The cycle of pregnancies and abortions, which began when she was 16 and ended when she was 33, was also punctuated by several suicide attempts.

Of course, you'd rather this crazy bitch had the 15 kids.

Of course, you'd rather this crazy bitch had the 15 kids.

#1 | Posted by IraqiBukkake at 2009-10-14 10:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

I'd rather she kept her legs closed or tracked her fertility. Knowingly getting pregnant and then purposely having an abortion is tantamount to murder. She did it out of spite for her husband - as opposed to a more sane course of action such as divorce - or not getting married at 16.

In which Billy El Cid, surely a male, piously intones his fetal rights gibberish one more time and wishes he could control the sex lives of every female. He (!) would decide about all other peoples' marriages. herm

"Wuh? Only 15?"

werm

If the fetus were gay, herm wouldn't know whether to walk it down the aisle or to an abortion clinic.

As long as they were all black, we are good with it.

-The Left led by Obammy

Another abortion thread....
call the Conservative Waaaaahhhhhmbulance! They're gonna be cryin' crocodile tears any minute now!

This is a sad, sad story.

In which Billy El Cid, surely a male, piously intones his fetal rights gibberish one more time and wishes he could control the sex lives of every female. He (!) would decide about all other peoples' marriages. herm

#3 | Posted by herm at 2009-10-14 11:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

Once again, HERM comes in with a nonsensical argument about controling peoples sex lives and marriages. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. Something you know nothing about, should control peoples lives. Gibberish? Calling abortion "reproductive rights" is ludicrous and childish. You once again show your disdain for the value of life by defending this sad sack of a human being who got her jolies off by wacking 15 people on purpose. What a blivet on the ass of humanity you are HERM. Now put your teeth back in and watch Larry King.

I think the child should have 100% right over their own lives, however, some poeple who advocate for abortion think that the female has 100% rights over the child.

In a realistic world, even for those who live in an abortion acceptance world, the female should have only 50% of the control over the child, and the male 50% control of the outcome of the child.

Is it admissable for a woman to get an abortion even in the event that her partner, or for this matter lets say husband wants to have the child?

Does not the husband have just as much right to the child? How can the woman abort the shild based on her own desires when there are not just one, but two other parties rights involved. The rights of the woman, the rights of the child, and the rights of the partner.

Can I have an explanation as to why those who support abortion simplify the situation to womens rights to their own bodies?

"Is it admissable for a woman to get an abortion even in the event that her partner, or for this matter lets say husband wants to have the child?

This has been one of my questions for quite awhile.

I feel bad for men because they, along with the developing human, have no say so.

This woman in the story is a perfect example of irresponsibility and uses abortion as a method of birth control.

Shameful.

This is what I have a problem with as well Lisa. Let's say Boy Girl meet have sex and She winds up Pregnant. He wants to keep it but She doesn't. Since part of that fetus is in fact His He should have some say but it ultimately winds up being Her choice which always sucks for Him. I just think it's patently unfair to say the least.

Larry

All the carnage could have been avoided if the bitch had been serious about her first suicide attempt.

If the kids would have turned out anything like her, I'm glad they aren't here.

i guess if abortion was illegal she'd have a closet full of unhung clothes on the floor.

"I'd rather she kept her legs closed ....
#2 | Posted by ELCIDCE90"

You didn't say that when you were preparing to put your little worm in her nasty snatch for almost kid #13, did you Elcid?

Does not the husband have just as much right to the child? How can the woman abort the shild based on her own desires when there are not just one, but two other parties rights involved. The rights of the woman, the rights of the child, and the rights of the partner.

Can I have an explanation as to why those who support abortion simplify the situation to womens rights to their own bodies?

#10 | Posted by ExpsRedemption

When men start getting pregnant, then you'll have a talking point.

Otherwise...

Fergetaboutit!

How do you figure that men should get exactly 50% of the say in an fetus' outcome when he neither has to gestate or give birth to it?

Does his four minutes of "labor" ACTUALLY equal her 388800? Or the fact that she risks her very life to continue the pregnancy equal his offering to pick up ice cream for her?

Would this not give her 51% of the say in your court?

"Would this not give her 51% of the say in your court?"

Which leaves the man with nothing.

How can the woman abort the shild based on her own desires when there are not just one, but two other parties rights involved

Ignorance and frustraion go hand in hand you know.

If you stuck with the facts, you might understand.

That said, this woman is sick.

Dear Nobel Committee:

Perhaps we could confer a Nobel Prize for most procedures to remove unwanted masses of tissue.

Sincerely,

The Left

This woman is the third generation of her family with severe mental health issues. Her grandmother attacked Congress with a gun and her mother killed herself by jumping out of a moving car. Now she's either had 15 abortions or is making a false claim to get attention. In any case, to me it's more of a mental health story than one for scoring points about abortion.

That's one hell of a book cover design, though.

I am pro choice but this woman is nauseatingly sick.

You go girl! Don't let those right wingers try to shame you! Sing it from the roof tops!

It wasn't that long ago that Planned Parenthood was selling T-shirts emblazoned with "I had an abortion" on the front.

After 14 abortions she still hadn't learned any birth control. How dumb can one be? Who paid for these abortions?

When men start getting pregnant, then you'll have a talking point.

----

pregnant redneck man gives birth to future wife

"to me it's more of a mental health story"

----

Has she been diagnosed with anything?

Oh he/she is no redneck. He/She is about as female as you can get. He/she does mow the lawn though.

The community accepted them and their child. Let it bother you if you want.

pregnant redneck man gives birth to future wife

The couple then give birth to a nerfherder.

does 'goatman" confirm you are the redneck offspring of a goat and a man??

"Has she been diagnosed with anything?"

I understand that she has been diagnosed as liberal.

#10 | POSTED BY EXPSREDEMPTION
"Is it admissable for a woman to get an abortion even in the event that her partner, or for this matter lets say husband wants to have the child? "

This may be a tough one for some people.
Does the potential father have a right to know?
Does it go further than that?
Does the potential father have a legal voice in the decision?

In my opinion, you have to defer to the mother in this case.
Not to make light of it, but she is the one who'd be carrying to term.

I'd like to think that a woman would discuss it with her partner, and even ask his opinion, but that's not always going to be the case. It is not something to legislate, and in any case I'd say her decision has to supercede his.

"Does not the husband have just as much right to the child?"

No. Does he have a voice? Yes. But again, I don't think he can legally have an equal voice. True, it takes two to conceive, but the woman is the one who is pregnant.

"The rights of the woman, the rights of the child, and the rights of the partner. Can I have an explanation as to why those who support abortion simplify the situation to womens rights to their own bodies?"

You are correct, all three can be considered, and if you want to assign an equal portion of rights to all three, then you are entitled to that opinion. My opinion is that the rights of the women trump the other two, and to me the reasons are obvious. Why is it simplified to womens' rights to their own bodies? Because that is the very issue. No simplification needed.

"Irene Vilar said she had the abortions not from poverty or fear but as an extraordinary act of rebellion against her 'controlling' husband who did not want children."

How is having abortions rellious against her husband? He didn't want children???

She later states that she was afraid he would leave her if she were pregnant.

She contradicted herself a few times in the article.

Maybe Rcade is right...she sure sounds unstable to me!

Does the potential father have a legal voice in the decision?

----

The father is legally responsible for financial support if the child is born.

She later states that she was afraid he would leave her if she were pregnant.

she is unstable. why not just get her tubes tied 10 or 12 abortions ago?

#11 | POSTED BY LISA
"This woman in the story is a perfect example of irresponsibility and uses abortion as a method of birth control. Shameful."

I think her reasons are shameful.

In reality, when is abortion NOT a method of birth control, though?

"In reality, when is abortion NOT a method of birth control, though?"

As in rape, incest or life threatening for the mother?

does 'goatman" confirm you are the redneck offspring of a goat and a man??

Just as much as 'nerfherder' confirms you have a sponge for a brain.

(hint: It's only an on-line screenname)

In reality, when is abortion NOT a method of birth control, though?

Tom, no matter the reason for abortion, it is still birth control, isn't it? They are ending a pregnancy...controlling the fact they won't give birth.

I have strong opinions on even rape, incest or life threatening conditions to the mother.

I wouldn't have an abortion under any circumstance.

"Just as much as 'nerfherder' confirms you have a sponge for a brain"

Why don't you bore a hole in yourself and let the sap drip out?

Why don't you bore a hole in yourself and let the sap drip out?

I already have several holes in me. Thanks for the suggestion, though

"I wouldn't have an abortion under any circumstance"

I would, but only under one circumstance-- if I somehow went back into the past, became my mother, and found out I was pregnant with myself.

"I wouldn't have an abortion under any circumstance."

What if I throw in one of those nifty T-shirts Planned Parenthood used to sell and a copy of Motherhood: Memoirs of an Abortion Addict?

The father is legally responsible for financial support if the child is born.

#35 | Posted by Pirate at 2009-10-14 04:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

So the "father" has no decision in the matter but becomes financially responsible if the baby is carried to term? Yep - there's liberal logic for ya.

Don't get me wrong, the "father" should have financial as well as parental responsibilities - the woman should not have the only voice in carrying the baby to term - she made her choice to share that decision when she allowed something other than her own body to be inside of her. (rape and incest not withstanding for the previous statement)

What if I throw in one of those nifty T-shirts Planned Parenthood used to sell and a copy of Motherhood: Memoirs of an Abortion Addict?

everybody loves freebies!!!

"she is unstable. why not just get her tubes tied 10 or 12 abortions ago?"

I hear that doesn't make for such a good premise for a book.

Besides, T-shirts that say "I was responsible and had my tubes tied" wouldn't be a cutting edge progressive commentary on babies.

...extraordinary act of rebellion against her 'controlling' husband who did not want children.

In this case the extraordinary act would have been to have the children.

This story stretches credulity past the breaking point. Check her psychiatric history.

I don't think we should be raining on her constitutional right to do with her own body what she chooses to do. It's high time that we destigmatize abortion. Someday, if I am able to institute re-education camps like other excellent left wing regimes, those on the radical right will finally join our struggle for economic, gender, environmental and gay / bisexual and transgender justice.

This book should be in every elementary and highschool library across the country so our young people can see how a constitutional right to privacy was used as an effective tool to help a woman in her journey through an unhappy heterosexual relationship.

Your Dear Leader,

Barry

whore

The woman claims 15 abortions.

Which State did she live in and when?

Then, check Roe v Wade's ruling.

If the abortion was performed before 'quickening' as SCOTUS put it, the State has no input - unless there was no physician's medical judgment.

It's in the R v W decision. The State has not say if the woman secures the abortion with her physician's medical judgment.

If his judgment is faulty, then its malpractice.
But, if his judgment is deliberate without medical judgment, then it could be murder, depending on State law.

It is isn't a right. R v W ruled on that, too.

So, if you are the father and you want a say in the issue of abortion, sue the doctor first to verify the medical judgment. The majority are, based on many studies available on the internet, not based on medical judgment and raises the question of both malpractice and intent to commit murder.

Better check your State laws.

Also, the idea that SHE makes the decision on abortion and HE has no say really does suck. Especially when SHE can have the child and make HIM pay for it for life. If SHE kills the child and he wants to keep it, HE pays for it for life.
She can even agree not to hold him responsible for the child, have the child, and have a court overturn her own agreement.

California's law is even worse. If he doesn't prove paternity in a set amount of time, he can't go to court to ask for a paternity test and still be held liable as the father.

I don't think we should be raining on her constitutional right to do with her own body what she chooses to do.

#49 | Posted by HopeyChangey

That's society's problem. They didn't read R v W's decision. She doesn't have the constitutional right they all claim. The State is still involved in the issue and also has a right in the issue.

BTW, the State is the public's representatives. That means the PEOPLE have a right to speak on the issue of HER pregnancy.

Knowingly getting pregnant and then purposely having an abortion is tantamount to murder.
So what's the man's crime? Aiding and abetting a felony? How about conspiracy to commit murder?

I'd rather she kept her legs closed
See, statements like this lead people to believe anti-abortionists are not so much interested in saving fetuses as controlling women.

"does 'goatman" confirm you are the redneck offspring of a goat and a man??

#31 | Posted by NerfHerder"

If this woman and Mama Duggar meet and touch, I think there would be a blinding flash of pure energy that would annihilate both.

Knowingly getting pregnant and then purposely having an abortion is tantamount to murder.
So what's the man's crime? Aiding and abetting a felony? How about conspiracy to commit murder?

If getting pregnant was done legally, proving aiding and abetting can be.

Did he drive her to an abortionist? Did he pay for it? Did he plan it? Did she drive to an out of state hospital to avoid him and her own State's law?

"I'd rather she kept her legs closed"

See, statements like this lead people to believe anti-abortionists are not so much interested in saving fetuses as controlling women.

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2009-10-14 06:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

Only stupid people trying to score political points.

It's a statement about personal responsibility. Sex has consequences, from STDs to pregnancy. If you are not going to take personal responsibility for those consequences, then you should keep you legs closed.

If you are not going to take personal responsibility for those consequences, then you should keep you legs closed.

Opting to terminate a pregnancy is taking personal responsibility, Vernon.

Libs love abortion. They should be praising this woman and giving her some awards. If she had done some late term abortions like 3 seconds before birth then libs would be cheering.

Well-- the claimant woman was trying to commit fraud by alleging the insured had (her brother) hit her on the sidewalk in San Francisco while driving his 'Moped' and causing her to have a miscarriage.

Find out through the medical records that:

1) Her listed 'Next of Kin'--was the insured.

2) She had 25 abortions and 5 live births.

She cried during her deposition and 'unable' to answer any questions.

The company would not pay any money and the attorney dropped her as a client.

25 abortions--and that is reproductive rights ??

Opting to terminate a pregnancy is taking personal responsibility, Vernon.

#58 | Posted by snoofy

15 or 125 friggin times Snoopy???

Where is the line of personal responsibility Snoopy??

this woman is a jackass.

this is just bizarre.

of course she is no less INSANE than the guy who went and shot the abortion doc.

but the existance of Bat shit crazy people does not mean that the practice should be banned to keep them from doing crazy things.

the argument, Criminals will get guns even if they are banned, works the same for this woman.

If abortions were illegal, she would have found some other way to carry out her crazy.

but the existance of Bat shit crazy people does not mean that the practice should be banned to keep them from doing crazy things.

#62 | Posted by Valisk at 2009-10-14 10:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

Did anyone on this thread say this particular situation is a call to outlaw all abortions?

I don't think so.

Seems some people are mighty touchy about the subject. Deep down you know it's wrong, and so any discussion of abortion makes you automatically go to extremes.

Where is the line of personal responsibility Snoopy??

Obviously this woman is an aberration. 25 abortions is not the norm.

The exact number of abortions people wish to have is: zero. But sadly, sometimes it doesn't work out that way.

but the existance of Bat shit crazy people does not mean that the practice should be banned to keep them from doing crazy things.

Exactly. That's the logic the anti-abortionists apply to their beloved guns, and it works here too.

Every now and again a crazy parent develops Munchausen Syndrome by proxy and induces illness or death in their child to elicit sympathy. That doesn't mean we should expect that to happen all the time. Though now that I think of it, that does sound a lot like the way Sarah Palin has raised her children...

Religion causes normal people to go nuckin' futz.

Religion causes normal people to go nuckin' futz.

This woman is the third generation of her family with severe mental health issues. Her grandmother attacked Congress with a gun and her mother killed herself by jumping out of a moving car. Now she's either had 15 abortions or is making a false claim to get attention. In any case, to me it's more of a mental health story than one for scoring points about abortion.
That's one hell of a book cover design, though.

#22 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2009

Rcade, sounds like an argument made for eugenics

I went back to my mother

I said "I'm crazy Ma! Help me!"

She said "I know how it feels son

cause it runs in the family."

Can You See the Real Me?
Pete Townshend

sounds like an argument made for eugenics

Well then I guess it's fitting she had all those abortions.

"Every now and again a crazy parent develops Munchausen Syndrome by proxy and induces illness or death in their child to elicit sympathy"

Interesting premise Snoofy-do.

So is this symptomatic of something common with women who end up with multiple abortions throughout their lives

It does puzzle me with the abundance of birth control available that there are still women out there who even end up with multiple abortions

Irene Vilar said she had the abortions not from poverty or fear but as an extraordinary act of rebellion against her 'controlling' husband who did not want children.

EXCUSE ME, can someone help me out?

HOW did this lady think she was 'rebelling' against her husband by getting the abortions?

If he didn't want kids....and she kept having abortions......in my book, HE WON!! Hardly a 'rebel'.

I put money on it that this woman is just pumping up interest in her new book. Say something outragious, do something crazy, act like a loon and viola' best sellers list...

And, though I agree that men get the shaft when it comes to reproductive legislation, it's either her body or it's not. And, the rights of a potential life should never trump the rights of an actual living being...

Besides given that there are approximately 1,000,000 abortions/year, and that to raise a child it costs approximately $5,000/year (being conservative). The average cost of raising all of those unwanted fetuses after eighteen years would be $90 billion/year. Where will we get the money for this? Hell we can't even provide healthcare for Americans that are taxpaying productive citizens...

This is one fucked up chick.

Sad, sad story.

Here's hoping that this foetocidal nutjob doesn't end up becoming a media-driven celebutard du jour over the next few months cos that'd purely suck.

Is Anna Nicole still dead, Wolf?

Be Well.

All the carnage could have been avoided if the bitch had been serious about her first suicide attempt.

#13 | Posted by fwthom

onward christian soldier!

I wouldn't have an abortion under any circumstance.

#40 | Posted by Lisa at

even if you were impregnated by satan?

So the "father" has no decision in the matter but becomes financially responsible if the baby is carried to term? Yep - there's liberal logic for ya.

Don't get me wrong, the "father" should have financial as well as parental responsibilities - the woman should not have the only voice in carrying the baby to term - she made her choice to share that decision when she allowed something other than her own body to be inside of her. (rape and incest not withstanding for the previous statement)

#45 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

the father had a choice, its called keeping it in your pants

whore

#50 | Posted by gotchamedia

for having sex with her husband?

You sound jealous.

Abortion seems to be a method of birth control for her. I think she needs to be aborted as she adds nothing to life.

"Irene Vilar said she had the abortions not from poverty or fear but as an extraordinary act of rebellion against her 'controlling' husband who did not want children. "

#72 | Posted by COMMONSENSE

Then, charge the doctor with medical malpractice.

Obviously, if this was the reason for the abortion, then there was no medical judgment involved. The State's rights may have been compromised and under R v W, they can pursue the doctor.

Poverty and fear are not medical reasons for abortion.

Most doctors that perform abortions do not have licenses to practice psychology. The issue of fear would have had to be proven to be a great issue, determined by a licensed professional, to raise her fear as a medical judgment necessary to have an abortion.

"Irene Vilar said she had the abortions not from poverty or fear but as an extraordinary act of rebellion against her 'controlling' husband who did not want children. "

How was it an act of rebellion if he did not want kids? If she had the kids wouldn't it have been more rebellious?

"I'd rather she kept her legs closed"

File that with other asinine observations and Wishful Thinking like "Democracy Brings Peace" and "Fifty Years to Judge"

Shit, while you're at it, why don't you just demand human nature be abolished altogether!?

She should be Publicly Stoned and Promptly Shot.

Sincerely

Talinanc

Those kids would have been perfectly fine being Wards of the State (doink)!

But Don't Raise my Taxes!

Sincerely

The Party of the Perpetually Scared and Stupid

Those kids would have been perfectly fine being Wards of the State (doink)!

But Don't Raise my Taxes!

Sincerely

The Party of the Perpetually Scared and Stupid

#85 | Posted by Redneckville

Turned out ok for young Dick Grayson! he even got a cool cape out of the deal.

so I went right to the end of the thread..

so how many libs here want to give her an award for killing the most innocent lives?

nah old dubya has her beat by several orders of magnitude

Fifteen abortions, like 15 tonsillectomies, sounds like a bit much, and probably reflects a personality disorder. It's not merely a "liberal" prejudice to suggests other steps to stave off an unwanted offspring. Since The Pill is so available even when hubby hates condoms, one must think that 15 reflect deeper problems. herm

Applaud, applaud! Needle in the head of an 8 month old being sucked into a tub, but let's not twist a terrorist's arm. Backward ass country.
Libs suck! FU!!!!

She must be a good lay though!

so why doesnt obama come out against the drs doing this like he did the ones who take off feet and other things for the money...

OH I KNOW..

the left is run by george soros and he wont let him

nevermind

Applaud, applaud! Needle in the head of an 8 month old being sucked into a tub, but let's not twist a terrorist's arm. Backward ass country.
Libs suck! FU!!!!

#90 | Posted by tennisnut

I too like to make up ridiculous stories about stuff that never happens and pretend its a common occurence to support my side! How can you vote for the GOP after they admitted they only oppose abortions so they can continue to eat unwanted babies? See! Isn't this fun!?

Also...you can't even suck an 8 month old into a tube... Atleast mine is physically possible.

This women is unstable and needs mental help. Which is why she is a perfect poster child for the left. Cindy Sheehan has nothing on this bitch.
Best thing to do at this point is to take away her 2 children she has and put them into a home that has a stable mother. Can you imagine being one of her children and having to defend her actions to your friends and every talk show host out there?

This women is unstable and needs mental help. Which is why she is a perfect poster child for the left. Cindy Sheehan has nothing on this bitch.
Best thing to do at this point is to take away her 2 children she has and put them into a home that has a stable mother. Can you imagine being one of her children and having to defend her actions to your friends and every talk show host out there?

#94 | Posted by WI_Hunter

Ten points for arrogance and hubris! I'm impressed. You not only clinically diagnosing a woman's past mental state but identifying its continuing pattern in her life absent any evidence whatsoever and in fact evidence quite to the contrary? That's damn impressive. You must be a psychic...or an idiot. One of the two.

Did she have serious issues at one point? Probably. Does she seem to have gotten over them and living in a stable life doing better than most families in the country? Sounds like it, but obviously can't be sure. Are you kind of an idiot for assuming you know the entire situation? Definitely. Are you really stupid for trying to make this a political issue? Absolutely no question. Do I wonder if you in fact have a mental disease; perhaps dellusions of grandeur, general paranoia, or a little schizophrenia? Damn right, I do.

She did it out of spite for her husband - as opposed to a more sane course of action such as divorce - or not getting married at 16.

#2 | POSTED BY ELCIDCE90 AT 2009-10-14 10:53 AM

Actually, she got pregnant out of spite for her husband's controlling behavior which included NOT wanting children.....

She then said she had the abortions to keep him from leaving her.

She didn't say whether he knew of or demanded the abortions.

But don't let your facts get in the way of a good story....

Hunter,

Who did gold star mother Cindy Sheehan kill?

Wasn't she the woman opposed to killing?

Fairly pathetic of you to pick on the mother of one of our fallen troops, imho.

What noble cause are you claiming for doing so?

let's review the comments on this thread about abortion

Elcid says: abstinence
Chapel says: Obammy
Ex says: she didn't read the article about how it was the father who didn't want children
Lisa says: Just say no, I would.
Eb says: Tie her tubes
Uranus says: It's all about the money
FW says: suicide is good
Gotcha says: whore
Tenn says: Torture yay, Abortion nay
AFK says: george soros
Hunter says: cindy sheehan

My comment is:

Was she Catholic? I didn't see the answer to that in the article. Unlike a lot of the posters, I did read the article and understood that she was getting preganant to dis her controlling husband with the one thing in life SHE could control......

Woke: Are you ever going to man up and tell us why you lie so much? If you aren't, just say so and I'll quit asking.

Thanks for the summary Woke.

Not sure why you went to the trouble since we all can read for ourselves.

However, I DID read the article and actually quoted her.

What would it matter if she were catholic or not?

I just don't get you.

I don't "get" you either Lisa.

You said no abortion for any reason so I have to ask, not even to save your own life?

How is having abortions rellious against her husband? He didn't want children???
She later states that she was afraid he would leave her if she were pregnant.
She contradicted herself a few times in the article.
Maybe Rcade is right...she sure sounds unstable to me!

#34 | POSTED BY LISA AT 2009-10-14 04:28 PM

Sounds like you read it but didn't understand the woman's situation.

She was in a marriage with a controlliing husband, who did not want children.

She got pregnant as a way to get back at his dominance, which was perhaps the ONLY thing she could control in her life.,

She then had abortions to "keep" the man.

Didn't say whether he demanded them or not.

So, imho, your contention that this is some kind of father's rights issue is not really verifiable until he can be reached for comment, or she provides more info.

You seem to be very understanding of the male pov regarding this....

The Catholic question is related to hearing that a higher percentage of Catholics get abortions than some other religions.

Just a little quirk of mine about those who throw stones at others, shouldn't live in glass houses.

Woke:

Please do not imply that I lack reading comprehension.

I understand what she did. And I understand how sick she is. And I further understand that the abortions she had, fed right into his controlling hands.

He didn't want children.

Furthermore, why would a woman who was fearful her husband would leave her, deliberately get pregnant to anger him???

None of her reasonings make sense.

As far as me understanding a man's POV...I try to be open minded and fair. I think it's extremely unfair that a man has no say so over his own child.

Does that bother you??

As far as catholics go...that would just be the tip of the iceburg!

Perhaps it doesn't make sense to you because you aren't her?

Reading something about oppression and domestic control syndrome and how it affects entire families might be helpful to further your compassion.

I haven't read the book. Probably won't.

I agree this woman needed help. Maybe she got it?

Do you see the obvious flaw in arguing about father's rights, when the situation was that the "father" didn't want kids?

As I said tho, he has not been reached for comment.

I believe that if a "father" wants to be involved in his child's life, it is very possible to do so. Maybe if those who feel so victimized would put some of that "action" toward collecting the large % of child support that goes unpaid, it would help that cause also.

As having been divorced, and marrying someone else who was divorced (together 20 now), i have been on several sides of this issue. I paid child support willingly thru college for my son, tho I could have stopped when he became 18. Alternatively, I have known people who went to court over 20 times and over a period of 8 years just to get a first payment. And are still awaitiing payment in arrears of thousands of dollars. And they don't have a choice about providing the food and necessities of life, as a non custodial parent does. Understand?

I don't know, it just seems to me that the focus must stay on the children and because of that>>also the mothers (or fathers, or grandparents) who actually have custody and do all the direct care day and night, day after day and keep body and soul together, so to speak, for the children.

Didn't mean to infer anything about your comprehension at all, but perhaps your lack of understanding another woman's predicament. Happens to me all the time.

All due respect

It does puzzle me with the abundance of birth control available that there are still women out there who even end up with multiple abortions

Yes, I'm sure there are many things about women which will continue to puzzle and mystify you.

I think it's extremely unfair that a man has no say so over his own child.

It may be unfair in the sense of "hurting someone's feelings" but it's the most reasonable scenario.

Rapists are fathers too. Is it unfair to them when the fetuses they create get aborted?

Consider sperm a "gift." Once you give someone a gift, it's not up to you to tell them what to do with it. I mean, it might "hurt your feelings" if she decides she doesn't want it, but that's not really anyone else's call.

This poor woman (and her husband and some of the comments on this board) reflect how sick this society has become. It's pretty evident why this country is in the process of imploding. I believe animals are higher on the evolution charts then humans even though they supposedly can't reason-- at least the vast majority of their sub-sets don't destroy their young but defend and protect them.

Do you have any data that indicates that a vast majority of humans also destroy their young?

let's see it.

don't like abortion?

don't have one, eh?

Read my comment more carefully before you frame your innane questions, eh?

Mat,
But at least we don't eat our own, or kill our neighbor's because they may stop our offspring from reproducing. We kill our young after thought, rather than instinct or reflex. Not really any better, but hardly worse.

Kanrei, thanks for your comment. When you say "not really any better, but hardly worse" it would then logically place humans as no better or worse than an animal. My comment is that it is well known that it is extremely (if ever) rare for the various species of animals to ever kill their young. A male lion may attempt to kill cubs fostered by another lion in order to breed his own progeny with that particular lioness-- what is interesting is that lioness will fight to the death to protect her young.

It's pretty evident why this country is in the process of imploding. I believe animals are higher on the evolution charts then humans even though they supposedly can't reason-- at least the vast majority of their sub-sets don't destroy their young but defend and protect them.

#106 | POSTED BY MATSOP AT 2009-10-16 08:17 AM

Ok, reread it.

Nattering nabob of negativity eh?

I just asked you to prove your assertion that the "vast majority of humans destroy their young"

Can't do it can ya?

When you say "not really any better, but hardly worse" it would then logically place humans as no better or worse than an animal.

We are an animal; no better or worse. We are vain and, because we think and have no way to communicate with other animals tend to believe we are the only ones that do, but the simple fact is that we are just another species of animal walking about this planet

I say rip her uterus out and be done with it. As far as the abortion argument no one will win it.

I say rip her uterus out and be done with it. As far as the abortion argument no one will win it.

#114 | Posted by tennisnut at 2009-10-16 11:35 AM | Reply | Flag

I say mind your own business. No one was hurt by her actions, except herself.

what is interesting is that lioness will fight to the death to protect her young.

#110 | Posted by matsop at 2009-10-16 10:08 AM | Reply | Flag

No, the lioness does not do that. She may initially hide her young, but she does not fight the new male. If the old male was defeated in battle, she wants the strongest offspring. If the female fought a male lion to the death, there wouldn't be many lions around.

Christ, the inside of her uterus must look like linguine.

"Irene Vilar said she had the abortions not from poverty or fear but as an extraordinary act of rebellion against her 'controlling' husband who did not want children. "

#72 | Posted by COMMONSENSE

Then, charge the doctor with medical malpractice.

Obviously, if this was the reason for the abortion, then there was no medical judgment involved. The State's rights may have been compromised and under R v W, they can pursue the doctor.

#80 | Posted by Petrous at 2009-10-15 07:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

My point was that having abortions because your husband doesn't want kids isn't really 'rebelling' at all. It's more like caving-in.

"Irene Vilar said she had the abortions not from poverty or fear but as an extraordinary act of rebellion against her 'controlling' husband who did not want children. "

Then why doesn't the idiot get fixed? Or use protection or birth control.

So good of Wookee to point to 12 species that eat/kill their young.

Not sure about "vast majority of humans destroy their young".

But there have been 40 million plus abortions since 1973--just in this country.

"But there have been 40 million plus abortions since 1973--just in this country."

Can even the most destructive fetal rightist imagine an America with 40 million more people than those we already cannot employ, feed, house or medically care for? How many million would Murphy adopt? herm