Without the mystical man in the sky, there would be a lot less suffering in the world.

You can't blame G-D for Mankinds failings.

Larry

You can't blame G-D for Mankinds failings.

Just as you can't blame Santa Claus for no Christmas gifts.

You can't blame G-D for Mankinds failings.

#2 | Posted by LarryMohr

It's good to see you starting to take responsibility for your own actions Larry. Shows you're finally starting to growing up

[Sniff] I feel like Larry's one of my success stories now [sniff]

"You can't blame G-D for Mankinds failings."

Just as you can't blame Santa Claus for no Christmas gifts.

#3 | Posted by goatman at 2009-09-25 09:03 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose) Got A Lump Of Coal Again Last Year

Look Gimme leave Me the fuck alone. My word go stalk someone else for Christ sake.

Larry

Playing hard to get huh Larry? You're such a tease

You all can imagine without it.

I CAN'T imagine my life without my spirituality.

No billboard, no man will ever change my mind,

You can't blame G-D for Mankinds failings.

You're right Larry.

I should have said, Without the mankinds misplaced belief in the mystical man in the sky and the horrors they conduct *in his name*, there would be a lot less suffering in the world.

No billboard, no man will ever change my mind

#8 | Posted by Lisa

That's nice but I asked for a pastrami on rye with provolone and brown mustard

Gee dames always going off topic

"Praise Darwin" is a little over the top.

Lisa, my friend, do you mean to say you are offended by the billboard? Being asked to reconsider your life? I think the folks behind it would be happy about the latter, but I expect that's not their goal. They're just fighting what they see as encroachment on science, in their own (perhaps silly but entertaining) way.

So since you opened the door, how do you feel about creationism in schools? How do you feel about kids being taught evolution as scientific theory? How do you feel about science as we know or believe it today? (I'm guessing that all my faithful readers know what I think.)

I think "Praise Darwin" is funny as hell. Er. Something like that.

Freedom of Speech, that damned double edge sword is coming back to bite the religious in the arse. GOOD!

"Praise Darwin" is indeed a little over the top.

But, then again, so are most religions.

I can't explain why there's something and not nothing. That's amazing and holy.

But, there's over a decillion cubic light years in the visible universe. Believing that the creative force of the universe cares about you specifically or us as a species is deeply conceited and narcissistic. Or, at least, it is an improbable enough claim as to require substantially more evidence than any conventional religion is going to provide.

A religion that says, "God loves us, hates people who don't believe what we do, and cares where we stick our weewees" is equivalent to random tourist walking into the Louvre and saying "isn't it nice that they built this building and installed all this art just for me".

This would be an easy campaign to counter though....

just put up the same "Praise Darwin" signs, but instead of a pic of the old gent, just put pics of Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, and Glen Beck.

I think people would get the Devo message.

#4
Well done, Scotch. Now if you can get the Republican party to take responsibility for their actions you will have changed the world.

BIG FF FOR CORKY!

In a recent Poll 40% of all Americans believe that the World is only 10,000 years old. Talk about the Ignorant American, this is 60 years of Religious teaching with the Blessing of the Republican Bible Belt....WLF about the Million year old Dinosaurs????

This America is why we are losing the battle of Scientific World. Every time we elect a Republican President we lose Years an Years of Scientific knowledge. What could we have accomplished as a Nation is we never had a Republican Party with is head up the Ass of the 12th Century...

Saw one of these signs on the outskirts of Detroit. Ever see the jesus fish bumper stickers? The darwin fish with legs rebuttal? You can buy replacement legs for the darwin fish because so many xtians like to vandalize cars and scrape the legs off. Hopefully, in Taxes, you could shoot somebody for doing that.
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Believing that the creative force of the universe cares about you specifically or us as a species is deeply conceited and narcissistic.

Believing that it cares immensley whether you catch the football while it ignored 6 million jews dying or 3000 victims on 9-11 is just insane.

Prag:

The more I think about this the more angry I get.

I can't pray in a public setting if I choose to because that would offend someone. My child can not pray aloud in school before his lunch because it would offend someone.

People want to take the word God off of money, out of our nations songs....because not everyone is a believer and they find that it shoves someones beliefs down their throats.

Christians are expected to keep their faith to themselves. In our society.....

But someone can put up a BILLBOARD that thousands of people see promoting no beliefs, wanting people to not have spirituality, a belief in God????

What a bunch of hypocrites!!!

I have to finish my painting. I'll be back later this evening to answer your questions.

By then I hope to have calmed down.

Thanks, K.

I'll be here until Tuesday. Tip your waitress and try the seal, er, I mean, veal. No really, it's veal. I promise.

#21
Right. Christians don't buy billboard space.

You need to photoshop that Corky. It would be awesome!

In a recent Poll 40% of all Americans believe that the World is only 10,000 years old.

Can you link to that poll, celery? I can't find it and I don't believe there are that many ignorant people in America.

What could we have accomplished as a Nation is we never had a Republican Party with is head up the Ass of the 12th Century...

#19 | Posted by celisary at 2009-09-25 11:22 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose) Jealous Still In Primordial Amoeba Stage

God had no part in this process. 9%

Most Americans are stupid.

evolution and darwin's theory doesn't go against God.

it just goes against the rediculously stupid 6000 year old earth theory.

During 1999-AUG-25 & 26, Fox News asked what is the more likely explanation for the origin of human life: the theory of evolution as outlined by Darwin and other scientists, or the biblical account of creation. Results were:
Evolution: 15%
Biblical creation: 50%
Both: 26%

This poll reveals the widespread lack of knowledge of theories of origins. In discussing human origins, Darwin described the evolution of apes and humans from an ancient common ancestor. He believed that species can be tracked further back for billions of years until the first form of life appeared: a single cell. The Bible talks about God creating the first two humans -- one man and one woman -- out of mud, independently of other species. The two belief systems are mutually exclusive and cannot be harmonized.

As expected, political affiliation reflects a difference of opinion on origins:
Only 30% of Republicans believe in "evolution;" 68% do not.
61% of independents believe in "evolution;" 37% do not.
57% of Democrats believe in "evolution;" 40% do not.

Evolution- The process of change
G-d- the reason for change.

Debate over.

Big Bang- the creation of the universe
G-d - the spark that ignited the bang.

Debate over.

Darwin's theory only upsets the pathetically stupid 'Christian' that has such a feeble hold on his 'faith' that anything that pokes holes in the literal accuracy of the bible is a huge threat to them.

They have so little actual faith that they can't risk opening their minds to ideas not spoon fed to them by their money grubbing priest, rabbi, imam or TV evangelist.

"I can't find it"

Posted by goatman at 2009-09-25 11:34 AM

You didn't look very hard.

I can't pray in a public setting if I choose to because that would offend someone. My child can not pray aloud in school before his lunch because it would offend someone.

#21 | Posted by Lisa at 2009-09-25 11:24 AM | Reply

Lisa, that is not true.

There are tens of thousands of individuals every weekend praying in public, for thier team to score the winning touchdown. No one ever stops them.

I have no problem with anyone praying publicly, if you want to do that fine, but just don't force everyone to do so with you.

And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

"I can't pray in a public setting if I choose to because that would offend someone."

Offense is in the eye of the beholder. Well, sort of. You can pray wherever you want. You have a right. Won't bother me.

"My child can not pray aloud in school before his lunch because it would offend someone."

I would allow any child who wants to pray to do so. I would take to task any adult who wants to lead a child in prayer in a school setting. The two are different.

But hey, where is the line? Why are your beliefs more valuable than someone else's? Or are they? I mean, is it okay by you for someone to pray to Allah in school? What about to Satan? One challenge of a pluralistic society is just this--more people who can be offended.

"People want to take the word God off of money, out of our nations songs....because not everyone is a believer and they find that it shoves someones beliefs down their throats."

Doesn't it? I don't give a shit about the money thing, but I don't want my kid being made to sing Christian (or other religious) stuff in schools. That's mostly not an issue, eh? And I don't really want him to have to say the pledge. My wife feels differently about the pledge, so my take is that he is allowed to do what works for him. And at five years old, he'll most likely do what others are doing.

"Christians are expected to keep their faith to themselves. In our society....."

Really? Says who? You believers can believe what you want, by right, till you try to force it on someone else.

And to shift it around on you, some people expect homosexuals to keep their values and beliefs to themselves. Or liberals. : )

"But someone can put up a BILLBOARD that thousands of people see promoting no beliefs, wanting people to not have spirituality, a belief in God????
What a bunch of hypocrites!!!"

I don't get the anger. Is your faith challenged by this? I see pro-Christian billboards around. There was a huge one on Long Island: JESUS IS LORD. I just chuckle. I sorta feel like if you have faith, why do you have to advertise it? Have it; own it; make it yours.

Check out the organization's stated reasons. Then when you feel you can, I hope you'll get back to me on the teaching/school questions.

"By then I hope to have calmed down." I hope you have. : )

Respectfully,
Pragmatist

As a scientist I find it odd that so many would accept the hypothesis while the research is still being conducted. There is no conclusion...it is a theory. The proposal was accepted as fact!? It is all backwards.

I have nothing but pity for you God haters and unbelievers. You don't know what you face in eternity.

"I can't pray in a public setting if I choose to because that would offend someone. My child can not pray aloud in school before his lunch because it would offend someone."

#21 | Posted by Lisa at 2009-09-25 11:24 AM | Reply

Lisa,

I can't imagine any circumstance where a person would be offended by someone quietly praying to their god. Millions of people pray privately all the time and in all kinds of places and circumstances and the propel around them are not offended and probably don't even realize it took place.

Unless perhaps that person took out a prayer rug and oriented it toward Mecca and got down on his knees...etc....

The Christian equivalent would be standing up and demanding that everyone around them shut the fuck up so they can pray in peace and that if they didn't join in they would all roast in hell.

Where exactly do you feel you can't pray in public?

#40 | Posted by rebelnation at 2009-09-25 11:57 AM | Reply | Flag: didn't do well in biology class

#21 | Posted by Lisa

There you go...making sense. People here just won't stand for that.

Bully for the atheists to buy these billboards to promote reason and knowingly make a political statement. These times call for a confirmation again of the separation of church and state. Acceptance, even appreciation for other people and their beliefs would be a helpful backlash to project in the wake of the bush years, but the church people want to take further control of America's image.

Don't fret, Lisa. The Christians are still winning.

The perfectly acceptable national motto "E Pluribus Unem" was replaced (too Socialist!) with the theocratic slogan "In God We Trust" about the same time Americans stopped calling themselves citizens (too socialist), preferring the word "consumers" (VERY capitalist).

And why do Christians want the new, "improved" national slogan on pieces of metal and paper that are nothing more than a means of exchange? I just can't believe God, if he exists or cares about the homo-sapien inhabitants of one tiny spere in the universe, is flattered by that. But I guess it makes American fundamentalist Christians all warm and fuzzy and superior inside when they use their "blessed" cash to buy a super-sized bag of fries at McD's. Maybe God is offended that the slogan is not on debit and credit cards. Maybe the next republican congress will take care of that.

A more honest motto would be "In Greed We Trust" or "In Gluttony We Trust".

I think this bullshit about 'I can't pray in public' has more to do with people who either want to play the part of martyrs and buy into Bill Orallys crap or are pissed that they can't flaunt their faith at the perceived unbelievers. There is a time and place for evangelizing. Saying grace over a happy meal is not one of them.

Saying grace over a happy meal is not one of them.

#46 | Posted by axe

I never pray let alone say Grace but do tell why it bothers you so much

#21 | Posted by Lisa

There you go...making sense. People here just won't stand for that.

#43 | Posted by KBM at 2009-09-25 12:00 PM

What about talking to an invisible man makes sense?

What kills me the most about "Darwin was right." is that the folks are so ANTI Natural Selection. I mean seriously they dont want ANYONE to smoke ANYWHERE, cant dare provide fatty or unhealthy food to people, they want kids to wear Helmets for damn near everything except jerking off, Needle exchange and rehab programs for junkies, and god forbid you should own a gun, you might hurt yourself or someone else. Seriously we need to get out of the way of Natural Selection and let it do its thing. In the words of RUSH:

You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice
You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill
I will choose a path that's clear
I will choose freewill

You didn't look very hard.

About 5 pages of googles.

Everyone had numbers (different ones at that). But none had the demographic details of the poll. I take it that as usual, you don't have any data either and will settle for your ususal cheap drive-by, zat?

I have nothing but pity for you God haters and unbelievers. You don't know what you face in eternity.

Let's say I'm wrong in my atheistic beliefs:

If your god is a just and benevolent one, I have nothing to fear. I'm a good, benevolent person myself, don't fuck people over, am charitable, etc.

If you are saying that I will spend eternity in hell because I used the brain your god gave me and came to the conclusion he doesn't exist, you grovel to a pretty fucked up entity and I want no part of him.

That would be like me training my dog to piss outside, then beating him when he does.

"you don't have any data either"
#50 | Posted by goatman at 2009-09-25 12:15 PM | Reply | Flag: makes up shit

1982 to 2004: Gallup polls:

1999: Fox News

The Christianity section of About.com conducted a poll of its readers during 2000-SEP.

NBC News conducted a survey between 2005-MAR-8 and 10. They asked about the origin of human life -- whether it happened by evolution or "the biblical account of creation." If they answered the biblical account, they were then asked whether they believed that "God created the world in six days and rested on the seventh," or that God was "... a divine presence in the formation of the universe."

Results were:
bullet Humans came to be via evolution: 33%
bullet God created the world in 6 days: 44%
bullet God was a divine presence: 13%
bullet Don't know: 10%

2005-JUL: Pew Research poll:

Between 2005-JUL-7 and 17, Pew Research asked about the history of humans and other species: whether they "...have existed in their present form since the beginning of time," or have evolved over time." If the subject selected evolution, then they were asked an additional question: whether the evolution was driven by natural processes or guided by a supreme being.

Results were as follows. We have included similar results from a Gallup poll of eight months earlier for comparison:
bullet Existed in present form only: 42% (Creationist); cf. 45% for Gallup.
bullet Evolved via natural processes: 26% (Naturalistic evolution); cf. Gallup's 13%
bullet Evolved via God's guidance:: 18% (Theistic evolution); cf. Gallup's 38% for
bullet Don't know: 14%

A late 2006 poll by CBS showed that:

"Americans do not believe that humans evolved, and the vast majority says that even if they evolved, God guided the process. Just 13 percent say that God was not involved. ... Support for evolution is more heavily concentrated among those with more education and among those who attend religious services rarely or not at all."

2007: Gallup Poll

As expected, political affiliation reflects a difference of opinion on origins:
bullet Only 30% of Republicans believe in "evolution;" 68% do not.
bullet 61% of independents believe in "evolution;" 37% do not.
bullet 57% of Democrats believe in "evolution;" 40% do not.

"Darwin wasn't anti-God at all. In his famous book 'Origin of Species' Darwin refers to creation as the 'works of God' and calls Him the 'Creator' an amazing seven times"----
'So, you're an atheist?' 'Yep.' 'So you believe that nothing created everything, a scientific impossibility?' And they'll say, 'Well, no.' 'So you believe something created everything?' And they say, 'Well, yeah. Something did, obviously.' 'So you're not an atheist?' 'OK, I'm not an atheist.'

I have nothing but pity for you God haters and unbelievers. You don't know what you face in eternity.

If I'm wrong, forgive me- Bill Hicks

References used:

1. Johnathan Moore, "What do Americans believe about the origin of species," Public Religion Project, 1998-OCT-12.
2. George Bishop, "The Religious Worldview and American Beliefs about Human Origins" The Public Perspective, 1998-AUG.
3.

"Most Kansans for evolution: Majority polled think kids should study, be tested," Associated Press, 1999-NOV-9.
4.

Evolution- The process of change
G-d- the reason for change.

Debate over.

#33 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-09-25 11:44 AM

Big Bang- the creation of the universe
G-d - the spark that ignited the bang.

Debate over.

#34 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-09-25 11:45 AM

These people are based in Wisconsin, how bad can they be? They probably worship the Packers!

Northguys: Calm down. Christians can put up billboards too. Isn't freedom of speech wonderful?

"Atheist's praise"... Is it me, or is there something amusingly oxymoronic about that pair of words? When does a group who structures their belief around theoretical concepts qualify themselves as a religion?

I can see from the posts that the topic of religion upsets many of you. I can offer something to help those that fall into that category get past that anger. I imagine you're looking for facts, am I right? You want some REAL indisputable facts and not another talking point derived from a theory? Well, it's my right to believe in God, say so, and not be persecuted for it - and that's a fact.

Being an atheist is supposed to free up all the time you would have wasted kowtowing to the giant insecure baby in the sky who needs constant reassurance in the form of prayer.

But these atheists must have discovered they actually have nothing better to do with themselves. So they've begun to turn "atheism" into a religion and they've gone evangelical with it as evidenced by these billboards.

People like this are every bit as annoying as Jesus freaks.

Awesome! Good to see my donations going for a good cause!

GOATMAN....What about FACTS don't you get....Look at posting #27 from ZOTOICHI he has the POLL an Data, but you won't like it, it proves just how ignorant Americans like you are....By the way the Poll also states that 68% of you Republicans don't believe in Evolution...WTF!!!!

Most of you just don't have a clue.You, me, or anyone else can be GOOD enough. Salvation is ONLY through Jesus Christ and nothing else.

" Salvation is ONLY through Jesus Christ and nothing else."

Typical open-minded, tolerant Christian.

The only salvation is throught the free market.

"Unless perhaps that person took out a prayer rug and oriented it toward Mecca and got down on his knees...etc....

The Christian equivalent would be standing up and demanding that everyone around them shut the fuck up so they can pray in peace and that if they didn't join in they would all roast in hell."

Axe,
Actually that is a ridiculous comparison. I have seen many muslims praying in airports and they are very discreet and modest about it. They are not trying to evalgelize but simply meeting their simple, silent prayer obligations.

"Most of you just don't have a clue.You, me, or anyone else can be GOOD enough. Salvation is ONLY through Jesus Christ and nothing else.

#63 | Posted by rebelnation"

Whoop, whoop. We have a born again loser alert!

Dude your god died on a cross? Big fucking deal he is god. He knows he won't die so his "sacrifice" is meaningless. If you apply logic to the propaganda you are fed in church you would realize it is just a pile of bullshit to get you to cough up your 10%.

Put down the booze, give up the prescription drugs and throw away the bible. Be a man and set your own path in life.

Does anyone wish that Atheists would keep their beliefs to themselves?

"No billboard, no man will ever change my mind."

Lisa's mind is made up. Please don't befuddle her with facts. herm

Does anyone wish that Atheists would keep their beliefs to themselves?

No just that they would agreeably afford folks who believe otherwise the same courtesy

Some years ago "Jesus is the answer" was popular on billboards and in churches.

My Unitarians came up with the perfect response. I still own a blue sweatshirt on which it is printed:

"To question is the answer." herm

No just that they would agreeably afford folks who believe otherwise the same courtesy

#70 | Posted by Gimme_a_Scotch

You mean the people who believe deep in their hearts that others are going to burn in hell for eternity that believe otherwise?

You first fuckers.

Some years ago "Jesus is the answer" was popular on billboards and in churches.

My Unitarians came up with the perfect response. I still own a blue sweatshirt on which it is printed:

"To question is the answer." herm

#71 | Posted by herm

Still questioning huh Herm? Good for you the answer varies throughout you life though so don't get stuck in a rut keep questioning.

Me I'm on my umpteenth answer so far today and it's only 10:13 A.M. here

Put down the booze, give up the prescription drugs and throw away the bible. Be a man and set your own path in life.

#67 | Posted by furio at 2009-09-25 12:48 PM | Reply | Flag: has to be an internet tough guy because he feels threatened by religion

"Atheist's praise"... Is it me, or is there something amusingly oxymoronic about that pair of words?

Boy, nothing gets past you, does it?

You don't know what you face in eternity.

#40 | Posted by rebelnation

you don't have any idea of what you face in eternity either. You just think you do based on belief in a leaky myth. That is the difference between you and me. I can admit I don't know. Based on the laws of the Universe as we know them I can guess. But I do not KNOW.

Neither do you.

But, I can bet my guess is better than yours.

I hope Christianity is wiped out in my lifetime. Gimme keep up the good work.

"...because he feels threatened by religion"

Yeah, what an oaf.

Religion has never threatened anyone.

I hope Christianity is wiped out in my lifetime. Gimme keep up the good work.

#77 | Posted by jackass at 2009-09-25 01:29 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose) ??????????????

I find it amusing when I read a comment posted by a non-religious person claiming to grasp something like Christianity. It's easy to understand Atheism... one simply sheds what they know spiritually.

Study the Bible first so you can discern the difference between those that honestly pursue Christian lifestyles and those that cut the legs off of your Darwin fish (the "damning you to hell-ers", and the rest that don't conduct themselves like Jesus-lead Christians) ...then perhaps you'll come off as being better equipped to debate creationism, adaptation, evolution, alternate dimensions, spirituality, and the like rather than whipping out some plain naivety in regards to the subject of faith.

Lisa's mind is made up. Please don't befuddle her with facts. herm

#69 | Posted by herm at 2009-09-25 12:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

You have some facts on the existance of GOD you would like to share HERM, or do you just want to keep spouting bullshit like usual. Go take that dementia medicine. Get my idea for a painless death I left you on the other thread?

^.^

Wait, so the atheists are buying PRAISE DARWIN billboards ... does that mean Darwin's like ... a god ... to them?

Are they really atheists then, or do they just not like the current buffet of gods to choose from?

John B.

Why do atheists want to push their bullshit religion?

Atheism as a Stealth Religion
by atheist and noted evolutionist David Sloan Wilson

You all can imagine without it.

I CAN'T imagine my life without my spirituality.

No billboard, no man will ever change my mind,

#8 | Posted by Lisa

Lisa Lisa Lisa...

There is a big difference in being "spiritual" and being "evangelical".

One is being open to the spirituality inherent in the Universe no matter where it leads you. The other is a closed system whereby you either "believe" in a Jesus as THE TRUTH and THE WAY or you don't and are condemned for that supposedly forever.

To me the choice is easy. For you and others like you that have invested themselves so much into this closed belief system the choice is not so easy anymore is it? Now it would become such a life changing and dramatic event to change course and you would lose so much if you were to leave the church now. Your peers would shun you and you would lose many friends and the support of the church which you have come to rely on (much like a drug). In fact, you have allowed a situation develop whereby you don't really have choices anymore. You have gone so far with it by now that you HAVE to believe that the bible is TRUE and is the Word of a God don't you? Or you would be a fool to have fallen for such a lie and lived your entire life for such a silly thing.

For that I am sad for you and those like you. You may think eternity is a long time to be wrong. But, it I am correct and you are wrong you will never know how long eternity is once you are dead. And, I think that life is too short and the Universe is such an incredible place and life so precious to have wasted it believing in a silly myth no matter what is practically criminal.

I am not an Atheist but I do respect their right to try and show others that there is other ways to understand the Universe besides the limited view that the bible offers.

and now to correct the typos:

"But IF I am correct...."

"There ARE other ways...."

No billboard, no man will ever change my mind,

#8 | Posted by Lisa

Why not? A man changed it once. You weren't born with your belief. You learned it from another person.

I do respect their right to try and show others that there is other ways to understand the Universe besides the limited view that the bible offers.

#85 | Posted by donnerboy at 2009-09-25 01:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

But you obviously are not adult enough to respect those that believe in the view the bible offers without constant criticism and bellittlement. nuff said about your tolerance level.

muslims may be lobing of some heads.

Wait, so the atheists are buying PRAISE DARWIN billboards ... does that mean Darwin's like ... a god ... to them?

Are they really atheists then, or do they just not like the current buffet of gods to choose from?

John B.

#82 | Posted by lunahq7

Yep. It looks just as stupid in italics. Had to check though.

The Freedom from Religion Foundation has bought billboards in several cities with the messages "Praise Darwin: Evolve Beyond Belief" and "Imagine No Religion."

It's ironic how atheists spend way more of their time complaining and griping about God and religion than God and the religious ever bother to spend on worrying about atheism.

Maybe atheists keeping whining hoping to get more attention?

I find it humorous that so many christians can't seem to have DARWIN and christ in the same house.

"There is a big difference in being "spiritual" and being "evangelical".

One is being open to the spirituality inherent in the Universe no matter where it leads you. The other is a closed system whereby you either "believe" in a Jesus as THE TRUTH and THE WAY or you don't and are condemned for that supposedly forever."

Well said, DB. Humans are just particles in a cosmic stew of particles. If people want to call that cosmic stew "God" well, whatever makes them happy.

... but instead of a pic of the old gent, just put pics of Sarah Palin...

"But we don't keep Sarah's name alive. She puts herself in the news"

signed:
the left

I had my truck keyed where the Darwin fish was on the tailgate of my truck a few months ago. Think what these clowns will do to a billboard.

"It's ironic how atheists spend way more of their time complaining and griping about God and religion than God and the religious ever bother to spend on worrying about atheism."

Hahahaha. Get real. Bible inquistors have been denouncing, stalking, harassing, torturing, lynching, etc., atheists for centuries.

This America is why we are losing the battle of Scientific World. Every time we elect a Republican President we lose Years an Years of Scientific knowledge. What could we have accomplished as a Nation is we never had a Republican Party with is head up the Ass of the 12th Century...

#19 | Posted by celisary
We would have tons of scientific knowledge. like why Homosexual men perfer random encounters in the park, and what is the phsycosis behind that, we would know the emotions of dolphins, and why men who dress up as women, never do it with traditional styles. And all sorts of soft science. We would not have any weapons to defend ourselves, we would not have progressed in the ability to feed ourselves, we would have no way to get energy below 5 feet in the ground, we would be praying to the science gods for a way to find clean energy still... Man what a world that would be...

Even atheists worship somebody.

"Study the Bible first so you can discern the difference between those that honestly pursue Christian lifestyles and those that cut the legs off of your Darwin fish (the "damning you to hell-ers", and the rest that don't conduct themselves like Jesus-lead Christians) ...then perhaps you'll come off as being better equipped to debate creationism, adaptation, evolution, alternate dimensions, spirituality, and the like rather than whipping out some plain naivety in regards to the subject of faith."

You do know that a great many atheists _used to be_ believers, right?

You do understand that one can study, right? I know an awful lot about Judaism, and I've never been a Jew. I also know a lot about Christianity through study and experience.

I do not believe because I cannot see it. At the same time, I don't bash those who do as long as their beliefs don't lead to hating others in speech or in action.

And ultimately, I may not agree or may find offensive something someone believes in, but I will defend to the death that person's right to hold that belief. (Doesn't mean I won't argue the point, though. : ) )

Oh, and btw, praise does not have a solely religious meaning, O Oxymoron Seekers. (One can praise one's children, for instance. But the billboard uses irony.)

"like why Homosexual men perfer random encounters in the park, and what is the phsycosis behind that,"

Like why do straight men prefer random encounters in night clubs that charge $400 bottle service for a $20 bottle of vodka?

If women were hanging out in the park offering free blowjobs to any guy do you think any straight guys would ever go clubbing again?

Your "soft science" sarcasm sucks as much as your sister does on a saturday night at the local TGIF.

"Even atheists worship somebody." No, they don't. That's why they're called atheists. herm

"Evolution- The process of change
G-d- the reason for change.
Debate over.
#33 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-09-25 11:44 AM
Big Bang- the creation of the universe
G-d - the spark that ignited the bang.
Debate over.
#34 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-09-25 11:45 AM"

Just a few flaws with this logic, first and foremost.......how did god exist in nothingness?

Out of nothingness how did god create everything?

In your equation somehow a god created itself, lived in nothingness, and then decided to create all we see and most we don't out of nothingness?

Which is an equation of god created 2 seperate things out of nothingness....

this is versus the big bang theory that only one thing was created out of nothingness....

Remember Ockham's razor came from the church!!

LM

I find it humorous that so many christians can't seem to have DARWIN and christ in the same house.

#92 | Posted by moneywar at 2009-09-25 02:04 PM

I find it annoying because I feel Christians have had their religion "stolen." You know, Moneywar, the problem I have is it seems the radical Christian fundementalist rightwingers have taken over the Christian religion and whenever anyone thinks of "Christianity" anymore they associate it with the radical right Christian fundementalists only.

I'm Christian because I believe in Christ yet I'm not any religous radical fundementalist (I'm more a "cafeteria Catholic"). I believe in Darwin, don't believe the Earth is only 6,000 years old, yet all those who believe in Christ seem to get lumped in with the radical Christian right bible-thumpers who believe the world is only 6,000 years old and believe in the Rapture where we all will be physically lifted off the Earth and only underserving will be left behind. I don't. I believe in souls which can go to Heaven or Hell but not some "Rapture" where we all fly off into the air together.

When I was growing up we never even thought about atheists and, besides Jewish folks whose religion was distinctly different but still believed in God, on the Christian side we had Catholics, Protestants, Lutherans, Episcopalians. We all had different religious dogmas yet we all believed in Jesus Christ, the Virgin Mary, etc. Now it seems the atheists have jumped on one side and no one pay attention to any other group on the Christian side who believe in God except for the radical far right Christian fundementalists. Since when did that group get to put the only claim on those who believe in God and Jesus Christ?

I also don't believe we have "to start" Armageddon (WW III) to anhilate Israel in order to "save the Jewish people." Another factor which makes these radical far right Christian fundementalists quite dangerous in my opinion. They are itching to start another war to do their "Rapture" number.

And just who are the radical fundementalist Christians now anyway? Seriously? Are they the Pentecostals or Evangelicals or the Southern Baptists or those snake-shaker religions I see on tv sometimes? I honestly don't know.

I don't like being thought of as a far-right Christian radial fundementalist. I'm not some hick. I feel I am much more educated science-wise yet I can still believe in Christ and the teachings of my Church. Do you understand what I'm trying to say?

"Even atheists worship somebody."

Rubbish, no master for me!! That is not saying that some women haven't brought me to my knees though!!

Sorry righties, I know you wish "women" was substituted for altar boy or page, but this is an atheist action!

LM

. When man evolved to the point of knowing that he exists, man also became aware that he is mortal, that he will die. It was then that man invented ways of not really dying, religion. Initially the afterlife was tied to you status as a ruler, later it became to obey god, and in some religions to be moral. Sad but all living creatures die, they have but one life. Man can choose to live it or deflect to a non existent eternity. If you belive in lefe after death make sure you fill out a resume, what job will you do, will you meet your wife and ex wife. Go ahead and wait for the rapture that will never occur, waste your life

Adam and Eve sinned so all mankind has to suffer, including those not yet born. If I punished you for what your great grandfather did you would object, yet you worship a god that does the same. Foolish!

Ummm, okay.

"It's ironic how atheists spend way more of their time complaining and griping about God and religion than God and the religious ever bother to spend on worrying about atheism.

Maybe atheists keeping whining hoping to get more attention?"

You seriously didn't type this garbage did you?

The religious can't just accept being able to teach kids what ever belief system you believe in in their free time you want to drive it down the throats 24/7. That is why religious persons are constantly building mega churchers, cramming airwaves, talk shows, posters, billboards, corner streets, buying ads in newspapers, magazines and on and on......you try to force god onto money, onto any building you can. Religious people all want special considerations, they want special time off from work, they want special meals and special hours, they want to dictate how everyone thinks or acts! The funniest thing is most religious people seem to be against socialism and religion is the biggest socialist program of all time!!

LM

"Even atheists worship somebody."

I worship the god of money and the god of sex.

RisR

I have a challenge for you. Since I am a non-believer and your a believer this should be easy. I want you to sit at home for however long you think it will take your god to act(miracle), and I will match you on time to generate something. Let's say you sit in your house and pray for your next meal or pray for all your bills to be paid. I will do what atheist do and take responsibility to get what I need on my own. Let's see which of us eats first, or gets their bills paid first!! If your a TRUE believer there is no way your god will allow you to be shown up by someone who says he doesn't exist!

LM

Religious people all want special considerations, they want special time off from work, they want special meals and special hours, they want to dictate how everyone thinks or acts! The funniest thing is most religious people seem to be against socialism and religion is the biggest socialist program of all time!!

The first group you described sound more like Muslims to me. Praying 5 times a day no matter where they are, special hours, special prayer rooms, not handling pork, etc. All that BS only happened when the Muslims came on the scene here in the U.S. and tried to push their Sharia law down our throats and make us accomodate their religion.

This country survived quite nicely with the Christian religion before and Christians don't shove all those "special demands" on society like demanding headscarves and women's faces to be hidden in public etc. and making society and the workplace cater to their every whim. So don't put me in with the Muslims. And don't put me in with the radical far right Christian fundementalists either.

Your post proved perfectly the point I was trying to make in my #`103.

I don't like being thought of as a far-right Christian radial fundementalist.

#103 | Posted by CalifChris

Don't you go worrying your pretty little head none there you little Episcopalian goody two-shoes spinster I don't think about you as a radical Fundamentalist more like a wannabe Catholic Bad Girl.

If you actually do go to TX to stay and live there for about 10 years it just might take enough of the Californicate outta you that I could conceivably be interested.

Notice to rcade: sleep on it before you dump this post or better yet email CC privately I'm confident she has more balls than that sweet-talking Kansas boy who's always flagging my posts

"Christian radial"

What has this got to do with tires?

I worship the god of money and the god of sex.

#108 | Posted by Ray at 2009-09-25 03:10 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose) Money Yes. Sex? Well Poor Guy Probably Tries Hard To

What has this got to do with tires?

Most people drive by billboards

"The so-called Christian nations are the most enlightened and progressivebut in spite of their religion, not because of it. The Church has opposed every innovation and discovery from the day of Galileo down to our own time, when the use of anesthetic in childbirth was regarded as a sin because it avoided the biblical curse pronounced against Eve. And every step in astronomy and geology ever taken has been opposed by bigotry and superstition. The Greeks surpassed us in artistic culture and in architecture five hundred years before Christian religion was born."
- Mark Twain

Just a few flaws with this logic, first and foremost.......how did god exist in nothingness?

Out of nothingness how did god create everything?

In your equation somehow a god created itself, lived in nothingness, and then decided to create all we see and most we don't out of nothingness?

Which is an equation of god created 2 seperate things out of nothingness....

this is versus the big bang theory that only one thing was created out of nothingness....

Remember Ockham's razor came from the church!!

LM

#102 | Posted by Liberal_Mongrel at 2009-09-25 02:54 PM | Reply

#1 He is God.
#2 He is God.
#3 Yes

See how easy it is when you apply the answers that were discovered in the dark ages?

Organized religion is a tool.

#115 | Posted by sitdown at 2009-09-25 03:23 PM

I just love cases of parents denying their children medical care because "their" God told them so.

I guess evolution does work. They are definitely thinning the stupid from the gene pool.

This country survived quite nicely with the Christian religion before and Christians don't shove all those "special demands" on society like demanding headscarves and women's faces to be hidden in public etc. and making society and the workplace cater to their every whim. So don't put me in with the Muslims. And don't put me in with the radical far right Christian fundementalists either.

#110 | Posted by CalifChris at 2009-09-25 03:17 PM | Reply

Really?

The more I think about this the more angry I get.

I can't pray in a public setting if I choose to because that would offend someone. My child can not pray aloud in school before his lunch because it would offend someone.

People want to take the word God off of money, out of our nations songs....because not everyone is a believer and they find that it shoves someones beliefs down their throats.

Christians are expected to keep their faith to themselves. In our society.....

"This country survived quite nicely with the Christian religion before and Christians don't shove all those "special demands" on society like demanding headscarves and women's faces to be hidden in public etc. and making society and the workplace cater to their every whim. So don't put me in with the Muslims. And don't put me in with the radical far right Christian fundementalists either."

How about gotta take time off for x-mas, easter, channukah, ramadahn, lent. Bibles being placed in hotels, special foods, stores that can't be open on sundays and on and on......I am fine for defining the number of days off people need during a year to stay fresh and handle personal matters, but to say that x-mas is more specail a day than feb 11th is absoultely ridiculous!

LM

#116 | Posted by 726 at 2009-09-25 03:29 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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And one wonders how many times history must repeat itself before we decide to pull our heads out of our collective arses and not follow the same ignorant logic wrapped up in some new shiny packaging!!

LM

Your "soft science" sarcasm sucks as much as your sister does on a saturday night at the local TGIF.

#100 | Posted by furio
My sister sucks more, but you still get the point of the type of science that we would get.

"It's ironic how atheists spend way more of their time complaining and griping about God and religion than God and the religious ever bother to spend on worrying about atheism."

This is an example of projection, a favorite of righties and other simple minded people.

I have a challenge for you. Since I am a non-believer and your a believer this should be easy. I want you to sit at home for however long you think it will take your god to act(miracle), and I will match you on time to generate something.
#109 | Posted by Liberal_Mongrel

Like I was saying in #80... people who claim to have an angle on Christianity and trying to make a point against it... research tempting God real quick LM.

I have a challenge for you. Since I am a non-believer and your a believer this should be easy. I want you to sit at home for however long you think it will take your god to act(miracle), and I will match you on time to generate something. Let's say you sit in your house and pray for your next meal or pray for all your bills to be paid. I will do what atheist do and take responsibility to get what I need on my own. Let's see which of us eats first, or gets their bills paid first!! If your a TRUE believer there is no way your god will allow you to be shown up by someone who says he doesn't exist!

LM
* * *

Well, except that the Bible says that if you don't work, you don't eat.
I don't go around worrying about who is going to show me up, or not. Couldn't care less. It's called the Christian "faith" for a reason. I have it, you don't, and that's that.

How about gotta take time off for x-mas, easter, channukah, ramadahn, lent. Bibles being placed in hotels, special foods, stores that can't be open on sundays and on and on......I am fine for defining the number of days off people need during a year to stay fresh and handle personal matters, but to say that x-mas is more specail a day than feb 11th is absoultely ridiculous!

Hallmark Holidays LM. Christmas isn't quite what you think it is... Didn't even happen in December! ...many of those holidays were structured around Pagan dates to be rid of them.

As for days off... it's up to your employer.

Well, except that the Bible says that if you don't work, you don't eat.
I don't go around worrying about who is going to show me up, or not. Couldn't care less. It's called the Christian "faith" for a reason. I have it, you don't, and that's that.

Where is chicken-lover when I need him, can you make that cluck-cluk noise.

In case you forget RisR.....

"Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,' it will happen. "And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive." (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS)

So believer, you god either lied or your not the believer you claim to be.....

HAHAHAHAHA

LM

"Hallmark Holidays LM. Christmas isn't quite what you think it is... Didn't even happen in December! ...many of those holidays were structured around Pagan dates to be rid of them.

As for days off... it's up to your employer."

Federal Holidays are not dictated by my employer, and you would be in major trouble if you tried to force individuals to work on those days. If you don't believe it try it and see how many lawsuits you get.

I do know that most holidays celebrated today were stolen and modified from another religion, Easter and Halloween are two more that quickly come to mind.

LM

Nothing like a good ol' Christian bashing thread to get those numers up, huh?!

I haven't come close to reading them all so I'll start with Donner:

I laughed when you said you felt sad for me.

What I find sad are the number of people who state for fact that there is no God when they truly don't know and then believe they understand those who do, mocking and ridiculing them.

I don't HAVE to believe in God or the Bible...it's been my choice. I believe it all to be true. If you don't, that's your choice as well.

But you waste your pity if it is for me.I am at peace and happy.

You can save it for someone who truly needs it.

Just a few flaws with this logic, first and foremost.......how did god exist in nothingness?
Out of nothingness how did god create everything?
In your equation somehow a god created itself, lived in nothingness, and then decided to create all we see and most we don't out of nothingness?
Which is an equation of god created 2 seperate things out of nothingness....
this is versus the big bang theory that only one thing was created out of nothingness....
Remember Ockham's razor came from the church!!
LM
#102 | Posted by Liberal_Mongrel

Well, sounds to me like you have it all figured out. Where did all this "something" come from then? Was it always? What was before?

In your "equation" then... are saying "nothing" equal the numerical 0 (zero)? ...or is there such a thing as "null". Does anti-matter require a null placeholder to reside in space or would a black hole exist without the 0? Is there such a thing as infinity? If so, can something exist in it? Or is it more likely our little brains can only comprehend a finite existence because we're an introverted bunch of egomaniacs whose existence is defined solely by the amount of time we can recall since we've been alive?

Who said Christians expect special treatment.

But when athiests have been screaming to keep our religion to ourselves and the put up billboards to promote THEIR faith....I'm gonna speak out against the hypocrocy and double standard.

I wonder how many would be pitching a fit had it been a billboard that promoted God.

It would be a different story then wouldn't it!!!

Remember Ockham's razor came from the church!!
LM
#102 | Posted by Liberal_Mongrel
* * * *

So did the Big Bang. And your posts to this thread is an example of why, in the Sermon on the Mount, Christ cautioned believers to "cast not your pearls before swine, lest they trample them underfoot." I see God's hand in everything, everywhere. You see it nowhere. And this gulf is too wide to be bridged. Jesus knew it, and so do I.

"Lisa, my friend, do you mean to say you are offended by the billboard? Being asked to reconsider your life? I think the folks behind it would be happy about the latter, but I expect that's not their goal. They're just fighting what they see as encroachment on science, in their own (perhaps silly but entertaining) way. "

First of all Prag...who are THEY? that they feel I or anyone else for that matter need to reconsider our lives??? How arrogant! How self righteous!!

Their goal is obvious Prag...they are promoting their belief system, implying that those who believe in God have not evolved!!

It's not that I'm offended, Prag...I think it's hypocritical to be fighting to get Christians silenced saying THEY are offended if someone talks publicly about God, praying before meetings or lunches in public places as an organization, etc...then turning around and putting up a billboard to promote THEIR beliefs.

From the article:

"It's a free country and this is the free marketplace of ideas, and we have every much a right to promote our viewpoint on billboards and in the mass media as religionists do"

I had to laugh when I read that.

When was the last time you saw a billboard promoting God?

Aren't atheists doing everything they can to eliminate God in everything??

Christians are being silenced by those who claim they are offended but yet suddenly, it's a "free country" when it comes to them shoving their beliefs down my throat.

Amazing!

"I see God's hand in everything, everywhere. You see it nowhere. And this gulf is too wide to be bridged. Jesus knew it, and so do I."

As do I.

"Aren't atheists doing everything they can to eliminate God in everything??"

No. Most a-theists aren't doing anything more than a-leprechaunists to promote their views.

"That's nice but I asked for a pastrami on rye with provolone and brown mustard"

Am I your wife???

I don't think so!!!

But had you said please...I probably would have.

Learn some manners!

"Aren't atheists doing everything they can to eliminate God in everything??"

Difficult to eliminate something that doesn't exist. That would be like eliminating the tooth fairy.

The universe before this current universe - was bigger.

"That's nice but I asked for a pastrami on rye with provolone and brown mustard"

Am I your wife???

I don't think so!!!

#135 | Posted by Lisa

This is exactly why women should've NEVER been given the right to vote it makes them THINK they're equal to men! Oh the incongruity of it all!!

Quick where's my rod no thicker than an old-time Vermont dairyman's thumb?

"This is exactly why women should've NEVER been given the right to vote it makes them THINK they're equal to men!"

What makes you think you're in the catagory of "men"????

lol

Get real Sleeza. There are signs along roads proclaiming "Jesus Saves" etc., and quite a few congregations post scripture on signs in front of their church

#138 | Posted by OzarkAggie

I bet the sign in front of YOUR church says "Welcome To The Church Of Neverending Sleaze With Pastor Ozarkcrap"

What makes you think you're in the catagory of "men"????

#140 | Posted by Lisa

Is that how Cheeseheads flirt? Different for sure but trust me your game needs polishing which I'm willing to provide in exchange for a pastrami on rye with provolone and brown mustard AND a whole kosher dill.

Warning price keeps going up with every dis

"Praise Darwin" follows a trend. Not too long now before the "How many atheists does it take to screw in a light bulb?" jokes start.

"Who said Christians expect special treatment.
But when athiests have been screaming to keep our religion to ourselves and the put up billboards to promote THEIR faith....I'm gonna speak out against the hypocrocy and double standard.
I wonder how many would be pitching a fit had it been a billboard that promoted God.

It would be a different story then wouldn't it!!!"

I did!

If you spent anytime in Missour as you claim to have, then you would have seen many billboards with god's messages on it....

How about the national ad campaign for "god Speaks" billboard campaing or did those hundreds of billboards escape your mind!!

Here ar some photos of the ridiculous number of god billboards that society is inundated with.

LM

I never saw signs like that.

If they exist, then I recant that statement I made.

"Is that how Cheeseheads flirt? Different for sure but trust me your game needs polishing which I'm willing to provide in exchange for a pastrami on rye with provolone and brown mustard AND a whole kosher dill.

Uhhhh...that was definately not flirting, Mister I'm So Full Of Myself!!

"Warning price keeps going up with every dis"

pffft

I bet the sign in front of YOUR church says... Posted By the idiot whose olfactory sense prevents him from distinguishing Pompano from Pussy

...The Yellow House. Historic residence, national register, community arts center, and guess what color it's painted.

Uhhhh...that was definately not flirting, Mister I'm So Full Of Myself!!

"Warning price keeps going up with every dis"

pffft

#146 | Posted by Lisa

Just for that I'm gonna bitchslap Larry (he whines better)

...The Yellow House. Historic residence, national register, community arts center, and guess what color it's painted.

#147 | Posted by OzarkAggie

It's a frigging mound of feces and you painted it? Ha-ha what a loser

"So did the Big Bang."

Lamatrie(sp) concluded only one event, and no seperate creation events as proposed by those on this thread.

" And your posts to this thread is an example of why, in the Sermon on the Mount, Christ cautioned believers to "cast not your pearls before swine, lest they trample them underfoot." I see God's hand in everything, everywhere. You see it nowhere. And this gulf is too wide to be bridged. Jesus knew it, and so do I."

Only a coward would ever say don't put your beliefs out here to be challenged, only one who is looking for ultimate obedience in people would write such unquestioned drivel. This swine is not fooled by sheeple. Only when the mind is closed does the gap become too wide, and your professed closed mindedness has enlightened, well no one.

LM

"LM
I never saw signs like that.
If they exist, then I recant that statement I made."

If you want to see a few try the drive from Kansas City to St. Louis or if you want to be blown away, tak 70west from KC to Denver, bet you pass at least 50-75 religious billboards(guesstimate). Always appreciate anyone on here who is willing to recant, admit wrong, fess up to a fubar....kudos to you for not takingthe "too big to fail" route. I certainly know I have to do it from time to time......

LM

That wasn't what Jesus was saying, LM. What He did say was the best way to deal with darkness is to live life according to the will of God and be a light that shines.

Some people will be attracted to the light and come on in. Some people will always hate the light and prefer darkness.

It's the later he said might turn and eat you if you insist on throwing pearls their way.

So they do worship the religion of evolution.

It is just sooo complete and all.

The personal stuff I just deleted is way over the line. It is against the rules of this site to drag stuff from the real world here for personal attacks.

I agree rCade. But I've put with all that I will, and yet I don't really want to resort to the IP masking that Jackass went through to continue posting here.

But I'm fed up with the misogynist bullshit, and the digs that fly under your radar.

But if you want me gone you know how to do it.

"This personal stuff is way over the line. I"

True, but just hold off on deleting it until all the really juicy stuff comes out.

FF for Null

There are God signs here in CA--I think they are on private property.

Some signs are one word at a time--posted in the ground.

But I have seen the billboard type signs with Jesus on them.

-----

It is amusing that the atheists trample all over Christians for their signage or beliefs--but it's all fine and dandy for them to do the same thing.

No billboard, no man will ever change my mind,

#8 | Posted by Lisa at 2009-09-25 10:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

No?

I'm assuming it was a man/woman that first told you about 'God' and got you to believe it in the first place, no?

No man will change your mind, but it's man who got you to believe in the first place.

#159

Common:

I was told ABOUT God by man. But I don't believe in Him because I was TOLD TO by man.

I believe because I chose to based on reading the Bible, doing some investigation, soul searching and then my heart was opened up and filled with the Holy Spirit.

Man may have Told me about God, but that is NOT what showed me to believe.

Gotta go. Have a great evening.

It is amusing that the atheists trample all over Christians for their signage or beliefs--but it's all fine and dandy for them to do the same thing.

#158 | Posted by MURPHY

It's the same with politics and human nature in general.

But I'm fed up with the misogynist bullshit, and the digs that fly under your radar.

If people are dragging outside stuff into the Retort for personal attacks, like the kind of things I deleted tonight, email me the link to the comment and I will deal with it. I will warn people to stop, and if they don't stop, I will drop their account.

My perspective on this is that I have no way of knowing what's going on, what's true and what isn't. I just know that I don't want the site to be involved in it.

If people are dragging outside stuff into the Retort for personal attacks, like the kind of things I deleted tonight, email me the link to the comment and I will deal with it. I will warn people to stop, and if they don't stop, I will drop their account.

My perspective on this is that I have no way of knowing what's going on, what's true and what isn't. I just know that I don't want the site to be involved in it.

Posted by rcade at 2009-09-25 09:03 PM | Reply

I'd love to believe that but even I know thats bullshit with Your reinstatement of Jackass. While true this is Your Home and I am just a "renter" I think it's a crock of shit how certain people are allowed back in after they have done what You didn't want them to do and others get the true permanent banation.

re jackass: I agree with Larry. Though I wasn't here when he did his thing, if the stories I hear are true I don't understand why you let him back, rcade.

Maybe the stories aren't true?

RCADE:

I have not mentioned that person, made reference to him or responded to any of his comments at all, even after his numerous digs at me, his personal attacks and posting personal business, that he has been posting, with the exception of once, where he took it upon himself to being the court case here...and even then, I was polite. Today was the second time after his numerous obvious attempts to harrass and humiliate me. The fact he wanted people to go to the deleted comments section and read what he wrote, should prove that.

Feel free to search my archives to see if I am not telling the truth.

I apologize for what happened here today, even though I was not responsible for it.

Folks come here to have fun, discuss politics and important issues facing this country.

They shouldn't have to be subjected to what they were today.

As far as I'm concerned, this subject is closed.

I reinstated Jackass after he'd been gone more than a year.

It's the same with politics and human nature in general.

#161 | Posted by Ray

True Ray--so true.

They're just fighting what they see as encroachment on scienc

Darwin is science? Evolution is repeatable, measurable? Bawahahahaha.

and then my heart was opened up and filled with the Holy Spirit.

Lisa - I'm so glad your open-heart surgery went so well.

May I suggest it was your imagination that was opened up?

But it's cool if it works for you, and you don't I think tell us we need saving etc.

True Ray--so true.

#167 | Posted by MURPHY

Well of course, Ray's a fellow rtard. He may deny it, but Murphy's endorsement says it all.

Well of course, Ray's a fellow rtard. He may deny it, but Murphy's endorsement says it all.

And I've seen you get many endorsements from da bOoB. What does that say about you? LOL

"And I've seen you get many endorsements from da bOoB."

What would Goatman do without Bob, or as he always says, "bOoB? It's like a crutch for him. A ready made rejoinder, devoid of any semblance of thought or wit or intelligence.

What would Goatman do without Bob, or as he always says, "bOoB? It's like a crutch for him. A ready made rejoinder, devoid of any semblance of thought or wit or intelligence.

I'm not sure what this has to do with my question, but I know deflection when I see one.

You know, weak deflections look more ignorant than just remaining silent, but I guess the troll urge overcomes the urge to hide one's stupidity with you.

Slowly but surely I am coming to understand the workings of a nullbrain

^.^

Wow, sounds like I'll have to go into this thread a bit deeper ... only so much can be done when you cruise through DR while at work ...

However, the first couple entries got a reaction from me...

"Evolution- The process of change
G-d- the reason for change.

Big Bang- the creation of the universe
G-d - the spark that ignited the bang."

That's pretty much how I see the issue ... God created the universe, but science explains it, shows why everything is so NEAT and such.

Now to the next comment...

"Whoop, whoop. We have a born again loser alert!

Dude your god died on a cross? Big fucking deal he is god. He knows he won't die so his "sacrifice" is meaningless. If you apply logic to the propaganda you are fed in church you would realize it is just a pile of bullshit to get you to cough up your 10%.

Put down the booze, give up the prescription drugs and throw away the bible. Be a man and set your own path in life."

Problem here is I am seeing a huge double-standard. Christians are supposed to shut up and not display their beliefs, and not attempt to get others to believe as they do, yet this person is ordering Christians to basically forsake their beliefs and follow another "path in life".

John B.

I want to donate money to this cause!

sincerely,

your average Catholic.

PS.
Have a drink on me.

#168 | Posted by slicksterWilly at 2009-09-25 09:41 PM | Reply | Flag: Won't be majoring in biology this year. Or anything else, for that matter.

#176 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2009-09-25 10:34 PM | Reply | Flag: Won't be getting laid any time soon. But will use his right hand.

Darwin is science? Evolution is repeatable, measurable? Bawahahahaha.

To be termed scientific, a method of inquiry must be based on gathering observable, empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning.[1] A scientific method consists of the collection of data through observation and experimentation, and the formulation and testing of hypotheses.[2]

Without the mystical man in the sky, there would be a lot less suffering in the world.

----

Alllllrighty then

"When was the last time you saw a billboard promoting God? "

Every time I go to my mother-in-law's house on Long Island.

But I see you recanted something there. I don't know. It's a billboard. I don't see it as part of some larger anti-Christian move. I understand how some believers would feel that they are being attacked, but I don't see the bans that Lisa describes. Are you saying that if you pray in public, people will look at you funny? I agree with that. No matter the religion. And it's probably been true for decades.

Religion is the cancer of mankind. It will keep us on this planet until our extinction.

To believe in God--a person must realize that dinosaurs were the main reason God created this planet. 140 million years for dinosaurs--6,000 years for humanity.

Maybe the dinosaurs had better morals.

Truth be told---I could fart a better God than that described in the bible. You could be sure it existed.

Religion is the cancer of mankind

Are you talking about your religions, too? E.G., the religion of smokestacks on the moon and 9/11 conspiracies? You cannot deny that you pursue these with a religious fervor that rivals that of any fundie. Or are you referring only to the religions that have a god involved?

"When was the last time you saw a billboard promoting God? "

There's one on 290 between Austin and Bastrop ("Will the road you're on get you to my place?" ~God. Always good for a laugh.), three on 969 between Austin and Bastrop and one on 71 between Austin and Bastrop at the Wyldwood Baptist Church (a real fountain of sanctimonious bullshit), so I see one every time I drive between Austin and Bastrop. Last little ditty at Wyldwood said RAIN, A GIFT FROM GOD. We're in the worst drought since the 50's and had just gotten a little shower. I asked myself, "What about the drought you asshole?"

We have god billboards here in Az,one says "you think its hot here?"

Bruce-
They're all over the place in Texas, too.

"Meet me at my house before the game.

-God"

The fact that churches pay to put their advertising slogans on billboards is probably the best proof of the nonexistence of God.

I once saw a billboard outside Springfield, MO that read "GOD HATES ABORTIONS." It seemed a bit presumptuous for a billboard to tell me what God thinks, especially since abortion isn't expressly proscribed in the Bible. Also, God hating anything seemed sharply at odds with the all-encompassing love of Jesus.

BuffaloBob-
You seem to believe in every ridiculous pile of crap except God.

I googled "God billboards" ...

SNOOFY, don't forget GOD HATES FAGS.

What a pile of sanctimonious crap.

More sign fun ...

The signs are probably still have a ways to go before they catch up with the number of churches.

Well, God definitely hates fags because what passes for conservatism these days hates fags, and they bought God fair and square a few years ago. God also hates ACORN. And any recent art that doesn't feature cowboys.

...This is the church I was baptized...Though I'm an atheist, I'd rather see these types of buildings than billboards.

Posted by goatman at 2009-09-26 03:05 AM

Come back, Goatman, come back.

I'll forgive you your transgressions, my son.

Just make your confession and return to the Church. It's not too late.

Don't blow it. It may be your last chance.

Sincerely yours,

GOD

When I'm back at my place tomorrow I'll scan my certificate of baptism. It's a United States Army document. I even had my own dog tags.

This is the church I was baptized

Posted by goatman at 2009-09-26 03:05 AM

Just joking around in my #198.

Your St. Patrick's Parish is a beautiful church.

When I'm back at my place tomorrow I'll scan my certificate of baptism.

#199 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2009-09-26 03:18 AM

Well, at least you didn't burn it. There's some hope for you yet.

Good night, ya heathens.

Just make your confession and return to the Church. It's not too late.

"Bless me father for I have sinned. My last confession was 44 years ago. But it would take the rest of my life to tell you all about them (especially the Navy days), and the penance would be over 8,500 Hail Marys and Acts of Contrition, so let's just forget the whole thing.

Now where did Sister Mary Theresa say she'd meet me?"

Sincerely yours,

GOD

Name dropper

Your St. Patrick's Parish is a beautiful church.

Yes it is. Notice the flying buttress architecture? About a year ago I went to it in the middle of the day in the middle of the week. The door is still unlocked. I went in and got some beautiful pictures. They have gorgeous stained glass.

I also climbed the bell tower -- something I had wanted to do since I could remember. LOL Good thing no one was there except for me and my cousin.

"Well, at least you didn't burn it."

It's an Army document. My old man would come back and kick my ass.

"I don't see the bans that Lisa describes."

They don't exist outside her paranoid delusions.

I went in and got some beautiful pictures. They have gorgeous stained glass.,,,

#204 | Posted by goatman at 2009-09-26 03:24

I looked through the section "Parish Pictures" and got a kick out of all the little kids in the First Communion photos -- cute. Also got a laugh out of the one photo showing a priest wearing a long robe and sitting in the back of a pick-up wearing a cowboy hat!

I'll bet the parish priests would appreciate you sending them a few of the pictures you took that day which you felt came out rather well. Especially close-ups of the stained glass windows. I'll bet they don't have any like it.

Calling it a night. Later everyone.

BuffaloBob-
You seem to believe in every ridiculous pile of crap except God.

#187 | Posted by BetelG at 2009-09-26 02:56 AM | Reply | Flag

So you think God is a pile of crap. Crap is useful. But what piles of crap are you talking about me believing in that you don't? Why do punks like yourself always refer to some "whacky" thing I believe in without making a specific reference?

I was recently proven correct on the 911 Commission being full of lies. They rejected their own findings and determnined that a government cover up was factual.Not that you would care.

Waiting on you

LOL

I'd like to hear how with all else being equal that a car antennae is superior to a firearm as a weapon. (we're going to eschew your ridiculous lopsided scenario and make all else equal as it should be in a fair comparison.)

Waiting on you.

LOL

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Maybe the lunar miners can help you with that antennae question.

Waiting on you LOL

*_")|

--I bet that's it isn't it. How about explaining THAT logic to me?

I will after you explain how creating lopsided scenarios is logical when comparing two items? In a logical comparison, all else is equal except for the arguments. (you were probably sick that year in school when they taught that)

Maybe that blue ghost angel can take a break from the Cincinatti gas station and help you.

Waiting on you

LOL

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I know you hate fair and logical comparisons (which explains your insistance on putting one weapon out of reach and comparing it to another in reach) but humor me here. Let's make it a fair comparison for a change. (don't worry, it won't kill you to use real logic for once)

Please explain how all else being equal that a car antennae is a superior weapon to a loaded handgun.

Waiting on you.

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Wow. All this waiting tells me da bOoB has no logical answer. Color me surprised! LOL

I reinstated Jackass after he'd been gone more than a year.

#166 | Posted by rcade at 2009-09-25 09:31 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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You're words are hollow RCADE. You said You was going to PERMANENTLY BAN Him. You didn't by Your own admittion. So Your words don't mean shit RCADE. Don't get Me wrong I recognize this is YOUR House. You just can't declare that You will drop an account for bringing up personal information becaquse I am living proof those words mean zilch.

Larry

Maybe RCade had a Jesus Moment and decided to forgive Jackass?

I also climbed the bell tower
What, no sniper rifle? :)

This is tiresome, Larry. You posted personal stuff about another member and I told you to stop. It needs to stop. It was wrong for you to get in the middle of a personal dispute between two people about stuff in real life.

As for the rest, If you find the way I run the site objectionable, there's an easy solution available to you. There are 10,000 other sites on the web where people discuss the news and politics.

"Please explain how all else being equal that a car antennae is a superior weapon to a loaded handgun."

Very simple, Goat. When you get home you lock your handgun away from the kids but you carry your car antenna in your left hand all the time.

"but you carry your car antenna in your left hand all the time"

With the car attached? What if it's an in-the-windshield antenna? We're going over to pick up the grand kids and I'll have a Sig P239 in my waistband the whole time while the car antenna stays on the car.

#210
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#214 | Posted by goatman

Pretty funny to watch Goatman stalk Bob and get ignored. Way to go, Bob.

As for the rest, If you find the way I run the site objectionable, there's an easy solution available to you. There are 10,000 other sites on the web where people discuss the news and politics

That's true rcade but this place has a special vibe to it despite the Mickey Mouse 90's web page setup.

[That's a hint: Time to upgrade to the 21st century Rogers!!!]

I'll have a Sig P239 in my waistband the whole time while the car antenna stays on the car.

#219 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2009-09-26 10:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

And when the bad guy comes up behind you and puts a knife to your throat--go for it. Let me know how that works out.

Users hate redesigns, Scotch. Every time I challenge this principle I catch hell.

"What if it's an in-the-windshield antenna?"

In that case you'll have to purchase a detachable antenna from Buffaloed_Boob. He has them shipped in from the factory on the moon.

"In that case you'll have to purchase a detachable antenna from Buffaloed_Boob."

No thanks. I'll keep my Sig in my waistband.

" Let me know how that works out."

Give it a try sometime, loser.

Give it a try sometime, loser.

#226 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2009-09-26 11:08 AM | Reply | Flag

I wouldn't want to do the prison time just to prove a point. I wouldn't have much time to enjoy the satisfaction of saying "I told you so." anyway, as your life gurgled away.

"Users hate redesigns, Scotch. Every time I challenge this principle I catch hell.

#223 | Posted by rcade"

Just implement an ignore function. Everyone will love it.

Just implement an ignore function. Everyone will love it.

#228 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-09-26 11:36 AM | Reply | Flag

Agreed--if this were a democracy, that option would have a better mandate than Bush, and may even improve the rudeness level on the site.

"may even improve the rudeness level on the site."

No question about it. It would undoubtedly reduce flame wars.

"I wouldn't want to do the prison time just to prove a point."

You won't have to.

Now go back to your car antenna, smokestacks on the moon and the rest of your loony bullshit.

"No question about it. It would undoubtedly reduce flame wars."

Although I would like to see an ignore button, it's not going to stop people from saying things they shouldn't nor do I think it will stop many flame wars.

Some flamers come here strictly to flame.

If someone is getting flamed but has the ignore button on the flamer (are we still talking about the same thing?? lol), but reads the other comments from people who may be responding to the flamer, that person will just turn off the ignore button and start reading and responding anyway.

LOL

Sign o' the times sed wot?

"Praise Darwin"?

Seems a little silly but okay...

Science, where everybody is somebody but Darwin is Lord!

Spud-------> Keeds!

Christians aren't the only ones irked by this sign.

The FSM also does not look kindly on this Darwin signage that takes the focus off of His own Noodly Perfection!

Now go back to your car antenna, smokestacks on the moon and the rest of your loony bullshit.

#231 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2009-09-26 12:07 PM | Reply | Flag

I believe you were shown to be an idiot about the car antenna---not to hard anyway. But the SMOKESTACK ON THE MOON? Gee---it's LOONY? That must mean you have an explanation, or you are simply talking out your pontificating ass as usual. There are two kinds of people who mock the SMOKESTACK ON THE MOON, those who simply deny its existence despite the NASA/NOVA provenance, and those who think it is a magical appearing, moving, fading, and disappearing smudge on a still picture in less than 1/6 second. Which kind of idiot are you? I'm betting the first scenario. Deny its existence, and prove me correct again.

Darwin is science? Evolution is repeatable, measurable? Bawahahahaha.

#168 | Posted by slicksterWilly

Got a dog? Take a close look at him/her. The original "dog" looks nothing like the breeds we have today. I wonder how that happened?

Could we do it again?

You betcha!

Wink! Wink!

Darwin was a great naturalist, and a brilliant mind, and I think he deserves praise.
I do, however, think a billboard is a bit over the top.
Besides, the group paying for these billboards isn't actually praising Darwin, are they...

Darwin was a man who figured out a lot of scientific fact. I'm an atheist and I won't praise him. Nah...he's only found what is scientifically able to be proven. I save my praise for my children when they do something unexpectedly special.

Way back when I was in college there was a guy who was trying to start his own religion based on the worship of diplodocus. He would draw a dipolodus on the blackboard before class and write Worship Diplodocus under the drawing. This was in the early 1970s. He was a funny guy.

Users hate redesigns, Scotch. Every time I challenge this principle I catch hell.

The health care debate is in the other thread, lil' buddy. :)

Pretty funny to watch Goatman stalk Bob and get ignored.

IT certainly is. A tacit admission of being wrong from him is as good as him actually saying it.

Way to go, bOoB! Thanks for the concession.

#8.... The middle line was the same I was thinking...

The one thing that separates true Christians from the rest of the world (Islam, Hinduism, atheism, scoffing liberals, etc, etc):

The indwelling Spirit of Christ (Romans 8:9; 1 Cor. 2:14).

Yes, I can imagine 'no religion', but I cannot do without Christ (Acts 17:18).