And who says they don't have a democracy?

Fitting, coming from the area where the term, "scapegoat", originated.

Obama is taking notes

Speak out against the regime and you will be put to death. This ought to scare anyone from chiming in next time Ahmadinnerjacket steals an election. Pathetic that world leaders have not been more outspoken about what is going on with Iranian elections.

Theocracy at work. When you doubt the benefits of seperation of church and state just remember Iran.

#5 | Posted by danni at 2009-10-12 11:12 AM

I agree Danni. Too bad your hero doesn't.

Yeah Joe, Obama is trying to set up a communist theocracy run by fascists who worship Hitler.

Yeah Danni, that's what I said.

#6 | Posted by JOE at 2009-10-12 11:34 AM

You are kidding right. Every US president has acknowledged the Christian God rhetorically. In fact GWB stated that God talked to him and told him to invade Afghanistan/Iraq. Talk about your theocratic crusading fundamentalist whackos...

#9 | Posted by zulu at 2009-10-12 12:07 PM

Thanks for the link ZULU...

"In fact GWB stated that God talked to him and told him to invade Afghanistan/Iraq."

I know. And Obama sounds just like him.

REMEMBER NEDA!

"And Obama sounds just like him."

Riiiight.

#8 | Posted by JOE

Are you "Joe The Plumber", Joe?

#12 | Posted by JOE at 2009-10-12 12:32 PM
***"I know. And Obama sounds just like him."

Please explain. I hear Obama making reference to doing the right thing as God would want, as opposed to God talking directly to him and telling him to do something. And, given the outcome of GWB's "talk with God", I don't see how Obama referencing the almighty to rally support for the good of the our nation and world, while attempting to subtly dispel rumors that he is a Muslim is even comparable to GWB stating that God told him to go kill, maim and destroy, while bankrupting our economy...

The disparity seems obvious enough to me...

By saying "God is with us" and "wants us to do the right thing," he suggests that God is on his side and supports his agenda.

REMEMBER NEDA!

Wrong administration. Obama will not do or say anything to offend Ahmadinejad.

"REMEMBER NEDA!

Wrong administration. Obama will not do or say anything to offend Ahmadinejad.

#18 | Posted by zulu

UP YOURS DIPSHIT - go peddle this crap somewhere else.

The WHOLE REASON for the current uproar in Iran is almost DIRECTLY attributed to Obamas actions, FOOL!

Perhaps you have HEARD about the Obama speech in Cairo? If not go edumacate yourself and give it a listen.

The WHOLE REASON for the current uproar in Iran is almost DIRECTLY attributed to Obamas actions, FOOL! Perhaps you have HEARD about the Obama speech in Cairo? If not go edumacate yourself and give it a listen.

The situation in Iran was brewing long before Obama was a candidate.

"Obama will not do or say anything to offend Ahmadinejad."

YOu don't think threatening sanctions, insisting on inspectors, etc. offended Ahmadinejad. You don't think the comments he has made about the oppression of the opposition in Iran isn't offensive to him???
Just being unwilling to automatically attack Iran is not the same thing as being afraid of offending them.

I stand by my statement. Obama will say or do nothing to upset Tehran, at least until it is to late.

The community organizer is in way over his head.

"I stand by my statement. Obama will say or do nothing to upset Tehran, at least until it is to late.

The community organizer is in way over his head.

#22 | Posted by zulu

You don't HAVE a leg to stand on fool! GO ahead and run your mouth all you want.

#17 | Posted by JOE at 2009-10-12 12:54 PM
***"By saying "God is with us" and "wants us to do the right thing," he suggests that God is on his side and supports his agenda."

Yeah, like I said: Obama is doing what every American President has done by rhetorically referencing God as watching out for America, and being on our side...

Bush on the other hand, stated clearly that "God talked to him and told him to invade Afghanistan/Iraq". Then to make matters worse, Bush ACTUALLY BASED HIS FOREIGN POLICY ON THE ADVISE GIVEN BY THE VOICES IN HIS HEAD...

As anyone can see, there is no comparison...

That's when a bunch of "students" decided they'd had enough of the shah, SAVAK, and the CIA.

Students? Well we all know universities and professors are overwhelmingly libs.

Those damn Libs went and messed up Iran the same way ACORN and Obama are messing up the USA!

That's when a bunch of "students" decided they'd had enough of the shah, SAVAK, and the CIA.

That's a predictable result of installing a corrupt and heavy-handed puppet government... and a lesson that can be learned from. Meddling in the affairs of other governments for short term gain can come back to bite you.

Now, I find it interesting that these 3 will be executed and this is being made public knowledge. The Iranian government has already killed dozens of protesters and said not a word about it. These 3 allegedly have ties to pretty nasty groups and are likely being executed to discredit the rest of the protest movement, demonstrate the strength of the government, and make the judicial process seem "fair" in the eyes of others.

ZH - It seems there's never a middle ground in that part of the world - the choices generally fall into dictatorship, puppet regime or theocracy.

The Third World came about first.

The Old World was second, and not as old.

The New World is the Third World, numerically speaking.

#22 | Posted by zulu at 2009-10-12 01:41 PM
***"I stand by my statement. Obama will say or do nothing to upset Tehran, at least until it is to late."

This is because Obama, unlike Bush, is a smart, tactful and diplomatic negotiator; if you want something from someone you don't go throwing around rhetoric, (as GWB did), that will come back and bite you in the ass, (as it did to GWB), forcing you to act or look like an impotent windbag if you don't (as GWB did). Just because Obama isn't throwing around threats doesn't mean he isn't effectively affecting Iranian policy. It just means that the subtly of his approach is beyond the grasp of those that lack the skills necessary to manage the foreign policy as the POTUS, (as GWB did).

***"The community organizer is in way over his head."

Well, "the community organizer" is enjoying 56% approval ratings by the American People, so I guess that he's doing something right, eh?

Is nuance lost on Joe, or is he purposely being thick in order to get a rise out of Obama-supporters?

Discuss.

"The New World is the Third World, numerically speaking."

Time for a reminder of Columbus's "new world" in keeping with the holiday.

However, the Taino turned out not to be particularly good workers in the plantations that the Spaniards and later the French established on Hispaniola: they resented their lands and children being taken, and attempted to fight back against the invaders. Since the Taino where obviously standing in the way of Spain's progress, Columbus sought to impose discipline on them. For even a minor offense, an Indian's nose or ear was cut off, se he could go back to his village to impress the people with the brutality the Spanish were capable of. Columbus attacked them with dogs, skewered them with pikes, and shot them.

Eventually, life for the Taino became so unbearable that, as Pedro de Cordoba wrote to King Ferdinand in a 1517 letter, "As a result of the sufferings and hard labor they endured, the Indians choose and have chosen suicide. Occasionally a hundred have committed mass suicide. The women, exhausted by labor, have shunned conception and childbirth... Many, when pregnant, have taken something to abort and have aborted. Others after delivery have killed their children with their own hands, so as not to leave them in such oppressive slavery."

"Is nuance lost on Joe, or is he purposely being thick in order to get a rise out of Obama-supporters?"

Yes.

Columbus was a total and complete failure who should be forgotten by history.

Did he make it to India? Nope
Did he make it to America? Nope
Did he get his trade route from England to India? Nope
Did he discover anything? Yes, marketing since so many think he discovered America.

FF for Kanrei

Barry said he would be glad to talk with these Iranian thugs without pre-conditions. Did Obama embolden them?

#36 | Posted by fwthom at 2009-10-12 02:24 PM

Possibly, but they were already pretty f'n emboldened by our last administrations approach, so I don't think to any real measurable degree. Obama's action served to do one thing; open up the possibility of a dialogue with a country whose policies we want to have some influence over. And, influence is difficult to pedal without dialogue...

"Did Obama embolden them?"

Seemed more like he emboldened the people who went out and protested. Ahmadinijad and the Mullahs were going to do whatever they needed to do to retain power regardless of anything our leaders do.

"God is with us and He wants us to do the right thing."
-Barack Obama

"When people work together, there is nothing that can stop us because that's God's intention."
-Barack Obama

"We are God's partners in matters of life and death."
-Barack Obama

#6 | Posted by JOE at 2009-10-12 11:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

RIIIIGHT!

Because those words are EXACTLY the same as having Clerics pulling the strings.

Sure.

Back on topic, most of my Persian friends here in SF and LA and in Tehran think that this is going to backfire on the Clerics, much as the Shah executing a half dozen students in late 1978 started the student riots.

Stay tuned.

Hope you're right LEFTCOAST.

Iran is similar to China (&Texas) in this respect.

^.^

By way of correction...

"Obama's action served to do one thing; open up the possibility of a dialogue with a country whose policies we won't have any influence over."

Appeasement throughout history never deviates dictators from their policies and their directions. In fact, they see it as weakness and ultimately forces the appeasor to react later and ups the ante as far as response and subsequent pain and loss of life.

Iran could win both the PR battle and the war if they used some common sense instead of absurd policy.

If they have actually sentenced to death protesters in the election they are going to lose any broad based support that they might have.

But the facts here need to be fully substantiated by both neutral and pro-Iranian forces, not by just the US media which as we know is anti-Iran. Our media is full of propaganda BS as well as the Iran media. We need facts not propaganda.

#44 | Posted by matsop at 2009-10-12 05:27 PM
***"Appeasement throughout history never deviates dictators from their policies and their directions. In fact, they see it as weakness and ultimately forces the appeasor to react later and ups the ante as far as response and subsequent pain and loss of life."

While that may be true, "appeasement" is a far cry from "dialogue". And, it is a far cry from "establishing" said dialogue. And, wielding influence in Iranian political policy is a far cry from "appeasement" as-well...

"Strength through peace" doesn't necessarily imply weakness...

Well, "the community organizer" is enjoying 56% approval ratings by the American People, so I guess that he's doing something right, eh?

Please do tell what Obama has done that's 'right'? Changed the tone? Really?

And you're bragging about a 56% approval rating. When I was in college 56% was an 'F'.

"When I was in college 56% was an 'F'."

What an amazingly stupid comparison.

In politics, 56% is what they call a "landslide" or a "mandate".

And for a hitter in baseball, they call it "The Hall of Fame".

"Strength through peace" doesn't necessarily imply weakness...

Right, that's how the Polish diplomats stopped the Germans from invading invading in 1939.

What an amazingly stupid comparison.

And yet you were able to provide two even more less intelligent comparisons in less than a minute.

Congratulations.

Right, that's how the Polish diplomats stopped the Germans from invading invading in 1939.

Strike one 'invading'.

Thanks.

"And yet you were able to provide two even more less intelligent comparisons in less than a minute."

I was merely showing how stupid it is use a meaningless statistic in a completely different arena.

Thanks for proving my point.

"two even more less intelligent comparisons"

Huh? One of them was directly on point.

What a fuckin' idiot.

I was merely showing how stupid it is use a meaningless statistic in a completely different arena.

And for your effort I bestow upon you a score of 56%.

(you failed)

The Obama Doctrine - Strength through Appeasement

Post #46--- "appeasement is a far cry from "dialogue" Well, Neville Chamberlain prior to WW2 established dialogues with both Mussolini's Italy and Hitler's Germany. That "dialogue" led to a couple of treaties, one of them the Munich Pact. As we well know those pacts were ignored by those dictators and they did as they pleased-- that's the history of appeasement of sick rulers and always will be.

And you're bragging about a 56% approval rating. When I was in college 56% was an 'F'.

#47 | Posted by zulu

Reagan's was 48% at this point in his Presidency

"And for your effort I bestow upon you a score of 56%.
(you failed)"

Except in politics, you moron. Remember...the subject at hand?!?

In that arena, 56% is a win. Big time.

But keep digging that hole deeper. Please.

Except in politics, you moron. Remember...the subject at hand?!?

Actually, Danny Boy, the subject is 'Iran to Execute 3 Election Protesters'.

#49 | Posted by zulu at 2009-10-12 10:27 PM
***"Right, that's how the Polish diplomats stopped the Germans from invading invading in 1939."

Yeah... The Germans were a larger and much more powerful "invading army". Last time I checked we weren't under threat of Iranian invasion, and their army isn't larger nor more powerful than the US'...

Yup, I googled it; no Iranian invasion of American planned...

So, what was your point again???

Oh that's right, and American president has to be a war monger to be a strong president...

Okay... I don't agree with that...

#47 | Posted by zulu at 2009-10-12 10:21 PM
***"And you're bragging about a 56% approval rating. When I was in college 56% was an 'F'."

So... Then you must admit that with a 26% approval rating GWB was a complete retard, right???

As you well know, "approval ratings" and "college test scores" are a completely different thing...

But, I agree with you that GWB was still a complete retard...