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Sunday, September 27, 2009

Unable to find steady work in a dismal Florida job market, Dan Kearns did something a lot of gainfully employed Americans can only dream of: Ditch the straight life and hike the length of the Appalachian Trail. "If you do this on the trail, you're a hiker," says one man on the trail. "If you do this off the trail, you're a bum."

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Is it "bum" or "environmental elitist".
I wish they'd make up their minds.

That is one of the biggest regrets I have in my life -- not hiking the trail.

When I got out of the Navy, I toured a large part of the US on my motorcycle. My plan was to go home after that and hike the AT. I trained for about a month when a job offer came by that I couldn't pass up. I took it, and it took my dream. I'll always regret that decision.

This is a cool story.

I love this line..."I couldn't find a job so I decided to take a walk"

What an over achiever!

#2 - Goatman you are a fascinating person, but your post is off topic.

#2 - Goatman you are a fascinating person, but your post is off topic.

It happens a lot on the DR. At least it did include the AT which is what the article is about. That makes it as close to being on topic as this post. *g*

It's ok Goatman, I like your stories.

Keep them coming!

WSJ is owned by a immigrant who most likely never hiked a mile in his life, and probably is deathly afraid of ants.

Fuck Murdoch, he just wants to screw with our natural order.

I've always wanted to hike the trail because it passes through my ancestors territory. In fact, I need to, because I won't feel complete until I do.

I wish I could kick Rupert in the nuts someday. Really hard.

Heck, Goat-m, you missed my other post on that thread where I said the universe before this current universe was bigger. Why can't you hike the trail? I hate it that now, according to the WSJ, if you are hiking the trail you might be assumed to be a bum. (The real topic of the thread).

I've never walked the AT...but since I live in WV, and love wild food, I'm relatively sure I've walked the length of it, at a minimum. Not to mention regular hunting season, 5 years as a logger, etc, etc...

Why can't you hike the trail

My age (54 next week) and I would have to take a several month leave of absence. I could do it financially, but I wouldn't be guaranteed my job when I came back.

Also I am now an insulin dependant diabetic, but I think I could deal with that.

My age (54 next week)

#11 | Posted by goatman at 2009-09-26 10:34 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose) Practically Jailbait

Apparently the oldest person to thru-hike the trail was 79. When I walked on the AT a little bit one day I wanted to just forget everything and keep on going.

#11 | Posted by goatman at 2009-09-26 10:34 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose) Practically Jailbait

Fifty will get you twenty

I would love dearly to climb mount Everest. I do not however think that I will ever get that chance.

When I walked on the AT a little bit one day I wanted to just forget everything and keep on going.

I know what you mean. I hiked the first few miles at the southern terminus in N Georgia.

I used to live just three miles from Kennesaw Mountain Battlefield. I loved hiking there. I hiked there for 13 years. I know every trail by heart. I love seeing the old earthworks and if you know what to look for you can still see a few old trees with bullets in them from the battle.

I would love dearly to climb mount Everest.

I have no desire to do that. But I did hike to the top of Henley Peak in the Black Hills, SD with my son. It is the tallest mountain between the Rockies and the Pyrrenes in Europe.

Here's a picture to prove it.

My age (54 next week)

Between September 23 to October 22

That puts your Sun sign in Libra but I thought you were in the middle of October -- not at the beginning. I may have your Moon sign wrong now. I figured your Moon was in Gemini (which really fit you too). Now your Moon might be messed up. lol

What date in October?

My first born turns 28 tomorrow.

I don't understand how time could go so fast.

I looked up BuffaloBob's Sun sign which is Cancer. So many different astrological sign characteristics fit a person born under a particular sign there is definitely something to the study of astrology. Scoff all you want.

Tomorrow my brother and I and his 5 year old daughter are going to take a little stroll along a tiny piece of the Pinhoti Trail here in Alabama. Some of the leaves have got nice colors coming already.

What date in October?

7 and 8. I was born at the very stroke of midnight. My BC says 8. The doctor let my mother choose which date for the BC and she chose 8 because that made it exactly one week before her birthday.

8 is good. 2 cubed. 7, being prime would've been OK, too.

Goat -

That puts your Sun sign in Libra but I thought you were in the middle of October -- not at the beginning. I may have your Moon sign wrong now. I figured your Moon was in Gemini (which really fit you too). Now your Moon might be messed up.

I was wrong. I screwed up the month. You are September so you are Libra but I kept thinking the date was in the middle of the month, not so close to the end. My error.

Scoff all you want.

I was trying to be polite and not do that. But OK. *SCOFF!*

*G*

I'm going with 8. "8" seems to come up a lot with you on a number of things. October 8 it is.

Now I'm going to check out your Moon sign and see if it's in Gemini or if I had it wrong.

I'll let you know when I get back what it is.

Hey....my dad's birthday is the 8th of October!!

Too funny.

Hey if You get a chance do mine Christine. November 10 1971 at 2:24PM Thanks in advance.

Brett Favre was borned on October 10 1969

#28

I know!! :)

This is way off topic now CC. What's next your Jeanne Dixon persona?

Well, thanks for the chat folks. Feeling a little sick.

Gonna go watch a movie...my fingers are getting hoarse.

Have a pleasant evening.

Ciao

Yes, you're Moon sign is still in Cancer whether I use October 7 or 8. I used GMT-6 for the time zone.

Moon signs in astology are almost as important as where your Sun sign is located as far as characteristics go. And all this time I figured your Moon to be in Gemini but now I learn it's in the sign of Cancer. Actually, it might be a change for the better. Moon in Gemini people can be too wild and scattered sometimes. Moon in Cancer means you might be more normal than I thought. lol

#11 | Posted by goatman at 2009-09-26 10:34 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose) Practically Jailbait

Fifty will get you twenty

#14 | Posted by goatman

Yeah I guess it will but after seeing your buck-naked butt a few months ago I'm willing to do the time!!!! [kisses]

G'night, Lisa. Any big games on this weekend?

Give your little one a hug. Of course he's not so little anymore! Next thing I know he'll be married.

Larry,

November 10, 1971 has their Sun sign in SCORPIO

Your Moon sign is in LEO.

Sun and Moon signs control different aspects of one's characteristics -- Sun sign is more in line with describing one's outward personality, while their Moon sign more aptly describes one's inner emotions. Just google "male moon in leo" and you'll come up with a few descriptions.

It doesn't so much predict what will happen, I'm not that into it. Just gives you a broad general look at the type of person who is born under a particular sign, but of course each one is different depending on where you are born, time, etc. all come into play. It's just a kick to play around with astrology although some people take it really serious and base their day on it. I don't even read my daily horoscope anymore, just look at different astrological signs sometimes for fun.

Lisa

Well, thanks for the chat folks. Feeling a little sick.

Missed this first line in your post. Otherwise wouldn't have asked you to about any games being on, etc. if I had seen his first sentence. Hope you feel better by tomorrow.

Thanks Christine much appreciated.

Moon in Cancer means you might be more normal than I thought.

See? I told you it was BS!

See? I told you it was BS!

Not necessarily. I'll have to read up on Moon in Cancer some more before I have an opinion. Intellectually you fit Moon in Gemini (the first Moon sign I thought was yours) as those with Moon in Gemini gravitate to and are guided more by an interest in the intellect than they are being guided by emotions (which is more like those with Moon in Cancer).

Interest in intellectual things seems to fit you much better as I'm not sure I'd categorize you as "Mr. Emotions" by any stretch of the imagination.

I know this sort of astrological/metaphysical, non-scientific stuff drives you up a wall. Which, of course, makes it even more fun for me to do to you.

Also you're probably wondering if there's an astrological sign for "bitch" and that my own Moon sign must be in it. lol

just playing around. see ya later

Tomorrow my brother and I and his 5 year old daughter are going to take a little stroll along a tiny piece of the Pinhoti Trail here in Alabama. Some of the leaves have got nice colors coming already.

#21 | Posted by grumpy_too at 2009-09-26 11:19 PM

Wish I could join them. I'll bet the tree leaves are beautiful right now. How long do they change different colors before they start to fall from the trees? I'd love to go back East one year and be able to see it -- especially up in Vermont and upper state NY and thereabouts.

I know this sort of astrological/metaphysical, non-scientific stuff drives you up a wall.

It doesn't drive me up the wall at all. I just think it's muy tonto. I mean, what if someone was born one second before midnight at the end of a zodiacal sign unit. (sep 22, e.g.) Is that to say that if he was born one second later and in another zodiacal sign, my personality would be different for the rest of my life?

Makes no sense to me.

if he was born one second later and in another zodiacal sign, my personality would be different for the rest of my life?

#41 | Posted by goatman

After careful study of all the astrological factors relating to your birth Goat if you had been born 1 second sooner you'd be Buffoon_Boob and I second later Boyd so thank your lucky stars buddy!

Yeah, Chris, it's called seasons, and weather!

Yeah, Chris, it's called seasons, and weather!


They have neither in the LA basin,same as Az pretty much,so you don't notice time going by and the next thing you know you're old.

I mean, what if someone was born one second before midnight at the end of a zodiacal sign unit. (sep 22, e.g.) Is that to say that if he was born one second later and in another zodiacal sign, my personality would be different for the rest of my life?

Makes no sense to me.

#41 | Posted by goatman at 2009-09-27 01:17 AM


And what you just wrote probably makes the most sense of all. Seriously.

Astrology signs just give you a broad basic blueprint as to aspects of each sign's personality traits. Of course someone's upbringing, where they were brought up (here or in some remote 3rd world country), their family members and their own life experiences are going to change all of that drastically.

Maybe I was too harsh in teasing you in my previous post? I just felt in a mood to give you a poke or two. Don't know why. *grin* Haven't you ever felt like just being a devil before yourself? Kinda half needle someone just for fun? But then you're always polite to me and never pick fights so I'll suppose I'll say mea culpa. I was half smiling when I wrote part of it (like about me knowing it would send you up a wall) but then how are you suppose to know I just felt like being a brat.

Anyway, in the link below is a summary of many of Libra's personality characteristics. (Excuse the misspellings. It's obviously been translated from elsewhere.) But read through the page and see if at least one or two traits might not fit you -- being a Libra. But, then again, you are correct as a few of those traits listed for Libra probably fit everyone in one way or another no matter what sign they were born under.

Libra Personality Traits

Libras are partial to the color blue. So are you. They do like cooking and fine food. So do you. But then again, how many people not born a Libra also like the color blue and to cook and like fine food. So you're right. It probably does make no sense. But I don't care. I have fun playing around with it. So I'm keeping my astrology games -- oh, and I'm keeping God too even if He doesn't make any sense to you either.

Geeze, poor Goat. Picking a fight with the guy and he did nothing to deserve it. Give me a kick in the butt right off this thread. lol

later

Grumpy too

Yeah, Chris, it's called seasons, and weather!

Hey, that's right. I'd forgotten what weather was like!

You remember weather, Bruceaz? You described AZ and CA perfectly in your #44. I long for a place with a change of weather. California is the same 362 days a year it seems. Good weather, bad weather -- but ANY weather where there is a change once in awhile.

That is one of the biggest regrets I have in my life -- not hiking the trail.

Uh, you can still hike it.

No training necessary. Just get your gear together, plan out your drop boxes and re-equips and start hiking. Maybe visit a doctor to make sure you don't have any strange conditions to be aware of. You're in your 50's. The oldest guy I've met that thru'd the AT was 63 when he did it.

A couple weeks ago, I did 15 miles in pisgah national forest in North carolina. The AT runs through the little town we were camped near. Temps never got too high, but still broke a good sweat. The French Broad river was a little high, but still cold and refreshing.

A buddy of mine hiked part of the northern end of the trail a few years back and during one rainy night got kicked out of a campsite that was nearer one of the trail towns by a gun toting lunatic and his homeless family who wanted to stay there.

I guess they were trend setters.

Is that to say that if he was born one second later and in another zodiacal sign, my personality would be different for the rest of my life?

Makes no sense to me.

#41 | Posted by goatman at 2009-09-27 01:17 AM |

You would still be the Douchebag you are.

You would still be the Douchebag you are.

Probably so, which only reinforces me about astrology being bs. Thanks itsy for supporting me here. Ususally all you do are cheap, mindless, and childish drivebyes.

Click,click...Boom Motherfucker.

it's just a matter of time before people get sick of all this technology and the majority of the people start living off the land again like how it use to be. Probably won't be a choice however.

Is it easy to get laid on the trail? I was thinking there might be some hungry hiker chicks who would trade cash for sex? I need to try that next summer.

Once this article circulates more, I'm sure that many people trying to apply where there are not jobs will hear: "Take a hike" :)

If enough of those bums walk the trail, libs can create a trillion dollar program to write the MFers a check at each rest stop.

I'd be lucky just to REACH the FIRST reststop. Check or No Check.

What About Using "War Bucks" to Fund the Hikers???

Instead of blowing all those $Trillions in US Taxpayer Money on CorpoRat America's "Oil Wars" in Iraq,Afhanistan,Pakistan...and soon Iran - why not give this apparently "free" money to these American hikers who will spend the money in America..and in doing so not kill any innocent people and not get killed themselves? Hey if you're not a fan of hiking then how about spending those $Trillions in east-to-get "War Bucks" on other American past times like health care,housing,nutrition and...jobs???

Is it easy to get laid on the trail? I was thinking there might be some hungry hiker chicks who would trade cash for sex? I need to try that next summer.

There's plenty of trail trash living just out of sight of the trail and shelters you could pick up. The regular women either section hiking, day hiking or thru hiking aren't so easy. Stick to paying for sex from mexican hookers.

I'd be lucky just to REACH the FIRST reststop. Check or No Check.

The first few sections of the trail are the hardest because they have such great gains in elevation. Still, I've seen 6 foot 400lb guys out there. You could always try south bound to make it easier on yourself, but you'll be very lonely because most hike north bound. Either way, but the time you got done you'd be fit significantly skinnier.

So where does this trail start and how much does it cost to hike it??

Larry

So where does this trail start and how much does it cost to hike it??

Georgia and Maine. It's free

I am surprised more women are not raped on the trail. I could see women a girl meeting a guy on the trail. He offers to share some food. Little does she know the drink in his thermos is loaded with GHB or spiked with GHB. Next thing you know she gets raped.

Don't even think about it Larry I know several people who've done the whole trail and they were experienced hikers. Start small and build maybe in 5 years you'll be ready to try

Shit dude You mean You start in Georgia and end up in Maine?? WOW Maybe I can see if they can develop a State shrinker and shrink the size of the States in between.

Larry

I used to know a man who field tested back pack equipment by hiking the appalachian trail. He told me he had traveled the full length of the trail 27 times over the 8 years he did this job. He was the most incredibly conditioned person I have ever met.

He told me incredible stories of how he perfected hiking the trail. He used to only carry 8 ounces of water with himself because he knew every location of fresh water on the trail. He carried a long tube to access underground springs.

So where does this trail start and how much does it cost to hike it??

Springer Mountain, Ga to Katahdin Mountain Maine.

Free to access the trail, but you're going to need a couple grand in gear and resupplies unless you're able to forage for food.

Plus you might want to stay at a few hostels along the way to rest, shower, repair gear, etc. Those cost money. Shuttle trips cost money.

I've been saving for my thru hike for nearly a year, but I won't actually make the trip for another 2 or 3 years. For one thing, I'm going to be gone from work for several months.

I can't guarantee that I'll have a job when I get back, so I need to have enough money saved up to survive for a few months when I get back.

Plus, I need to set up an account to make sure my bills are paid while I am gone. I'll probably vacate my house and put all my stuff into storage, but some things still need to be paid for.

On top of all that, I need to have spare gear, food and cooking fuel mailed out in drop boxes to various places along the trail.

Damn that sounds exciting Axiom. I wouldn't need hotels/motels I can sleep on the ground. Baths are easy just jump in a body of water and wash up and then dry. I'll have to figure out the gear part.

Larry

I would love dearly to climb mount Everest. I do not however think that I will ever get that chance.

#15 | Posted by LarryMohr

There are other mountains far less popular to be enjoyed. Everest has become a holding area for dozens of corpsicles, 100s of cast-off oxygen tanks, and various other flotsam and jetsam left behind by climbers who chose not to carry down the extra weight (that is, their trash).

Plus you probably need about 50k just to start.

Would not be worth it to me.

I guess I'm just not fashionable.

Is it easy to get laid on the trail? I was thinking there might be some hungry hiker chicks who would trade cash for sex? I need to try that next summer.

#53 | Posted by jackass

Yeah, that's a smart thing to do. No risk there.

Pretty sad when one has to "buy" a woman do what is basically masturbation.

"I was thinking there might be some hungry hiker chicks who would trade cash for sex?"

You trying to buy or sell?

I'll have to figure out the gear part.

#66 | Posted by LarryMohr

One rule: KILS

Keep It Light Stupid!

Water is always the killer. 1 gal = 8.35 pounds. Invest in a good water filtration system.

Take dry food that can be reconstituted with water. Wet foods can be tasty, but then there is that weight thing again.

Spend the bucks on a good sleeping bag and a good pack tent.

No cotton. That also means no jeans. Heavy. Bulky. You'll hate it when it gets wet.

Keep it small. I've known some folk who even cut the handle off the toothbrush to save weight.

Compare what you'll put on your back compared to the weight of the hog leg (plus ammo) you'll have on your hip.

Damn that sounds exciting Axiom. I wouldn't need hotels/motels I can sleep on the ground. Baths are easy just jump in a body of water and wash up and then dry. I'll have to figure out the gear part.

You have to understand that hiking the AT on one thru hike means you're starting early in the year and hiking for about 4-6 months. Some of that it's going to be hot as hell, them it will get cool and in altitude, cold.

Jumping in a body of water isn't always an option.

As for Zot's advice later in this thread, you don't always need filtration from a mechanical device. In fact, I've only ever used my water filter while testing it out. It's an expense I glad I made if I ever actually make this trip, but right now it's useless.

I carry Micro Pur tabs, a little chlorine bleach and a camp towel to filter the sediment out. If all else fails, I boil the water after I've let the sediment settle to the bottom of the container.

I used to carry heavy (4oz empty) nalgene water bottles, but have since started carrying a 20oz soda bottle. To show you how far some people are willing to go to get light, I've known guys to remove the plastic ring around that hangs loose around the bottom of the cap, remove the tags from their clothing and cut straps on a 300 dollar pack that they're not going to use.

The real bottom line is to learn that there are some things you can skimp on to save money. But whatever gear you have, you need to get to know it and learn why and how to use it effectively. Having gear with dual purposes is a great idea.

If you don't mind sleeping in the dirt, go for a lightweight tent. But, if you're like me, and don't want to sleep on the ground, look into hammock camping. All you need are two trees to set up and your impact on the environment is reduced because you don't have a huge foot print from the tent.

Or you could skip out on both and just make a tarp tent. I've got a few tarps that clock in at 10oz. Using my hiking poles, I can make an a-frame tent or one of several other shelters.

If you're really interested, Larry, check out whiteblaze.net

That's the defacto site for the AT and thru hikers. Try to ignore some of the rif raff asshats on the site, though.

There's information to be had there, but a lot of the folks who've managed to finish their thru hikes are a little uppity, despite that their greatest life accomplishment is walking.

You mean to tell me all these unemployed people have girlfriends in Argentina?

As for Zot's advice later in this thread, you don't always need filtration from a mechanical device. In fact, I've only ever used my water filter while testing it out. It's an expense I glad I made if I ever actually make this trip, but right now it's useless.

I carry Micro Pur tabs, a little chlorine bleach and a camp towel to filter the sediment out. If all else fails, I boil the water after I've let the sediment settle to the bottom of the container.

#72 | Posted by Axiom

Well... I still prefer to take my Katadyn bottle with me, plus an extra filter or two. Fill and squeeze. Nothing to worry about. Each filter good for 26 gallons. Yeah, I got the tabs and the cloth. The cloth especially on a river like the Colorado or the Green that are both so silty you'll clog a filter up in about 2 seconds.

Oh I'm not saying don't use them. Just for me, and my personal experience, I've humped my katadyn hiker pro for 4 or 5 30mi hikes and never took it out of my pack.

So I leave it at home.

Larry, aren't you afraid you'd get lost? :-)

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