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Tuesday, October 20, 2009

Sen. Arlen Specter (D.-Pa.), until last April a Republican, told Fox News Sunday that the GOP has become a "party of obstructionism" but it won't stop substantial health care reform from being passed. He also said that the public option is "gaining momentum."

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-Howard Baker and Bob Dole and Bill Frist

All a bunch of RINOs! - the Tight Right

Specter should realize that any gain for the public option is only because of rapic increase in lost jobs and no "Hope" in the near future there will be any. So public option is the unemployed's choice. Run the country into the ground until there is no place to go but up. Now that's the kind of "Change" Obama is talking about!

THIS from the guy who told U.S. last week this mess is going to cost TWO TRILLION?!? Sphincteroid needs to catch up with his bad self.

The public option needs a catch phrase.

Specter is in a primary race and is now trying to look like a good Democrat. Congressman Joe Sestak is a very impressive guy who isn't conflicted about who he represents. Pennsylvania would be much better served with him as their Democratic Senator.

Arlen Specter is a moron. He doesn't even know where he is/what he is doing hes just an old loon.

Thought switching parties would help you catch the wave of Democratic Party sentiment, hows that working out Arlen?

Trusting a guy like this is like marrying someone that you know cheated on their spouse. Hes a political opportunist and when he was a Republican wasn't even a good one!

i.e. The corporate interests are close to agreeing on how to fuck us up the ass some more.

All the plans are nothing more than corruption.

Support medicare +.

Support medicare +.

10-4 on that!

I guess the Democrats think they can keep changing bills, putting them in various committees, changing them more, and whining about Fox News and Rush Limbaugh until conservatives get tired, roll over and let them do what they want. I personally haven't witnessed the public option gaining any momentum but I suppose it could be somewhere.

Hows your re-election comming along Spect?

Oh, Arlen!

You're just saying that because you're losing momentum.

#10 Joe> I personally haven't witnessed the public option gaining any momentum but I suppose it could be somewhere.

Maybe it's gaining momentum in the press (at least the ones in the bag for Obama). Seems like that is all they talk about now, "healthcare crisis".

Why don't the politicians call it the "government option"? Much more accurate...

Arlen Spectre must be doing some pretty strong drugs! Support for Obamacare is down to 35% and dropping like a hot rock! America is finally waking up and realizing it is just another tool to control us!

when he was a Republican wasn't even a good one!

I guess he didn't meet the high standards set by ensign, vitter et al...

Corky: There's No Health Plan Like A Public Option, There's No Health Plan Like A Public Option, There's No Health Plan Like A Public Option...

Corky's Ruby Slippers: Click Click Click, Click Click Click, Click Click Click

Geez, I wonder if THAT unoriginal asinine remark by Shillboy will be dumped?

Spector HAS to say this phony crap ever since he sold his soul to The Dark Side. At least he got somethinmg in return. Corky hangs out with and shills for these fruitbats for nothing! LOL.

Every single poll taken has shown the public favors a "Public Option" by a wide margin.

Geez, I wonder if THAT unoriginal asinine remark by Shillboy will be dumped?

#18 | POSTED BY COOKFISH

Probably not Mr. Offensive

pol.moveon.org

(Those poor ins co execs!)

Every single poll taken has shown the public favors a "Public Option" by a wide margin.

#20 | Posted by Timex

Except for the ones done by the HMO's and Big Pharma.

What's gaining momentum is Specter's ouster-exit from the U.S. Senate at the next election. He doeesn't even know what he is, except maybe a pure opportunist...a Democrat one week, a Republican the next, no, a Democrat the next, no....

However the wind blows, that's where you'll find Specter, just going with the force of the wind. No real core there...

Watching Frontline's latest -Warning- starring Brookley Born, losing to Alan Greenspan, Robert Rubin, and Larry Summers with Geithner shadowing Summers makes it clear HOW WRONG THEY ARE. Greenspan admits this to Congress.

Congress is full of a bunch of clueless personalities that like to hear themselves talk. Like the Whitehouse, Wall Street puppets.

Nothing has changed fundamentally to prevent another meltdown and Wall Street is determined to keep it that way. They make money attacking functional companies, pension funds, 401Ks, and Social Security makes them drool.

If Congress doesn't get at least a public option (not watered down by lobbyists), this admin WILL BE a failure.

Not that they aren't already tended to by Wall Street investors from Goldman, et al...ok, the deck is stacked in favor of continued insurance industry domination...I guess it'd have to be a pretty monumental piece of legislation not to give a hand-out to the lobbyists and their ilk...

I'll believe it when it's signed into Law. Until then it's all lies.

Larry

The public option is just a test drive of single payer

Congress is full of a bunch of clueless personalities that like to hear themselves talk.

So basically, no different than the Drudge Retort?

If Congress doesn't get at least a public option (not watered down by lobbyists), this admin WILL BE a failure.

I tend to agree.

At least we won't need 50 years for "history" to "decide."

At first I thought just ending pre-existing conditions would be a victory, but now that's not enough.

As BPH320 says, the public option as precursor to single payer is the brass ring, and not reaching it would be failure on too many levels.

I'm still open to the possibility of our current system failing on its own merits under the burden of swine flu or whatever. Which would also be a failure.

It would be akin to Obama doing nothing about a memo, "Swine flu determined to strike in United States."

I just want it so insurance companies cannot deny for pre-existing conditions. It's almost impossible to get insurance if you have pre-existing conditions.

...politicians of Specter caliber ruined this country and must be removed by voters if there is any hope of correcting this mess.

I listened yesterday to a repug from The National Review on prn admit that a public option will help health reform pay for itself in 10 years.

www.slate.com

www.time.com

voices.washingtonpost.com

All a bunch of RINOs! - the Tight Right

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2009-10-19 11

dole has come out since and said his comments werent exactly represented properly
but dems dont give a fuck about that..

and spector..Im sure he believes this...so october is about halfway over...so when is his announcement that he will be changing parties again???
HEY lisa...tell us which way the wind is blowing in PENN and maybe we will know

"HEY lisa...tell us which way the wind is blowing in PENN and maybe we will know"

Spector is a POS. A pure politician who would sell his soul for election or reelection. He cares not about the country OR the people as long as he can stay in office....and he ain't the only one.

Every single poll taken has shown the public favors a "Public Option" by a wide margin.

#19 | Posted by Timex

I guess you are reading the paper on a different planet than I do.

The uglies continue to contort and grimace while trying to break their own arms, don't they? The party of no, fighting desperately against its own future health care, continues to disbelieve what is settled progress in every nation on the globe, just as it continues to disbelieve man-made climate changes. But the earth, as Galileo insisted, STILL continues to spin around the sun. Death panels and other spinmeister inventions won't change that. herm

THANKS TO CORNYN and CORKER and KYL

they may have stopped the utter bullshit and lies from dems on health care reform and it being deficit neutral

anyone see reports from senate yesterday about the DEMOCRAT EFFORT TO BE Able to look at us in the face and lie about health care reform
plan was to TAKE OUT OF THE REFORM package now being FORCED UPON us behind closes doors
to spend 250 BIllion for some sort of doctor PAYOFF ...

thank you senators...

also 10% tax on PLASTIC SURGERY

report on fox this morning that said that 70% of that surgery was done on people who make less than 90,000 a year..

so there is ANOTHER CASE of obama going to have to lie if it happens...

Every single poll taken has shown the public favors a "Public Option" by a wide margin.

#19 | Posted by Timex

it was reported this morning that one particular poll showing this had a disportionant number of DEMOCRATS selected to respond.

so much for this poll...

also they had an example of the main question but i forgot it

OH something about www.healthcarereform.gov

Every single poll taken has shown the public favors a "Public Option" by a wide margin.

Ask those same people to define what is meant by "public option" and you will get many many blank stares.

thats because its a government option and if you use the word govt instead of public pollsters say you get a whole 'nother' response..

also this AM..

gov rendale(sp)...said something interesting.
he said that he was trying to get insurance companies to come and do business in PENN

WHAT??

doesnt he know thats a REPUBLICAN IDEA ALL ALONG

BUT I thought republicans just said NO......

AND did anyone else see on cnn this morning
something about one of thier polls that shows that a majority of people dont like BHO on major issues...

or was I still asleep
but it was ON cnn for sure...

DO NOT BE FOOLED.......

As even the Associated Press admits, the government takeover of health care will,despite what the president has told you, involve the use of taxpayer funds to pay for abortions.

The AP says flatly, "The proposed legislation would permit government-sponsored health plans, open to non-Medicaid patients, to cover abortions."

So when the president or members of Congress say abortions aren't covered in health care reform, they aren't telling you the truth. And when the president's spokesman says that federal law would prevent taxpayer funding of abortions in the health care plan, he's not telling you the truth either.

The Hyde Amendment prevents Medicaid funds - and Medicaid funds only - from being used for abortions, but that restriction wouldn't apply to the government takeover of health care.

In fact, under the Capps Amendment in the House bill, the public option would be required to offer abortion services, and every American would have to have access to at least one health care plan that included abortion.

Take Action

The full Senate will soon be debating its huge health care bill. Contact both of your senators today and tell them firmly but politely that they can't "Hyde" any longer, that abortion is not health care, and that they must remove abortion from any health care reform bill they consider.

As even the Associated Press admits, the government takeover of health care will,despite what the president has told you, involve the use of taxpayer funds to pay for abortions.

I support it so long as I can pick whom to abort.

nice one there kanrie

real diverse and compassionate lol

AH but dont worry
according to THIS GUY God will take care of us all

and WHEN or rather IF this were to come out. would it get the same condemnation from the left if say it were coming from pat robertson or the like

bighollywood.breitbart.com

maybe.

The Democrat Party is the refuge of the lowest common denominator.

AFK

Ask how many medicaid, medicare, va recipients want to give up their "govt" subsidized healthcare.

(crickets chirping)

CBO finds Dem bill with public option reduces deficit

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A preliminary estimate from the Congressional Budget Office projects that the House Democrats' health care plan that includes a public option would cost $871 billion over 10 years, according to two Democratic sources.

CBO also found that the Democrats' bill reduces the deficit in the first 10 years.

CBO analyzed what House Speaker Nancy Pelosi calls a "more robust" public option -- one that ties reimbursement rates for doctors to current Medicare rates, plus a 5 percent increase.

Senior Democratic aides told CNN that House Democratic leaders are likely to put this version of the public option favored by liberal Democrats in the final bill they are drafting. While no final decision has been made, on Tuesday night Speaker Pelosi made the case to House Democrats that this approach saves the most money and would put the House in a better negotiating position when it comes time to negotiate a final health care bill with the Senate.

Moderate, "blue dog" Democrats in the House largely oppose the robust public option and instead argue for a government run insurance option that could negotiate reimbursement rates directly with doctors and hospitals. CBO's analysis of that approach was not available according to Democratic sources, but aides say the preliminary analysis shows it does not save as much as the approach pushed by Pelosi.

www.cnn.com

Keep delaying repugs, the PEOPLE have awakened to the truth.

I guess the Democrats think they can keep changing bills, putting them in various committees, changing them more, and whining about Fox News and Rush Limbaugh until conservatives get tired, roll over and let them do what they want. I personally haven't witnessed the public option gaining any momentum but I suppose it could be somewhere.

#10 | Posted by JOE at 2009-10-20 11:30 AM | Reply |

Joe clearly your confused about how democracy is supposed to work, as opposed to the rubber stamp of the last bunch.

I just want it so insurance companies cannot deny for pre-existing conditions. It's almost impossible to get insurance if you have pre-existing conditions.

#30 | Posted by jackass at 2009-10-21 07:26 AM | Reply |

Problem is, by only doing legislation where you force them to take pre-existing condition, then they just figure out some new interesting way to recoup it. Specifically raising rates.

Or what other articles alluding too, increased claim denial.

It would probably take a 1000 page bill to undo all the backhanded shit they could turn around and do based on fixing something as simple as pre-existing conditions, and it would get really messy. And if we count on congress to pursue that, we are going nowhere except down just like the current incarnation of legislation.

The public option in one fell swoop counters that. Unless of course its absurdly expensive for no good reason, or some other inherent failure.

This way, insurance companies can try whatever evil shit they want, and when we the people don't like it, uncle sam backs us up. And just maybe the insurance companies get forced to change they're business model and focus on what they should be doing.

As it is, the best profit investment for insurance companies is lining the pockets of congress. This must change.

As it is, the best profit investment for insurance companies is lining the pockets of congress. This must change.

#50 | POSTED BY KNIGHTHAWK AT 2009-10-22 03:26 PM

House Bill 1826...election reform including public financing with limits

Call your reps today!

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