If they want corporate protections, then let them pay taxes.

Molestation Taxes?

Now would those be in addition to income(tithing, Sunday collections, property taxes etc??)

Get a check from Rome. Their money is good.

Diablo: Holy cow that is some strange ass shit!

It is, Boo. They complain about Catholics and this shit goes unprosecuted??

Of course, when someone who believes in no God, who dismisses any thought of good or evil as a myth, gets busted for molesting children is his abstract belief made into the screaming headline?
Ummmm, no. Funny how that works. Stalin is never described as an atheist mass-murderer, nor is Mao. But Torquemada....that's different.

p.s. rcade started this thread because I flagged as offensive a few anti-Christian posts earlier today. At least that is my bet on his motive. Funny how a paki's sensibilities are far more important to rc than his own neighbors.
That's okay. I am sure he will voluntarily flag himself for three weeks.

It is, Boo. They complain about Catholics and this shit goes unprosecuted??

#6 | Posted by Diablo at 2009-10-19 09:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

I posted this article (same news, different source) over on the circumcision thread earlier today. One of the three infected died and another has brain damage from the Herpes. He wasn't prosecuted because Bloomberg said he didn't want to tell people how to perform their religious ceremonies.

I don't think Bloomberg has any power in the realm of prosecution, commonsense. He is only mayor.
But I would still like to see other misanthropes have their abstract beliefs touted in headlines along with their crimes. It would make reporting fair.
"Humanist Convicted of Cannibalism."
"Atheist Indicted for Mass Murder."
"Democrat-Liberal Turns Self In for Incest Charge."
Rcade shows his bigotry by even starting this thread....and constantly proves his attitude by ignoring the endless anti-religious bigotry he provides a forum for.
"Liberals" are always bigots.

I'd worry less about money and more about having a bancrupt conscience and soul.

Diablo is always hysterical.

Good point, Lisa. But if one's soul and conscience are bankrupt, what do one's pretended beliefs have to do with that?
The point is a murderous atheist like Mao does not mean atheists are murderers or atheism causes murder. A pedophile priest does not mean Jesus causes pedophiles.
rcade, however, started this thread to leave just such an impression on the waxy-brained.

Diablo is always hysterical.

you mean he rants in hysteria

Diablo:

You're preaching to the choir, brother. I'm full aware that some bad priests don't mean they all are.

However, the beliefs I don't agree with either in this particular branch of Christianity.

Sorry.

"#8 | POSTED BY DIABLO"

Diagnosis: Epic butt-hurt.

Prognosis: Terminal.

"A pedophile priest does not mean Jesus causes pedophiles."

True. But what does a pedophile priest shuttled to an unsuspecting parish by hierarchy eager to cover up crimes mean?

Bruce and whiskeysour: always relied on to address ad hominem rather than on the matter at hand. You guys ever learn rhetoric or debate skills?

"However, the beliefs I don't agree with either in this particular branch of Christianity.
Sorry."

why apologize to me, Lisa? I don't abuse your beliefs. My only point is the left does nothing but bait religious beliefs and practice religious bigotry. Just read the posts on this thread.

When we were Catholic and my children attended a Catholic school, my oldest son had a nun for a teacher in second grade.

She was horrible. There were so many complaints agains her mean spirited behavior they decided to relieve her of her teaching duties.

Where'd they put her?

In a nursing home with other people who are helpless around her.

I don't get it.

Diablo:

I didn't say you insulted my beliefs. I was saying I believe some of what Catholics preach is against Scripture.

I don't need to read some of the comments, Diablo. I have been defending my beliefs to folks here for quite some time. I'm well aware of what's being said.

Matthew 5:11

"Liberals" are always bigots.

what? apparently there's no debating if you have a cemented position

Diablo:

I hate to break it to you but I know liberals who are athiests yet display the teachings of Christ far better than some "Christians" I know.

Lisa

When we were Catholic and my children attended a Catholic school, my oldest son had a nun for a teacher in second grade.

She was horrible. There were so many complaints agains her mean spirited behavior they decided to relieve her of her teaching duties.

That was just like my 5th grade teacher, Sister Mary McDermott. A sadist. She made one boy drink ink out of an ink bottle. When the class upset her she used to make all the kids take all of their books out of their desk (and we had a number of books and they were heavy!) and then we all had to stand lined up around the walls of the classroom holding all our books until our arms felt like breaking. The other nuns were decent but she was a sicko.

"True. But what does a pedophile priest shuttled to an unsuspecting parish by hierarchy eager to cover up crimes mean?"

Danforth: it means they did the same thing public schools were doing at the time. The thinking was these creeps could be treated. I see little to no moral outrage about everyone else doing the exact same thing.
I've posted the links here before. Some people read them and saw what I mean. Others, like you, prefer to feign moral outrage and sun yourselves in ignorance.
Still others, like tosser, think the prophet was okay to screw a kid.....

Chris:

My oldest son who was in her class, had come down with the flu at school. He couldn't make it to the bahroom to vomit and was so embarrassed when he puked on the floor.

She made it worse by making him clean it up himself instead of calling the janitor.

She had one boy so scared to ask if he could go to the bathroom, he refused to eat or drink so his bladder and bowls were empty.

One little girl was trying desperately to get this nun to like her so she wouldn't be so mean, she gave her, her treasured sticker collection.

The nun looked at her and threw it in the garbage.

Yep...this is a woman I would want around my aging, helpless relative in a nursing home!

"I hate to break it to you but I know liberals who are athiests yet display the teachings of Christ far better than some "Christians" I know."

Lisa, what is your point? Didn't you read what I said about the relation of beliefs and behavior? Make a point. I am not trying to convert you. I am not trying to make all atheists seem evil or all Catholics good. You continue to post as if I were doing that. Make sense.

"Danforth: it means they did the same thing public schools were doing at the time."

Public schools were shuttling pedophile priests to unsuspecting parishes? Do tell

"Others, like you, prefer to feign moral outrage"

No feign at all. I was raised Catholic, I expect better. Meanwhile, apologists like you play games of moral equivalency.

The stories posted are reasons why public school is better for the masses.

Danforth, I expect better too, and have gotten it from my clergy.

Try reading something and tell me if your moral outrage transfers to public schools:

#23 | Posted by Lisa - agreed; my favorite blog partner is an athiest and exhibits more "Christian-like" qualities than most Christians I know!

"Try reading something and tell me if your moral outrage transfers to public schools:"

It transfers everywhere this happens. Why is your response, well, the public schools do this, too...?

Diablo:

Do you realize I am a Christian???

LOL

I thought I responded well. Sorry if you don't understand it.

Since I am sure Danforth (and Jackass "for the masses" as well) will not bother to read it, a clip is provided:

In New York City alone, at least one child is sexually abused by a school employee every day. One study concluded that more than 60 percent of employees accused of sexual abuse in the New York City schools were transferred to desk jobs at district offices located inside the schools. Most of these teachers are tenured and 40 percent of those transferred are repeat offenders. They call it "passing the garbage" in the schools. One reason why this exists is due to efforts by the United Federation of Teachers to protect teachers at the expense of children.[xxxi] Another is the fact that teachers accused of sexual misconduct cannot be fired under New York State law.[xxxii]
One of the nation's foremost authorities on the subject of the sexual abuse of minors in public schools is Hofstra University professor Charol Shakeshaft. In 1994, Shakeshaft and Audrey Cohan did a study of 225 cases of educator sexual abuse in New York City. Their findings are astounding.
All of the accused admitted sexual abuse of a student, but none of the abusers was reported to the authorities, and only 1 percent lost their license to teach. Only 35 percent suffered negative consequences of any kind, and 39 percent chose to leave their school district, most with positive recommendations. Some were even given an early retirement package.[xxxiii]
Moving molesting teachers from school district to school district is a common phenomenon. And in only 1 percent of the cases do superintendents notify the new school district.[xxxiv] According to Diana Jean Schemo, the term "passing the trash" is the preferred jargon among educators.[xxxv]

Vatican has lots of assets...why don't they bail'em out.

"Do you realize I am a Christian???"

Yes, Lisa. I have known that for a while. Again, what is your point?? You act as if what I post is personally insulting to you.

Morality and Right and Wrong should not be about any religion, they are about civilized behavior.

Civilized behavior. Attribute it to whatever you want, but we know more or less what Civilized behavior is, and it has no dependency or conditions attributable to any religion.

Diablo don't get baited into another dump.

LOL

Diablo, I am doing no such thing.

I guess I'm begining to see why people say what they do about your posts.

I believe I have made perfect sense regarding a short little comment. Why do you feel the need to blow it so out of proportion?

Are you Catholic, Diablo?

I'm trying to understand why you are getting so defensive, Diablo.

"Since I am sure Danforth... will not bother to read it..."

Why didn't they teach you not to lie? Do you actually believe being a pompous liar advantages you?

To the point #11... but, there is little conscience and soul in the parishoners of the great Catholic Church or they would use their pocketbooks and morals (where applicable) to rise up and put a stop on this criminal coverup..
not all priests are on the guilty side, but there are more than enough guilty ones to stop the silence and to stop excusing this rampart behavior to continue.. there is a very deep contradiction of values within the Catholic community...

Damn moving expenses!

Maybe they can sell off some of their tons of gold.

Some on the DR have called me a 'newbie.' If anyone wants a real 'newbie' then read my following post.

I am not the best Father. I do my best. I think my wife is a really great mother, but if you ask her she'll say she is horrid. We have two girls, 6 and 4. I am 28 and the wife is 26. Our family is full of love in spite of all hardship. Real hardship is something I am a 'newbie' at.

With all this exploitation of our children, what does a parent do? My answer is to raise them independent as all hell.

Also, whatever happened to 'family'?

That is bullshit.
The judge better not let them get bankruptcy protection.
Un-beeeelieveable.

Supposed-to-be-shepherds screwing then not making restitution.

It's bad enough old ladies give money "to Jesus" and it goes to paying restitution for molestation money, now that money's being withheld from the victims. Sounds like hell on earth.

On second thought.

RCADE wants to moderate and so I get all sentimental. What the fuck am I doing opening up on the DR. Like any of you fucks give a shit anyhow.

Anybody know how Roman Catholic Churches work?

How much do they send to Rome? All of it? A percentage? Whatever they want?

Our indepedent non-denominational church keeps it all, sends whatever it wants to charities, etc.

"I'm trying to understand why you are getting so defensive, Diablo."

Not defensive at all, Lisa. I am only wondering why my posts provoke you to insist I know you are a former Catholic, now other Christian. I knew that months ago.
Do me a favor and re-read your posts in this thread. I am mystified what your point to me is.

"Why didn't they teach you not to lie? Do you actually believe being a pompous liar advantages you?"

Did you read it, danforth? No? Then I did not lie.

"Diablo don't get baited into another dump."

Thank you, Jackass. I take a fiber supplement just to avoid that.

Danforth! Got any moral outrage yet about public schools passing the abusers? Jackass 'for the masses'? I posted the link and clip. C'mon, rcade! Secular molestation is an outrage, too. Right?
Where do all the morally outraged lefties go when they fail to prove sins are committed only by their enemies?

"Did you read it, danforth?"

Yes, I read the whole thing.

"Then I did not lie."

No, then you did lie.

"Danforth! Got any moral outrage yet about public schools passing the abusers?"

Post #32:
"(My moral outrage) transfers everywhere this happens.
~Danforth

What a crappy education you got: no instruction in reading comprehension, and no moral instruction against lying.

Time to ask for a refund.

"Where do all the morally outraged lefties go when they fail to prove sins are committed only by their enemies?"

Why do righties play the moral equivalence game when they're caught -- literally -- with their pants down?

I never pretended sins were only committed by priests. You, however, pretended they were lesser because others had committed sins as well. Again...I was raised Catholic; I expect better from those who claim they're better.

Then post it, dannyboy: public schools are as guilty as Catholic schools by hiding sexual abuse of students!
C'mon, Danforth. You said you read it. You claim to be honest. Your moral "outrage" seems to be failing....
Post it, danforth. Say it out loud.

You, too, rcade.

Tosser is exempt. He is protected by doctrine, unlike the Catholics.

To repeat my ORIGINAL point:

"Of course, when someone who believes in no God, who dismisses any thought of good or evil as a myth, gets busted for molesting children is his abstract belief made into the screaming headline?
Ummmm, no. Funny how that works. Stalin is never described as an atheist mass-murderer, nor is Mao. But Torquemada....that's different."

"Then post it, dannyboy: public schools are as guilty as Catholic schools by hiding sexual abuse of students!"

Wipe yourself off.

Public schools are as guilty as Catholic schools by hiding sexual abuse of students. No one ever claimed otherwise.

Catholics, however, pretend to be superior. You've refused to address that.

Further, your deflection is off-topic, and merely an attempt to minimize what you don't want to admit. If you want to start a thread on that issue, feel free. Spamming this thread, and this topic, is nothing but an apologist's rationalization.

How do you feel about filing for bankruptcy to avoid paying your molestation victims?

"when someone who believes in no God, who dismisses any thought of good or evil as a myth, gets busted for molesting children is his abstract belief made into the screaming headline? Ummmm, no. Funny how that works."

Not funny at all. Nor does it minimize the crime. But to hold yourself on a pedestal as better than others, because of your "special relationship" with God, and to pretend religion = morality, leaves you open to even greater criticism when you're shown to be both a criminal and a hypocrite.

"C'mon, Danforth. You said you read it. You claim to be honest."

I did read it. I am honest.

Time for you to admit you're a liar.

C'mon, Diablo, post it. Say it out loud.

Okay Danforth, you are busted: show me where I EVER minimized the crime! I only showed you it was worse in public schools and I happened to enjoy seeing you avoid admitting that fact.
YOU minimized the crime by avoiding any moral outrage against public schools.
I have NEVER put myself on a pedestal as better than others. I have NEVER (and my above posts prove it) claimed religion equals morality, liar. I emphatically posted morality (i.e. behavior, you moron) is more important than belief.
Now Danforth says I am a "criminal?" Back it up, danny. Back that up or apologize.

"Okay Danforth, you are busted: show me where I EVER minimized the crime!"

Deflecting to someone else doing it, too is an attempt to minimize. It was when you were in the second grade, and it is today.

"YOU minimized the crime by avoiding any moral outrage against public schools."

#59: Public schools are as guilty as Catholic schools by hiding sexual abuse of students" ~Danforth You're a liar, yet again.

"I have NEVER put myself on a pedestal as better than others."

Who's talking about YOU? I'm talking about the Catholic Church, and religionists in general.

"Now Danforth says I am a "criminal?""

No, that you're a liar. The "criminal" part was the Catholic Church, admittedly complicit in crimes. But no surprise: you're deflecting once again.

C'mon, admit it. You lied about me. Post it. Say it out loud.

dannyboy finds himself having to squirm and fudge again.....danny: just post it without reservation. Admit religion had nothing to do with the abuse and public schools passed the trash, too. In fact, more abuse happened in the secular public schools, dannyboy (rcade, too).
Just admit it, and move on with your pathetic life. You want to cling to the myth sexual abuse is a religious thing. You are lying.

Worth repeating:

"You want to cling to the myth sexual abuse is a religious thing. You are lying."

"just post it without reservation. "

I did, fuckhead. You're the one who has misrepresented my position multiple times, and lied about me more than once. Any now you're lying about me yet again.

I'm not about to deal with someone so undeterred by being proven wrong over and over. Either tell the truth, or GFY.

Wait...what am I saying? You're not about to admit the truth. GFY.

Danforth- Diablo's head isn't worth much, and it's an ugly trophy.

Just sayin...

Alex,

Right, and right.

Perhaps if they were to Pray for some more money all of their problems would be solved.

But then again

Perhaps i am being naive.

They need to Open up a Catholics Only Brothel and charge 200.00 a head. I don't think a bake sale or a raffell is gonna do it. We have to get the big bucks flowing in. Maybe even have a couple strip joints going too.

Larry

I don't think Bloomberg has any power in the realm of prosecution, commonsense. He is only mayor.

#10 | Posted by Diablo at 2009-10-19 09:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

True, he has no official power but his opinion can sway a DA. I'm not saying the Bloomberg is the reason this guy walks free but I'd bet that he had some influence.

Worth repeating:

"You want to cling to the myth sexual abuse is a religious thing. You are lying."

Is anyone around here actually trying to argue that sexual abuse only happens in a religious context?

No?

K. STFU then.

Controlling people through lies *is* a religious thing.

The sexual abuse that sometimes follows is a direct result of that control.

Got it?

Spud knows you like to cast yerself a a Defender of Religion from the tyranny of commie-luffin, athiest scum or wotever but in all truth yer hate and ignorance fueled rants are prolly doing yer religion more of a diservice than anything.

You FAIL.

K?

On Topic?

Catholic Diocese takes preventitive measure of covering their ass with a bankrupcy protection filing in order to prevent paying their many victims?

Wow, even all these years later these victims are still getting fucked by the church.

Sad is that.

Be Well.

/How'd ya guess?
//As a Tater o' Doom is wont to do, entering the Drudge Retort
stage left

But I would still like to see other misanthropes have their abstract beliefs touted in headlines along with their crimes. It would make reporting fair.
"Humanist Convicted of Cannibalism."
"Atheist Indicted for Mass Murder."
"Democrat-Liberal Turns Self In for Incest Charge."
Rcade shows his bigotry by even starting this thread....and constantly proves his attitude by ignoring the endless anti-religious bigotry he provides a forum for.
"Liberals" are always bigots.

#10 | Posted by Diablo at 2009-10-19 09:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

This thread is 'Diocese Files Bankruptcy'.

I don't see any bigotry/religous attack in the headline. By the very nature of the article, the religion almost has to be mentioned. It's the Catholic Diocese.

Of course, when someone who believes in no God, who dismisses any thought of good or evil as a myth, gets busted for molesting children is his abstract belief made into the screaming headline?

There's no collection box paying for an atheists legal expenses when he molests a child. There aren't higher ups shuffling the atheist off to a different place to work with new children when he gets busted for kid diddling.

That's the difference.

p.s. rcade started this thread because I flagged as offensive a few anti-Christian posts earlier today. At least that is my bet on his motive.

You've lost that bet. The headline states that a Catholic diocese filed for bankruptcy for a pretty simple reason ...

... wait for it ...

a Catholic diocese filed for bankruptcy.

The fact that a large religious organization has been driven to bankruptcy because of child molestation lawsuits is news. It's a pretty sad testament to the church that this is not an uncommon event. Maybe it wasn't the best idea in the world to turn a blind eye to abusive priests and then shuffle them around when their crimes were reported to the diocese.

I was raised Catholic

I am hardcore agnostic

I lack ANY faith, including atheism.

Looking at current U.S. society, its pretty clear that CURRENT anti-religious folks (even the ones that follow a faith) are militant bigots and on the rampage.

If anything, the bigotted gains that anti-religious Berkeley style Bigots have made in the last 1/2 century need to rolled back.

Communities should be able to openly practice their faiths (or lack there of) without fear of bigots like the ACLU.

Anybody know how Roman Catholic Churches work?

#48 | Posted by kirk

Probably have to go to Rome for that one. The Catholic Church in American hasn't been Catholic for decades. They really should change their name. These days, the Episcopalians are more Catholic than the Catholics, except for that female offerant thang.

#76 | Posted by USAF242 at 2009-10-20 10:01 AM | Reply | Flag:Biggest religious bigot on the DR....

Communities should be able to openly practice their faiths (or lack there of) without fear of bigots like the ACLU.

The ACLU doesn't stop anyone from openly practicing their faith. It stops them from pushing their faith into government where it doesn't belong.

There's no collection box paying for an atheists legal expenses when he molests a child. There aren't higher ups shuffling the atheist off to a different place to work with new children when he gets busted for kid diddling.

That's the difference.

#74 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2009-10-20 03:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

Obviously you failed to read Diablos link. The City of New York did exactly this - and the taxpayers pony up for the legal expenses.

On topic, The Catholic Church is not clean yet. As a Catholic, I have failed to do anything which would rectify this. The American Council of Bishops should practice a little "reconcilliation" and clean up the "big" house. Our "little" room is clean and that is how I stay a Catholic.

Christianity could probably use another Schism. The fundies continue to give the more reasonable Christians a bad name. Anyone who lumps Catholics in with the Fundies is painting with a broad brush for effect on the DR.

As a Catholic and a Christian, I also realize Catholics and Christians are flawed and still human - as are atheists/agnostics/other religous peoples. The "higher" standard seems to only count for religious people however. Politicians, teachers and other supposed "role models" are exempt. - happens in both parties to be sure.

Above I said:

"Communities should be able to openly practice their faiths (or lack there of) without fear of bigots like the ACLU."

I used the word "Communities". I did NOT use the word "individuals". I did this for a reason.

Suggest reading up on the concerns about Religious freedom when the Constitution was being written.

"Communities should be able to openly practice their faiths"

With a majority-rule concept? And using the 49%ers tax dollars at will?

The Catholic Church is now seen as a big,criminally corrupt and totally hypocritical organization.The Pope and his Cardinals could probably be prosecuted under the RICO Act as well as under child sexual abuse laws!

Anybody know how Roman Catholic Churches work?

#48 | Posted by kirk

Everyone listens to a crippled old fuck wearing a funny hat that can hardly be heard, whisper his opinions about everythig from gays to abortion to opinions of the holicost.

The Catholic Church is not clean yet.

Why do you need a monolithic church? Even if your parish is "clean," why be part of an organization built upon centuries of corruption, persecution, and genocidal militarism.

Your ability to experience God is not dependent on the incantations of some robed, wafer-bearing loon or the dogma concocted by stodgy old fucks who cover for child molesters.

Christianity could probably use another Schism. The fundies continue to give the more reasonable Christians a bad name.

Religious fanatics are a gangrenous limb of human civilization that urgently requires amputation.
Will a schism get rid of fundies or the appeal of fundamentalism? I doubt it. There are too many idiots out there.

Anyone who lumps Catholics in with the Fundies is painting with a broad brush for effect on the DR.

In general, this is true. Diablo, Bill Donahue, and hardline Catholics are are indistinguishable from protestant fundies unless you get them talking about specifics of dogma. Their ideologies are founded on delusion and irrational hatred. Whatever their sect of choice may be, these people are blithering idiots who twist reason and reality to sustain their delusions of Christian supremacy.

Cocksuckers like that are a threat to civilized society... they rarely contribute to rational discourse and have little place in a secular government.

"Religious fanatics are a gangrenous limb of human civilization that urgently requires amputation. "

Yeah, but they're like the fucking Borg. Cut off a limb, they just regenerate. And they won't stop until everyone is "assimilated".

Yeah, but they're like the fucking Borg. Cut off a limb, they just regenerate. And they won't stop until everyone is "assimilated".

Resistance is not futile.

"It stops them from pushing their faith into government where it doesn't belong."

go tell it to the giant marble satue of Moses at the Supreme Court.

dont get me wrong fundie is a fundie no matter their cause....

The Eniromentalist fundies are just as frighting to me and the Evangelical type. Different uniform, same messures and extremes.

Cocksuckers like that are a threat to civilized society... they rarely contribute to rational discourse and have little place in a secular government.

#85 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2009-10-21 11:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

As are those at the opposite of the spectrum. You do understand that even though some of us more reasonable Catholics don't thump you over the head with the bible, we still believe. The fact that you choose to belittle our beliefs and discount the 2000 year old traditions says a lot about you. Your bigotry against anything Christian or religious is just as damaging to reasonable discourse as those who would thrust their religion in your face. You approach the discussion biased and with predujice. So get off your fucking high horse. You do not wear shining armour just because you have made what you think is some sort of high minded decision to not believe in religion or Christianity. Most of the people, if not all, you vote for do. What does that say about you?

Now, tell me again how liberals are tolerant and accepting and conservatives are intolerant and predujicial.

You do understand that even though some of us more reasonable Catholics don't thump you over the head with the bible, we still believe.

There are many hundreds of millions of decent Catholics. My quarrel is not with them. I'm more concerned about the obnoxious minority of fanatics that is working to undo the good achieved by followers of every (and no) faith.

If your crazy neighbor doesn't take out his trash for a year and you can smell the stench from your porch, you're probably going to say something about it... same situation here. Christianity needs to take out the garbage.

The fact that you choose to belittle our beliefs and discount the 2000 year old traditions says a lot about you.

Believe what you want and keep it to yourself and I won't bother you. If you are going to use those beliefs as support for some insipid conservative talking point, you can bet your bottom dollar that you will be on the receiving end of some "belittling".

Now, tell me again how liberals are tolerant and accepting and conservatives are intolerant and predujicial.

"Liberals" and "conservatives" have different values and will support different viewpoints because of them. Nowhere is it required for liberals to be universally "tolerant".