Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Saturday, October 17, 2009

By RUSH LIMBAUGH
David Checketts, an investor and owner of sports teams, approached me in late May about investing in the St. Louis Rams football franchise. As a football fan, I was intrigued. I invited him to my home where we discussed it further.

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Anything involving Rush is sure to draw a crowd. His piece takes a couple minutes to read.

He speaks the truth, IMO.

"He speaks the truth, IMO."


The whole thing cracks me up. The NFL is absolutely full of druggies, rapists, wife/girl friend beaters, felons, dog killers etc. etc. and they think this guy is unfit????? I heard one guy say Rush played, "Barack the Magic Negro" on his program and he didn't realize that it was Al Sharpton who called him that. Ah, yes. My little friends are better entertainment than ANY of the TV comedies.


So? He's still a blowhard and a right-wing fruitcake, even if he was unfairly targeted by a nuerotic and manipulative media.

It is the same media condition that allowed him to make enough money to invest in a football franchise.

What goes around comes around. The others Rump cites all had their turn on the merry-go-round too and now Rump gets bit by his own vitriol.

The NFL does not need or want him. Big deal, he still has his loot and home behind guarded gates.

He's a big boy, rich beyond comprehension, still, he decides that he, corpulant megamillionaire, must play the victim card.

Tell yer story walkin Rump.

He speaks the truth, IMO.


The MAIN reason the Left and their lying ilk hate him.

"He's a big boy, rich beyond comprehension, still, he decides that he, corpulant megamillionaire, must play the victim card."

In this case he WAS a victim. Your envy of his success may be causing you to miss the point here. The NFL is NOT so pure that they should be black balling anyone AND if the media can get away with libel in the case of Rush Limbaugh, they can do it to anyone. I notice too that CNN has "kinda" apologized. Even when the media does that, the harm is done. Why is the media not going after corruption in our government with all that zeal? I mean, after all, doen't THAT affect the nation more than Rush Limbaugh wanting to buy a piece of the Rams?

www.youtube.com

Warren Ballentine had some rather interesting words for Juan Williams the other night. Williams, far from a righty apologist, was attempting to set the record straight for Ballentine and the viewers regarding Rush.

He was told, "go back to the porch."

Anyone care to defend that statement?

"Anyone care to defend that statement?"

There's no defense. To approach these matters with our little friends on the DR it's important to keep in mind the horrible double standard under which they operate. Only then can you understand their logic and enjoy the amusement they provide.

#6 | Posted by jestgettinalong at

It's the free market that dick heads like Rush claim to love so much at work here. His inclusion may have brought down profits and the group he was involved with tossed him. Can't jeopardize the ever important bottom line, can we?

"His inclusion may have brought down profits..."

Exactly...and what caused that. The media??? If Rush can prove libel here, he may have a big case. Could that have anything to do with CNN coming out with their quasi apology real quick???

"He speaks the truth, IMO."


Bullshit.

Anybody who believes that borders on just plain stupid.

A bunch of white, mostly conservative, NFL owners wanted no part of Limbaugh and his divisive politics.

End of story.

#10 | Posted by jestgettinalong at

I'd say it's his big fucking mouth that caused it, but I'm a liberal. What in christ's name would I know about personal responsibility????

sports.yahoo.com

"I'd say it's his big fucking mouth that caused it,..."

All the media researched thoroughly and could find no record of his having said what they said he did. CNN even jumped to apologize. Looks like it was the liberal media that had the big mouth.

"...but I'm a liberal. What in christ's name would I know about personal responsibility????"

It goes without saying...you didn't need that last sentence.

sports.yahoo.com

BFD

That idiotic 'god bless America' crap has no business in baseball.

#14 | Posted by jestgettinalong at

Yeah, it would take a conservative who is all about personal responsibility to blame everything they've ever said on someone else. All this time I've been taking the blame for my own actions when I didn't actually have to, who knew???

It's funny, he brags about how many people listen to his show. A lot of righties on this site brag about it too, as though it has a fucking thing to do with them. Now he's going to file a law suit over the things the people listening to his show have heard him say. . . .

I find it hilarious that the bloated gasbag is whining because he got swiftboated.

"I find it hilarious that the bloated gasbag is whining because he got swiftboated."

Ha!!!

Both funny and newsworthy.

"Yeah, it would take a conservative who is all about personal responsibility to blame everything they've ever said on someone else."

LOL...Let me try to make it easy. Rush did NOT say those things. If ANYBODY said that, it was John Huberman. Your zealotry (and your ignorance) are blinding you. It's OK though, don't let any facts confuse you now.

"Limbaugh's role in the potential sale became the target of liberals on Monday when reports surfaced on news organizations including CNN, MSNBC and the St. Louis Post-Dispatch that the radio personality once said that slavery "had its merits."

"Slavery built the South," Limbaugh was reported to have said. "I'm not saying we should bring it back. I'm just saying it had its merit. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark."

That purported statement, according to Post-Dispatch columnist Bryan Burwell, came from a 2006 book, "101 People Who Are Really Screwing America," by John Huberman, which does not provide specific details regarding the quote."


"Brent Bozell, president of the Media Research Center, a conservative media watchdog group, has called on CNN and MSNBC to prove Limbaugh actually made the slavery comment or immediately retract and apologize for their role in disseminating the message."

www.foxnews.com


CNN has apologized, I don't know about MSNBC

"Now he's going to file a law suit over the things the people listening to his show have heard him say. . . ."


If he DID say those things on the air, I'm SURE all the research would have discovered it. None has and CNN has apologized. Every one of his shows has been recorded, videotaped and and stored for posterity. If the comments couldn't be found, they weren't uttered. Should be a simple matter and remember...CNN has apologized.
Why don't you and your little friends just tell it like it is?
Here, I'll say it for you..."Wahhhh, it doesn't matter...we hate him anyway, sob, sob."

#20 | Posted by jestgettinalong at

LOL... Let ME try to make it easy. Can you imagine this dick smack owning a football team?

"It's Obama's America, is it not? Obama's America -- white quarterbacks getting injured and the black fans cheer."

I have no idea if he said the shit that you're saying he didn't or not, moreover, I don't give afat rat's ass. He has pulled enough shit and he got dumped. . . BY CONSERVATIVES who were concerned about the bottom line.

Also, the stadiums the teams play in are built through the e-vils of socialism. How could he live with himself?

""Wahhhh, it doesn't matter..."

#21 | Posted by jestgettinstupider


Sums up yer entire argument.

"I have no idea if he said the shit that you're saying he didn't or not, moreover, I don't give afat rat's ass."
Posted by NoGov4Me

I knew that all along.


""Wahhhh, it doesn't matter..."
Posted by Dave


I knew THAT all along too.

Ya'll have been great entertainment and lots of fun, but Texas and Oklahoma are kicking off right now and that's better entertainment. I know it's a mens' sport and you'd rather watch guys figure skating in tight little suits but you'll have to wait for the winter olympics. I'm grabbing a beer, some pretzels and starting a fire in the firplace. Bye now...

I know it's a mens' sport and you'd rather watch guys figure skating in tight little suits but you'll have to wait for the winter olympics.
......#24 | Posted by jestgettinalong

......men's sport ?.....the sort of way the Village People are a men's vocal group more like it......

......I mean look at what they do, they all wear tight, see-through pants so their butts are visible....
.......the quarterback puts his hands right up the center's arse, fondles his testicles as the signal to get the ball......
.......and for male viewers to enjoy the spectacle, they have to be drunk......(sort of like, "I'm not gay,but I went to this club, got drunk, then before you knew it, I was bumfucking this guy....")
.......then the ball carrier is hugged, and piled on by all these other guys in spandex pants......

........what sport could be "gayer" than this......

I don't know about you, SKIZ, but I really like watching the tight end. Especially when the QB goes deep.

#26 | Posted by OohRah at 2009-10-17 12:51 PM | Reply | Flag: Well earned funny flag!


I don't know about you, SKIZ, but I really like watching the tight end. Especially when the QB goes deep.
......#26 | Posted by OohRah

......I always thought you were more of a wide receiver......

Nope... I'm a QB sort of guy. Bob Griese was my fav. Snap snap!


......they said he was good in a huddle......


.......good'n Griese.....

Is GOAT around to admire these puns?

QB - snap, snap

We're legends in our own minds, SKIZ.


......Goat ?.......

.....he's probably straightening out the linemen.....

This entire attack on Rush--was planned and conspired.

You have Sharpton the poverty pimp himself, Jackson,
the media and the Obama cohorts--That brought out a letter from the executive director of the players union, DeMaurice Smith.

Mr. Smith was on the Obama transition team. And this guy pretends to talk for the players.

All based on lies and smears and you are next!!

And it is all about destroying a person for his pov on politics.

Because Jay z can own the Nets and Fergie can own something--but not Rush--because he is not the right kind of politics.

Some black talk radio guy told Juan Williams to 'get back on the porch' on O'Reilly Thursday night.

Nothing like Obama et al to call in favors to stick it to a conservative.

Tough shit OohRah I am tickled the NFL gave Him the proverbial Middle Finger. Serves the bastard right. I can't well I guss I can understand why You would take up for the slimeball. You supported Dubya after all.

Larry

...the media and the Obama cohorts
.... on the Obama transition team
.... like Obama et al
............34 | Posted by MURPHY

.......so Murph.......

.....you mention Obama three times in your rant and Rush only twice......

.....do you really think Obama gives a shit who owns some crappy football team ?...that he's going to take time out from healthcare, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, immigration, and every other disaster sitting on his desk to organize a conspiracy against Rush Limbaugh ?.......

.....and poor Limbaugh......not responsible at all for his public persona ??

This entire attack on Rush
All based on lies and smears
And it is all about destroying a person for his pov

.....Limbaugh is bears no responsibility if people see him as a racist prick ?.....just because he has a habit of making racist remarks and being a prick ?.....

....and "destroying a person" ??.....what's with that ??.....Rush is being paid 40 million a year, is that what it means to be "destroyed".....don't worry about Rush.....he can cry in his money.....nobody has destroyed him......

.....but sometimes you have to take responsibility for your own persona.......he created it....so it bites a little once in a while......this is that time......

"Tough shit OohRah I am tickled the NFL gave Him the proverbial Middle Finger. Serves the bastard right. I can't well I guss I can understand why You would take up for the slimeball. You supported Dubya after all." - LAR

All that, and I'm a Patriots fan to boot. Satan's warming a spot for me as we speak...

Who cares this fat tub of shit couldn't own a team?

The lies from the media and Sharpton and Smith were deliberate smears against someone they hate.

No problem--everyone can have an opinion and disagree or agree.

But the stuff they claimed Rush said were lies. He is not a racist.

And you condone it--you are part of the problem.

The WH has been gunning for Rush and Fox and Beck.

Next it will be The Nation, SNL, and CNN..


Yeah--Rush was bidding as a minority owner and this smear campaign destroyed his chance to do that.

All because of his politics.

Bet no one knew that DeMaurice Smith was on the Obama trasition team and the one from the NFL players union who sent that letter claiming no one would play for the Rams.

Top 10 Racist Rush Limbaugh Quotes

1. I mean, let's face it, we didn't have slavery in this country for over 100 years because it was a bad thing. Quite the opposite: slavery built the South. I'm not saying we should bring it back; I'm just saying it had its merits. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark.

2. You know who deserves a posthumous Medal of Honor? James Earl Ray [the confessed assassin of Martin Luther King]. We miss you, James. Godspeed.

3. Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?


4. Right. So you go into Darfur and you go into South Africa, you get rid of the white government there. You put sanctions on them. You stand behind Nelson Mandela who was bankrolled by communists for a time, had the support of certain communist leaders. You go to Ethiopia. You do the same thing.


5. Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it.


6. The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies.


7. They're 12 percent of the population. Who the hell cares?


8. Take that bone out of your nose and call me back(to an African American female caller).


9. I think the media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. They're interested in black coaches and black quarterbacks doing well. I think there's a little hope invested in McNabb and he got a lot of credit for the performance of his team that he really didn't deserve.


10. Limbaugh attacks on Obama. Limbaugh has called Obama a halfrican American' has said that Obama was not black but Arab because Kenya is an Arab region, even though Arabs are less than one percent of Kenya. Since mainstream America has become more accepting of African-Americans, Limbaugh has decided to play against its new racial fears, Arabs and Muslims. Despite the fact Obama graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law school, Limbaugh has called him an affirmative action candidate.' Limbaugh even has repeatedly played a song on his radio show Barack the Magic Negro' using an antiquated Jim Crow era term for black a man who many Americans are supporting for president. Way to go Rush.

Exactly, MURPH.

There's probably more to it than you and I know at this point.

For example, I briefly heard Rush say they'd traced the IP address of the Wiki contributor (the source for putting fake Rush quotes on his Wiki entry) to a New York law firm... a firm which has an interest in making a bid on the Rams. Should I hold my breath on the mainstream media looking into this intentional act of sabotage?

If nothing else, his being dropped only heightens his standing with conservatives. We're in a culture war, make no mistake. It didn't begin with Rush and it won't end with him.

#41 SKIZ...
I realize you don't care for Rush. And I do. With that in mind, would you call yourself a fair and reasonable person? Would you want to know whether what you're repeating is true or not?

Let's take a Keith Olberman, a person I almost 100% disagree with. If I ran a series of quotes from him... and assuming you strongly supported his views (as I do with Rush)... would you attempt to set the record straight in at least a couple of areas?
1. If the quotes were made up - false, fabricated.
2. To indicate the context within which the accurate quotes were made? After all, a printed word without context or vocal inflection DOES leave room for doubt, no?

I suspect you would. Because you'd want to be accurate, firstly... and fair, secondly... given that you were only reading the written word absent context and inflection.

We're in a culture war...
....#42 | Posted by OohRah

......we are.......but not the one you think......

.....Rush makes 40 million a year (from just one source, I have no idea how much more from others)......

.....I don't know how accurate it is, but I read one estimate that Rush is worth 400 million.......

.....he is not a victim of anything........

Skiz links to those statements would be appreciated.


.......but Rush IS part of the culture war in the US......

......he is allied with the millionaires against people who work for a living....he is a demagogue, whose job it is to incite the dumbed down population to oppose the very people who are trying to help them.......

......he riles up the poor, so that they will act against their own best interest, he will use race, gender, abortion, taxes, any hot button that he can press....in order to keep the trailer-trash riled up against reformers who want a fair shake for the working people.......

......like I said, he is a part of the culture wars, but not like you think.......

NVM I googled "top 10 racist statements by Rush"

The first link had sources, but it was the "100 people screwing up America..." book, which I don't have the pleasure of owning so I can't see the source that book finds.

I did find snopes, however.

www.snopes.com


Skiz links to those statements would be appreciated.
#45 | Posted by andyuhenet


wiki.answers.com


No one knows for sure, as Rush Limbaugh is not tied to a public company, and thus does not have to publish figures. This said, however, press releases and insider sources have been able to change a guess to "educated guess". Known revenue includes:

$285 million salary and bonus for 2001 through 2008 ($35m bonus, salary of approximately $31.25m/year)
$400 million salary and bonus from 2009 through 2016 ($100m plus bonus - the exact figure was not disclosed, except for "nine digit bonus" - and $38m/year salary)
So through his salary itself, he has earned $285 million for current work, $400 million for future. And that only covers back to 2001. Rush has been on the air since 1988. While he certainly earned less in his early days, it can be assumed his salary was significant. Additionally, it is rumored that he receives a share of advertising revenue, which would be quite large, considering his 20 million listeners each week.

With that in mind, would you call yourself a fair and reasonable person? Would you want to know whether what you're repeating is true or not?
.....#43 | Posted by OohRah

.....do you know who rejected Rush from the NFL ??.....

.....a bunch of old white male Republicans....that's who.......

.....as much as they like each other, they like money even more, and if the perception of a racist owner would have gotten in the way of a few bucks in lost sponsorship or revenues, well then fuck Rush.......

.....there are no black, Democrat, owners in the NFL that I know of......he was rejected by his own.....

......they are quite happy that he keeps their taxes low by fighting their cultural wars for them, but he has the stench of the trenches about him,.......and they don't want to be holding their noses when he is around.......

SKIZ-
I took time to think through a serious and reasoned post on #43. Would you respond to those points?

A general question/topic for anyone who cares to chime in.

As I've noted from some recent posts on this thread, a man's wealth apparently insulates him, preventing him from being a victim. Am I understanding that correctly?

So a man's wealth means "anything goes?" Is that what you're implying?

Conversely, I suppose, should a poorer man have carte blanche do virtually anything... insulated by his economic status?

43 | Posted by OohRah

....inasmuch as you think that Rush is on your side, that he reflects your thinking, that he mirrors your aspirations, he is a fraud.......

.....Rush is a "water-carrier" for the Waltons, Duponts, Wall Street, and other millionaire who feels that their priviledged positions depend on keeping common Americans poor.......

......this cultural war, really more of a class war, is not new in America, it has been ongoing since our inception, but whereas Western Europe, Australia, Canada, Japan, have found a balanced approach to wealth distribution, we are still agonizing over the proper share for everyone.....

.....thats why TAXES are a dirty word in America, other countries are able to see the value in making SOCIAL INVESTMENTS....to us.....its a dirty word....other western countries get better outcomes from their primary education systems, thereby putting fewer people in jail as adults, but not here, the millionaires refuse to play, so our schools are underfunded and our jails are bursting at the seams......but thats just one manifestation of the "cultural wars"......

.........yup......Rush is a participant in the culture wars.....but he's no victim......

OOhrah:

Rush burnt too many bridges with his big mouth.

Sorry, but this should be a lesson to all that eventually, people will be held accountable for their words, one way or another.

Money has nothing to do with this.


SKIZ-
I took time to think through a serious and reasoned post on #43. Would you respond to those points?

#50 | Posted by OohRah

......honestly.....I am just too lazy to go looking for all those sources......I found the quotes by googling Rush Limbaugh Racist Quotes....

.....if they are inaccurate.....then I shall apoligize for them......I don't listen to the guy, so it is possible that most of them are not real...

.....the one about Donovan McNabb is accurate, I remember when they had Rush on the football telecast and got rid of him for that remark, and his quotes about Obama are correct....other then that I did not hear them, so if you want to say that they are inaccurate, I will not argue.....

.....by the same token......

.....please think about two points.....one, Rush bears responsibility for his own persona.....he created that....and it has come back to bite him......

......two......he is engaged in the culture wars......but not on your side......he is a fraud whose job it is to get YOU to work against YOUR OWN BEST INTERESTS........

Burned too many bridges?

I'm assuming you mean he's too "controversial."

Does it concern you, in the least, that fabricated quotes were used to bludgeon him? That his political opponents shut him down? We're not talking a political debate here. We're talking a minority ownership in an entity... an entity where Rush would have no daily operational input.

Look, I'd have the same reaction if Bill Maher or some other lib wanted to be a minority/majority owner. The money backers are just that... $$$$.

Does it concern you, in the least, that fabricated quotes were used to bludgeon him? That his political opponents shut him down? We're not talking a political debate here. We're talking a minority ownership in an entity... an entity where Rush would have no daily operational input.


Look, I'd have the same reaction if Bill Maher or some other lib wanted to be a minority/majority owner. The money backers are just that... $$$$.

Posted by OohRah at 2009-10-17 03:51 PM | Reply


He is a fucking racist dude. His words damn Him to hell. I can not help that You can not understand this. Of course You support Him just like You supported Dubya. So it's typical of You and your ilk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Larry

Hell the SOB had the utter gall to make fun of Michael J Fox with His shenanigans. It's totally there OohRah. Sucks to be a Rushbot.

Larry

As I've noted from some recent posts on this thread, a man's wealth apparently insulates him, preventing him from being a victim.
......#51 | Posted by OohRah

.....a victim of what ?......

......Rush is playing the victim card, but the other NFL owners who turned him down are old, white, male, Republicans,......just like Rush.....

......so what's his beef ?........

.....the old pricks, faced with the potential of losing a few bucks, stabbed one of their own in the back..........poor, poor, Rush.......he should have known that you can't trust old, white, male, Republicans.......

......it is an indicator of what a strong grip Rush has on the sanity of his followers that he can actually play the VICTIM CARD and they swallow it........

That his political opponents shut him down?

......no......

....like I said....his own kind shut him down......

...it was those old, white, male, Republican pricks who turned him down.....they could have said yes.......

.....I guess Rush is good enough to carry their water.......but not quite clean enough to invite to dinner......


SKIZ-
As you know, I'm not out to play a gotcha with you, or anyone, for that matter. I want to discuss/debate a subjet.

Just please keep in mind some of those "quotes" simply didn't take place.

And others, as with anyone who makes a statement, are subject to interpretation based on context, voice inflection, etc. The written word, absent those variables, only tells a fraction of the story. Can we agree on that?

What you've done is what many have done. They assume Rush is "x" and thus anything goes which fits that narrative... or at least don't take the time to verify if the "anything goes" is accurate.

So all those quotes become believeable... even though they're shown to have been made up.

Does it concern you that people will make up quotes... and then that members of the media will take those quotes and run with them without bothering to check on the veracity of said quotes? Does that concern you? It does with me.

We're going down a dangerous path here, my friend.

"Does it concern you, in the least, that fabricated quotes were used to bludgeon him? That his political opponents shut him down? We're not talking a political debate here. We're talking a minority ownership in an entity... an entity where Rush would have no daily operational input."

LOL

I'm not convinced the quotes were fabricated. But since we are on the subject of fabrication, am I to assume you don't believe Rush has EVER fabricated anything to bludgeon someone else???
What he did to Michael Fox was inexcusable, not to mention inaccurate....and that's just one example.

This isn't political...this is holding a man accountable for the persona HE chose to display and the nastiness and hatefulness that has come out of his mouth.

Nothing about that man is "minority". He will have major input. He's not going to sit the sidelines.

His personality and his ego will not permit it.

The NFL made a wise decision here.

And others, as with anyone who makes a statement, are subject to interpretation based on context, voice inflection, etc. The written word, absent those variables, only tells a fraction of the story. Can we agree on that?

#60 | Posted by OohRah at 2009-10-17 04:01 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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BWHAHAHAHA Going out of Your way to defend the indefensable. At least I admit I am a freak. The least You can do is admit Rush Limbaugh is qa racist. It's as simple as that OohRah. You are behaving like a typical Republican and it shows too.

Larry

Does that concern you? It does with me.
.....#60 | Posted by OohRah

......you mean like all those people saying that Obama is not American ?......without any proof ?..

.....saying that there is a "Whitey" tape by Michelle Obama ?.....

......sure.......it concerns me.......

....but Rush is a man who swims in a cess-pool everyday.....now he complains that some shit has stuck to him.......


......don't worry Oraah......

....Rush will get over it......

We're going down a dangerous path here, my friend.
.....#60 | Posted by OohRah

.....I agree......but this road was chosen by the Republican attack machine....this is how they work....and I explained briefly above WHY they do it......they spend all their time throwing shit...well now a bit has stuck to one of them....

.....too bad......

Rush was libelled (sp?) on some quotes but it's ok because of his conservative icon status.

I'm sad at what I'm learning about posters I thought were reasonable before. I've also learned thanks to BBob that we never landed on the moon!

What a day!

Top 9 Quotes Rush Limbaugh Needs To Prove He Did Not Say

Conservative columnist and furtive Islamic Rage Boy pin-up fan Mark Steyn hit the nail on the head when he titled an article on Rush Limbaugh this week, "Okay, Prove You Didn't Say It!" For those who may have missed the big to-do, since his attempt to become part-owner of the St. Louis Rams Limbaugh has been charged with making a host of wildly racist remarks by many in the MSM, without any actual proof. In all fairness to the CNNs, Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermanns, and Bryan Burwells, verifying quotes is both time-consuming and often really hard.

With that in mind, we present the top 9 other quotes we're pretty sure Rush needs to prove he did not say.

9. "Sure I've got some spare quaaludes, Roman."

8. "It seems to me there just aren't enough good snuff films these days."

7. "The noble tolerance of Little Green Footballs blogger Charles Johnson is surpassed only by his philosophical consistency."

6. "Do not deprive your toddler of the subtle health benefits of glass chewing."

5. "You know what this country needs? To get involved in a protracted land war in Asia."

4. "I've got three words for you, Geraldo: Al. Capone's. Vault."

3. "I know I'm usually a traditionalist, but I want to be on the record as saying that this "New Coke" is the single best idea I've seen this side of a Milli Vanilli tribute band."

2. "You want to know an idea that's time has come? Asbestos snorkels."

1. "Waterworld' was a sensory delight; it left me emotionally exhausted and craving more soggy Costner."

If Jerry Jones can own a team why can't George Lincoln Rockwell, Charles Manson or Rush?

I live in Taiwan and have not seen a football game in more than a year.

ESPN Asia is nothing but baseball. The fucking Yankees, no less.

I'm reduced to watching 'Any Given Sunday.'

So learn to be thankful for what you have

Karma

Vernon you do know there are sources to watch the NFL on the NET?

Unfortunately Rush is in the same boat as The Dixie Chicks. You do pay a certain price for being vocal. I am not anti-Rush but you gotta admit his cumulative verbal effect on his opposition is many times stronger than what dimbulb, applause-starved Natalie Maines had to say that offended hers.

What I think really sucks here is that the guy who led him to believe it wasn't a big deal ended up weinie-ing out on him.

Rush is a polarizing figure. The NFL wants to appeal to all sorts of people, and not alienate any specific group. Rush would have been a drain on profits, plain and simple.

"The NFL made a wise decision here." - LISA

Here's one to mull over. What if an openly gay man or woman... and I'm talking a very high profile person... say someone like Elton John, was in Rush's shoes?

Would the NFL owners and players be on OK grounds to refuse him because of the NFL's image as a macho sport?

Don't assume that just because you or others think Rush is a racist buffoon that everyone else does. Liberals have larger media mouthpieces and it's politically correct to stand with the liberal viewpoint.

All that said, I can understand why he had to go. He is the symbol of conservatism in America and thus a lightning rod. I'm disappointed the vetting process wasn't conducted prior to him joining that group. Checketts messed up.

#74 Oorah that's what my beef is. Checketts shouldn't have strung him along.

"Rush would have been a drain on profits, plain and simple." - SCH

How so?

Up till this season all the games were sold out. Are you suggesting future television contracts would be less profitable? How do you reach that conclusion?

Do you really think Rams fans or NFL fans in general will choose/refuse to watch a game or buy merchandise because a team's minority partner is Limbaugh? Really?

We're not talking about some retail place like a car dealership. OK, I could see it then. If I wanted to buy a new or used car I could easily take my $$$ down the street to another dealership.

He has a huge listening audience. Perhaps his involvement would INCREASE viewership. But I don't know and it's not something we could accurately measure anyway.

Checketts messed up. And Rush's name was leaked. He had to go because he'd become a distraction to Checketts' goal.

I agree with you MRFAIR.

But make no mistake. This was a hatchet job with fabricated quotes and an all-too-willing set of "journalists" eager to repeat lies to bring down an opponent - for his opinions.

I'll be curious to see how the DR left handles my hypothetical in #74... if a high profile openly gay person wanted to own a team. Should the owners bar him because of the NFL's macho image?

And what of the players? Homosexuality is taboo in pro sports. Gay players simply can't be open about it. I'm sure we'd have players muttering about having a gay owner.

Would the lib media wish that scenario (a gay owner) to be a social experiment? Something to bring the Neanderthal NFL folks into the 21st century socially?

"All that said, I can understand why he had to go. He is the symbol of conservatism in America and thus a lightning rod."

Wrong.

He's the symbol of petty, divisive, hateful politics in America.

That's why he had to go.


"But make no mistake. This was a hatchet job with fabricated quotes and an all-too-willing set of "journalists" eager to repeat lies to bring down an opponent - for his opinions."


Can You say "swiftboated"?


"I'll be curious to see how the DR left handles my hypothetical in #74... if a high profile openly gay person wanted to own a team. Should the owners bar him because of the NFL's macho image?"

Probably not, but, pending on who the individual might be, I imagine they'd handle it much like the Limbaugh situation; if they thought said individual would be bad for business, then no, they wouldn't let them in the club. Is that right? That's debatable. But if it's within their legal right, then so be it.

Rush is certainly getting lots of free publicity. Which, unless he is a total moron who is oblivious to the effect he creates, is exactly what he wanted.

Another reprobate in a room of reprobates is not an issue. However, from the NFL's point of view, especially that of its owners, his part in any ownership would create a nightmare.

The NFL is all about violence. But, controlled violence, on the field of play.

They very much realize that Rush is a _very_ polarizing figure, politically and socially. And it is guaranteed that people would show up at games with placards stating that Rush is (pick your favorite expletive). And the kind of response the DR generates is what would occur in the stands. Guaranteed that some right-winger who believes the mantra that "libs are wussies" would learn otherwise while recuperating in a hospital. And then show up at a game looking for revenge. With lots of buddies - or, more likely, weapons. And the escalation and ramifications could increase.

Not the kind of pub the NFL wants. A nightmare scenario for them. So, he is out.

AIL-
Regarding fans bringing signs to the game, I have never attended an NFL game... but I do recall a while back in baseball there were limitations placed on signage. I think it had to do with the Indians when they stunk in the 80s. So there's precedent.

I guess a related point... how sad must one's life be to lay down some big bucks for a game, then bring along a sign to bash a minority owner? Says a good deal more about the fan, wouldn't you think?

AIL-
I'd be interested in your view on #74. An openly gay person desiring ownership in a league not particularly open to homosexuality.

#80 | Posted by OohRah

If your point is that people won't smuggle in signs, you haven't been paying attention. And not watching soccer games in South and Central America.

Yeah, it says a great deal about the fan. Which in no way means it won't happen. An inflamed fan will act like one, especially when fueled by beer.

And the NFL is very aware of this because they keep seeing it.

You see only sporadic incidents of such behaviour at various rallies. Because anyone starting a fight at those rallies facing very many opponents. If you get a mixture - well, bars are the best example.

"I'd be interested in your view on #74. An openly gay person desiring ownership in a league not particularly open to homosexuality." - Oohrah

Like with Rush, I don't have objections.

From the NFL's viewpoint, they would be deeply perplexed. My guess is that they'd oppose it because football is supposed to be for the "macho" fan. And, again, it is a very polarizing issue. And the NFL is adamantly not in the business of side issues detracting from their product.

I understand some might smuggle them in. If they display them, the signs are taken away and/or the fan is ejected.

Is that really a reason to ban someone for their words? Especially since the inflammatory words were NEVER said by him? CNN apologized. Why would they if they hadn't screwed the guy?

AIL-
So would you be as supportive of the NFL barring an openly gay celebrity (and Rush is a celeb) because of his comments on his gay lifestyle - which has been interwoven into our political discourse?

It is a perplexing issue, to be sure. Image is important, though I'd argue moreso for the action on the field than the $$$ backers behind the scene.

Openly gay people aren't as repugnant as Rush. The only guy that comes close is Glenn Beck.

The NFL markets very successfully to fans of all races, religions, sexual persuasions, wealth and political identities. The NFL is trying to clean up substance abuse by its players.

Rush makes his living by stirring up fears of Liberals, Blacks, Muslims, women and Hispanics.

Rush is a convicted drug addict.

There really isn't a fit here.

Another twist. Should owners (and players) be OK in barring someone because they are an outspoken religious fanatic?

And, would a Bill Maher be off limits as well, since he's a polarizing figure? What about Ted Turner?

"Especially since the inflammatory words were NEVER said by him?" - Oohrah

You're kidding, right? Which ever words you are focusing on are very much irrelevant. He is undisputably infamatory since that is his gig.


"I understand some might smuggle them in. If they display them, the signs are taken away and/or the fan is ejected."

It's nice to live in a world such as you project. The NFL, however, is a very cold-calculating outfit. They see what occurs in soccer, despite the best efforts of the law. They don't want to take any chances and I don't blame them.

"Rush makes his living by stirring up fears of Liberals, Blacks, Muslims, women and Hispanics." - FUR

Do you listen to him? Because if you did on any sort of quasi regular basis there's little chance you'd have that view.

Think back to childhood. We probably all knew of some kid with a certain "reputation," but when/if we took the time to get to know them we'd find that reputation wasn't all it was cracked up to be. We'd based that guy's standing on what we'd heard from people who were opposed to him.

"So would you be as supportive of the NFL barring an openly gay celebrity (and Rush is a celeb) because of his comments on his gay lifestyle - which has been interwoven into our political discourse?" - Oohrah

I'm not supportive of the NFL's decision re Rush, so I wouldn't support such a decision as you propose. Hell, I think violence in the stands would be even more fun than on the field. On the field it is controlled. Boring! Seriously. People keep spouting - let them demonstrate it.

"And, would a Bill Maher be off limits as well, since he's a polarizing figure? What about Ted Turner?" - Oohrah

Yeah, you must be kidding. If you view those two even in the same stadium as Rush. Rush, Beck, Hannity, Coulter, Malkin, et al have made an art of polarization. The far left of the 60s and 70s might compare, but not as individuals.

Though if that's how you see things, I can see why you would have few problems with the kind of atmosphere which presently exists in politics.

"You're kidding, right?" - AIL.

Nope. Not kidding. The commentators had been pulling info from Wikipedia and a book some dude wrote which supposedly contained Rush quotes.

None of those "quotes" were things Rush had said.

And for things he HAS said, you need to look at the context and his voice inflection. Or you can just pull the quote out of context.

It's like reading the Bible. A verse, without context and cross referencing with other areas in the Bible, leaves you with only a fraction of the passage's meaning/intent.

Now, if you want to bash someone, fine. But be fair about it. Take the time to see the context. Otherwise you're no better than the hacks who gleefully repeat lies... these "journalists" never bothered to call Rush's office to verify the veracity of a quote.

"Do you listen to him? Because if you did on any sort of quasi regular basis there's little chance you'd have that view." - Oohrah

People who do listen to Rush, and disagree with him, say otherwise. Like it or not, admit it or not, his money says you are wrong.

And, would a Bill Maher be off limits as well, since he's a polarizing figure? What about Ted Turner?


How about
George Soros?The Repugs were up in arms when he was bidding for the Washington Nationals.


Major League Baseball hasn't narrowed the list of the eight bidders seeking to buy the Washington Nationals and some Republicans on Capitol Hill already are hinting at revoking the league's antitrust exemption if billionaire financier George Soros , an ardent critic of President Bush and supporter of liberal causes, buys the team.

"It's not necessarily smart business sense to have anybody who is so polarizing in the political world," Rep. John E. Sweeney (R-N.Y.) said. "That goes for anybody, but especially as it relates to Major League Baseball because it's one of the few businesses that get incredibly special treatment from Congress and the federal government."



#93
I'm posing hypotheticals. If it's controversy one wishes to avoid (homosexuality, conservatism) then what about liberalism?

Or is only the brand of controversy in question?

#94 | Posted by OohRah

You skipped what I had read to focus on what you want to say. I stated that "Which ever words you are focusing on are very much irrelevant. He is undisputably inflamatory since that is his gig." _That_ is the point.

I don't at all care if he said what they claim or not. Because it in now way detracting from the only essential point, that he _is_, very undisputably, inflamatory.

REIN-
In a free country Soros should be allowed to purchase, as would Rush. There will always be opposition.

I realize why Rush was dropped. And I don't disagree with it. What I'm ticked about is how it got to that point: Checketts had indicated the vetting process had been done prior to getting Rush involved... and... the out and out lies about inflammatory quotes the media used to bludgeon someone.

If it can happen to him, it can happen elsewhere. How comfortable are you with creating lies to smear someone? Does the end justify the means?

"If it's controversy one wishes to avoid (homosexuality, conservatism) then what about liberalism? Or is only the brand of controversy in question?" - Oohrah

There is controversy and there is controversy. Sports controversy is at the heart of sports. The kind of controversy Rush (and the others) create is a very different type. People like you _really_ need to recognize that before this crap does break out into violence. You don't go around calling people traitors and "needing to be lynched" (per Coulter) and think there will be no ramifications.

Calling someone crazy because of a sports opinion is very different from stating that "liberalism is a mental disease". Politics, because it so very much impacts society, is on a different plane from sports. People recognize sports disagreements for what they are. People, however, very much believe in their political and social views.

"Another twist. Should owners (and players) be OK in barring someone because they are an outspoken religious fanatic?

#88 | Posted by OohRah"

Yeah if they are too controversial they don't sign them. Happens all the time. If they have already signed them they can end their contract at any time. If they somehow break a clause on morality they can void the contract and force repayment of unearned bonuses.

At the owner level the NFL has very specific rules about approving the sale of a franchise which is vote based. FRANCHISE. Many other franchise based businesses have similar abilities they can exercise.

"How comfortable are you with creating lies to smear someone? Does the end justify the means?" - Oohrah

Now you are going way overboard. "Your side" has been in overdrive in doing this since Clinton, if not Carter. Have you walked away from the GOP because of it? Seems I keep reading, in your posts, that it is an issue of who wins, not the means.

So does all this means two wrongs make a right?

Snopes has found that some of the quotes attributed to Rush were actually made by him. His words came back to bite him in the ass.


www.snopes.com

"I realize why Rush was dropped. And I don't disagree with it. What I'm ticked about is how it got to that point: Checketts had indicated the vetting process had been done prior to getting Rush involved... and... the out and out lies about inflammatory quotes the media used to bludgeon someone.

If it can happen to him, it can happen elsewhere. How comfortable are you with creating lies to smear someone? Does the end justify the means?

#99 | Posted by OohRah "

Oohrah, you are a employment consultant. I assume you understand about stakeholder management? Perception and support are 99% of the game, ability is 1%.

I mean, AIL, that the left created lies... totally false quotes... and willfully repeated those highly inflammatory quotes with the specific purpose of harming someone. Are you OK with that?

FUR-
The issue of, essentially, that Rush would hurt profits came up earlier. I addressed that in post #76.

"Do you listen to him? Because if you did on any sort of quasi regular basis there's little chance you'd have that view.
#91 | Posted by OohRah "

Nope, I just read and hear his quotes in the news and online. That is giving him far more objectivity to him than he deserves considering he makes shit up against the supposed opposition he attacks on his show.

This is the image he generates, nurtures and has made him millions. Do you think he is some victim of the media? HE IS THE MEDIA.

"I mean, AIL, that the left created lies... totally false quotes... and willfully repeated those highly inflammatory quotes with the specific purpose of harming someone. Are you OK with that?

#106 | Posted by OohRah"

Oh please grow up Oohrah.

How about the Clintons ordering a hit on Vince Foster. Who made that one up, Liberals?

"So does all this means two wrongs make a right?" - OohRah

Not the issue, now, is it. The issue is whether the NFL acted in its best interests per its perspective. The answer very much seems to be "yes".

"I mean, AIL, that the left created lies... totally false quotes... and willfully repeated those highly inflammatory quotes with the specific purpose of harming someone. Are you OK with that?" - Oohrah

Oohrah, you can make a valid case without resorting to the self-righteous crap. I see that done on both sides. It has always been a fact of political life. And, very unfortunetly, is now becoming a fact of everyday life. I am fine with neither. I do recognize it as a fact. And I credit _neither_ side with the high ground. If anything, since the Right tries to claim the "high moral ground", I fault them more.

"He has a huge listening audience. Perhaps his involvement would INCREASE viewership. But I don't know and it's not something we could accurately measure anyway.

Checketts messed up. And Rush's name was leaked. He had to go because he'd become a distraction to Checketts' goal.

#76 | Posted by OohRah"

His audience demographics are white american male with limited college education. I would wager a bet ALL of them watch the NFL unless they hate professional football. As for them suddenly becoming Rams fans because of Rush let's use the following example: do you think UNC fans would suddenly become Duke fans if Jordan became head coach there?

Shit, if the Rams cannot sign top Black players, like 90% of the NFL, because they don't want to work for a racist asshole (real or perceived) then how well do you think the Rams would do? Players have boycotted teams for far less, think Eli Manning.

Do you have any sense of logic or perspective?

"Not the issue, now, is it." - AIL

It would seem to be, since when I talk about creating lies to destroy someone, your response seems to be that that's the way it is.

And I'm asking you whether that's OK with you. I read where you're NOT OK with that. So that's good.

You're right. The issue, per your "The issue is whether the NFL acted in its best interests per its perspective. The answer very much seems to be "yes"."

And I'm suggesting the totally false quotes led the way in ruining his shot. I'm NOT arguing that his real quote history would bar him.

And you'd say he has a history which preceeds him... and that history is enough to squash him. OK. The owners didn't vote on it. Irsay spoke against him. The Obama supporter - the NFL players' association head - spoke against him... and Checketts blinked. There was never a vote.

How about the Clintons ordering a hit on Vince Foster. Who made that one up, Liberals?


Made up?

"Snopes has found that some of the quotes attributed to Rush were actually made by him. His words came back to bite him in the ass. "


Then the Obama pages ought to be real doozies. Cannot wait to see them. They can be used in their context to run ads for Conservatives.

"Do you have any sense of logic or perspective?" - FUR

That quote you reposted of mine was in response to someone saying that profits would decline with Rush aboard. I was challenge that point. As to whether his ownership would INCREASE viewers, I'd have NO WAY to quantify that.

Made up?


#114 | Posted by The_Chapel


Yes, and the gelatinous junkie was right in the middle of that smear.

mediamatters.org

"Shit, if the Rams cannot sign top Black players, like 90% of the NFL, because they don't want to work for a racist asshole (real or perceived) then how well do you think the Rams would do?" - FUR

St Louis isn't exactly challenging for the Super Bowl, in case you hadn't noticed.

But to your longer term point, what credible evidence do you have to support that claim? The NFL operates under a salary cap (though that's REALLY in jeopardy) so there's only a finite amount of $$$ for teams to spend.

"And you'd say he has a history which preceeds him... and that history is enough to squash him. OK. The owners didn't vote on it. Irsay spoke against him. The Obama supporter - the NFL players' association head - spoke against him... and Checketts blinked. There was never a vote." - Oohrah

The simplest way out for the other owners. That's how reality works. Had _nothing_ to do with "Obama sipporter". If you're going to talk about "lies", don't introduce one of your own.

Yes, it's true the guy was a big Obama guy. Are you contesting that?

AIL, the owners DIDN'T VOTE. So there was no option for owners to, as you say, take The simplest way out for the other owners.

Rush was dumped by Checketts.

Look, what's done is done. We've debated most every angle I can think of.

Lessons learned? Reputation, and its potential impact is a variable. And too much baggage really hurts when you want to join a group.

Also, specifics don't seem to matter... like the truth. Character assassination is open game for some.

"St Louis isn't exactly challenging for the Super Bowl, in case you hadn't noticed.

But to your longer term point, what credible evidence do you have to support that claim? The NFL operates under a salary cap (though that's REALLY in jeopardy) so there's only a finite amount of $$$ for teams to spend.

#118 | Posted by OohRah"

Yeah and they would stay mediocre if they can't attract talent during a rebuilding phase with old Rush.

Regardless the best talent have multiple offers and can pick and choose. And they won't pick the team run by a racist fat bastard. Also in case you haven't noticed there are many Black, females, Gay and Hispanic NFL fans who will definitely not care to watch the Rams because of Rush.

"Yes, it's true the guy was a big Obama guy. Are you contesting that?

AIL, the owners DIDN'T VOTE. So there was no option for owners to, as you say, take The simplest way out for the other owners.

Rush was dumped by Checketts.

#120 | Posted by OohRah "

Again Oohrah you forget to apply basic corporate governance models against this problem. Before any vote there is constant informal discussions between stakeholders about the subject and how they will vote. A vote is just a formality. How the vote will go is known far in advance. Why vote when you know it will fail?

Oohrah, if you like I can provide consulting to you about corporate governance. Help you to advise your clients about navigating the corporate world.

"Before any vote there is constant informal discussions between stakeholders about the subject and how they will vote." AIL

And that's where Checketts dropped the ball.

"Yes, it's true the guy was a big Obama guy. Are you contesting that?" - Oohrah

You make the conclusion that his support of Obama caused his decision. Until you can prove that, you are promoting a lie.


"So there was no option for owners ..."

Of course there was. They very obviously wanted this outcome but, as usual for them, didn't want to get their hands dirty. Their standard m.o. if you bother to research them.

"Lessons learned? Reputation, and its potential impact is a variable. Also, specifics don't seem to matter... like the truth. Character assassination is open game for some." - Oohrah

Good. Now apply that to the treatment Obama is getting. And criticize that similarly.

"Good. Now apply that to the treatment Obama is getting. And criticize that similarly.

#126 | Posted by AILtd"

Oh no, that's different. Everyone knows Obama is the socialist anti-christ nazi. Heard on Glenn Beck.

""Before any vote there is constant informal discussions between stakeholders about the subject and how they will vote." AIL" - #124 | Posted by OohRah

Nope, Furio stated that. Don't go spreading lies about me!

Spare the condescension. No need to keep up with that line.


"You make the conclusion that his support of Obama caused his decision. Until you can prove that, you are promoting a lie." - AIL

He admitted he hasn't listened to him and only gets his knowledge of Rush from reading others.

One might think that someone of his stature would first conduct some behind-the-scenes exploratory efforts to determine the real story before immediately coming out with a damning perjorative statement.

You reach your own conclusion as to whether his political ideology was the driving force in blackballing Rush.

This is Obama's America.

Sorry AIL! Syphilis has eaten my brain cells.

Let's bring this thing to an end. I'm watching my Pats play in the snow.
MOSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Touchdown!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"One might think that someone of his stature would first conduct some behind-the-scenes exploratory efforts to determine the real story before immediately coming out with a damning perjorative statement. "

Oohrah, Obama has other people to listen to Rush, take quotes and form an opinion for the administration. Just like they do on thousands of other streams of information.

You think it is worth a president's time to listen to a populist radio show?

Again, get a little perspective on how the world works.

""Before any vote there is constant informal discussions between stakeholders about the subject and how they will vote." AIL

And that's where Checketts dropped the ball.

#124 | Posted by OohRah "

Sorry Oohrah, I didn't realize you were privy to conversations between NFL owners.

"You reach your own conclusion as to whether his political ideology was the driving force in blackballing Rush." - Oohrah

I have. And I can't, if I wish to retain my conscience, agree with you.


"This is Obama's America."

Repordedly the best country in the world. Or so I hear from lots of right-side people.

Pats are firmly in control. 4 TDs in one quarter... know the last guy to do that? McNabb. How's that for irony?!!

FUR:
"Sorry Oohrah, I didn't realize you were privy to conversations between NFL owners."

Step back. Your own post, "Again Oohrah you forget to apply basic corporate governance models against this problem. Before any vote there is constant informal discussions between stakeholders about the subject and how they will vote. A vote is just a formality. How the vote will go is known far in advance. Why vote when you know it will fail?

So, yes... Checketts dropped the ball. Rush had told him of the firestorm if he (Rush) got on board. Checketts assured him that had all been taken care of.

I don't see why you disagree with me on this.


Five TDs in one quarter. Bring in the bullpen. Brady's arm is tired.

"Repordedly the best country in the world. Or so I hear from lots of right-side people." - AIL

It is the best country in the world. Do you agree?

That it's the greatest country doesn't mean I think Obama's racial politics is helpful. Do you?

"So, yes... Checketts dropped the ball. Rush had told him of the firestorm if he (Rush) got on board. Checketts assured him that had all been taken care of.

I don't see why you disagree with me on this.


#135 | Posted by OohRah"

Checkett's isn't an NFL owner. He wouldn't be the one managing the stakeholders. He might have gotten the informal support of a couple of owners but that's it.

"It is the best country in the world. Do you agree?" - Oohrah

Well, I've told Tosser that, among quite a few others.


"That it's the greatest country doesn't mean I think Obama's racial politics is helpful. Do you?"

I'm giving him much more time before I decide. Right now I think he's doing ok. But I don't in any way agree that he is practicing "racial politics". See zilch evidence for that. Ah, the vicicitudes of being an independent.

"It is the best country in the world."

It amazes me when tribalists say stupid stuff like that, as if "best country" was some kind of objective measure that could be proven empirically, rather than just primitive chest-pounding.

"...as if "best country" was some kind of objective measure that could be proven empirically ..." - Nulli

If you debate someone who unequivocally states that the U.S. is the biggest evil in the world (yeah I do that a lot), that isn't an issue. Otherwise, you are right.

"It amazes me when tribalists say stupid stuff like that, as if "best country" was some kind of objective measure that could be proven empirically, rather than just primitive chest-pounding.

#139 | Posted by nullifidian"

Oohrah again doesn't understand perspective. Argentina, Great Britain, the Netherlands, Spain and Portugal were once the greatest empires of their periods in recent history.

Trade you some tulips for your F-150?

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