

"Health care bill has steep hill to climb

By Susan Page, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON President Obama's long, hot summer is about to turn into a chilly fall.
A USA TODAY/Gallup Poll taken after the president's dramatic address to a joint session of Congress last week shows Americans almost evenly divided over passing a health care bill and inclined to think it would make some of the system's vexing problems worse, not better."

Zogby says....

"Poll: Voters Reject Obama's Healthcare Reforms

The year's biggest survey on healthcare reveals most Americans oppose the very reforms that President Obama is trying to push through Congress.
By 52 percent to 40 percent, voters say they are against the healthcare bill introduced July 14 to the House of Representatives, a new Zogby International poll reports."

www.zogby.com

If this poll is accurate than why is there so much hoop-la trying to pass Health Care reform.

Corky would challenge a MediaMatters poll if it didn't favour his Night in shining armour.

"And the Pew Poll is 2 weeks old..... jest sayin'."

Oh, wow...I'm sure that everything has swung wildly to approval in the last two weeks. Although...about everything I read these days show declining numbers for months now. Keep the faith though...

Hey...what a dilemma for you! I saw where Hillary's approval numbers were higher than Dear Leader's. Whattaya' gonna do if she challenges him in 2012, Corker? I can't wait!

So what is the Majority Party waiting for? LOL.
#3 | Posted by wisgod

It's not a group of locksteppers. I'd be happy to explain it to your some more, Wissy, but I'm 99.9% certain you wouldn't understand the concept.

Don't worry, when a health bill passes you can still piss and moan about how Obama didn't meet his goal of establishing nationalized health care, death panels, fetus recycling plants, FEMA trailer abortion centers, and methadone for kindergarteners and ask, "Where's the change we can believe in?"

People will just laugh at you some more, but feel free to proceed along your established path. No U-turns, no movements left or right, straight on through to the Elephant Graveyard.

To really understand this dynamic, you need to read my friend Dave Weigel's story on Rasmussen for The Washington Independent. Dave doesn't editorialize in his reporting, but if you read between the lines I think a pretty clear picture emerges. Rasmussen is a pretty good pollster whose results are within the range of accuracy one wants from a pollster. But polling is a crowded business. And Rasmussen doesn't also have a daily newspaper or a television network to tout his results. His business, however, requires attention. So how does he get that attention? Well in part he gets it with issue polling that, while basically methodologically sound, has question-wording that's designed to lead to conservative-friendly results.

Then the results come out and conservatives tout the results as vindicating their position. It's free PR for Rasmussen, it's a morale booster and message-driver for the right. And because the basic horserace polling is accurate enough, these kind of shenanigans don't get Rasmussen dismissed as a surveyor.

And I don't really think he should be dismissed. But I think we need to understand his "issue" polling as more like message testing than like normal public opinion research. What we're learning from his result isn't that there's a "nation of Santellis" out there outraged about Obama's plan. We're learning that support for the plan isn't so rock-solid as to be immune to leading questions or negative characterizations

yglesias.thinkprogress.org

If Rasmussen hadn't started out as such an obvious Righty, as documented in Dave Weigel's story, then perhaps the bias would not be so obvious either.

But then, an outlier poll is an outlier poll, and this one almost always is.

-Whattaya' gonna do if she challenges him in 2012, Corker? I can't wait!

Wet dreams for people who have completely lost touch..... about 20 percent of the population, I hear.

If you commissioned a poll, "Do you support the government giving every citizen a free $10,000?"--I wonder what the poll results would look like. How about $25,000? $50,000? Maybe Leno can do one of his Jaywalking features--he manages to talk to a lot of Democratic voters, it would seem--who don't know jack about anything, really.

I'm stunned that a pollster would find that Americans are willing to vote for themselves free stuff, and, further, that Americans are too stupid to realize that the money has to come from somewhere.

Considering that the public options under consideration are all premium-based, what "free stuff" are you blathering about?

It's not a group of locksteppers. I'd be happy to explain it to your some more, Wissy, but I'm 99.9% certain you wouldn't understand the concept.
#12 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

That's my point dumbass. You have disention within your own Party. Damn, you are the dullest fucking pencil on this site.

Also why would the Democrats be in such a hurry to pass legislation when they have no threat from the unpopular Republicans.

"But then, an outlier poll is an outlier poll, and this one almost always is."

Right, Corked...With these two, I will have posted poll data from the top four most accurate pollsters from the Fordham study last November... plus some others. You may have somehow missed the fact that ALL their numbers are more reprentative of Rasmussen's than the crap YOU posted. Are they ALL "outliers" or could it be your poll is just "lieing?" Could it be that your hatred of Rasmussen has prejudiced you? I'm really sorry that they knot your panties up with their numbers. I feel your pain....

"Harris poll puts Obama approval at 45%posted at 11:20 am on October 17, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Share on Facebook | printer-friendly Barack Obama might have hoped that an unexpected Nobel Peace Prize might halt his slide in the polls. Not so, says the latest Harris interactive poll, conducted over the last week. The survey contacted over 2200 adults on line, and his numbers dropped significantly from September's poll, giving Obama an unfavorability rating of -10:"

hotair.com

And here's one from the Economist/YouGov poll:

"Oddly, though, only 42% of the public approve of the president's handling of health-care reform, one point above the Economist/YouGov poll's previous low, while 47% disapprove."

www.economist.com

It's an ABC, Washington poll, fools. Might as well quote a DailyKOS poll. Sheesh!

Polls are useless. Unless they say what we beleive!

- The right.

"Polls are useless. Unless they say what we beleive!

- The right."

NOTHING is true...unless it comes from MoveOn or the lips of Dear Leader...and maybe Barney Frank. Well, Charlie Rangel too.

-The Left-

Oh! What a difference a poll makes!!!

"Rasmussen: ObamaCare support dropping again"

"Now that the Senate Finance Committee has passed its version of health care reform, 42% of voters nationwide favor the health care reform plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats. That's down two points from a week ago and down four from the week before."

"The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 54% are opposed to the plan."

hotair.com

#15 | Posted by rightisright: I'm stunned that a pollster would find that Americans are willing to vote for themselves free stuff

It's not free. We'll pay premiums. What's new is we won't be denied because we're considered too high of a risk and our pre-existing conditions will also be covered.

Guess this poll asked a different group. Probably white racists.

WASHINGTON (CNN) For the first time since he took over in the White House, Americans don't see eye to eye with President Barack Obama on the important issues, according to a new national poll.

politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com

You left off the next sentence Slickster.

"But the CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey does indicate that a majority approve of how Obama's handling his duties as president."

This healthcare bill is a farce and you democrats know it.

Hundreds of billions of dollars cut from medicare, hundreds of billions in additional tax increases including taxing the health benefits of average workers. Then there is the fact that 17-34 million people won't be covered at all under this plan according to the CBO.

The sooner we dump this piece of shit for a president the better of the country will be.

Hell, Jimmy Carter is starting to look good after seeing Obama in action. Never thought I would hear myself say that.

You have disention within your own Party.

#17 | Posted by wisgod

"we should just agree with president Bush and support everything he does."

Wissy and Britney Spears, Rocket Scientists.

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