The battle's not won, but enlightenment begins.

I figured it was only a matter of time the moment california began getting tax revenue from medical dispensaries. Pot may not be addicting, but money sure is to the gov.

In and of itself, a good enough reason to vote for Obama. It actually does matter who is the White House and what letter is after his name, despite the dumbass rantings of dumbshits who say stupid fucking things like "there's not a dime's worth of difference between the parties".

Null, how did I know you would be the first poster? I still can't believe I got the headline in ahead of you lol

good for arizona too.Years ago medicinal marijuana was voted in by referendum by the citizens.The state legislature COWARDS refused to stand up against the federal govt for local rights.maybe someday.

We could all be our own pharmicists

Marijuana has a calming effect on me. The Demons are held at bay that talk to me every once in a while.

In and of itself, a good enough reason to vote for Obama.

While I can be glad that this is a policy coming out of his administration, it's not a good enough reason to vote for Obama. It's not why I voted for him.

It is progress, but it's not getting us out of Iraq, Afghanistan or removing any of the various executive orders signed in by the previous administration.

Why the medical facade? Adults should be allowed to smoke it for fun.

"While I can be glad that this is a policy coming out of his administration, it's not a good enough reason to vote for Obama"

Good enough for me. Good enough for the thousands of medical marijuana users who were terrorized by Bush DEA thugs for 8 years.

"but enlightenment begins"
#1 | Posted by zeropointnrg

Walking around in a dazed, confused state is enlightenment? Will you will next say pot is harmless while tobacco is dangerous?

"Why the medical facade? "

Because prohibitionist assholes made it necessary. Be thankful for the medical marijuana movement. They did the heavy lifting and the eventual goal, full legalization, is in sight. There are 3 legalization initiatives gathering signatures in Cali for 2010.

"Walking around in a dazed, confused state is enlightenment?"

You're an idiot that obviously haven't used the herb. Of course, you're an idiot in either case, but I digress. There are strains that are energizing and enhance concentration and other strains that glue you to the couch.

The Bush administration's refusal to honor or even recognize those states' decisions -- by arresting people for doing things which are perfectly legal under state law -- was one of many examples giving the lie to the conservative movement's alleged belief in federalism and limited federal power (see here, for instance, how John Ashcroft and GOP Senators tried deceitfully and undemocratically to exploit the aftermath of 9/11 to prevent Oregon from implementing its assisted suicide law). Constitutionally and otherwise, what possible justification is there for federalizing decisions about whether individuals can use marijuana for medical purposes? Ironically (given the "socialism" and "fascism" rhetoric spewed at it by the Fox News faction), the Obama administration's decision is a major advancement for the rights of states to have their laws respected by the federal government.

The War on Drugs is the pernicious precursor to the War on Terror in so many ways, beginning with the relentless erosion of civil liberties; endless expansions of federal powers of detention, surveillance and militarized involvement in other countries; and a general pretext for remaining in an endless "war" posture. Anything that moves even a little bit towards abandoning the orthodoxies which sustain it should be applauded. And whatever else is true, being free of gun-wielding DEA agents is a real benefit for people with serious illnesses and those who provide them with medical treatments prescribed by their physicians.

Nullifidian? I was asking that question rhetorically. Calm down.

Will you will next say pot is harmless while tobacco is dangerous?

Smoking is dangerous... it's the byproducts of combustion that are toxic. THC and related cannabinoids are far safer drugs than nicotine, both in terms of addictive potential and toxicity.

Here at ground zero in the legalization movement the prohibitionists are making one last desperate stand, doomed to failure.

Haven't they made this announcement a few times already? And haven't DEA arrests at medicinal marijuana shops occurred regardless? It's a good idea, to be sure, but I'll believe it when I see it.

"And haven't DEA arrests at medicinal marijuana shops occurred regardless? "

Yes. There are some shady, criminal operations out there. That's the problem with stopping short of full legalization.

Was there any evidence of criminal activity (i.e. nonconformity with state law) at this raid?

How about this raid? Any violations of state law? The article says there were no arrests.

Stop your bitching, Joe. Obama has accomplished more for medical marijuana patients in 9 months then the irrelevant Libertarian Party has done in it's entire, useless existence.

What has he accomplished if there are still raids? Can you point to any tangible achievements?

I'll admit this memo is a step in the right direction. But given that they've made several similar announcements that have been followed by DEA raids, anyone who thinks they have any accomplishments in this area has a screw loose.

I already explain why there may still be raids in the future. Not all dispensaries are run by nice people. Duh. Dumbass.

I know there will still be raids where criminal activity is occurring. I'm asking why the raids I linked to happened since there apparently were no violations of state law. If you have no answer, just STFU.

I don't care about your links, dumbass. I wasn't at those raids, neither were you. Bottom line is the War on Drugs is being scaled back. The Obama administration gave tacit approval to Mexico's legalization. This is good progress, accomplished without any help from the your Goofytarian party. As always, you just stand on the sidelines and whine.

#9, I will indeed call pot harmless, especially next to tobacco. The only real comparison is all the tar one gets in the lungs from smoking, but that's far from the only means of ingestion.

By the way, even tobacco can have medicinal effects - though there tend to be contraindications that don't make it highly preferred, yet nicotine is a broncho-dilator for instance, oddly giving some people with mild asthma the ability to smoke, which yes, makes no sense at all. Also, I remember in the military being taught that eating about a cigarette's worth of tobabcco was enough to kill internal parasites (as well as provide stomach cramps and severe diahrea.) So, is smoking good for you? Duh, no. Should the plant be eradicated and demonized because people use it stupidly? I'm going to have to go with no, chemicals may yet be isolated that have uses.

Now that was tobacco, something I personally hate. I smoked for 14 years before kicking that disgusting habit. Unlike cigarettes, which are legal, I might add, pot is not addicting, can be ingested with vaporisors or butter for that matter, should you feel inclined to cook, and has never been shown to cause cancer in a lab. For use in cancer treatment, I personally have anecdotal evidence of viewing a terminal patient start using it, which allowed him to put on weight, as well as drastically reduce the opiate-based painkillers he was taking, which were a whole lot harder on his body than the marijuana ever would be. It may have extended his life a little, (through the strength gained with increased appetite) it certainly increased his quality of life.

Finally, if you're going to just naysay it's benefits, let me leaving you some links, starting with one from fox news, of all things.

Until the feds change the law, this policy is nothing more than a realignment of resources in response to funding shortfalls.

Note that there is nothing that changes current federal law concerning arrest and punishment for possession of controlled substances.

No doubt though that the various states will be pushing to make Herb all legal if only for the increased revenues. Revenue enhancement is the wrong reason to legalize: it certainly does fly in the face of all those moral arguments about why Herb should not be legalized.

Hypocrisy still rules.

"Was there any evidence of criminal activity (i.e. nonconformity with state law) at this raid?

stopthedrugwar.org"

You idiot. Did you look at the date? That raid was 3 days after Obama was sworn in. Your own fucking link mentions that Bush officials were still on the job, shyster.

"About the "new" federal medical marijuana policy"

"The question is: Why is this "news?"

"The "clarifying" memo that will be sent out today, seven months after Holder first announced the "shift," makes clear that the Obama administration will actually retain the same discretion the Bush administration exercises to prosecute someone whose activities are deemed legal in states that allow medical marijuana use."

"In other words, they will continue Bush-era policies when they find it expedient to do so in the future but they want praise and obeisance from the Left for paying lip service to Transformative Change now. It's the Obama way!"

Until people at the DEA get fired for participating in raids and investigations against people in MM States, nothing will change. The folks who run dispensaries or join co-ops aren't helped by flattering statements, they need Federal intervention from the Chief Executive, not abstinence.

We need an Executive Order, signed, stamped, and dated, stating that the next G-man motherfucker who violates State Law is gonna be filling out accident reports in Iowa for the rest of their "career".

"michellemalkin.com"

Who gives a shit what that stupid bitch thinks? Might as well post something from WorldNutDaily.

And the other link referenced a raid in late July. Was that one Bush's fault too? There have been threads here about recent raids in California. Don't act like you're too dump to remember.

dumb

Two good (possible) outcomes for this:

'Decriminalization' will lead to taxing it and taking it out of the gangs hands.

It also leaves more money/resources for fighting other fronts of the drug war.

And while the policy memo describes a change in priorities away from prosecuting medical marijuana cases, it does not rule out the possibility that the federal government could still prosecute someone whose activities are allowed under state law.

The illusion of change and a change of the illusion.

Good enough for me. Good enough for the thousands of medical marijuana users who were terrorized by Bush DEA thugs for 8 years.

Would you still be satisfied if, in 3 years, this is his one great accomplishment even though it not really any different from past administrations saying that they wouldn't be going after MM users?

You're easy to please.

"And the other link referenced a raid in late July. "

Holy shit. You just keep stepping into it, "counselor"

Check out the date...

DEA agents raid Culver City medical marijuana dispensary
July 31, 2008 Los Angeles Times

Fucking Obama! Why didn't he stop these raids in 2008!

--Joe

It just made sense to spend the $$ on the doctor to get the magic card in my wallet. Say what you will about the Land O' Fruits & Nuts, at least I can safely indulge in a puff or two of consistently high quality wheezy here in sunny California without worrying about the barneys jumping out of the bushes and harshing my buzz.

Stop buying Mexican schwag...Buy American! (this message is brought to you by the California Bud Growers Association. Remember...if it ain't from Humbolt, it ain't worth smoking)

Until people at the DEA get fired for participating in raids and investigations against people in MM States, nothing will change.

We need an Executive Order, signed, stamped, and dated, stating that the next G-man motherfucker who violates State Law is gonna be filling out accident reports in Iowa for the rest of their "career".

#30 | Posted by BluSky

You're just not getting it.

Fed law trumps. You can get your pantyhose all twisted up about it. Doesn't matter.

How can an Exec order be signed (let alone created) that allows a State to expressly violate Federal law? I don't believe our system works that way.

Fed law trumps.

Wrong. State law trumps Federal law if said law is unconstitutional per 10th Amendment. Since it took an amendment to outlaw alcohol, then logic states it takes one to outlaw other drugs as well.

Whatever, Null. Here's a raid from late March.

One could honestly ask where federal law pulls the authority from in the first place. Drug laws seem like exactly the sort of laws left to states in the constitution.

Stop buying Mexican schwag...Buy American! (this message is brought to you by the California Bud Growers Association. Remember...if it ain't from Humbolt, it ain't worth smoking)

#38 | Posted by dutch46

you ain't just whistling Dixie!

They need to take the gray out of the laws so we can pay our taxes too.

So Obama is for states rights or just wanted to make sure his supply is protected? Think of the taxes we could collect if we just repealed every law and taxed the behavior. Think of the money we would save on prisons and police. Well, I guess if you were going to cheat on your taxes and then try to be taxed on that behavior, it might not work so well. Back to the drawing board.

If it feels good, do it! - the left.

You're just not getting it.

Sure I am. Pulling the GDP and NYCSD down this week. Since it is a clone-only F1 I needed a State approved dispensary to 'get it'. The Super Silver Haze will be a few more weeks; seeds from Arjan himself I bought legally in Holland.

My nearest neighbor is California Highway Patrol. I took him to the garden to pick squash not too long ago. He smiled, took a whiff, and congratulated me on my beautiful girls....he's "not getting it" though, not that he'd want to.

Fed law trumps.

From here in gorgeous NorCal it doesn't seem that way. The only organization in America that agrees with you is the DEA. That's a nice wagon to hitch your horse to. Good luck with that.

So if it provides medical benefits that (i'm sure tragically for the right) don't go straight to the pocket of big pharma, and hurts absolutely noone, it's wrong?

Oh, wait, it feels good. I forgot for you puritans feeling good is a sin. I wish you all would take that to the logical conclusion and breed yourselves out like the shakers did.

then you're just like all the other deliberately ignorant dumbshits on this site.

#41 | Posted by JOE

Apparently this site had some code violations that allowed to DEA to harass them. It would be better for all of us if they were to have just fined them for their violations like they do any other business. How much money did this "raid" cost the taxpayer. What did they get for their money? Bad publicity.

The state should make it clear DEA has no business doing this kind of thing anymore. Go after the crackheads and the Mexican druglords please. But, leave pot clinics alone if they are following the law.

Joe- It is interesting to note that this clinic is currently open and doing fine. I would bet that the DEA even had to give back the pot they took! Not that is a LOL!

Not=now

Is this equivalent to a signing statement?

Pick and choose which Federal laws to enforce?

Shouldn't this issue be resolved in the House and Senate and change Federal law?

If it isn't a crime, then the President isn't picking and choosing laws to enforce.

This is not a power the Congress has to change. This is a battle for state's rights that is going to take the SCOTUS to decide.

In and of itself, a good enough reason to vote for Obama. It actually does matter who is the White House and what letter is after his name, despite the dumbass rantings of dumbshits who say stupid fucking things like "there's not a dime's worth of difference between the parties".

#2 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-10-19 02:05 AM |

Nulli one of my biggest disappointments with the Clinton administration was that here we had a 60's democrat who didn't do a damn thing for legalization. Hats off to O for taking this step.

"Joe- It is interesting to note that this clinic is currently open and doing fine."

Obama's fault!

--Joe

Oh wait...

Wrong. State law trumps Federal law if said law is unconstitutional per 10th Amendment. Since it took an amendment to outlaw alcohol, then logic states it takes one to outlaw other drugs as well.

#40 | Posted by kanrei

Does the Federal minimum wage trump State minimum wage?

Fed law trumps.

Wrong. State law trumps Federal law if said law is unconstitutional per 10th Amendment. Since it took an amendment to outlaw alcohol, then logic states it takes one to outlaw other drugs as well.

#40 | Posted by kanrei

Well, go ahead and test that theory of yours. We'll have some Vaseline smuggled in to you.

In the meantime, you can talk out your arse all you want. Don't mean a thing. The following does:

In 1937 the F.D. Roosevelt administration crafted the 1937 Marihuana Tax Act, the first US national law making cannabis possession illegal via an unpayable tax on the drug.

...

While more than a dozen US states have decriminalised possession or personal use of cannabis, it is illegal under the federal Controlled Substances Act of 1970. In this act it is classified as a Schedule I drug, implying that it has a high potential for abuse and has no acceptable medical use. As such, it prohibits the possession, usage, purchase, sale, and/or cultivation of marijuana. This conflict between state and federal law has led to Drug Enforcement Administration raids of California medical marijuana dispensaries.[59] The United States Supreme Court has ruled in United States v. Oakland Cannabis Buyers' Coop and Gonzales v. Raich that the federal government has a right to regulate and criminalize cannabis, even for medical purposes.

Multiple attempts at rescheduling cannabis at a federal level have failed in the past.[citation needed] In June 2009, the Personal Use of Marijuana by Responsible Adults Act of 2009 was introduced into the US House of Representatives by Barney Frank co-sponsored by Ron Paul and three other congressmen. If enacted, the bill "would eliminate federal penalties for the personal possession of up to 100 grams (over three and one-half ounces)". This would effectively leave the legality of cannabis possession for states to decide.[63]

Source:

Does the Federal minimum wage trump State minimum wage?

Don't know. Never researched it. I have pot laws however.

Didn't read that Zot. Wanna try again without being an asshole?

"Nulli one of my biggest disappointments with the Clinton administration was that here we had a 60's democrat who didn't do a damn thing for legalization. Hats off to O for taking this step."

It was horrendous, Booji. A real missed opportunity. Clinton's "drug czar" McCaffrey was a thug.

If it we don't understand it, Bomb it! - the right.

#44 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

There FTFY! Elcid are you really that dumb or do you just role play a dumbshit on the web?

...to make sure his supply is protected?

What kind of right wing phanatical phuck thinks like this? So pea brain... tell me...is it ok with you if Obama has a beer? How about 2 beers? How about 3? Bourbon or a shot of vodka? That OK with you? Do you even know that pot is safer than booze? ANY booze? You puritanical fucks have no clue what is going on this planet and what has been going on for thousands of years do you?

Please hurry up and grow up. WE would like to move on from this... WE have more serious problems to solve... most of which were left to us but by you dumbass rethugs. Now excuse me...I needa go take a hit of this killer JackPot I grew and calm down.

JackPot

Jack Herer crossed with what?

An LA strain?

sounds cool

Does the Federal minimum wage trump State minimum wage?

#53 | Posted by Petrous

Interesting question...

Colorado's lowest-paid workers could make even less money next year. That's because the state has an adjustable minimum wage that may become the first in the nation to drop slightly along with the cost of living.

Colorado is one of 10 states where the minimum wage is tied to inflation. The indexing is thought to protect low-wage workers from having flat wages as the cost of living goes up.

But because Colorado's provision allows wage declines, the minimum wage could actually drop 3 cents an hour next year. If the wage is reduced by state labor officials in September as expected, it would be the first minimum wage decrease in any state since the federal minimum wage law was passed in 1938.

Source:

Didn't read that Zot. Wanna try again without being an asshole?

#56 | Posted by kanrei

Quit yer taking out yer arse then with your 10th amendment this and state's rights that. Do a little background lookey-loo before posting opinions that have no relevance to reality.

Now before any of you wags accuse me of being anti-Herb, it ain't so. The laws are what they are. It be the same old saw though. The potheads (a term I rarely use) grasp at every little stem to somehow justify and enable their daily self "medicating" (that is, y'alls just wanna get stoned). It less about the medical benefits and far more about getting soaked and buzzed. Purely self serving.

A question: is Herb kosher?

"It less about the medical benefits and far more about getting soaked and buzzed. Purely self serving."

That's crap. It may apply to some of us, but there are thousands of sick people benefiting from cannabis use.

"JackPot

Jack Herer crossed with what?

An LA strain?

sounds cool"

Speaking of Jack Herer...

"Author of "The Emperor Wears No Clothes"and activist Jack Herer is in critical condition as a result of a heart attack. To read more about Jack and how you can help see this news article. Our best thoughts and wishes are with him and his family."

Weed, like cigarettes, is exceptionally stupid.

But in the grand scheme of really stupid habits, its moderate (like cigarettes).

Both sooth nerves, both are unhealthy (cigarettes ARGUABLY worse....), but with weed if you smoke it, you can't do any serious work (Doctor, Air Traffic Control, etc, until it is out of your system...)

My gut is say legalize the crap just to shut up the morons and also to tax them. Sadly, I know they won't shut up, but the taxes remain a possibility.

"JackPot

Jack Herer crossed with what?

An LA strain?

Well, I am told it is a cross between Jack and Pot of Gold. When I grew them they were easy to grow and grew VERY fast. And they are the bomb. I have never grown such good weed. Some of the best I have ever seen. I am "told" it goes for around $300 per oz. which is a premium price for Humboldt county.

I am also growing Blue Dreams and Grand Daddy Purps. The GDP grow crappy (I thin I got bad clones) but the dreams are, well, dreamy!

Why I Give My 9-Year-Old Pot

and yet another issue coming up that obama can look you in the face and make you believe he is lying

just LIKE illegals..

if you make drugs legal...then you dont have to be AGAINST the mind numbing that will infect our youth by legalizing pot for instance...

and then of course

HE WILL have the govt take it over.,..
just as he is doing the health care industry and so many others..

#67 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-10-19 01:57 PM | Reply |

Take your crayons and go scribble on the nooner, ok?

but there are thousands of sick people benefiting from cannabis use.

#62 | Posted by nullifidian

No denying that. I know a few folk who do truly benefit from Herb and who do have the script from the doc. But is be the millions who just wanna get Herbed and the prospect of getting all legal that has 'em all in a lather. Nothing to do with easing nausea, or potentially curing glaucoma, or even making paper or fuel, they just wanna roll up, bowl up, bong up, hooka up, fire it up, eat it up. And then drift with the tide.

#69 | Posted by ZOT

I'm most familiar with Cali. It's difficult to say how many have "legit" scripts and how many just want to get high. Not that it really matters to me. Legalization via medical marijuana appears to be a very effective strategy. And that's a good thing.

#64 | Posted by USAF242

I was gonna post a series of responses to your statements, but then decided that you are one of the incontrovertible ignorants and choose to remain incontrovertibly ignorant concerning Herb, so there is no point in detailing your ignoracities.

Enjoy your 6-er during the game!

You might be surprised at the diverse clientele you can find at LA cannabis dispensaries. All ages, ethnicities, etc. Some are little old ladies, and some are obvious stoners, but most not fitting in either category. Just your neighbors.

I'm most familiar with Cali. It's difficult to say how many have "legit" scripts and how many just want to get high. Not that it really matters to me. Legalization via medical marijuana appears to be a very effective strategy. And that's a good thing.

#70 | Posted by nullifidian

And I with Colo. IMHO, though medi-Herb is being utilized as the vehicle for legalization, it is the lure of easy money for the states that will be the true motivator for legalization. And as I have stated before, this is the wrong reason.

if you make drugs legal...then you dont have to be AGAINST the mind numbing that will infect our youth by legalizing pot for instance...

and then of course

HE WILL have the govt take it over.,..
just as he is doing the health care industry and so many others..

#67 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-10-19 01:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Decriminalization is a far cry from legalization.

BTW, with your constant stream of paranoid bullshit, I'm beginning to wonder if you just may be a regular toker.

" it is the lure of easy money for the states that will be the true motivator for legalization. And as I have stated before, this is the wrong reason."

It may not be the best reason. The best reason is that the state has no business...well, you know the argument. But that's ok. If Cali's financial problems assist the movement that's fine. Nothing like using a crisis to get things done.

"And I with Colo. "

I urge all Coloradans, and other patriotic Americans to donate money to pro-legalization efforts in Cali. If it's going to happen, this is the place. As many as 3 initiatives on the 2010 ballot. If it succeeds, it's open season on prohibitionists across the country. :)

One more example of the Fed giving the masses bread and circus to entertain them while the country goes down the shitter. How did this world get turned so upside down? Last week, we have Obama's spokeswoman telling kids how Chairman Mao is a great man, and now, when the country/economy is cratering, we have Obama wasting time on legalizing pot. Now, if you have cancer or a serious condition, I have no issue with you smoking pot. But the fact is that only condition that a majority of pot smokers have is boredom. I hope the feds never legalize so that employers can still fire pot heads at will without fearing lawsuits. For all the liberals out there with your compassion for downtrodden minorities, how are you helping them when you are encouraging them to use a product which disqualified them from a vast majority of jobs that pay more than $50K/year?

I am taking a night class at a community college just for the hell of it. There is always a big table trying to gather signatures for pot legalization out on the quad staffed 90% by black students. I don't know if these kids understand it or not, but I, and most employers would never consider hiring a pot head. Not only does it show that you break the law, it also shows that you have a weak character. I think the pro-pot posters on this board exemplify that.

All you "freedom fighters" like Joe can put your money where your mouth is here...

If a firefighter fights fires, and a crimefighter fights crime, what do you think a Freedom fighter fights?- George Carlin

I'm confused as to why my fellow conservatives would attack Obama on this one. He just acknowledged State's rights!

This is a great step. Leave it to the States to determine for themselves. The same should go for other issues. This is not the purpose of the Federal Government.

Goodlittlenazi-

I'd hire a pothead to work for me any day over a drunk.

I like Goodlittlenazi's subtle racism. Much like the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy description of a pan-galactic gargle blaster - being hit over the head by a lemon-wrapped gold brick. Subtle.

#79 - Do vegetarians eat animal crackers?

What do humanitarians eat? church sign

seen on a bumper sticker - "if coconut oil is made from coconuts, what's baby oil made from?"

Please hurry up and grow up. .... Now excuse me...I needa go take a hit of this killer JackPot I grew and calm down.

#58 | Posted by donnerboy at 2009-10-19 01:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

That is just hilarious - please grow up whilst I go and get high - funny as hell Donderboy. Go do that voodoo that you do so well then. No skin off me - just don't buy it from an illegal dealer who also sells to kids. Don't use it outside of your house, don't use it in front of my kids and don't use it in front of yours either. Make sure you use a smokeless ashtray so that it doesn't hurt the environment - global warming and all.

But please by all means, toke up and enjoy the moment! I mean, that's what it's all about - right libtard!

" Don't use it outside of your house, don't use it in front of my kids and don't use it in front of yours either."

Dude, I would be more worried about your retarded little brats stealing my weed.

but I, and most employers would never consider hiring a pot head. Not only does it show that you break the law, it also shows that you have a weak character. I think the pro-pot posters on this board exemplify that.

#77 | Posted by goodlittlenazi

How about after leglization?

FTR, I don't Herb up.

I think the pro-pot posters on this board exemplify that.

#77 | Posted by goodlittlenazi

The Anti-pot people, many of whom drink I am sure, exemplify hypocrisy perfectly.

I smoked a lot of weed in college, don't anymore. I wouldn't hire a "pothead" but I also wouldn't hire a "drunk."

I would have no problem hiring someone that occasionally shared a spliff amongst friends while enjoying the beautiful outdoors or a good show.

I just don't buy in to this whole myth of "I smoked weed in college". Smart people go to college. No smart person would mess around with illegal drugs! Illegal drug use is for the dregs of society, not our college bound youth! They are our future!

Go peddle your drug fueled lies some other place pothead! God will definitly make you pay for those sins, you cocksucker!

The GDP grow crappy

My clones came from Oregon, which is their home as far as I know (these things seem to go into urban legend pretty fast so you never really know).

I've been told GDPs mother came from DJ Short's collection of Asian land-race sativas, the same stock he used to make the famous blueberry back in the 80's and Flo -- and from basically the same community of growers. Blueberry and GDP are a lot alike, and I can't make either really fill out indoors, but outside they explode. What looked indistinguishable from a typical indica indoors, becomes unmistakably sativa outdoors.

The only set-ups I've seen that produce really dank sativa indoors are BIG warehouses with those ginormose 5K watters you can raise way above the canopy. And they don't use your standard 18/6-12/12 cycles, deep-well containers, or straight-line light rails = deflected, glancing light with a more consistant duration over their life, and shallow, top-feeding roots systems.

I don't know if these kids understand it or not, but I, and most employers would never consider hiring a pot head. Not only does it show that you break the law, it also shows that you have a weak character. I think the pro-pot posters on this board exemplify that.

Shows what you know about hiring people. I AM an EMPLOYER...I would NOT base my hiring of an employee on whether he smoked pot or drank alcohol but on his ability to do the job. But, I am quite sure I would NEVER work for YOU or anyone like you.

btw- When I smoke pot I am not breaking the law (unless I smoke too much and drive that is).

This seemed like a really good time of day (um, Eastern time) to say, "Right on, Obama administration! Like, totally."

I like Goodlittlenazi's subtle racism.

I disagree completely - I don't think I was being very subtle.

Whether we like it or not, minorities tend to smoke pot/use drugs at a much higher rate than the US population over all (also tend to commit murders, rapes, etc at a much higher rate). Now, we can argue over the cause and I assume that you will cite poverty as one of the main reasons rather than something genetic. I will agree with you on that. However, if that is your argument, why would you fight to ensure pot use goes up among this group knowing full well that employers will not hire pot heads for higher paying jobs? You, not the 'Man' or whomever else you want to blame, are the one ensuring this cycle of poverty (and crime) continues.

The hits, no pun intended, keep coming...

Coming on the heels of today's new federal medical marijuana policy, Gallup just released a poll showing record-high support for full marijuana legalization, at 44%.

However, if that is your argument, why would you fight to ensure pot use goes up among this group knowing full well that employers will not hire pot heads for higher paying jobs?

because potheads are potheads FIRST, then they might care about the unemployed or minorities SECOND.

No skin off me - just don't buy it from an illegal dealer who also sells to kids.

Hmmm make it legal and your point is moot. And if you think that way then don't be buying beer for kids and don't be drinking any alcohol in front of your kids either. (don't worry about my kids they are too mature to be bothered by either of those things.)

Make sure you use a smokeless ashtray so that it doesn't hurt the environment - global warming and all.

Thanks for your concern about our environment and my lungs!
I use a vaporizer mostly as it is my favorite way to ingest but I do still smoke occasionally and I am getting fond of brownies. Easy to make and take and easy to control the dosage AND I can eat them almost anywhere! The "butter" we make goes also for about $300-400 a lb and is easy to transport.

AS for the environment...you bring up a very good point. I do plan on installing solar panels soon as my energy consumption has gone through the roof. I try and keep my footprint small but hydro does involve some "waste". I am looking into different growing mediums cause I don't like being inefficient and throwing things in the dump after each crop. Plus it costs more. And I hope to add a nice big green house soon.

#9 | POSTED BY KBM AT 2009-10-19 09:17 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

How do you suppose mary jane is harmful, KBM? By smoking it I inhale carcinogens, right? What if I eat it? The only danger you're left with is Anslinger's reefer madness. Even you know that was bullshit, KBM.

Whether we like it or not, minorities tend to smoke pot/use drugs at a much higher rate than the US population over all (also tend to commit murders, rapes, etc at a much higher rate)

I hear that them dang minorities are much better at sports too! Maybe it is because they smoke pot! I know of an Olympic Athlete who won a record 8 gold medals and wouldn't you know it... he smokes pot!

go figger!

because potheads are potheads FIRST, then they might care about the unemployed or minorities SECOND.

I have no issue with that, I just hate the hypocracy. If you want minorities to stay poor and drugged out of their minds (furthering the murder, rape, and other violent crime rates among them), then so be it. But I don't want to pay for it. You choose to take drugs, you should forfeit any rights to government support. I am sick and tired of playing for the deadbeats of this country. Also, if you smoke and get cancer and drink and get cirrhosis, I don't want to pay for you either.

ZOT

I don't smoke anything, and my annual consumption of booze is limited to wine during holidays (goes well with steak....)

Growing up, almost all the kids I knew well were smoking weed.

One thing the more honest pro-weed folks are correct on, it affects different folks differently (just like booze). There are people who can function with a good buzz better than AVERAGE sober/non-stoned folks.

But we have rules about heavy equipment and booze for a REASON. Those rules should translate over to weed nicely. (those rules are NOT there for the guy who can function well while stoned/drunk, they are there for the OTHER idiots....)

I hear that them dang minorities are much better at sports too!

I heard that too...but this could not possibily have anything to do with genetics (according to liberals). It must be due to their pot usage.

I know of an Olympic Athlete who won a record 8 gold medals and wouldn't you know it... he smokes pot!

He smoked pot AFTER winning 8 gold medals, after the media corrupted him with praise. He went on a self destructive binge of smoking pot and sleeping with sluts, and guess what? He now loses races. Go ahead and argue how pot made him a better athlete. Fact of the matter is that pot makes people lazy and not reach their full potential. Maybe you like that so the high performers are brought down to your level so you feel better about yourself.

different growing mediums

lol

so you're switching to coco too?

For the record I do feel kinda bad for pumping straight CO2 in at 2200ppm, but only for a little while ;)

Being a libertarian, I'm no Obama fan. But let me just go on record as saying THANK YOU Obama for being the first president in American history to actually do something that begins to make sense regarding the war on (some) drugs.

Is it full scale legalization? No, not even close. But it is one small step in the right direction. And is the only common sense move made by any president that I can recall.

Thank you.

"And I hope to add a nice big green house soon."

Excellent. Flood the state with weed. Get politicians hooked on tax revenues. You are a great America, Donnerboy. And Blusky as well. True freedom fighters. :)

What I choose to put into my body is my business. End of debate. So long as I work, pay my taxes, and support my family, my mind is my own.

#77 | POSTED BY GOODLITTLENAZI AT 2009-10-19 02:29 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

It shows weak character that you support government interference with individual freedoms. Would you refuse to hire someone who binge drinks on the weekends?

Get politicians hooked on tax revenues.

they already are.

no sense in pouring gas on a fire.

What I choose to put into my body is my business. End of debate. So long as I work, pay my taxes, and support my family, my mind is my own.

That is fine and dandy. However, the reality is that prolonged use of drugs can and will affect your ability to "work, pay your taxes, and support your family" and then the burden shifts to society. You may be one of the lucky ones that escapes with no issues, but odds are against it. I look at it like helmet laws for motorcycles. You may escape with no problems, but you may be long term disabled and I would rather restrict your right to be an idiot than pay for the potential consequences of your right to be an idiot.

Would you refuse to hire someone who binge drinks on the weekends?

Yes. Anyone that needs drugs/alcohol to distort reality has a weak character and I have no need for them at my company. Further, binge drinking on Sunday will affect your performance on Monday. In my line of work, your body and mind can not be compromised.

However, the reality is that prolonged use of drugs can and will affect your ability to "work, pay your taxes, and support your family" and then the burden shifts to society.

That argument only works if you neither drink, nor smoke, and are also pushing for those to be illegal as well.

#93 | POSTED BY GOODLITTLENAZI AT 2009-10-19 03:22 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Would use of mj rise if it were legal? Or would those who smoke merely continue to do so, but in the open?

Do most jobs that pay 50k or more drug test their employees? I don't know about that. I don't know of any engineering firms that drug test their employees. It seems to me that, in jobs where mainly brain work is required, drug testing is less prevalent. Drug testing is more prevalent in jobs that require physical labor. Understandable considering the interplay of insurance companies and on the job injuries, no? Air traffic controller? Sure. Drug test the shit out of them if that makes them more effective. Electrical engineers? Architects? Computer Programmers? Securities traders? All jobs that you can smoke dope on a casual basis and still excel at. Also, these are all jobs where drug testing is rare.

That argument only works if you neither drink, nor smoke, and are also pushing for those to be illegal as well.

Well, I can play your strawman game as well. Since sex with adults is legal, we should be able to have sex with children as well. So, you should support pedophilia unless you want sex with adults outlawed as well. See how ridiculous that argument is?

For the sake of argument, I do drink but do not smoke. I do think that smoking should be outlawed. Alcohol, in moderation (1 drink per day) has actually been shown to have medical benefits. As such, it should remain legal. Excess use of alcohol shows weak moral character so I would leave it up to an employer to choose how they want to enforce their policy. In a typical scenario, all traces of alcohol will be out of one's system after 12 hours. Pot stays in one's system much much longer. As such, you are technically still coming into work 'high', just at much lower levels.

That argument also requires that you can prove long-term marijuana use is indeed debilitating. So far, unless you're siting such reputable resources as "Reefer Madness," you're going to be hard pressed to prove that point. Alcohol and cigarettes are a known issue, yet legal. Obesity accounts for a huge chunk of our health care issues. (Though I readily admit, legalizing pot might not help that issue.) Perhaps we should make going after these higher priority than keeping a vegetable illegal.

I did not play a strawman game as I did not assign a position to you. I said your point of view only works if you extend it to all drugs.

Alcohol, in moderation (1 drink per day) has actually been shown to have medical benefits.

So has marijuana and with less harmful side effects.

Since sex with adults is legal, we should be able to have sex with children as well.

And who brought up kids you pervert? You need help.

Anyone that needs drugs/alcohol to distort reality has a weak character and I have no need for them at my company.

Anybody work for you that use mind-altering drugs like Prozac? Do you have a caffeine-dispensing machine at work? How many hours a day after work do your employees spend injecting TV?

I don't know of any engineering firms that drug test their employees. - JONO

Um, where the hell have you been employed by an Engineering firm, California? ALL the Engineering firms I know require a drug test prior to employment and have a random drug screening program - If you do work for most govt. agencies you have to have a plan for all safety impact positions.

Pull the other one.

Anybody work for you that use mind-altering drugs like Prozac? Do you have a caffeine-dispensing machine at work?

This is just my belief, but Prozac is for weak minded fools. It is due to the liberal media telling the masses that life should be great and you should always feel happy. As such, weak minded people think that life should not have downs and they run for pills every time that things get tough. I think a proper diet and exercise would solve 99% of Prozac user's problems. As for coffee, I think those people that 'need' it are also weak minded fools. Relying on any drug to go on with normal day to day life is a sure sign of a weak character. Don't even get me started on 'Energey Drinks', which should be outlawed and their manufacturer's hung.

"If you do work for most govt. agencies you have to have a plan for all safety impact positions."

Engineering. The kind where you use math and science to solve problems. I'm not talking about banging on things with hammers, ElCid.

Anybody work for you that use mind-altering drugs like Prozac? Do you have a caffeine-dispensing machine at work? How many hours a day after work do your employees spend injecting TV?

#116 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-10-19 04:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

You reading the same playbook as HERM? Please explain how watching television prior to operating an automobile impedes your judgement. Please explain how having a cup of coffee prior to work impedes your judgement. Is that what you are saying? Caffeine use distorts reality? Television use distorts reality? I don't know about Prozac.

It boils down to, once a pothead always a pothead - banging your head against the wall is just as productive as trying to discuss the legalization of the drug with them.

Same with religion, abortion, the environment, welfare and race. Polarized topics never to be solved on the DR or most probably in the US. Each poster has their own self-interests by which they can rationalize any behavior they are engaged in. "Pot is safer than alcohol!" and a bullet is quicker than cancer - so what.

"Please explain how watching television prior to operating an automobile impedes your judgement."

I don't know, but I will say that I am WAY more dangerous behind the wheel after a couple of hours playing GTA. Look out!

Engineering. The kind where you use math and science to solve problems. I'm not talking about banging on things with hammers, ElCid.

#119 | Posted by JonO at 2009-10-19 04:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes ding dong - Engineering, like Civil or Mechanical or Electrical or Chemical. If you have a contract with the City of _____ for design of road improvements - it is a safety impact position requiring a random drug program. You obviously are not an engineer. Most large municipalities and the feds have them. Look it up. KBB, Flour, PBS&J, BAKER, URS - all have them.

ElCid -

You're not a licensed engineer of any kind. I can tell from your distinct lack of ability to use logic. You demonstrate it daily on this site. What do you think about that?

I acknowledge that you did a google search on engineering firms that have random drug test programs. Good work. Now address the main point of the argument: Most 50k plus/year jobs do not drug test.

I acknowledge that you did a google search on engineering firms that have random drug test programs. Good work. Now address the main point of the argument: Most 50k plus/year jobs do not drug test.

#124 | Posted by JonO at 2009-10-19 04:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yeah, that's what I did JONO. *head hits desk* Now go back to the watching oprah and leave the working world to responsible individuals. When did I say anything about 50k/yr jobs - I addressed your comment about engineering firms. You want some more - go look them up on ENR yourself. I doubt they list the hiring requirements to that detail on their websites but you never know.

As to logical arguments, I doubt you track my posts enough to come to that conclusion - in any case, logic is hardly the end all be all method of determining a solution. So there. nanny nanny boo boo.

Most 50k plus/year jobs do not drug test.

Yes, they do. Go to any Fortune 500 company and you will take a drug test as part of a pre-employment screen. Many require additional random drug testing throughout the term of your employment.

That hardly has anything to do with whether it should be legalized or not, or job performance. It's just a cheap and easy way of getting out of increased premiums if an employee gets injured on the job.

Maybe you like that so the high performers are brought down to your level so you feel better about yourself.

#101 | Posted by goodlittlenazi

No... I just thought it was real cool that an 8 time Olympic Champion smoked pot. I was pissed when they gave him so much shit over it.

This is just my belief, but Prozac is for weak minded fools.

ding! ding! ding! we have a winner! You have just taken up the mantle of Scientology. Are you also a Scientologist? Are you also saying that "Psychiatry is a pseudoscience" and that anyone with problems with depression or migraines or attention deficits are just suffering from weak minds and that they need more vitamins and exercise? Are you saying there is no such thing as a chemical imbalances in the body...only "weak" minds?

Are you really saying that?

Wow...just Wow!

"When did I say anything about 50k/yr jobs"

The main thrust of my comment was that *most* engineering positions and, more importantly, *most* jobs that pay 50k a year or more do not drug test. You, quite rightly, pointed out that jobs that require a licensed engineer to design and sign off on something involving safety and a government entity require a drug test. Great. My main point stands.

The topic under discussion is GoodLittleNazi's assertion that smoking weed somehow guarantees that young members of ethnic minorities will not be able to climb out of poverty.

#126 | POSTED BY GOODLITTLENAZI AT 2009-10-19 04:43 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Link.

#101 GLNazi - "Fact of the matter is that pot makes people lazy and not reach their full potential."

So you are saying if a carpenter smokes pot that is too bad because he might have been a cabinetmaker, and if a cabinetmaker smokes pot he did not reach his potential and could have been an architect, or if an optician smoked weed he might have been an ophthalmologist, or if an engineer smoked weed that is a shame because he could have been a nuclear physicist.

There is nothing wrong with being each one of those. And there are architects, ophthalmologists, and nuclear physicists who smoke marijuana.

Your argument is a meaningless self-fulfilling prophecy.

Besides, what good did it do for you to not smoke pot? You are still a moron.

ok grumpy now that was funny! I was trying to say that without letting on what I actually do for a living.

So I gave you a FF on that!

Nazi-I think a weak mind is definitely exposed when one smokes some good weed. It will separate the men from the boys in about three hits. And I am quite certain on which side of that line you would land my little Nazi.

The Sagan quote is from "The Dragons of Eden, Speculations on the Origin of Human Intelligence"

p 191 footnote (pb edition 1978, copyright 1977)

#126 | POSTED BY GOODLITTLENAZI AT 2009-10-19 04:43 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

GLN - "Yes they do" does not constitute support of an argument. You may be right, but I don't think you are. You surmised that marijuana causes poverty. Back it up with evidence. Start with the question of whether most jobs paying 50k/year or more require drug testing.

"logic is hardly the end all be all method of determining a solution"

It generally helps! What other methods do you find useful, ElCid? Faith? Magic?

Washington, Jefferson and Sagan; Such total losers.

#133 | Posted by Zatoichi

I would love to smoke a bowl with any of them laoooosers!

I would love to show them what we grow today. I wonder how my weak mind would compare to theirs after just one hit of my JackPot!

Now that would be a bit o Heaven to me.

JONO: I assume your 'link' comment refers to a link on the Fortune 500 companies. Try the following:

Drug Testing Network, Inc. is a nationwide provider of drug and alcohol testing services and a leader in promoting "a drug free workplace." Headed by former agents of the Drug Enforcement
Administration

Not a biased source of information in any way right? It is a drug testing company filled with DEA agents!

I don't think it's right that you people in California (et. al.) can go lie about a medical condition and get medical weed.

I demand my right to lie about a medical condition too.

Not a biased source of information in any way right?

Why don't you go and Google "Percentage Fortune 500 companies that drug test" and take any one of the thousands of links that pop up and say more or less the same thing within a 10%+/- range.

This is not a power the Congress has to change. This is a battle for state's rights that is going to take the SCOTUS to decide.

#50 | Posted by kanrei

Didn't this issue go before the 9th circus?? Or is there any case close to going before the SCOTUS??

GLN--

Are you for medicinal pot?

I don't think it's right that you people in California (et. al.) can go lie about a medical condition and get medical weed.

I demand my right to lie about a medical condition too.

#140 | Posted by Lipzoidial

well, then move to California if that is how you feel! Some people like living in those bassackwards and repressed states of mind.

As for Obama--more trickery--although taking the heat off legit facilities and people who use pot for medicinal purposes is the right call.

And pot may be in the body for months after inhaling--doesn't mean the person in under the influence.

Like tobacco--in the system for weeks after quitting but not under the influence (except to really needing one after a meal and after sex).

correction- Some people like living in those bassackwards and repressed states of mind (that you live in now).

Lip--

The folks getting the Rx from the doctor have an ailment--confirmed by the doctor.

GLN--

Are you for medicinal pot?

If there is a true medical need. I have seen too many stories on the local news (I live in the People's Republic of California) where they people go to the doctor's office and they issue a medical perscription for pot for basically no reason. I think that doctors should be held accountable and lose their license if they perscribe pot to someone that truly doesn't need it for MEDICAL purposes.

Then if someone has cancer or glaucoma (sp?) or back pain or any number of reasons--and confirmed by the doctor--they should have access to pot?

There are always people who will abuse the system. And Obama's signing statement today still keeps those in check to the federal law.

If someone drives a car and crashes and found to be under the influence--they will have committed a crime just like those who drink and drive and crash.

GLN - What makes you think most 50k or more/year jobs are supplied by Fortune 500 companies?

Do you like it when some weirdo fresh out of the DEA analyzes your piss?

I don't. In fact, I regard it as a gross infringement of my privacy. Americans are *way* too comfortable with this type of infraction imho.

The folks getting the Rx from the doctor have an ailment--confirmed by the doctor.

#147 | Posted by MURPHY

They shouldn't need a script in the first place, statist. Do you need a script to get your cases of gin?

GLN, except for your user name you seem to possibly be a fairly okay person. Despite living in CA maybe you just have never been exposed to any successful people who also smoke pot. I used to know a math major at Georgetown, an A student, who would toke up and then do his advanced calculus homework. Where was his failing in your mind at that point? If a person is working at a high level they are fulfilling their potential by definition. What, would you have successful CPAs spend their free time volunteering for the suicide hotline while writing children's literature? Do you ever watch any television? People have got to relax a bit and recharge. There is no need to force yourself to be an ubermensch. Take it easy. Or, you could take up the study of ancient Greek instead of blogging. Have a nice day.

I meant functioning at a high level for their degree of talent.

" I used to know a math major at Georgetown, an A student, who would toke up and then do his advanced calculus homework. "

Of course. As I mentioned before, most of these dumbasses discussing the subject are clueless to the fact that one cannabis strain can be productivity-enhancing, high-energy, and another be sedating, couch-lock stuff.

I think I got all the sedating, couch lock stuff in college...I never found this productivity enhancing stuff.

That would have made studying a lot more...well it would have made it happen a lot more often.

For all the liberals out there with your compassion for downtrodden minorities, how are you helping them when you are encouraging them to use a product which disqualified them from a vast majority of jobs that pay more than $50K/year?

#77 | Posted by goodlittlenazi at 2009-10-19 02:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sorry, but the 'VAST MAJORITY' of 50K plus jobs DO NOT require drug tests.

"Sorry, but the 'VAST MAJORITY' of 50K plus jobs DO NOT require drug tests."

What about the vast majority recieving some sort of Gov. aid? Sadly, they are not required to take a drug test either....

Haha! I just thought of a new name for the cretins who work at drug testing labs: Piss Taster.

Like it?

"I think I got all the sedating, couch lock stuff in college...I never found this productivity enhancing stuff."

Not surprising. What most people are familiar with, whether they were in college 10 years ago, or college 20 years ago, etc., is indica. It's always been much more available, due in part to the fact that growers favor it.

Nullifidian - I saw a great documentary on the BBC about a not-quite-middle-aged lady who had never tried buddha before. She gets a part time job at a coffee shop in Amsterdam and does all sorts of research and experiments into the effects of mary jane. She tries different varieties of hash, and even takes a small amount of pure THC intravenously (under medical supervision, of course). The THC gives her the heavy, paranoid, 'foggy' sensation. Then she tries cannabinoids intravenously, and they give her some very energetic giggles. That's why I prefer sativa.

#160 | POSTED BY JONO AT 2009-10-19 09:28 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

I guess I should have said that she takes a cocktail of other cannabinoids intravenously after she tries THC. I wonder which ones? I'll have to watch the documentary again.

"Should I Smoke Dope". That's what it was called.

"That's why I prefer sativa."

Sativa for daytime, indica for the late evening is quite popular. Works for me :)

#163 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2009-10-19 09:39 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Because of (in part) GoodLittleNazi and ElCid, I am forced to deal with a whole host of low level criminals and part-time black market distributors who are always on again, off again in their business. It's stinky, fluffy, sticky, and green, but these guys sure as fuck don't know if it's indica or sativa (usually). Beggars can't be choosers. ;)

I can't think of anything besides maybe a dry cleaner that you could get away without a drugtest.

My son went to work for wal-mart in highschool and they tested him.

I work for an oil company and we have to test.

Wifey works in healthcare and they have to test.

The thing that puzzles me is this:
once you use Marij. you are "dirty" for some time and depending on how often you use it could take quite some time to clean up. You may not be high when you have a wreck but if you are tested positive, what's your defense? If you test positive at work and it's been days since using what is your excuse? Are the athorities or your employer obligated to beleive you used it last weekend?

I might smoke occasionally if I weren't having to piss in a cup. But this whole thing could potentially be pandora's box.

What about airline pilots, Ship captians,etc...?

" I am forced to deal with a whole host of low level criminals and part-time black market distributors "

The worst thing is, you don't want to be there when these dumbfucks get arrested, as most of them inevitably will be.

"I can't think of anything besides maybe a dry cleaner that you could get away without a drugtest."

I can't think of anyone I know that *does* get drug tested at their job. I guess our respective anecdotal evidence cancels each other out.

"What about airline pilots, Ship captians,etc..."

#165 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS AT 2009-10-19 09:56 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Pandora's box? How so? There is no evidence that marijuana affects your ability to captain a ship when you're not high. None.

You're a sheep in a flock that believes it's normal and okay for some jack booted fuckwit (I exaggerate a little here) to taste a cup of your piss and say whether it contains certain substances or not. Sorry. Not my cup of urine. Besides, only a fucking idiot fails a drug test. It's a simple matter to hydrate yourself to the point where the results are inconclusive. When questioned, simply claim (and if you're not lying, good for you) that it is your habit to hydrate and exercise regularly. Also, claim that you drank a lot of water so that you would have ammunition enough to fill the cup in a timely manner. If the jack booted weirdos insist on analyzing your excrement repeatedly, or if they want a hair sample, you need a talent. Get good at something, for Christ's sake. By and large, people who *want* you to work for them don't analyze your waste.

. It's a simple matter to hydrate yourself to the point where the results are inconclusive

It doesn't work. If the piss is too 'thin', it is discarded.

Besides, hair tests are becoming more popular. There is no way to beat those except to shave your body and convince the tester you are an Olympic swimmer. Even then, they can take a nail clipping. There are masking agents, but they are easily detected

I don't see the big deal. I have a great job and they piss test us. I make 6 figures and get 26 weeks off a year. If it means I can't do drugs, I can deal with it. I can't understand the mentality of people who are so enamored with drugs that they are willing to forego a good job just so they can do them.

I did my share of pot smoking for over 20 years. Yeah, it was fun, but at this point in my life it is a lot more fun having zero debt and having money and a lot of time off to spend it. But that's just me. To each his own.

"It doesn't work. If the piss is too 'thin', it is discarded."

Exactly.

Goatman - I don't make six figures, but I get paid a fair amount and I get to do whatever I please as long as I get the job done.

You work on an oil rig, I believe? You should probably be piss tested. Do they allow booze on the rig?

Do they allow booze on the rig?

No.

I get to do whatever I please as long as I get the job done.

As do I

"As do I"

No, you get to have your piss tasted. That's not exactly 'freedom' is it? Now, you work in a very dangerous environment. That's the price you pay. Walmart? If you are allowing Walmart or RadioShack to analyze your urine, you have lost a significant amount of your dignity.

Do they allow booze on the rig?

No.

I get to do whatever I please as long as I get the job done.

As do I

#172 | Posted by goatman

Anybody else see the illogic here?

Anybody else see the illogic here?

No. Do you see any?

No, you get to have your piss tasted

???

Actually, I do. Having your piss tested and doing what one wants to do are not mutually exclusive. What makes you think they are?

If you are allowing Walmart or RadioShack to analyze your urine, you have lost a significant amount of your dignity.

It may be a loss of dignity to you, but it's not for everyone.

You stoners are under the erroneous presumption that drugs are as important to the rest of the world as they are to you. That is not true. Some people have no issue with maintaining a clear mind, believe it or not jono

You stoners are under the erroneous presumption that drugs are as important to the rest of the world as they are to you.

What drugs are you talking about? Alcohol? Tobacco? Caffeine? Television?

What drugs are you talking about? Alcohol? Tobacco? Caffeine? Television?

Any of them.

BTW, television is not a drug unless that is slang for some sort of pot or something.

Goatman

You didn't get off the rig last Friday?

You didn't get off the rig last Friday?

Yes, I did.

You didn't get off the rig last Friday?

You're like the third person who's asked that in two days. Does the fact Goat's back home mean he's not allowed to post on here? I've never seen anyone whose work schedule is followed so diligently on DR -- down to the hour he eats dinner (mOntecOre was interested in knowing that one) than Goatman's is. If he feels like blogging when he's home, so what?

I know BuffaloBob is happy Punk Boy, err I mean Goatman, is around now. lol

I know BuffaloBob is happy Punk Boy, err I mean Goatman, is around now. lol

And Null's not. That's the primary reason I'm here now -- just to piss him off. LOL I probably wouldn't be here otherwise. I've got three books going now that are far more interesting. But I can't let a chance to piss null off go by especialliy when it is as easy to do as to simply post here. I don't even have to exercise my trolling skills.

My daughter in law and granddaughter came down today. The baby was so cute. She's only 17 mos old, but she came running to me with open arms when she saw me. Then she went straight for the bedroom she used to stay in when they lived with me. That was 6 months ago. I'm surprised she remembered.

We are going to the beach in the morning. Thought I'd kill some time and piss null off after the baby went to sleep, so here I am.

I've got three books going now that are far more interesting.

I bet they float in the tub.

...Punk Boy, err I mean Goatman,...

Is he still doing that? LOL I made a challenge. He set a condition I didn't like, and he still calls me punk boy? Too funny. Hopefully he'll see this post and replies with 3 screenfuls of C&Ps and a bunch more spam. This is the best spinning I've seen da bOoB do in ages. I hope he comes back and does it some more. I'd hate for the little man in all his delusion and insecurity to let me down. LOL

I bet they float in the tub.

Funny you mention that. I can confirm one of them does. I was in the hot tub reading last night and dropped the mother fucker. I snatched it out before it got too wet, but if it had sunk, I would not have been able to.

hahahaha.

hahahaha.

I could've been worse. It could've been the kindle. As it was, it was a book zarathustra recommended that wasn't available on kindle.

That would have sunk for sure.

The baby was so cute. She's only 17 mos old, but she came running to me with open arms when she saw me...

...I've got three books going now that are far more interesting. But I can't let a chance to piss null off go by especialliy when it is as easy to do as to simply post here. I don't even have to exercise my trolling skills.

We are going to the beach in the morning. Thought I'd kill some time and piss null off after the baby went to sleep, so here I am.

You can always take one of your books to the beach with you tomorrow and read it while you're lying on the sand. More important you take this opportunity to annoy Nulli. lol

Have fun at the beach. It's getting closer to winter so you may not have too many more warm beach days left to enjoy.

"You're like the third person who's asked that in two days....If he feels like blogging when he's home, so what?

#182 | Posted by CalifChris"

I don't know - you think maybe it has something to do with the fact that he brags ad nauseum about how he's only on here when he's on the rig, and that his life is just so damn interesting that he never has to come here when he's not on the rig? Ya think, maybe?

You are not that quick on the uptake, are you Chris?

Seems you are the one slow on the uptake, m'boor. She didn't mention anything about my 'interesting' life, but instead people like you who know my schedule -- down to my dinnertime hour in your case.

Reading comprehension was a difficult moment in your childhood years wasn't it, m'boor? LOL

Where did I say she did, dumbfuck? I said YOU brag ad nauseum about how your life is so interesting that you are only on here when you're on the rig. So when you say you're not going to be on the rig, people who believe what you claim don't expect you to be around, and they may comment on that. Fuck, are you really this slow? Maybe that's why CC finds you so interesting. You're as slow on the uptake as she is.

Re: reading comprehension - no, it wasn't. Remember - I'm the one with an advanced degree. One that required a lot of reading and comprehension. You are the dropout. Try to remember - you are not actually the person you think you are in your head. Spending your time around roustabouts and roughnecks may make you feel smart, but compared to normal people you are about average, at best.

You are the dropout.

So now I add 'dropout' to the sexual fantasy oil rig boy? Will your construction of him ever be completed, m'boor?

One that required a lot of reading and comprehension.

You should exercise them then. Impress us. LOL

Spending your time around roustabouts and roughnecks may make you feel smart, but compared to normal people you are about average, at best.

With the exception of two roustabouts on 'D' crew, you have nothing intellectually on anyone on the rig. If you do, it is a very well kept secret. LOL

"And Null's not. That's the primary reason I'm here now -- just to piss him off.
"

Fascinating. I always find it somewhat astonishing that, as an anonymous blogger, I can make other people go crazy so easily, as in this example.

Where did I say she did, dumbfuck?

You implied it in post 190.

Now we'll all sit back and watch you lie as you deny it.

Fuck you are easy to predict! LOL

I can make other people go crazy so easily, as in this example.

???

Who did you make go crazy, null? I think it's the drugs in you speaking again.

You are the one who moans and whines about my posts and pines for killfiles so you don't have to read them. (BTW, I see you still haven't mastered that trick I tried to teach you on how to avoid them. Sad. It is so simple, too.)

And you think excessive pot smoking doesn't affect your brain? LOL

You're as slow on the uptake as she is.

???

I knew what she meant. You didn't, mr advanced degree. LOL

So Jr High is considered an advanced degree where you're from? (I'm going to see if I can have as much fun with the academia fantasy game as you do. So far -- nothing. I guess my mind isn't simple enough to be so easily amused by a pointless fantasy as yours is)

#189 | Posted by CalifChris

Actually, I thought maybe something happened and he had to stay an extra week or two.

If anyone seems obsessed with Goatman it sure isn't me.

"Sorry, but the 'VAST MAJORITY' of 50K plus jobs DO NOT require drug tests."

What about the vast majority recieving some sort of Gov. aid? Sadly, they are not required to take a drug test either....

#157 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2009-10-19 08:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

.......and?

The only job where I was ever Wizz-Quizzed was in the Navy and that was hardly '50K plus'. I think I started out making 9k and made 16K after making E-5 four years later.
Since then, I've worked for numerous Software Companies and not a one EVER mentioned drug testing.

Now that I'm the employer, I still don't test for drugs as none of my employees actions can directly influence another person. They're all office workers (not school bus drivers) and I contract out for the tradesmen.

The only job where I was ever Wizz-Quizzed was in the Navy...

When I was in the Navy, the piss tests were a joke. We were handed a cup and told to return it at the end of the day. This gave us plenty of time to get someone else's pee, or we even got away with putting Mountain Dew in the cup!

I heard all that changed after '81 when Reagan was sworn in. I got out after he had been in office two weeks.

...Punk Boy, err I mean Goatman,...

Is he still doing that? LOL I made a challenge. He set a condition I didn't like, and he still calls me punk boy? Too funny. Hopefully he'll see this post and replies with 3 screenfuls of C&Ps and a bunch more spam. This is the best spinning I've seen da bOoB do in ages. I hope he comes back and does it some more. I'd hate for the little man in all his delusion and insecurity to let me down. LOL

#185 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-20 12:30 AM | Reply | Flag

Your lie won't save you Punk Boy. I made a statement and you challenged it. I set no new conditions on the statement. You just punked out, even after I lowered the odds and lowered the bet. Here is the original post you challenged.

I believe these gods were real, and I believe the proposed source of them. I also believe that Dec 21, 2012 will bring great changes to humanity. Since these gods of the Mayans and Sumerians have the same source, and these gods are aliens, I believe that Dec 21, 2012 will be the day they reveal themselves to humanity, and tell us the reason for that revelation.

#35 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-10-13 12:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

And in the very next post---you challenged.

I'll bet you $1000 you are wrong. You have nothing to lose if you truly believe in your convictions.

We on?

#36 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-13 12:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

The gods of the Sumerians and Maya looked like humans--all their depictions of their gods look like humans. You punked out on the aliens in 2012 couldn't look like humans. There was no new condition set Punk Boy. You just punked out.

Now we'll sit back and watch you punk out again.

Waiting on your punk out.

;-)

I don't need all the words you used, bOoB. It's quite simple

I made a challenge (you agree?)
You set an unacceptable condition (you agree?)

So tell me again how this is weaseling out? LOL

You know what the problem is, bOoB? You don't use the word 'punk' enough. LOL Maybe a few dozen more instances you'll have yourself convinced that I weaseled out. Clearly you aren't convinced yet. LOL

Now dance for me some more, please. I don't like to be kept waiting.

I made a challenge (you agree?)

That is a fact.

You set an unacceptable condition (you agree?)

The "unacceptable condition" was in the statemnent you challenged Punk Boy

So tell me again how this is weaseling out? LOL

It is weaseling out because the gods of the Sumerians and Maya looked like humans. You changed the condition of my statement to say that the aliens couldn't look like humans, when that was what you challenged. Shall we look again?

I believe these gods were real, and I believe the proposed source of them. I also believe that Dec 21, 2012 will bring great changes to humanity. Since these gods of the Mayans and Sumerians have the same source, and these gods are aliens, I believe that Dec 21, 2012 will be the day they reveal themselves to humanity, and tell us the reason for that revelation.

#35 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-10-13 12:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

And in the very next post---you challenged.

I'll bet you $1000 you are wrong. You have nothing to lose if you truly believe in your convictions.

We on?

#36 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-13 12:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

I say the gods of the Sumerians and Maya were real---those gods look like humans in every depiction. You say you bet $1000 I am wrong. There was no new condition set by me---it was you who tried to set a new condition by not allowing the gods of Sumeria and the Maya to look like humans.

You are punking out just like I expected. Keep punking--we are all enjoying the show.

Keep on punking--waiting on you.

;-)

#204 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-20 04:11 AM | Reply | Flag

G-d damnit I am so sick and tired of hearing(Reading) this back and forth bullshit. Who gives a flying fuck if we will live past 12/21/2012. I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT GIVE A SHIT. This reminds Me of some school house bickering fit. I could care less. If I am alive then great if I am dead great too. This bickering back and forth just makes Me wish I had a fifth of some alcoholic beverage.

Larry

Be looking for an article on Medical Marijuana for Burn Survivors in Jan or Feb issue of High Times.

Donate to the Phoenix Society for this important cause. There are few maladies worse in life than what burn victims go thru, during and after treatment.

I just don't buy in to this whole myth of "I smoked weed in college". Smart people go to college. No smart person would mess around with illegal drugs! Illegal drug use is for the dregs of society, not our college bound youth! They are our future!

Go peddle your drug fueled lies some other place pothead! God will definitly make you pay for those sins, you cocksucker!

#89 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2009-10-19 03:09 PM | Reply | Flag: Fucking idiot

So you can't be smart and smoke weed in college? I'm a hell of a lot better off than some of the dipshits that chose to drink themselves stupid in college.

If you call yourself a conservative and you object to this, you're full of shit. This administration just recognized State's rights.

The whole problem with the Republican and Democratic parties is right here.

THIRD PARTY 2010!

Actually, I thought maybe something happened and he had to stay an extra week or two.

If anyone seems obsessed with Goatman it sure isn't me.

#199 | Posted by Timex at 2009-10-20 02:48 AM

I didn't meant it to sound like you were challenging Goat for being here when he was off work, Timex. You just asked an honest question. Actually, it was more me using your post to take a fun dig at mOntecOre than anything else. Worked too. lol

...You are punking out just like I expected. Keep punking -- we are all enjoying the show.

Keep on punking -- waiting on you.

;-)

#206 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-10-20 04:49 AM

The "Bbob and Punk Boy" show cracks me up.

#211 didn't meant = didn't mean

I made a challenge.
You set an unacceptable condition.

Now dance for me again and write irrelevant screenfuls, bOoB.

LOL

This administration just recognized State's rights.

#210 | Posted by brentrice1

No, this administration did not "recognize State's rights" in this matter.

"The Obama administration will not seek to arrest medical marijuana users and suppliers as long as they conform to state laws."

Herb still remains a Schedule II controlled substance at the Federal level and offenders can still be prosecuted at the Federal level.

Nothing in the current stance of the administration indicates that the law is being amended or removed.
The cost of pursuing petty users/possession is simply no longer financially viable considering the dire straits the nation's finances are in.

The true test of State's Rights will come when (and if) California goes for full legalization of Herb, for both medicinal and recreational purposes.

It is truly pretty funny to watch righties rail against Obama and also lefties rail against Obama.

Damned if he does or doesn't.

If he does, the right rail for what he did, while the left say he didn't go far enough.

If he doesn't, the left rail at the inaction, while the right cheer his failure.

He is most likely doing what's right, since he is pissing off both extremes, eh?

"Now we'll all sit back and watch you lie as you deny it.

Fuck you are easy to predict! LOL

#196 | Posted by goatman"

Lol. Wrong, and wrong again! What a douchebag.

"Now dance for me again and write irrelevant screenfuls, bOoB.

LOL

#214 | Posted by goatman"

Christ almighty - still here? And with that "special" granddaughter in town?

"Daddy, why is grandpa still in front of his computer? Did he even go to sleep last night? He looks really mad, and that vein in his head is sticking out again."

Tweedle Goat's Granddaughter

Some of you folks are just idiots.

I went to college, got an electrical engineering degree, and now make well into 6 figures. And I don't have to take a drug test. And I still smoke. My company doesn't do drug tests because most of our international clients will not do business with us if we have that policy. Can you see a corolary, we don't test, we are slammed full of work - we are even hiring.

You're going to find out that we as a country are only harming ourselves with these outdated draconian laws that are designed to save our souls for jesus.

One other thing, don't make this a conservative/liberal issue because there are no liberals in this country. By world standards even the most liberal person here is still a conservative.

Lol. Wrong, and wrong again!

Link?

I didn't think so, mr "advanced degree". LOL

Honestly, the quality of your trolling is becoming quite pathetic, m'boor. Knee-jerkingly saying "wrong" is pitiful. Didn't you pick up anything with that "advanced degree"?

Tweedle Goat's Granddaughter

Being 17 months old, such concepts aren't in her grasp yet, m'boor. But somehow I'm not a bit surprised that you want to talk about 'veins'. LOL

Lip I work closely with engineers since I work in Electronics and found it to be 50/50 on drug screening. All the larger firms that I have worked for like GE and IBM had mandatory testing.

Goat do they pull medical records to work on the rig? I'm interested still but I don't want them to know my mental history.

And I don't have to take a drug test.

Lipz -- didn't you tell me you did work on the Thunderhorse? I know for a fact that BP has a drug testing policy and that you have to submit to random drug tests at the BP heliport in Houma to get to the Thunderhorse.

How are you exempt? I didn't think anyone was -- not even rig managers and OIMs

What? LIBERAL General Electric demands drug screenings?

No way, how could Olbermann and Maddow pass?

(snark)

I think GE has something like 300K employees now with multiple divisions. Maybe NBC doesn't require them.

Prohibitionists lose another one...

Judge rules L.A.'s ban on new medical marijuana dispensaries is invalid
The Superior Court judge's decision undermines the city's 4-month-old drive to shut down hundreds of the stores.

#224 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-20 12:48 PM | Reply | Flag: Prefers the DR Over Beach with Granddaughter; Muy Patetico!

"Lol. Wrong, and wrong again!"

"Link?
I didn't think so, mr "advanced degree". LOL
Honestly, the quality of your trolling is becoming quite pathetic, m'boor. Knee-jerkingly saying "wrong" is pitiful. Didn't you pick up anything with that "advanced degree"?
#220 | Posted by goatman"

i hope when medical weed is ok in my state, i'm eligibe...

Haven't they made this announcement a few times already? And haven't DEA arrests at medicinal marijuana shops occurred regardless? It's a good idea, to be sure, but I'll believe it when I see it.
#17 | Posted by JOE at 2009-10-19 11:11 AM

100% agreed. The last time President Obama stated that DEA raids would stop (two months ago?) that very next day multiple arrests were made in legal California medical dispensaries. Never trust the DEA. Our only "protection" from their illegal and immoral actions are the police, but they've been co-opted with local cool SWAT assignments and riot tools that again target the medical marijuana community many times over. Fuck their authority, crack cocaine and meth are far more dangerous to our communities.

What? LIBERAL General Electric demands drug screenings?
No way, how could Olbermann and Maddow pass?
(snark)
#225 | Posted by woke at 2009-10-20 12:50 PM

No shit. They absolutely don't care if people freeze during this depression/recession - so many can't afford their massive energy costs let alone the food to put into the 'fridge. PGE are Nazi. I wish they didn't have their name plastered all over the only downtown ballpark or I'd spend money there. At least the Catholic organizations here in Portland are year-round trying to help keep families from living in the cold and darkness.

Oh, I know - the righties will claim "it's their own poor-ass fault".

that again target the medical marijuana community many times over.

crack cocaine and meth are far more dangerous to our communities.

#231 | POSTED BY REDLIGHTROBOT AT 2009-10-20 03:12 PM

So very right, AND much more dangerous to interdict too.....that is why they target pot users.....whose arrests have swelled our prisons to a percentage of Americans incarcerated more than commie china...

Way to go reagan's war on drugs!

Ever notice that whenever America encounters a problem, some people immediately call for a WAR on it?

War on poverty increased poverty.

War on drugs increased drug abuse.

War on terror increased terror....

etc.

War on terror increased terror.... - ASLEEP

Yeah, that suicide bomber at the HEB last week in San Antonio was almost as devastating as the one at the south Texas nuclear plant.

War on poverty - definitely increased poverty
War on drugs - please show increased drug abuse caused by same or stfu.

"War on drugs - please show increased drug abuse caused by same or stfu."

Goddamn, ElCid. Here we go again! The War on Drugs has not done a thing to reduce (or increase) drug abuse. In the meantime, experts agree that our prisons are overflowing and violent gangs are thriving on the illegal drug trade. The problem isn't that the War on Drugs causes increased drug abuse, it is that it clearly causes a huge increase in violent crime and incurs massive expenditures as law enforcement organizations try to fight an impossible fight. Worse yet, all this waste is incurred in an attempt to infringe on the personal freedoms of the citizens of the world.

elcid

and if i do, you will stfu?

war on terror

clinton used law enforcement and diplomacy with other nations.....
his tenure had 6 terror attacks on Americans
1 was WTC93 which occured one month after he took office
1 was domestic-ok city
2 in Saudi Arabia-US military installation
1 in Kenya (us embassy)1 in Tanzania (us embassy-same day)
1 was a military target USS Cole, a month before he left office

lilaWol/hallichainy stopped using diplomacy or law enforcement and instead declared "war" on terror, invaded/occupied two countries, neither of which had any nationals who attacked us

The overwhelming evidence locally and nationally is that, compared to treatment, enhanced (or ordinary) imprisonment simply doesn't work.

No need to stfu elcid

Just admit you are wrong

No need to stfu elcid

Just admit you are wrong

#238 | Posted by woke

no woke...let him speak! We need to know what we are up against.

Let the Enlightenment Begin!

What about the vast majority recieving some sort of Gov. aid? Sadly, they are not required to take a drug test either....

#157 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2009-10-19 08:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

.......and?

#200 | Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2009-10-20 02:50 AM

You have to ask? Typical from you senseless. Don't you think the Gov should at least make sure someone on the taxpayers dime isn't taking the money and buying drugs or alcohol? Is that really beyond your common sense barometer?

"What about the vast majority recieving some sort of Gov. aid? Sadly, they are not required to take a drug test either...."

You have a point there. Last I looked corporate CEOs weren't getting drug tested.

#241...

Pathetic. As usual. Maybe you don't pay taxes and couldn't give a rats ass.

Let me show you how DUPED you are Crispee.

It's my gift to you, despite how you've responded to me here on DR.

Study says most corporations pay no U.S. income taxes
Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:54pm EDT

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Most U.S. and foreign corporations doing business in the United States avoid paying any federal income taxes, despite trillions of dollars worth of sales, a government study released on Tuesday said.

The Government Accountability Office said 72 percent of all foreign corporations and about 57 percent of U.S. companies doing business in the United States paid no federal income taxes for at least one year between 1998 and 2005.

Right Donnerboy, that's what i said....NO NEED (for elcid) to stfu.....

Just admit he was WRONG.....

Think that'll happen?

Not likely with a rwr, eh?

Let me show you how DUPED you are Crispee...

tr.v., DUPED, duping, dupes.

It's my gift to you, despite how you've responded to me here on DR.

bitching about how you are responded to and then you bust this out....

Cause rushaddict, a multimillionaire told you so?

LOL

#246...

Maybe he will tell you how DUPED you are as well...

Study says most corporations pay no U.S. income taxes

Most corporations can easily just take more personal income for the ownership or fund retirement plans or deferred compensation plans. there are many remedies for this.

Most US corporations are not all that big either.

I would assume your complaint is with the larger corporations but I would further assume that those larger corporations do pay income tax.

The compensation thing has gotten way out of control but this has been a collaborated effort by both sides of the aisle for some time.

Much of the compensation took off AFTER Clinton put a cap on what corps could deduct for salary/bonus compensation.

When I was in the Navy, the piss tests were a joke. We were handed a cup and told to return it at the end of the day. This gave us plenty of time to get someone else's pee, or we even got away with putting Mountain Dew in the cup!

I heard all that changed after '81 when Reagan was sworn in. I got out after he had been in office two weeks.

#202 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-20 03:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

WOW...things have definitely changed!

They take it very seriously now. After each port visit, they use a computer to randomly select SSN's to be tested and if there's one positive, the ENTIRE SHIP gets quizzed. You have to whip it out in front of the Chief MAA and he has to see it go into the cup. I always annoyed him by asking if this was his favorite part of being in the Navy. He never smiled at that.

#249...

You really are against the State requring a drug or alcohol test before issuing the next monthly check? Or some system to make sure the money is going to feeding and clothing their kids?

You have to ask? Typical from you senseless. Don't you think the Gov should at least make sure someone on the taxpayers dime isn't taking the money and buying drugs or alcohol? Is that really beyond your common sense barometer?

#240 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2009-10-20 07:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

Have to ask? Have to ask what? I know you're simply trying to tun it into a "I hate people on welfare" rant but that wasn't the point of the conversation. You stuck your nose into a conversation and got it summarily dismissed and took offense to that.

The subject was 50K plus jobs and urinalysis....but then you try to turn it into some welfare attack.

#251...

I guess the parallel was over your head. Which is why you retorted "and...?" But everyday is opposite day with you. Hence the handle commonsence.

the handle commonsence.

Or commonsense...

The subject was 50K plus jobs and urinalysis....but then you try to turn it into some welfare attack.

#251 | Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2009-10-20 08:21 PM

Sorry if that hit so close to home. Maybe if they tested you and held your money, you would be motivated enough to get a job and off welfare.

Maybe he will tell you how DUPED you are as well...

he is trying to figure out a way to blame this on neocons.

I'm sure he will come up with something.

Lipz -- didn't you tell me you did work on the Thunderhorse? I know for a fact that BP has a drug testing policy and that you have to submit to random drug tests at the BP heliport in Houma to get to the Thunderhorse.

How are you exempt? I didn't think anyone was -- not even rig managers and OIMs

Here's the thread where you and Lipzoidial talked about the Thunderhorse, etc. I remembered when you guys discussed it because of what had happened to that rig. You'll have to just scroll down to read the few posts on it between the two of you.

Crispee says drug test poor folk who get govt asst. Someone says, yeah, let's do that to the ceos of corps who get corp welfare. Crispee says NO, they pay taxes, the poor don't.

I say corps and ceos get around paying taxes and prove my point with credible sources.

I ask Crispee why he is shilling for multimillionaire fkrs.

And then Eberly shows up and shills for them too.

Eberly says:

He ASSUMES big corps pay taxes.
(Apparently he didn't bother to read my linked sources about that.)

He says it's all Clinton's fault for putting on caps.
(trying to do something about it)

He posts a link about obama's fix but not even the titles of the article:

.Wall Street finds ways around executive pay caps

Corporate watchdogs applaud President Obama's moves to rein in compensation, but some experts caution that abundant loopholes -- and crafty lawyers -- could undermine any lasting effect.

articles.latimes.com

Ah, now I see why:

"Corporate watchdogs APPLAUD, but "some experts" caution that more loopholes will be found". Let's actually read this credible article condemning Obama's plan. 1. "some experts"? First is a person that consults on how to find those loopholes, she says they'll find away around them. Authors lament that the new rules only focus on corps receiving govt stimulus. Second one says, it is a step in the right direction. Then the first one says the banks are gonna be pissed and try to get back at the govt.

Sounds just like George W. Bush's pov on taxing the rich......

If they're going to say, oh, we're only going to tax the rich people, but most people in America understand that the rich people hire good accountants and figure out how not to necessarily pay all the taxes and the middle class gets stuck. George W Bush on Fox

Just throw the baby out with the bathwater, eh Eb?

Eberly says pointing out how someone is duped is mean and pernicious and akin to a personal attack.

But i say it is a gift to those who do not choose to remain ignorant and indoctrinated and continue to shill for a few thousand fkrs that make 350 times more than working people.

Word to the wise.

He ASSUMES big corps pay taxes.
(Apparently he didn't bother to read my linked sources about that.)

72% do. dumbfuck

He says it's all Clinton's fault for putting on caps.

I didn't blame him dumbfuck.

If they're going to say, oh, we're only going to tax the rich people, but most people in America understand that the rich people hire good accountants and figure out how not to necessarily pay all the taxes and the middle class gets stuck. George W Bush on Fox

what are you bitching about? The tax code has been written by beauracrats for decades who love this system.

all neocons right?

politicians who have morons like you to satisfy do these things to make you happy while inserting loopholes for the very same people who make 350 times as much to keep more of what they earn while you clap for it.

LOL

People around here need to just relax and shut the fuck up...

Anyone who shills for giant global corporations and their ceo's, who make 350 times what real working people make are either dupes or doing it intentionally. For what? Pay? Pride? Perniciousness?

If the shoe fits, wear it.

Whatever, to each their own.

You really are against the State requring a drug or alcohol test before issuing the next monthly check? Or some system to make sure the money is going to feeding and clothing their kids?

#250 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2009-10-20 08:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

PADRON THE WRIYING....YHE AMBIEN IS KICKING IN.

If they're drunk on booze, how can we know it was booze bought with the money we gave them. Trust me, it's pretty shitty at the bottom of societies rungs and If they want to dull the pain, then I see no issue with it.

While yes, I want the kids to be feed, that test can simply be done by looking in the cupbaord and looking at the kids. In the end, the parents wants to smoke some herb....I see no problem

"Crispee says drug test poor folk who get govt asst. Someone says, yeah, let's do that to the ceos of corps who get corp welfare. Crispee says NO, they pay taxes, the poor don't."
Woke

Woke ignorantly applies his own wharped logic and tries to make some ridiculous parallel. Then continues his skewed mindset claiming some tripe making up shit never written. Good for a laugh though.

"I ask Crispee why he is shilling for multimillionaire fkrs."
Woke

Pretty much said it all in paragraph above. God only knows how his brain's comprehension mechanism is wired. Because I ignore his bizarre logic which only he understands, and instead of ridiculing him, the fact I ignored his post automatically makes me a corporate shill. You can't make this shit up people. He is here for the laugh factor.

In the end, the parents wants to smoke some herb....I see no problem

#261 | Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2009-10-21 03:40 AM

So you have no problem with them smoking pot instead of seeking employment? Or is the fact he can smoke pot, means he can't get any job which testing is required? Which means a job with minumul pay and no Company insurance benefits? How is that good for him or his family if applicable?