Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....
.

Time to get over it.

WHO GIVES A SHIT what BUSH did or did not do, this is the BEST Liberals can do to DEFLECT criticism from OBAMA/GOD...

ARE LIBERALS so fucking stupid they can not remember OBAMA is the President RIGHT FUCKING NOW ASSHOLES...

General McCrystal is asking for more TROOPS RIGHT NOW and your GOD is busy FUCKING OFF WHILE AMERICAN SOLDIERS die in AFGHANISTAN...

Here is an idea for your GOD if you will not listen to your GENERAL get the troops out now, another story missed by the SHIT PACKERS in the MSM...

Time to get over it.

#2 | Posted by KBM at 2009-10-19 11:52 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: Doesn't care that Americans died over there.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz again.

We still debate the Constitution, the Civil War, Pearl Harbor, and 9-11. Of course this will be debated forever.

Time to get over it.

#2 | Posted by KBM

I think you should personally call the mothers of all those who died or were wounded in Iraq and tell them that.

That should take you the rest of your worthless life.

Look, we on the left know debating it is useless - it's done. We just have the occasional sad optimistic belief that the right might learn from their mistakes and not be doomed to repeat history. Then someone like Ann Coulter pokes her horse face in and absurdly tries to justify the crap.

Our mistake. If there was that much hope for them, they wouldn't be on the right anyway.

Our mistake. If there was that much hope for them, they wouldn't be on the right anyway.

#8 | Posted by zeropointnrg

"The Mistake" is Obama is NOT listening to his Theater Commander General McCrystal, who is advising him he needs 40,000 more troops to win the war in Afghanistan...

Obama is the current President NOT BUSH he needs to make a choice, send in more troops or GET THE HELL OUT. President Obama has spent more time with David Lettermen than he has with the Theater commander while AMERICAN SOLDIERS DIE how PATHETIC...

Coulter must be losing readership. Or maybe it's just that she has no worldview aside from the one she created for herself during the Bush era. Still, I do hope it's a sign that she is becoming a has-been, even with those who once agreed with her.

It has been 76 days since General McChrystal submitted his review to the administration requesting additional forces, and the clock continues to tick, while AMERICAN SOLDIERS DIE waiting for help...

COMMANDER IN CHIEF LOL LOL LOL

Ever Notice how OBAMA is protected from not being able to make a decision by some sort of BUSH deflection...

Come on LIBERALS tell your DADDY to grow some BALLS and send HELP or BRING THEM HOME NOW...

Cut him some slack, he's voting "present."

I don't know if you noticed this, but Obama has proven himself very moderate, based on his ability to piss off the base on both sides.

What's there to debate. Dubya illegally Invaded Iraq and some of My COuntryfolk followed Him over the cliff of UnAmerican ideals and beliefs. This is what happened. They threw away American ideals because they had hard on's for war. Such a sad time in US History.

Larry

Larry sorry to shower you with yellow rain during your parade, but nothing was illegal. You might not agree with the decision, and you might not thing it is morally justified, but the decision was 'legal' under both US and international law. Because both the US congress and the UN security council passed laws/resolutions authorizing it.

Larry sorry to shower you with yellow rain during your parade, but nothing was illegal. You might not agree with the decision, and you might not thing it is morally justified, but the decision was 'legal' under both US and international law. Because both the US congress and the UN security council passed laws/resolutions authorizing it.

Posted by midtowncowboy at 2009-10-19 02:47 PM | Reply

Sorry buty Yes iut was Illegal It not only violated UN Charter esppefically Article 2 clause 4 which states.

All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.

Larry

Oh and please show Me where in ANY UN Resolution that they authorized the War of March 19 2003?? You are full of shit if You think they did. Even Richard Perle admits to that fact.

Larry

MID-
You've gotten him started. Enjoy!

Oh and please show Me where in ANY UN Resolution that they authorized the War of March 19 2003??

#18 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2009-10-19 02:55 PM

There was NOT a UN Resolution for WW2 either would you rather speak German instead...

Just Saying...

General McChrystal met with MAC DADDY for 25 minutes after he finished his DOG and PONY show at the International Olympic Committee. MAC DADDY has spent far more time on the olympics and David Letterman than he has on OUR SOLDIERS...

76 days and counting since General McChrystal requested additional forces, and the clock continues to tick, while AMERICAN SOLDIERS DIE waiting for help...

I KNOW BUSH'S FAULT...

Unlike Bush's 'cut and run to Iraq' policy in Afghanistan, the Obama Administration is serious and spending a lot of time formulating a strategy and figuring out what our end goal is before they commit to sending tens of thousands of Americans into harm's way. If Bush and crew hadn't invaded Iraq and focused on Afghanistan we wouldn't be in this mess there 8 years later.

If Bush and crew hadn't invaded Iraq and focused on Afghanistan we wouldn't be in this mess there 8 years later.

Yes we would. There is noting to "win" there. There is no single government to defeat. There is no single enemy to fight. Russia learned that the hard way. Seems we weren't paying attention.

Hey A Tax the Germans were attacking our shipping vessels pre pearl harbor and they DID offically declare War upon the United States December 11 1941. When did Iraq attack the United States nor any allie. Oh and please do not mention Kuwait because Bush 41 gave Saddam Hussein tacit approval for that invasion until Saudi Arabia got their proverbial tits in a wringer and demanded the United States take action against Saddam Hussein during Gulf War 1. But do carry on with Your balderdash like a typical Righty.

Larry

Oh and Atax had there of been a UN Charter pre WW2 it would have automatically drew the Article 51 of said UN Charter declaring that if attacked nothing in the Present charter prevents any memnber state from defending themselves. But do carry on with Your balderdash.

Larry

Yes we would. There is noting to "win" there. There is no single government to defeat. There is no single enemy to fight. Russia learned that the hard way. Seems we weren't paying attention.

#23 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-10-19 04:08 PM

Let's get out.

POSTED BY HOPE4HOPE AT 11:00 AM | 27 COMMENTS | PERMALINK | COMMENT ON THIS ENTRY

Well written post.

Pay no attention to these swine.

#1 | POSTED BY DIABLO AT 2009-10-19 11:16 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

#2 | POSTED BY KBM AT 2009-10-19 11:52 AM | REPLY | FLAG

3 | POSTED BY ATAXPAYER AT 2009-10-19 11:59 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

as to this..

Yes we would. There is noting to "win" there. There is no single government to defeat. There is no single enemy to fight. Russia learned that the hard way. Seems we weren't paying attention.

#23 | POSTED BY KANREI AT 2009-10-19 04:08 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

There was a clear goal in the beginning.. I would suggest you read "First In" or "Jawbreaker"

Our first teams of CIA/Seal operatives on the ground did a real number on the Taliban forces and had we pressed them once they were cornered in the mountains in Tora Bora with all of our concentrated strength they would not have wiggled free.

However, we did not do that, so we are stuck in the same rotten situation that the soviets found themselves, albeit for different reasons.

right now, the real trick to Afghanistan is redevelopment, stability of government and putting people to work that are currently making a living toting a rifle around.

The only way to make that happen is to engage with the individual tribal leaders and get them on our side. Without getting taken for a ride by any of them.

Terorism needs to be dealt with as a Law Enforcement problem Not a Military problem.

The military is not an investigative body. They are not designed to root out conspirators.

Asking infantry Captains and Lieutenants (avg age 25 to 35) to Investigate this stuff is silly. These guys were trained to lead teams of men to fight other teams of men and make them dead. Not to get to the bottom of a crime.

The best people we have for that job are our Anti-Organised crime folks in the FBI, the way Afghanistan works is so close to the way Sicily or La Cosa Nostra here works its astonishing.

Family patriarchs who run substantial parts of the country unfettered by the government
Family feuds that are on par with low level war.

What we need here is not General whoever.
What we need here is another Sammy Gravano to rat em all out.

No one ever thought they would get an Underboss of one of the Five families to turn states evidence.
If enough pressure is placed on these Criminals, they will be caught, and dealt with.

By giving them our military to fight, we give them Airs, that they are Soldiers fighting the Infidel.

Thats horseshit.

They are garden variety thugs and should be treated as such.

And before you bring up Suicide Bombers.. do me a favor.

Think about what you are going to say first...

do you really think the guys Planning and Recruiting for (the guys we need to capture and imprison) terrorist attacks are the ones actually blowing themselves up?

no.. the poor saps they get to do that are nobodies.

Which is why they are so hard to stop.

And even so, stopping them has the same effect on the overall structure as stopping a 20 year old kid who works for the Gambinos that is knocking over a Liquor store or selling heroin on a street corner.. Its a tactical victory yes, but meaningless in the grand scheme.

Cut off the heads of these organizations like Hercules and the Hydra, Eventually they will wither and die.

"WHO GIVES A SHIT what BUSH did or did not do"

Anyone who cares about the country more than being an apologist for a horrible president who lied us into a war he couldn't be bothered to competently plan.

A better question is how could you be so stupid as to think nobody should care?

#12 | Posted by ATaxpayer: Come on LIBERALS tell your DADDY to grow some BALLS and send HELP or BRING THEM HOME NOW...

I agree. I hope one or the other happens quickly. You should post a story about the urgency in Afghanistan. But not examining the past makes us doomed to repeat it. Consider how much more help our soldiers would have in Afghanistan right now if Bush had not made the huge, irresponsible blunder of invading Iraq -- needlessly thinning military resources and sending our deficit skyrocketing. For what? It would be irresponsible of us not seek an answer to that question.

You know it dawns on Me that the ones wh say Get over it are the same SOB's who supported it. They do not want to face the fact that they themselves supported a War Crime and they are doing their level bests to shve it under abig assed rug someplace. Quite typical if You ask Me.

Larry

It is true that the hardest mistakes to face are those you made. I have a saying I use to combat that natural human inclination - There is only thing worse than making a mistake, that's not standing up and saying you made one.

"The Mistake" is Obama is NOT listening to his Theater Commander General McCrystal, who is advising him he needs 40,000 more troops to win the war in Afghanistan...

Wrighties (goes with wrong)whine about Obama not sending more troops in to "win" the war, yet loyally stood by Bush when he decided to ignore afghanistan, al queda, and 9-11 to go steal some oil (an idea that failed like everything else he did).
Since the wright has been proven so inept at war and foreign policy, wrighties should just shut up and quit embarrassing themselves. Geez, weren't you klowns bragging about Bush having won the afghan war about 3 years ago? About Iraq being a Mission Accomplished? And standing up to salute Karsick the Korrupt and his drug dealing Veep? Then again, you klowns thought Iranian spy Chalabi was the Iraqi george washington. Like I said, the wright should shut up until they learn to succeed at something. Then again, do we really want 768 "Does Obama want fries with that?" postings every day from the trainable wrighties?

BRING THEM HOME NOW...

#12 | Posted by ATaxpayer at 2009-10-19 02:34 PM | Reply | Flag:Defeatocrat cut and runner

Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah what about the Islamofascists they win if we surrender isn't that what Lokisfur said?? Bwhahahahahha we have come full circle again. bwhahahahahahaha Those Islamofascists are gonna winnnnnnnnnn wooooooooweeeeeee bwhahahahahhahaha Too fucking funny.

Larry

that's funny. this is my first post here. isn't that special?

Ann Coulter can only be topped by the one and only Nancy Grace. Douche Bags extraorinaire.

ISN'T IT FUNNY.

The libs attacked Bush because OBL wasn't in Iraq, but somehow it's OK for Obama to send 10's of 1000's of extra troops to fight and die in Afghanistan, where OBL also isn't!

The tactical issues that Coutler raises are completely valid. Whether they were part of Bush's plan or not is now irrelevant. But what we're left with is a president fighting a war for the same invalid reason, except this time the war is in a place where we cannot win.

Meanwhile, our ball-less president has the focus groups working at a frenzied pace trying to make his "decision" on sending troops. Tough choice. Betray your liberal friends or break your word to support the military commanders. And this commander is one that you assigned, so good luck blaming Bush on that one.

So what's he to do? How about at least 5 fundraisers, jaunting off to Europe, hanging out with Letterman, and photo-ops on your basketball court. What a disgrace of a man.

Oh I abhor Nancy Grace. She rarely lets people talk and loves to jump into the talking if it isn't going Her way. I'd hate to Be Her Hubby. Man oh Mannnnnnnn. I'd be sleeping in the broom closet for sure.

Larry

Don't You find it odd that people like Dinsey are pitching a bitch because a President is being cautious in sending more troops into a place instead of just jumping to whatever someone else wants or even what He wants Himself. Funny how that all works out.

Larry

1. Information of WMDs was given to Bush by the CIA. This was same information that the Russian and Israeli intelligence agencies had. He acted on that information. Liberal wimps like Carter and Obama wouldn't ever have the balls to proactively protect freedom and promote democracy throughout the world. Look at the impotence of the U.N.

2. People in Iraq voted in democratic elections for the first time, sporting their proud purple thumbs. Why aren't liberals thrilled with that? Oh yeh, I forgot, liberals prefer to worship the likes of Che, Chavez and Castro.

3. Women in Iraq were freed from rape rooms and given basic human rights. Why aren't liberals thrilled with this advancement in human rights? Where is NOW? (Actually should be called NOLW - since it is for liberal, feminists only.)

Liberalism is a disease that affects the most basic of brain function. The fact is that it doesn't matter how much has been accomplished in Iraq. It doesn't matter that we have built major infrastructure for the Iraqi people. It doesn't matter because the only thing that liberals care about is hating Bush. They can't even think or see straight through their HATE.

"Information of WMDs was given to Bush by the CIA"

So did we find any of those WMDs?

"Women in Iraq were freed from rape rooms and given basic human rights."

Huh? Women have less rights now than they did under Saddam.

"Why aren't liberals thrilled with this advancement in human rights?"

Maybe because it's step backwards.

Ummmmmmmmm We aren't accomplishing squat in Iraq. You talk about building Major infrastructure in Iraq for the Iraqi people. I would hope so cause we bombed the shit out of their Country. We took a Secular Regime and installed a THEOCRACY where the Quran is FINAL Judgement. We turned a once thriving Country into ruin just for Oil Greed. Hell Women are now reduced to Second class status thanks to the invasion. Look Saddam Hussein was a Bastard and tyrannt but He kept His Country in check. Can't say that now can You. Oh and as far as those elections go did You know that if they didn't vote they wouldn't have received their food rations for the coming months. It's FUBAR deluxe.

Larry

Yes, it was the information that he had at the time.
In addition, Saddam had used chemical weapons in the 1980s against the Kurdish. He also went after obtaining a biological program. These are known facts.

But you're okay with that, since you libs love dictators.

Also, Danforth, please respond to points #2 and #3.

Oh yeh, those points don't matter, since there weren't any WMDs.

Yes Saddam Hussein used Chemical Weapons in the 1980's against the Kurds. The Very same Chemical Weapons a one Ronald Wilson Reagan gave Him to use. Did You know Ronald Wilson Reagan also gave Saddam logistics and other material helps during the Iran Iraq war?? We supplied Him with a lot of shit during that period of time. We were best buds until Saudi Arabia got their knickers in a bunch and DEMANDED Bush41 to stop Saddam Hussein from getting bigger with His USA Approved invasion of Kuwait.

Larry

Your have no facts. Just nonsense rhetoric, which is probably ripped directly from the lying pages of treasonist sites like the Huffington Post and NY Times. You will never get your facts straight because you never want to.

Don't forget to bow down and pray to your Karl Marx shrine before you go to bed.

Educate yourself...Iraq invaded Kuwait...you forgot that little fact.

All you can do is defend the likes of Sadam Hussein...why am I not suprised.

Yes Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait with the United States blessings too. Go read up on April Glaspie sometime and You too will see the truth. It wasn't until Saudi Arabia demanded the United States put a stop to it and beings Bush 41 is great friends with the Royal Saudi's He double crossed Saddam and stopped Him.

Larry

For rsk and ANYONE else. This is NOT Spam this is a video of the History of Saddam Hussein and the United States

Maybe Diablow has had enough LSD-induced perinatal experiences to have vicariously given birth to of each and every one of the 4,200+ US deaths in Iraq. He certainly catches his "Zzzz"s as if he were very at peace, as if there were all totally dispensable.

"IEDs blasting young Americans into blood, brains, and guts. At least I'm not over there. Yaaaaaaaaawnzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
zz"

"Haha, funny Mud-People shooting each other to ribbons. Hope no White Boys get caught in the cross-fire...what? Oh, yawn....How are the altar boys doing today?"

"Priceless artifacts stolen from one of the foundations of modern civilization? Zzzz.........but, has the altar boy's ruby star fruit been yet violated????"

Otherwise, he should probably STFU and get himself banned again for being a fallacious fundie fuckwit.

the righties on the DR.

hillariously huge losers
hahhahahahah
diablo, chapel, kbm , a taxpayer hahahahahahhahahaha

bitching about obama on the reg. yet yawn when the truth about their own party's massive failures.

sorry guys, your going to here about how stupid Iraq was for the rest of your lives. keep up the obama deflection, it makes you look like cry babies.

live with it... your party and bush did one of the biggest fuck up's in american history and you think its going to die before the next in lines presidents 1st year is up. 5 presidents from now, they are going to be feeling the after affects of the false war.

here = hear.

"for the rest of your lives"

oh wait..thats only going to be a few years since your all old and irrelevant.

Come on Bushites Defend Your piece of shit Dubya. Come on I dare ya. bwhahahahahahahahahahaha

#41 | Posted by rsk: Information of WMDs was given to Bush by the CIA.

Here is the statement of George Tenet, then Director of Central Intelligence, on the information given to Bush concerning the WMDs. The information was conflicting and at a point called "highly dubious."

It's Anne Coulter. Of course she's going to say the stupidest things possible to try to piss of reasonable-minded folk. Haven't heard her name for a while. Thought she'd already faded into obscurity.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....

#1 | Posted by Diablo

Yeah, we get it.

Yer brain's asleep.

Anyone who's read so much as one of yer postings will already be painfully well aware of this fact.

My favorite part of the column was Coulter pointing out in a pirate-pillaging tone that Iraq is rich with oil for the U.S. to control.

Rationalisations to the public aside, Iraq has always been about oil.

More specifically how controlling oil reserves in this part of the world translates into being a vital component of America's doctrinally defined "National Security Interests".

The Carter Doctrine, instigated when Soviet tanks were rolling towards Afghanistan, states that it's not only okay but neccessary to prevent the oil reserves in this part of the world falling into foreign domination.

It was in the words of Carter modelled after the wording in the Monroe doctrine and established to "to make it very clear that the Soviets should stay away from the Persian Gulf."

Reagan redefined this further.

Carter's successor, President Ronald Reagan, extended the policy in October 1981 with what is sometimes called the "Reagan Corollary to the Carter Doctrine", which proclaimed that the United States would intervene to protect Saudi Arabia, whose security was threatened after the outbreak of the IranIraq War. Thus, while the Carter Doctrine warned away outside forces from the region, the Reagan Corollary pledged to secure internal stability.

Cont...

Anyhoo now that we're all being honest about Iraq being about controlling those once nationalised reserves and not imaginary WMD or feigned shock about the brutality of regime that was for so long America's ally in the region we can a least begin to discuss the situation with a little more of a grounding in reality.

That's good thinks Spud.

Spud sees the biggest winners in the Iraq "War" as being Saudi Arabia, Iran, Israel and, ultimately, the Iraqi people*

/*Despite and not because of Bush's ill-fated venture.

Spud sees the biggest losers in this war as the US Economy, the grieving families and lives of those lost on all sides and, of course, the Iraqi people.

Nice writing, btw, Hope.

Be Well.

/Yup, like a bad penny, always turning up
stage left.

Sorry Spud but You're full of shit. The Iraqwis haven't won shit and won't win shit. Hell Now Women are second class citizens. You call that a Win?????????????

Larry

"We now know that there were no WMDs in Iraq"....

We do? You're sure? I'm not. Check under that last sand dune on the left before you assert 100% positiveness to that negative, sparky. What killed those hundreds of thousands of Kurds in the 90s? Swine flu?

60 million purple thumbed Iraqis say "Thank you for freeing us", despite your inability to hear them, you deaf and brain-dead liberal. Your hatred of Bush and worship of Obama has blinded you to what little reality your drug-addled mind can still grasp.

You call that a Win?????????????

If the Iraqis can rebuild themselves from the rubble they've been left in they will have won in that they will no longer be under the control of a ruthless sadistic genocidal dictator and will be free, perhaps fer the first time in their lives, to control their own destinies towards a better future.

In that a once non-secular state is now a fundie hotbed where women are second class citizens, where Morality Police now roam the streets, where over a million have died and millions more have fled where their industries have been subsumed by the west, where the remnants of hundreds of thousands of pounds of DU amunitions will be glowing fer a billion years making women give birth to monsters?

K, That's an undeniable loss.

Read more carefully, Larry.

Spud sed the Iraqi people were BOTH the biggest losers and winners.

No shit.

Be Well.

What killed those hundreds of thousands of Kurds in the 90s?

American supplied WMD back when he was yer boy.

The co-ordinates fer Halabja were also provided to Saddam by American AWACs.

Thanx fer askin'.

Be Well.

"Check under the last sand dune to the left before you leave....?"

Still looking for WMD in Iraq? You mean Bush couldn't have checked that same sand dune somewhere between 2003 and 2009?

Maybe the WMD are in Syria, taken there by that line of eighteen wheelers he wouldn't order air strikes against?

The argument for the Iraq War the Right made at the time was we couldn't be SURE about WMD in Iraq unless we invaded that country and LOOKED for it physically.

Now we learn even that wasn't really enough. What strange, strange people.

#61 | Posted by AdifferentBob: "We now know that there were no WMDs in Iraq".... We do? You're sure? I'm not.

Not even Bush now argues that Iraq had WMDs.

The facts are that Bush's invasion of Iraq was illegal.

Congressional vote was to confront the ongoing threat posed by Iraq. By March 2003, Bush KNEW Iraq posed no threat. Therefore, use of military for invasion was illegal. (See congressional letter to bush week before invasion calling into question and refuting intel on WMD).

The UN resolutions called for new inspections. (see UN Resolution 1441) It also called for the matter to be revisited at council-meaning another vote to authorize an invasion. (see interpretations of 1441 from the big 5 countries) Bush knew this, bush drafted said resolution,(see resolution drafted by Bush) bush said NO MATTER WHAT he would call for the second vote, (see press conference in early March 2003) He didnt.

Bush waged a war of agression.

And to argue that the ends justifies the means that is laughable. the costs of keeping troops in Iraq FAR outweighs any economic benefit to our nation. And in the distant future when we have removed ourselves from occupying Iraq is highly unlikely that Iraq will be supportive of our national policies.

We have fought and died and pissed out national treaure into the sands of iraq to create a nation that will be hostile to our interests-whether it be in the form of a religously based government or a nominally democratic instituted government.

Well done.

Worthless war of profit. Republicans love death and money. They got both with this war.

"Information of WMDs was given to Bush by the CIA"

Cheney's office cherry-picked the Intel to get what they wanted, using it even after it had been discredited by the CIA and foreign intel ops. Yellow-cake and the Saddam-Osama link come to mind. The prime source for the WMD "intel" was an Iranian agent code-named Curveball and run by John McLost's buddy,Iranian agent Achmed Chalabi and the Iranian controlled Iraqi National Congress.

Face it, the FAILURE-IN-A-FLIGHTSUIT got suckered into pissing away a trillion dollars and 4300 American lives by the mad ayatollahs in Iran. Bush basically set up an Iranian client state and handed them the keys to Iraq's oil reserves. And the Right cheered him on long after it became clear to everyone.

Party over Country at its finest.

In fairness, we lefties do have to give some credit to the righties here. It can't be easy for them to have to admit the man the worshipped for 8 years is in fact a loser. It must suck for them to admit BUSH LET BIN LADEN ESCAPE, the taliban DEFEATED BUSH in afghanistan and the Iranians and sunni jihadists DEFEATED BUSH in Iraq. Next up, getting them to admit BUSH FAILED America on 9-11...

"60 million purple thumbed Iraqis say "Thank you for freeing us", despite your inability to hear them, you deaf and brain-dead liberal."

Before you call someone else brain dead you might find out that 60 million is more than twice the total population of Iraq stupid.

Population of Iraq: 28,945,657 (July 2009 est.)

I get a laugh every time I listen to people like Coulter talk about how much we accomplished in Iraq.

Accomplishment is something we should all sit back and enjoy without remorse. It is not something that has divided the country, broke the bank, got hundreds of thousands killed and soiled the face of American freedom and liberty world wide.

Only a self serving bitch like Coulter could so accurately portray what's wrong with American and British hegemony while attempting to twist the facts into the exact opposite.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....
.

#1 | Posted by Diablo at 2009-10-19 11:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

Time to get over it.

#2 | Posted by KBM at 2009-10-19 11:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

You wish it would all just go away. Welcome to your nightmares.

I don't have problems sleeping at night or justifying my moral beliefs concerning this war. I was against it from the beginning.

You jerks, on the other hand, will spend the rest of eternity trying to justify this immoral disaster of military deception and horrible planning. You deserve it.

General McCrystal, who is advising him he needs 40,000 more troops to win the war in Afghanistan...

#9 | Posted by ATaxpayer at 2009-10-19 02:10 PM | Reply |

Like the Russians did.

And the British.

Before you call someone else brain dead you might find out that 60 million is more than twice the total population of Iraq stupid.

They must have had Diebold counting the votes.

Time to get over it.

#2 | Posted by KBM at 2009-10-19 11:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

YEAH!!!

Just 'Get over it', all 5000 dead soldiers!

Just 'Get over it', all the friends and families of those dead soldiers.

Also, you shit-heaps whine about spending yet it's 'GET OVER IT' when I comes to a Trillion Dollar War that brought us NOTHING in return.

"The Mistake" is Obama is NOT listening to his Theater Commander General McCrystal, who is advising him he needs 40,000 more troops to win the war in Afghanistan...

Obama is the current President NOT BUSH he needs to make a choice, send in more troops or GET THE HELL OUT. President Obama has spent more time with David Lettermen than he has with the Theater commander while AMERICAN SOLDIERS DIE how PATHETIC...

#9 | Posted by ATaxpayer at 2009-10-19 02:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

You and your dramatics are hilarious.
Stop pretending that the troops are currently pinned down under heavy fire and Obama won't let reinforcements go help them.

Its ok for Bush to fire Shinseki and ignore requests for additional troops (all while troops died) but Obama rethinking the strategy and waiting for the new election is now grounds for faux outrage and dramatics?

40,000 more to win the War? Ummm...sure. ok.

General McChrystal met with MAC DADDY for 25 minutes after he finished his DOG and PONY show at the International Olympic Committee. MAC DADDY has spent far more time on the olympics and David Letterman than he has on OUR SOLDIERS...

76 days and counting since General McChrystal requested additional forces, and the clock continues to tick, while AMERICAN SOLDIERS DIE waiting for help...

I KNOW BUSH'S FAULT...

#21 | Posted by ATaxpayer at 2009-10-19 03:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

DRAMA QUEEN, It's called a 'chain of command'.

Sorry, but once again your argument is completely weak.

If inflicting Rape,Robbery and Death are such a Good Strategy - then it would also look most becoming on Ms.Coulter too!!!

Before you call someone else brain dead you might find out that 60 million is more than twice the total population of Iraq stupid.

He's counting the Iranians who welcome Iraq as their new province. You can tell how grateful the Iraqis are by the fact Bush had to sneak into Iraq while Iranian President Amandapajamas gets greeted like a superstar.

"Our mistake. If there was that much hope for them, they wouldn't be on the right anyway.
#8 | Posted by zeropointnrg"

"The Mistake" is Obama is NOT listening to his Theater Commander General McCrystal, who is advising him he needs 40,000 more troops to win the war in Afghanistan...
Obama is the current President NOT BUSH he needs to make a choice, send in more troops or GET THE HELL OUT. President Obama has spent more time with David Lettermen than he has with the Theater commander while AMERICAN SOLDIERS DIE how PATHETIC...
#9 | Posted by ATaxpayer at 2009-10-19 02:10 PM

Heroin, we are not there for any other reasons.

McCrystal is just one of a long string of pearls meant to choke the population into capitulation. He's a "warrior" for Afghani heroin, nothing more.

"Win" - you are full of shit! The new Taliban leadership comes from Pakistan government and military! The CIA invented them in the 80's to wipe out any Democratic-leaning Afghan government and now it's being outsourced to a neighbor furthering perpetuation.

Tosser - please tell them what they've "won" behind curtain number two.. "It's - a brand new power vacuum!"

60 million purple thumbed Iraqis say "Thank you for freeing us"
30 million live at this moment in Iraq, where are the others of this happy bunch?

Let's say that Bush and Cheney invaded Iraq just to liberate the people because as everybody now knows their claims that Saddam was working with Al Qaeda and had WMD were complete BS.

You'd have to overlook the fact that they were both oilmen. You'd have to believe that Cheney's energy talks with oilmen in the White House a month or two after taking office were just a complete coincidence and that his strenuous efforts to keep them secret are irrelevant.

You'd have to believe that people like Paul O'Neill and Richard Clarke were lying when they said that Iraq was on the Bush/Cheney agenda from Day One.

You'd have to believe that Bush interrupting Condi Rice's early 2002 White House meeting discussing options for Iraq with "Fuck Saddam, we're taking him out" was just George joshing around.

You'd have to believe that the head of British intelligence had got it all wrong when he said that "the facts[about Iraq/Al Qaeda/WMD] were being fixed around the policy to invade" rather than vice versa.

You'd have to believe all kinds of other unlikely events to avoid concluding that it was for the oil.

Of course, if you're a Republican from the Bush era(and even beyond) you can ignore all this easily and insist that it was all brilliant strategy from the greatest President this country has ever had. The more like Coulter and her many co-propagandists you are the easier you will find this.

The rest of us look at it, see oil, Cheney, Halliburton and a useless president and conclude it was about the oil and the transfer of wealth out of the public treasury to their cronies. Period. End of story. Literally for all our dead troops and the hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis.

We had no terrorist attacks in 2002-2008 Bush years. It is now Nobama's war .Stop talking about Bush and do something if your so smart.

We had no terrorist attacks in 2002-2008 Bush years.

Actually, there was an increase of terrorist attacks from 2002-2008 with the most Americans dying to terrorism under Bush's watch.

#83 | Posted by JJD1187: We had no terrorist attacks in 2002-2008. It is now Nobama's war.

WHO GIVES A SHIT what BUSH did or did not do, this is the BEST Liberals can do to DEFLECT criticism from OBAMA/GOD...

#3 | Posted by ATaxpayer at 2009-10-19 11:59 AM | Reply |

Could you post any more retarded? Why even type this shit out?

I wasn't even gonna bother with the reply, but you had to put down several posts of stupid. I mean really? Like to troll much?

DEAR ATAXPAYER; I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOUR CAPSLOCK KEY....

ONCE YOU FIGURE THAT OUT, TRY MAKING SENSE IN YOUR COMMENTS INSTEAD OF WASTING MY TIME.

We had no terrorist attacks in 2002-2008 Bush years. It is now Nobama's war .Stop talking about Bush and do something if your so smart.

#83 | Posted by JJD1187 at 2009-10-22 10:16 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Liar Liar Pants on Fire.

2002
June 14, Karachi, Pakistan: bomb explodes outside American consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 12. Linked to al-Qaeda.
2003 1
May 12, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: suicide bombers kill 34, including 8 Americans, at housing compounds for Westerners. Al-Qaeda suspected.
2004
May 2931, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: terrorists attack the offices of a Saudi oil company in Khobar, Saudi Arabia, take foreign oil workers hostage in a nearby residential compound, leaving 22 people dead including one American.
June 1119, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: terrorists kidnap and execute Paul Johnson Jr., an American, in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. 2 other Americans and BBC cameraman killed by gun attacks.
Dec. 6, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia: terrorists storm the U.S. consulate, killing 5 consulate employees. 4 terrorists were killed by Saudi security.
2005
Nov. 9, Amman, Jordan: suicide bombers hit 3 American hotels, Radisson, Grand Hyatt, and Days Inn, in Amman, Jordan, killing 57. Al-Qaeda claimed responsibility.
2006
Sept. 13, Damascus, Syria: an attack by four gunman on the American embassy is foiled.
2007
Jan. 12, Athens, Greece: the U.S. embassy is fired on by an anti-tank missile causing damage but no injuries.
Dec. 11, Algeria: more than 60 people are killed, including 11 United Nations staff members, when Al Qaeda terrorists detonate two car bombs near Algeria's Constitutional Council and the United Nations offices.
2008
May 26, Iraq: a suicide bomber on a motorcycle kills six U.S. soldiers and wounds 18 others in Tarmiya.
June 24, Iraq: a suicide bomber kills at least 20 people, including three U.S. Marines, at a meeting between sheiks and Americans in Karmah, a town west of Baghdad.
June 12, Afghanistan: four American servicemen are killed when a roadside bomb explodes near a U.S. military vehicle in Farah Province.
July 13, Afghanistan: nine U.S.soldiers and at least 15 NATO troops die when Taliban militants boldly attack an American base in Kunar Province, which borders Pakistan. It's the most deadly against U.S. troops in three years.
Aug. 18 and 19, Afghanistan: as many as 15 suicide bombers backed by about 30 militants attack a U.S. military base, Camp Salerno, in Bamiyan. Fighting between U.S. troops and members of the Taliban rages overnight. No U.S. troops are killed.
Sept. 16, Yemen: a car bomb and a rocket strike the U.S. embassy in Yemen as staff arrived to work, killing 16 people, including 4 civilians. At least 25 suspected al-Qaeda militants are arrested for the attack.
Nov. 26, India: in a series of attacks on several of Mumbai's landmarks and commercial hubs that are popular with Americans and other foreign tourists, including at least two five-star hotels, a hospital, a train station, and a cinema. About 300 people are wounded and nearly 190 people die, including at least 5 Americans.
2009
Feb. 9, Iraq:A suicide bomber kills four American soldiers and their Iraqi translator near a police checkpoint.
April 10, Iraq:A suicide attack kills five American soldiers and two Iraqi policemen.

We had no terrorist attacks in 2002-2008 Bush years. It is now Nobama's war .Stop talking about Bush and do something if your so smart.

#83 | Posted by JJD1187 at 2009-10-22 10:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

You do realize that the Bush presidency began in January 2001, right?

It didn't start on Sep 12, 2001.

As for 'stop talking abut Bush and do something smart', perhaps you should do something 'smart' and realize that this thread is ABOUT BUSH and his decision to go to war.

Damn....you are too fucking stupid to post here. Seriously, I wonder how you even know how to turn the computer on. Are you using a library computer? Wait....what was I thinking...library.....silly me.

"your so smart"

Gotta love those self-retorting retorts.

Zat -- I was out near your way this morning. I picked up some great homemade tamales just outside of Bastrop. I'm munching on them now.

Got some unusual ones. Sweet potato and another kind made with cream cheese and jalapeno. The pork ones are outstanding.

HO GIVES A SHIT what BUSH did or did not do,

General McCrystal is asking for more TROOPS RIGHT NOW

another story missed by the SHIT PACKERS in the MSM...

#3 | POSTED BY ATAXPAYER AT 2009-10-19 11:59 AM

Uh, I care. The families of those who died and were maimed care. The iraqis care. Anyone with a brain cares about the bush fk up.

How many countries that didn't attack the usa has obama invaded?

Did he create the situation?

Apparently, considering the presidential recount, obama is doing exactly the right thing by listening to many opinions from various experts and not giving into the knee jerk reactionaries calling mcchrystal's chain of command fk up a necessity. Waiting to see what politically is going to occur only makes sense before sending any more troops than he already has....

Which is 21k in April and 13k more support this month...so stop your hysterical BS and join the fk up if you are so supportive of sending more troops. Many of them are on their 3rd/4th deployments to war zones as sitting duck targets for occupied insurgents/citizens.

Let me guess?

Racist AND homophobic?

Askeered of your own shadow, eh?

LOL

Uh, I care. The families of those who died and were maimed care.

Uh, fine. Care. But don't try to equate it with what the Messiah is doing now

Actually Bush had good reason to utter those 16 words, at least according to the impartial fact checkers at :

My messiah is sitting at the hand of God.

Your smarmy namecalling bs reeks of karl rove and the politics of spite.

And at a time of economic and foreign policy crisis.

But don't let that stop you from bashing the person elected to attempt to fix 8 years of mistakes.

Your smarmy namecalling bs reeks of karl rove and the politics of spite.

let's review my names for rw propagandists and neocon chickenhawks

bully o'lielly
handjobbity
crybaby becky
rushaddict
unkkkle kkkarl
lilaWol
hallichainy
rummydumb
wolfyhair
scooter....I just couldn't make something like that up,eh? LOL

Have a nice night....

Posted by woke at 2009-10-14 08:33 PM |

I know it's way overstated, but you can't make this stuff up folks.

#97 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-22 07:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

Which one of those was elected?

Which one of those was elected?

lilawol, (I think. I believe that is supposed to be bush, he said, but don't ask me to explain) hallichainey, who is dick cheney.

Why do you ask?

Goatman

Did you see me call any person MESSIAH?

THINK how many people you insult with that......I'm insulting the propagandists and neocons who screwed the pooch and put the USA in the situation it currently faces. Wanna try to deny that they did?

You, on the other hand are not only insulting Obama, but all the people who voted for him, all the people who believe in a messiah as the son of God.

And you are welcome to it.

Psa 139:20 For they speak against thee wickedly, [and] thine enemies take [thy name] in vain.

Exd 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

Enjoy

Did you see me call any person MESSIAH?

No. But I saw you chastizing people for calling names when you in fact bragged about the names you created for political figures. Is this your stance? Name calling is only allowable if you apply the names and since you didn't apply "messiah", no one else can?

What a fucking joke you are. LOL

THINK how many people you insult with that......

???

You don't care who you insult. Why should I care whom I insult? Another application of the double standard?

You, on the other hand are not only insulting Obama, but all the people who voted for him, all the people who believe in a messiah as the son of God.

So? They are as brain dead as you and deserve any insult hurled at them. Sue me, clown. LOL

So? They are as brain dead as you

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doubtful!

It's your perogative to insult millions of people who believe in a Messiah and take the Lord's name in vain, goatman......

Be my guest.

Kinda puts a kink in that self-righteous, rightwingers are religious bullshit though, don't it?

Kinda puts a kink in that self-righteous, rightwingers are religious bullshit though, don't it?

No. That is my opinion as an atheist. Do not group me with them. They do not want me to be a part of them, either.

That aside, you are a hypocrite for denouncing those who call names of political figures when you yourself brag about the names you made up. (stupid names at that. Not exactly any I'd be bragging about. LOL lilawol? WTF?)

Read 'em and weep (...and this isn't even from Fox News)..it is from the UK.