Good news!

she means when RHOM calls,....

hopefully the people of her state will make her pay for her complicity in this attack on american freedoms and liberty

but here is a question for her

JUST WHAT IS SHE voting for...since its not all there yet...and wont be until a 'backroom' session is over fucking us even more...

maybe she AND PEOPLE HER should read brooks when HE WRITES LIKE A CONSERVATIVE instead of a liberal suckass like most of the time

he called for wydens plan because it had 'real choice'
you are assured of staying with what you have
you can take the money from your employer and shop around
if you cant get insurance, there is a subsidy available

BUT business and unions went beserk over the WYDEN PLAN

ACCORDING TO DAVID BROOKS

who also called THIS PLAN

one that will retard innovation
and centralizes power and control

ACCORDING TO Llbs favorite conservative DAVID BROOKS

"maybe she AND PEOPLE HER...."

WTF??

Is this another RINO as you call them?

Nice to hear something sensible come out of the mouth of a Republican regarding Healthcare. I am thinking it is a first.

Congrats Olympia! You don't sound like a crying fucking child like the others in the GOP.

STUPID BITCH!

Don't you Libtards go and start shooting miniwads over this, this doesn't mean you get your wallet card with a lifetime of free healthcare even though you don't work. She WILL NOT support a public option and this would only get it out of committee. The bill still has a long way to go as she has said.

Why aren't we just doing this through reconciliation?

AKFLAB-BABBLE -- you seem to think you know everything about everything, why don't you tell us what she is voting for.

"She WILL NOT support a public option"

Which is why we libs are calling this repudiation of our mandate to Congress a Snowe job.

"hopefully the people of her state will make her pay for her complicity in this attack on american freedoms and liberty"

The people of her state are encouraging her to vote yes on the Baucus bill while the REpublican Senate leadership is holding Sen. Kay Baily Hutchinson's present position of Ranking Member on the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation. It is likely that her vote will prevent her from getting that position.

mandate to Congress....

#10 | Posted by MaryTylerWhore

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

your hero didn't get very far with that one.

"Don't you Libtards go and start shooting miniwads over this, this doesn't mean you get your wallet card with a lifetime of free healthcare even though you don't work. "

Shouldn't you be working now, I thought it as only libs who weren't working....what a douche bag!!

LM

Bitch.

"Why aren't we just doing this through reconciliation?"

This is just the Senate bill, then it will have to be "reconciled" with the House bill and that is when the Public Option can be reinserted. Probably then Snowe and Baucus will not vote for it and "reconciliation" would be the only way to pass it. There is one other way, that is to treaten chairmanships of any Dems who vote against cloture when the Rethugs filibuster, then Baucus and other blue dogs wouldn't have to vote for the bill but they would have to help end a filibuster or face losing their chairmanships of any committees they may be on.

#2 | Posted by afkabl2: hopefully the people of her state will make her pay

Poll after poll show that Americans want health care reform. The people will reward her for thinking of what they want, not what insurance companies want.

#13 Lunch Break

-It is likely that her vote will prevent her from getting that position.

Yeppers. She was threatened that she could forget about that plum position if she voted with Dems.

A little crack in the ice, after Bob Dole, Ahnold!, Tommy Thompson, Bill Frist came out and said they would also support health care now.

Funny how there are more RINOs than Rs these days, eh?

This Bill is a big step forwards... at least procedurally, even if it is a sham of a Bill.

Baby steps. Now there has to be support for a public plan on the floor of the Senate which, should have gathered steam since yesterday when the insurance industry made it clear that average people were not punished enough for them in this Bill.

A public plan is even more obviously needed today after the industry says they will raise rates no matter what.

Atta girl Danni. Support the democratic agenda through terror and force. Threaten your way to what you want. Please remember that 2010 is just around the corner. Isn't it nice that this is such a good policy that dems have to threaten other dems just to keep it alive?

#18 | Posted by Corky: A public plan is even more obviously needed today after the industry says they will raise rates no matter what.

Agreed. The insurance companies could not have made it any clearer. Public option is the only way our health care system can work long term.

This is great news. Now Obama! can say it passed with bipartisan support.

Gobama! Go Snowe!

#20

Yeah, I think their little hissy fit yesterday will push the Sens to realize that the industry will do whatever they want unless they have real competition, including an 11th hour backstabbing, and even Dem Sens are not going to be smiling about that.

"Is this bill all that I want? Far from it," Ms. Snowe declared. "Is it all that it can be? Far from it. But when history calls, history calls."

Flag: Most vague explanation for supporting anything, ever.

#21 | Posted by rightisright at 2009-10-13 01:19 PM | Reply | Flag: Enjoys insurance execs rescinding policies to get bonuses

"Atta girl Danni. Support the democratic agenda through terror and force."

You mean just like Republicans???
Millions of people need health care reform and you think we shouldn't use the tools at our disposal to move it through Congress???
It would be more unethical to let a few Dems prevent reform by not voting for cloture than it would be to just let health care reform fail and all Americans lose the potential benefits and savings that it could bring.

Social Security was nothing like it is today when it was first passed.
Many things we have today started out as far less than they are today.
Measure the benefit it will bring by the amount of cash the insurance industry is willing to spend to fight it.

"You mean just like Republicans???"

Maybe that is what he meant. Are you proud of being just like them?

honest question here... How do insurance companies do in comparison to other industries? I'm wondering if the investment money will pull out if dividends decrease with a public option.

-How do insurance companies do in comparison to other industries?

About 25 t0 30 percent rate increases each year for the last 10 years, with a corresponding 400+ percent profitability.

-I'm wondering if the investment money will pull out if dividends decrease with a public option.

Hopefully it will either make them competitive and fair, or put them out of bidness..... hello single-payer, which is what we should have anyway.

If you had followed her voting record you would have been surprised if she had not. She defines the acronym RINO.

"Are you proud of being just like them?"

In the sense that they accomplished much of their agenda???? Yes. Damn straight.

"She defines the acronym RINO."

She really is just a typical Republican as they were before the party was taken over by the extreme right.

"In the sense that they accomplished much of their agenda?"

No. In the sense that you used the term "just like republicans" above. Try to stay on topic.

"She really is just a typical Republican as they were before the party was taken over by the extreme right."

That's true. What passes for a typical Republican now days is a raving, drooling, paranoid maniac. Any time that party wants to split into two, the nutcase Palin party, and the not-totally-bat-shit-crazy party, it won't come too soon.

Hopefully it will either make them competitive and fair, or put them out of bidness..... hello single-payer, which is what we should have anyway.
#29 | Posted by Corky

That, for me, is the silver lining to what I feel is an otherwise questionable public option plan.

It may actually occur that, like Medicare and SS, which got 13 to 17 Repube votes, this plan could get the few remaining moderates and split the GNOP even further.

RINOs now outnumbering Rs, and all.

Threaten your way to what you want. Please

#19 | Posted by A_Citizen at 2009-10-13 01:15 PM | Reply | Fl

Are pretending that the right does not do this too?

Are you pretending

Does it include a Public Option??

This is hilarious stuff. Fucking brilliant commentary, folks. Anyone saying that Snowe will get voted out over this does not know Maine, its people, or Snowe. She is very popular in Maine because she goes out, talks to people, and listens to their desires and their hopes. She is not a straw poller; she actually _talks_ to the people. Perhaps if more politicians did that, we'd have a more perfect union. Afk, you can be as pissed as you want, and you will be, but you know what? Maine ain't Texas. Go figger.

The bill was just approved by the committee votes were 14 to 9.

Why don't we just declare the war against democracy as won by the demoncrats [the dems having successfully killed our once great nation], make all doctors and hospitals gov't property and chain the doctors in the basement when they attempt to quit.

As long as the existing drugs and equipment hold out, and until the current crop of doctors die, everyone can have as much health care as they want, for free.

Of course, when the equipment breaks or we run out of doctors, then the quality of health care will start dropping, survival rates for things like cancers will drop, but who gives a shit? The dems would have won a HUGE victory over democracy, and that is all that really matters.

Canadians can find somewhere else to go for care, as can the rich in the US and other countries, and the Congress, of course, will always have a private plan that is immune to this gang-rape that our medical services will be forced to endure.

Danni says-

"It would be more unethical to let a few Dems prevent reform by not voting for cloture than it would be to just let health care reform fail and all Americans lose the potential benefits and savings that it could bring."

So now the ends justify the means? So I suppose you have dropped your opposition to eavesdropping and torture since it would be immoral not to use the tools at our disposal and "lose the potential benefits and savings that it could bring."

"So I suppose you have dropped your opposition to eavesdropping and torture since it would be immoral not to use the tools at our disposal and "lose the potential benefits and savings that it could bring."

I didn't say they should do things that are unconstitutional or immoral. Using the legitimate tools of Congress though is hardly the same thing as torture.

Citizen, never try to argue logic with people who "feel" what is right. You will never get them to use their god-given brains.

Does it include a Public Option??

Obama promised to post all nonemergency legislation on whitehouse.gov, so you should be able to easily find it there. Let us know how easy it is to get your answer.

"Why don't we just declare the war against democracy as won by the demoncrats [the dems having successfully killed our once great nation], make all doctors and hospitals gov't property and chain the doctors in the basement when they attempt to quit."

and then

"Citizen, never try to argue logic with people who "feel" what is right. You will never get them to use their god-given brains."

Amazing.

Obama promised to post all nonemergency legislation on whitehouse.gov, so you should be able to easily find it there. Let us know how easy it is to get your answer.

#46 | Posted by JOE

If that site doesn't work, try www.bullshitter.com

"Does it include a Public Option??"

No. When it is reconciled with the House bill it may have a public option added to the final bill which then has to be approved by both houses.

"Does it include a Public Option??"

No. When it is reconciled with the House bill it may have a public option added to the final bill which then has to be approved by both houses.

Posted by danni at 2009-10-13 02:56 PM | Reply

That figures. The greedy sad fuckers. Thanks Danni for the information. Appreciate it.

Larry

Danni is correct. They also need to reconcile some pork into it.

"Don't you Libtards go and start shooting miniwads over this, this doesn't mean you get your wallet card with a lifetime of free healthcare even though you don't work. She WILL NOT support a public option and this would only get it out of committee. The bill still has a long way to go as she has said.

#7 | Posted by fishpaw "

What are you complaining about white trash? You probably don't even make enough money to pay taxes. What does JiffyLube pay you $25k a year?

Face it whiny GOPhers, there is going to be a National HealthCare Bill. President Obama will have his grand signing ceremony. This will go down as one of the great legislative accomplishments of the last several decades.

Maine ain't Texas. Go figger.

#40 | Posted by pragmatist at 2009-10-13 02:03 PM | Reply | Flag thank god for texas

"Flag thank god for texas""

Absolutely because Texas is NUMERO UNO in people without health insurance. Way to go Texas!!!! Be proud!!!!

"Absolutely because Texas is NUMERO UNO in people without health insurance. Way to go Texas!!!! Be proud!!!!"

Now that's much better than any response I could have made.

But I wonder what Reinsurelaw has against Maine, or Mainers. Jeebus, if you people keep harping about what Americans want, and those Americans want health care reform, should not their congresspersons vote for health care reform? Or is it really that people who agree with you should get what they want? Oh, I see, you'd just rather skip over the fact that there's a politician who actually engages with constituents.

I mean, really, you can't make this shit up.

And if Texas is such a model for how the country should be run, why don't they secede? Hm? You know, since their budget is perfect and all their children are well educated (you know, since no child was left behind), the state should be able to run as a republic by itself.

Let it Snowe! Let it Snowe! Let it Snowe!

hopefully the people of her state will make her pay for her complicity in this attack on american freedoms and liberty

but here is a question for her

JUST WHAT IS SHE voting for...since its not all there yet...and wont be until a 'backroom' session is over fucking us even more...

#2 | Posted by afkabl2

Noooo ... nothing paranoid about this guy at all.

Looks like the bill just passed in the senate finance committee. Yoohoo! It's still got a few hurdles to jump, but the odds the pubbies were betting on just got reversed. The tide is turning in other ways too. Haven't heard a word from the tea baggers since their embarrassing show in Washington. The mouthy prick from NC has finely been forgotten and Obama is sticking it to lobbyists which is making it harder and harder to buy politicians with no morals.

If Obama get's this through and I think he will, the republican party will be a dinosaur by the next election, if they aren't already.

I am sure that something will pass, and that Obama will make a big deal of signing it.

At best, it will harm the country greatly. More likely, it will be the final nail in the coffin of this once great nation.

Rest in Peace, this great American experiment.

Does it include a Public Option?

You can answer that yourself.

The plan is projected to extend coverage to an additional 29 million Americans.

The committee's bill would subsidize insurance for poorer Americans, establish nonprofit health care cooperatives and create health insurance exchanges to make it easier for small groups and individuals to purchase coverage.

Among other things, it would cap annual out-of-pocket expenses and prevent insurance companies from denying coverage for pre-existing conditions.

What do you geniuses thing 'subsidize insurance for poorer Americans' means?

Of course there will be a public option. The left will just re-word it to fool the ignorant right.

More likely, it will be the final nail in the coffin of this once great nation.

...more likely the nails in the coffin for the once great health insurance cartel based on greed.

"More likely, it will be the final nail in the coffin of this once great nation."

I swear, the drama these right wingers attach to things like health care reform....it just gets to the point of ridiculousness. Their anger provokes laughter. When they make so many wild accusations and predict such dire consequences which never arrive they just become silly.

This will go down as one of the great legislative accomplishments of the last several decades.

#53 | Posted by moder8

Moder8,

I suspect that this will go down in the same way Dred Scott or Plessy v. Ferguson were described as "great legal accomplishments of the US Supreme Court" Given time, the Obamacare bill will be viewed with the same reverence.

Glenn Becks about to have his head EXPLODE!

LOVE it!!!!

This is not health care reform. There is no way this will make the system better. It is health care takeover. It is a consolidation of power. It is an attempt to push the number of no-tax-paying-scum over 50% so that the asshats in congress can get re-elected.

In the words of Frankin, "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."

About 25 t0 30 percent rate increases each year for the last 10 years, with a corresponding 400+ percent profitability.

#29 | Posted by Corky

* * * *

Total lies. This is how these things pass, boys and girls--libbies hiding behind anonymous screen names to post total fabrications.

Despicable. If they were honest, they would have no chance whatsoever.

Total lies. This is how these things pass, boys and girls--libbies hiding behind anonymous screen names to post total fabrications.

Despicable. If they were honest, they would have no chance whatsoever.

...he says as he hides behind his screen name.

The plan is projected to extend coverage to an additional 29 million Americans.

I guess those other 16 million are fucked? Brilliant plan. I guess $800 billion is easier to swallow than the trillion plus needed to cover EVERYONE. Great job dems.

BTW... Is this the same plan endorsed by the Insurance Executives who were invited guests to the White House? Whoops I guess not....

WASHINGTON -- Democrats are poised Tuesday to push health-overhaul legislation through the influential Senate Finance Committee, but they face new hurdles from insurers ratcheting up concerns about the sweeping bill.

The Senate Finance Committee is expected to pass key legislation in the U.S. health bill today. But it will be important to watch for signs of doubt among Democrats, WSJ's Jerry Seib says. Plus, insurers begin to push back.
.
A report released Monday by America's Health Insurance Plans, an industry trade group, said the Finance Committee bill would impose stiff costs on consumers. Among other things, the report said a family health-insurance policy that costs $12,300 today would increase to $25,900 on average by 2019 under the bill, more than under current law.

...he says as he hides behind his screen name.

#68 | Posted by RingMaster
* * * *

Plenty of people on here know who I really am. As usual, though, your comments are pointed at the righties who actually know a fact or two.

Your libtards heroes in Washington are lying to you, every day. And you don't care, because they have a (D) after their names. And that goes double for your libtards pals on the DR. Lying turds, all.

Let me know when you decide to stop being part of the problem.

Let me know when you decide to stop being part of the problem.

#70 | Posted by rightisright

It's rtard leeches that don't want to pay the bills for their pet projects like optional wars that are the problem.

"A report released Monday by America's Health Insurance Plans, an industry trade group, said the Finance Committee bill would impose stiff costs on consumers. Among other things, the report said a family health-insurance policy that costs $12,300 today would increase to $25,900 on average by 2019 under the bill, more than under current law."

In other words, they're gonna fuck us over if any reform is put forth? Nice, real nice. (Okay, so I don't know what it really said, but "industry trade group" speaks volumes.) Kinda argues for gov't takeover. Or some serious fucking regulation of the industry. I find it interesting that there's been no talk about Sweden's system.

I find it interesting that there's been no talk about Sweden's system.

#72 | Posted by pragmatist at 2009-10-13 04:45 PM

I believe EVERYONE is signed up from birth. How would that concept work here? Put 300 million on the same plan?

A report released Monday by America's Health Insurance Plans, an industry trade group...

Woahoaa! Stop right there. First give us all one sound reason why anyone should listen to the same people who created the mess? Do think everyone here is that stupid?

Well, OK, aside from the right wing nut cases?

More likely, it will be the final nail in the coffin of this once great nation.

#60 | Posted by 1libertarian

I'm curious. Just so we're all on the same page, why don't you define the period that you believe the U.S. was a "once great nation". That should make for some interesting debate, since the opinions of when the U.S. was a "once great nation" will vary widely, depending upon ideology.

An explanation of why you thought a particular period was better for this nation would also be helpful.

I believe EVERYONE is signed up from birth. How would that concept work here?

The first thing the righties would push for is kicking every person out of the country who's parents were from a foreign country. The right believes that millions of America's natural born citizens don't deserve a country to call their own.

Put 300 million on the same plan?

#73 | Posted by crispee_oc

That's exactly the kind of reform we should be getting. Since that's not what we're going to get, it will probably be worse than what we had. Something designed for the critics to point too as a failure. Sort of like purposefully ruining our education system, so they can complain bitterly about how bad it is.

It's rtard leeches that don't want to pay the bills for their pet projects like optional wars that are the problem.

#71 | Posted by nullifidian

Nulli-

So your solution is make those "leeches" pay for your health care?

Please tell me how my opposition to being taxed to pay for YOUR health care is causing the problem of not paying for the two wars we are fighting? I have no problem paying my tax dollars to support such worthy efforts. I have a serious problem with my money being stolen from me to benefit someone that is too damned lazy or stupid to pay for the things that they want. I have a greater problem when my tax dollars are being used to destroy the thing that I am already paying for.

I have a serious problem with my money being stolen from me to benefit someone that is too damned lazy or stupid to pay for the things that they want.

Now, people that are disabled or have pre-existing conditions are 'too damned lazy or stupid'.

Spoken like a true fellow American. Make that true Christian fellow American.

I already pay for the disabled...nice try though. If they are truly disabled they get Medicaid, SSI, and or medicare. As for the "pre-existing condition...tell me again why having a pre-existing entitles you to a dollar of my money?

In some ways, we are a better nation today then any time in the past. This is the area of equal rights, life expectancy, infant mortality, etc. However, when people looked to the gov't as the source of the chicken in every pot, on through the current WAAAA generation that feel ENTITLED to everything "free", viagra and unlimited health care, etc. all on someone else's dime.

When my grandparents worked for years to pay off a house, and when they died were able to pass it on to one of their children without debt. Now, we have reverse mortgages so people can leave nothing to their children.

When I was a child, and it was safe to walk to and from school, and mom's biggest worry if you were gone all day was if you would tear your pants or loose your jacket. When 6 yr old kids weren't put in juvie for 45 days for bringing a spork to school.

When people have a right to pursue happiness, and could win or loose and then pick themselves up and try again, instead of waiting around for happiness stamps to be delivered on the 3rd of the month. When drugs were used to treat problems, not escape them.

Back when the constitution wasn't treated like toilet paper, and to do something silly like prohibition, the constitution was actually amended instead of just ignored.

When 40%+ children weren't born out of wedlock. When a child had 2 parents and a family could survive and be middle class on a single income.

Woahoaa! Stop right there. First give us all one sound reason why anyone should listen to the same people who created the mess? Do think everyone here is that stupid?

Well, OK, aside from the right wing nut cases?

#75 | Posted by RingMaster at 2009-10-13 04:56 PM

Only those that are stupid or ignorant to know these were the secret invited guests of Obama to the WH for their health Summitt. Guess you didn't know that?

If it was a secret how do you know about it crispy?

At any rate, Obama is no fool. He knows how to wade through the bull shit too.

tell me again why having a pre-existing entitles you to a dollar of my money?

#81 | Posted by A_Citizen

They need it more than you do.

#84...

Gee I don't know... Maybe because the WH released the names after being pressured? I guess you were watching a Springer Marathon when that news broke...

Duh... Tell me about the rabbits George...Duh.... Why should anyone believe these guys...Duh...

Libertarian -

People married before having kids? The Constitution meant something? People OWNED property? People were RESPONSIBLE for themselves and actually WORKED to improve their own conditions?

What country are you from...it sounds nice. I may need to look in to immigrating there. Do they have open borders? Do they have a national language or culture that they hold out as theirs?

I used to know of a country like that. It committed suicide last year. It was killed by an overdose of "gimmee" people that needed to be taken care of and were willing to sacrifice other peoples rights and liberties to get the things that they wanted. They found that the majority can take from the minority and therefore needs not to work to better themselves or be responsible. They determined that it was better to write laws and create programs that encouraged irresponsibility and rewarded sloth. They did that be demonizing the minority as being "leeches" or "selfish" or "thugs" for not wanting to give up the things they individually earned for the community.

I recall another world leader that got a head and amassed power once by demonizing a group of people that had worked hard, amassed wealth and knowledge, even in the midst of a down turn. As I recall he gave some good speeches that convinced his supporters that those people were anti-country. As I recall he lead that country into the dumpster.

Jackass,

Where in the Constitution does the government have the power to take property from me because an INDIVIDUAL "needs it more than I do?"

Come to think of it...Ted Kennedy who was a lot wealthier than I am had a pre-existing condition (actually several of them). Does he need my money more than I do? Where is the line?

Why the fuck does she even pretend to be a republican anymore?

Yes for health care, yes for the stimulus: what next? Yes for cap and tax?

Hope all the bed-wetters are happy. It was the greatest 233 year experiment ever!!!

Hopefully the final bill will not contain the "public option" and the house will not pass it!!!

"I believe EVERYONE is signed up from birth. How would that concept work here? Put 300 million on the same plan?"

I was talking about the regulation/private enterprise combination. Is that not Sweden? Maybe I'm confusing my models.

"Why the fuck does she even pretend to be a republican anymore?"

Because she's a REPUBLICAN, not a NEOCON. Not a reactionary. A real conservative. And because she _listens_ to her constituents.

#88 | Posted by A_Citizen

I guess you don't understand?!?

There is no line for these people, you don't deserve ANYTHING you have/make/produce.

You are evil because you don't need the gov't to take care of you. As a matter of fact, you should be ashamed that you are self sufficent. You have too much and I deserve some of what you have.

Why you ask? Because I am "less fortunate" than you, not because I have done/contributed less than you. Shame on you for trying to do your best and taking care of your own!!! Shame on you for succeding, it's your own fault. In the new world order, you are the loser.

#90 | Posted by pragmatist

Hey dumb ass, if you actully listened to her comments, she stated that she voted for this plan even though SHE AND HER CONSTITUENTS had serious reservations.

You fucking bed-wetters make me sick!!! All reaction, NO thought!!!

If Obama get's this through and I think he will, the republican party will be a dinosaur by the next election, if they aren't already.

#59 | Posted by RingMaster

Take a look around, Ringmastersaurus. The polls aren't exactly going up these days for the Majority Party in Power.

#59 | Posted by RingMaster

If this passes, when the sheep figure out what was done to them, it will be a long road to hoe for the dems. It's a year away, and the lib's are already shitting themselves.

...Ringmastersaurus.

#93 | Posted by wisgod

That's a good'n

That's a good'n

#95 | Posted by seedeez2

He's another in a long line of down trodden, lazy bastards who have want everyone else to pay for their meager existance by taxing those who succeed in spite of the Federal Goverment.

#96 | Posted by wisgod

Yeah, I'm gonna start living the good life too.

Hope all you guys make plenty of money, cuz tomorrow, I'm quiting my job and going to get me and my family some Obama money!!

I thank you in advance for all your hard work and effort and I can't wait till your tax rate hits 65-70%, cuz then I will really be livin the good life!!!

So... What about the other 20 million still not covered if this brilliant legislation passes?

I thank you in advance for all your hard work and effort and I can't wait till your tax rate hits 65-70%, cuz then I will really be livin the good life!!!

#97 | Posted by seedeez2

You can supplement your income. ACORN has openings for tire slashers and Cigarette Distributers.

Damn it, I forgot!!

I am a white male, there is no way I can be avictim, right?

#99 | Posted by wisgod

Where can I down load an application?

So... What about the other 20 million still not covered if this brilliant legislation passes?

#98 | Posted by crispee_oc

Did they remove provisions for free abortions?

Where can I down load an application?

#101 | Posted by seedeez2

www.aclu.com.

#98 | Posted by crispee_oc

Stop being so negative!! You will get a second & third job that will be taxed 85% to make up the difference.

Don't you want to do your share for the greater good?

My God, stop being so selfish!!!

He's another in a long line of down trodden, lazy bastards who have want everyone else to pay for their meager existance by taxing those who succeed in spite of the Federal Goverment.

The right wing rhetoric is getting pretty deep again. Can't you lemmings come up with an original cliche?

How do you know this ass wipe? Your mama told you? Do you believe everything you preacher says? Try some original thought someday.

#103 | Posted by wisgod

Interview didn't go so well. Who'da thunk a middle class white guy wouldn't qualify?!?

#105 | Posted by RingMaster

A little testy because you got called out?

How do you know this ass wipe? Your mama told you? Do you believe everything you preacher says? Try some original thought someday.

#105 | Posted by RingMaster

How the would you like me to interpret your entitlement mentality, you fucking putz?

He's just pissed that Mr. Barnum fired him after he got caught fucking the elephants.

...entitlement mentality, you fucking putz?

#108 | Posted by wisgod

Oh silly, silly, wisgod. You are the problem here; see YOU think you are entitled to what you earn/produce. How dare you!?!

YOU think you are entitled to what you earn/produce. How dare you!?!

#110 | Posted by seedeez2

You could have just called me a racist.

#111 | Posted by wisgod

Okay, racist.

"The right wing rhetoric is getting pretty deep again. Can't you lemmings come up with an original cliche?"

OK...

What about the 20 million still not covered under this legislation? Is that original enough?

#113 | Posted by crispee_oc

You and your details!

Just take your "free" health care and be happy.

"YOU think you are entitled to what you earn/produce."

The top federal income tax rate on dividends is 15%.

The top federal income tax rate on sweat-of-the-brow labor is more than double that.

Using those examples, tell us again about how much of what one earns/produces they're allowed to keep.

Can't you lemmings come up with an original cliche?"

How about, "If you hate Obama, you hate America" or anything with the word "Palin"?

Never mind. Those are already taken

"The right wing rhetoric is getting pretty deep again. Can't you lemmings come up with an original cliche?"

Can't you put your hand in your pocket, freeloader?

#115 | Posted by Danforth

So, you are pissed because others have PAID taxes on what they earned and then PAID MORE taxes on what they have invested? Oh yeah, and will PAY MORE TAXES on what they have already been taxed on when they use that money.

Danforth, you are a fucking genius, those "rich" bastards should be taxed over & over & over & over
& over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over...

Do you see where this is going you dumb shit, bed-wetting fuck?

Danforth, my 3 year old isn't using his penis right now, do you want to borrow it? God knows your's is missing.

Danforth, my 3 year old isn't using his penis right now, do you want to borrow it?
Posted by seedeez2

Better send directions, or Danforth will raise a stink and sue.

"So, you are pissed because others have PAID taxes on what they earned and then PAID MORE taxes on what they have invested?"

Are you this ignorant in real life as well?

All additions of wealth are considered income. Some income isn't taxable (Aunt Petunia's birthday check), some are. Someone sitting at home collecting dividends pays less than half the top rate as someone going out and "producing". You're just pissed off the truth doesn't follow your talking points.

The top federal income tax rate on dividends is 15%.
The top federal income tax rate on sweat-of-the-brow labor is more than double that.
#115 | Posted by Danforth

Just a little FYI...
I am "sweat-of-the-brow labor", I earn just over 40k per year and I PROMISE you I don't pay 30%.

Dividends are taxed AT LEAST twice, when you earn it and when you withdraw it to use it.

So no, if you use money that you earned and invested, you shouldn't pay MORE taxes on it.

"Danforth, my 3 year old isn't using his penis right now, do you want to borrow it?"

I tell the truth, and it brings you to mind of your little kid's dick?

What a creep.

He's just pissed that Mr. Barnum fired him after he got caught fucking the elephants.

That's not true. PT Barnum fucked 'em too. He knew a sucker when he had one.

"I am "sweat-of-the-brow labor", I earn just over 40k per year and I PROMISE you I don't pay 30%."

*Sigh*

Another idiot who doesn't understand marginal rates or top rate. And he wants to blame me for his ignorance.

"Dividends are taxed AT LEAST twice, when you earn it and when you withdraw it to use it. "

Wrong, stupid.

"That's not true. PT Barnum fucked 'em too. He knew a sucker when he had one."

Hence the name RingMaster....

#121 | Posted by Danforth

No, actually, I am fairly intellegent..

The truth is, no matter how much the gov't TAKES from me and GIVES to you, it will never be enough.

Dividends..
So how many times should someone be taxed on the same money?

Stop being a lazy cock sucker, create your own wealth and quit relying on someone else to take care of you!!!!

Hence the name RingMaster....

#127 | Posted by crispee_oc

Or he just earned the nickname at the Homesexual Meetings he held in his dorm room.

#129...
I think that would be past tense and RingMastered.

"So how many times should someone be taxed on the same money?"

It's not the SAME money, you moron, it's NEW money.

"Stop being a lazy cock sucker"

Why do you have such an obsession with guys and dicks? Anything you'd like to tell the class?

"create your own wealth and quit relying on someone else to take care of you!!!!"

Too funny. Aside from my two jobs, I've made more money in the market this year than you've made by working.

Wrong, stupid.

#126 | Posted by Danforth

Dumb shit, I earn money by performing a task, my employeer pays me, the gov't takes from me: that last part is a TAX.

I invest part of my pay, it earns money, that is what a dividend is, the earnings. When i remove that money (part of that is the dividend), the gov't takes part of that earnings from me.. again that is a TAX...

You can't be this stoopid!

"No, actually, I am fairly intellegent.."

A classic among self-retorts!

Too funny. Aside from my two jobs, I've made more money in the market this year than you've made by working.

#131 | Posted by Danforth

You are a bed-wetter, you haven't had 2 jobs your whole life.

"When i remove that money (part of that is the dividend), the gov't takes part of that earnings from me.. again that is a TAX..."

You're taxed whether you "remove" it, or reinvest it. Your claim you're taxed "when you withdraw it to use it" (as if you're not taxed if you don't 'remove' it) is dead wrong.

"You can't be this stoopid!"

Obviously, though, you can.

"You are a bed-wetter"

What's with your obsession with all-things-penile?!?

Something you'd like to get off your chest?

"you haven't had 2 jobs your whole life."

Gee...dumb, and a liar to boot.

Too funny. Aside from my two jobs, I've made more money in the market this year than you've made by working.

#131 | Posted by Danforth

Something tells me Danforth's wife is the bread winner. Speculation on my part, of course.

So... What about the other 20 million still not covered if this brilliant legislation passes?

#98 | Posted by crispee

Pesky details....

Snowe also said she was not committed to voting for it on the Senate Floor after combined with the other 4 bills and the House bill.

They don't have 50 votes for this thing.

It's a pos bill.

Snowe also said she was not committed to voting for it on the Senate Floor after combined with the other 4 bills and the House bill.

Posted by MURPHY

My collar is more stiff than her backbone.

The polls aren't exactly going up these days for the Majority Party in Power.

#93 | POSTED BY WISGOD AT 2009-10-13 06:39 PM |

Except that one poll last November is the one that counted.

The rest, not so much, eh?

#135 | Posted by Danforth

Nope, not "dead wrong".

You are not taxed when it is reinvested if you are doing it right, but outside of a roth ira, you are almost always taxed when you withdraw it.

You can't have made that much money in the market this year if you don't have a basic understanding of what is taxable and what is not.

Regardles, the gov't constantly double dips on our earnings.

"Something tells me Danforth's wife is the bread winner"

Something tells me Wisgod is a liar.

"Something tells me Danforth's wife is the bread winner"

Bet he is in the bread line though.

#21 | Posted by rightisright at 2009-10-13 01:19 PM | Reply | Flag: Enjoys insurance execs rescinding policies to get bonuses

#24 | Posted by Corky

Missed the story that Medicare denies more claims than the private sector companies.

I am "sweat-of-the-brow labor", I earn just over 40k per year and I PROMISE you I don't pay 30%.

You would if you paid state income taxes. Anyway, Hawaii has had mandatory insurance laws for decades. It hasn't turned us all into paupers and we don't have asshole insurance companies tell us they won't cover us for pre-existing conditions.

Hawaii is also a leader in preventive health care because of the mandatory laws, not in spite of it.

And...guess what? We are a bunch of liberal know nothings.

Let's see, what else:

No tipping fees, hence no roadside trash, retirement communities for the elderly with assisted care in home, free bus service on the Big Island, free camping at all state parks, un-taxed farmers markets, strong gun laws and a very low crime rate, very good environmental laws which means very little pollution and everyone is a minority which means very little racism.

We also have one of the lowest unemployment rates in the country and one of the highest income levels in the country.

No sane residents in Hawaii care to be screwed by a bunch of conservative missionaries ever again.

Regardles, the gov't constantly double dips on our earnings.

#142 | Posted by seedeez2

Estate (death) tax is double dipping.

"You are not taxed when it is reinvested if you are doing it right"

Bullshit. The only time you're not taxed immediately is if it's in a tax-deferred account (IRAs, 401[k]s, etc), or it's a tax-free investment (muni bonds, for example). Why are you blabbering about a subject on which you obviously don't have the first clue?

"You can't have made that much money in the market this year if you don't have a basic understanding of what is taxable and what is not."

WTF are you talking about? One of my two careers is as a tax advisor. So...you were saying....?

"Estate (death) tax is double dipping."

No, it's not, the tax is on the transfer of money.

Oh, did I mention our main industry is tourism? If our liberal paradise is so third world, why is it the premier tourist resort in America?

"Bet he is in the bread line though."

Really? You'd bet?!? How much would you like to lose?

Your Hawaii health care is broke Ring--

"You fucking bed-wetters make me sick!!! All reaction, NO thought!!!"

Fuckin' irony in action. AGAIN.

"Is this all that it can be?" is serious reservations? I guess we didn't read the same text. Oh, well. My point was (asshole) that some people are calling her not a Republican, blah blah blah, and asserting other bullshit. Go to fucking Maine. Talk to the citizens. She is widely respected. She has taken their talk to town for decades. She would not vote for this if she didn't have a sense that a majority of her constituents want movement. History calls. Calls. Like her constituents call. One can have reservations and still support something. She could also be voting for it symbolically, knowing that it won't pass on the full vote--as in, we need to show that movement toward reform must happen, and my peeps want reform of some kind, so I'm voting yes in committee. (But you know, so many of you have a WayForward Machine...)

"I invest part of my pay, it earns money, that is what a dividend is, the earnings. When i remove that money (part of that is the dividend), the gov't takes part of that earnings from me.. again that is a TAX..."

And you just proved your opponent's point. You earned money from your employer: income #1. You earned (separate) money by investing (wisely, it seems): income #2. Two different taxations; two different rates. Did I miss something?

#146 | Posted by RingMaster

Hey AssMaster, Hawaii's children's medical program went tits up in 10 months.

Why? Because 85% of the people that had private insurance for their kids dropped it and went on the state plan. State plan went BROKE, now the stae plan is gone.

Hmmm... Oregon, basiclly same thing, come to find out they can't provide everyone "free" health care.

You bed-wetters HAVE TO LEARN - NOTHING IS FREE!!!!!

It is tax dollars that pays for all the free shit. Come on, how fucking dense cah you be?

"Estate (death) tax is double dipping."

No, it's not, the tax is on the transfer of money.

#149 | Posted by Danforth

Dan --was the money in the estate already taxed?

It should be done away with.

Except that one poll last November is the one that counted.

The rest, not so much, eh?

#141 | Posted by woke

Oh, you mean like the 2 Presidential Elections prior to Chocolate Carters? So STFU about the war in Iraq, you fucking hypocrite.

"Dan --was the money in the estate already taxed?"

Murphy -- did someone who didn't have money, get money?

"It should be done away with."

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight. At a time of record deficits, you want to eliminate a tax that only effects multi-multi millionaires and billionaires. Let me guess: a member of The Party of Responsibility, right?

Yeah, Pragmatist. Reconcile her vote today with her press release. We'll wait while you do your homework, Teacher.

Bedwetter, bedwetter, bedwetter.

Diuretics of the world, let go!

"Estate (death) tax is double dipping."

There's no such thing as a "death tax", Goofy. Dead people don't pay taxes. ALL income is taxed multiple times, ignoramous.

Do you honestly think that those multi millionaires and billionaires--as you put them--pay taxes when they leave this Earth?

It is all bundled in foundations and trusts and no taxes are paid.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight. At a time of record deficits, you want to eliminate a tax that only effects multi-multi millionaires and billionaires. Let me guess: a member of The Party of Responsibility, right?

#157 | Posted by Danforth

Yes sir. Nobody but the M's and B's ever die. Fucking idiot.

Hey, Wis. I'm going by the discussion here. When was the press release?

Again, go back to my original point. She will NOT get voted out because of this vote, nor if she voted for health care reform when it gets to the floor. Will. Not. That's my WayForward Machine observation. (Actually, it's observation and knowledge of the fine people of the state of Maine.)

"Do you honestly think that those multi millionaires and billionaires--as you put them--pay taxes when they leave this Earth?"

No...their multi-millionaire and billionaire heirs do.

"It is all bundled in foundations and trusts and no taxes are paid."

If that's the case, why are you clamoring for its elimination?

Null--why don't you explain how ALL income is taxed multiple times??

Again, go back to my original point. She will NOT get voted out because of this vote, nor if she voted for health care reform when it gets to the floor. Will. Not. That's my WayForward Machine observation. (Actually, it's observation and knowledge of the fine people of the state of Maine.)

#163 | Posted by pragmatist

You are entitled to your opinion, as I am mine. What else would you like to chew the fat about?

"Yes sir. Nobody but the M's and B's ever die. Fucking idiot"

We were discussing the Estate Tax. Only the Ms & Bs pay the Estate Tax. Fucking moron.

If that's the case, why are you clamoring for its elimination?

#164 | Posted by Danforth

Because it's already been taxed.

"Null--why don't you explain how ALL income is taxed multiple times??"

I don't do remedial Econ 101. Maybe Danforth has the patience for it. I don't.

It is all bundled in foundations and trusts and no taxes are paid. - Murphy

Danforth, because Murphy, like so many of her kind, resents that she is not (yet) rich enough to benefit. But they love to think they might be.

Only the Ms & Bs pay the Estate Tax. Fucking moron.

#167 | Posted by Danforth

And what is the dollar amount that justifies Estate tax, 2+2=3?

I don't do remedial Econ 101. Maybe Danforth has the patience for it. I don't.

#169 | Posted by nullifidian--doesn't have an answer--any answer to the question...

"Because it's already been taxed"

Monies are taxed each time they trade hands. In this case, it's going from the deceased to someone else.

But you're contradicting yourself. You just said it's NOT taxed, because it goes to foundations. Pick one scenario. Otherwise, you're arguing against yourself.

"You are entitled to your opinion, as I am mine. What else would you like to chew the fat about?"

How 'bout them Red Sox? : ) Shit, Wis. That's the nicest you've ever been to me. You sick or somethin'? High? Just got laid?

Actually, I don't watch sports. Hm. Best movie you've seen lately? We saw The Brothers Bloom last weekend... : )

"And what is the dollar amount that justifies Estate tax, 2+2=3?"

WTF are you talking about? The first several MILLION are exempt. Estate Taxes only come into play when the amount passed is multi-millions or billions.

Keep digging that hole, Wisgod. Your financial acumen is on excellent display here.

Just got laid?
Posted by pragmatist
Yep, and the little lady is on her way home. (Just being a RingMas...err Dick, sorry)

Keep digging that hole, Wisgod. Your financial acumen is on excellent display here.

#175 | Posted by Danforth

Are you including State Law, Dumbforth? Or is this another of your "that was understood" debates?

I would support a law whereby the government receives 75% of a person's wealth when they die, with sole exception being if the spouse survies the deceased. And no trust fund loopholes to send the money to the meritless offspring.

Most of the M's and B's set up the trusts and foundations to avoid paying taxes.

People should be allowed to will their money to whoever without a penalty to the receiving party.

Now if the receiving party takes that money and earns income or money off it--that is taxable.

"Posted by nullifidian--doesn't have an answer-"

Yes he does, and it's pretty elementary.

When I make $200 giving financial advice, that's taxed. When I pay the roofer $200 to do tuckpointing, he's taxed on that. When he pays the plumber $200, the plumber is taxed on that. When the plumber buys a piece of artwork for $200, the artist is taxed on that. And when the artist comes to me for tax advice and pays me $200, I'm taxed on that.

I would support a law whereby the government receives 75% of a person's wealth when they die, with sole exception being if the spouse survies the deceased. And no trust fund loopholes to send the money to the meritless offspring.

#178 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-10-13 08:39 PM | Reply | Flag: Married a girl without a Uterus

Mod--why should the gov't get anything when a person dies and leaves an estate?

The gov't didn't earn the estate--the deceased person did.

How is wealth ever past to the family when there are penalties and the gov't confiscates it?

"Are you including State Law, Dumbforth? Or is this another of your "that was understood" debates?"

No, Wisgod, I'm only referencing Federal Law. State estate tax laws vary from state to state.

Why are you digging deeper? Haven't you shown you're stupid enough?

My kids can earn their own way in life. And doing so will make their lives more rewarding and productive in the process. Fuck the oligarchy aristocracy that he evolved in the U.S. over the last thirty years.

#180 | Posted by Danforth

Thanks Dan--

But our subject is double taxes on money already taxed once.

Haven't you shown you're stupid enough?

#183 | Posted by Danforth

Sure, dummy. We only pay Federal tax when we croak.
You are a piece of work.

"The gov't didn't earn the estate--the deceased person did."

Well, hm. The offspring didn't earn it either. They got lucky.

"How is wealth ever past to the family when there are penalties and the gov't confiscates it?"

What the hell? Have you really ever seen a case where the gov't taxes an estate to the level of "confiscation"? Really? Okay, I really don't know (and don't really give a shit), but really?

And Wis, little _lady_? : )

"why should the gov't get anything when a person dies and leaves an estate?"

Money is being transferred from one person to another.

Plus, the first several million is exempt. Currently, the first $3.5 million is passed without a single dime due in Estate Taxes. It's only the amounts OVER that which are subject to Estate Taxes on a Federal level.

Right is wrong, can you substantiate this claim you made? I ask because you have never addressed it....

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Pat Tillman Feared Being Used as Propaganda

Word got out within hours that it was friendly fire. If you were under the impression weeks later that "the enemy killed him", you were misinformed. He was blown apart by high-caliber weapons, fired by his own guys looking at targets on a ridgeline with the sun behind them. It happens. And had it happened to a 20-year-old schmuck from Brooklyn, you wouldn't have pretended to give a damn.

#9 | Posted by rightisright at 2009-09-13 01:20 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Again, you are such a tool. and now a liar

en.wikipedia.org

Tillman's family was not informed of the finding that he was killed by friendly fire until weeks after his memorial service, although at least some senior Army officers knew of that fact prior to the service.[13] Tillman's parents have sharply criticized the Army's handling of the incident; Tillman's father charges that the Army "purposely interfered in the investigation" because of the effect it could have on their recruiting efforts, while Tillman's mother charges that "this lie was to cover their image".[14]

His mother Mary Tillman told The Washington Post, "The fact that he was the ultimate team player and he watched his own men kill him is absolutely heartbreaking and tragic. The fact that they lied about it afterward is disgusting." Tillman's father, Patrick Tillman, Sr., was incensed by the coverup of the cause of his son's death, which he attributed to a conscious decision by the leadership of the U.S. Army to protect the Army's image

Posted by lfthndthrds at 2009-09-13 01:42 PM | Reply

Pat Tillman Feared Being Used as Propaganda

"Sure, dummy. We only pay Federal tax when we croak."

Good God, you're a moron. We were talking about Federal Estate Taxes. But leave it to you to try to change the subject when you're obviously getting your ass handed to you regarding a subject on which you are profoundly ignorant.

Keep digging, dumbshit.

It never ceases to amaze me how the loudest haters have the fewest hard facts.

No substantial argument left against health care for all? Never mind, we'll make one up. Government will screw it up, it's socialism (or fascism, whichever is handy) and you libbies just wait, the sky will tumble down with the first band-aid the first "illigal" Hispanic.

Death panels failed, Mandatory euthanasia for folks over 40 never cut it. No pills at all for Republicans? Apparently Sen. Snowe isn't worried. Gotta do somethin' else to git That Niggah in the White House.

Maybe Afghanistan and Iraq. Let's call him a moose-lim Kenyan with a bone through his nose. Oh wait, doesn't someone on another thread say he's a Saudi ay-rab? Lookit how he sucks up to queers... herm

WTF?

"But our subject is double taxes on money already taxed once."

That $200 was taxed once as well, to me. Using your "logic", the roofer, the plumber, and the artist shouldn't have to pay taxes, because I've paid the initial taxes on that $200.

That isn't how it works. And you clearly don't understand what constitutes 'economic activity'.

Good God, you're a moron. We were talking about Federal Estate Taxes. But leave it to you to try to change the subject when you're obviously getting your ass handed to you regarding a subject on which you are profoundly ignorant.

Keep digging, dumbshit.

#190 | Posted by Danforth

And leave it to you to sugar coat your half -assed assesment of the real world. But that is typical these days. Hope you fill out more than half of a 1040 form for your fucking clients.

The owners get what they want, and they don't care about insuring you.

Herm--

How about it is the biggest bill to tax the shit out of folks making more than 66k a year?

How about the fact that it still leaves 29 million UNINSURED!

The whole thing is a farce to tax you and me and everyone else.

"leave it to you to sugar coat your half -assed assesment of the real world"

I've told the truth. What's the matter, you don't like being exposed as a complete moron?

"Hope you fill out more than half of a 1040 form for your fucking clients."

I'll be sure to. All ~300 of them.

#193 | Posted by Danforth

Dan

There is a service or goods provided in exchange for the money.

There is a difference when the accrued money that a person holds--that was already taxed along the way--and wants to will it to the family getting taxed again.

I've told the truth. What's the matter, you don't like being exposed as a complete moron?
Posted by Danforth

If I'm a moron for understanding the real world, I'm just glad you aren't a finacial advisor fucking up the masses with your stupidity. No wonder you need 2 jobs. I'll bet it pays the same as 1 job after you settle in court, Ronnie Douche.

"There is a difference when the accrued money that a person holds--that was already taxed along the way--and wants to will it to the family getting taxed again."

The first three-and-a-half million is exempt. The Estate Tax is designed to thwart dynasties. And again, it's a transfer of money. Everywhere else in society when money (or other items of value) change hands, it's considered income. While not all income is taxable, this particular kind is, after the millions of exemption. Again, the only folks this effects are the multi-millionaires and billionaires, and amounts left to spouses aren't taxed at all.

"When I make $200 giving financial advice, that's taxed. When I pay the roofer $200 to do tuckpointing, he's taxed on that. When he pays the plumber $200, the plumber is taxed on that. When the plumber buys a piece of artwork for $200, the artist is taxed on that. And when the artist comes to me for tax advice and pays me $200, I'm taxed on that."

I don't get it. What's so special about $200? Why not $100? You sure are an idiot--Danforth. LOL.

--Murphy

But I'd only pay my Federal Obligation. I don't think the State gets a taste. -DanH&RBlockforth

"I'm just glad you aren't a finacial advisor fucking up the masses with your stupidity."

People pay me well for my advice. My current hourly rate is $100-$115 an hour. My biggest client is UP since the meltdown started. And I'm up triple the Dow this year.

"No wonder you need 2 jobs. I'll bet it pays the same as 1 job after you settle in court, Ronnie Douche."

Wow...you really turn into a whiner when you're made to look stupid.

"But I'd only pay my Federal Obligation. I don't think the State gets a taste. "

Desperate and Dumb; The Wisgod Life Story.

Murphy isn't it high time for you to go back to Fox News?

Wow...you really turn into a whiner when you're made to look stupid.

#203 | Posted by Danforth

Yeah, that whole Estate Tax story is so much better when you focus on part of it. I'll bet you're a hit at the Hospices.

"that whole Estate Tax story is so much better when you focus on part of it."

Awww...which part don't you understand? If you want, I'll try to use smaller words to explain, just for you.

Jackass,

Where in the Constitution does the government have the power to take property from me because an INDIVIDUAL "needs it more than I do?"

#88 | Posted by A_Citizen

Your side doesn't follow the constitution. You all said "it's only a piece of paper". So forget that argument. Helping the entire society is the right thing to do whether you agree or not.

If you want, I'll try to use smaller words to explain, just for you.

#207 | Posted by Danforth

Oh please do. I'll help.

Client: Mr. Danforth, I have an Estate of 900K. What will I pay in Estate taxes?
Danfroth: Nothing.
Client: Thank you for the stellar advice. I'll sleep easy tonight.

#209

You forgot the most important part:

Danforth: That'll be $100.

That's not right. Revision 1....
Client: Mr. Danforth, I have an Estate of 900K. What will I pay in Estate taxes?
Danfroth: Nothing, you fucking moron.
Client: Thank you for the stellar advice. I'll sleep easy tonight.
Danfroth: That will be $100-$155 divided by 1.

You forgot the most important part:

Danforth: That'll be $100.

#210 | Posted by Danforth

Now that's funny.

Gee, Wissy, you get funny after you've had your ass handed to you.

"$100-$155"

No wonder you're a financial moron. You don't know the difference between $115, and $155.

People like you are the reason I have ~300 clients, yet have never spent a dime on advertising.

Gee, Wissy, you get funny after you've had your ass handed to you.

#213 | Posted by Danforth

And you get fuuny after you're clients croak and the siblings remind you how you forgot the rest of the tax code.

People like you are the reason I have ~300 clients, yet have never spent a dime on advertising.

#214 | Posted by Danforth

Why put up a billboard in an alley when you know the Landlord is going to bitch?

"And you get fuuny(sic) after you're(sic) clients croak and the siblings remind you how you forgot the rest of the tax code."

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. I'll have to warn the executor of the estate I'm currently working on. Meanwhile, keep digging.

Funny how repugs are against the estate tax, claiming it's already been taxed once. LOL

Uh, the lazy, legacy, drunken frat boys that INHERIT it just received that income and it should be taxed. Most of whom didn't work a fricken minute to earn it anyhow.

The family farmers were, for the most part foreclosed on during reagan's first term. Foreclosure on American working people's property.....sound familiar?

Had ta make room for progress, ya know....big agribusiness can do it better and cheaper....

Same with most small businesses, only 2% of which clear 250k a year.

But most people at that level, 98% of Americans, don't have to worry about estate taxes bothering them. It doesn't affect them like it does the richest 1%....(141,000 who average 7.4 million a year)

Why should I give a fk about them, they sure as hell don't give a fk about me....the other 98%.

But, the powers that be will be spewing the rw talking points of those 1%rs....and some will lap it up and then regurgitate it like good little citizens.

THINK

Hawaii's children's medical program went tits up in 10 months.

I got news for you seedyboy and murphy, Hawaii's Quest program was not part of the private insurance program or DHS services, both of which are still in effect. The opinion article you linked to is not telling you mainland dummies half the story. Quest was capped by Gov. Linda Lingle (R) back in 2003. Quest was only for people with low income. There is still coverage for the poor under DHS. The law was changed to allow for mandatory but much cheaper coverage for children under the private health insurance plans. Essentially, Quest was always underfunded once Lingle got in office. Hawaii did not have a negative budget until 2009 along with the rest of the counry, in part thanks to Lingle, who did not follow state guidelines to balance the budget as required by law here. Some hospitals are in a wreck financially, but not because of Quest. Like I said it never was properly funded. They are loosing money due to rising costs (AMA lobbyists) and gross mismanagement, but again, we have a republican governor who has made a lot of foolish decisions that have benefited the tourist industry and other big business concerns like shipping and the oil industry, but cut back on all the social services and literally no money at all for community hospitals. You see Lingle spent 2 billion dollars promoting tourism but let the hospitals go down the drain for 5% of that tax money.

The point is, we have the money, but a republican administration would rather spend the tax money on things like a new airport in Kona, which doesn't need one then a new Hospital which is needed.

Here's a question for wisgod... Do you actually have an opinion or is your whole life just one insult after another? Just curious. I don't believe you ever posted a worthwhile sentence.

Oh, my God, I'm actually tempted to defend Wis. Nah. Never mind. : )

Do you actually have an opinion or is your whole life just one insult after another?
Posted by RingMaster

I'm of the opinion that you are a fucking idiot.
Any other questions?

Well that answered that.

I've only posted here for a month or so, but it's been pretty obvious that Wis and his alter egos, multiple personalities like goatman, cripee, et al seldom express opinions on anything. Just personal attacks on other posters.

It's all about fighting unkkkle kkkarl's neocon war and there can be no facts helping those "warriors". Smear the messengers (ignore the message) is still the standing orders for these boys.

But, apparently, they "think" this gives them some vicarious power they don't possess otherwise in real life, eh?

Social Security was nothing like it is today when it was first passed.
Many things we have today started out as far less than they are today.
Measure the benefit it will bring by the amount of cash the insurance industry is willing to spend to fight it.

#26 | Posted by danni

Are you saying that social security was worse off before the government started stealing money from it. Social security is much worse off today than it was during its inception. That's why it's going broke. Should we expect the same type of thing to happen to government run health care? I think so. In 30 years it will be the biggest mess you have ever seen and the American people will be eating shit because of it. We will have no choice but to deal with it. The government can run the military efficiently, but there are very few other things that it does, and health care will not be run efficiently. We can't even get decent schools and you expect us to get decent health care? You sure are gullible.

"We can't even get decent schools"

GRRRRR. Why do you think this is? Is it possible, in your understanding of reality, that people other than "the gummint" bear some responsibility?

And you do know, don't you, that the feds don't run schools? (Though they do push some laws...)

I've only posted here for a month or so, but it's been pretty obvious that Wis and his alter egos, multiple personalities like goatman, cripee, et al seldom express opinions on anything.
Posted by woke

My alter eqgo's and I all share the same opinion of you, woke. And who the hell brought up unkkkle kkkarl's neocon war on this Heath Care Thread? Maybe you and Ringmaster should ask Moder8 to create a new site where nobody will disagree with you. I think the Domainname "Woeisme" is available.

#225 | Posted by pragmatist

And you do know, don't you, that the feds don't run schools? (Though they do push some laws...)
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Also the Feds give tax dollars to the public/private schools, which they can yank if they don't towe the Fed line, just ask Citadel.

The other Main Senator Susan Collins will probably jump in and throw some support.

These were the same Republicans that voted for the stimulus package.

=The other Main Senator Susan Collins will probably jump in and throw some support.

She did today. Guess in Maine they take the McCain Country First sloganeering more seriously than in the GNOP South.

"Also the Feds give tax dollars to the public/private schools, which they can yank if they don't towe the Fed line, just ask Citadel."

Yes, but for most states it would have cost them _less_ to say no to the Feds and boldly reject NCLB. And there's money coming in, but never as much as promised (look up data on IDEA, the law that set up for special education).

"These were the same Republicans that voted for the stimulus package."

Yes, they were, and I am not as certain as you are that Collins will add her support. Also, she is nowhere near as widely respected in Maine as Snowe is. From what I understand (I'm not in Maine, but I am of Maine : ) ), Collins is not as smart and is more what people today seem to think of as conservative (I don't mean to conflate the two).

How long before Susan Collins joins her distinguished gentlewoman from Maine?

She did today. Guess in Maine they take the McCain Country First sloganeering more seriously than in the GNOP South.

#229 | Posted by Corky at 2009-10-14 11:35 AM

#229...

It was only a matter of time before she caved in.

yesterday that dimming you experienced was a little more of our freedoms and liberty lost.
goddamn democrats have placed us one step closer to fiscal armegeddon to a point that we may never recover
and liberal fucks here revel in the news.

liberal fucks here GLEEFULLY support not only this but the acceleration of the flow of money into scumsucking trial lawyers who get rich off the dispair of others.
and at the same time rail against insurance companies because of some sick desire to be like europe who hasnt done anything in the past 100 years or so for mankind.
posters here who normally attack corporations with a vengenge not all of a sudden are thrilled to know that this SO CALLED bill places more millions into the pockets of assholes like john edwards and all because trail lawyers are the 2nd largest contributors to the fuckin liars in the white house.
AND YOU yonger people here because of what some leftist prof in your little university indoctrinated you or maybe you listened to some older person who is a drugged out former hippie that obama was the answer. one day you will be sorry that you voted for a neomarxist lying sack of shit named obama.

and the answer

viva la revolutione'

other liberal fuck america provisions

if your premium has gone up to a certain level or ANY reason
the 'concept' voted on yesterday can be taxed up to 40%...

AND if you dont have insurance it fines you..

OBAMA"S AMERICA

THREE other provisions of obamas health care america

NO TORT REFORM

High deductable outlawed

no inter state purchases

at the same time goddamn democrats and the future ex senator snowe have designed a 'concept' that will ensure a single payer system of health care that NOW we find out has some language in this bullshit that requires states to set up places for people to go and get thier government run insurance and one place to go,...according to article read by rush this morning.

YEP YOU GUESSED IT.

the DMV

what a bunch of stupid dupes the left has turned into....

Afkabibble, there is hope for your high blood pressure and depression. Quit listening to Rush. That idiot is purposely trying to aggravate your condition so there is one less person he will have to help out with insurance when the taxes finely go up for the greediest Americans. He's just pissed and he's taking it out on his listeners now.

so you are saying that the things I said are there is wrong?
I believe its the truth.
and I have listened to rush for about 30 secs today which is where I heard the term 'concept' and thus the quotation marks..
as he said in that short time
AS WELL as sen mcconnel yesterday

this is only a concept..the commmittee only voted on unwritten guidelines
the MEAT of the tragedy will be composed BEHIND THE CLOSED DOORS of harry reid.

so are you disputing that or are you another retorter who would just rather lob nonsense than discuss it?

There is help for wisgod too. Just say no to hate speech. Leave it to us liberal pros. We can dish it out too but we don't have to resort to lies and illogical name calling like you, which rubs on you guilt complex and aids indigestion. There's a whole lot more satisfaction when you at least know you are right, not just right wing.

...so you are saying that the things I said are there is wrong?

Absolutely. There is no final bill yet. You have no idea what you are ranting about. You, like all the rest of us are just guessing what the final bill will look like, but you can bet on one thing, with all the right wing rhetoric and obfuscation of the facts, there will not be much, if any, bipartisan cooperation, so; yes, your worst fears will probably be the end result. Blame you own party if there is a crappy bill passed. It couldn't be a more just reward.

I KNOW there is no final bill
as I said..that will be done behind closed doors of harry reid according to mcconnel...
but there IS language there and sections of it that point out what is being said.
to say that you cant talk about it because it hasnt completed the cycle is just liberal means of hoodwinking the country...
you know it
we know it..

but its a hell of a nice try.
I DO know what IM 'ranting about'..lol...
its your side that HAS TO keep the public silent because of what you saw in august..

and even USING the word bipartisan is silly.
as obama said yesterday...republican(S)..
please..republicans must stand fast and do whatever they can to stop it

and those blue dogs...my only question to them
what did rhom promise you?
how did rhom threaten you?

republicans must stand fast and do whatever they can to stop it

This is the bottom line for the republicans. This is also why it will pass without their input. Tough shit. You all want to take that stand against a majority rule in both houses, go for it geniuses. Why do you think the public voted out the republicans in the first place? Like I said it serves you all righteously. You deserve it.

I made a mistake yesterday, upthread, and need to correct it. I posted "I'm up triple the Dow this year." (#203) That's not true. It was true before the recent runup, when the Dow was up about 4%, and I was up 12%, but as of yesterday it was up about 12.5%. I've beaten that (up about 15% as of the posting), but --obviously -- not tripled it.

My sincere apologies.

If private insurers were already providing affordable coverage, there would be no need for this debate. But they are not.

We need the public option because the private insurers define the problem in the first place.

Don't you Libtards go and start shooting miniwads over this, this doesn't mean you get your wallet card with a lifetime of free healthcare even though you don't work

Where the fark are you rtards getting this "free healthcare" BS from anyways?

There is no such thing as free Health Care.

Wot currently exists is over-priced health care and a market without any real competition.

You also have a staggering amount of medical bankrupcies occuring in families who not only work but who supposedly had health care.

How can you even begin to argue for a continuance of THAT madness?

S'rsly. Get a grip.

On Topic?

Spud to Snowe:

No Public Option = No Real Health Care Reform.

Be Well.

ROBERT REICH, FORMER LABOR SECRETARY, OCTOBER 27, 2007: This is what the truth is and what a candidate will never say but what a candidate should say... We are going to have to, if you're very old, we're not going to give you all that technology and all those drugs for the last couple of years of your life to keep you maybe going for another couple of months. It's too expensive. So we're going to let you die.

The real problem is the Riech wing lies. Those conservite bastards spreading lies!

"We are going to have to, if you're very old, we're not going to give you all that technology and all those drugs for the last couple of years of your life to keep you maybe going for another couple of months."

Now I can't imagine a government following through on this, but he's at least partly right. And this is where the Death with Dignity folks come in. I don't want someone telling my father that he will get no more treatment, but if my father is dying slowly and painfully, I would try to suggest that maybe it's time to let go.

Oh, and FreeChoice, you do know that Reich no longer has a position in the federal government, right?

Oh, and FreeChoice, you do know that Reich no longer has a position in the federal government, right?

#247 | Posted by pragmatist
Yes I do, but that does not mean that he does not have influence, and that his mentality is not the same as many liberals. But as he says, they are just too afraid to tell the truth. Another point is that he is not some right wing ding, making this up.

Good point about the right wingding. Who knows who has what influence, nor how many liberals (or conservatives) have what mentality.

Again, I think he's at least partly right. That's not a liberal viewpoint--that's a pragmatic viewpoint, and a humanistic one. Death with dignity. How often is a dying person influenced to "hold on" because their families don't want to let go? I don't have an answer, but I bet it's often.

I don't disagree with your concept, especially when it is family. But phrase of Death with Dignity, is just a nice way of saying Death Pannel. Not the way they have been portrayed in the media, but still trying to get someone to die, instead of costing a ton of money. Same end result.

This is the bottom line for the republicans.
#242 | Posted by RingMaster at 2009-10-14 01:27

but somehow when dems vote down republican amendments everyday and all the time...for some reason thats different you see...
republicans obstruct and dems are looking out for the little guy...at least thats the CON they have run on for years and years...

one mor time

give me the name of one republican legistator that has come out and said...we dont want health care reform...and saying something like we dont want OBAMACARE doesnt count.

This is also why it will pass without their input. Tough shit. You all want to take that stand against a majority rule in both houses, go for it geniuses.
#242 | Posted by RingMaster at 2009-10-14 01:27 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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a post for the archives
for when libs in dc here start whining like they did since about 1994 about how republicans dont treat them right as the minority party...

ANOTHER ONCE AGAIN..
I am not talking about one party...either one...govt SEEMS to work best when there is a certain 'logjam' if you will and I mean as in the case of one party not running everything and YES I was here for the bush years...when republicans didnt do what they should have done...told the dems .."TOUGH SHIT"....lol

and OH YEAH

heard clip of snowe again this am

if obama thinks that this is an automatic vote when its COMPLETELY REWRITTEN BEHIND RIEDS CLOSED DOORS with RHOM there to make sure unions like seiu and the other democrat HOMEBOYS are taken care of....

she may not be the most powerfull woman in congress

EVEN krauthammer said that she was 'serious' and had 'actually read the damn bill"....

"I don't disagree with your concept, especially when it is family. But phrase of Death with Dignity, is just a nice way of saying Death Pannel. Not the way they have been portrayed in the media, but still trying to get someone to die, instead of costing a ton of money. Same end result."

I don't agree. It's not another word for death panels. People in the Death with Dignity movement are people, generally, who are sick and want to be let die. And my comments were about people and families who hold on when perhaps they shouldn't. You know, family members who pressure their sick relatives to keep trying, to do chemo when it won't extend life or quality of life. Like that.

And I addressed that you can't legislate this. And I would argue further that no gov't would try to.

There are no death panels. End of life consulting is just that--talking about options. Just as Planned Parenthood is not an abortion support group--it's a group that helps people consider options. All of them.

Afk--Nobody thinks Snowe's vote is automatic; she has said that loud and clear. Sometimes, you seem to act as if you believe Obama and his crew are stupid.

And let me ask you something: Do you really think that rewriting and such begins with this administration? It's called procedure. You get a senate bill and a house bill, and you have to rewrite to bring various parts together. Then debate can ensue on the floor of each. At least that's how I remember it. You know, from Civics. You watch C-SPAN. Is this not how it goes? Are you asking that all the discussion around rewriting and redrafting happen in public, that no bill sponsors or leaders get to work in their offices?

of course I know how it works thank you very much

but remember
obama said on MANY OCCASIONs that we were in for 'change' I believe is the way he put it.
and those clips are running all day long.

he called for accountability in govt in a way that the public can see just what they are doing by being transparent.
rhom in a closed door meeting CHANGING what the senate committe just voted for is nothing of the sort.
I would support changes as outlined by the president but he is not keeping his word on the matter

#244 | Posted by richardrhine

We need the public option because the private insurers define the problem in the first place.

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Private Health Insurers make about 2-5 % profit, if they cut that down to 1% you still wouldn't see much savings.

There is not a whole lot of room for them to lower their cost when they only make 2-5% profit.

Aw, poor babies!

5 percent of what figure, may I ask?

Considering their 25 percent per year premium increases and 400+ percent profitability through rescission over the last decade, one thinks they do OK.

"I would support changes as outlined by the president but he is not keeping his word on the matter"

WHAT? You would support the president? This president? Which changes are those?

And do you have evidence of Rohm Emmanuel, a single guy who's not even a legislator, changing the text of a bill? No? Because it's "behind closed doors"? Well, shit, man, we could make all kinds of assumptions in that way.

And 902, I'm with Corky--only 5%? WHAT?!? Have you looked at premium increases over the last several years? Good lord, even in my world (an awesome subplan of BCBS), the increases before last year were something like 9, 8, 12. No, I don't know what the increases in medical costs were, but I bet you're not talking about that either. Maybe we need some actuarial tables. : )

And 902, I'm with Corky--only 5%? WHAT?!? Have you looked at premium increases over the last several years? Good lord, even in my world (an awesome subplan of BCBS), the increases before last year were something like 9, 8, 12. No, I don't know what the increases in medical costs were, but I bet you're not talking about that either. Maybe we need some actuarial tables. : )

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If you knock there profit down to 1% you won't see much savings in your premiums.

The Computer Industry makes 25% profit yet has a lower rate of inflation. What role does the Government have with the Computer Industry, 0 to very little.

Me thinks the Government is the problem

I wish people would make sense.

All right, O Wise Person, where do the increases in premiums come from?