They're just trying to boost calendar sales.

Now he tells us...after they've made a movie of it and everything.

I guess we can expect a sequel.

Hahaha yeah thats one good thing about terrible hollywood end of the world movies mystery.

2012 isn't the end of the world, Mayans insist

Make up your mind, will ya.

Maybe if we sacrificed a virgin to Quetzalcoatl he'll give us an extension.

Frank2.5 -- what are you doing tomorrow night?

Frank2.5 -- what are you doing tomorrow night?

#6 | Posted by goatman

Why?
Are you OFFERING yourself as the Sacrificial Virgin?
And want me to be the one to do it?
You ARE the one hangin' out in that communistic Public Library to post and ogle boobs, after all..
Sorry man-I gave up sacrificing Virgins for Lent last year-and have long since decided not to start back up.
My wife got tired of cleaning up all the blood in our living room.....

(Virgins were also getting awfully hard to come by)....

2012 not the end of the world?

EVEN if Palin gets elected President?

Clearly, someone did not a cut of the movie profits...

There is a cute little 16 year old girl down the street that I have been talking to..........

PLEASE DON'T TELL HER ABOUT THIS!!!!

"2012 isn't the end of the world, Mayans insist"

Yeah but don't let that interrupt a really good story.

In fairness, 2012 could be the end of the world. The Mayans are just saying that they don't have any better information than the rest of us.

I heard the world was ending on 5/5/2000. I'm pretty sure everything was still ok on 5/6.

A lot of the same self-righteous clowns who claim they are so scientific because they don't believe in the Bible believe the world will end in 2012 because some witch doctor told them.

A lot of the same self-righteous clowns who claim they are so scientific because they don't believe in the Bible believe the world will end in 2012 because some witch doctor told them.

#13 | Posted by fwthom

Like who?

Or sorry, I didn't realize that was you ass speaking.

Hard to tell in this light.

I'm shocked at how many otherwise intelligent people I run into that buy into this crap; Mayan calander, polar magnetic fields shifting (or something like that) and all sorts of things are supposed to happen in 2012. It stems from people thinking their generation is more important than others I think. There is nothing special about us and we shouldn't expect to be the generation that sees the end of times.

I wonder what George Noory would have to say about this...

^.^

Ok, it will end in 2013...

But really, just because the Mayan calendar ends doesn't mean the world's going bye-bye. I mean, WE only make calendars for 12-16 months, and you don't see people going all psycho over the end of our calendars ... in fact, I just found a day-planner for 2009 that I never used...

It was probably that the Mayans simply ran out of paper at 2012 ... sompe people are going to really be disappointed when 2013 rolls around ... then again, they'll probably start going nuts over the close call with the asteroid in 2029 that might spell certain doom for us in 2037. :)

Did they have any preditions Obama would win a Nobel?

Did they have any preditions Obama would win a Nobel?

#18 | Posted by crispee_oc

No, just the reaction from the people that all of a sudden cared about it but couldn't name the last winner at the time.

But shit, even I predicted that!

If you read the Mayan calendar directions closely, it tells you very clearly that, December 23, 2012 is the end of the great Universal cycle, December 24, 2012 is the start of the NEW Universal cycle.

See, this is the problem with not reading directions, it happens all the time, people get lost, they can't put bicycles together, they bring on Y2K and shit, causing an up-roar over nothing.

There is NOTHING mystical, mythical or magical about any the early native's beliefs. They were 1 with the earth because, they were primitive, Tom Edison, Henry Ford, Al Bell were'nt around to invent shit, so , all they did was eat, sleep, and shit. The natives knew nothing about conservation, they used up their environment resources. Just look at Chaco Canyon, Tuzigoot, Mesa Verde, in the American southwest, they turned to cannibalism before any of them figured out to go where the food is.

"Frank 2.5 -- what are you doing tomorrow night?

#6 | Posted by goatman"

Why?

Are you OFFERING yourself as the Sacrificial Virgin?
And want me to be the one to do it?

You ARE the one hangin' out in that communistic Public Library to post and ogle boobs, after all..

#7 | Posted by frankf55 at 2009-10-12 12:30 PM | Reply

Geeze, frank55, at least get your virgins right. You got the wrong guy.

It's Afkabl2 who's the one who hangs out in the public library "to post and ogle boobs" hoping to get a date. I'm sure Goatman also ogles boobs every chance he gets too but I seriously doubt he does it in Houston's Barbara Bush Library. lol

Crap! Does this mean I really have to pay off all these credit cards?

If you read the Mayan calendar directions closely, it tells you very clearly that, December 23, 2012 is the end of the great Universal cycle, December 24, 2012 is the start of the NEW Universal cycle.

Damn, I missed that. I'll have to brush up on my Mayan and read it again.

been living in the desert sense 1968 when manson said the blacks were going to start a war and take over the world.is it safe to come home? charlie won't answer my mail.

The natives knew nothing about conservation, they used up their environment resources. Just look at Chaco Canyon, Tuzigoot, Mesa Verde, in the American southwest, they turned to cannibalism before any of them figured out to go where the food is.

Early experiments in global warming.

Maybe if we sacrificed a virgin to Quetzalcoatl he'll give us an extension.

Frank2.5 -- what are you doing tomorrow night?

#6 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-12 01:15 AM | Reply | Flag: Cruising for Virgin Males

I was thinking that the Mayans just ran out of their tablet to carve on??

It will get crazier too as we get closer.

I'm waiting until Pat Robertson weighs in...

"I'm waiting until Pat Robertson weighs in..."

#28 | Posted by northguy3 at 2009-10-12 09:22 PM

He already did.

And it's not "Mayans" it's Maya. The word "Mayan" is used infrequently and only with respect to the languages.

Examples:

The Mayan calendar is a closed loop, not the edge of a cliff. It's the beginning and end to a cycle. Of what, humans no longer remember. I suspect a heavenly body of some sort that is on a fast but very eccentric orbit. Hopefully we shall all see.

Mayan Indian elder Apolinario Chile Pixtun is tired of questions about the Mayan calendar "running out" on Dec. 21, 2012.

Yeah, right.

Like he knows what his ancestors were thinking in 3372 BC.

The Mayans never claimed the world would end on Dec 21, 2012. The only people who said that were people who simply didn't know what they were talking about.

What the Mayans claim is that there will be a great change for humanity, and it is the end of the fifth cycle. That means humanity will not function as it has.

The Mayans knew a great deal about astronomy, and on Dec 21 2012, the sun will rise in alignment with the galactic center. They say they got their information and science from their gods--who were with them and not some ethereal entity in the sky. Just like the Sumerians.

I believe these gods were real, and I believe the proposed source of them. I also believe that Dec 21, 2012 will bring great changes to humanity. Since these gods of the Mayans and Sumerians have the same source, and these gods are aliens, I believe that Dec 21, 2012 will be the day they reveal themselves to humanity, and tell us the reason for that revelation.

Other options would be a pole reversal that the alien scientists were able to predict---the explosion of a super volcano they had the capability to predict---or a gamma ray burst they had the capability to predict. Of them all, the gamma ray burst would kill the most people. Only those with an undergound living space and years of food supplies would survive.

I'm willing to take the laughter for this belief for the next few years, and chances are, I won't get the chance to say "I told you so" if I am correct. But if you are one of those who are around to greet 2013 after the shit hits the fan, you will know "Buffalo Bob told you so".

As to the aliens--we were "made in their image and in their likeness" like the Enuma Elish states. I believe they are still among us in powerful places making decisions that have an effect on all humanity.

At least now when you mock me, you will have a basis for the mockery unlike the car antenna and the smokestack on the moon. The gods of the ancients aren't worthy of worship, so I don't consider my beliefs a religion. However, the ancient gods do come down to us as God and Satan. The irony is that people are worshipping the evil god who tried to kill us in the flood, and revile the good god who saved us as Satan.

you will know "Buffalo Bob told you so".

The same buffalo bob who claims moon landings weren't real? The same buffalo bob who thinks that laws of physics can be broken and mathematical proofs are trivial? The same buffal bob who sees blue ghost angels in Cincinatti gas stations? The same buffalo bob who thinks a mark on a cloud is the same color as the sky behind it?

I'm scared to death. LOL

I'll bet you $1000 you are wrong. You have nothing to lose if you truly believe in your convictions.

We on?

I'll bet you $1000 you are wrong. You have nothing to lose if you truly believe in your convictions.

We on?

#36 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-13 12:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

You have to admit the odds are long against me being correct. Even odds would be foolish. You should offer odds and we have a bet. I would say that 200 to 1 would be a fair bet, and that Vegas would offer such odds. However, since we are such good buddies. I'll take 100 to 1 odds. How's your courage now, once offered a fair bet?

I never saw a blue ghost at the gas station--that's just another Goatman lie. I always said I didn't know what it was.

I always said I didn't know what it was.

Yet the you said the people who explained it to you (even showed you a recreation someone did on the internet) were wrong. If they were wrong, what was it?

I'll take 100 to 1 odds. How's your courage now, once offered a fair bet?

I'll take any odds. $1,000. If I'm wrong and there is a global disaster, I'll pay you $100,000. If I'm right and there is not a global disaster that day, you pay me $1,000

Deal, then?

BuffaloBob

Excuse me for interrupting and this post isn't for debate right now as after I write this I'm going to jump in the shower but wanted to leave this for you to read and will look for your response later tonight or tomorrow.

You wrote above --

I believe these gods were real

Yes, I know you do. We've discussed it before.

and I believe the proposed source of them.

I know that too. It all goes back to the theory written in the book The 12th Planet

I also believe that Dec 21, 2012 will bring great changes to humanity.

This is where I'd like to know your thoughts. Do you have any theory as to what these great changes might be in 2012? Or how major?

Would they be changes for the good of mankind? Or cause intense suffering to mankind? Or eliminate mankind entirely? Might it be something actually affecting a major change in the Earth itself? I know no one knows exactly what will happen -- if anything. But what do you think might occur?

You don't have to answer now as you're in a fun debate on this thread with others and I've got things to do now anyway, so I'll look in on here either much later tonight or tomorrow to see what, if anything, you had to say.

later

I'll pay you $100,000. If I'm right and there is not a global disaster that day, you pay me $1,000

Deal, then?

#40 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-13 12:35 AM | Reply | Flag:

I never said it would be a global disaster---I said humanity would change--aliens revealing themselves wouldn't be a global disaster.

The bet would be a dramatic change in the future of humanity on Dec 21, 2012.

I wouldn't expect you to pay $100,000, and I doubt anyone else would expect it either if you backed out.

I'll bet $50, and you put up $5000. That's more realistic.

Deal?

Would they be changes for the good of mankind?

Of course not. Prognosticators NEVER portend good -- only evil

Yet the you said the people who explained it to you (even showed you a recreation someone did on the internet) were wrong. If they were wrong, what was it?

#39 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-13 12:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

No one recreated it. Most people thought it was a bug, but all the bugs shown you could see antennas and legs--you couldn't see those body parts on the blue blob. All the other recreations didn't have the fluid motion of the blue blob. No one put up an accurate recreation, and I still don't know what it was.

"I'll bet $50, and you put up $5000"

Wow. That may have set the land speed record for backpedaling.

CalifChris

I speculated in my #35 post. You were so close. I'll restate the possiblities I think could happen, and hope the first one is the correct one.

Since these gods of the Mayans and Sumerians have the same source, and these gods are aliens, I believe that Dec 21, 2012 will be the day they reveal themselves to humanity, and tell us the reason for that revelation.

Other options would be a pole reversal that the alien scientists were able to predict---the explosion of a super volcano they had the capability to predict---or a gamma ray burst they had the capability to predict. Of them all, the gamma ray burst would kill the most people. Only those with an undergound living space and years of food supplies would survive.

Wow. That may have set the land speed record for backpedaling.

#45 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-10-13 12:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

How do you figure that? I didn't propose or accept any bet initially. Goatman said he would bet $1000, and I said I would accept 100-1 odds. That would entail a bet of $10 on my part. Where does the backpedaling come in?

"How do you figure that? "

Goatman offered the $100,000. He's good for it. Why didn't you take him up on it? Are you not good for the $1,000?

Goatman offered the $100,000. He's good for it

His point was if disaster strikes he (we) won't be here to pay so 100,000 or add all the zeros you want,no difference

Bruce gets it. And Danforth is right, also

bOoB -- what you call "World Changing" could be an invisible UFO cutting a cloud in half. (btw, if proven, I would admit that was world changing) LOL Your version of reality differs from pretty much everyone else I've ever met in my life.

Goatman offered the $100,000. He's good for it. Why didn't you take him up on it? Are you not good for the $1,000?

#48 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-10-13 01:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

No one knows the future with any certainty. Goatman may be good for the $100,000 now but who knows about the future. Am I good for the $1000? I don't know that either. I think I can come up with the $50 and I think Goatman can come up with the $5000. But it isn't about the money--it is more of an ego thing---the winner gets the satisfaction of rubbing the losers nose in it forever. However, if I am right and it does turn out to be a natural disaster killing hundreds of millions(and not just aliens revealing themselves) then I lose that satisfaction---so in a sense, Goatman has the only chance of winning, and the $50 he wins would be like a baseball caught at a pro baseball game. The value isn't really in the baseball. I couldn't really gloat over the deaths of millions--do you see the point?

No one recreated it.

You are wrong. Someone posted a video of a recreation here and I saw it.

Sorry, you may have your own interpretation of a shadow on a cloud, but there is no way you can convince me what I've seen and haven't seen.

bOoB -- what you call "World Changing" could be an invisible UFO cutting a cloud in half. (btw, if proven, I would admit that was world changing) LOL Your version of reality differs from pretty much everyone else I've ever met in my life.

#50 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-13 01:20 AM | Reply | Flag

There would be no doubt dUmMy--or you win. The UFO through the cloud did not change the world or have any effect on anything. An actual landing and interaction with aliens would have a dramatic effect on the world and the worlds religions. I'm saying that whatever happens, it will be more significant and dramatic than 911, or the moon landing, or the invention of the transistor. Are you declining the bet?

You are wrong. Someone posted a video of a recreation here and I saw it.

Sorry, you may have your own interpretation of a shadow on a cloud, but there is no way you can convince me what I've seen and haven't seen.

#52 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-13 01:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

I'm not talking about what you've seen--I speak only about what I've seen. I'm sure the recreation you speak of is still on youtube. Here is the original gas station video---show me the recreation.

No I'm not declining the bet. I want a clear and unambiguous definition of "world changing" that you will not be able to wiggle out of.

There could be an earthquake that day and you claim it is world changing because it spewed a secret gas out that will kill the world in 10 years. Or there could be a comet appear in the sky that you claim portends a deeper gloom

My point is that your reality differs from pretty much the rest of the world's version. What we see as a non-extraordainary event, you may see as disaster.

Don't pretend this isn't so.

I speak only about what I've seen.

My point exactly. You've recently seen a video of a cloud split in half by an invisible UFO. So even if you've seen the recreated video, you in your own special bOoB way dismiss it and claim you never saw it recreated.

I'm not playing your game, bOoB. I saw it recreated. Whether you did or not, I will not argue.

"Oh yes--you can't see any videos--yet you claim to have seen a recreation. How does that happen?"

He's seen it onshore.

Sheesh. What a maroon.

How does that happen?

Some guy put a bug on the lens of a camera with a blue (actually, I think he used green) backdrop and focused at infinity. It looked just like the Cincinnati gas station 'ghost'

He's seen it onshore.

Thanks danforth. I missed his point. I thought he knew I could see videos onshore, not offshore. But re-reading it, I see I missed the context.

Goat,

I have Sony lenses and also have minolta lenses and like both.

The performance on my sony has been outstanding, but I have so many minolta lenses my choice was already made.

There could be an earthquake that day and you claim it is world changing because it spewed a secret gas out that will kill the world in 10 years. Or there could be a comet appear in the sky that you claim portends a deeper gloom

My point is that your reality differs from pretty much the rest of the world's version. What we see as a non-extraordainary event, you may see as disaster.

Don't pretend this isn't so.

#55 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-13 01:31 AM | Reply | Flag

Let's lock it down to the scenarios I have mentioned.

1. Aliens reveal themselves to humanity

2. Pole reversal.

3. Explosion of a Super Volcano, such as the one at Yellowstone

4. Gamma Ray burst.

and since we are narrowing it down, I will add:

5. Asteroid or comet impact

Anything else--you win.

One of these things would have to happen between Dec 21 2012, and Dec 23 2012. Explosion of a volcano such as you suggest would make me a winner since such a scenario would change humanity. But I will say that if a mysterious gas is involved--you win---all gasses would have to be known for me to win--such as in a Super Volcano explosion. If an impact happens or a Super Volcano explodes or a gamma ray burst happens on Dec 20 2012, or Dec 24 2012--you win. Since I narrowed the scenarios----you can give up a couple of days. Also, the dates would have to be if it is Dec 21-Dec 23 anyplace in the world, since the days are different in different parts of the world because of the International Dateline. Deal?

Some guy put a bug on the lens of a camera with a blue (actually, I think he used green) backdrop and focused at infinity. It looked just like the Cincinnati gas station 'ghost'

#58 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-13 01:35 AM | Reply | Flag

Then post it again. All the bugs on a lens I saw show the legs and antenna moving, and lack the fluidity of the blue blob at the gas station.

He's seen it onshore.

Sheesh. What a maroon.

#57 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-10-13 01:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

He has claimed he watches videos on shore, and he has claimed he has better things to do once on shore. At any rate, you can look and post such a video now. Why don't you do that? Goatman can help you find the video I'm sure, if you are too feeble minded to do it yourself.

Waiting on you.

;-)

"Waiting on you."

Be sure to hold your breath.

Bob and Goat,
Send me the money and I'll hold for the winner,not to worry as I am an honest fellow

I have Sony lenses and also have minolta lenses and like both.

Are any of the telephotos IS (image stablilization)? I love that. I don't know how I ever lived without them. The latest generation Canon version will do IS to three stops. That means what you could normally hold at 1/500 sec could now be held at 1/60 -- something impossible at 300mm before this feature. I hardly every use a tripod or monopod anymore with telephoto.

He has claimed he watches videos on shore, and he has claimed he has better things to do once on shore than blog here.

FTFY

However I have blogged here on occasion from home. I did last hitch off for a full day AAMOF while me AC was being fixed. I don't completely shun the PC when I'm home. But I admit I am on it only 1/10 the amount of time as I am offshore and most of that is just to check email.

Then post it again.

I didn't post it the first time.

Besides, why should I go to the trouble to find it when it is 100% certain you'll shoot it down and claim it is not the same conditions, results, whatever.

No thank you. I'm not playing

My camera has the IS feature and rarely use tripod anymore too.

I use my 600mm every so often and sit down with knees up so the camera lense can rest on knee and get great photos.

In fact my camera takes such good photos my friends ask to borrow it when they go on trips. They have yet to figure out that some people just have a good eye for taking good photos.

I can deal with those. Just to further clear up any potential ambiguities or misunderstandings?

1. Aliens reveal themselves to humanity

This has to be a "take me to your leader" (not literal words, of course) type event. I.E. no UFOs, nothing that looks like a human being (chances are practically nil of parallel evolution), and an irrefutable spaceship that has landed somewhere. It would have to prove itself with some sort of unforeknown technology -- but a spaceship would fit that bill

2. Pole reversal.

Given. No chance of misunderstanding there. I presume you mean the N magnetic pole becomes the S magnetic pole, right? No problem with that.

3. Explosion of a Super Volcano, such as the one at Yellowstone

You realize when that one goes, it is supposed to take most of Wyoming right? OK. I'm good for that one. And yes, it can be anywhere in the world.

4. Gamma Ray burst.

Astronomers see these all the time. I presume you mean one that wipes out a large portion of life, right? If so, OK

5. Asteroid or comet impact

Again, these happen daily -- dozens a day in fact. So it would have to be a sizable object -- let's say 100 meters in diameter or greater. That would probably cause a global disaster.

#64 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-10-13 01:57 AM | Reply | Flag

That's what I thought loudmouth---run along boy.

My camera has the IS feature and rarely use tripod anymore too.

Nikon does the same -- puts the IS in the camera. Canon puts it in the lens. The big disadvantage to that, of course is expense. Every lens has to have it. But the advantage is that the IS sensor is put at the end of the lens, where the most movement is. Therefore the IS is quicker to react and more accurate. (but I'm sure you know these things)

But again, $250-$350 more for each lens starts to add up fast.

Besides, why should I go to the trouble to find it when it is 100% certain you'll shoot it down and claim it is not the same conditions, results, whatever.

No thank you. I'm not playing

#68 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-13 02:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

Not at all--if it is a bug, I have no problem admitting it is a bug. Just show a video where you can't see the bugs legs or antenna, and it has the same fluidity as the original. You can't back your words as usual.

"That's what I thought loudmouth---run along boy."

Fifty bucks? That's what I thought, chickenshit. Run away, BoOb.

Just show a video where you can't see the bugs legs or antenna, and it has the same fluidity as the original.

You have google. I don't have video.

Besides, I already said I wouldn't go to the trouble for something you would be certain to find fault in. You always -- literally always -- do.

If you can't do the google, get someone to help you.

1. Aliens reveal themselves to humanity

This has to be a "take me to your leader" (not literal words, of course) type event. I.E. no UFOs, nothing that looks like a human being (chances are practically nil of parallel evolution), and an irrefutable spaceship that has landed somewhere. It would have to prove itself with some sort of unforeknown technology -- but a spaceship would fit that bill

Agreed--except for the looking like humans part--Enuma Elish says we were made in their image and after their likeness. But they will be aliens, and no question about it--spaceship and everything.

2. Pole reversal.

Given. No chance of misunderstanding there. I presume you mean the N magnetic pole becomes the S magnetic pole, right? No problem with that.

Yes--exactly--agreed.

3. Explosion of a Super Volcano, such as the one at Yellowstone

You realize when that one goes, it is supposed to take most of Wyoming right? OK. I'm good for that one. And yes, it can be anywhere in the world.

Agreed.

4. Gamma Ray burst.

Astronomers see these all the time. I presume you mean one that wipes out a large portion of life, right? If so, OK

Exactly--the gamma ray bursts astonomers see do not have any effect on this planet. The one in our agreement would be devastating. If this is the scenario I doubt either of us will be around to pay.

5. Asteroid or comet impact

Again, these happen daily -- dozens a day in fact. So it would have to be a sizable object -- let's say 100 meters in diameter or greater. That would probably cause a global disaster.

Agreed---it would have to be larger than Tunguska.

If you agree to the dates involved---we have a bet. Agreed?

Besides, I already said I wouldn't go to the trouble for something you would be certain to find fault in. You always -- literally always -- do.

If you can't do the google, get someone to help you.

#76 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-13 02:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

I've seen all the videos--they all show antennas and legs.

Outside a legal context, "burden of proof" means that someone suggesting a new theory or stating a claim must provide evidence to support it: it is not sufficient to say "you can't disprove this." Specifically, when anyone is making a bold claim, and especially a positive claim, it is not someone else's responsibility to disprove the claim, but is rather the responsibility of the person who is making the bold claim to prove it. In short, X is not proven simply because "not X" cannot be proven (see negative proof).

You made the claim--now show a video that doesn't show legs or an antenna. You can find it easily on your next time ashore.

;-)

They have yet to figure out that some people just have a good eye for taking good photos.

That's true of course. Once I learned the art, I pretty much always took good pictures. However at this point in my life I am able to afford lenses and gizmos I never could before. They have helped me refine my art.

So I get a little peeved when someone who hasn't known me very long claims I take good pictures because of my quality equipment. People who know me well and know my work know better, but they do agree that I have been taking it a step further the last few years. I've been taking pictures and doing darkroom work since I was a teenager.

My darkroom was B&W only work and that allows for a whole lot of creativity. I'm still learning the digitial form of a darkroom (photoshop) and have a long way to go before I perfect that.

You made the claim--now show a video that doesn't show legs or an antenna. You can find it easily on your next time ashore.

You are pretty dense, aren't you? What part of "I don't want to waste time finding something that you'll undoubtedly find fault in" don't you understand, bOoB?

28-70 lens
70-210 lens
125mm lense
600mm lens

These are my most used lenses, I have doublers and 35-300 and 28mm and 50mm but I rarely use them.

With the digital slr's f is not a problem, can push so far 2 different ways that it has been a long time since I actually worried about light.

Camera goes with me all the time, on the motorcycle it is great.

except for the looking like humans part

STicking point. I don't believe in parallel evolution and I don't believe we were created in anyone's image.

I'd say the chances of an intelligent alien race looking humanoid are , 1:1e10

Good photos are from the eye.

Same spot 3 different people and the one who has the eye always gets the great photo.

Knows to pan a little right or left, catch this branch or leaf, and focus on this not that.

besides the 70-200 f2.8 I have:

24-70mm f2.8
24-105mm f4.0 (my walkaround lens)
100mm prime f2.8 macro (another sweeet thing, probably best bang for the buck lens I have)
28mm prime f1.4 (good for indoor flashless shots)
105-300 f4.0-f5.6 zoom. My least favorite. I keep it on the Rebel which is my "glove compartment" camera.

I have a Canon 40D and Canon Rebel xTi -- both 10.1 megapixels.

My next photograpy related purchase will be a full frame camera. My eye is on the Canon 5D MK II, but at $2,600, I can afford it, but I can't justify it. I'd love to see Canon make a full frame that is not so feature loaded. I'd probably buy it.

Same spot 3 different people and the one who has the eye always gets the great photo.

I agree. They eye and the ability to know what f stop to use and where to focus. The three critical things to a good photo. If action shots, shutter speed is another criticality, of course.

STicking point. I don't believe in parallel evolution and I don't believe we were created in anyone's image.

I'd say the chances of an intelligent alien race looking humanoid are , 1:1e10

#82 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-13 02:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

It isn't parallel evolution. They created us by crossing their DNA with the local hominid about 200.000 years ago. Chances are the same ones who created us are still alive. They supposedly have lifespans of 500,000 earth years or more.

Do you mean to tell me that if a spaceship landed with alien technology far beyond our own, that you would deny that they were aliens simply because we look like them? Is that what you are saying?

#87
You've stepped into the twilight zone

You've stepped into the twilight zone

#88 | Posted by bruceaz at 2009-10-13 03:26 AM | Reply | Fl

Actually, I've read some books on the ancients and what they said. Since the bible is based on those stories, I give them credibility. You, on the other hand, are talking out your ass.

You, on the other hand, are talking out your ass.

Bruce says: You've stepped into the Twilight zone

You say, They created us by crossing their DNA with the local hominid about 200.000 years ago. Chances are the same ones who created us are still alive. They supposedly have lifespans of 500,000 earth years or more.

But he's the one talking out of his ass?

You're something else, bOoB

Actually, I've read some books

Me too,I like Kurt Vonnegut

I love vonnegut. I've read every book of his. My favorite is Sirens of Titan. If you look on my user page, you'll see a quote from that book. I love that quote

Me too, I like Kurt Vonnegut

~BruceAz

Spud luffs Vonnegut's werk.

On Topic?

Mayans say world won't end in 2012?

This lady just needed a paperwork break for a few minutes so I decided to follow this thread.

It's like watching a ping pong game --

comets

cameras

comets

cameras

comets

cameras

I'll catch up and figure it all out.

...So I get a little peeved when someone who hasn't known me very long claims I take good pictures because of my quality equipment...

- Goatman

I'd really be interested in seeing, but only if you wanted to, an upload of one of your old black and white photos taken a long time ago with a 35mm camera -- a photo which you felt turned out rather well. It doesn't have to be one you developed in your own dark room unless that happened to be the photo you picked out.

I'd just like to see a photograph you'd taken using only the basics available to photographers before digital cameras came on the scene just to see what kind of photographic eye you have.

Ansel Adams took the majority of his photos only in black and white. In fact he would rarely shoot with color film. He would get outstanding photos of the shadows in the granite walls surrounding Yosemite Valley.

Of course your old photo won't look anything like today's digital photos with all the fancy lenses but I'm not interested in seeing one of those. I'm sure you have always had a good eye for photography and I'd like to see one of your old black and white pictures if you have a favorite. No rush. Just whenever you may think of it and only if you feel like showing one on here.

I'd really be interested in seeing, but only if you wanted to, an upload of one of your old black and white photos taken a long time ago with a 35mm camera -- a photo which you felt turned out rather well.

THis is the only one I have on this PC and/or in photobucket. A self portrait when I was ~22 YO. IT didn't scan well -- has some dust

PS, I used the makeshift darkroom on my ship for processing.

That's one good thing about a ship for darkrooms -- the watertight doors make it perfectly, 100% dark!

Ansel Adams took the majority of his photos only in black and white.

Ansel Adams was a fucking genius. He was the king of contrast usage, IMO. His B&Ws and Annie Liebowitz's B&Ws are who I strive to be like.

Annie's recent B&W (just a hint of color in her face -- wonderfully done) of the Queen is a work of art. Too bad the Queen looks like George Washington. Portraits are much better in B&W IMO

i239.photobucket.com

#96 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-13 04:37 AM |

You said self-portrait and it's quite good.

But it's still not one you took while actually holding the camera. : )

Nice picture, though. I like the rather pensive look on your face in the photo. When you get home and if you have a spare chance to think of it, maybe you'll have another photo you took while holding the camera.

...pensive look on your face ...

LOL. That's the exact word everyone uses when they see that.

But it's still not one you took while actually holding the camera

Doesn't matter. I had control of it. It was on a tripod with a timer. Self portraits are very hard to do.

I'm a shitty portrait person in general. That's one of the reasons I am in awe of Annie Liebowitz. She is the master (mistress?) of portraits, IMO

When you get home and if you have a spare chance to think of it, maybe you'll have another photo you took while holding the camera

I just bought a negative scanner a couple of days ago so I can scan the thousands of B&Ws (and later color) negatives I have. I can't wait to use it.

BTW, you mentioned they didn't have to be any I processed. I processed 100% of my B&W film. None went to a lab. Only my color I sent out.

Ansel Adams was a fucking genius. He was the king of contrast usage...

#98 | Posted by goatman

Fucking genius is right. One can only dream of taking black and white photographs like these --

I just bought a negative scanner a couple of days ago so I can scan the thousands of B&Ws (and later color) negatives I have. I can't wait to use it.

I'd love to see some of the B&W's that you'd like to show once you get them scanned. That fact you developed them all yourself really impresses me.

I'm sure other posters here on DR who are also into photography would probably enjoy seeing your pictures too. We should have a "photography thread" one week and everyone can show their favorite photos. OzarkAggie has a good photographic eye too.

Well, time for me to get some sleep. Good night, y'all.

G'night, cc

Ansel Adams was a fucking genius.

I am in awe of Annie Liebowitz. She is the master (mistress?) of portraits, IMO

Yup, her shait has a way of sticking like no other.

I"ve seen that portrait of Churchill before. I didn't know it was one of Karsh's. Thanks for the info

Thanks for the info

Yer ever so welcome.

Yup, his B&W portaiture stands the test of time alright here's another coupla faves afore Spud heads out...

Einstein.

But he's the one talking out of his ass?

We'll find out in 2012 won't we.

You're something else, bOoB

You're deflecting---bet, or no bet dUmMy? Put up or shut up.

#90 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-13 03:32 AM | Reply | Flag

You're deflecting---bet, or no bet dUmMy? Put up or shut up.

???

I'm not deflecting. You put up 5 conditions. I agreed to 4 of the five. It seems more than fair that I make one condition.

I realize that you are used to getting your way like a spoiled brat and that 80% isn't good enough, but that's the way it is. You set 5 conditions up, I set one.

Put up or shut up crybaby. LOL

The nutcases and the History channel all believe we are in the "final days" my father watches the "Nostradamus" channel (the History channel) constantly thinking we are imploding as a planet..

being a non theist it pains him to think he will go to "heaven" and I left behind. I tell him that at least traffic will clear up and I can get me a Mercedes SL500 for free :)

Of course his racism, greed and lack of compassion might prove hard to even pass muster for his god.. [snicker]

Why are people so ready to believe that the "ancients" had foreknowledge of events? These "ancients" are the same people who didn't know what electricity was, how atomic processes worked, knew what stars really were, had little understanding of mathematics, physics, chemistry, and engineering, had no understanding of magnetism, gravity, or any other fundamental force of the universe. How would they "know" what's going to happen precisely on 12/21/2012?

I'm not deflecting. You put up 5 conditions. I agreed to 4 of the five. It seems more than fair that I make one condition.

So you say that the aliens have to look like frogs or insects--human looking aliens aren't good enough for you?

I realize that you are used to getting your way like a spoiled brat and that 80% isn't good enough, but that's the way it is. You set 5 conditions up, I set one.

Actually, YOU set the 5--not me--you whined about what I would consider world changing saying I would try to weasel out. I say aliens would land, and now you want to say--no--they have to be SPECIAL kinds of aliens--human looking aliens aren't valid aliens.

I say you are trying to weasel out of your bet. Aliens landing--no matter what they look like would be a world changing event---I doubt the world would agree that just because we look like them makes them any less alien.

Either accept any type of aliens revealing themselves or weasel out of the bet.

Put up or shut up crybaby. LOL

#113 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-13 06:31 AM | Reply | Flag

So you say that the aliens have to look like frogs or insects

???

I didn't say that at all, bOoB. How did you make it this far in life without the ability to comprehend the written word?

Actually, YOU set the 5--not me--

No, I verified what you were talking about since your version of reality vastly differs from most of the rest of the world

I say you are trying to weasel out of your bet.

You also say there are smokestacks on the moon and that invivible sky fairies go aroun cutting clouds in half.

So you say a lot of untrue stuff --- your point?

These "ancients" are the same people who didn't know what electricity was, how atomic processes worked, knew what stars really were, had little understanding of mathematics, physics, chemistry, and engineering, had no understanding of magnetism, gravity, or any other fundamental force of the universe. How would they "know" what's going to happen precisely on 12/21/2012?

#115 | Posted by HulkHogan at 2009-10-13 09:15 AM | Reply | Flag:

Your are mistaken. The Sumerians knew of all the planets, including the asteroid belt. They knew the accurate number of years in a Great Year, and used a number that equaled 500 great Years. Modern scholars are studying the Enuma Elish for the origins of the solar system.

It was only people born thousands of years later that came up with the nonsense you speak up. The Sumerians came up with the first schools, 360 degrees in a circle, the plane of the ecliptic, the first writing, and many other first for humanity. They say they got all their information from their gods--who were there with them at the time. The modern bible is based on their bible.

The Mayans have been able to accurately predict eclipses into modern times. It is pretty hard to do that without advanced mathematics and knowledge of the movement of the earth, sun and moon. They said they got their information from their gods who were there with them.

Why didn't they have electricity or atomic power? The gods didn't tell them.

Bob is actually right on this one. The Sumarians wrote in their texts that beings came down from the stars and taught them civilization.

The Sumarians wrote in their texts that beings came down from the stars and taught them civilization.

#120 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-10-13 03:45 PM | Reply | Flag: Battlestar Galactica Finale

Either accept any type of aliens revealing themselves ...

IOW, you get to set all five of the coditions of the wager and I can't set even one or it's "My way or the highway".

I'll take the highway, control freak. Maybe you can find someone else to play on your slanted playing field and let you make 100% of the rules 100% of the time.

Not me

If you have the balls, maybe you can explain why you think you deserve this extreme advantage on this wager. Why do you get to choose all five conditions, yet reject the one single one I have? What makes you so special in this regard, bOoB?

The Sumarians wrote in their texts that beings came down from the stars and taught them civilization.

But they forgot all the cool stuff and it took mankind 7000 years to rediscover it.

I guess I'm not on The List anymore, huh, bOoB? LOL

#121 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2009-10-13 03:49 PM

Never watched it. Try X-Files =D Ananaki I think they were called.

No, I verified what you were talking about since your version of reality vastly differs from most of the rest of the world

I say aliens landing with spacships is a valid inclusion in the scenario for the bet. No restrictions on what the aliens look like. I say if you decline the bet because we look like the aliens, is weaseling out of the bet.

You also say there are smokestacks on the moon and that invivible sky fairies go aroun cutting clouds in half.

I have shown the smokestack on the moon several times and have not seen any sane rebuttal to it as yet. You are the only one saying sky fairies go around cutting clouds in half---not me.

My point is that aliens landing with spaceships should be significant enough to qualify for the bet. I say that it would qualify as a world changing event no matter what they look like. If you disagree, then weaseling out of the bet is an accurate description.

#118 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-13 03:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why didn't they have electricity or atomic power? The gods didn't tell them.

So what did the 'gods' tell them? How to raise goats? Yep, I can see why it would take gods to teach such a complex task to stupid humans. LOL

Never watched it. Try X-Files =D Ananaki I think they were called.
#125 | Posted by kanrei

I remember that one too. Can't watch anymore, they seem so cheesy now.

Home was a great episode though.

From what I learned, the "gods" told them how to construct homes, set up government, the value of recording history, etc. The reason the lessons did not survive was that barbarians basically wiped them out because they trusted the "gods" to defend them and the gods were not there when needed.

Hag,
I have that 60 episode X files Myth collection, but I can't remember if I have watched it once since buying it.

That's great it starts with an earthquake birds and snakes an aeroplane lenny bruce is not insane...

I guess I'm not on The List anymore, huh, bOoB? LOL

#124 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-13 03:54 PM | Reply | Flag

You are still on the list. The rules are, I won't talk to you first---and even if you do talk to me first, I may not respond to you. It happens that I am interested in the Sumerians and aliens, which is what we have been discussing. Your other posts are simply moronic and not really worthy of response. Even on the cloud cutting thread, you still insist that a vertical contrail can leave a horzontal shadow on a cloud--and ignore all other points. I doubt you'll see much response from me on other subjects. Your main debating tactic consists of name calling.

afraid, not insane.

DAMMIT!

They were called the annunaki. They are in the bible as the Anak.

Numbers
13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

Others of the same race but different ranking were called nephilim

Genesis
6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown.

The God in that passage isn't the biblical God--it is the god of the Sumerians--the Nephilim and annunaki are aliens.

Crossbreeding with these people could explain the great ages of biblical characters, since they were said to have had lifespans of thousands of years.

You are still on the list. The rules are, I won't talk to you first---and even if you do talk to me first,

Oh. More rules.

First you told me the exception was if you started the thread. Now it's different.

Why not just list the rules, bOoB? Oh, I know -- because if you did, you would not be able to add to or change them. LOL

I'll bet you played a lot of Calvinball when you were a kid, didn't you? LOL

Rats!!! 2012 being the end of the world was my retirement plan!!! Now I have to start saving my money again!!!

And this is really going to piss off the guys planning on using the "Ya know, we're all gonna die this year baby! We should do it right now!"

Does anyone else see the irony of bOoB quoting the bible? Isn't he one of the ones who says it is a fairy tale?

Even on the cloud cutting thread, you still insist that a vertical contrail can leave a horzontal shadow on a cloud--

Thanks for opening my eyes, bOoB. I had my own experiences with invisible sky fairies last month at Padre Island and didn't even know it. I thought it was vertical clouds casting a slanted and horizontal shadows. But you proved that was impossible, didn't you? That stupid Pyhagoras had the entire world fooled for over 200 years with his silly geometry and trig and angles. You sure showed him! LOL Thanks to you I know better, too. Did you see my pics?

Goat and Bob,

You need to get a room.

That's great, it starts with an earthquake, birds and snakes,
an aeroplane - Lenny Bruce is not afraid.
Eye of a hurricane, listen to yourself churn,
world serves its own needs, dummy serve your own needs.
Feed it off an aux speak,, grunt, no, strength,
The ladder starts to clatter with fear fight down height.
Wire in a fire, representing seven games, a government for hire and a combat site.
Left of west and coming in a hurry with the furies breathing down your neck.
Team by team reporters baffled, trumped, tethered cropped.
Look at that low playing!
Fine, then.
Uh oh, overflow, population, common food, but it'll do.
Save yourself, serve yourself. World serves its own needs, listen to your heart bleed dummy with the rapture and the revered and the right - right.
You vitriolic, patriotic, slam, fight, bright light, feeling pretty psyched.

It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.

Six o'clock - TV hour. Don't get caught in foreign towers.
Slash and burn, return, listen to yourself churn.
Locking in, uniforming, book burning, blood letting.
Every motive escalate. Automotive incinerate.
Light a candle, light a votive. Step down, step down.
Watch your heel crush, crushed. Uh-oh, this means no fear cavalier.
Renegade steer clear! A tournament, a tournament, a tournament of lies.
Offer me solutions, offer me alternatives and I decline.

It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it. (It's time I had some time alone)
It's the end of the world as we know it (It's time I had some time alone) and I feel fine.
(I feel fine)

It's the end of the world as we know it. (It's time I had some time alone)
It's the end of the world as we know it. (It's time I had some time alone)
It's the end of the world as we know it (It's time I had some time alone) and I feel fine.

The other night I dreamt of knives, continental drift divide. Mountains sit in a line
Leonard Bernstein. Leonid Brezhnev. Lenny Bruce and Lester Bangs.
Birthday party, cheesecake, jelly bean, boom!
You symbiotic, patriotic, slam book neck, right? Right.

It's the end of the world as we know it. (It's time I had some time alone)
It's the end of the world as we know it. (It's time I had some time alone)
It's the end of the world as we know it (It's time I had some time alone) and I feel fine.

It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it (It's time I had some time alone) and I feel fine.

It's the end of the world as we know it. (It's time I had some time alone)
It's the end of the world as we know it. (It's time I had some time alone)
It's the end of the world as we know it (It's time I had some time alone) and I feel fine.

It's the end of the world as we know it. (It's time I had some time alone)
It's the end of the world as we know it. (It's time I had some time alone)
It's the end of the world as we know it (It's time I had some time alone) and I feel fine...

Stipe, Berry, Buck, Mills

Not sure if Jimi Hendrix rewrote it or not, haveta ask kanrei....

(see, i have a sense of humor)

Wonderful. Thanks for the warning. Have a nice life.

U 2

Some say a comet will fall from the sky.
Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves.
Followed by faultlines that cannot sit still.
Followed by millions of dumbfounded dipshits.

Some say the end is near.
Some say we'll see armageddon soon.
I certainly hope we will cuz
I sure could use a vacation from this

Silly shit, stupid shit...

One great big festering neon distraction,
I've a suggestion to keep you all occupied.

Learn to swim.

Mom's gonna fix it all soon.
Mom's comin' round to put it back the way it ought to be.

Learn to swim.

BuffaloBob

I wanted to let you know I didn't totally ignore your answer to my #41 written to you last night. I had told you I'd check back on here but have been so busy all day long this is the first chance I've had to even sit down and pour myself a cup of coffee and hit the keyboard. You wrote --

Since these gods of the Mayans and Sumerians have the same source, and these gods are aliens, I believe that Dec 21, 2012 will be the day they reveal themselves to humanity, and tell us the reason for that revelation.

Other options would be a pole reversal that the alien scientists were able to predict--- the explosion of a super volcano they had the capability to predict---or a gamma ray burst they had the capability to predict. Of them all, the gamma ray burst would kill the most people. Only those with an undergound living space and years of food supplies would survive.

# 46 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-10-13 12:56 AM

I better get all my partying done in the next three years 'cause according to your second paragraph 95% of the world's population is going to be kaput.

Seriously, I'm not being a wiseguy here -- have you started building your underground living space and stocking up on supplies? Really? Have you? You really believe it's going to happen so have you started any survival preparations? Or even considered it? Just wondering.

But then who would want to live on Earth anyway after the carnage supposedly predicted to occur.

Goat and Bob,

You need to get a room.

#139 | Posted by donnerboy at 2009-10-13 06:44 PM

Well they better hook up and get a room sometime before December 31, 2012.

Say, whatever happened to their bet? Last I read upthread BuffaloBob was going to bet $50 and he wanted Goatman to fork over $5000 for his part of the bet. Even Vegas wouldn't give lopsided odds like those.

I just bought a negative scanner a couple of days ago so I can scan the thousands of B&Ws (and later color) negatives I have. I can't wait to use it.

#102 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-13 04:54 AM

I can't tell you how thrilled I was to read when you wrote there is a scanner which can scan negatives and slides! I have a lot of slides and a number of negatives and didn't know I could have them scanned and put on a disc too. I thought you could only have actual photographs from 35 mm cameras (or photos you took on a digital camera) scanned directly on to a computer disc.

My sister and I were trying to figure out how best to go about "splitting" the family photos as we each want a number of the same pictures. She was going to take them down and have duplicates pictures made of the zillion pictures we have, but I told her it would be better to just take the photos to a place that'll put them all on a computer disc instead of paying to make actual copies. But she said she didn't want to have to look on the computer every time she wanted to see a picture. I told her if you put them all on a computer disc then you can just print out whichever photos you wanted -- all you'd need is a good printer. But I never knew you could scan negatives and slides too. That's great to hear.

Time to refill my coffee cup.

Crossbreeding with these people could explain the great ages of biblical characters, since they were said to have had lifespans of thousands of years.

Or a lunar calendar would also explain it. Or a mistake in the translation.

I'm not trying to discredit the accomplishments of the Maya. Certainly, they came up with some very good ideas. (By the way, 360 degrees in a circle is not a "discovery" -- it's merely a decision; circles can also be measured in radians or gradians.)

You seem to think that they couldn't have invented or discovered anything if their "gods" hadn't told them so. Frankly, that's pretty insulting to them. I'm not willing to trivialize their inventions as you apparently are. For the age in which they lived, they had a lot of really good ideas. You're trying to give all the credit for human ingeniuty to "the gods."

The Sumerians knew of all the planets, including the asteroid belt.

Source? Neptune is not visible to the naked eye, and the Sumerians did not build telescopes. And the Enuma Elis says the Earth is flat with a solid roof. You'd think that aliens would be a little better versed in cosmology.

I just bought a negative scanner a couple of days ago so I can scan the thousands of B&Ws (and later color) negatives I have. I can't wait to use it.

#102 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-13 04:54 AM

I bought one a while back also. Probably the same config you bought: upright with a couple of sliders to hold the negs/slides, USB. It's okay. Really time consuming. Makes for huge files even at the lower resolution: the high res tiff setting will create a scan file of 100 MB plus. The scanner will pick up each and every little flaw and scratch and dust mote on the negatives. This is exacerbated by the fact that you'll be looking at the pics on the monitor at 10 times, or more, the size of a film print.

Provided software is kinda clunky and tries to supercede any other imaging programs you have, and is defaulted to always start at boot, which is unnecessary, and continually attempts to access the net, which is annoying.

Advantage is, if one is adept and has the time, the scans can be brought into an image editor, colors reworked, flaws removed, red eye taken out, etc.

I told her if you put them all on a computer disc then you can just print out whichever photos you wanted -- all you'd need is a good printer. But I never knew you could scan negatives and slides too. That's great to hear.

#146 | Posted by CalifChris

If you want to to print many pictures, it is best to copy them to DVD and take them down to a commercial photo printer and have them done on film quality photo paper. Home printers are great for a print here and there, but it can get really expensive with large quantities buying multiple print cartridges and good quality photo print paper.

Crossbreeding with these people could explain the great ages of biblical characters, since they were said to have had lifespans of thousands of years.

Or a lunar calendar would also explain it. Or a mistake in the translation.

Or they could have been telling the truth, and the translation is accurate. Even a thousand months is over 83 years. Quite an accomplishment in those days of no antibiotics, very little surgery, where even a broken bone could kill.

I'm not trying to discredit the accomplishments of the Maya. Certainly, they came up with some very good ideas.

Accurately predicting eclipses even into the modern age is not an "idea". It shows knowledge of planetary movement around a central sun, and knowledge of gravitational equations.

(By the way, 360 degrees in a circle is not a "discovery" -- it's merely a decision; circles can also be measured in radians or gradians.)

I never said it was a "discovery" I said the concept of 360 degrees came from them. Their number system was based on the number sixty. They could have chosen 100 for the degrees in a circle, but they chose 360--and we still use that today. See how many numbers divide into 60, and how many divide into 100. Their Supreme God--Anu--had a celestial number of 60. Sixty divides in the the number of years in a Great Year of 25,920--we didn't know the number of years in a Great Year accurately until the 20th century. They knew it accurately, and used a figure that represented 500 Great Years.

You seem to think that they couldn't have invented or discovered anything if their "gods" hadn't told them so. Frankly, that's pretty insulting to them.

I don't say they got all their knowledge from the gods---THEY say they got all their information from their gods---not from some king or some super mind--they say they got everything from their gods, and that their gods were there walking and talking to them.

I'm not willing to trivialize their inventions as you apparently are. For the age in which they lived, they had a lot of really good ideas. You're trying to give all the credit for human ingeniuty to "the gods."

Again---its not me that is saying that---it is THEM who are attributing all their firsts to the gods they say came down from the sky and told them all they knew. THEY say the gods gave them civilization---not me.

The Sumerians knew of all the planets, including the asteroid belt.

Source? Neptune is not visible to the naked eye, and the Sumerians did not build telescopes. And the Enuma Elis says the Earth is flat with a solid roof. You'd think that aliens would be a little better versed in cosmology.

I've read the Enuma Elish--I have a copy and translation. It says no such thing about the earth being flat with a solid roof. The Enuma Elish is the source for them knowing all the planets. and they even tell the order in which they were formed, and how the asteroid belt was formed. Again, they say their gods told them all they know. Modern scholars are studying Enuma Elish for the origins of the solar system.

The Enuma Elish is receiving renewed interest from modern researchers delving into the origins of mankind, the earth, and the solar system.

Look under Editorial Reviews for the source of that quote

Say, whatever happened to their bet? Last I read upthread BuffaloBob was going to bet $50 and he wanted Goatman to fork over $5000 for his part of the bet. Even Vegas wouldn't give lopsided odds like those.

#145 | Posted by CalifChris at 2009-10-14 03:21 AM | Reply | Flag

Goatman weaseled out. He said that the aliens that revealed themselves couldn't look like humans, even if they had spaceships and advanced technolgy. He wants insect aliens or lizard aliens. Simple aliens such as described by the ancients and on which I base my concept aren't alien enough for him.

You don't think Vegas would give 100-1 odds against aliens revealing themselves in a two day period in 2012? Tell me what kind of odds you think Vegas would give, and you and I can make a bet.

Link, Enuma Elish:

Zot

What point would you like to make from your post?

No point initially other than the edification of myself and others.

"The Enuma Elish is the source for them knowing all the planets. and they even tell the order in which they were formed, and how the asteroid belt was formed. "

I did however fail to find anything specific concerning this. A rather liberal interpretation of the words is required.

Even so, the other three planets are not visible to the naked eye, nor is the asteroid belt. The Ancients would have had to have been told about them to have this knowledge: it cannot be inferred. And though the Ancients may have had some rudimentary concepts concerning the movement of celestial objects through the sky, much of the the knowledge of the Solar System that we take for granted today would have been simply unobservable and unknowable to those who were stuck on the ground with only the unaided human eye as the instrument of observation.

I think that we tend to attribute too much to the Ancients as far as their skills. Granted, they were not stupid people, just very ignorant. Their creation myths/legends/stories were very colorful indeed, and easily misinterpreted by us today because we want to find correlations and evidence of our origins.

Zot

As stated, modern researchers are investigating Enuma Elish for the origins of humanity and the solar system. The Sumerians say this story was told to them by the gods. Let's look at it from the perspective of the gods telling the humans this story, and of the modern researchers investigating the story. Taken at its face value, it is a story for chidren with gods floating around and fighting in the sky. But instead of thinking of it in childish terms try thinking of it in scientific terms.

Tiamat was a watery planet, completely covered in water, and orbiting where the asteroid belt now orbits. Apsu --she who bore them all---was the sun. If there were a large planet---twice the size of Earth--orbiting where the asteroid belt is now, the gravitational pull of such a planet would disturb the orbits of the outer planets, and could possibly have resulted in them crashing into each other, and being destroyed.

Form outer space, a rogue planet was influenced by the gravitational pull of the planets orbiting the sun, and its trajectory was changed, pulling it into our solar system. However, instead of orbiting in a counter clockwise motion, it was traveling in the opposite direction. This set up a collision with Tiamat, splitting her in two, and sending her to the orbit the earth now orbits in. Kingu was the moon. They gave the planets the names of the gods, since this is how the current orbits of the planets were created.

Here is a link that explains it much better than I can, I can't do it justice in the space and time alloted.

Goatman weaseled out.

Tell the truth, bOoB. You set the conditions. 5 of them. I agreed to all but one. I set one condition that you disagreed to.

It seems more than fair to you that you set 80%, I set 20%.

It is you who weaseled out. You are a spoiled brat who i saying, "I make all the rules, you make none". Sorry. I don't play that game. I will agree to your 4 conditions if yu agree to my one. If not, adios. Tell everyone I weaseled out of your uneven playing field if you want. But at least tell the truth. Tell everyone I accepted all but one of your conditions and that you refuse to compromise.

What a lying ass you are, bOoB. How do you live with yourself?

#148 Zot: Which scanner do you have? I read similiar reviews to you and was kind of put off, but I really wanted one anyway so I forked out a little more to get what I hope is a better machine. Which one do you have?

Which scanner do you have? I read similiar reviews to you and was kind of put off, but I really wanted one anyway so I forked out a little more to get what I hope is a better machine. Which one do you have?

#157 | Posted by goatman

Identical to this one, but I have a VuePoint label instead.

"Mayans: 2012 Not the End of the World"

No shit.
Seriously, who buys into this stuff?

Seriously, who buys into this stuff?

Tell the truth, bOoB. You set the conditions. 5 of them. I agreed to all but one.

#156 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-14 03:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

I did tell the truth. Aliens landing with spaceships aren't enough for you. You set the conditions---all of them when you whined about how I would change to parameters once something happened on Dec 21, 2012. There was no bet when I hypothesized about what COULD happened, so after your whining, I tightened up the specs. I first said that aliens landing might be one of the scenartions that would change the world, and humanity's future.

You said the aliens had to look different than humans or it didn't count. That's a pretty pussy cop-out, and clearly you are weaseling out of the bet. Only SPECIAL Goatman approved aliens are valid. Run along punk boy---you validate my putting you on the dumbass list to be ignored.

Nice lies, but still lies, bOoB.

#146 | Posted by CalifChris

If you want to to print many pictures, it is best to copy them to DVD and take them down to a commercial photo printer and have them done on film quality photo paper. Home printers are great for a print here and there, but it can get really expensive with large quantities buying multiple print cartridges and good quality photo print paper.

#149 | Posted by ZOT at 2009-10-14 09:31 AM

Thanks, you had a great idea. But just so you know the depth of my geek ability -- and why below I'll be asking a number of dumb questions -- I'll let you in on a secret. I'm still using a VCR and don't even own a DVD but, shhhh, keep that just between you and me. lol

So here's my list of questions re "DVD for Dummies." How do I get my actual pictures (35 mm prints -- the kind you can hold in your hand) copied on to DVD in the first place?

Do I do get my photos on DVD via using my computer somehow or simply take my actual pictures down to a photo store and have them to put them on a DVD for me? (And of course I'd buy a DVD player at the same time but DVDs are inexpensive so that's no problem.)

Also, once my pictures have been put on DVD (and I can then have prints made of the photos I want) will I also be able to take that same DVD to some photo place and have them transfer my pictures from the DVD to a computer disc in case I want to see them on my computer screen and/or email them?

Thanks for your idea. You're right, it would probably cost a fortune to print out all my photos considering the cost of ink and quality print paper. Best to do it as you suggested putting them all on a DVD. I'm assuming a photo place can also scan negatives/slides on to a DVD too? It would be great if they can.

"So here's my list of questions re "DVD for Dummies." How do I get my actual pictures (35 mm prints -- the kind you can hold in your hand) copied on to DVD in the first place? "

CalifChris

Insert blank DVD. Drag photos from folders onto the DVD. Right mouse click "Burn".

Timex --

So where do I put the DVD tape in my computer in order to get it to show up on my computer screen to be able to drag the photos from the folder? I know the two places where the CD discs are inserted in my harddrive but where does the DVD tape go? (And be polite when you tell me where to put the tape. lol)

"I guess I'm not on The List anymore, huh, bOoB? LOL

#124 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-13 03:54 PM

So where do I put the DVD tape in my computer in order to get it to show up on my computer screen to be able to drag the photos from the folder? I know the two places where the CD discs are inserted in my harddrive but where does the DVD tape go? (And be polite when you tell me where to put the tape. lol)

Posted by CalifChris at 2009-10-14 11:15 PM | Reply

A DVD is just like a CD only it plays videos. Do You have a DVD burner on Your computer??

If you're burning a "DVD-ROM" to store photos it's not the same method or format as for videos you play in a DVD player.

A DVD-ROM is the same as a CD-ROM, just stores a whole lot more.

Another option is to buy a handful of USB Thumb Drives. They have 2 gigabyte versions now. 1 gigs are at the checkout at Office Depot for $7. Insert one in a USB port and you'll se a new hard drive pop up in "My Computer". Just drag photos to that.

But, burning a DVD-ROM isn't hard. Just like I outlined above.

"Insert blank DVD-ROM, drag photos from folders on your computer, right mouse click "Burn"."

That's all there is to it.

CalifChris

If you don't have a DVD burner in your computer (you may only have a "Combo Drive" - i.e. CD burner that will only read DVD's.

If that's the case just buy USB "Thumb Drives" at any office supply store. They're cheap. Cheaper than buying a new burner which you probably won't use that much. Just a thought.

Larry -

A DVD is just like a CD only it plays videos.

Thanks! Now it all makes makes sense as to how it's done.

Do You have a DVD burner on Your computer??

I have no clue. I've never even burned a CD on my computer before although I've played them.

I better brush up on my geek abilities. Everything I ever learned on the computer I taught myself by searching through Google and reading blogs like "TechGuy" etc.

If you get USB Thumb Drives, open "My Computer", make the window small enough so you can open the other windows with the photos you want to drag to the drive and be able to see both.

CalifChris

You can burn over 700 MB per CD if you have a CD burner. It isn't hard. If your pictures were taken on say, a 1 megapixel camera, then you can store up to 700 on one CD-ROM. Same process as I wrote for burning a DVD-ROM. Exactly.

Insert CD, drag photos on top of CD on your desktop. When it's pretty full right mouse click and select "Burn".

First time's the hardest. After that you'll go, "piece of cake!".

Thanks, Timex! I'm going to print out your two posts so I'll have them for a reference.

Hey, no problem CalifChris.

One thing:

When you first insert a blank CD you may have a window pop up asking which program you want to open. Click "Cancel". You don't need to use a program to burn a CD-ROM of photos on your computer.

Like I said, a CD icon will pop up on your desktop. Just drag photos on top of that and let go. If you want to check how many MB's of photos you have in there so far, right mouse click and select "Properties". It will give you a reading of how full the CD-ROM is to that point.

Trust me, it's REALLY easy.

Do you have a blank CD in your house? If so, I will lead you through a test one ... let me know.

"Say, whatever happened to their bet? Last I read upthread BuffaloBob was going to bet $50 and he wanted Goatman to fork over $5000 for his part of the bet. Even Vegas wouldn't give lopsided odds like those.

#145 | Posted by CalifChris at 2009-10-14 03:21 AM"

Goatman weaseled out. He said that the aliens that revealed themselves couldn't look like humans, even if they had spaceships and advanced technolgy. He wants insect aliens or lizard aliens. Simple aliens such as described by the ancients and on which I base my concept aren't alien enough for him.

You don't think Vegas would give 100-1 odds against aliens revealing themselves in a two day period in 2012? Tell me what kind of odds you think Vegas would give, and you and I can make a bet.

#151 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-10-14 10:20 AM

I really had to do a lot of googling before I was able to find any kind of an answer on Vegas odds but finally came across this answer on some other blog and all the posters on there seemed to agree with these numbers.

But, first, you're going to have to explain to me who these three groups even are before we make any bet.

Here's what I found out --

Las Vegas Odds on 2012

Solar cult 10-1

Serpent cult 8-1

Solar Serpent cult 4-1

What are they talking about with these different cults? Who are they? I never heard of "Solar, Serpent, or Solar Serpent."

And if I decide to take the bet, what are you putting up? Don't think you're going to get anywhere near $5000 out of me. I'm not rich. If it's 10-1 and I lose then I'll cook you dinner 10 times. Your choice of entree -- steak or lamb or whatever is your favorite. I'm a fairly good cook. And if I win? Then you owe me 10 trips to Las Vegas -- all expenses paid. LOL

The whole 2012 nonsense was cooked up by a charlatan in the 20's or 30's. A little research goes a long way, folks.

Timex

Do you have a blank CD in your house? If so, I will lead you through a test one ... let me know.

Okay, just got a blank one. Which slot do I put it in -- the top one or the bottom one?

#175...

So how are a winner if you have to cook 10 dinners or spend time in Vegas with BOb? lol

Okay, just got a blank one. Which slot do I put it in -- the top one or the bottom one?

Posted by CalifChris at 2009-10-14 11:53 PM | Reply

ROFLMMFAO bwhahahaha Oh My heavens I could do SO MUCH with that one.

Larry

Okay, just got a blank one. Which slot do I put it in -- the top one or the bottom one?

Posted by CalifChris at 2009-10-14 11:53 PM | Reply

ROFLMMFAO bwhahahaha Oh My heavens I could do SO MUCH with that one.

Larry

The whole 2012 nonsense was cooked up by a charlatan in the 20's or 30's. A little research goes a long way, folks.

#176 | Posted by satansbeard at 2009-10-14 11:51 PM | Reply | Flag

Link?

Fucking double posts. That's TWICE in one day.

Now I am not sure why but for some reason the popular sports betting site betCris.com has offered their members betting odds on the world ending on May 10th 2008;

Odds the world will end on May 10th 2008 500/1
Odds the world will not end on May 10th 2008 1/1,000

Now to me this is a crazy bet cause if the world ends on that date and you win the bet not only would you not be able to collect being dead and all but should you be one of the few to survive, who would send you the check?

As if that wasn't reason enough what about the thought that everything ends on December 21, 2012? I mean those Mayans were pretty smart people given the fact that the Mayan calendar's accuracy in measuring time, second only to the atomic clock I believe.

"Goatman weaseled out."

Bullshit. Goatman was willing to put up $100,000 to BoOb's $1,000. BoOb ran away in record time, and backpedaled to only putting up fifty bucks.

Chris,

One small thing I need to correct:

When you insert a blank CD and the window pops up asking you which program to use click "TAKE NO ACTION" or "CANCEL" .. either one.

Then, just as I described, open folders where photos are and drag them on top of the CD icon on your desktop. To select more than one hold down the "CONTROL" button. If you want to select ALL the photos in a folder just hold down "CONTROL", and while holding that down hit the letter "A". You'll see them all turn blue. Drag anywhere on top of any file that's blue and they'll all go at once.

If you open a folder and it's taking up the whole screen, click the middle upper right button (to the left of the Red X) and make the window smaller. If you want it larger or smaller than it turns out drag the right hand lower corner to resize. When your done open the next folder and so on until you have your photos all dragged on top of the CD icon on your desktop.

Moving a window out of the way (after doing what I just described above) is simply clicking and holding the mouse on the Blue Bar on top of the window and dragging it where you want it.

This advice would normally cost over $100,000 lol

Crispee-
It's 2009.

Okay, just got a blank one. Which slot do I put it in -- the top one or the bottom one?

Posted by CalifChris

Put it in the top one first and see if the little window opens and the CD icon shows up on your desktop. If not, then the bottom one.

CalifChris

Do you want to move to another less busy thread while we do this? If so type a post and say which one...

Crispee-
It's 2009.

Posted by BetelG at 2009-10-15 12:01 AM | Reply

Shhhhhhhh don't tell Him that. He may want to get on the bet.

additionally, Crispee:

....given the fact that the Mayan calendar's accuracy in measuring time, second only to the atomic clock I believe.

Where the fuck did you read that?

Crispee-
It's 2009.

#186 | Posted by BetelG at 2009-10-15 12:01 AM

No wonder I lost that bet.

LOL Larry!

Where the fuck did you read that?

CalifChris

Did a window pop up in either drive when you put in a blank CD? I'll bet you're on XP. I should have taken that into account.

When the little window pops up asking what you want to do select "Open Writable CD Folder". I'm on a Linux computer right now and forgot for a sec. I just moved to an XP computer... Been a little while since I burned a CD-ROM on XP.

Once you've selected "OPEN WRITABLE CD FOLDER" just drag files into that folder. Easy.

CalifChris

Let's move to another thread ... You tell me which one

Crispee-
You trust a bookie web page that is taking wagers for the world ending in 2008 that also claims something kinda like, "... given the fact that the Mayan calendar's accuracy in measuring time, second only to the atomic clock I believe."

????

(Or was that last bit about the atomic clock your editorial contribution?)

Crispee-
It's 2009

I figured the 2008 odds were like a horse's Past Performances in a racing form. Thought it would help establish the odds for 2012.

"Now to me this is a crazy bet cause if the world ends on that date and you win the bet not only would you not be able to collect being dead and all but should you be one of the few to survive, who would send you the check?

"As if that wasn't reason enough what about the thought that everything ends on December 21, 2012? I mean those Mayans were pretty smart people given the fact that the Mayan calendar's accuracy in measuring time, second only to the atomic clock I believe."

If I was willing to bet the world was going to end on such and such a date I'd much rather spend it on coke and hookers the day before the end of the world lol

#196 | Posted by BetelG at 2009-10-15 12:10 AM | Reply

Of course. I also think I can collect if I win.

I posted it for the satire Betleg.

Crispee-
Right. Especially since the Maya (whose empire collapsed hundreds of years before 2012) came in "second only to the atomic clock".

or whatever

Has it occurred to you that your mind is a swamp of gossip, ignorance, gullibility and nonsense out of which you make little to no sense about the world, but out of mere repetition claim to make it worth something?

CalifChris

Doesn't look like you're coming back.

Read post #194. Once you've dragged all the photos into the folder you want to save, on the upper left hand corner you'll see "WRITE THESE FILES TO CD".

It will then burn the CD-ROM and you're all set.

To do the same with music (Audio CD's you can play in the car) ... select "BURN an Audio CD" when you put in a blank and the little window pops up.

Has it occurred to you that your mind is a swamp of gossip, ignorance, gullibility and nonsense out of which you make little to no sense about the world, but out of mere repetition claim to make it worth something?

#201 | Posted by BetelG at 2009-10-15 12:17 AM

Has it occured to you that was posted as a joke? Did that ever cross your fucking mind? Did you even bother to read the fucking link? Or are you just trolling?

PS CalifChris

You can also just drag entire folders full of photos to the CD-ROM if that's easier.

Be sure to read #194 if you come back to this thread.

Nice lies, but still lies, bOoB.

#162 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-14 09:05 PM | Reply | Flag

No lies at all Punk Boy. I stated what I thought might happen on Dec 21, 2012 in the #35 post.

Since these gods of the Mayans and Sumerians have the same source, and these gods are aliens, I believe that Dec 21, 2012 will be the day they reveal themselves to humanity, and tell us the reason for that revelation.

Other options would be a pole reversal that the alien scientists were able to predict---the explosion of a super volcano they had the capability to predict---or a gamma ray burst they had the capability to predict. Of them all, the gamma ray burst would kill the most people. Only those with an undergound living space and years of food supplies would survive.

I'm willing to take the laughter for this belief for the next few years, and chances are, I won't get the chance to say "I told you so" if I am correct. But if you are one of those who are around to greet 2013 after the shit hits the fan, you will know "Buffalo Bob told you so".

As to the aliens--we were "made in their image and in their likeness" like the Enuma Elish states. I believe they are still among us in powerful places making decisions that have an effect on all humanity.

#35 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-10-13 12:02 AM | Reply | Flag

Then you made the bet that what I said would be wrong in the very next post---post #36.

I'll bet you $1000 you are wrong. You have nothing to lose if you truly believe in your convictions.

We on?

#36 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-13 12:10 AM | Reply | Flag

Then you weasel out of the bet once we get down to setting odds by trying to change one of the things the bet was set on. You originally bet that I was wrong on the possiblities I set forth---then you try to change one of them

As to the aliens--we were "made in their image and in their likeness" like the Enuma Elish states.

#35 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-10-13 12:02 AM | Reply | Flag

I'll bet you $1000 you are wrong. You have nothing to lose if you truly believe in your convictions.

We on?

#36 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-13 12:10 AM | Reply | Flag

Let's look at that again Punk Boy.

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As to the aliens--we were "made in their image and in their likeness" like the Enuma Elish states.

#35 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-10-13 12:02 AM | Reply | Flag

I'll bet you $1000 you are wrong. You have nothing to lose if you truly believe in your convictions.

We on?

#36 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-13 12:10 AM | Reply | Flag

Then what happened? The weaseling starts.

1. Aliens reveal themselves to humanity

This has to be a "take me to your leader" (not literal words, of course) type event. I.E. no UFOs, nothing that looks like a human being (chances are practically nil of parallel evolution), and an irrefutable spaceship that has landed somewhere. It would have to prove itself with some sort of unforeknown technology -- but a spaceship would fit that bill

Agreed--except for the looking like humans part--Enuma Elish says we were made in their image and after their likeness. But they will be aliens, and no question about it--spaceship and everything.

You make a bet I am wrong--then try to change what the bet is all about and call me a liar. That's how you earned your new name Punk Boy.

Run your weasely ass down the road.

Not waiting on you.

;-)

#184 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-10-14 11:57 PM | Reply | Flag

Punk Boy weaseled out Danforth--the money has nothing to do with it. This was explained to you once---I guess you aren't bright enough to grasp the concept. Goatman made a challenege--then weaseled out--end of story.

TIMEX

I did it! It worked. I followed your directions. Thanks!

The top slot didn't work so I put the CD in the bottom one. Then I went to my "Pictures" file. I then did like you said -- only I didn't do what you called "drag" -- I just right clicked on one of the pictures in my "Pictures" file.

When I did that I clicked "open" and after it opened a menu opened up and I clicked on "send to" which then opened up a short menu on which was included the "CD Disc E" which was the CD I had inserted in the second slot on my hardrive.

Then a Wizard came up asking what I wanted to do with it so I clicked to have the photo transferred to the CD Disc E. Then the Wizard closed. Afterwards I took the disc out of the hardrive and put it back in again just to test it and VOILA! There was the picture I "burned."

THANKS! You were my first one ever to teach me how "burn" something on a CD.

What a great teacher!

That's great CalifChris!!!!

Congrads!!!

"Send To" does the same thing as dragging. Personally, I've found dragging files a tad quicker. You can drag entire folders to the CD burning folder too and open them from the CD-ROM once it's burned just like you can from your computer.

Alrighty tighty!!

Now, your memories will be saved forever - well, until the end of the Mayan calender at least lol

Timex -

Sorry I took so long to respond back to you. I was afraid if I stopped in the middle of where I was to come back on here to fill you in on my "progress" I'd maybe have to start all over again so I just kept going and it ended up working like a charm -- thanks to you!

CalifChris

As I posted above you can do the same with burning an Audio CD you can play on a stereo or in your car.

When the little window pops up after inserting a CD into your burner just select the one that says "BURN an Audio CD". Same way you just did the pictures. Drag songs (WAV or mp3 files) into the folder and then burn it.

Alright, you're all set. Have a great evening!

Then a Wizard came up asking what I wanted to do

Timex is the wizard

#175 | Posted by CalifChris at 2009-10-14 11:47 PM | Reply | Flag

I didn't see any link to Vegas giving those odds. Just some guy saying Vegas Odds, and then the list you posted. I have no idea what those cults are, or their relationship to 2012.

However, Your dinner proposition sounds interesting. I will accept 10-1 odds, with you paying the 10 dinners since the odds are in your favor. If I lose, I will take you to any fine dining establishment in my city, or cook you a dinner personally.

"Punk Boy weaseled out Danforth"

Bullshit. You chickened out, pretending you didn't know if he would be good for it in 2012.

But keep trying to rewrite what actually happened. it's seems to be your strong suit.

#209 CalifChris

You're very welcome.

You can minimize the window and do other things while it burns an Audio CD or CD-ROM. No problem there. When you 'Minimize' (that little - at the top right of a window) it will then go to the bottom of your screen along the bottom as a button. To open it up just click it and it'll restore to the size it was before you minimized it.

OK, that was $100,000 worth of tech support. Ah, with the end of the world coming in 2012 just spend it on yourself. My compliments lol

One last thing CalifChris

If you're going to put a lot of photos on a CD-ROM, holding down "CONTROL" and then typing the letter 'A" will highlight ALL the photos in that folder - which you can then either "SEND to" the CD or drag into the open burning folder.

Or just drag the entire folder onto the CD.

Congrads again.

So how are a winner if you have to cook 10 dinners or spend time in Vegas with BOb? lol

#178 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2009-10-14 11:54 PM

If said if I lose then I have to cook him 10 dinners with the entree of his choice.

But if I WIN, then BBob sends me a plane ticket and makes pre-paid reservations at a hotel on the Strip -- of my own choosing. (This gets more costly for him by the minute. lol)

That's what's meant by "10 trips to Vegas all expenses paid." BuffaloBob can come along to Vegas -- the more the merrier -- but I'm getting my OWN hotel room. LOL

Punk Boy weaseled out Danforth--the money has nothing to do with it.

You set four of the five conditions of the bet. I let you have 80%. I set one condition -- 20%. You refused to compromise. Now you are crying like a little spoiled brat who didn't get his way. I know you are a spoiled brat who is used to getting his way 100% of the time. Then when you don't, you whine "he weaseled out" when you what you really meant, "I won't compromise".

With the outrageous odds I'm giving you, I would think I get at least 20% of the decision.

Not only that, Danforth is right -- you ran away and weaseled out of the original offer. You are the weaseler, not I, bOoB.

Now go away, spoiled crybaby and give your sob story to someone who cares. Good luck finding such a person, whiner. WAAAAAAAH! LOL

No matter how many times you call me a weasel, we all know the story. You just make yourself look like an uncompromising crybaby. And that's exactly what you are. FOr once you didn't get 100%, only 80% and like a child, you can't deal with it. Well deal with it, child.

And btw, bOoB, if you decide that maybe 80% isn't so bad after all, you've wasted too much time. I want the Vegas odds.

So that's my offer: You get 80% of the conditions, I get 20%. We use the Vegas odds.

Take it or leave it crybaby.

#216...

You may want to check out post #212...lol. But hey now you can burn pictures and link them for all of us.

Oh yes -- my original amount, ($1,000) too, that you weaseled out of.

Take it or leave it.

One last thing CalifChris

If you're going to put a lot of photos on a CD-ROM, holding down "CONTROL" and then typing the letter 'A" will highlight ALL the photos in that folder - which you can then either "SEND to" the CD or drag into the open burning folder.

Or just drag the entire folder onto the CD.

#215 | Posted by Timex at 2009-10-15 12:50 AM

I already bookmarked this thread with your "how to" posts in a new file I titled "Burning CDs" but I think I'll get my feet wet first and practice with a few pictures at a time before I graduate on to "burning" entire files. lol But it won't take me long to learn I hope. This was fun to learn. Thanks again!

"the money has nothing to do with it."
~BoOb

You make the call:

"No one knows the future with any certainty. Goatman may be good for the $100,000 now but who knows about the future. Am I good for the $1000? I don't know that either."
#51 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob 2009-10-13 01:21 AM

It sure seems like money had something to do with it.

"my original amount, ($1,000) too, that you weaseled out of. Take it or leave it."

Ooooh! Ooooh! Can I wager on which path he'll take?!?

I think I'll get my feet wet first and practice with a few pictures at a time before I graduate on to "burning" entire files. lol But it won't take me long to learn I hope. This was fun to learn. Thanks again!

CalifChris

A folder (bunch of files) is nothing more than a picture (one file) as far as burning a CD-ROM. Just information that'll burn the same way and save you time. Glad you had fun. You're welcome.

"Punk Boy weaseled out Danforth"

Bullshit. You chickened out, pretending you didn't know if he would be good for it in 2012.

But keep trying to rewrite what actually happened. it's seems to be your strong suit.

#213 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-10-15 12:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

You don't know shit about betting. Changing the amount of the bet isn't weaseling out of the bet. If you can't keep up your end of the bet, you shouldn't make the bet. I never said Punk Boy wasn't good for it---I said Punk Boy may be good for it as shown in the post in question.

No one knows the future with any certainty. Goatman may be good for the $100,000 now but who knows about the future. Am I good for the $1000? I don't know that either. I think I can come up with the $50 and I think Goatman can come up with the $5000. But it isn't about the money--it is more of an ego thing---the winner gets the satisfaction of rubbing the losers nose in it forever. However, if I am right and it does turn out to be a natural disaster killing hundreds of millions(and not just aliens revealing themselves) then I lose that satisfaction---so in a sense, Goatman has the only chance of winning, and the $50 he wins would be like a baseball caught at a pro baseball game. The value isn't really in the baseball. I couldn't really gloat over the deaths of millions--do you see the point?

#51 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-10-13 01:21 AM | Reply | Flag

You are starting to lie about things like Punk Boy. I posted what happened about the formation of the bet in post #205 where I show Punk Boy weaseling out of the bet. That's what happened. Now if you have a different view--post the posts that prove your point--just--like--I did---or STFU. Simple isn't it.

Waiting on you.

;-)

"post the posts that prove your point"

Why? You just proved my point for me:

"No one knows the future with any certainty. Goatman may be good for the $100,000 now but who knows about the future. Am I good for the $1000? I don't know that either. I think I can come up with the $50 and I think Goatman can come up with the $5000. But it isn't about the money"

You contradicted yourself in the same paragraph. Just because you claim it isn't about the money, doesn't mean you're telling the truth. Clearly, you're a weasel.

Danforth

You have been shown to be a liar--posting only part of my post. How about your response to what was posted in #205.

Facts are--I'm still willing to make the bet---just in terms I am sure I can pay, that's how you make a bet---bet only with what you are willing to lose---Punk Boy has weaseled out.

"You have been shown to be a liar--posting only part of my post."

I posted the salient part. And then you posted the part which proved you a liar and a weasel. You're a laughingstock, and will no doubt weasel out of this.

"I'm still willing to make the bet---just in terms I am sure I can pay"

Oh, so it IS about the money, despite the fact you lied and said it wasn't. Thanks for proving my point.

However, Your dinner proposition sounds interesting. I will accept 10-1 odds, with you paying the 10 dinners since the odds are in your favor. If I lose, I will take you to any fine dining establishment in my city, or cook you a dinner personally.

#212 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-10-15 12:43 AM

And if you lose, and I WIN, then I get only ONE dinner paid for by you and it has to be in YOUR city, not in Vegas?

And how am I suppose to get there for this ONE dinner (cheapskate lol)? Are you to going to send me a Greyhound ticket? Not to mention it'll be in December 2012 too -- in the middle of a freezing Ohio winter.

Hmm, why is it your "bets" always seem to turn out with YOU getting the better end of the deal -- win or lose. hahaha

I'll betcha Buffalo Bob cooks with these utencils.

You contradicted yourself in the same paragraph. Just because you claim it isn't about the money, doesn't mean you're telling the truth. Clearly, you're a weasel.

#226 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-10-15 01:18 AM | Reply | Flag

Making a bet is a thing of honor--money does have something to do with it. Just because I can't promise to have $1000 is not weaseling out. Weaseling out is backing out of the bet. Just because someone proposes a bet, it isn't a bet until both side agree. I made a statement and Punk Boy said I was wrong and would put up $1000. I declined on my ability to pay, but came up with a figure I was sure I could pay.

That is declining the amount of the wager--not declining the wager. If Punk Boy was willing to bet 100,000, then 5,000 should have been accepted easily. He weaseled out.

How about you? I offer you the same bet---you put up $5000, and I put up $50. Do we have a bet? Or will you weasel out?

just in terms I am sure I can pay, that's how you make a bet---bet only with what you are willing to lose---Punk Boy has weaseled out.

Why is it ALWAYS your terms, bOoB? There are two here making the bet. Doesn't it seem only fair both parties get a say in it?

Clearly you think not. So I ask, "why not?" After all, I'm one of the ones making a wager. Why do you think it is unfair that I get to set any of the conditions? Why do you think you should be able to make them all?

Well?

"it isn't about the money"
~BoOb
"money does have something to do with it. "
~BoOb

It doesn't get much more obvious than that. BoOb should forever be called Liar Boy.

Making a bet is a thing of honor

So wouldn't the honorable thing to do is let both parties set the conditions? Why only one? And why do you keep avoiding this question even though I've asked it many, many times?

BTW, "you weaseled out" is not an answer to this question

BuffaloBob -

Or will you weasel out?

"Weasel out" to bOoB means not agreeing to his terms 100%.

To the rest of the world it means not agreeing to be a part of a wager once terms and conditions are set. We never agreed to the terms and conditions, bOoB, so please tell me how you see this as "weaseling out"?

If I lose I have to pay for 10 dinners? Or cook you 10 dinners?

Cooking would be fine

And if you lose, and I WIN, then I get only ONE dinner paid for by you and it has to be in YOUR city, not in Vegas?

OK---let it be Vegas. That's called negotiation.

And how am I suppose to get there for this ONE dinner (cheapskate lol)? Are you to going to send me a Greyhound ticket? Not to mention it'll be in December 2012 too -- in the middle of a freezing Ohio winter.

We each have to get to Vegas on our own. The dinners wouldn't have to take place in the winter---paying off in the spring or summer would be fine. But if you LOSE--where will you cook the 10 dinners?

Hmm, why is it your "bets" always seem to turn out with YOU getting the better end of the deal -- win or lose. hahaha

In the negotiation of a bet, you always try to get the best you can get---but in a fair bet, you should be able to take either end. The odds are very long that some great event will happen on those specific days--100-1 would be fair---but since it is you, I offered 10-1 in my favor. But I will take either end of the bet. That means I will give you the same odds of 10-1 and the same terms, only in YOUR favor. Which side would you take?

#229 | Posted by CalifChris at 2009-10-15 01:22 AM | Reply | Flag

" tell me how you see this as "weaseling out""

Because it's about the money
Because it's not about the money
~Liar Boy

Waiting on you, bOoB. Why do you and only you get to set the conditions of the wager?

And why do you say I weaseled out when we had not agreed to the terms?

Well?

Waiting on you, bOoB.

"Weasel out" to bOoB means not agreeing to his terms 100%.

To the rest of the world it means not agreeing to be a part of a wager once terms and conditions are set. We never agreed to the terms and conditions, bOoB, so please tell me how you see this as "weaseling out"?

#236 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-15 01:45 AM | Reply | Flag

YOU made the challenge Punk Boy. Then weaseled out. This was shown in the #205 post where you said I was wrong and made your challenge on what I said---then you tried to change the terms on what you challenged me on. Should I spam #205 again and again so everyone can see what Punk Boy you are?

Let's take a look at just a part of #205 to show your weaseling out.

As to the aliens--we were "made in their image and in their likeness" like the Enuma Elish states.

#35 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-10-13 12:02 AM | Reply | Flag

I'll bet you $1000 you are wrong. You have nothing to lose if you truly believe in your convictions.

We on?

#36 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-13 12:10 AM | Reply | Flag

You weaseled out of your challenge Punk Boy.

;-)

Because it's about the money
Because it's not about the money
~Liar Boy

#238 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-10-15 01:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

So how about that bet Danforth? Weaseling out like Punk Boy?

"YOU made the challenge Punk Boy. Then weaseled out. "

Total bullshit, Liar Boy. The terms hadn't been agreed upon yet. Why do you continue to lie, Liar Boy?

"So how about that bet Danforth? Weaseling out like Punk Boy?"

We never agreed on terms, Liar Boy. Will you accept my offer of even odds, or not?

And, using you're barometer, Liar Boy, if you don't accept my unilateral offer, you're a weasel.

Are you going to weasel out, Liar Boy?

YOU made the challenge Punk Boy. Then weaseled out.

I did not agree to your terms. That is not weaseling out.

I'm still waiting for an answer to my other question: Why do you feel that I don't deserve an input as to the conditions of the bet. I.E. why do you get to set the conditions 100%? Especially if, as you say I said, YOU made the challenge Punk Boy. It seems if I made the challenge, I get to set the conditions. But you seem to think you get to set them all. I don't get it.

Waiting on you

Because it's about the money
Because it's not about the money
~Liar Boy

#238 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-10-15 01:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

It's not about the money---I'll take the bet for a dollar. But when you get talking thousands of dollars, you have to check yourself so you don't find yourself talking out your ass like Punk Boy. A wager is an Honor thing. Making a bet you may not be able to pay is a Punk Boy move---much like making a challenge, then trying to back out of the challenge you made.

How about that bet Danforth---weaseling out?

You weaseled out of your challenge Punk Boy.

You also say there are smokestacks on the moon and invisible sky fairies slicing and dicing clouds in Iran. You'll have to forgive me if I take any evaluation you make of another person with a grain of salt.

Still waiting on you to answer my #244, bOoB.

Waiting on you.

Still waiting

And waiting.

And waiting.

LOL

Still waiting

I wonder why bOoB won't answer my question in #244. Because he knows he's a liar and he can't figure out a spin that will let him preserve his lie and answer the question.

LOL

Still waiting, bOoB. #244

And waiting

And waiting

And waiting

I see danforth and goatman raped bob with a pine cone.

I'm going to play bOoB's game using his rules. He challenged me to a bet. So that means I get to make the conditions of the bet. I have but one condition. If the sun rises tomorrow, I win, no matter what. What, you won't take that bet, bOoB? You weasel. Why are you weaseling out, punk boy? You just weaseled out

Just using your rules here, bOoB.

LOL

BTW, still waiting for an answer to #244.

I realize it will never come, but I enjoy the shit out of rubbing your nose in your lies. You have no idea how much fun it is,m bOoB. LOL

Why don't y'all just take all the bet money and go to the Mustang Ranch just 'in case' the Maya are right? You could ride a lot of fillies ....

I see danforth and goatman raped bob with a pine cone.

It's not as much fun as when the aliens to the anal probing thing, but he likes it enough to set himself up for it.

Oh, yea, still waiting, bOoB.

Funny how he tucks his tail between his legs and run when his feet get pushed into the fire.

Still waiting for an answer to post #244, bOoB.

Why don't y'all just take all the bet money and go to the Mustang Ranch just 'in case' the Maya are right? You could ride a lot of fillies

I like the dinner bets that were going on. Only my condition is that whether you win or lose, I'll cook you a great meal if you ever come to San Antonio. Anyone is willing to take this bet (even bOoB) except for jackass. The boy's mentally unstable (well, so is bOoB, but I honestly don't think he could be violent) and I don't want to end up on the front page the next day.

"It's not as much fun as when the aliens do the anal probing thing..."

Goatman

No one would know better than an alien such as yourself. If you've sent your kind to silence me it hasn't worked. I put a picture of Tammy Faye Baker on top of the house to bolster the Limburger cheese over the doors. Workin' like a charm.

What's the bet? Sorry, I didn't have time to read 233 posts to find out. Saw a free-for-all and kind of scrolled on by ...

#256 | Posted by Timex at 2009-10-15 02:27 AM | Reply | Flag

Read posts #35 #36 and #205--that should bring you up to speed.

Thanks, Bob ... reading now

Still waiting for your answer to my #244, bOOB.

I think it's actually sweeter when you don't answer than when you do and spin with lies because that is what everyone expects of you.

And you never disappoint.

LOL

So why do you get to set the conditions on MY wager. You said I made the challenge in your post #240. So if it is my challenge, why do you get to set the conditions?

Waiting on you.

Bob,

I think I'll pass on a bet. I have a feeling what I'll be doing is celebrating Obama's reelection and doing something Christmas related. I'm in favor of eating a whole lot around that time of year in any event.

"As to the aliens--we were "made in their image and in their likeness" like the Enuma Elish states."

I can believe that. Were you also aware that among many other civilizations the Navajo had a god with a space suit and helmet who supposedly visited Earth eons ago?

Goatman,

Are you going to man up, uh, 'alien up', and tell Bob you're not of this planetary system? I mean, what you're proposing is hardly fair with your space/time travel experience and all ...

By the way, where's Tosser? Lots of stuff going on in Pakistan today - mass shootings all over the place and chaos.

Looks like I'm on The List again. LOL Happens everytime I throw da bOoB overboard.

Waiting on you, bOoB. Why do you and only you get to set the conditions of the wager?

#239 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-15 01:49 AM | Reply | Flag

You made the challenge Punk Boy. I made statements about what might be some possible scenarios on Dec 21, 2012.

That means YOU set the conditions. How you figure otherwise is beyond me. Pay attention Punk Boy---one more time---you made the challenge and backed off your challenge.

Since these gods of the Mayans and Sumerians have the same source, and these gods are aliens, I believe that Dec 21, 2012 will be the day they reveal themselves to humanity, and tell us the reason for that revelation.

Other options would be a pole reversal that the alien scientists were able to predict---the explosion of a super volcano they had the capability to predict---or a gamma ray burst they had the capability to predict. Of them all, the gamma ray burst would kill the most people. Only those with an undergound living space and years of food supplies would survive.

As to the aliens--we were "made in their image and in their likeness" like the Enuma Elish states. I believe they are still among us in powerful places making decisions that have an effect on all humanity.

#35 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-10-13 12:02 AM | Reply | Flag

I was just making a statement about possible scenarios for 2012. You made the challenge that I was wrong---thus setting the parameters of the bet---starting the betting process---not me.

I'll bet you $1000 you are wrong. You have nothing to lose if you truly believe in your convictions.

We on?

#36 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-13 12:10 AM | Reply | Flag

That is YOU setting the conditions, based on my statements. That is YOU making the challenge. That is YOU setting the requirements for the bet---not me. That is YOU saying that those statements are wrong and that YOU want to bet $1000 that THOSE CONDITIONS ar wrong.

This is YOU weaseling out.

except for the looking like humans part

STicking point. I don't believe in parallel evolution and I don't believe we were created in anyone's image.

I'd say the chances of an intelligent alien race looking humanoid are , 1:1e10

#82 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-13 02:54 AM | Reply | Flag

You made the challenge that my statements are wrong--then you try to change your challenge.

If the odds are so long against them looking like us---why the hesitation?

You challenged my statements were wrong---then you back off your challenge--that's weaseling out Punk Boy.

I just downloaded Enuma Elish. Looks like very interesting reading. Thanks for referencing that, Bob.

. I made statements about what might be some possible scenarios on Dec 21, 2012.

That means YOU set the conditions.

LOL You can't make this stuff up.

If it makes any difference Punk Boy---I'll even lower the odds---you don't have to put up $5000---just put up the original $1000 to my $50. That's only 20-1 that one of the things I mentioned in the #77 post where we were in agreement on everything except the aliens looking like us, would happen. Again, the dates would be Dec21- Dec 23 since the dates are different in different parts of the world.

That means YOU set the conditions.

LOL You can't make this stuff up.

#265 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-15 02:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

It wasn't made up--it was shown to be factual with your own words Punk Boy. You made the challenge on what I said. That that is, is.

It wasn't made up

Exactly. LOL

#264 | Posted by Timex at 2009-10-15 02:50 AM | Reply | Flag

The man in this link has written 10 books about ancient history. He was raised in a Hebrew speaking household, and is one of the few who can read ancient cuneiform texts.He studied for 40 years before writing his first book in 1976. I've read all his books except for the most recent. He makes sense out of the history of mankind, treating the ancients like adult human beings rather than children who thought of dragons in the sky. The link gives a hint as to his insight into mankinds history. To get the full view of his intellect, read one of his books---see if you can stop with just one.

#268 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-15 03:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

Soooo---what's the story Punk Boy---how about a response to post #266.

Again, the dates would be Dec21- Dec 23 since the dates are different in different parts of the world.

As you pointed out in post 240 -- it is my challenge. I set the conditions.

I'll let you know in the next day or two what they are -- that is if you don't weasel out first. LOL

#269 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-10-15 03:14 AM

Ya. I've heard him on Coast to Coast AM before. Interesting guy. I'm looking forward to reading the Enuma Elish.

Soooo---what's the story Punk Boy---how about a response to post #266.

As you pointed out in your post #240, it is my challenge. Therefore, I get to set the conditions. I'll let you know what they are in a day or two.

Poor bOoB. Beat at his own game with his own words again. LOL

You've already weaseled out Punk Boy. If you want to start another bet, it will have no effect on your weaseling out of your challenge.

You've already weaseled out Punk Boy. If you want to start another bet, it will have no effect on your weaseling out of your challenge

hmm. So you get to set the conditions on my challenge? And if I don't accept them you say I am weaseling out? Because that is exactly what happened. That is what you are saying?

LOL

You're a funny little man, bOoB.

The Mayan calendar is a closed loop, not the edge of a cliff. It's the beginning and end to a cycle. Of what, humans no longer remember. I suspect a heavenly body of some sort that is on a fast but very eccentric orbit. Hopefully we shall all see.

~Ringmaster.

So not "The End of the World" per se?

More like "The End of the World as We Know It"?

* phew *

And Spud feels fine.

Be Well.

You made the challenge Punk Boy. You weaseled out. You should have kept your mouth shut if you didn't have the courage to back your challenge. Now you are just a Punk Boy.

You made the challenge Punk Boy.

True. So I get to set the conditions of the challenge - right?

You made the challenge Punk Boy.

True. So I get to set the conditions of the challenge - right?

#279 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-15 04:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

You can set conditions---I may or may not accept them. You made the challenge before, and conditions were agreed upon then you weaseled out of your challenge. Your challenges and conditions aren't to be taken seriously. Neither is anything else you say.

You can set conditions---I may or may not accept them.

Thank you, bOoB.

I made the condition in post 70 that you did not accept.

So tell me again how that means I'm weaseling out?

Keep lying. We are all amused.

C'mon, bOoB -- it's been over 5 minutes since you've danced you dance of lies for me. Please tell us another. We are awaiting anxiously.

I made the condition in post 70 that you did not accept.

So tell me again how that means I'm weaseling out?

Keep lying. We are all amused.

#281 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-15 05:04 AM | Reply | Flag

Gladly Punk Boy.

As to the aliens--we were "made in their image and in their likeness" like the Enuma Elish states.

#35 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-10-13 12:02 AM | Reply | Flag

I'll bet you $1000 you are wrong. You have nothing to lose if you truly believe in your convictions.

We on?

#36 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-13 12:10 AM | Reply | Flag

Then what happened? The weaseling starts.

1. Aliens reveal themselves to humanity

This has to be a "take me to your leader" (not literal words, of course) type event. I.E. no UFOs, nothing that looks like a human being (chances are practically nil of parallel evolution), and an irrefutable spaceship that has landed somewhere. It would have to prove itself with some sort of unforeknown technology -- but a spaceship would fit that bill

Agreed--except for the looking like humans part--Enuma Elish says we were made in their image and after their likeness. But they will be aliens, and no question about it--spaceship and everything.

You make a bet I am wrong--then try to change what the bet is all about and call me a liar. That's how you earned your new name Punk Boy.

Run your weasely ass down the road.

Not waiting on you.

;-)

Well, bOoB --

Everyone who has read this knows you are full of shit. I'll not waste anymore time on you.

You may call me weasel as much as you want. It's exactly the same as calling yourself a liar.

Go for it, liar.

LOL

I'm not calling you a weasel. I'm calling you Punk Boy. You make a challenge and back out of it when you are called on it. You earned the name Punk Boy.

"No one knows the future with any certainty. Goatman may be good for the $100,000 now but who knows about the future. Am I good for the $1000? I don't know that either. I think I can come up with the $50 and I think Goatman can come up with the $5000. But it isn't about the money"

You contradicted yourself in the same paragraph. Just because you claim it isn't about the money, doesn't mean you're telling the truth. Clearly, you're a weasel.

#226 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-10-15 01:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

Here I am a weasel for not accepting a bet I'm not sure I can pay. This is the same type of bet I offered you, and you declined---yet I'm a weasel, and you aren't because there was no bet made---well--there was no bet made in the part I declined either. You simply can't see the parallel. I proved it isn't about the money by saying I would accept his bet of 20 cents to my penny. I was alway willing to accept his challenge, as long as I was sure I could pay up if I lost.

"You have been shown to be a liar--posting only part of my post."

I posted the salient part. And then you posted the part which proved you a liar and a weasel. You're a laughingstock, and will no doubt weasel out of this.

"I'm still willing to make the bet---just in terms I am sure I can pay"

Oh, so it IS about the money, despite the fact you lied and said it wasn't. Thanks for proving my point.

#228 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-10-15 01:21 AM | Reply | Flag

Again, you fail to understand negotiation of terms and the finalizing of a bet, and backing out of a challenge. You seem to think that just because a bet was offered, not to accept the terms of that bet and negotiating other terms means you are backing out of the challenge. So I made you the same type of bet you accused me of weaseling out of, hoping you would finally realise that you aren't backing out of a challenge just because the terms aren't favorable.

You contradicted yourself in the same paragraph. Just because you claim it isn't about the money, doesn't mean you're telling the truth. Clearly, you're a weasel.

#226 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-10-15 01:18 AM | Reply | Flag

Here is the post where I offer you the same terms Punk Boy offered me---the same terms you accused me of weaseling out--finally you see that there is no bet made, and that to decline is not weaseling out of a challenge---but you still fail to apply the same criteria to me.

Making a bet is a thing of honor--money does have something to do with it. Just because I can't promise to have $1000 is not weaseling out. Weaseling out is backing out of the bet. Just because someone proposes a bet, it isn't a bet until both side agree. I made a statement and Punk Boy said I was wrong and would put up $1000. I declined on my ability to pay, but came up with a figure I was sure I could pay.

That is declining the amount of the wager--not declining the wager. If Punk Boy was willing to bet 100,000, then 5,000 should have been accepted easily. He weaseled out.

How about you? I offer you the same bet---you put up $5000, and I put up $50. Do we have a bet? Or will you weasel out?

#231 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-10-15 01:35 AM | Reply | Flag