Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Wednesday, September 30, 2009

Kate Harding: Roman Polanski raped a child. Let's just start right there, because that's the detail that tends to get neglected when we start discussing whether it was fair for the bail-jumping director to be arrested at age 76, after 32 years in "exile" (which in this case means owning multiple homes in Europe, continuing to work as a director, marrying and fathering two children, even winning an Oscar, but never -- poor baby -- being able to return to the U.S.). Let's keep in mind that Roman Polanski gave a 13-year-old girl a Quaalude and champagne, then raped her, before we start discussing whether the victim looked older than her 13 years, or that she now says she'd rather not see him prosecuted because she can't stand the media attention. Before we discuss how awesome his movies are or what the now-deceased judge did wrong at his trial, let's take a moment to recall that according to the victim's grand jury testimony, Roman Polanski instructed her to get into a jacuzzi naked, refused to take her home when she begged to go, began kissing her even though she said no and asked him to stop; performed cunnilingus on her as she said no and asked him to stop; put his penis in her vagina as she said no and asked him to stop; asked if he could penetrate her anally, to which she replied, "No," then went ahead and did it anyway, until he had an orgasm. Can we do that?

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But Whoopie says it wasn't really "rape rape", so it must be OK, right?

She'll get a pass from her liberal buddies, but could you IMAGINE the outrage from the left had a white male made such a statement. Make this white male a conservative and they would already be preparing the spit for his slow roasting.

Oh those nagging little details...

Here is an elite member of society who has escaped justice.

Justice delayed is justice denied. I can see why the victim feels this issue continues to hurt her but society needs to be protected.

You can only hope this rapist has not had a chance to commit other atrocities while he has been free from the long arm of the law.

Just amazing. Everyone is up in arms about
pedophiles, especially Priests and rightly so.
Yet, many of these same people are willing to
give Polanski a pass. Just because he's a famous
and accomplished director. He should be forced
to face justice like anyone else.

He must go to prison.

The defense of this guy--even on the DR here--just beggars belief. I can't get over it.

Hey... Roman is a celeb. Drugging and sodmizing a 13 year is ok.

Look, I consider myself a liberal but this guy needs to face up to what he did and do his time. And frankly, I cannot think of anything Society can do to him that comes even close to what he did to that child and I don't care how long ago it was. I bet, to that woman, it happened moments ago, especially in her dreams at night. There is no 'pass' for child molestors.

cool - he will die in prison, after being repeatedly brutally raped.

I am very very happy today.

Count me as another liberal who thinks this piece of shit should do time.

What is it with the hollywood crowd wanting this perv exonerated and free from justice? I've yet to see a rational argument from them that justifies their position. And the petition?? As soon as you see that fuck woody allen on the list, you start to understand...incestuous pedophile supporting another pedophile rapist.

Hey raping a girl helped with his creative genius, the fact that he was this type of person helped him make the masterpieces that enriched our society. Show him praise not prison.
The Hollywood Left

But Whoopie says it wasn't really "rape rape", so it must be OK, right?

Her remark is repulsive and ought to spark a boycott of The View. The way so many celebrities are speaking out to defend this child rapist is disgusting. The fact that Roman Polanski is an accomplished filmmaker does not mean that it was OK for him to rape a 13-year-old.

Goldberg, star of The Color Purple and Sister Act, said: "I know it wasn't rape-rape. I think it was something else, but I don't believe it was rape-rape.

You can't make up stuff like this. Goldberg lost it a long time ago. She was a perfect fit on the view with the other looneys. Except for the hot blonde.

The transcipts include shocking details of 13-year-old Geimer testifying that the 43-year-old Polanski plied her with champagne and part of a Quaalude before performing oral, vaginal and anal intercourse on her, despite her demands to "keep away."


Yeah, this guy should go free. Who the f could defend this guy now?

Oh, but he makes great movies. - the hollywood left

Evil is not just breaking some code, like driving 21 mph in a 15 mph school zone, evil is a living entity, crouching and waiting to pounce, that desires us, wants to master us (Genesis 4:7).

And it has taken residence in some here on DR...

FURIO thinks it is OK to rape 13 year old children. You just have to be popular among the hollywood/liberal elite, and everything is A-OK.

Ain't that right FURIO?

Having said that, I some how have doubts that FURIO would be even SLIGHTLY forgiving if a conservative did the same thing.

Of course, ANTICADILLAC is the one who has REALLY figured everything out. ITS ALL ISREAL'S FAULT. Yep, a pervert rapes a child in California, but that is OK, because Isreal and the U.S. ARE GUILTY. Anyone going after the pervert is 'actually' involved in the 'warcrimes' that Isreal commits when Isreal so unreasonably tries to do something about Hezbolla rockets. (ANTICADILLAC knows that the Jews need to die anyway, so defending themselves is an obvious war crime....)

So, Woody Allen is one of his defenders. Didn't he make that movie back in the late 80's or early 90's called "Honey, I Fucked The Kids".

#17 Did Pete Townsend write the soundtrack to that film?

"The way so many celebrities are speaking out to defend this child rapist is disgusting. The fact that Roman Polanski is an accomplished filmmaker does not mean that it was OK for him to rape a 13-year-old."

Yeah...but that's not half so bad as tapping your foot in a rest room stall, is it? Hell, I bet Polanski could run for governor of Massachusetts and win. Well, maybe not. It was a girl he raped, not a young page boy. THAT would have been OK for sure.

Earth to JESTGETTINALONG:

The foot-tapper was looking for consensual sex. Sex that never happened.

The naughty messages to the pages did not result in physical contact of any kind. It never happened.

Your attempt at moral equivalence of common gay behavior and an actual rape is pathetic.

Rcade,

Kudos to you for the creation of this thread.

This monster deserves to be incarcerated in accordance to a ruling never served.

Thankfully some on the left take the rape oF A 13-year old girl seriously.

This wasn't a 16-year-old boy banging an extremely hot 25-year old teacher - this girl begged this asshole to stop and he continued thrusting away.

Here comes a dumpable moment...

To anybody defending this asshole: I sincerely hope your daughter experiences the exact same thing.

Rape rape, is is...what's the difference.

Goldberg, star of The Color Purple and Sister Act, said: "I know it wasn't rape-rape. I think it was something else, but I don't believe it was rape-rape.

When she made this comment Whoopi was referring to what Polanski pled guilty to. Under the terms of his plea agreement the charges of rape were dropped.

If you agree with the plea bargain or not, Polanski is only an "alleged rapist" in the terms of news coverage. She never suggested that what he did was any less despicable or illegal, she was just trying to focus the conversation onto the question of if he should be extradited on the grounds of the crime that we know he is guilty of because he pled guilty to it.

Whoopie is old school. If the victim didn't fight back until losing consciousness, it isn't "rape rape".

Actually, I think her views can't really be "old school" because people who think this way don't typically have schools..... Maybe we can say her views are "old hut" or something like that.

"The foot-tapper was looking for consensual sex. Sex that never happened."

I'm very aware of that, but from all the screeching by my little leftist-socialist friends you would have thought both rape and murder took place.

"The naughty messages to the pages did not result in physical contact of any kind. It never happened."

You're talking about Foley...I was thinking of Rep. Gerry Studds who took the young page to Morrocco where it was legal to bugger young boys. Look it up, it happened long ago. Our little friends reelected him three or four times.

"Your attempt at moral equivalence of common gay behavior and an actual rape is pathetic."

Good Lord, Dinsey, cut me some slack. Do you not recognize sarcasm?

Sometimes I criticize people who see the world in black and white, when I know the world is complicated and often full of gray. But not this time. This case is black and white, in my opinion -- much like the 1965 film Polanski directed, appropriately named "Repulsion," which, somewhat ironically, deals with a girl who is repulsed by sex-crazed men. Polanski is lucky the victim didn't attack him with a razor the way Catherine Deneuve offed the predator begging her for just one kiss.


He must go to prison.

#4 | Posted by chickenrancher at 2009-09-30 09:27 AM

Hate to burst your bubble Mysterytoy, but I don't believe he was ever tried.

I could be wrong.

Under the terms of his plea agreement the charges of rape were dropped.

Link? And a reputable one please all the reliable sources I've looked at say Polanski served 42 days for psychiatric evaluation in order to determine final sentencing. The only reneging was him skipping out after promising to appear in court.

I sincerely doubt that even CA considered 42 days as a "fair" sentence for child rape in the late 70's.

Also I'm glad that rcade is on the correct side on this particular issue

So, Woody Allen is one of his defenders. Didn't he make that movie back in the late 80's or early 90's called "Honey, I Fucked The Kids".

#17 | Posted by Redman at 2009-09-30 09:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

I think it was called "honey, i fucked and married our daughter".

I guess MacKenzie Philip's 15-minute-perv fame has officially ended. I wonder who next week's sicko will be after Polanski?

Polanski is scum. However if the victim says enough is enough then it is time to let it go. If all continued efforts do is bring more pain to a woman who has turned out ok despite everything then maybe it is time to let it go.

Justice is more than just punishment, it is about taking care of the victim rehabilitating the offender and yes punishment. Now the victim says the best way to take care of her is to let it go. The offender is too old to stick it anywhere without a truck load of viagra and so only punishment is missing and there is a chance that pushing for punishment will conflict with victims rights here.

Gotta say not really a fan of his movies either to be frank.


Chinatown was good because of Jack and Rosemary's Baby was just alright. The rest of his list sucks. The guy has lived off two things his entire life- raping a little girl and the murder of his wife.

there is a chance that pushing for punishment will conflict with victims rights here.

#31 | Posted by TaoWarrior

There's no need for a trial here. He was already convicted and fled while awaiting sentencing. Just bring him back, sentence him, and send him off to meet his new boyfriends.

Firstly, with at most a couple of exceptions, I don't see anybody, Left or Right, defending this guy's actions. There seems pretty clear consensus.

More interestingly become the questions of what role should the victim's current desrires play in the sentence which the court will pass? The victim clearly is not seeking lengthy incarceration for Polanski. Should a judge ignore her wishes? After all, she is primary victim. For her what actually occurred is not some abstraction. No philosophies on criminal or social justice need come into play for her.
For the rest of us, we are offended as third party observers. Our sense of justice is offended if he gets a free walk. We point to concerns such as 'deterrence for other would-be offenders', or 'protecting Society' in general.
Should our third party outrage trump the wishes of the victim who actually went through the ordeal?

I wonder who next week's sicko will be after Polanski?

#30 | Posted by Diablo at 2009-09-30 10:48 AM |


One of the Kardashian sluts?

The term rot in hell applies to this animal. The prison he should go to is a zoo. Put him in the male gorilla cage with his backside all musked up. If he makes it out alive, he can tell us then what his sentence should be.

Her remark is repulsive and ought to spark a boycott of The View. #12 | Posted by rcade at 2009-09-30 09:50 AM


AND ONCE AGAIN>>>I am the frontrunner and ahead of the curve.
I have been boycotting that piece of shit show since it started.,..

ah yes..............its nice to be so proactive and ahead of your time....

and as a law and order guy..

its nice to see so many libs here denounce this lousy pile of garbage.

Tao:

I have to disagree with you.

Polansky plead guilty. He needed to be sentenced and fled.

Making him serve his time is not violating the victims rights.

I find it odd that she's stating that pushing this issue will cause pain to her and her family when she participated in an HBO documentary about this which will be shown over and over.

If her reasoning is that to continuie would cause undo stress to her why would she be part of that documentary??

Money??

I don't believe she will have to appear in court for sentencing.

Also, by not wanting Polansky punished for his crime, what message is she sending to her children? That crime isn't punishable? That by breaking the law and fleeing for 25 years or more gives a criminal a free pass?

No. Polansky needs to serve the time.

Btw...the comment you made about being too old to stick it anywhere....need I remind you that many men have fathered children well into their 80's??

And that shouldn't be a factor in punishing a criminal for their actions.

Whoopi says it wasnt rape rape, just drugging a 13 years while he was 44, and raped her, so if this was your child would it be rape rape or just sex with a minor?

#38

Why would you be suprised??

So you think that only republicans have the monopoly on common sense, decency and a sense of right and wrong??

Good grief! Is there no issue that you aren't a partisan fool?

Just wondering.

"However if the victim says enough is enough then it is time to let it go."

That isn't how the justice system works. He pled guilty to a crime and then he fled. Why would he deserve to be let off more than any other fugitive?

And all this crap about the victim wanting things quiet is bullshit anyway. If the courts were to let him off that would be an even bigger story and the graphic details of what happened to her would be exploited even more.

And what exactly constitutes "enough" in this case? He wasn't punished at all. The "exile" his apologists go on about was self imposed. The US wanted him back the whole time.

#42

Sully is right.

Lisa,

Lets see so she said no no and Polanski ignored her. Now once again she says no no and the US Justice system ignores her, now I'm no psycologist but it seems to me that we might be doing the same thing 31 years later.

Lets see so she said no no and Polanski ignored her. Now once again she says no no and the US Justice system ignores her, now I'm no psycologist but it seems to me that we might be doing the same thing 31 years later.

#44 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2009-09-30 11:32 AM |

Interesting and something I did not consider.

I'm no psycologist but it seems to me that we might be doing the same thing 31 years later.


#44 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2009-09-30 11:32 AM |


Actually it's Polanski, not "we". Had he not fled this would not be required.

Besides, has anyone considered that there may have been some financial transactions between Polanski and the gitl he raped?

Justice delayed is justice denied. I know that because some PI Atty has that in his radio commercial...

Tao:

The first time she said no no...that is her choice and only hers.

The second no no, is not hers to make.

Sweetie, this man needs to be punished. All that needs to happen is Polansky sentenced and cell door closed. She won't have to testify.

She has already been through the roughest part. If they would just get him in court, all this WOULD end!!

Tao:

Raping a victim again comes during the initial reporting of this crime, being questioned.

It happens again if there is a trial.

But in no way does it happen again at sentencing.

Besides, has anyone considered that there may have been some financial transactions between Polanski and the gitl he raped?

There were. He paid her off in an undisclosed out-of-court settlement.

Raping a victim again comes during the initial reporting of this crime, being questioned.


It happens again if there is a trial.


But in no way does it happen again at sentencing.

Posted by Lisa at 2009-09-30 11:40 AM | Reply

I hate to disagree with a Woman but during victim impact statements doesn't the victim have to relive that dastardly moment when She or He pleads for whatever punishment they wish the State to dish out??

Larry

"Besides, has anyone considered that there may have been some financial transactions between Polanski and the gitl he raped?"

Sending him to jail isn't doing anything to her. The best thing she could do to stay out of the news would be to stop talking to reporters.

I think establishing that the rich can avoid punishment for raping kids is a horrible precedent. How about you?


I think there may be a lot more to it than just being a "Hollywood Elite", although my theory has a lot of overlap. I was surprised by the list of people that came out in his support ranging from ultra Libs like Whoopie Goldberg to ultra Cons like Michael Savage (last night on his radio program). Then it dawned on me when I went back and read the list of his biggest supporters.

Whoopie
Woodie
The Weinstien brothers
Michaal Savage (aka Michael Wiener)
Stephen Frears

What do these big names have in common (other than Hollywood/Entertainment)? Go down the list of names on the petition, you will find a pattern, not all of them, but an overwhelming majority.

Personally, I think Polanski should be brought back to the US and given chemical castration and put on the registered sex offender list. On top of that, he should spend the rest of his life in prison for fleeing the country. Frankly, if he is not extradited, I hope someone hires Dog the Bounty Hunter to go get this pedophile and bring him to justice.

Lets see so she said no no and Polanski ignored her. Now once again she says no no and the US Justice system ignores her, now I'm no psycologist but it seems to me that we might be doing the same thing 31 years later.

#44 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2009-09-30 11

I think we all should be reminded that he also gave her some sort of drug...surely that is also a part of the crime.

Of course goodlittlenazi implies Jewish conspiracy above. He ignores the fact Michael Savage says some of the most outrageous anti-Jewish stuff on air I've ever heard (like when I heard him call George Soros the "kind of Jew that caused the Holocaust" once).
But details matter little to the anti-religious nuts out there.

To those who want victims to be able to let rapist go free.

You all APPROVE of allowing rich rapists to pay money hungry parents for the right to rape their children.

Step 1: Rich Hollywood liberal pervert want to molest child.

Step 2: Pervert finds money hungry parents of suitably cute child.

Step 3: Pervert and money hungry parents agree on amount of pay for them to "forgive" perverted act on their kid.

Step 4: Pervert rapes kids

Step 5: Pervert pays parents

Step 6: Parents "forgive" pervert

Step 7: Hollywood liberals claim it was not "rape rape".

I see all these people condemning Polanski, and I agree, but they also show a tremendous amount of hypocrisy by letting someone who thinks like them and holds the same POLITICAL views have a pass.

HW Bush has had Books written about his pedophilia, and child rapes, yet many on this thread have defended him. How does that work? Why does Polanski get reviled, and HW Bush still receives hero status? After books written, Newspaper accounts, victim accounts, and eyewitness accounts---why does is HW Bush still walking the streets, and why do these same people who condemn Polanski defend HW Bush?

The Discovery Channel was about to air a program on the pedophilia ring in Washington, but it was pulled at the last minute, and was supposed to be destroyed. A copy was saved, and posted on youtube. Here is a link to that video. The video quality is poor, but the content is strong.

www.youtube.com

Newspaper accounts--this was squashed very quickly.

www.propagandamatrix.com

Books written

www.amazon.com

www.amazon.com

www.amazon.com

Eyewitness and victim acount

www.youtube.com

More, for those who really want to know.

mindprod.com

My question remains---why do so many condemn Polanski, and give HW Bush their best defense? I'm talking about these people.

1. Dinsey
2. Monstman
3. Tiger150
4. Chickenrancher
5. Rightisright
6. Turd_Ferguson
7. DawnGlo
8. 8roper
9. cbob
10. panchovilla
11. fishpaw
12. rcade
13. ELCIDCE90
14. USAF242
15. Redman
16. jestgettinalong
17. JeffJ
18. KBM
19. Sully
20. Gimme_a_Scotch
21. Diablo
22. NonDLR
23. afkabl2
24. Lisa
25. scooter28054
26. 101Chairborne
27. goodlittlenazi

I agree that Polanski is scum, and should be punished. But how many of you on that list can look at your post about Polanski and apply it to HW Bush? How many on that list will come out and defend HW Bush? Let's see the hypocrites speak. Let's hear your outrage against someone whose political views coincide with your own. I think the silence will be deafening, except for those defending this child rapist--HW Bush.

Hey it's not like my opinion has the least bearing on the case. Frankly if you had asked me I would have flown to france and shot his shit off any time.

My only concern is that if we show we don't care what a victim's feelings are then why would a victim come forward in the future?

Thankfully some on the left take the rape oF A 13-year old girl seriously.

Maybe I missed it, but I haven't seen anyone HERE defending this creep, polanski.

4 posters have made reference to such a "lefty" defense. Where is it?

All I see is people of both sides of the spectrum here bashing a child rapist. Rightly so.

USAF,

If that 13 year old girl was still a minor then you might have a point. That 13 year old girl is now 45, I think she might be mature enough by now to make that decision for herself without her parents.

BUFFALO BOB

You are WORSE than a knuckle dragging drolling moron.

Such a moron is not always a bad person. YOU ARE.

Even if Bush was fully guilty of EVERYTHING you claim he is guilty of, and guilty in the worst possible way, and confessed, and on film, and in frount of 10,000 nuns at eye witnesses.....

....IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH POLANSKI RAPING CHILDREN YOU GOD DAMN KNUCKLE DRAGGING MORON.

You post is PROOF of the Bush Did It Derangement Syndrome.

Polanski rapes children in the 1970s??? BUSH IS GUILTY!!!!

YOU IDIOT. THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE LACKS THE ABILITY TO DESCRIBE YOUR LEVEL OF DELUSIONAL STUPIDITY.

TAOWARRIOR

Good point. You are PARTLY correct.

My logic was indeed flawed.

So, what you are saying is that if a pervert can avoid jail until the kid gets to 18, then pay the kid off, ITS ALL OK????????

IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?

I think what Tao is saying is that the victim in this case has lived 31 years getting to some sense of peace with this and now, suddenly, it is brought back out into the open and once again she is an unwilling center of a raging media storm. Her rights are being ignored in the name of justice. I can see that point.

#56

Recant your claim that my name should be included in your ridiculous post or prove where I have defended HW Bush regarding anything close to this.

I voted for the man once prior to any knowledge that pertained to his past personal life.

You were not to mention me, address me in any of your posts per our aggreement.

Hypocrite.

USAF242

I agree--it has nothing to do with Polanski raping a child. It has everything to do with your support of someone who thinks like you getting a pass for child rape. You support a child rapist as long as they are a conservative. I accept your hate, and wear it as a badge of honor. Your support of the child rapist HW Bush is noted, as is your hypocrisy. You prove my point.

How many more on that list will step into USAF242's shoes?

RE: #56 | Posted by Buffoon_Boob

Your groundless pedophile accusations against Geo H. W. Bush are by far your most offensive. It makes you nothing but a scumbag gossipmonger Boob do yourself a favor and go climb back under your rock and reflect on your existence maybe you'll evolve after some serious soul-searching though I doubt it.

Kanrei

That it is painful for the victim is a good point.

But pian for the victim CAN NEVER be an ACCEPTABLE excuse to let a rapist walk (not saying it never happens, but when it does, IT IS ALWAYS WRONG).

#57

What's going to stop victims coming forward in the future are attitudes like this woman.

Why would anyone come forward when they have seen that the perp is going to walk with no punishment.

You need to understand the ordeal a woman goes through with just reporting the crime, then rehashing it again during a trial, not to mention the line of questioning by the defense attorney.

No woman wants to go through that just to see a man get a free pass because he flees for 25 years.

Which is why my eyebrow is raisewd as to why this woman wants things dropped.

There's more to this.

Regardless, what you used as an example to help victims Tao will actually hurt them.

This woman is NOT helping future victims.

BUFFALO BOB

Obviously you have some sort of Dan Rather type charge against Bush. Heck, maybe its even a TRUE charge.

YOU FUCKING IDIOT, YOU'D IGNORE A PERVERT RAPING CHILDREN JUST TO TRY AND GET ANYTHING, ANYTHING AT ALL, TO STICK TO BUSH.

YOU, BUFFALO BOB, are a filthy piece of child rape APPROVING trash, so long as it lets you advance your political agenda.

#56 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob

I read the article from the Washington post, it said male prostitutes, not child prostitutes. No different than Barney Frank?!?!?

Recant your claim that my name should be included in your ridiculous post or prove where I have defended HW Bush regarding anything close to this.

Not condemning a child rapist is support for a child rapist.

I voted for the man once prior to any knowledge that pertained to his past personal life.

You have that knowledge now--I still see no condemnation

You were not to mention me, address me in any of your posts per our aggreement.

You are mistaken. I said I wouldn't talk to you unless you spoke to me first--and even then I might ignore you. I never said I wouldn't talk ABOUT you or repond to a point you were making. You forget--I make the rules--not you. You can only request.

Hypocrite.

UMMM I think that label belongs to you unless you can condemn HW Bush with the same zeal and venom you applied towards Polanski. So far you deflect such condemnation towards me. Proving my point. Join USAF242 in the support of a child rapist.

#63 | Posted by Lisa at 2009-09-30 12:37 PM | Reply | Flag

...what role should the victim's current desrires play in the sentence which the court will pass? -- #34 | Posted by moder8

That's something that weighs on my mind, too.

In this particular case, I've read and re-read her statements, and the theme that keeps coming through is the damage the recurring publicity does to her and her family. What that says to me is that there needs to be legislation preventing the courts and the media from using her name. I'm incredulous that juvenile offenders' records are sealed, but the name of a girl who was raped at 13 has been splashed through the papers for thirty years.

More generally, as seriously as I take Tao's concern about re-injury (loss of power, etc.), I keep coming back to the following:

(1) In grad school a friend who was cornered in a parking garage by one of our profs, who told her he wouldn't write recommendations for her any more if she didn't spend the night with him, refused publicly to demand that he be prosecuted for sexual harassment. Privately, she was openly afraid that she'd be portrayed as hysterical and vindictive, and would never get a job in academia. She was devastated that the other faculty members she worked with didn't take action on her behalf. (The prof -- one slick PR guy -- ADMITTED what he did, asked his colleagues for forgiveness, talked about his sins before God and his work on the issue with his pastor, and, heck, he got a lot of grant funding...)

(2) Can a victim tell you a rapist should be locked up for life without telling you why -- i.e., telling you how serious the damage is/was, etc.? Many don't want to dwell on this themselves, much less have it be the entirety of their public identities. (Really, it's a lot more serious than admitting you need to lose 5 pounds, and how many people do you know who are in denial about THAT?)

(3) Doesn't look like I'm the only one who thinks we as a society DO NOT WANT CHILDREN TO BE RAPED -- which means we need to send strong signals and enforce strong punishment. There's good reason to believe that wouldn't happen if you relied on victims to determine the punishments -- the psychology of crimes like sexual abuse and spousal abuse predisposes victims to low self-esteem and unwarranted leniency toward their abusers. (Look up Stockholm Syndrome. For a better understanding of post- date rape dynamics, check out "I Never Called It Rape." Talk to ANYONE who knows/ has known a battered wife or husband.)

fwiw.

According to Buffalo Bob, if at any time, a pervert rapes a child, it cannot be condemned, unless all debating parties FIRST agree that BUSH IS GUILTY.

#62

Kan:

The woman participated in a documentary about this...for HBO!!

If she wanted to forget about this why would she participate in something that's going to be used in reruns?????

Not logical.

Again....she is creating more talk about this by not wanting Polansky to serve the time he SHOULD serve.

She won't need to be in court for the sentencing.

Why is she creating the stir??

I read the article from the Washington post, it said male prostitutes, not child prostitutes. No different than Barney Frank?!?!?

#69 | Posted by boojiboy at 2009-09-30 12:46 PM | Reply | Flag

That was early on--all that facts were not known, and the newspaper accounts were squashed quickly. I guess you ignore the rest of the links. Since HW Bush is one of your own, you give him a pass, and don't want any investigation. Join USAF242, and Lisa in your support of a pedophile. There is more testimony and eyewitnesses and victims against HW Bush than against Polanski. The list grows.

Those who condemn Polanski as a child rapist, yet give HW Bush a pass on child rape.

1. USAF242
2. Lisa
3. Boojiboy

BUFFALO BOB

According to BOOJIBOY, the charge he thinks you are refereing to is paid sex with male prostitutes, NOT raping children?

If so, you are even more of a piece of shit than I was saying you are.

Keep in mind, I have no problem driving around a college town as the straight guy in a car full gays while singing along to Puff the Magic Dragon.

BUFFALO BOB, YOU ARE FILTH.

Bob:

First you accuse me of child abuse, now you accuse me of supporting a supposed pervert with not one damn bit of proof of either..

I'm flagging that post.

You are one sick man!!

"My question remains---why do so many condemn Polanski, and give HW Bush their best defense? I'm talking about these people."

Nobody owes you an answer because you are full of shit.

In fact, unless you can show how each person you listed on the list defended HW Bush for being a pedophile - which I have never even heard of before today - then you should admit to being a liar and apologize to everyone.

But you won't. Because you're crazy and amoral.



According to Buffalo Bob, if at any time, a pervert rapes a child, it cannot be condemned, unless all debating parties FIRST agree that BUSH IS GUILTY.

#72 | Posted by USAF242 at 2009-09-30 12:47 PM | Reply | Flag

Not at all. My point is that child rape is horrific no matter WHO does it. None should get a pass. You support HW Bush raping children. That makes you almost as bad as he is. Add hypocrisy to the make-up of your soul.

"To anybody defending this asshole: I sincerely hope your daughter experiences the exact same thing."

That's fucking awesome. Because someone says something stupid, you want his or her daughter to face emotional scarring for life. How very evolved of you.

Oh, you were joking. Then you're a stupid asshole, rather than an evil one.

Okay, climbing off my box now.

The world is flat, I read it.
Santa is real. Someone told me
The tooth fairy really gave me a nickle last night.
Buffalo Bob

In fact, unless you can show how each person you listed on the list defended HW Bush for being a pedophile - which I have never even heard of before today - then you should admit to being a liar and apologize to everyone.

But you won't. Because you're crazy and amoral.

#77 | Posted by Sully at 2009-09-30 12:54 PM | Reply | Flag

I didn't say they defended HW Bush---I asked the question---How many WOULD defend HW Bush. So far--3. The rest have not said one way or another. You lie.

How about yourself--now that you have had the opportunity to see evidence and eyewitness testimony--will you defend or condemn HW Bush? Can you tell the difference between a question and a statement?

#77

Thst's rigjt Sully.

He has no proof and not one of us owes him a damn thing!!!!

He throws out his nonsense, accusing people of horrible things and then expects us to prove a negative???

The guy is not only quolty of libel but he is unethical, immoral and flat out crazy.

is this another post about bush? geez, he's everywhere lately!

But pian for the victim CAN NEVER be an ACCEPTABLE excuse to let a rapist walk (not saying it never happens, but when it does, IT IS ALWAYS WRONG).

#66 | Posted by USAF242 at 2009-09-30 12:41 PM

I don't think that is the motive here. I think the motive is vengence, not justice. He Justice Department is pissed that he has not only pled guilty and ran, but has prospered as a result of it. While I support vengence against a rapist, do not mistake this for Justice. Justice would consider the victim.


The world is flat, I read it.
Santa is real. Someone told me
The tooth fairy really gave me a nickle last night.
fishpaw

#80 | Posted by fishpaw at 2009-09-30 12:58 PM | Reply | Flag

Add another supporter of child rape if the rapist has their political leaning. Congrats fishpaw, you made the list at #4.

The woman participated in a documentary about this...for HBO!!


If she wanted to forget about this why would she participate in something that's going to be used in reruns?????



Can't say and not really pertinent. Maybe she didn't think that far ahead. Maybe she needed the money. Maybe a lawyer told her she should. Who knows.

Just ignore Bob and flag his posts if he mentions your name in his bizarre posts.

He's not worth the time to respond to and almost everyone here knows he's nuts anyway.

Let's just get back to the subject.

Kan:

It is pertinent is she is claiming she just wants to forget about it, as she is claiming as the reason she doesn't want Polansky brought to sentence.

That is all Lisa has is to ignore people. She can't beat anyone so she just ignores and flags away. Learn to debate like an adult Lisa. Remember the two H's when debating. Hurt and Humiliate.

I don't know the Doc you speak of, so can you tell me when it was made?

Thst's rigjt Sully.


He has no proof and not one of us owes him a damn thing!!!!

I never said you owed me anything--I asked a simple question. How many who condemn Polanski would defend HW Bush.

He throws out his nonsense, accusing people of horrible things and then expects us to prove a negative???

Nonsense? Newspaper accounts--several books written by different authors--eyewitness and victim accounts---is NONSENSE to you?

The guy is not only quolty of libel but he is unethical, immoral and flat out crazy.

And you support a pedophile. I would love HW Bush to sue me, as he hasn't sued any of the writers of the books that name him. Brice Taylor names Bush as a pedophile in the video I posted.

There is more evidence against HW Bush than there is against Polanski. You solidify your place on the list. Add hypocrisy to the make-up of your soul.

#82 | Posted by Lisa at 2009-09-30 01:01 PM | Reply | Flag

Ol' Buffalo. You are a true Jack ass. Polanski was the topic and deserves what the law handed him. To bring anybody else into the debate is a different topic. But I'll play. If "anyone" is "convicted" of what Polanski did, they deserve worse than handed out. Be it a Bush or anybody else. I have no love for the Bushes and do not think because people have an opinion regarding one scumbag, it translates to others but I think the general knowledge comes into play. If there is and or was as much knowledge about Bush and it was acknowledged... Than fry his ass too. So now admit that regardless of anybody else, polanski needs to "Go away"

Phoenix,

I actualy I am coming at it from a victims perspective.

I think that may be what everyone else is not coming from.

Justice is a wonderful thing however there is such a thing as digging up demons and to say that sentancing does not dig up those demons is to never have experianced such a horrible situation. Even a casual mention by a friend or loved one can cause pain 20 years later (this I know) it is a scar that no one can see but that will never heal. I truly feel for her.

You are getting through to me Tao, slowly, but you are.

Kan:

It is mentioned in the article.

I have to be honest with you Kan, being a victim of this kind of crime myself and listening to this woman makes me angry.

She does nothing but harm current or future victims by insisting this guy walks!!

I fail to see the logic in her reasoning.

she has been through all the really hard parts of this ordeal.

She doesn't have to be at the sentencing.

Polansky will be jailed.

End of story.

I can't help but think there is more to this story and that is why she objects.

Lisa,
Your victimhood gives you a voice in this I don't have. I cannot say you are wrong, only that each person is different and does what they do for various reasons.

#85 Hey Buffalo Boob I was already on the list from earlier you complete and utter moron.

Kan,

Yeah but the Documentary bothers me too.

When was that made like you said (looks like time to put the googles to work) If it was 20 years ago it may have been a way to try and work through issues if it was last week well thats a horse of a different color.

I would never accuse her of digging for money. With what she has been through there is not enough money in the world to cure the pain, however maybe she thinks there is or that it might at least help. If she did get paid off to say keep him out of prision then frankly as an adult that is her decision on how to deal with her own trauma.

Frankly I think she is making a mistake she should be pushing for hanging by his petard but we each deal with troubles our own way and maybe this is how she wants to deal with it. If it is then what gives us the right as a society to tell her tough shit?

#93

Tao??

I am coming from the victims perspective from first hand experience.

Please don't assume that anyone who is insisting that Polansky pay for his crime has never had that experience!!!

Those "demons" never completely go away even if the circumstances surrounding your own experience are not high profile.

It's FROM the victims experience that I am angry at this woman for not making sure her pain was for nothing.

It's FROM the victims perspective that I am fearful that future or current vicrims will not step forward and fight for their rights to press charges.

It's FROM the victims perspective that I believe there is something else to this story that causes hewr to just give up on it.


Ol' Buffalo. You are a true Jack ass.

Start out with a good name calling--that is sure to prove your point.

Polanski was the topic and deserves what the law handed him.

That odd--I thought child rape was the main topic.

To bring anybody else into the debate is a different topic.

Not at all--you simply miss the point. The point is child rapists should be imprisoned.

But I'll play. If "anyone" is "convicted" of what Polanski did, they deserve worse than handed out. Be it a Bush or anybody else.

Well, that's the trick isn't it---some people are above the law--because they have power and influence--and the support of people in general because of their political leanings. Who could ever convict HW Bush of anything as long as people like USAF242--Lisa--fispaw---gimme a scotch, and boojiboy support them? Those are only 5 people, but from a very small pool---expand that pool to the nation, and you see that there would be no justice for HW Bush's victims. The fact remains---there is more evidence against HW Bush than there is against Polanski.

I have no love for the Bushes and do not think because people have an opinion regarding one scumbag, it translates to others but I think the general knowledge comes into play. If there is and or was as much knowledge about Bush and it was acknowledged... Than fry his ass too. So now admit that regardless of anybody else, polanski needs to "Go away"

I have already done that--several times--I guess reading is a weakness with you also. Try reading the first sentence of the first post I wrote on this thread--psot #56--where I agree with those condemning Polanski---and the first sentence after the list.

#92 | Posted by NonDLR at 2009-09-30 01:18 PM | Reply | Flag

Kan:

Yes, each person deals with the pain from this ordeal differently.

But one thing I just won't believe is that not every woman who has experienced this would not agree to want their offender to face justice.

Unless there is some hidden reason, as I believe there is here.


#85 Hey Buffalo Boob I was already on the list from earlier you complete and utter moron.

#97 | Posted by fishpaw at 2009-09-30 01:28 PM | Reply | Flag


The first list didn't say you would support HW Bush's pedophilia. The first list was those who condemned Polanski's pedophilia. I asked how many who condemned Polanski would condemn Bush---and made the statement that the silence would be deafening excpet for those defending Bush. You are the complate and utter moron for not reading clearly. That isn't as bad as your support for the pedophile HW Bush. That makes you a scum and a hypocrite.

But, you prove my point. You condemn Polanski--and rightly so---but you support a pedophile as long as the pedophile has your political leanings.

Lisa,
I can only repeat what I said before: I think the motive is vengence, not justice. The Justice Department is pissed that he has not only pled guilty and ran, but has prospered as a result of it. While I support vengence against a rapist, do not mistake this for Justice. Justice would consider the victim.

"Justice would consider the victim."

Not true. Justice means that everyone is punished equally for the same crime regardless of how much money they have to buy off their victim or how forgiving that victim is or how many pretentious fools fawn over your extremely overrated artistic talent.

Once you start getting into allowing the victim to determine the punishment, we are delivering unequal punishments for the same crime and that is not justice.

I'm not naive enough to think that some people involved aren't resentful over him running. But letting him get away with it because the victim wants it to be over with and misplaces the blame on why it isn't over on the prosecution rather than on Polanski for running away isn't even close to just.

Lisa,

The way you deal with your issues is not the way everyone deals with abuse. There might not be any motivation than she is done with it. There might be money involved I don't know and neither do you but the fact is she is the victim and to ignore her wishes is to ignore justice. I am not saying you need to follow her wishes to the T but at least listen and respect them.

Sorry Tao, she has no right to decide what or if Polansky gets sentenced.

This isn't vengeance....it's justice.

She didn't take matters into her own hands nor did her parents, that would classify vengeance. They went through the court system. He pleaded guilty. The minute you are in court you are subject to the decision of that court and must obey the ruling. You do not get to pick and choose punishment or not, at that point. That right was only hers prior to filing a police report.

And again, I'm sorry, but I do not respect this woman for the message she is sending to other victims.

Her actions now, WILL cause some women not to bother bringing their offender to justice.

And that, is ludicrous!

Would you be telling your daughter to follow this woman?

She didn't take matters into her own hands nor did her parents, that would classify vengeance.


No, that would be a Vendetta, not Vengence.

"to ignore her wishes is to ignore justice"

No matter how many times you repeat this, it isn't true. You actually have it completely backwards.

Justice has nothing to do with what the victim wants. We have rules in our society that are spelled out and if you break them the punishments are spelled out too. Treating everyone the same under those guidelines is just.

If we allowed victims to decide the punishments, that would be revenge.

If we allowed victims to decide the punishments, that would be revenge.
#108 | Posted by Sully

We do, to a degree, at sentencing hearings when we allow victims and their families to make statements. I always say, if you're going to commit a crime against somebody, be sure its somebody with no family to speak of. You'll get less jailtime for it.

No Kan....a vendetta would indicate a fued. I don't think you can equate that in this instance.

I like Sully's word....revenge.

Had they taken matters into their own hands it would have been revenge.

Can you live with that word?

Yes.

Vendetta does not need a feud, it is simply vengence based on blood. Vengence does not need to be a family memeber, as lynchings in the old West was Vengence from a community that the community thought was Justice. To be honest, justice left this case the moment Roman was allowed to pled guilty and leave.

"We do, to a degree, at sentencing hearings when we allow victims and their families to make statements."

You're right. Obviously that is meant to influence the judge but the judge still makes the decision and still has to sentence within certain guidelines.

And that is meant to provide the judge some background as to the magnitude of the crime so that he understands how people were affected before he sentences. The judge isn't interested in asking the victim what specific punishment, if any, should be enforced. The law dictates a range of punishments and the judge is supposed to sentence within that range based on the facts.


Victims often get the chance to determine justice. A man beats his wife, and she presses charges---later she drops the charges and he is released.

With no witness, there is no prosecution.

Kan:

I just llooked up vendetta and the two definitions I read it was a fued between two parties.

But... If we agree on revenge. I'm a happy camper!

Lisa,
It isn't between two parties, it is a blood feud between families. There must be relation for it to be a Vendetta.

That this victim of the rape did an interview for a HBO documentary doesn't really say that she wasn't trying to avoid publicity more like she didn't consider the consequences perhaps thinking her interview would affect the tone of the documentary but not end up in the final product.

Perhaps she thinks that if now she says she doesn't want Polanski punished and he isn't that no one will ever ask her again about the situation. I don't remember when or where it was but there was a girl who was raped and her arms cut off by a more sicker than usual rapist and she said she didn't want the guy (a stranger) prosecuted that she just wanted to forget it. And no she wasn't saying that as a Christian but as a victim.

If you commit a crime and get caught within the statute of limitations the case needs to be brought to full resolution no matter what your status in the community is or whether you manage to flee for years to avoid your punishment. Justice not served or served only to those without the financial resources to avoid punishment is no justice.

As far as Boob's obscene groundless BS if rcade had an option to create a poll about credibility Boob would lose in a landslide to the likes of Tiny Elvis (if he's actually saying anything I've never really figured that out), Skippy Wellington the over-the-top stereotype freak and Jerry Tarkanian the wannabe disser just for starters.

116

I'm going to disagree with you Gimme_A_Reason_Not_to_Slap_You
.
I think if she didn't want the publicity, she wouldn't have participated.

I'm all for forgiving people but it was taken to court. You can't at that point say you don't want to follow the courts ruling.

"#60 | Posted by USAF242"

Dipshit, first off control your CAPs. You look like an internet direct marketing asshole.

Second I never defended Polanski's assault on the girl, I attacked the judicial system. Big difference.

you have yourself so worked up you are likely to prolapse your rectum again.

I'm going to disagree with you Gimme_A_Reason_Not_to_Slap_You

Will you stop (successfully) trying to give me a tingle?

Boob,

There are fundamental differences between Bush and Polanski.

1. Bush hasn't admitted guilt,Polanski has.

2. Bush hasn't been convicted in a court of law therefore he's innocent until then. Polanski has had his day in court and admitted to his criminal offenses.

Until Bush is convicted, I have a hard time seeing things YOUR way. Until Bush's "VICTIMS" take him to court then I can't see it your way. So if your list of alleged "VICTIMS" has the gravi tas to file their complaints in a court of law, there is no reason to take them serious. Until then, they are crackpots (like yourself) that should not be taken seriously.

Additionally, Once the criminal proceedings have started, the whole process is out of the victims hands and in the hands of the public prosecutor.

Lonnie

#119

Was that necessary?

My crude humor is even being kept in check in this thread. I am in so much pain holding it in, but respect is needed sometimes.

"Victims often get the chance to determine justice. A man beats his wife, and she presses charges---later she drops the charges and he is released.

With no witness, there is no prosecution."

Figures you would pick an example where once the cops get involved and see evidence of a beating, the police file the charges if the victim will not.

But to your point, yes for many crimes if they are not reported or not persued by the victim, there is no punishment.

That is due to logistics - nobody can prosecute a crime they don't know about or without evidence. It isn't because of some misplaced notion that the victim should have control over how a crime is prosecuted.

In this case, he's already pled guilty so that the government would drop the more serious charges. He will be treated like anyone else in the same situation regardless of what his victim wants today. That is justice.

yes for many crimes if they are not reported or not persued by the victim, there is no punishment.

That is due to logistics - nobody can prosecute a crime they don't know about or without evidence. It isn't because of some misplaced notion that the victim should have control over how a crime is prosecuted. -- #123 | Posted by Sully

In support of your point, prosecutors don't wait for murder victims to file charges.

#122

I don't want you in pain, Kan. Just let it rip.

I can take it.

And will probably throw it back at you.

ACCORDING TO BUFFALO BOB, IT IS IMMORAL TO JUDGE A PROVEN CHILD RAPIST, UNLESS ALL PARTIES INVOLVED FIRST CONDEMN BUSH.

Bob, you can try and waffle the issue all you want, you are on record for all to see.

BUFFALO BOB DOES NOT GIVE A DAMN ABOUT HOLDING THE RAPISTS OF CHILDREN ACCOUNTABLE, UNLESS EVERYONE INVOLVED FIRST CONDEMNS BUSH.

Expect to see this sort of comment when you post in the future BoB, until such time as you show some EVIDENCE that you've realized how full of shit you are.

BUSH IS NOT THE SUBJECT, NO MATTER HOW GUILTY HE MAY, OR MAY NOT BE. FOR IT TO EVEN CROSS YOUR MIND THAT SOMEHOW BUSH IS IN ANY ANY ANY WAY RELATED TO THSI TOPIC SHOWS THAT YOU ARE A FILTHY STICKING PIECE OF SHIT THAT LACKS ANY SENSE OF MORALITY.

I don't want you in pain, Kan. Just let it rip.

I can take it.

And will probably throw it back at you.

#125 | Posted by Lisa at 2009-09-30 04:12 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose) Ha-ha This I Have To See

"ACCORDING TO BUFFALO BOB, IT IS IMMORAL TO JUDGE A PROVEN CHILD RAPIST, UNLESS ALL PARTIES INVOLVED FIRST CONDEMN BUSH."

LOL. Funny and true.

Can you imagine a world run by this guy? Everyone would be required to great each other with "Death to Bush the Rapist"......

1127

What??

You don't think I can be a smarta**??

Well, I can if I choose to!!

#125 | Posted by Lisa at 2009-09-30 04:12 PM

I won't. It isn't for you I am not posting just like I don't post the racist jokes I think of- somethings I just don't want my name associated with.

"Not true. Justice means that everyone is punished equally for the same crime regardless of how much money they have to buy off their victim or how forgiving that victim is or how many pretentious fools fawn over your extremely overrated artistic talent."

I disagree. Well, I agree with the point about forgiveness based on talent (though I don't agree that he's overrated as a director).

I disagree with justice meaning that everyone is punished equally. I don't believe that. I believe that justice (in re the law) resides in perpetrators of the same crime having the law applied equally to them, no matter their status (wealth or fame). But that's not realistic, really, is it? The court system provides protocol for establishing guilt or lack of guilt on very specific points. They provided sentencing guidelines, but two people convicted of the same crime do not necessarily (often don't) receive the same punishment. Nor do I believe they necessarily should, but you better have damned good reasons for different consequences or punishments.

"but you better have damned good reasons for different consequences or punishments."

Well the most obvious one would be prior offenses or lack thereof.

"I disagree with justice meaning that everyone is punished equally. I don't believe that. I believe that justice (in re the law) resides in perpetrators of the same crime having the law applied equally to them, no matter their status (wealth or fame). But that's not realistic, really, is it? The court system provides protocol for establishing guilt or lack of guilt on very specific points. They provided sentencing guidelines, but two people convicted of the same crime do not necessarily (often don't) receive the same punishment. Nor do I believe they necessarily should, but you better have damned good reasons for different consequences or punishments."

I don't disagree with this. No two crimes are exactly alike in the first palce. And obviously the judge has alot to do with what the punishment is going to be and some judges are more harsh than others - which is not fair to the people who find themselves being sentenced by them. But adding another layer of randomness to the process by giving the victim input on the punishment wouldn't make our system more perfect. It would make it less perfect - unless the objective is something other than justice, like revenge.

My question remains---why do so many condemn Polanski, and give HW Bush their best defense?

My answer: I find it sad that you'd trivialize Polanski's crime by grouping it with this ludicrous claim about George H.W. Bush.

Before we discuss how awesome his movies are or what the now-deceased judge did wrong at his trial, let's take a moment to recall that according to the victim's grand jury testimony, Roman Polanski instructed her to get into a jacuzzi naked, refused to take her home when she begged to go, began kissing her even though she said no and asked him to stop; performed cunnilingus on her as she said no and asked him to stop; put his penis in her vagina as she said no and asked him to stop; asked if he could penetrate her anally, to which she replied, "No," then went ahead and did it anyway, until he had an orgasm. Can we do that?

No, we can't do that. I'm not aware of anyone saying you can. (The unprosecuted, videotaped rape of a boy by the United States military at Abu Ghraib notwithstanding.)

The judge accepted a plea bargain between the prosecution and the defense, and then reneged on the deal. Can we do that?

why do so many condemn Polanski, and give HW Bush their best defense?

Ah, once again someone whips out the ole bush defense.

It's just terrible that the judge screwed Polanski without his consent.

Send Polanski to prison where he belongs; but don't pretend that what he did is somehow worse than dropping a bomb from an airplane and wiping out entire families.

History will prove Bush to be the best president ever because he cleared the road for any person on the planet to do anything they want and get away with it.

All they have to do is whip out the bush defense.

It's just terrible that the judge screwed Polanski without his consent.

We will never know that. I don't believe the case made it to sentencing.

The judge accepted a plea bargain between the prosecution and the defense, and then reneged on the deal. Can we do that?

The deal is between the prosecutor and the defense. It's not finalized until sentencing. Usually the prosecutor talks to the judge and gets a thumbs up.

"The judge accepted a plea bargain between the prosecution and the defense, and then reneged on the deal. Can we do that?"

Is this proven anywhere? On the sexual offense he pled to a lesser crime than the one he committed and he was not charged with all the crimes of which he was guilty. Seems to me like he did get alot in return for his guilty plea.

Something like 99% of criminal cases are plea bargained. What happens when there are no commitment to uphold the agreement from the judge?

He is not a child molester. He's a child rapist.

It's just terrible that the judge screwed Polanski without his consent.

Miranda was a rapist too.

Carrying out the law does not always result in justice.
Carrying out the law poorly often leads to the opposite of justice, as seems to be the case here.

This is the first inkling you people have that our criminal justice system sucks?

Really, that's how you want to play this one?

Mmm, that's good righteous indignation!

Ah, once again someone whips out the ole bush defense.

#136 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2009-09-30 05:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

No one is defending Bush except people like YOU---you make #6 on the list of Bush defenders. Support your local pedophile--if he's a republican. Party over country conservatives.

My answer: I find it sad that you'd trivialize Polanski's crime by grouping it with this ludicrous claim about George H.W. Bush.

#134 | Posted by rcade at 2009-09-30 05:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Where do you see me trivializing Polanski? I have agreed with all statements condemning him. What I see is you trivializing HW Bushs pedophile rapes.

There is MORE EVIDENCE against HW Bush than there is against Polanski---and you call the charge LUDICROUS? Newspaper accounts--several books written by several different authors---eyewitness accounts---a documentary by the Discovery channel that was pulled--victim accounts---people murdered---and all that adds up to a LUDICROUS charge in your mind?

Let.s put that up against Polanski---what evidence? One victim account. But THAT is an open and shut case to you.

You make #7 on the defending the Bush Pedophilia list. Congrats---look at your fellow members.

1. USAF242
2. Lisa
3. Boojiboy
4. fishpaw
5. gimme_a_scotch
6. mysterytoy
7. rcade

Tell this woman who was raped herself since she was a child, and whose child was raped by HW Bush that her charges are LUDICROUS. Be sure to check the credentials of the guy she's talking to---tell HIM how LUDICROUS he is.

1. Bush hasn't admitted guilt,Polanski has.

So? Many in prison don't admit their guilt.

2. Bush hasn't been convicted in a court of law therefore he's innocent until then. Polanski has had his day in court and admitted to his criminal offenses.

That's part of the point---he won't ever face charges, even though there is more evidence against him than there is against Polanski.

Until Bush is convicted, I have a hard time seeing things YOUR way. Until Bush's "VICTIMS" take him to court then I can't see it your way. So if your list of alleged "VICTIMS" has the gravi tas to file their complaints in a court of law, there is no reason to take them serious. Until then, they are crackpots (like yourself) that should not be taken seriously.

People have wound up dead--if you had read the links, you would have known that--the same way many mob witnesses suddenly develope amnesia--the same happened to Bushs witnesses.

Additionally, Once the criminal proceedings have started, the whole process is out of the victims hands and in the hands of the public prosecutor.

When you have the power of HW Bush---you are above the law. He could have your whole family killed and never even miss a shot on the golf course. He gets this power from people like you who fail to believe him capable of such actions. You denigrate the victims as "VICTIMS" meaning they must be lying, and believe that all these witnesses are making things up about HW Bush. It is very hard to believe it about HW Bush, it would be much easier to believe it about Clinton---why no such charges against Clinton? Why would so many different people say such things about such a person as HW Bush. There is more evidence against HW Bush than there is against Polanski. Bush will never go to trial---people like you will see to that.

You make #8 on the list of Bush pedophile defenders.

Lonnie

#120 | Posted by lwalk17 at 2009-09-30 03:47 PM | Reply | Flag:


"ACCORDING TO BUFFALO BOB, IT IS IMMORAL TO JUDGE A PROVEN CHILD RAPIST, UNLESS ALL PARTIES INVOLVED FIRST CONDEMN BUSH."

LOL. Funny and true.

Can you imagine a world run by this guy? Everyone would be required to great each other with "Death to Bush the Rapist"......

#128 | Posted by Sully at 2009-09-30 04:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

Not at all---if I was on that first list, I would have responded---I don't support child rape in any way--If HW Bush did it--he should go to prison.

You trivialize the evidence against HW Bush, even though there is more evidence against him than there is against Polanski. You make #9 on the Bush pedophilia defenders.

1. USAF242
2. Lisa
3. Boojiboy
4. fishpaw
5. gimme_a_scotch
6. mysterytoy
7. rcade
8. lwalk17
9. Sully

da bOoB and his lists crack me up.

I'm surprised I'm not on that list. I've seen zero evidence of bOoB's allegation so I deny that claim as well.

Polanski admitted to his crime.

He skated.


Your 'evidence' against HW Bush would make Michael Moore blush - it's a bunch of BS and you know it.

#10 right here BoOB

Until Bush's "VICTIMS" take him to court then I can't see it your way.

So rape isn't rape until the victim presses charges.

In what court should the raped Iraqi child pursue legal relief?

Link? And a reputable one please all the reliable sources I've looked at say Polanski served 42 days for psychiatric evaluation in order to determine final sentencing. The only reneging was him skipping out after promising to appear in court.

I sincerely doubt that even CA considered 42 days as a "fair" sentence for child rape in the late 70's.

Also I'm glad that rcade is on the correct side on this particular issue


I'm not sure if this fits your criteria of reputable, but it does cite its source

from www.vachss.com

Originally published in The Washington Post, August 10, 1977

Movie director Roman Polanski was ordered to undergo examination by two court-appointed psychiatrists in Los Angeles to determine if he should be institutionalized as a "mentally disordered sex offender" for allegedly having sexual intercourse with a 13-year-old girl.

Polanski, 43, pleaded guilty to one of six charges facing him, thereby avoiding a trial.

The movie director was allowed to plead guilty to a lesser charge of engaging in unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor at the request of the girl's mother, who wanted to protect her daughter from the publicity expected to accompany such a trial.

The prosecution agreed to dismiss five other charges, including two more serious counts furnishing drugs to a minor and rape by use of drugs.

The results of the psychiatric examinations will help determined whether Polanski will be deported as an undesirable alien.

I'll tell you what I admit.

I admit to wanting Bob banned for his libel posts.

I admit that I believe Bob to have severe psychological problems that causes this list, as well as the numerous other paranoid and conspiracy theories to run wild through his brain.

I further admit that I don't like broccoli.

Your 'evidence' against HW Bush would make Michael Moore blush - it's a bunch of BS and you know it.

#152 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-09-30 08:11 PM | Reply | Flag

Well let's compare, shall we?

Evidence against Polanski. One victim report.

Evidence against HW Bush. Newspaper reports--several books written by different authors--eyewitness accounts--victim accounts.

I didn't post this in post #148 to rcade--it should have been there first.

Tell this woman who has been raped and brainwashed since she was a child, and whose own child has been raped by HW Bush that her story is BS. Tell that to the ex-FBI man sitting next to her, who knows she's telling the truth, that she's a liar.

www.youtube.com

You make #10 on the list of HW Bush pedophile defenders. You consider child rape a terrible crime---unless committed by a conservative.


#10 right here BoOB

#153 | Posted by somoco at 2009-09-30 08:16 PM | Reply | Flag

Actually you slither into the #11 spot. There were 10 pedophile supporters who jumped up first--but rest assured, you place is secure.

I further admit that I don't like broccoli.

Posted by Lisa at 2009-09-30 08:33 PM | Reply

Yummmmmmmmmmmy. Broccoli straight from the garden is delicious. Add salt and pepper and You have a dish.

Larry

BoOB, I looked at the "evidence" you provided, and have got to say, it's kind of a joke. I should have known better than to waste time on links provided by you. The lady on youtube also implicated LBJ, and a whole other list of people. Incredible.

I admit to wanting Bob banned for his libel posts.

According to your own logic--it isn't libel until I'm found guilty.

I admit that I believe Bob to have severe psychological problems that causes this list, as well as the numerous other paranoid and conspiracy theories to run wild through his brain.

You must think I wrote all those books--newspaper accounts--documentaries, and dressed up like this woman to tell a story.

You say you were a victim---put yourself in this woman's place, and hear your words as she hears them.

www.youtube.com

Not only has she been raped multiple times---but HW Bush raped her daughter. I give her as much credibility as I give you. Tell her what a psycho she is. Then consider how you would feel if you gave a report on your experiences--and had to talk to someone with your attitude. By the way--be sure to check the credentials of the man she's sitting with.

You should attack the message--not the messenger.

#156 | Posted by Lisa at 2009-09-30 08:33 PM | Reply | Flag

Anyone ever see the Twilight Zone about the guy who made lists of bad people?

Well you're welcomed to take my portion, Larry!!!j

I admit that I believe Bob to have severe psychological problems that causes this list, as well as the numerous other paranoid and conspiracy theories to run wild through his brain.

You can almost sense the weird perverse pleasure he gets using the word pedophile and Bush in the same sentence. I admit it is one of many indications that he has severe psychological problems.

But . . .

I further admit that I don't like broccoli.

. . . what's wrong with you woman?! *grin*

Don't a lot of Your Psychotic people make lists of the bad people that they would like to "Get" Just sayin.

Larry

I don;t like broccoli either. It looks like little trees and when I eat it I feel like a giant. Being afraid of heights, I get dizzy and fall down so I find it best to just avoid them.

now i am off to seek that very greeny vegetable. ttfn

"What's wrong with you woman?!"

I don't know!!!!!

Lol

I never liked it.

And we weren't allowed to leave the table till we finished.

Let's just say that our dog's favorite place to lay was next to my chair!


BoOB, I looked at the "evidence" you provided, and have got to say, it's kind of a joke. I should have known better than to waste time on links provided by you. The lady on youtube also implicated LBJ, and a whole other list of people. Incredible.

#160 | Posted by somoco at 2009-09-30 08:43 PM | Reply | Flag

She's not the only one who implicates others. The books I referenced indicates a wide range of people, and pleasures that were indulged in--not just HW Bush. Among the others who were involved in these parties--Clinton--but his pleasure was with adult females--Barney Frank--with gay young men, but not children--and others that. I'm sure you would have no problem believing the Clinton and Frank involvement, but anyone who is a conservative--no way could you believe it. What makes you think just because someone is famous and has a reputation for being a straight arrow, that that is the reality of their life. One of the other most unlikely people who were involved in this scenario were Bob Hope, and Henry Kissinger. I'm sure it is far beyond your capability to even imagine such a scenario--after all Hope was a good guy who entertained the troops---you know him so well, and Kissinger--well--he might not even have a penis as far as you are concerned. The one post to that video is just the merest tip of the iceburg---you know nothing about any of these people---they could be fucking dogs for all you know---you simply blieve what you want to believe and call everything else a lie.

Hree is a link to a book that implicate Hope and Kissinger. And as to Brice Taylor implicatiing all those people--she was raped as a child, and there was ample opportunity for all she says to have happened--to have happened.

www.amazon.com

IOn addition, there were PLENTY of other video links in the sidebar of the link I provided earlier--look at them when you are capable of accepting reality. There are lots of people who back this womans story--people she's never met.

Here's a nice list of convicted perverts that you would never expect such actions from. Just because someone has been on TV and you admire them---doesn't mean you know what makes their dick get hard.

www.armchairsubversive.org

If you have trouble believing any of the accusations, simply google the name, and verification will come from independent sources.

LOL Kan!

And it's a good thing I'm only 5'2 cuz I'm afraid of heights as well.

Odd that I love the mountains.

Although there are some places I can't look down,

I think the best proof that there was no pedophilic sex in the WH is that no news outlet ran with the story.

If the president of the US is having sex with underaged boys in the White House, it would be the scoop of the century and probably Pulitzer Prize stuff. No news outlet would pass by the chance to make such a scoop.

But poor gullible bOoB believes the author of a book called, "Thanks For The Memories ... The Truth Has Set Me Free! The Memoirs of Bob Hope's and Henry Kissinger's Mind-Controlled Slave"

I mean, it's almost too funny except to know that there is actually someone on the planet who cites such a book as "proof".

No one ever questioned da bOoB's insanity, but even trying to pass off this book as "proof" makes makes you wonder how the hell da bOoB got out of his straightjacket.

"Henry Kissinger's mind controlled sex slave". Too fucking funny!

If his name was Average Joe Smith and he worked in a factory or did a regular job there would be no question that he would have been in jail 30 years ago. They would have hunted him down.

But Polanski the child rapist is not an average American. He's an elite wealthy influential Polish Jewish member of the Hollywood entertainment industry that has the ear of the public.

If justice is blind the criminal justice system shouldn't give a damn what he is; justice needs served and Polanski needs to spend time in jail just as would have been required of Average Joe Smith the rapist.

"They would have hunted him down. "

Well, they wouldn't have had to. Very few people can escape to Europe. But then, if Joe Shmoe had done this and managed to escape to Europe, he probably would have successfully disappeared--no one carried a high profile like a film director!

I find the timing bizarre--really, no one could have caught this guy before now? It's not as if he hasn't attended other film festivals.

Finally common sense coming forth today. Great article in libtard Salon calling it the way it is with that raping child molestor Polanski. Dems rejecting the Public Option in Obama's HealthScare overhaul.

Even my crap smells like roses today.

You make #10 on the list of HW Bush pedophile defenders.

A YouTube video and some obscure publishers and web sites don't constitute credible evidence, Bob. The bullying you're doing here is completely unacceptable.

I've tolerated fringe stuff in user blog posts, but I'm not going to let you hijack other discussions with this junk and call people "pedophile defenders" because they don't share your beliefs. The discussion of your allegations about George H.W. Bush is over.

If you post another enemies list of people who don't share your beliefs and call them "pedophile defenders" or anything close to it, I'll drop your account.

Excellent, Rcade. Also, an ignore function would go a long way to prevent all this hoop de doo.

I'll drop your account.


Words which strike terror in the heart of every DR addict.

Rcade has spoken.

This case is now closed.

You make #8 on the list of Bush pedophile defenders.

Lonnie

#120 | Posted by lwalk17 at 2009-09-30 03:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

#149 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob
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Look BoOb, Anybody can make any allegation they want. It's called free speech. If these "VICTIMS" filed charges then the matter would be settled in court. These "VICTIMS" haven't filed so much as a complaint because it would be all over the news networks especially PMSNBC. They have no credibility.

I, for one, believe nobody is above the law including but not limited to Toe tappers, Pedophiles, or Corrupt government officials. As for Bush being able to kill me or anyone else, It could happen but I don't think so and that allegation would have to be proved in court before I take some crackpot's word for it. They probably got knocked off because they sold their pathetic little stories to some guy who has about as much sense as you, made some money and others felt they deserved their "fair" share of the money.

If it can't be proved in court then how do you expect anyone to take you or these crackpots serious. As for your little pathetic list, go ahead add my name to it. I can see I'm in good company on YOUR pathetic list.

Lonnie

"I'll drop your account."

But what about Bob, er, Goatman? Do both go at the same time? They're Bonnie and Clydie. Tango and Cash. Henry Frankenstein and the Monster.


Something like 99% of criminal cases are plea bargained. What happens when there are no commitment to uphold the agreement from the judge?

#143 | Posted by furio


Furio--the judge has the last word on plea bargains--accept or reject.

It would seem that the details are discussed ahead of time and there is agreement.

But back in 1977--things might not have been discussed ahead of time.

Not sure..

Maybe the judge wanted to give him a year--who knows? Some people are alleging the judge was going to give him 50 years.

I find that hard to believe.

The reason that is unbelievable is because if the judge were going to do that--he would certainly have taken him into custody before the sentence.

Or taken his passport or something--because Polanski-- or anyone for that matter-- looking at 50 years with his means would be a flight risk.

Also, an ignore function would go a long way to prevent all this hoop de doo.

An "ignore" function is a stupid idea. By the time you flagged someone's comments "ignore" at the end of their post you already read the entire thing and, besides, the next guy reading down the thread won't even see your "ignore" flag anyway. Now if you could have a "disappear" function that worked when you flagged it, then you've got something.

Henry Frankenstein and the Monster.

#179 | Posted by nullifidian


"Henry"??? lol

#180 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-09-30 11:45 PM | Reply | Flag

Hey Murphy, you find that Michelle Obama "whitey" tape yet?

Woooo Hooooo!!!!

You are my blog hero Rcade!!!

Thank you!!!!

Null--

I posted a link on another thread to someone who asked about.

That was the crazy guy who also claimed to do drugs and have sex with Obama wasn't it?

Swinging and missing...

#181 | Posted by CalifChris at 2009-09-30 11:47 PM | Reply | Flag

You're a dumbshit that doesn't understand how an ignore function works. It's not a flag. The Retort had one before. So shut up, dummy.

From what I understand when you enter into a plea agreement,that is with the prosecution.When you go before the judge,the judge will ask you if you have been promised anything for your plea.And the answer is "no".The judge is independant and can decide for his/her self .Though normally they will go with the plea agreement.

The only function an ignore button is good for is to block out posts. It won't stop people from saying things they shouldn't....like Bob.

I'm guessing Nulli might choose to "ignore" CC if he had the chance.

"Henry"??? lol

I give up, Goofy. What's the joke?

'You're our hero too Rogers.' The Palin Whorehildren.

Thanks for dumping Manypaths comment calling us gutterwhores.

Oh wait, you didn't?

Nevermind 'hero'.

Re: #179: Are you kidding, Nulli? If RCade banned Tweedle Goat and Tweedle Bob, he'd cut the DR posts in half. Times are tough all over right now, even for the wealthy like RCade.

Lisa,

I used to spend long hours at the dinner table myself because I wouldn't eat broccoli, macaroni and cheese or anything else with cheese, turnip greens, and cauliflower. To this day, I still don't eat any of that.

Lonnie

Re: 191 - why would he dump that comment? Too Truthy or something?

#187 | Posted by bruceaz

Thanks Bruce..


So in other words the prosecution can kinda sorta talk for the judge in offering a plea deal??

So for Polanski how are people coming up with the judge going to sentence him for 50 years if Polanski never showed up for court??

"'m guessing Nulli might choose to "ignore" CC if he had the chance."

No, the only ones I would put on ignore are AKAstupid, Johnson, and the dime a dozen trolls that drop in and out.

#193 | Posted by lwalk17 at 2009-09-30 11:57 PM | Reply | Flag: Six Year Old in a Septugenarian's Body

"and the dime a dozen trolls that drop in and out.

#196 | Posted by nullifidian"


Hey! I resemble that remark!

Lonnie:

You don't eat cheese???


"Henry"??? lol


I give up, Goofy. What's the joke?

#190 | Posted by nullifidian


I don't know..

Is Frankenstein's first name Henry??

Do both go at the same time?


Why do you fear me so, nully? I don't give a shit if you come or go. But all you want is me gone. I guess if you were a little bit smarter you'd figure out that you are not compelled to read my posts and skip them. There is no DR rule that says you have to. You do indeed have the right to skip posts of posters you don't want to read.

Give it a try. It's easier than you think. If you see "posted by goatman", then don't read that one. I think you have it in you to figure this one out.

Good luck

Lisa,

No, sure don't. I get sinus headaches every time I eat cheese.

Lonnie

I'm a firm believer in the principle that people should believe whatever they want. If Bob finds a book subtitled "The Memoirs of Bob Hope's and Henry Kissinger's Mind-Controlled Slave" a credible source of information, that's his prerogative. But you have to recognize when your beliefs are so far outside the norm that few people are likely to share them, and act accordingly. Dragging it here and calling out individual people for disagreeing goes too far.

I don't get angry often on the Retort. I've been doing this shit a long time, and people can say almost anything about me without getting a reaction. It's all been said before. Sometimes I read somebody ripping into me and I think they're making some good points.

But getting called a "pedophile defender" -- all because I don't believe something so far-fetched, poorly sourced and incredible that it isn't even worth debating -- is too much. When I read that I could have steamed vegetables with my ears.

#179 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-09-30 11:44 PM | Reply | Flag: fifth time tonight he has mentioned me without my talking to him. But will complain later that I am trolling him nonetheless.

Yes, Murphy. Dr. Henry Frankenstein. It was in all the papers. Didn't you read about the ghastly murders committed by his Monster!?!

Maybe you oughtta try the cheese without the toenail next time, Lonnie.

Oh wow, Lonnie.

I can live without chocolate but I don't think I could live without cheese!!

Lol

An "ignore" function is a stupid idea.

Actually it's a great idea for people like nullbrain who can't figure out how to skip a post all by himself. Yes, I know the rest of us are smart enough to know how to do it (I do it for a few posters) but there is actually at least one person who doesn't have the brains to figure out how to do it. This idiot relies on someone else to do it for him.

Not surprisingly this person is a democrat, too -- not to imply that all democrats are this stupid, of course.

I haven't bothered watching Bob's videos, but is it not common knowledge that the United States military raped a boy at Abu Ghraib?

I have no problem with Bush shouldering some of the responsibility for that.

"Maj Gen Taguba, who retired in January 2007, said he supported the President's decision, adding: "These pictures show torture, abuse, rape and every indecency."

www.telegraph.co.uk

But getting called a "pedophile defender" -- all because I don't believe something so far-fetched, poorly sourced and incredible that it isn't even worth debating -- is too much. When I read that I could have steamed vegetables with my ears.

#203 | Posted by rcade
----------------
I'm with you there rcade. That was insulting.

Lonnie

Rex: Here's the only recent Palin daughter comment I saw that was flagged.

You're a dumbshit . . . So shut up, dummy.

LOL. Says the guy who is too stupid to figure out how to skip a post on his own.

"I'm guessing Nulli might choose to "ignore" CC if he had the chance."

When it comes to my posts, Nulli wants an ((( EXPLODE ))) flag -- one that really works.

Oh wow, Lonnie.

I can live without chocolate but I don't think I could live without cheese!!

Lol

#207 | Posted by Lisa
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Chocolate doesn't bother me at all. Halfway through a cheeseburger, I feel my head clogging up and my neck muscles tightening up.

Lonnie

That would probably be the first time you've made a guy explode in a while, eh CC? I mean, other than Gimme.

Did someone say Chocolate and Cheese? Great record!

No, the only ones I would put on ignore are AKAstupid, Johnson, and the dime a dozen trolls that drop in and out.

Says the guy who has trolled my 5 times already tonight. LOL

... not to imply that all democrats are this stupid, of course.

Of course that wasn't your implication.


lol

Well I didn't like it either Rcade.

And I don't like when he refers to me as a child abuser because I taught my child Christianity.

Again, his opinion and in my book, that's as bad as calling me a ped supporter.

His accusations have gone too far.

You know I rarely flag anything someone says about me and I have been called plenty.

But I'm flagging his posts any time he calls me that again.

I take my motherhood extremely serious and his accusations that I abuse my children has pushed the envelope too far.

Killfiles are coming tomorrow.

When I read that I could have steamed vegetables with my ears.

#203 | Posted by rcade at 20


Brocoli??

Peas. Broccoli's alright, but it loses something without melted cheese.

Guess that doesn't rise to 'dump' status, hero.

Unlike whatever the last 13 right leaning posters in a row you have 'banned' posted.

And unlike Boyd and Big League chew who both went batshit but only got 2 dumps, a wink and a nod.

Nice.

Maybe you oughtta try the cheese without the toenail next time, Lonnie.

#206 | Posted by mOntecOre
------------------------
LOL. Nope wasn't any toenails there. It was American Cheese slices. Hey but feel me to take your own advice.

Lonnie

#214

Oh man, that stinks!

When it comes to my posts, Nulli wants an ((( EXPLODE ))) flag -- one that really works.

Indeed. He needs to replace that bug up his ass with a stick of dynamite.

Ignore button?what you need is a button that will tell me to go to bed so I get up for work in the morning.

How do you get to the page that tells you who was banned and for what?

Gimme thinks he's romantic

"When I read that I could have steamed vegetables with my ears."

With fava beans and Chianti?

And I don't like when he refers to me as a child abuser because I taught my child Christianity.

His "You hate America" comments based simply on political disagreement are pretty offensive as well. In all fairness, da bOoB isn't the only one who does it but he is by far the most prolific

Null--


I thought it was Frederick Frankenstein...


;o)

"#223 | Posted by r_zeitgeist"


Quick! Somebody call the Wambulance! Fucking crybaby.

I love peas!!! I eat them right out of the can, the garden....but you can have the cheese on those Rcade.

One of the very few things I don't like cheese on is vegies.

I like them plain.

Dang, my typing sucks tonight. I meant to say feel free not feel me. LOL.

Lonnie

And unlike Boyd and Big League chew who both went batshit but only got 2 dumps, a wink and a nod.

Big_League_Chew is banned from the site.

"He needs to replace that bug up his ass with a stick of dynamite.

#226 | Posted by goatman"


Looks like Nulli has Tweedle Goat's goat, big time.

Killfiles are coming tomorrow.

#220 | Posted by rcade

Yes!

That would probably be the first time you've made a guy explode in a while, eh CC? I mean, other than Gimme.

#215 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2009-10-01 12:11 AM


You sure love wondering though, don't ya, mOnteperv.


"Big_League_Chew is banned from the site.

#234 | Posted by rcade"


Oh, well, then uh.. forget it.

Rex Zitgrease

Looks like Nulli has Tweedle Goat's goat, big time


Oh yes. I can barely see through my tears.

My how perceptive you are, m'boor

"You sure love wondering though, don't ya, mOnteperv.

#237 | Posted by CalifChris"


Not to be mean, but not really CC. You are so obviously available, it kind of ruins it.

Lisa,

It's none of his business how you raise your kid. Teaching kid's with Christian values isn't abuse. It's teaching them to respect others and themselves. It's teaching them to do the right thing always.

Lonnie

Yes!

#236 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-10-01 12:20 AM | Reply | Flag: Finally an answer to his own stupidity

And monte thinks he's the peach??

"My how perceptive you are, m'boor

#239 | Posted by goatman"


Thank you, bro. *grin*

Thank you, bro. *grin*

It's the least the object of your masturbatory fantasies could do for you, m'boor

Not to be mean, but not really CC. You are so obviously available, it kind of ruins it.

#240 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2009-10-01 12:22 AM


Guess so. Must be why I've never put my email address public on DR in all the time I've posted here -- to make myself so "obviously available." LOL

Keep trying, mOntepathetic.

"And monte thinks he's the peach??

#243 | Posted by MURPHY"

James and The Giant Peach? Actually, given your training: www.danielbjohnson.com I refuse to say.

Thank you Lonnie.

But because Bob disagrees with it, I'm a child abuser.

I'm joking with you, CC. Everyone knows that your heart is Tweedle Goats! (Though Gimme is certainly waiting by the back door, if you ever want to answer his scratching.)

Without me, we both know where this blog would be, hero.

Tell you what, make a place for my name above the 'editorial panel' and co-editor (wtf?) Bourne, and I will consider not retaking control from you.

Ok...I'm going to show my ignorance.

What are kilfiles?

Careful RCade! If you do not bow to Zitgrease's demands, he may get a few other buttplugs and start his own site to compete with you!

Everyone knows that your heart is Tweedle Goats!

I thought the heart of this short, fat, old, oil rig worker who lives in a slum belonged to you, m'boor.

Wouldn't you get insanely jealous of an outsider?

Lisa,

I think BoOb probably thinks a lot worse things about me. I'm just surprised I haven't been declared guilty by association since I spent 20 years in the military. *Laughing*

Lonnie

"Thank you, bro. *grin*"

Hahahaha. That's sooooo gay.

Killfiles will make another user's comments invisible to you.

What are kilfiles?

They are for stupid people like null who whine about other people's posts because he is too ignorant to figure out how to scroll past them. He'll probably be the only one using them. At least he has been the only one crying to rcade about having them.

Tweedle Goat tries anything to twist my posts into a gay come on. His obsession would be disturbing, if I didn't know that he was trapped on a big hunk of metal with a bunch of other dudes in the middle of the GoM.

If you do not bow to Zitgrease's demands, he may get a few other buttplugs and start his own site to compete with you!

I wish he would. There's no better revenge for a site publisher than to watch one of his critics start his own site and get beaten down by the complaints of his own users.

What is amazing and stupid on so many levels are the actors and directors and scum in Hollywood that are backing Polanski and want him released.


There are 100 of these idiots who signed a petition!

inmovies.ca

m'boor said "big hunk"! He obviously wants me!

Tweedle Goat

Lonnie:

I doubt that.

I've been one of his favorite punching bags.

Re: #258 - see #253. 'Nuff said.

m'boor said "big hunk"!

I know. LOL

"His obsession would be disturbing"

How do you think Bob feels? He probably prays for a tidal wave for an extra margin of security.

Tweedle Goat tries anything to twist my posts into a gay come on.

What am I supposed to think about someone who continually fantasizes about me and what I look like? Seems like a logical conclusion to me.

If I'm wrong, please explain the fantasies you have created of me. LOL

Well why didn't you just say ignore buttons???

You gotta know by now that I'm a dorkette when it comes to computer stuff!

"There's no better revenge for a site publisher than to watch one of his critics start his own site and get beaten down by the complaints of his own users.

#259 | Posted by rcade"


I can think of one thing - when they come crawling back to your site after theirs fails.

But getting called a "pedophile defender" -- all because I don't believe something so far-fetched, poorly sourced and incredible that it isn't even worth debating -- is too much. When I read that I could have steamed vegetables with my ears.

#203 | Posted by rcade at 2009-10-01 12:03 AM | Reply | Flag

I stand by the statement--you ignored the fact that there is more evidence against HW Bush than against Polanski. You didn't investigate a thing. You simply went with your "gut" and not the facts. You are a pedophile defender whether you agree or not.

As to Lisa--I never made the accusation to her that she was a child abuser personally--she took a general statement I made about my belief about religion and made it seem like I was talking to her personally. Too bad--I stand by that statement also. Religion IS the cancer of mankind, and will be the main cause of our extinction as a species. People who teach their children religion--ANY religion are committing a form of child abuse in my opinion, and brainwashing young minds with terrible false beliefs. Even knowing the bible is false--based on older stories doesn't stop them.

I'm sure this will be my last post on this site--and I'm not sad or bitter about it at all. When the killfiles come out, I'll be on them I'm sure--Ive never seem rcade so pissed---but then I never saw him ignore facts when presented. I had great respect for his input before today, and that is now gone. Ignoring facts you don't like is the mark of a conservative. Facts are rcade ignored the facts--mocking a book he never read because of the title--like he knows Bob Hope and what he was like as a human being. I stand by my statement.

I'll go live in BOobistan, and you can all live in your country---and we'll all be happy.

What is amazing and stupid on so many levels are the actors and directors and scum in Hollywood that are backing Polanski and want him released.


There are 100 of these idiots who signed a petition!

inmovies.ca

#260 | Posted by MURPHY
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Hey Murphy, that is disturbing but not unexpected. When this story first broke, I figured we'd have Sean Penn, Tim Robbins, and Hanoi Jane up in arms as the first people to demand his release. *Laughing*

Lonnie

There's no better revenge for a site publisher than to watch one of his critics start his own site and get beaten down by the complaints of his own users.


He's already been beaten down once. The next time won't be any different. Sheesh, Rcade is like Michael Corleone. "I don't want to kill everyone, just my enemies".

I didn't know that he was trapped on a big hunk of metal with a bunch of other dudes in the middle of the GoM.

Fantasizing again, but adding more dudes. LOL

Thanks for the validation.

And I heard a voice in the midst of the 4 beasts...

"How do you think Bob feels?
#265 | Posted by nullifidian"

I think he and Goat secretly admire each other. They are like two sides of the same coin. Sometimes when they are having one of their "yes, huh!"/"nuh uh!" marathons, I lose track of which one is "yes huh" and which is "nuh uh."

Hahahaha, if only it was as easy as hiding behind a drones skirt.

We all know who has put the soup in your bowl Rogers.

And it wasn't the 'editorial board'.

You are a pedophile defender whether you agree or not.

# 269 -- will rcade make this bOoB's last post?

See ya, Bob. Can you take Tweedle Goat with you? He'll be so lonely without you.

Lonnie:

I doubt that.

I've been one of his favorite punching bags.

#262 | Posted by Lisa
-------------------
Well if I see him going for you Lisa, I'll distract him and you give him a good stiff kick somewhere. *Laughing*

Lonnie

I think he and Goat secretly admire each other.

#274 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2009-10-01 12:41 AM | Reply | Flag: The fantasies about goatman continue, even as he denies any obsession

BB--

You are completely and utterly wrong.

Have a great vacation--we certainly will.

Later gaters..

I hate to rehash old ground but damn, I get the feeling Bob feels it's on the internet it must be true.

Lonnie

If Bob's quick he can pen a weepy swan song like Goatie before he gets the boot.

See ya, Bob. Can you take Tweedle Goat with you? He'll be so lonely without you.

But who would be the object of your fantasies if I left, m'boor? Would you just pull of archives of my posts and jerk off to those?

"When the killfiles come out, I'll be on them I'm sure"

Nobody is going to put you on their killfiles, Bob, so just relax. Certainly Goatman won't.

If Bob's quick he can pen a weepy swan song like Goatie before he gets the boot.

But it wouldn't be near as good as mine was

You're a damn liar Bob!!

You most certainly did.

I pity you Bob.

And I pray this is your last post.

Most of us are tire of your false accusations based on nothing but your opinions.

Lol Rein. That's right - that fucking crybaby was supposed to be outta here a long time ago, but he just couldn't stay away. Pathetic.

"Would you just pull of archives of my posts and jerk off to those?

#284 | Posted by goatman"


If so fantasizing helps you to pass all those sausage party nights on the rig, you go for it Tweedle.

Nobody is going to put you on their killfiles, Bob, so just relax. Certainly Goatman won't.

Indeed, that's true. If I don't want to read it, I skip it all by myself. It is a feat you would find amazing, null

"Most of us are tire of your false accusations based on nothing but your opinions."

Opinions! The horror. We don't need no stinkin' opinions around here.

I stand by the statement--you ignored the fact that there is more evidence against HW Bush than against Polanski.

Roman Polanski pleaded guilty. You can read the plea transcript to see exactly what the girl said he did, and what he admitted to have done.

When the killfiles come out, I'll be on them I'm sure--Ive never seem rcade so pissed---but then I never saw him ignore facts when presented.

The killfiles will only affect the people who choose to ignore your posts.

Facts are rcade ignored the facts--mocking a book he never read because of the title--like he knows Bob Hope and what he was like as a human being.

I did not mock it. I said that I do not regard it as credible. I think 99.99 percent of the stuff that never makes the mainstream media is bullshit. Anyone can say anything in a YouTube video or a book or a web site.

but he just couldn't stay away. Pathetic.

But you are so glad I came back or else you would have stopped your fantasies about me. But actually increased.

So can the faux condescension and admit your life improved greatly having me back as the object of your fantasies. LOL

Bob was banned at midnight....

I'm sure this will be my last post on this site--and I'm not sad or bitter about it at all. ...

Don't go verbally pushing yourself into a corner you can't back out of, BuffaloBob.

Rcade made his request known, respect it, and drop the subject.

As for religion, Rcade lets you and the other atheists on here have all the free reign you all want when it comes to debating, discussing, and bashing religion and/or God so you've got no legit complaint there.

#278

Lol

Nawww

I was taught by a police officer that kicking someone while being assulted isn't smart.

She suggested I wear a hat pin.

It's not concealed so I can't get in trouble for a concealed weapon.

I'd stab one in the eye. That'll stop an offender dead in his tracks.

...all those sausage party nights on the rig...

The fantasies continue.

Aren't there any real flesh and blood men where you live?

It's incredible how the ants crawl over the ant hill and never think to look around and see the terrain.

I used to think that you had the ability to see the terrain Rogers, but I was wrong, you're just another ant on the hill.

The hill that I did more then any other to build.

I don't even remember you prior to your (faux) swan song thread, Tweedle. I do remember posting on that thread. Rob the Asshole was still around. Sucks he left and you stayed. Funny thing, I remember posting that I didn't think you were such a bad guy, like some others were saying. I guess I just hadn't had the pleasure of seeing you post ad nauseum yet.

Are there any real flesh and blood men where you live?

#297 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-01 12:55 AM | Reply | Flag: Trolling

Population of BoObistan: 1.

Lonnie

I'm not banning anybody tonight. I'm going to bed. I would prefer that Bob respect the opportunity he's been given here to post user blog entries and respect the right of other people to disagree with his views.

Haha, What happened to Rob the Asshole, I haven't seen him post in a long time?

Lonnie

For an asshole, Rob sure gets mentioned with fondness around here. I'm pretty sure you all would trade me for him.

Sucks he left and you stayed.

Apparently you, like null, are too stupid to figure out how to ignore my posts. Rcade is taking care of that little problem for your tomorrow. LOL

But you are so glad I came back or else you would have stopped your fantasies about me.
But actually increased.

- goatman


Absence makes the ♥ grow fonder.

- mOntecOre


Naa Rcade. occasionally you've been a voice of reason here.

Lonnie

Bob - looks like you have a chance to move on to another subject and stay around here. Take it from Goat, you might miss this nut house more than you think. I'd suggest you change the channel.

Are there any real flesh and blood men where you live?

#297 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-01 12:55 AM | Reply | Flag: Cruising

I'm not banning anybody tonight. I'm going to bed....

- Rcade


Sweet dreams. And you've got the patience of a saint. LOL

"Haha, What happened to Rob the Asshole, I haven't seen him post in a long time?

#303 | Posted by lwalk17"

Some dickface went outside this site to fuck with Rob in his "real life." Not for the first time either. (Not to say the first dickface who did it was the same dickface who did it later. I don't think it was.)

For an asshole, Rob sure gets mentioned with fondness around here. I'm pretty sure you all would trade me for him.

Would rather see both. I don't want to see anyone banned or go away. The more the merrier.

I'm not banning anybody tonight. I'm going to bed

Alright everybody,lets get shitty with one another

#297 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-01 12:55 AM | Reply | Flag: Cruising

#309 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-10-01 01:02 AM | Reply | Flag: fantasizing about what goatman does

I don't want to see anyone banned or go away. The more the merrier

True dat. Reinstate Letusprey.

"#306 | Posted by CalifChris"


That's so cute that you are trying to stick up for your man, CC. Are you feeling an unfamiliar warmth down there?

That's a shame that some take this THAT serious to go mess with someone like that.

Lonnie

"Would rather see both.

#312 | Posted by goatman"


Tweedle Goat finally admits that he likes to see men, preferably multiples. Don't worry, Goat, you're in a safe place here. (RCade (tm))

That's so cute that you are trying to stick up for your man, CC. Are you feeling an unfamiliar warmth down there?

#316 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2009-10-01 01:06 AM | Reply | Flag: Sails on the jealous sea

What did LetUsPrey do to get banned? I won't miss her, but she had a great handle - one of my favorites. Come to think of it, Rob the Asshole had a great handle too, if only for the irony. How come all the best handles get banned?

Tweedle Goat finally admits that he likes to see men, preferably multiples.

Have I ever denied it?

Well, you've done a good job stringing CC along.

Rogers, here is a fair offer, remove the links to the 'editorial board' and Bourne, replace them with a dedication to me.

Put the Friday Night Muzak links in bold on the front page each weekend and dedicate the nooner to the memory of PWZ.

That's my offer.

What did LetUsPrey do to get banned?

I suspect that LUP was using other handles while on suspension. (big league chew)

I assumed that was the case. Stupid girl.

What did LetUsPrey do to get banned?

Posting under multiple accounts. Five the last time I counted.

Well, you've done a good job stringing CC along.

Thanks for the compliment, m'boor! You've done a great job stringing me along as well. You openly fantasize about me for months, then suddenly pretend there was nothing there all along. You broke my heart, m'boor.

Dang 5 handles? Hey, I have enough memory to memorize one account name and password. LOL. Anymore than that, I'd have to give up.

Lonnie

I'm sorry, Tweedle. Perhaps you read a little too much into my posting that you were a fat, old, sorry fuck? I mean, most normal men wouldn't take that as a come on. But you are free to be different, so don't ever change. (By the way, the only reason I said negative things about you was because you were such a dickhead to others around here - even people who didn't deserve it. Look inwards, Tweedle.)

I didn't know Letus was a female.

Shows how much I pay attention around here.

Neither did I Lisa.

Lonnie

I'm pretty sure that LUP was a dude. Comment #1 on this thread is a fucking classic.

www.drudge.com

*is a dude*

I don't know that she was, Lisa. I was just giving her a compliment, just in case. On that topic, did Corky ever say for sure if she was a he or he was a she, or whatever? Also on that subject, do you remember when CC "came out" as a woman? That was a fucking roll - so many people were surprised, including me.

#332
Agreed

Honestly, I see everyone accusing people of trolling but I know a internet troll and seen what things he's done and it doesn't resemble anyone here.

Michael Crook is an internet troll. He writes a mean spirited email about someone who passes away and then goes to their facebook group under a different name then refers them to his website.

Lonnie

#332 - concur. Not on the same level as some of 101's classics, but only a small step down. Hilarious.

I mean, most normal men wouldn't take that as a come on.

If your fantasies were occaisional and few, I wouldn't. But when you keep fantasizing week after week, month after month, what am I supposed to think? Outside from a few beautiful woman, I've never had so many fantasies so openly professed about me. This is no exagerration.

One can only come to the conclusion there is something much deeper to your fantasies than simple blog talk. ANd that is that you harbor a fondness for oil rig workers whether you admit it or not.

#332 - concur. Not on the same level as some of 101's classics, but only a small step down. Hilarious.

Montecore,you can't even double post right,LOL

That's cool, Tweedle. I'm sure that when you teachers told you every day that you were a dumbfuck, or your wife told you that you were a pain in the ass, you turned that into a fantasy too. That's a good skill you got there. You should feel fortunate - ignorance really can be bliss.

What the fuck? Double post, with a Goat in between? I feel dirty.

(watch what Tweedle does with that one... I pull the strings....)

#334

I figured out looooong ago that Chris was a female. Way before it became common knowledge.

I also figured out that 45Cal and Sarge were married three days after she became a member and it took the next person to figure it out, a year!!!

Womens intuition!!!

I'm sure that when you teachers told you every day that you were a dumbfuck, or your wife told you that you were a pain in the ass

There you go fantasizing about me again. These things never happened. They are fantasies in your mind. LOL Unbelievable.

Next post: more denials of obsessions and fantasies for goatman.

OK, I'll be your old short fat rig worker who lives in a slum and was told I was a dumbfuck by my teachers and a pain in the ass by my wife.

Is there anything else I should be pretending to be so that your mental image of me is complete and I will be your perfect fantasy man? Let me know! LOL

Montecore,you can't even double post right,LOL

No he can't, but as he keeps on proving, he has this fantasizing about goatman thing down pat!

OK, so I have a fantasy that you are a fat old oil rig worker, and you have a fantasy that I am sexually attracted to you. I can live with that, Tweedle, but you may not want your "buddies" to know your secret.

(watch what Tweedle does with that one... I pull the strings....)

Um, that's not a string you are pulling as you fantasize about me

If he is extradited back to the U.S., I would not be surprised if he were sentenced to some relatively de minimis amount of prison time. Sixteen month, - two years at most? With half-time he'd be out within a year. The U.S. could say "justice was meted out", and Polanski would be free again so quickly that none of the Eurotrash could scream how oppressive The System is in America.

You have a fantasy that I am sexually attracted to you.

NO fantasy from me. You are the one who has for months changing my weight and height and social status. I just play along to keep you happy because I'm a nice guyh

Are you no longer happy, m'boor? Are your fantasies of me dissolving and you rue watching them slip between your fingers?

You have posted your fantasy that I am sexually attracted to you well over a hundred times, Tweedle. Under your logic, that means that you have a fantasy that I am sexually attracted to you. CC is going to be very jealous.

...but you may not want your "buddies" to know your secret.

Don't worry. If I did have fantasies about you as you do about me, I wouldn't keep it a secret. We rig "buddies" have a very open relationship with each other. They wouldn't fing your fantasies about me threatening whatsoever.

I'm doing playing with you tonight, Tweedle. As usual, I will allow you the last word.

doing=done. (Don't get all jiggly.)

You have posted your fantasy that I am sexually attracted to you well over a hundred times,

(again)

Based strictly on your actions. If you are not attracted to me, why do you spin these fantastic tales about what you imagine I am? I've asked this before but you don't answer. I think it's because you are sexually attracted to oil rig workers in general (not necessarily me, but I'm the only one you have "access" to).

If I am wrong, please explain your months long open fantasies? What were they all about if not an obsession with me?

I'm doing playing with you tonight, Tweedle

Translation: "My blogging fantasies about you have me close to cumming and I need both hands"

CC is going to be very jealous.

Unlikely. Like my rig "buddies" we have a very open relationship.

BTW, is "tweedle" who I am supposed to pretend to be for you from now on, m'boor? Just let me know so that I can play along and your fantasy is complete.

How did this thread devolve into sexual sniping between Montecore and Goatman? It couldn't happen unless they were both into it. Just bizarre. They both must be very bored tonight.

Where's null to do his usual, "goatman continues to post" thing he always does? Maybe I actually taught him how to ignore my posts without the aid of software adjuncts?

Incredible!

How did this thread devolve into sexual sniping between Montecore and Goatman?

M'boor, as usual, sought me out without my having said a word to him (post 192). He again referenced me (post 235) and I finally responded. The rest is history.

He is clearly obsessed with me

AH--it seems I was mistaken in my concept of a "Killfile". If rcade would have said "ignore button", I would have understood. I may still make it to the banishment universe though--but until then, there are some posts I would like to respond to--starting in order with this one.

I think he and Goat secretly admire each other. They are like two sides of the same coin. Sometimes when they are having one of their "yes, huh!"/"nuh uh!" marathons, I lose track of which one is "yes huh" and which is "nuh uh."

#274 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2009-10-01 12:41 AM | Reply | Flag

You haven't been paying attention---I don't respond to Goatman anymore----haven't for several months, and don't intend to ever again. I have no respect for him. He twists everything I say into something else, lies outright about obvious things, and is not worthy of consideration or respect. He stalks me on every thread, even though I haven't talked to him in months--it seems like a sickness to me--I have stated I think he is a sick individual, and capable of bodily harm or worse. My opinion still stands. When the killfiles go into effect, he will be on mine. Even then--watch--he will still stalk me on every thread.

As for you--I have a mostly positive image, since I don't recall any great disagreements.


BB--

You are completely and utterly wrong.

About what? Anyting in particular?

Have a great vacation--we certainly will.

With the killfile, you can make my vacation from you permanent. You have that option.

#280 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-10-01 12:45 AM | Reply | Flag:


I hate to rehash old ground but damn, I get the feeling Bob feels it's on the internet it must be true.

Lonnie

#282 | Posted by lwalk17 at 2009-10-01 12:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

Not at all. I post what I consider to be accurate information, and the people who disagree don't like my points, but fail to use logic to refute the points I have made--they simply attack me rather than address the points--much like Murphy in that last post.

Buffalo Bob,
Writing an "enemies list"was kinda Nixonian.Most of us enjoy your posts as much as any others.Fuck your distractors,most just want to play


If Bob's quick he can pen a weepy swan song like Goatie before he gets the boot.

#283 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2009-10-01 12:46 AM | Reply | Flag

Nope--post #269 was my swan song--I thought a killfile would ban the user for good. I didn't realize it was just an ignore feature.

Nobody is going to put you on their killfiles, Bob, so just relax. Certainly Goatman won't.

#285 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-10-01 12:47 AM | Reply | Flag

I'm sure---but at least I won't see his lies and hypocrisy anymore. My list was good---the ignore button will be better.

Writing an "enemies list"was kinda Nixonian

I like his lists. They are a reminder of what an immature idiot he is. (as if we needed a reminder) I hope he continues them and I hope I'm at the top of each one. I'm surprised I didn't see my name at the top of his Bush pedophile list, AAMOF. I was highly disappointed.

I like his lists. They are a reminder of what an immature idiot he is. (as if we needed a reminder) I hope he continues them and I hope I'm at the top of each one.

What, are you obsessed with Goatman too?

:)


You're a damn liar Bob!!

You most certainly did.

Nope--I say you lie. I said I considered teaching religion to children child abuse, and stated that was my opinion. You made it personal by saying I said I thought you were abusing your child. I said--yes--that was my opinion. Saying that it is my opinion is different from saying--Lisa--you are abusing your children. I also stated that I supported your right to teach your child whatever you like in your own home--that teaching it in public schools was wrong. I closed out that post to you with this paragraph:

I do support your right to raise your (child) in your religion and to teach them what you want---it is your job to educate them for society. I just don't support people who want to take their religion and force it on others through their positions of power and influence--like a school, or school function.

I pity you Bob.

BFD

And I pray this is your last post.

The killfiles come in to play tomorow, so you will have that choice.

Most of us are tire of your false accusations based on nothing but your opinions.

I didn't accuse you of anything---how about a link to that accusation? How about an apology when you find nothing but me stating my opinion? OH---I'm not allowed to have an opinion different than yours? How does my opinon affect your life? Why are you so upset about my opinion?

#287 | Posted by Lisa at 2009-10-01 12:48 AM | Reply | Fl

He twists everything I say into something else...

That something else I send your way is spelled T-R-U-T-H. I use facts, universally accepted math and science. I know these things bug the shit out of you because you can't bend them to fit into your mold and I doggedly refuse to let you.

Deal with it even if you can't deal with the truth itself.

I think he is a sick individual, and capable of bodily harm or worse

Flag: Pantspisser extraordinaire

LOL

With the killfile, you can make my vacation from you permanent.

Thing is though with the killfile, no one will be reading your stuff. But that will be great for you -- no one to dispute your lies and wacked out theories. You'll be in heaven! LOL

... but fail to use logic to refute the points I have made

As I said -- you lie. I refute your stuff all the time. Remember when I kept pointing out that a microwave antennae has to be pointing at the source of the transmission, thereby making it impossible to fake a transmission from the moon?

What did you do? You couldn't refute the proven physics of microwave transmission, so you just kept repeating "youtube.com". LOL You are the one who fails to use logic, bOoB and you know it.

I'm off to read your next lie.

I'm sure---but at least I won't see his facts anymore.

FTFY

the ignore button will be better.

#367 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-10-01 03:00 AM | Reply | Flag: Terrified of the truth and indisputable facts

tastes great
less filling

You guys should be getting royalties

I'm very glad bOoB and nully will have their little censor buttons. As Jack Nicholson's character famously said, "You can't handle the truth!" LOL

You can't handle the truth!"

He said that before he was carted off to the brig

He said that before he was carted off to the brig

Yes I know. I saw the movie, too. It was a good one, wasn't it? I love Nicholson movies. He's the greatest

Heeeere's Johhhnny,was my favorite.

I wondered which fuck-tard (tm) would try and make this into a partisan issue and only had to read the first post.

So predictable.....Zzzzzzz

So predictable.....Zzzzzzz

Not really. If you look at it objectively (I realize hard for you) you would know that prize undoubtedly goes to frank55.

Yeah...but that's not half so bad as tapping your foot in a rest room stall, is it? Hell, I bet Polanski could run for governor of Massachusetts and win. Well, maybe not. It was a girl he raped, not a young page boy. THAT would have been OK for sure.

#19 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2009-09-30 10:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

Massachusetts? Care to explain that?

Did you mean Florida? Because Mark Foley was from FL, not MA.

Glad I could help.


I stand by the statement--you ignored the fact that there is more evidence against HW Bush than against Polanski.

Roman Polanski pleaded guilty. You can read the plea transcript to see exactly what the girl said he did, and what he admitted to have done.

What does that have to do with EVIDENCE? What was the EVIDENCE aginst Polanski--so far you have cited one victim report. Why is that victim report more valid than Brice Taylor's victim report? Can you answer?

When the killfiles come out, I'll be on them I'm sure--Ive never seem rcade so pissed---but then I never saw him ignore facts when presented.

The killfiles will only affect the people who choose to ignore your posts.

My mistaken ignorance.

Facts are rcade ignored the facts--mocking a book he never read because of the title--like he knows Bob Hope and what he was like as a human being.

I did not mock it. I said that I do not regard it as credible.

Ah--a valid judgement without reading the book. If Bob finds a book subtitled "The Memoirs of Bob Hope's and Henry Kissinger's Mind-Controlled Slave" a credible source of information, that's his prerogative. sounds like mocking to me--but that's my opinion--what do you call it?

How about this book?

www.amazon.com

or this book?

www.amazon.com

or this book? Probably not true--it is by another victim, but maybe you like the title better.

www.amazon.com

or this book on mind control---gee mind control is impossible isn't it?

www.amazon.com

Several different books by several different authors and a book about CIA mind control as a source--you do know Bush was the head of the CIA back in the 70's don't you? Of course he would never abuse his power for his own enjoyument--or to blackmail others who enjoyed the same pleasures---NEEEEVER happen--right?

I think 99.99 percent of the stuff that never makes the mainstream media is bullshit. Anyone can say anything in a YouTube video or a book or a web site.

Of course you ignore the fact I have linked to the mainstream media several times with the Washington Times story.

www.propagandamatrix.com

This story ran ONE DAY, and was never heard from again. How long did we hear about Clintons BJ? There was no retraction--it just disappeared. Nothing strange about that, right? Perfectly normal for a paper to print such an outrageous story and then--poof---nothing.

#292 | Posted by rcade at 2009-10-01 12:53 AM | Reply | Flag

Rogers says, "There's no better revenge for a site publisher than to watch one of his critics start his own site and get beaten down by the complaints of his own users."

Is that why you are always telling your 'critics' to start their own blogs?

Are we our own worst critic? If so, then do you extract revenge on yourself for your other sites being "beaten down," in that relative way?

Take heart, Rogers, and remember what Swift said:

"Censure is the tax a man pays to the public for being eminent."

Rcade made his request known, respect it, and drop the subject.

And you said you knew me. I wouldn't enjoy the site if I had to reign in my opinions---that's why I had no regrets when I thought a killfile was banishment---if I go down, it will be because I said what I thought, and I think carefully before I say anything. I back my words with links---that's more than I can say for most of those who disagree with me.

;-)

As for religion, Rcade lets you and the other atheists on here have all the free reign you all want when it comes to debating, discussing, and bashing religion and/or God so you've got no legit complaint there.

How do you know rcade isn't an atheist who let's you religious people have free reign?

#295 | Posted by CalifChris at 2009-10-01 12:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

I think when they get the child rapist back, he should be tossed in gen pop of a max security prison...

After he gets the same type of treatment that the young girl suffered [minus the drugs and booze]... and we can only hope that it continues every day for the rest of his sorry life. In that case, I would like him to live a VERY long time.


I'm not banning anybody tonight.

As Scarlet O'hara once said--After all, tomorrow is another day.

I'm going to bed. I would prefer that Bob respect the opportunity he's been given here to post user blog entries and respect the right of other people to disagree with his views.

I absolutely respect their right of others to disagree with my views---don't I have the right to disagree with theirs? Even yours? As much as I disagree with religion, I would give my life to protect the right of anyone to worship as they please. It would do no good to attempt take away such a right---the only way for mankind to grow up is to realize that such beliefs are mistaken, and the only purpose of mankind is not to worship and glorify an imaginary deity, but to grow in knowledge and GTFO this planet before it becomes unliveable. Otherwise the whole of humanity will be as valid an existence as the dinosaurs. The earth existed for billions of years before the first human, and it will be around long after we are gone---unless we use our minds to outgrow religion. Religion is the cancer of mankind---but as a liberal---I support the right for all to live their lives as they see fit-I just explain the future to them as best I can. Sit on this planet and worship until extinction--or educate your children and reach for the stars.

#302 | Posted by rcade at 2009-10-01 12:58 AM | Reply | Flag


For an asshole, Rob sure gets mentioned with fondness around here. I'm pretty sure you all would trade me for him.

#304 | Posted by rcade at 2009-10-01 12:59 AM | Reply | Flag

You are mistaken. Just my opinion of course.

;-)

I absolutely respect their right of others to disagree with my views---

"IF you don't agree with me, you support pedophiles"

Yep, you're a real tolerant dude, bOoB.

I keep shaking my head and asking myself, "How can someone be so out of touch with reality? How can someone be so dishonest even with himself?

You are an enigma I'll never figure out, bOoB

What does that have to do with EVIDENCE?

Now I know you are joking -- I think? Can you really be this stupid?

bOoB -- there is no stronger evidence than admission. Do you have a clue about Miranda and the 5th amendment? Maybe your constitution in bOoBistan doesn't have it. Even so, I'm shocked you haven't heard it in the movies. There is a part in there that reads, "Whatever you say can and will be used against you in a court of law". That means used as evidence, even though they don't use that word.

Seriously -- how can you be so stupid?

LOL on your other books, bOoB. I just scrolled the mouse over them to see the titles and I laughed out loud.

You never explained why these people didn't press charges? Why didn't the MSM run with this for the scoop of the century?

Do you even think about reason at all? I mean, IRL. We know you don't here.

Of course you ignore the fact I have linked to the mainstream media several times with the Washington Times story.

And of course you ignore the fact that story was retracted after proven to be a hoax. You know that too, but don't tell that part. That makes you a LIAR!

I back my words with links

Which goes back to what was said upthread, "If it's lon the internet you think it's true". You denied it, but now you are suggesting that is correct.

Please be consistent, bOoB.

Arguing with that Boob on anything is like trying to teach a pig to sing... it wastes your time and it annoys the pig.

Arguing with that Boob on anything is like trying to teach a pig to sing... it wastes your time and it annoys the pig.

Or wrestlin' a pig. You both get dirty.

But hey -- I work on an oil rig. I can't do my job without getting filthy. I don't mind doing it on-line either. LOL


Bob - looks like you have a chance to move on to another subject and stay around here.

Giving me a CHANCE? Do me a favor--don't do me any favors. I'm only hee to throw out concepts most people haven't considered, and to see their responses. If I can't do that---there's not much point in sticking around anyway.

Take it from Goat, you might miss this nut house more than you think.

I'm sure I would miss it--but then I would remember why I was booted and be OK with the result. I'd get over it--it can't be as bad as quitting smoking. As rcade recently said--there are 10,000 other political sites. It would take a while to be booted from all of them, and as been pointed out often---I'm an old guy.

I'd suggest you change the channel.

If I always did what was suggested, or what was best for me, I'd probably be much better off. But that's probably true for most of us, don't you think?

I couldn't find the original John Prine version, but this cover expresses my view very well about compromising my views.

www.youtube.com

www.kovideo.net

#308 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2009-10-01 01:01 AM | Reply | Flag

GOATMAN

Bob isn't that hard to figure out.

Sometimes I think that the two most important things in his life are his wheelchair and a keyboard. Of course, that's only my opinion.

It's a fact, however, that your responses to his idiotic postings are his lifeblood on the Retort. Without you as his enabler, there would be way fewer of these circular, nonsensical postings that Bob likes to pretend are "debates."

Bob has also figured out that he can feed these so called debates by asking "questions" that plant seeds of suspicion.

He's begging, in a pitiful way, for someone to talk to him. It would appear that no tactic is too low and no price is too high to pay.

If you and others on this site would stop trying to pound some sense into his head, the worst damage he can do is waste a lot of bandwidth. Bob isn't the least bit interested in anybody's point of view (which is the fuel of a true debate). His only interest is getting someone to acknowledge his existence (even if it's only ridicule) . . . much the same way a child will think a spanking is better than being ignored.

So . . . if you're as tired of his blockheaded posts as the rest of us, the solution is quite simple.

Don't enable.



Buffalo Bob,
Writing an "enemies list"was kinda Nixonian.

It wasn't an enemies list--it was more of a dumb fucks, or ignore list---and some asked to be on it.

Most of us enjoy your posts as much as any others.

Thanks--I think.

;-)

Fuck your distractors,most just want to play

I doubt I would consider very many of them fuckable---maybe shoot some pool or throw some darts, but othan that...ehhh

#365 | Posted by bruceaz at 2009-10-01 02:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

important things in his life are his wheelchair

I hope that was in jest.I did some time in a wheel chair.nuthin funny about it

BRUCE

I wasn't trying to be funny. It's just my personal opinion that Bob is trapped . . . perhaps by a wheelchair . . . and uses as much bolonga as he can think up to get attention.

What I find sad is that Bob has the intelligence to engage others honestly but choses the low road instead.

There's something wrong with his mentality in that respect.

Just in case rcade is still steaming or if my recent posts do send him over the edge and I am banned, this is my swan song.

www.youtube.com

www.cowboylyrics.com

has the intelligence to engage others honestly but choses the low road instead.


There's something wrong with his mentality in that respect.

Funny,I was just thinking the same of Tadowe

I don't claim any 'high road' in discussing anti-patriotic dipshits, Republican or Democrat! In fact, from my first post on this site, I stated that my efforts would be to revile and dehumanize Democrats, as they were doing to our military and commander-in-chief during wartime ... assisting our enemy's efforts to embarrasss and defame our nation; including the anti-patriotic Democrats, and not just Republicans!

No one needs you to tell them what kind of politics you pracice, Brucie ... you hate *all* conservative opinion ... and in a very yellow-dogish way ...

hey everybody,Tadowe is now in charge of patriotism

BRUCE

And you would be correct.

Engage either at your own risk.

There is a repellent, however.

It's called "Pfft" if you feel an absolute need to response to either.

Thanks twinpac,I'll keep that in my utility belt,LOL

Bruce gets sarcastic, "hey everybody,Tadowe is now in charge of patriotism"

Here you go, Hag, this is a mirror-image of your 'face' ...

It's called "Pfft" if you feel an absolute need to response to either.

#405 | Posted by Twinpac at 2009-10-01 05:17 AM | Reply | Flag Pfft

Ah--so THAT's the high road.

;-)

Twinpac shmoozes a fellow-yellow, "Engage either at your own risk."

You've taken the 'risk' often enough, Twin, but always off-point. That's pretty common - that effort to misdirect because you are incapable of rebutting the point(s) presented. So, the messengers become the subject for you all to 'agree' are not worth responding to ...

Yellow intellectually, as well as being the yellow-dog-intransigents of politics ...

Tadowe
Nice chatting with you.You remind me of my father in law (career navy).He felt about the same bout me as you do.god rest his soul.Talk to you on another day.good night

Bob says, "Ah--so THAT's the high road."

No, Bob ... the 'high road' would have been to ignore the thread, entirely.

Now, it seems your way-down-low in tacitly supporting Polanski's rape as somehow less of an offense than you claim for Bush.

But, as Forest's mother said ...

Bruce says, "Nice chatting with you."

FO, punk ...

TADOWE

"So, the messengers become the subject for you all to 'agree' are not worth responding to ..."

Yeah, that's about it. But only you and Bob at the moment.

You know as well as I do that you ply this site for any kind of attention you can get.

So here you go . . . /spank . . . /spank

Now let's hear you cry like a baby for us.


Twin responds, "Now let's hear you cry like a baby for us."

Why am I your subject, Twin? It must be because I mentioned that Democrat creeps like you are anti-patriots for votes, huh?

FO, punk ...

Tadowe.
Fuck off punk?
Fuck off punk?
Damn you are a thinker.
I'm an american patriot where civil discussion is how we do it? Fuck off punk?

Well I guess you win then

Pfft

TADOWE

"Why am I your subject, Twin?

Because you wouldn't have it any other way.

Don't you think we've all figured that out by now?

We Democrats are all appeasers . . . don't you remember?

I'm just appeasing you.

You remind me of my father in law (career navy)

I was complimenting you.Fuck off Punk

Bruce is back, "I was complimenting you.Fuck off Punk"

See? You leftist *must* lie about *everything*!

You are blind,tadowe

Just because I argued with you didn't mean I didn't appreciate your opinion

But getting called a "pedophile defender" -- all because I don't believe something so far-fetched, poorly sourced and incredible that it isn't even worth debating -- is too much. When I read that I could have steamed vegetables with my ears.

#203 | Posted by rcade

As ridiculous as BBob is on this, it's not any more offensive than the Christian-bashing, gay-bashing and bashing of ALL things critical of Obama as racism that goes on this site.

My point being: This is a quality weblog because you allow a lot of shit to be slung unchecked.

You don't censor political point of view.

You cut some slack to the old-timers who like to walk on the edge (Chair, Mao, BBob, et al).

Regarding BBob...

In the spirit of your fairly open site, don't let his assclownish get the better of you. Without Bbob this site wouldn't have any knowledge of smokestacks on the moon or the deadly potency of a car antenna as a weapon.

I ask you to have some patience for da bOoB.

Jeff:

I have all the patience in the world for those people who slip up, say something that is wrong and apologize or for those who simply call names.

Bob is not one of those people and I have been MORE than patient with him even though he didn't deserve that consideration.

The child abuse accusations coupled with the accusations of supporting a ped have gone way beyond crossing the line.

And although we are given a lot of freedom here accusations like those should not be tolerated and those who make those accusations need to held accountable for their words.he goes beyond the point of abusive!

I shake my head when I see him screaming to see evidence, yet has no evidence himself when making those false claims.

I am thankful Rcade gave Bob that ultimatum and I WILL flag each and every post Bob makes where he accusses someone of child abuse or supporting a ped for no reason other than we disagree with his point of view.

I have taken a lot of name calling here without flagging it, but what Bob does goes beyond irresponsibility, hatefulness and frankly displays a lack of intelligence to say the things he has been saying.

I won't be hitting the ignore button when it comes to his posts.

He should be held accountable for the crap that he says here.

Lisa,

I hear what you are saying.

I really do.


However BBob spurs discussion with his BS.

If for nothing more than easily proving him wrong, he generates site traffic - which is an outcome that RCade should be happy with.

Yes - he goes over the top when he equivocates any lack of adherence to his viewpoint with the support of pedophilia. However, more than one poster on this site has levied the exact same accusation at ALL Catholics who don't denounce their faith as a result of the despicable covering-up of cases of priests ass-reaming alter boys.

According to some on this site, I fully support making young boys air-tight at the bequest of a Catholic priest.

I saw this on the subway this morning and let out a Wha-WHa-WHAT?!!

"Here you go, Hag, this is a mirror-image of your 'face' ..."
Posted by tadowe

What did I do? And what's that supposed to mean?

YAWN
~Chickenshit

Jeff:

To call one a "puling hypocrite" is one thing. To call someone a moron because of their spiritual beliefs or to insult the faith of another is again, one thing.

But child abusers and ped supporters (which would lead to question if that person is involved in it as well) which are vile accusations that one could be investigated for....that's something completely different.

People have been turned in for far less. Today, people are investigated just for suspicion. One call....that's all it takes!

And beside that point, its abusive to make such accusations especially when that opinion is not backed with EVIDENCE!

I'm not tolerating it any further.

If you want to over look someone who claims you support sexually abusing an alter boy, that is your decision.

I find it disgusting that people make those accusations.

Lisa,

BBob is an absolute asshole for his accusations.

My point being his accusations aren't any worse than what sells as 'discourse' on this site.

Pedophile is no more insidious a term than is racist.

Yet, I am routinely called a racist, not only by the rank-and-file of the DNC, but by the MSM as well for having the AUDACITY to disagree with Obama's prescription for our health-care problems.

BBob is a dick for his accusations. However, he is no worse than what poses for Dem leadership, or GOP leadership; for that matter.

I saw this on the subway this morning and let out a Wha-WHa-WHAT?!!
"Here you go, Hag, this is a mirror-image of your 'face' ..."
Posted by tadowe
What did I do? And what's that supposed to mean?
#425 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine

You might not have "done" anything.
It doesn't matter.
What matters is, he's left Kasa Kacynski.
Made his way down through Little Jack's Creek, past Big Jack's Creek, through the Sawtooths, over the Owyhee, across the Bitteroots, and past the Craters of the Moon, directly into your subway system.
Be afraid, Hagbard.
Be very afraid.

#428 | Posted by JeffJ | Flag: Fully Paid-Up Member, Riiightist Cult of Victimhood

I absolutely respect their right of others to disagree with my views---don't I have the right to disagree with theirs?

It's not respectful to make a list of people and call them "pedophile defenders" because they don't agree with you on a subject that most people would disagree with you about. You called me out for not believing this Bush stuff, and I gave you my honest opinion that I think your claim trivializes Polanski's crime.

As for whether my description of that book was mocking or not, to be honest I do find stuff like that pretty ridiculous. I think that most of that stuff, like the things that Art Bell used to cover on his radio show, is made up. Should I be honest about that, or do you expect people to treat a self-published book by the Brice Taylor Trust the same as they'd treat the Washington Post? I focus on the stuff that reaches the mainstream, because the mainstream media has much more to lose when it reports inaccurate information than random people on YouTube and obscure book publishers.

What matters is, he's left Kasa Kacynski.
Made his way down through Little Jack's Creek, past Big Jack's Creek, through the Sawtooths, over the Owyhee, across the Bitteroots, and past the Craters of the Moon, directly into your subway system.
Be afraid, Hagbard.
Be very afraid.
#429 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

If there was truth to any of that, I'd have to start wondering if I actually had met him before.

Then I would be very afraid indeed.

Kasa Kacynski... lol.

That guy was a luddite. He'd never use a computer.

Pedophile is no more insidious a term than is racist.

In my opinion, associating someone with pedophilia is much worse than associating them with racism. Both are inflammatory, but it's a matter of degree.

do you expect people to treat a self-published book by the Brice Taylor Trust the same as they'd treat the Washington Post? I focus on the stuff that reaches the mainstream, because the mainstream media has much more to lose when it reports inaccurate information than random people on YouTube and obscure book publishers.
#431 | Posted by rcade


The man's obviously deluded.
Or part of that, the name of which one dare not mention.
~JiggyNDenmark

In my opinion, associating someone with pedophilia is much worse than associating them with racism. Both are inflammatory, but it's a matter of degree.

#433 | Posted by rcade

Depends on how far someone takes their racism, I guess.

In my opinion, associating someone with pedophilia is much worse than associating them with racism. Both are inflammatory, but it's a matter of degree.
#433 | Posted by rcade

And taste.
~J. Dahmer


After a night of thinking about this, a few comments.

I made #1 on Buffalo BoB's enemies list!!!!! Sweet:)

Enemy list smememy list, beyond some comic relief, a non-issue. Facists and commies gotta have their lists for who will be first into to gulag.

What drove me to a rather extreme state of anger was the moronic notion that in order for ANYONE, especially a conservative, to condemn the proven rape of child, a DEMAND was made that they first endource Buffalo Bob's crackpot accusation.

BoB thinks the rape of children cannot be condemned by ANYONE, unless they endource his theories. After all, if someone posts a YouTube video, its gotta be true.

BoB reminds me afresh why I so passionately HATE people like Van Jones and those who give friendly and supportive toleration to the toxic society destroying filth they spew.

As for Polanski....

Polanski is popular amongst the "popular kids" in hollywood. That the debate on Polanski has achieved its present state IS PROOF of the bazzare and corrupt nature of much (not all) of the press and the 'popular' elites.

If a SIDE ISSUE simply must be attached to the Polanski rape story, the ONLY REASONABLE WAY to do it, is to condemn Polanski as a pervent who need a few decades in maximum security prision starting immediately, and then, only after the above point is FIRMLY established as the point of utmost importance, ONLY THEN, mention the 'related issue'.

A point on Pedophila.

An individual with pedophila is not automaticly a bad person.

A PRACTICING pedophilo is always a bad person.

A person who is a pedophile, and realizes that the desires are evil, and resists them, is actually a person of high character (although I would not want any kids around them).

On a related note, a pedophile who suppresses his or her evil desires only due to fear of the law and/or social consquences IS a bad person, but is at least controlled.

I'd even go so far as to call it mental illness of a type where the sick person is FULLY AND 100% RESPONSIBLE if they ACT on the impulses.


But it wasn't "rape-rape", according to Whoopi.

Whoopi... why in the hell does that woman even ware glasses? She's never looking through them. I can't even look at her... I am overwhelmed with a desire to shove 'em to the correct location upon the bridge of her nose. Maybe it's like a Michael Jackson's glove thing... her trademark? I think it further enhances her Muppet-like appearance.

Regardless, it appears all these Hollywood types are showing their true colors... while jumping blindly on the latest "fight for the cause" bandwagon. Must suck having such empty lives that they need causes like this to seem useful - beyond the screen.

From the topic: "Courts Did More Harm Than Polanski" (that needs repeating)

...What an asinine headline! Uh, if Polanski wouldn't have drugged and raped the 13 year-old chick in the first place then the courts wouldn't have had to get involved now would they?

Yeah, fuck the law. As long as the victim says no foul what the hell. Nice way to run a railroad.
#89 | Posted by ELCIDCE90


Right? I totally agree w/ your sarcasm.
If that was indeed the case, how easy would it be to put a hit out on ones spouse and simply pardon the murderer because there were no hard feelings from "the loss"? I can't believe there's even a debate about this!

A pedophile is a pedophile.
This worthless piece of shit should rot under the prison.
Heres hoping you get a broom handle 3 feet up your ass, Polanski.

As for hollyweird, look for a multi billion dollar lawsuit on Spielberg and Lucas, VERY shortly.
Hollyweird and the world are about to be rocked.

Theft, fraud and conspiracy.

Trust me, the truth will blow your mind.

I would imagine that its already been mentioned about him using drugs on her but I didnt know until yesterday that he also sodomized her.

dont send him to jail
castrate the bastard

For an asshole, Rob sure gets mentioned with fondness around here. I'm pretty sure you all would trade me for him. -- #304 | Posted by rcade

Like a lot of IT-related jobs -- you can count on hearing from a zillion people when something crashes, but no one ever drops by to tell you how happy they are when everything is going well.

Apologies for anything I may have done to contribute to that. It's a great site, and babysitting us 24/7 has got to be a thankless job some days.

"In my opinion, associating someone with pedophilia is much worse than associating them with racism. Both are inflammatory, but it's a matter of degree."

Racists can be educated. It is pretty common for people to change their views on race during their lifetime.

Next time I hear of a reformed pedophile will be the first time.

"But hey -- I work on an oil rig. I can't do my job without getting filthy.

#395 | Posted by goatman"


Classic! Tweedle Goat now fantasizes that he is a roughneck, when everyone already knows what he does on the rig.

By the way, Tweedle Goat, since you still seem to have a hard time understanding, I'll explain this to you one more time:


I submit that if most normal men were called "fat," "short," "grumpy," and "old," by some anonymous guy on the internet, the very last thing on their mind would be that the guy was sexually attracted to them. For you, obviously, that is the first thing that comes to mind. That's OK. If you want to believe that I am attracted to you because I call you fat and old, then go for it. It is, as you know, a free country. Even for fat, old wanna-be homosexual perverts like you.

That, Tweedle, is the last time I am going to explain that to you. The next time you claim that you asked me about it and I refuse to explain myself, I'm just going to ignore you. OK? Sound like a plan?

the very last thing on their mind would be that the guy was sexually attracted to them

As I keep telling you if it is said a few times, I agree it is not big deal. But when it goes on for months (has it been over a year now, even? I think so) one can't help but to wonder if there some sort of perverse attraction involved.

It is you who keeps these fantasies about me alive, m'boor. You may refuse to admitthat fact, and you may hate it being suggested that it involves a deeper, more degenerate obsession -- but it is indeed a fact that you have fantasized about me for many months as any reader here knows.

Own it and deal with it.

Classic! Tweedle Goat now fantasizes that he is a roughneck, when everyone already knows what he does on the rig.

LOL m'boor is so stupid he thinks roughnecds are the only ones who get dirty on a rig. Yes, I'm an ET. Tell me, my rig know it all -- how does an ET get into the diverter housing to work on a gas detector without getting covered in drilling mud? How does an ET work on the control systems of the shale shakers without getting covered in grime? How does an ET work on the control and alarms on the ballast and bilge systems without getting filthy? How does an ET work on the RTDs (telemetry sensor and transmiters) on the diesel engines without coming out covered in grease.

Go fantasize about someone else and how they do their job, weirdo. I know my job better than you know my job.

The child abuse accusations coupled with the accusations of supporting a ped have gone way beyond crossing the line.

#423 | Posted by Lisa at 2009-10-01 07:47 AM | Reply | Flag

Still waiting for that accusation of child abuse towards you. You need to post it or STFU. Here is the closest I can find--I see no accusation against you--I see me stating my opinion of teaching religion to children is child abuse, but no personal accusaton toward you, and at the end I state I support your right to do as you see fit.

Nice that you think I abuse my children though.

That's my opinion--yes. Teaching things that have been proven false, and having children believe it, is child abuse to me. Take thanking God for the food you eat. Thank the farmer--thank the retail food distributors in your area, thank the government for the safety regulations that keep the food clean. God had nothing to do with it. How do you explain to your children the millions who starve to death each year? The Christian Children's Fund constantly reminds us that 25,000 died last night. Do you explain that God didn't give them food, and explain why? Do you explain why God let millions die in gas chambers, no matter how much they prayed before they went in? In short--do you explain all sides of the story? Do you explain that the stories of the bible are edited from stories from religions that have been discarded long ago, and let your children make up their own minds about what to believe? I don't think so.

I do support your right to raise your(children) in your religion and to teach them what you want---it is your job to educate them for society. I just don't support people who want to take their religion and force it on others through their positions of power and influence--like a school, or school function.

#128 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-09-19 10:59 AM | Reply | Flag

I consider teaching children religious dogma to be brainwashing, and child abuse. That includes ALL religions, and ALL people who do it. That's a few billion people--not just you--there was no accusation against you personally, and as shown at the end I say I support your right to teach your children any way you like. I also stated that I would die for your right to do so, in an earlier post on this thread.

As much as I disagree with religion, I would give my life to protect the right of anyone to worship as they please. It would do no good to attempt take away such a right---the only way for mankind to grow up is to realize that such beliefs are mistaken, and the only purpose of mankind is not to worship and glorify an imaginary deity, but to grow in knowledge and GTFO this planet before it becomes unliveable.

#387 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-10-01 03:58 AM | Reply | Flag

"how does an ET get into the diverter housing to work on a gas detector without getting covered in drilling mud? How does an ET work on the control systems of the shale shakers without getting covered in grime? How does an ET work on the control and alarms on the ballast and bilge systems without getting filthy? How does an ET work on the RTDs (telemetry sensor and transmiters) on the diesel engines without coming out covered in grease.

#448 | Posted by goatman"


I have the answer to all those questions: He doesn't. He sits on his fat ass poking at his laptop, pretending to be many things he is not, including the object of some dude's desire.

I'm sorry to break it to you, Tweedle, no matter how many times I crack on you for being fat and old, whether it is true or not, it doesn't mean I'm attracted to you. If this hurts your feelings I'm sorry, but you need to get over it, fat old boy.

Without Bbob this site wouldn't have any knowledge of smokestacks on the moon or the deadly potency of a car antenna as a weapon.

You seem to mock the Smokestack and the car antenna points.--you also seem to think that they are eaily proven wrong--or false--or foolish concepts, as shown HERE:

If for nothing more than easily proving him wrong, he generates site traffic

#424 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-10-01 08:05 AM | Reply | Flag

Glad to hear about easily proving me wrong JeffJ--I have been waiting for someone with your giant brain to come along for some time to clear up my confusion as to WTF is going on up on the moon. Please explain what this is, so we can finally put this to rest.

www.youtube.com

As to the car antenna--gosh--I'm sure glad you have patience--can you please explain how a gun you can't get to is a better defense than a car antenna in your hand? I must admit, I fail to understand your logic--but then, that's why you have the giant brain, and I'm just the guy with questions.

Waiting on you.

;-)

#422 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-10-01 07:08 AM | Reply | Flag

eI have the answer to all those questions: He doesn't.

He doesn't? Then who fixes these things on the rig? Most people in the fleet actually think the ETs do. I guess it's really rig gnomes. LOL

Nothing is more pathetic than someone who knows nothing about a subject tell someone who is an integral part of it how it happens. And you still maintain you don't spin fantasies about me. LOL

Seriously, m'boor, you need to direct your fantasies elsewhere. I do indeed know my job and how I do it better than you do whether you choose to admit it or not. LOL

"Seriously, m'boor, you need to direct your fantasies elsewhere.

#452 | Posted by goatman"


Actually, Tweedle, I'll direct them wherever the fuck I please. It amuses me to watch you get all bent out of shape when I yank your chain. (Go ahead - make that into a sexual reference. That's obviously what floats your boat.)

can you please explain how a gun you can't get to is a better defense than a car antenna in your hand?

Will you please explain how having something at hand and not having somethin at hand are equal scenarios?

You are an idiot, bOoB

Tweedle Goat, an integral part of it how it happens. Keep telling yourself that. LOL.

Actually, Tweedle, I'll direct them wherever the fuck I please.

Clearly. LOL

For over a year your fantasies have been directed to me. Isn't there anything better in your life to fantasize about? I realize I should be flattered (I guess in a primitive way I am) but isn't it kind of sad having a life whose imaginitive outlets are focused on an oil rig worker?

Even as recently as a few minutes ago you fantasize about me sitting on my "fat" ass and not getting dirty at my job -- when in reality you haven't a clue about it.

You are obsessed with me. It may not be sexual as you say (but in my heart I feel it is) but there is no denying there is an obsession with me that you openly keep alive.

Tweedle Goat, an integral part of it how it happens. Keep telling yourself that.

OK.

"For over a year your fantasies have been directed to me.... You are obsessed with me.

#456 | Posted by goatman"


I know you'd like to believe that, and I don't really want to disabuse you of that notion, but I give shit to Vernon for being old and having a fat Filipina wife, to joe for going to a shitty law school and being a paralegal, to CC for not getting any, to Tosser for being a bicycle-riding falafel saleman, etc. etc. etc. I doubt any of these things are true, but it's fun to fuck around. Sorry, Tweedle, but you are far from the only one, and far from an obsession.

In other words, as much as you like the idea of this being The Goatman Retort, it's not. Sorry to break it to you, but it's not all about you, old man.

Lastly, funny thing, even though you are one of many who I fuck around with using false/exaggerated "info," you are the only one who turns that into some sort of deviant sexual attraction. Think about that, Tweedle. The only one.

"For over a year your fantasies have been directed to me.... You are obsessed with me.

#456 | Posted by goatman"

I know you'd like to believe that...

Actually, I wouldn't like to believe it. But it's true.

Who opened this current repartee (to put it kindly) between us today? It was you with you post at noon. Who was the first one yesterday on this thread? Again, it was you. Between you and me, who is ALWAYS the first to go after the other. Again, you.

Pretend that this isn't an obsession of yours with me if it makes you feel better. But the fact it is always you opening the "dialogue" proves that this is not true.

You are obsessed with me, old man. Your refusal to own that fact only further darkens the pathos you deny exists here.

"Again, it was you. (blah blah blah)
Posted by goatman"


If I give you shit for anything, anything at all (and you often deserve it - not always, but often), then you invariably come back with this sexual/obsessed retort. You are the one who turns a normal, everyday critical post, the kind that happens here all the time, everyday, into this weird sexual thing. Own it, Tweedle. It's yours you fucking weirdo.

Sorry to break it to you, but it's not all about you, old man.

I wouldn't know that judging from whom your fantasies are directed.

BTW, got any more information you can tell me about my job and how it's done and how I don't get dirty? Unlike your sexual fantasies, I actually found that kind of amusing. When I go on tour this evening I'm going to show the previous one and hopefully subsequent ones to a couple of co-workers for some laughs.

Speaking of going on tour, you are the only one who ever noted what time I go eat. If that's not proof of an obsession with me (as if you other posts weren't) I don't know what is.

Pretend that this isn't an obsession of yours with me if it makes you feel better. But the fact it is always you opening the "sexual attraction dialogue" proves that this is not true.

"When I go on tour this evening I'm going to show the previous one and hopefully subsequent ones to a couple of co-workers for some laughs.

#463 | Posted by goatman"


If that is what you do for laughs, I feel sorry for you. Your life kinda sucks. Well, not kinda.

"Speaking of going on tour, you are the only one who ever noted what time I go eat. If that's not proof of an obsession with me (as if you other posts weren't) I don't know what is.

#463 | Posted by goatman"


Actually, someone else noted first that you ate at the same time as geriatrics in rest homes. I wish it was me that saw that first, but I can't take credit where credit is not due. (It is fucking funny, though.)

If I give you shit for anything, anything at all (and you often deserve it - not always, but often), then you invariably come back with this sexual/obsessed retort.

I admitted up thread the possibility it is not sexual. But you are just diverting from the fact you have an obsession with me. If this is not true, why is it ALWAYS you who fires the first shot? Always.

It is because you are obsessed with me. If not, please explain why you ALWAYS fire the first shot.

"I wouldn't know that judging from whom your fantasies are directed.

#463 | Posted by goatman"

Dang, Tweedle, you have a short attn span. Remember Vernon? Joe? Tosser? CC? I can add Nanc and "special son," Murphy and her "kankles." I can go on and on, if it won't hurt your feelings.

you ALWAYS fire the first shot

Was that sexual? I can't tell anymore.

Pretend that this isn't an obsession of yours with me if it makes you feel better.

No pretense necessary. You ALWAYS fire the first shot. Any reasonably thinking person would assume that if there is an obsession involved, it would be yours -- not mine.

You are obsessed with me, old man. Buck up and admit it.

"Lastly, funny thing, even though you are one of many who I fuck around with using false/exaggerated "info," you are the only one who turns that into some sort of deviant sexual attraction. Think about that, Tweedle. The only one.

#460 | Posted by mOntecOre"


I'll answer your #467, if you address/explain this.

Was that sexual? I can't tell anymore.

#469 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-10-01 02:23 PM | Reply | Flag: Funny

Your life kinda sucks

Yes it does when I'm on the rig. But the 26 weeks a year I don't work, it is the best life imaginable.

But that deflection aside, you are obsessed with me and won't admit it.

Was that sexual? I can't tell anymore.

lol

I take the first shot against you more often because you put yourself out there more often. You make 20 posts for every one of mine, and lots of them beg for a retort. That's what this place is about, if you haven't realized it yet. If I post something you feel you want to make a retort to, go for it old guy. And when you do (and you might find this strange, but it's true), I won't think it's because you're sexually attracted to me.

Now, care to address why, even though you are only one of many who I fuck around with using false/exaggerated "info," you are the only one who turns that into some sort of deviant sexual attraction?

I'll answer your #467, if you address/explain this.

That's easy and obvious, isn't it?

Though your fantasies about me occasionally wander elsewhere, they mainly focus on my physique and physical appearance. If the focused on what kind of car I drive or my favorite foods, I would not make a sexual connection. But the fact that they focus on my appearance suggests something sexual.

He is clearly obsessed with me

#361 | Posted by goatman

Kinda of like stalking Bob all day and making threads about him, eh, GoatbOob?

OK, so calling you Old and Fat (we'll ignore grumpy, poor, your job, the time you eat, etc., just for the sake of your silly argument) means that I'm sexually attracted to you?

OK, Tweedle. I think I might understand you now.

Rcade

It's not respectful to make a list of people and call them "pedophile defenders" because they don't agree with you on a subject that most people would disagree with you about.

Disagreeing with me is not what got you on the list. What got you on the list was ignoring all evidence against HW Bush, and using the word LUDICROUS as your only retort.

You called me out for not believing this Bush stuff, and I gave you my honest opinion that I think your claim trivializes Polanski's crime.

Not at all--I called you out for failing to defend your point of view. To me, it is an insult to all the children who report abuse, and the adult says LUDICROUS instead of investigatiing the childs claim. I fail to see how my claim trivializes Polanskis crime when I have said SEVERAL TIMES that I agree with the most vociferous of those against him. I see your dismissal of the claims against HW BUSH without investigation or rebuttal other than to say LUDICROUS as a trivialization of pedophilia in general, and to show the kind of support a pedophile needs to get away with his crime.

As for whether my description of that book was mocking or not, to be honest I do find stuff like that pretty ridiculous.

Yeah--but the book wasn't ALL THERE WAS, was it. There were SEVERAL books, and Brice Taylor didn't publish that book herself, it was published by the Brice Taylor Trust---which means that lots of people put their money in to get the book published. I can understand a well established publisher turning her down--if I were that publisher, I would probably decline her book myself.

I think that most of that stuff, like the things that Art Bell used to cover on his radio show, is made up.

I would have considered this the same way--except for the corroborating evidence from several different unrelated sources.

Should I be honest about that, or do you expect people to treat a self-published book by the Brice Taylor Trust the same as they'd treat the Washington Post?

You seem to dismiss the Washington Post also---and the FBI agent---and the other books---and the other victim report---see how this is going? You ignore all else, and convince yourself Brice Taylor is the only source.

I focus on the stuff that reaches the mainstream, because the mainstream media has much more to lose when it reports inaccurate information than random people on YouTube and obscure book publishers.

Again, you ignore that there are several different sources, and the Franklin Cover Up involved several big names. This book was written by John DeCamp--a State Senator from Nebraska. He was told to write the book by William Colby--former CIA director who had knowledge of what was going on at Boys Town.

I wrote my book at the suggestion of William Colby, the former director of the CIA. He said: "Write it for your own protection. Tell the story and nobody will have any reason to do you in, since you've already said it. They may try to make you sound like a kook, but at least they won't have to kill you to shut you up."

William Colby was later found dead.

Here is a good link-- scroll past theWashington Post article I already posted, and see if you can still dismiss it as "Art Bell stuff"

www.jesus-is-savior.com

#431 | Posted by rcade at 2009-10-01 08:40 AM | Reply | Flag

Nice point, Nulli. Tweedle goes to the trouble of actually making threads about Bob. Following his logic, Tweedle Goat wants to fuck Tweedle Bob. (It would probably do him some good.)

Actually, someone else noted first that you ate at the same time as geriatrics in rest homes.

Maybe old people eat in shifts too. Since we don't eat when we are on tour (except for lunch) the galley stays open 1.5 hours before and after shift change. Odd that makes a geriatric connection with someone.

I take the first shot against you more often because you put yourself out there more often

It doesn't matter how often I 'put myself out there'. The fact remains you always fire the first shot. If you weren't obsessed with me you wouldn't do that.

Own it, old man.

Kinda of like stalking Bob all day and making threads about him, eh, GoatbOob?

It's almost exactly like that except my intentions aren't sexual.

It's almost exactly like that except my intentions aren't sexual.

#484 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-01 02:39 PM | Reply | Flag: Can't Let The Fantasy Die

OK, Tweedle. I think I might understand you now.

It took you long enough.

I take the first shot because you post idiotic things that deserve a response. You don't take the first shot because I don't post idiotic things.

There, solved that one for you. Next?

I can't tell if Monte is trolling Goat, or if Goat is trolling Monte. This is a great battle worthy of Moby Dick II or something!

Nice point, Nulli. Tweedle goes to the trouble of actually making threads about Bob. Following his logic, Tweedle Goat wants to fuck Tweedle Bob.

If you can show me a single post where I talk about bOoB's physique I'll concede that point..

Amd I thought you just said you understood.

*sigh*

You don't

#484 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-01 02:39 PM | Reply | Flag: Can't Let The Fantasy Die knows all too well. Will again let his obsession with me fire the first shot on another day. Mark my words.

"This is a great battle worthy of Moby Dick II or something!"

A little too early for popcorn. I wish these guys would stage their fights in primetime.

You don't take the first shot because I don't post idiotic things.

It's refreshing to see a fantasy that's not directed at me. lol

"Own it, old man.

#483 | Posted by goatman"


Uh oh. I think Tweedle Goat is starting to become sexually attracted to me. He bases his whole theory on the fact that I call him old and fat. He is now calling me old. I think that means he's got a half-chub.

I can't tell if Monte is trolling Goat, or if Goat is trolling Monte.

I know it's difficult but the true indicator of who is the troll would be to see who went after whom first.

Null,
Maybe there will be a second show later, but being trapped at work I am loving this matine showing.

He is now calling me old.

???

What does your age have to do with sexuality? I'm not referring to your physique, but the year you were born.

S T R E T C H that logic, m'boor! LOL

#495 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-01 02:48 PM

This is a real struggle though so maybe the prey became the hunter.

So it's only the "fat" thing now? That's all you got to make your leap to sexual attraction? Geez, Tweedle Goat, I may have to put you away for the day - that is weak, at best.

Maybe there will be a second show later, but being trapped at work I am loving this matine showing.

This one is over for me on this thread anyway. I don't do the over 500 thing. Too much trouble.

So m'boor, if you want to continue your obsessive fantasies with me, you'll have to fire the first shot on another thread (as you always do). The over 500 threads are too much trouble.

Nah, I'm done with you for now Tweedle. When you're reduced to "calling someone fat = sexual attraction," there's not much left to debate.

Roman Polanski pleaded guilty.

Plenty of people plead guilty when they're actually innocent.

If you really have this level of faith in the criminal justice system, that a guilty plea is incontrovertible proof that what's being plead to actually happened, you're either willfully ignorant or extremely stupid. Or both.

Hey, by that logic, if everyone who pleads guilty is guilty, I suppose everyone who pleads not guilty is not guilty. OJ didn't do it after all!

It's been thirty years. Unless he's raped other girls, it seems like he was able to rehabilitate himself and no longer poses a threat to society. What tangible benefit is accrued by the investment of our tax dollars to prosecute and incarcerate him?

I realize many of you enjoy paying extra so you can get your vengeance. I don't think it's worth it. Vengeance doesn't benefit anyone, and it's not worth spending our taxes on. See Also: War on Drugs.

I dont think that holding this prick accountable is a Left or Right thing. It is a Right or Wrong thing.

Anyone who thinks he should be given a pass probably think that that prick who kidnapped Jaycee Lee Dugard should be given a pass.

But Whoopie said it wasn't "rape,rape"

I don't understand why women and other liberals would have a problem with this...

He could wind up in jail next to Charlie Manson ...how Ironic!!!!
Literal Evolutionists/Athiests shouldn't mind rape as long as the victim is of child bearing age Nature isn't symbolic and it is the absolute Truth
lol
peace
Dark

"As for religion, Rcade lets you and the other atheists on here have all the free reign you all want when it comes to debating, discussing, and bashing religion and/or God so you've got no legit complaint there.

#295 | Posted by CalifChris at 2009-10-01 12:54 AM"


How do you know rcade isn't an atheist who let's you religious people have free reign?

#385 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-10-01 03:46 AM


Alright, on that particular point I'll say touche.


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