Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Tuesday, October 13, 2009

Frank Schaeffer: The Left Behind novels have sold tens of millions of copies while spawning an "End Times" cult, or rather egging it on. Such products as Left Behind wall paper, screen savers, children's books, and video games have become part of the ubiquitous American background noise. Less innocuous symptoms include people stocking up on assault rifles and ammunition, adopting "Christ-centered" home school curricula, fearing higher education, embracing rumor as fact, and learning to love hatred for the "other," as exemplified by a revived anti-immigrant racism, the murder of doctors who do abortions, and even a killing in the Holocaust Museum.

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FTA:

Jenkins and LaHaye provide the ultimate revenge fantasy for the culturally left behind against the "elite." The Left Behind franchise holds out hope for the self-disenfranchised that at last soon everyone will know "we" were right and "they" were wrong. They'll know because Spaceship Jesus will come back and whisk us away, leaving everyone else to ponder just how very lost they are because they refused to say the words, "I accept Jesus as my personal savior" and join our side while there was still time! Even better: Jesus will kill all those smart-ass Democrat-voting, overeducated fags who have been mocking us!

* Golf Clap *

Dead brill article on the continuing de-evoluting xenophobic Rapture Ready (TM) Rtards.

Love the history the the book of Revelations stuff.

LOL'd at reads like "Jesus on Acid".

Spud's Big Problm with End Times Prophecy and mentality is cos of how easily those prophecies can become self fullfilling.

Do Not Want.

Be Well.

Tater o' Doom, entering the Dragon
stage left.

The article describes nanc and her ilk to a "t".

adopting "Christ-centered" home school curricula, fearing higher education, embracing rumor as fact, and learning to love hatred for the "other," as exemplified by a revived anti-immigrant racism, the murder of doctors who do abortions, and even a killing in the Holocaust Museum.

Who would Jesus Kill?

I have always been fascinated by the individuals that claim to be Christian yet firmly embrace the death penalty and hatred towards others.

Excellent article.

assault rifles and ammunition
Which basically means scary looking semi-automatics much like a hunting rifle, and their corresponding rounds.

Which basically means scary looking semi-automatics

That can easily be converted to fully automatic weapons by wingnuts and raptureheads.

That can easily be converted to fully automatic weapons by wingnuts and raptureheads.

#7 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2009-10-13 11:41 AM

Sure they can.

There is also the perception that firearms that fall under this category can be easily modified for fully automatic fire. This is not the case since the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) regulations for manufacturers place certain restrictions on firearm product design to comply with the provisions of the National Firearms Act (NFA) of 1934 and the amendments to the McClure-Volkmer Act of 1986 that pertain to machine-gun ownership. These regulations require that semi-automatic firearms sold in the United States be especially difficult to convert to fully automatic operation. While it is theoretically possible for a skilled machinist with extensive firearms knowledge to perform such a conversion, this scenario contrasts sharply with claims of "easy convertibility." The few fully-automatic firearms which police seize in the United States are overwhelmingly illegally-imported weapons, rather than converted semi-automatics.

en.wikipedia.org

Danger on the RIGHT!

I KNEW the right wingnuts were huge haters but this information is not surprising.

First they hate anything good that happens to America while Obama is at the helm.

THEN they cheer on the end of the WORLD. No WONDER you read so many stories about gun nuts who commit suicide.

If they are so interested in seeing the end of the world let them rightards use that ordinance to put themselves out of their misery!

Most Christians that I know are not like this. Even the author agrees that it's the "fringe of the fringe."

Haven't read any of the "Left Behind" series, so I can't comment on their focus. However, I do believe that the anti-intellectual, anti-education, anti-expertise phenomenon is crescending. And it is a very dangerous and worrysome issue. Especially since it has gone way beyond politics, its usual grazing grounds.

I hate libs and their stupid religion, does that count?

Even though all my weapons can be set on fully automatic, it's not an effective way to kill people. Full auto is not very accurate and you have to change clips too often. If you see a rightie with his assault rifle set on semi, start to worry because he is serious.

Fun loving Warrior Thom


excerpts from the last 2 pages

"It seems to me that a lot of us non-evangelical, non-fundamentalist followers of Jesus find ourselves where Marc Chagall found himself vis-a-vis his faith in God and the public perception of what that faith means. Chagall is proof that not all people who identify with Christianity and Judaism (or religion in general) are of the Hagee, LaHaye, Rushdoony, and Jenkins ilk.

Chagall was an ambassador for a Judaism of peace and redemption, not a pusher of the eternal war of ethnic-religion-based Christian and/or Jewish Zionism, let alone a purveyor of fear of the "other"say, Europeans, Arabs, or gays. Chagall extends an olive branch to humanity and envisions an inclusive Judaism, not the clenched fist of race-based Zionist otherness and exclusion that the far-right hardliners in the modern State of Israel have become.

Chagall painted faith subjects infused with the Jewish and Christian symbolism that had been part of his formative years in prerevolutionary Russia. Chagall was one of the twentieth century's great painters., but he paid a price for being out of step with the critics of his day, most of whom were preoccupied with "brave" mid-twentieth century angst and nihilism. Chagall refused to remove biblical themes from his visual vocabulary long after all such "sentiment" (indeed, any figurative representation at all) was supposed to have been rejected by thinking artists. Chagall -- much like Pierre Bonnard, Georges Rouault, and several other outcasts from the inner circle of early to mid-twentieth-century critical acclaim -- has since transcended his critics."


"I happen to empathize with Chagall. As a person of faith -- both chosen and inherited -- where do I fit as a writer? Where did Chagall "fit"? Where do love and mystery and mercy fit in the literalist-minded armed camp of atheist against believer, when the whole debate is tinged with a deadly fear of the other?

How can one be a Christian when those such as Rushdoony, Jenkins, and LaHaye describe themselves as such? How can one be an atheist when a T-shirt vendor such as Dawkins has foisted himself on thoughtful and humane non-believers? Chagall shows the way for all of us, whatever we believe. His life and art demonstrate that it is possible to buck the trend of cynicism and to believe in each other more than in the rightness of our particular ideas."

btw-Max Blumenthall's book "The Family", chronicles the adventures of many of tehse fringe personalities that this author mentions.

this is more fear mongering by the left. they'll ultimately use it to bring in a police state. criminalize people based on politics. first, you've got to marginalize them. 'wingnuts' instead of 'gook'.

#12

NOt tring to sound like a dick, but for me that is the best post you have laid out here.

You can't put Goat in that herd!! He is an atheist rightie.......and no that's not an oxymoron.

LM

Apparently in the left behind series the way to heaven is by killing the anti-christ and all his followers.

Really interesting too, the rapture has already taken place and the story begins by those left behind and yet they still misguide their belief. Far to humorous.

"THEN they cheer on the end of the WORLD."

I have a hard time believing that these people are truly invested in making the world a better place when they think that it is foretold that is an impossibility.

Even Mother Theresa. Her mission, in her own words, was not to end people's suffering, only to help them endure it.


Momma T, as she was known in the 'hood, was a more traditional Christian, as are most, not some fringe rightwing political fruitcake like the people in this article.

These are folks who start out with a rightwing ideology, then stretch their religion to fit that ideology.


The main character's wife is taken(raptured) to heaven while leaving him behind...nice god that is I say...and this main character being left behind decides that he needs to believe harder and kill anti-believers to make the supposed 2nd rapture......2nd rapture must be like peasant heaven, serving those who made the 1st.

criminalize people based on politics.

haven't heard of a leftie murdering a doctor for not performing a legal medical procedure. Then again, haven't heard a leftie claim that you are pro-terrorist if you disagree with Obama. Stupid, yes, pro-terrorist no. Of course, Republicans and al queda already agree on a lot of stuff like women, medicine, science and hating Obama, but most of that predates Obama.

Max Blumenthall = weasel. I was all set to buy that book until his little fiasco on Morning Joe last week.

Their world ended when they started listening to Newt Gingrich.

-his little fiasco on Morning Joe last week

What, he didn't wake up and smell the Joe?

These are folks who start out with a rightwing ideology, then stretch their religion to fit that ideology.
#18 | Posted by Corky

Yeah, I felt bad for dragging her into this.

Since Il Papa made her a saint, I said a prayer for forgiveness.


***this is more fear mongering by the left. they'll ultimately use it to bring in a police state.****

......we are already living in a police state, we have more of our citizens jailed than any country in the world, including China and India, with triple our population.......

****criminalize people based on politics. ****

.....like the communists ?....we've already done that, including waging wars on them, and using "socialist" as a swear word, that should give us the license to make war on Sweden if we want........
#14 | Posted by somoco

......I think you may be correct about where we are going , but newsflash, we arrived a generation ago and from the McCarthyist perspective......not the left's.......

.2nd rapture must be like peasant heaven, serving those who made the 1st.

#19 | Posted by moneywar

LOL... I thought everyone serves God in Heaven?

-I said a prayer for forgiveness.

RisR had to cross himself thrice the other day when the public transportation he was riding on the way to the public library broke down on a corner that had a public college, a post office, and a free clinic on it.

He feels better now, though.

What, he didn't wake up and smell the Joe?

He was as partisan and crazy as any of the kooks his book is about.

#27

Funny as hell!!


LM


He did appear a little wild-eyed when I saw him on another program the other day..... could be contagious?

Here's a link to the video of Max acting like a partisan hack:

www.drudge.com

I seriously had asked my wife to get me the book for my birthday (this past Sunday), but after his little rant I retracted. I just couldn't read the book with the image of the fiasco constantly running through my head.

The main character's wife is taken(raptured) to heaven while leaving him behind...nice god that is I say...and this main character being left behind decides that he needs to believe harder and kill anti-believers to make the supposed 2nd rapture......2nd rapture must be like peasant heaven, serving those who made the 1st.

#19 | Posted by moneywar at 2009-10-13 02:21 PM

I haven't read any of the books, am sure they are full of kookiness, and despise faiths that at their core focus on the end of the world. However, the notion that books are about killing "anti-believers" is, as far as I know, false. My understanding is that they are fighting an organization out of self defense, i.e. the organization is trying to kill the believers.

Doesn't take away from the general absurdity of course.

Speaking of rapture:

www.huffingtonpost.com

"RisR had to cross himself thrice the other day when the public transportation he was riding on the way to the public library broke down on a corner that had a public college, a post office, and a free clinic on it."

ff

#27 = FF even though he isn't here to defend himself.


Thank you, thank you very much.... I'll be here until Dec 21, 2012, please tip your Mayan waitress.

Even though all my weapons can be set on fully automatic, it's not an effective way to kill people.

...and they damned sure aren't an effective way to kill animals. Any FW (fuck wad) that can't hunt with a hunting rifle is a right wing gun nut that strokes guns because they can't get strokes any other way.

I like my wife's approach at hunting. She throws food in a cage and when the wild pigs and turkeys come to eat it she closes the gate. While that may be impractical for city folk, so is an assault rifle that allows them to pump 30 rounds into a deer just to make sure it's dead.

This whole rapture scare crap is nothing new at any rate. How many here remember the hysteria created by the John Birch Society in the 60's? I once watched over a home for a Bircher in LA back in 1970. This clown spent thousands on freeze dried garbage and survival gear. He bought a couple of dozen acres of worthless dessert and spent another small fortune on a bunker. Years later he raised pigs just to get rid of the rotting garbage he was saving for the great rapture. The bunker is likely now home to rattle snakes and dessert rats.


"RisR had to cross himself thrice"

Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious. Acts 17:22.

#38 - dessert rats? Mmm, love how crunchy they get after baking. Do you serve them with Cool-Whip?

(apologies)

Dessert rats are what the rattle snakes eat. That's after they ate all the rapture freaks who died waiting.

This is not new to the human species.

Remember the "Dark" Ages?


I worry that, especially as the Millennium edges nearer, pseudoscience and superstition will seem year by year more tempting, the siren song of unreason more sonorous and attractive. Where have we heard it before? Whenever our ethnic or national prejudices are aroused, in times of scarcity, during challenges to national self-esteem or nerve, when we agonize about our diminished cosmic place and purpose, or when fanaticism is bubbling up around us-then, habits of thought familiar from ages past reach for the controls.

The candle flame gutters. Its little pool of light trembles. Darkness gathers. The demons begin to stir. [Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science As a Candle in the Dark]

Dessert rats is also what FWTHOM eats when he found out his fully automatic weapons are a figment of his over active imagination.

He uses sticky traps so he doesn't accidentally shoot his mouth off again.

"Remember the "Dark" Ages?" - Donnerboy

I've spent centuries trying to forget them and you gotta bring them up. Sadist!

funny, getting funnier, thay so stoupid!

The christians shaking in their boots, having christian centered home schooling, stocking up on guns, yada yada yada...I haven't seen, met nor heard of ONE! Not even ONE! So, let's take these said "Christian nutjobs" put them off to the side with the non tax paying "citizens", along with all of the white power junkies, and other races that promote and protect only THEIR race that aren't really involved in helping one another, the David Dukes, Al Sharptons, etc. Take this group send them off to the same part of the country. Let's take all of the prolife, christians, muslims, peace loving, tax paying, white, black, mexican, etc. people and see how long the non tax paying, non working prochoicer's last.

Take this group send them off to the same part of the country.

They already tried that in Texas. They just end up shooting each other. Remember Wacky Waco?

This article is yet another fascinating piece by a bed wetting liberal that cannot distinguish the difference between a fictional translation of the end times and reality. Who exactly knows what the end times will look like? Yes, the bible offers up a possibility and so do the other known religions. Most likely it will be one of two ways, one, governments around the world will go stupid, oh wait we have an idiot in the WH and have the US covered, and begin a nuclear war in which no one survives. Two would be where we have a meteor or asteroid that hits the planet and we go the way of the dinosaur.

WTFUA!

RE#47

riddle me this batman...If it is true that most if not all Christians want to be with their "God" above all else and believe that Jesus is coming to Rapture them at any moment then why would they not want to hurry up the process?

If not intentionally then subconsciously.

Ever heard of the Expectancy Factor? Scientists use the blind tests in labs to prevent themselves from influencing the results of experiments. The reason? Because if you expect that something will happen you can actually cause it to happen! This will occur in seemingly normal folks not just the so-called "fringe".

Remember GW Bush (not that he was normal) using God as is cover for attacking Iraq? Did he really believe God told him to do that or did it just seem like the "right" thing to do to hurry along His "Plan"?

I have always been fascinated by the individuals that claim to be Christian yet firmly embrace the death penalty and hatred towards others.

#4 | Posted by 726 at 2009-10-13 08:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

I'm always fascinated by assholes who make sthe same stupid post, even though the point has been clarified to you many, many times.

"he has eyes but will not see"

Fantastic article.. Unfortunately my elderly father is one of the apocalyptic crazies that is uber right wing.

first, you've got to marginalize them. 'wingnuts' instead of 'gook'.

#14 | Posted by somoco

you nutcases do fine all on your own..without help.


An excerpt from Schaeffer's soon-to-be released book, "Patience with God," gets to the root of why millions are praying for End Times.


The author has no clue. Christians don't "pray for end times", they anticipate it and see its signs in real life as portrayed by the Bible.

Not to mention, this political shill has no "skill" in the topic to speak as any authority. Instead, the goal is purely political. The use of rhetoric such as "ultimate revenge fantasy" is a paranoid schizophrenia which only serves for a political pay-back. It is very alarming and has no basis of credibility.

I can't even bring myself to follow this thread.
It would be like trying to teach my dog how to use my telescope. Very funny, but ultimately, pointless.

"How many more NASCAR races will there be if the Rapture does happen next week?"
-----from ArmegeddonOnline.org-----

Reich wing death cult.

Some more so called experts that want others to believe them and their hypothetical ignorance of what rapture must mean. They point fingers lie and accuse others of some sham to make themselves look intelligent.
What it amounts to is a shady and ignorantly written nefarious article to cast a negative light on the GOP. It want work morons.
You may fool those that posess a child like mentality, but you can't fool intelligent folks...

Shaffer is getting carried away with a miniscule extremist group and trying to paint himself as a sane voice --- and becoming a nice guy to the liberals.

Some more so called experts that want others to believe them and their hypothetical ignorance of what rapture must mean. They point fingers lie and accuse others of some sham to make themselves look intelligent.
What it amounts to is a shady and ignorantly written nefarious article to cast a negative light on the GOP. It want work morons.
You may fool those that posess a child like mentality, but you can't fool intelligent folks...

Yup, I couldn't agree more!

Let's not forget though that 'nefarious' is a loose and derogatory term. It is reserved for the criminal element.

I love that these nuts, along with Rush and Palin, are the current face of the Republican party. Should make the mid-term election, when the out-of-power party typically makes large gains, a little closer. Thanks, GOP fools.



It's funny how these 'Left Behind' books don't concentrate on those who will supposedly be spared in the magical fairy-tale, but yet it focuses on the 'damned' and the what they'll have to endure.....all while thumbing it's nose at them.

So very 'Christian' indeed!!

It's funny how these 'Left Behind' books don't concentrate on those who will supposedly be spared in the magical fairy-tale, but yet it focuses on the 'damned' and the what they'll have to endure.....

Maybe one of you bible scholars can correct me, but isn't there a magic number of people who are supposed to be whisked away to heaven on that magic day? For some reason I'm thinking that only 144,000 are going to make it.

Ain't very good odds if that's the case.

The 144,000 number comes from Jehovah's witnesses, goatman.

It appears elsewhere as well, but I forgot...

because it's all a bunch of hoodoo nonsense

144,000 are going to make it.

They are going to prepare it for the rest of us.Kinda like the trickle down theory of economics.

...they anticipate it...

And in doing so they can actually help bring it about by their actions an deeds...such as those done in Iraq by GW Bush in the "name of God".

THAT was a close call.

I am not aware of any total number of people who will reach Heaven. I do believe many folks come up with the 144,000 number do so by going by the 12 tribes of Israel times 12,000 per tribe. But that's only a guess.

Larry

I do believe many folks come up with the 144,000 number do so by going by the 12 tribes of Israel times 12,000 per tribe. But that's only a guess.

Larry

#65 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2009-10-14 02:11 AM | Reply | Flag:

It's not a guess, you heard that from somewhere...because it's exactly where the number came from.

Good memory, larry.



Maybe one of you bible scholars can correct me, but isn't there a magic number of people who are supposed to be whisked away to heaven on that magic day? For some reason I'm thinking that only 144,000 are going to make it.

Ain't very good odds if that's the case.

#61 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-14 01:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

144,000? No worries. That figure can easily be changed.

Like the article said, the 'facts' change as needed to fit the loons objectives.

As for the odds, I know I won't make it......nor will ANYBODY else.

Thanks Alexandrite wasn't sure.



As for those who immediately question his credibility or knowledge, you may want to read this bit;

"I used to be part of the self-pitying, whining, evangelical/fundamentalist chorus. I remember going on the Today Show with host Jane Pauley back in the late 1970s (or early 1980s). I debated with the head of the American Library Association about my claim that our evangelical/fundamentalist books weren't getting a fair shake from the "cultural elites." We Schaeffers were selling millions of books, but the New York Times never reviewed them. I made the point that we were being ignored by the "media elite," which was somewhat ironic, given that I had been invited to appear on Today to make that claim."

No,thank you...I had forgotten it.



The more I read about these loons, the more amazed I become! I always knew they were fringe, but GOD DAMN!!!!

Check this out;

I knew the founders of the dominionist movement -- people like the late Reverend Rousas John Rushdoony, the father of "Christian Reconstructionism" and the modern evangelical/fundamentalist home school movement. Rushdoony (whom I met and talked with several times) believed that interracial marriage, which he referred to as "unequal yoking," should be made illegal. He also opposed "enforced integration," referred to Southern slavery as "benevolent," and said that "some people are by nature slaves." Rushdoony was also a Holocaust denier. And yet his home school materials are a mainstay of the right-wing evangelical home school movement to this day. In Rushdoony's 1973 book, The Institutes of Biblical Law, he says that fundamentalist Christians must "take control of governments and impose strict biblical law" on America and then the world. That would mean the death penalty for "practicing homosexuals."


Sharia law, so to speak, right here in America........brought to you by the extreme fringe of the right-wing.

But....but....but....I thought we were fighting the 'terrorists' because they hate our freedoms?



The same retards that want 'Harry Potter' banned (no, I don't read them) because they feel it's 'witchcraft' are the same ones who gleefully stuff this into their kids hands and declare it's 'fact';

"The riders not thrown leaped from their horses and tried to control them with the reins, but even as they struggled, their own flesh dissolved, their eyes melted, and their tongues disintegrated . [T]he soldiers stood briefly as skeletons in now-baggy uniforms, then dropped in heaps of bones as the blinded horses continued to fume and rant and rave. Seconds later the same plague afflicted the horses, their flesh and eyes and tongues melting away, leaving grotesque skeletons standing, before they too rattled to the pavement."


No worries though. Home school your kids all you want. That way I won't have to learn spanish to tell my car-wash attendant "Two coats of wax! TWO COATS!!"

This article and the comments of this forum are nothing but hate speech and religious intolerance.

144,000:

www.biblegateway.com

Since Il Papa made her a saint, I said a prayer for forgiveness.

What? They canonized that... woman I can't stand? I thought they had to wait for her to be dead for fifty years. Did they fast-track her or something?

#72 Commonsense> The same retards that want 'Harry Potter' banned (no, I don't read them) because they feel it's 'witchcraft' are the same ones who gleefully stuff this into their kids hands and declare it's 'fact';

Here's a few 'facts' for you:

The Left Behind series of books were based on Tim LaHaye's decades of prophetical teachings from the Bible (mainly the NT, but some from the OT as well). Jerry Jenkins took the outlines provided by Tim LaHaye and wrote *fiction* based on the scriptural interpretation of LaHaye.

What you posted appears to be a quote from one of the Left Behind books. Just to make it plain to you, the books themselves AREN'T the Bible and much of the text is total fiction. Maybe the fact that they are listed as fiction didn't get noticed by you. There is a growing number of Christian authors writing fiction based on Biblical events/people, so the genre itself is pretty well established.

#71 Commonsense> Sharia law, so to speak, right here in America........brought to you by the extreme fringe of the right-wing.

You post a quote about one person from the 1970's (and without even giving us the source of the quote) and somehow that defines fundamental Christians today? LOL! Very few Christian leaders would agree to anything in the quote you posted because it does not jibe with their scriptural interpretation of the Bible. Methinks you are missing the mark, by a wide margin!

#19 Moneywar> The main character's wife is taken(raptured) to heaven while leaving him behind...nice god that is I say...and this main character being left behind decides that he needs to believe harder and kill anti-believers to make the supposed 2nd rapture......

Either you have very poor reading skills or you have never read any of the Left Behind series. The main character didn't have to "believe harder" but to actually believe. That was the point: people who look like believers (and may appear that way by attending church, etc.) don't fool God in the least, it is those who really believe (in Jesus as Savior, just to be specific) who will gain entrance into Heaven.

I don't know where you got the idea that killing unbelievers had anything to do with pleasing God. In the book the believers were hunted down and persecuted by the Anti-Christ (and his followers) and fought to defend themselves. Not nearly the Rambo-like saga some think it to be.



2nd rapture must be like peasant heaven, serving those who made the 1st.

#56 Takitez> Shaffer is getting carried away with a miniscule extremist group and trying to paint himself as a sane voice --- and becoming a nice guy to the liberals.

Best summary I've seen in the posts so far. The funniest part is how some lefties here took the bait and are running with it for all they're worth. Nice job to some of you for painting with such a broad brush. Perhaps some of the megachurches can have a 'full-auto weapons day' soon .... to be broadcast all over the world. ;^)


Let's not forget though that 'nefarious' is a loose and derogatory term. It is reserved for the criminal element.
.....#58 | Posted by RingMaster

......I resent that left-handed remark......

#4 726> I have always been fascinated by the individuals that claim to be Christian yet firmly embrace the death penalty and hatred towards others.

The OT clearly teaches that the death penalty is to be used for certain crimes. Most Christians (my opinion) would agree with that. I know some who are complete pacifists who disagree not only with the death penalty, but with any self-defense whatsoever. I strongly disagree with them, but they have the right to believe that if they want to.

>hatred towards others.

I don't know how anyone could justify hatred of any person based on Biblical principles. They have to blindfold themselves to much of Jesus' teaching in the NT to do that (and yes, I've read about some who do, like the pastor in AZ wanting Obama to die).

"It want work morons....posess.....you can't fool intelligent folks...

#55 | Posted by Dr_Feelgood"


You dant think think so? Fucking classic.

we are about to be in the grips of a revolution and it starts on november 2, 2010.

well it has to start before that in order to battle the white house and its assault on the first amendment and has to go through rhom emanuals office because he is the main threat apparently.

him and whoever put this anita lady out front to speak anyway....

MEANWHILE in oregon

an apartment complex tells residents that even IF they have children fighting in iraq, they STILL cant fly the US flag at thier apartment OR EVEN on thier autos because it would be offensive

OBAMAS AMERICA...
more tyranny coming to a once GREAT nation near you

"an apartment complex tells residents that even IF they have children fighting in iraq, they STILL cant fly the US flag at thier apartment OR EVEN on thier autos because it would be offensive

OBAMAS AMERICA...
more tyranny coming to a once GREAT nation near you

Posted by afkabl2"

OBAMA owned that apartment complex? Who knew? We learn something new from our resident retard every day!

#83 Afkabl2> we are about to be in the grips of a revolution and it starts on november 2, 2010.

I hope it is a 'voters revolution' but I'm not too encouraged. We saw 8 years of reckless government growth and now we have a president and congress that wants to supersize that same outrageous growth.

If the Repubs win a majority in 2010 are they very likely to put their talk about 'fiscal responsibility' into action? The Dems really have no clue, so I'm not too encouraged. There certainly isn't enough difference between the Repubs and Dems on too many issues. I haven't given up hope but I'm not going to cheer too enthusiastically for them in the next election.

I just read an article last night about when someone says they are both the same that it is a hidden statement that the republican is surrendering to the left..
OBVIOUSLY I have no intent to say that describes you because I dont know..
maybe they were just trying to rally more troops before 2010...?????
OH I remember,...it was by somebody who had been involved with one of the states independent party elections

but the entire article did make some sense..
the bottom line is that someone, SOMEWHERE has to come out and demonstrate that they arent the same old "MCCAIN LIKE" quasi conservative because the problem has done nothing but expand as the dems continue to kill us fiscally.

look at USDEBTCLOCK.com and watch the numbers spinning out of control
and SOON after that read right here from some duped liberal about how its all bush's fault,....

AND AS I Have also said..WHEN republicans gain some more control, it will signal the best environment in a long time for a viable third party that will more than likely include me

#86 Afkabl2> look at USDEBTCLOCK.com and watch the numbers spinning out of control and SOON after that read right here from some duped liberal about how its all bush's fault,....

Sometimes when I gripe about Obama's spend-o-saurus ways, supporters will reply, "Yeah, but you didn't do anything when Bush was spending". But the fact was I have been writing and calling my elected officials for some time about reckless spending ... with little to show for it. But I don't want future generations to point the finger at me when they face huge tax burdens and/or a depression because of fiscal irresponsibility.

I'd support any party who shows some sense. It hasn't been the Dems in quite some time and few Repubs fit the bill. Time to stop being so pessimistic, at least the sun is shining. ;~}

its shinning here too but more rain on the way...

really talking about the weather..

SOMEONE
SOMEWHERE IN the capitol has GOT to have some fiscal sanity...

I just love it when the likes of Afkababble, posting from a public library on a public computer what in the countries they adore is deemed pure treason, moan about tyranny and being tyrannized.

I DON'T comprehend in the whining about fiscal sanity is that this president bends over backwards to ameliorate the likes of Afkababble, who will not be ameliorated unless Obama turns white. Let's do health care, get out of the Mideast, and SCREW Afkababble. herm

"Why Republicans Are in the Grip of an Apocalyptic Rapture Cult Centered on Revenge and Vindication"


This is so backward.


Then why do I see Barack Hossein Obama and the Dems in both houses of Congress seeking Revenge and Vindication?!!?

I think the Libs are confused.

#71 Commonsense> Sharia law, so to speak, right here in America........brought to you by the extreme fringe of the right-wing.

You post a quote about one person from the 1970's (and without even giving us the source of the quote) and somehow that defines fundamental Christians today? LOL! Very few Christian leaders would agree to anything in the quote you posted because it does not jibe with their scriptural interpretation of the Bible. Methinks you are missing the mark, by a wide margin!

#77 | Posted by AKat at 2009-10-14 07:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

WITHOUT GIVING YOU THE SOURCE??? Are you serious?

READ THE ARTICLE!

Also, when I said 'extreme fringe of the right-wing', I was hardly talking about most christian leaders.....unless you feel they're all extremists.

Here's a few 'facts' for you:

The Left Behind series of books were based on Tim LaHaye's decades of prophetical teachings from the Bible (mainly the NT, but some from the OT as well). Jerry Jenkins took the outlines provided by Tim LaHaye and wrote *fiction* based on the scriptural interpretation of LaHaye.

What you posted appears to be a quote from one of the Left Behind books. Just to make it plain to you, the books themselves AREN'T the Bible and much of the text is total fiction. Maybe the fact that they are listed as fiction didn't get noticed by you. There is a growing number of Christian authors writing fiction based on Biblical events/people, so the genre itself is pretty well established.

#76 | Posted by AKat at 2009-10-14 07:45 AM | Reply | Flag:


WHAT do you mean "appears to be a quote from one of the left behind book"? I thought it was quite clear that that is exactly what it was! ONCE AGAIN, If you read the article, there would be no question.

Also, you go on about the books being fiction. So what? The Harry potter books are fiction as well yet so many of these same 'christians' wanted that series banned because it promoted 'witchcraft' in their simple minds. So, my question to you is 'what's your point'?



an apartment complex tells residents that even IF they have children fighting in iraq, they STILL cant fly the US flag at thier apartment OR EVEN on thier autos because it would be offensive

OBAMAS AMERICA...
more tyranny coming to a once GREAT nation near you

#83 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-10-14 12:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

DRAMA!!!

DRAMA!!!

DRAMA!!!


If you can show me how Obama is responsible for this apartment complex doing this, I'll take you off the 'tard list'.

OBAMAS AMERICA...
more tyranny coming to a once GREAT nation near you

#83 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-10-14 12:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Tyranny?

Tyranny? Really? Tyranny brought to you by an apartment complex?

I know you're not the brightest bulb here so I'll explain it to you; without involvement of the Government, 'Tyranny' is impossible.

Next you'll be telling us that their right to free speech was violated.....even though no Govt was involved.

#36 > RINGMASTER
...so is an assault rifle that allows them to pump 30 rounds into a deer just to make sure it's dead.


If you don't know anything about a subject, refrain from spouting off. Some facts for you; an "Assault Weapon" is a selective fire (safe/semi-auto/full-auto) firearm desigend for military or law enforcement and requires a special liscense to purchase or own. It'll run about $6K, not including the extensive background check for non_LEO's. And Uhhhh, hunting with any firearm with more than 5 rounds readily available (you can get smaller mags) is illegal in almost every state. A 5.56 mm round is a 5.56mm round, a .308 round is a .308 round, regardless of the appearence of the firearm. I respect your right to NOT take advantage of the 2d Amendment, I would ask you do the same if I opt to. No harm will come to anyone who doesn't deserve it.

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