I'll laugh my ass off if he votes against the health care bill.

Could you imagine the screaming from the left if a republican controlled state did this?

Oh well, if you can't follow the law, make it up as you go along!!

Bright side is, Ol' Teddy boy is still rotting away.

Sarah Palin should move to Massachusetts and run for the senate there. She could be a carpet-bagger like Hillary Clinton.

If Hilldabeast is gonna bag anything, it outta be that face.

"Sarah Palin should move to Massachusetts and run for the senate there."

Yeah, and then resign in two years.

Bright side is, Ol' Teddy boy is still rotting away.

I doubt it. The gin ought to keep the decomposition process at bay at least until the end of the century.

"Could you imagine the screaming from the left if a republican controlled state did this?"

Just read the damned thread already here. All of this has been talked to death.

Yes, I'm asking for new focus, not retreads. Now where's whatshisname to accuse me of appointing myself governor of the thread? : )

So the will of the people in Mass was a total of three? Kennedy's ex and his two sons?

Seems like a good pick.

I guess rigthies forget that Republican who was gonna join Obama's cabinet until he found out he couldn't hand pick his replacement?

Don't remember quite so much rightwing whining then....

Senator appoints wife to finish his term

"I guess rigthies forget that Republican who was gonna join Obama's cabinet until he found out he couldn't hand pick his replacement?"

Or he figured out he didn't really fit in because he paid his taxes on time. Could be he didn't want to be associated with the Obama Amateur Hour Show. I think he made a wise choice removing himself.

What makes you think he couldn't just change the law like Mass? No reason to think he couldn't do the same thing and flaunt the law somehow. Then simply change it back if necessary.

#10 & #11, sure looks like that put an end to the wing ding fauxrage over this.

Ooops spoke too soon. Some wingdings just don't know when to quit.

"I guess rigthies forget that Republican who was gonna join Obama's cabinet until he found out he couldn't hand pick his replacement?"

I think you're referring to Senator Judd Gregg of New Hampshire, where I happen to live.

And no, Crispee, I don't think the legislature of New Hampshire would go for such a law change, primarily because they couldn't agree on anything long enough to get to a vote. : ) But too, we are more independent minded than that. I love the choices on registering to vote. My favorite? Undeclared. Yep, I'm undeclared. Well, no, I declare that both Republicans and Democrats suck. : 0

I guess rigthies forget that Republican who was gonna join Obama's cabinet until he found out he couldn't hand pick his replacement?

Don't remember quite so much rightwing whining then....

#10 | Posted by northguy3 at

please...repubs didnt change a law BACK to suit them like they did here.

goddamn hypocrital democrats...

there is simply no spin any of you can put on this to excuse or apologize for it.
again..just admit it was done for political purposes ONlY....
and THEN we can move on.....(maybe...lol)

So the will of the people in Mass was a total of three? Kennedy's ex and his two sons?

#8 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2009-09-24 12:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Well, there was one other person. THE GOVERNOR!

Damn, you clowns are dumb.

I'm so glad that this man is my new Senator. It helps restore the 60 majority and that makes republicans so angry (more reason to love it).

It helps restore the 60 majority and that makes republicans so angry (more reason to love it).

Actually, I think the right i probably very pleased. Ever with their wildest spins, the democrats can no longer blame the republicans, hence a hastening of the swinging political pendulum.

As for pretending the republicans never do this; NIGGA PLEASE!!

#17 | Posted by COMMONSENSE at

in 2010 I hope there is a lot of law changing going on in dc....so in that regard...yeah sure...

but not like this...if this isnt hypocritical democrat bullshit then nothing is...and THATS THE PROBLEM

when I first heard this proposal my first thought was surely even MASS democrats wouldnt do something as blatant as this but with all of the people here making excuses for it..I guess my first thought was giving goddamn democrats in MASS too much credit

Totally legal and guaranteed to cause extremist rightwingers (a la BL2) heads' to explode. What is is Ronald McDonald likes to say? "I'm luving it".

"when I first heard this proposal my first thought was surely even MASS democrats wouldnt do something"....that would actually further the agenda that Sen Kennedy made the centerpiece of his career.

It would have been disappointing if they had not done this.

It was legal, it was hypocritical.. but.. I don't think anyone seriously questioned that a democrat would be filling that seat..

So it doesn't change much in the big picture..

The hope of the nation now lies with those brave souls that have dared to stray off the Reid and Pelosi plantation.. all depends on how hard "massas" Reid and Pelosi whups um back to the cotton patch.

Otherwise you have a 60 dem majority and a far left wing radical president frightened that his majorities will evaporate come next year..

Bar the door.

"hence a hastening of the swinging political pendulum."

Yeah, got to get back to starting more wars, cutting more tax cuts for rich folks and screwing over the people.

"a far left wing radical president "

I'm gasping for air, I'm laughing so hard.

That is pretty hilarious PRAGMATIST, I'm laughing too....and sort of wishing it were true.

I'm so glad that this man is my new Senator. It helps restore the 60 majority and that makes republicans so angry (more reason to love it).

#18 | Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2009-09-24 01:51 PM |
I am sure you may have found one person who thought a repub may be picked to fill the seat. He is also the only one to think this was the will of the people. Not the will of the DNC.

"He is also the only one to think this was the will of the people. Not the will of the DNC."

Massachussetts citizens are out in the streets chanting....we don't want two senators, we don't want 2 senators...

I fail to see any need for outrage over this. The governor appointing a temporary replacement is hardly a big deal.

Though weren't the Democrats all up in arms about it when Romney was governor there? LOL, hypocrits.

#28...
Is this the same poster trying to be funny that said this was the "will of the people"? lol

But couldn't answer how the same people who elected a republican Governor, had the same will, when the dem controlled legislation changed the law in 2004?

If this had been engineered by Karl Rove the same hypocrits who are whining today would have been cheering and calling him a political genius.

#31...
Nice. Right out of the recent dem playbook, going back after Bush and Company when you are asked to respond. What a good little sheep.

Crispee it's about winning. It was about winning when Republicans were in charge, it's about winning when Democrats are in charge. I can't feel sorry that our guys play as well as your guys. It's the results that count. If health care reform results then this is a good thing, if it doesn't pass then this is irrelevant.

Crispee it's about winning. It was about winning when Republicans were in charge, it's about winning when Democrats are in charge. I can't feel sorry that our guys play as well as your guys. It's the results that count. If health care reform results then this is a good thing, if it doesn't pass then this is irrelevant.

#34...

You can't come here and say it is all about the will of the people, then come back and say it is all about winning. That's why we have politicians.lol

It is the will of the people to win. To pass the legislation they elected Ted Kennedy to pass. Massachussetts understood that health care was his priority when they reelected him that last time and this new Senator will hopefully be finishing that task.
Give it up, sour grapes are unbecoming.

Danni would support voter fraud if it meant her side winning.

Another reason why I despise Democrats. They could not give a rats ass about Democracy and make decisions only to keep power. They keep changing the same laws only to benefit their party and the will of the Kennedy clan.

For the all the so called "intellect" in the state with their ivory towers (Harvard, MIT, etc.) they are sure a stupid lot when it comes to voting (i.e., Barney "I ran a gay prostitution service out of my home" Frank and Ted "I killed Mary Jo Kopechne" Kennedy).

Another reason why I despise Democrats. They could not give a rats ass about Democracy and make decisions only to keep power. They keep changing the same laws only to benefit their party and the will of the Kennedy clan.

#38 | Posted by utastaff at 2009-09-24 04:26 PM

That said, I just hope the likes of Danni realize they're no better when they make it all about "winning."

Lordie, it's enough to make a guy call another guy an Oreo when Utah Staph calls the state of Harvard and MIT "stupid." The Ute is not qualified to carry the Kennedy and Frank law books. herm

" I just hope the likes of Danni realize they're no better when they make it all about "winning."

Yeah when someone gets treated for cancer because of health care reform I'm going to really care that the winning vote was gained in the slightly convoluted method Ted Kennedy pushed for before he died.

Yeah when someone gets treated for cancer because of health care reform I'm going to really care that the winning vote was gained in the slightly convoluted method Ted Kennedy pushed for before he died.

#41 | Posted by danni at 2009-09-24 04:34 PM

The people of Massachussets are SLAVES to the Kennedy Klan. How corrupt can these Dems get?!!!

"Kirk is a Kennedy family friend who served on the late senator's staff for eight years and is chairman of the JFK Library Foundation.

Kennedy's widow, Vicki Kennedy, and son Edward Kennedy Jr. had urged Patrick to pick Kirk."

The only good thing about Kirk over Kennedy is that he is not in bed with the public option element of healthcare reform:

"Kirk declined to completely back one of Kennedy's most prized aspects of the controversial public health care reform - the public option which is a government health insurance program."

Kirk will vote for whatever plan the Democrats finally propose whether or not it has a public option. It isn't like he will be chairing any committees or having any major input. He'll be fine.
I think they should all wear football type jerseys, he could be number 60.

-he could be number 60.

He may have to wrestle Al Franken for his jersey.

It isn't like he will be chairing any committees or having any major input.

#46 | Posted by danni

Yeah, but at the end of the day, his vote will count just as much as anyone else's. Plus, he is more unpredictable because he already stated that he will not run for election to keep the seat next year so party pressure won't mean anything.

"Yeah when someone gets treated for cancer because of health care reform I'm going to really care that the winning vote was gained in the slightly convoluted method Ted Kennedy pushed for before he died.'

Except of course when a Rep Admin. pushes for the exact same HC reform. Then Kennedy is allowed to lie and block the reform and not be called a hypocrite today. FTFY.

It is the will of the people to win. To pass the legislation they elected Ted Kennedy to pass. Massachussetts understood that health care was his priority when they reelected him that last time and this new Senator will hopefully be finishing that task.
Give it up, sour grapes are unbecoming.

#36 | Posted by danni at 2009-09-24 04:18 PM

For the umpteenth time danni... Why did Kennedy and the leading dems block the exact same reforms of the previous administration? Why won't you answer a simple question. You obviously know exactly what Kennedy would or wouldn't do. Why are you mum?

I guess rigthies forget that Republican who was gonna join Obama's cabinet until he found out he couldn't hand pick his replacement?

Don't remember quite so much rightwing whining then....

#10 | Posted by northguy3
Dickhead, he followed the law and stayed (if you are even dumb ass enough to belive your statement) he did not just change the rules mid stream to fit what he wanted. Dirty corupt pols all need to go

I am sure you may have found one person who thought a repub may be picked to fill the seat. He is also the only one to think this was the will of the people. Not the will of the DNC.

#26 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2009-09-24 03:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

????

when I first heard this proposal my first thought was surely even MASS democrats wouldnt do something as blatant as this but with all of the people here making excuses for it..I guess my first thought was giving goddamn democrats in MASS too much credit

#19 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-09-24 02:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

Nobody here in Mass cares what you think nor how much 'credit' you choose to give.

We care that we have full representation in the US Senate and don't have to wait 5 months.

"Yeah, but at the end of the day, his vote will count just as much as anyone else's. Plus, he is more unpredictable because he already stated that he will not run for election to keep the seat next year so party pressure won't mean anything."

So isn't that a good thing from your anti-Dem perspective? : )

"Except of course when a Rep Admin. pushes for the exact same HC reform. Then Kennedy is allowed to lie and block the reform and not be called a hypocrite today. FTFY."

Bush pushed for public option, nationalized HC? Really? Jesus, how did I miss that? I'd have to like the guy.

"The change to state law to let an interim senator be named angered Republicans and some Democrats. They saw it as a hypocritical reversal of a law state Democrats passed in 2004 to prevent a Republican governor from naming a replacement for Democratic Senator John Kerry if he had won that year's presidential election"

Oh..thats right - Democrats only think about power - not what is legal or morally right thing to do.

That is why the constitution means nothing, especially the freedom of speech (we need Hate Speach legislation so shut up anyone that does not agree with us), The will of the people means nothing, the rules that govern a society means nothing.

Honor and honesty are just words.

Power is everything.

Oh..thats right - Democrats only think about power - not what is legal or morally right thing to do.

Honor and honesty are just words.

Power is everything.

#54 | Posted by foshaffer at 2009-09-24 11:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

????

Can you please explain what was illegal about what was done? I'm dying to hear this.

Also, as for power, please don't pretend that the Republicans weren't giddy with themselves over the idea of a 'Permanent Majority'. You sound silly when you try to paint the repubs as saints.

"Oh..thats right - Democrats only think about power - not what is legal or morally right thing to do."

Right, all Democrats behave the same way. And by further implication, all Republicans honor the Constitution and never enact laws or deals simply to please themselves or their constituents. Jesus, but I love these black-white dichotomies some of y'all construct as simplified reality. Maybe it makes it easier for you to survive in a complicated world.

***"I guess rigthies forget that Republican who was gonna join Obama's cabinet until he found out he couldn't hand pick his replacement?

Don't remember quite so much rightwing whining then...."NORTHGUY***

What's your point? He followed the law as it was written in the books instead of changing it to fit his needs.

***"Senator appoints wife to finish his term

www.2news.tv"***DANNI

What's your point? Were laws changed so he could do this?

What was done in Mass was perfectly legal but just as perfectly hypocritical. Kennedy helped pass the law that took the power of appointment away from Romney when Kerry was running for president. Now the tables are turned, so instead of following the law they (Dems) wrote, they change it to fit their needs. Politics as usual, but you have to admit, if it was a Repub state, all you would see on here would be "cheating rethuglicans" or "rtards bastards." The hypocracy is just as strong here as it is in Mass, on both sides.

a far left wing radical president
#22 | Posted by nmg_no at 2009-09-24 02:48 PM

Been smoking what Hannity is selling.

"The hypocracy is just as strong here as it is in Mass, on both sides." Nicely done, JW.

What I find most disappointing in this thread is the intransigence.

***"What I find most disappointing in this thread is the intransigence."

Quite frustrating sometimes, entertaining at others.

True, JW; true. I think it's all in the reader's/hearer's mood at the time--and perhaps in how cleverly or how tongue-in-cheek(ily?) the speaker/writer puts his/her intransigence. (Some on here have a great sense of humor even as they infuriate me. Sometimes I let it get to me; sometimes I don't. Sometimes I feel like a nut; sometimes I don't.)

We care that we have full representation in the US Senate and don't have to wait 5 months.

#52 | Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2009-09-24 07:52 PM
* * * *

Was that your point of view when the law was originally passed? That in the event of Kennedy's demise, a special election would have to be called, thereby bypassing then-Governor Romney? Were you concerned, then, that you wouldn't have "full representation in the US Senate", pending the outcome of an election five months out?

Feel free to provide a link to where you said so. If not, I'll just assume you're a Dem tool, and would rather your precious Senate seat remain empty than have a Republican fill it.

a far left wing radical president "

I'm gasping for air, I'm laughing so hard.

#24 | Posted by pragmatist at 2009

he said judge him by the people he surrounds himself with

bill ayers
van jones
acorn

nuff said

AND MASS republicans asking judge to rule on constitutional 90 day waiting period .
so anyone know where that is or what it says?

Love to hear the whining from the Riiight, folks who normally yammer incessantly about "states' rights."

Does the state legislate in Massachusetts have a right to vote to change a law? Yes.

Once that change in law passes the state legislature, does the governor of Massachusetts have a right to sign it into law? Yes.

Personally, I'm poleaxed that a state legislature would do anything politically expedient. I mean, what's next? Gerrymandering?

LOL

Jeez, Afk, do you know what radical leftwing means? In a context other than limited political discourse of the last 12 or 15 years? It would seem not. But that's par for the course here and apparently in America.

But it's okay. You go on being angry. Though maybe it's as Nanc said--it's good for your blood pressure to release your anger through the Net.

(From what I can see, Van Jones is fairly radical, but I've not read up about him beyond a few things here. And if he's a truther, and judged for that, y'all should be admitting that the birthers are radicals--er, reactionaries--too. Bill Ayers--Is the president still "surrounding" the president? Was he ever surrounding Obama before he was president? ACORN... now? Really?)

I know exactly what it means and it means just what this man in the white house is

and dont try and use the salinsky playbook on me.

my question again
I heard something this morning about a 'constitutional' 90 day wait period before they can announce this and swearing in is planned for today

whats the skinny on that?

thats right doc

and we read libs crying about what the states decide on and if its an issue that libs disagree with, they are the ones doing the whining and crying.

that mirror libs have had in thier face lately is sure making them 'testi'.

(I know how to spell testy...its a pun kuncklehead)

and thank you prag for your concern about my blood pressure.....these women walking around with no bras on does more to it than anything someone here says...

seems that the blood is going in only one direction

"I know exactly what it means and it means just what this man in the white house is"

Then we haven't studied the same history 'cause the man ain't socialist to me. I'm much, much closer to socialist than he is.

"and dont try and use the salinsky playbook on me."

I wouldn't know how. I don't know what it is.

"my question again
I heard something this morning about a 'constitutional' 90 day wait period before they can announce this and swearing in is planned for today
whats the skinny on that?"

What are you talking about?

"and thank you prag for your concern about my blood pressure.....these women walking around with no bras on does more to it than anything someone here says..."

Well, I used to be concerned. Now I"m just alarmed.

I thought you were in Texas, not California. ("California girls are the best in the world/each one a song in the making...")

take over of banks
take over of auto
unions running amok
congressmen and women attacking american citizens for protesting using first amendment
childen being brainwashed in schools
taking over 1/6 of economy on health care

no...nothing radical in any of those...

democrats now telling us that we arent going to be allowed to read the HC reform bill and wont even give the cbo time to look at it for cost..

by 2016 the cbo says that taxes on health care under obama will go up 40%
bho in process of having UN for our foreign affairs consultant
more "czars' than you can remember and all but two with NO oversight at all

NOPE>..I guess you're right....nothing radical there...

please

bats flying in the sky
dogs howling at the moon
monkeys flying out my ass

no...nothing odd going on here at all..

at..all..

jeezus, the walls are starting to melt
the lightbulb's singing "Tiptoe through the Tulips"
the commode's humming "The Star-Spangled Banner"
Marilyn Chambers just opened the Green Door

green door..

Saw an eyeball peepin' through a smokey cloud
Behind the green door
When I said Joe sent me
Someone laughed out loud
Behind the green door.
All I want to do is join the happy crowd
Behind the green door

HAL? is ThAt YOu HAL?
Open the pod door!
~Aflakabibblebabble

sorry but could you repeat that

after reading marilyn chambers...I wasny paying attention.............

I heard a report that the MASS repubilcans were asking for an injunction on the swearing in today because the constitution calls for a 90 day wait period before someone can even be names which would make all of this a violation

NOT that dems give a shit about that, but I would like to know more.

"take over of banks
take over of auto
unions running amok
congressmen and women attacking american citizens for protesting using first amendment
childen being brainwashed in schools
taking over 1/6 of economy on health care"

Explain each.

Banks? Loans in many cases, no? That's what I heard, and some paid it back. Few, but they did.

Takeover of auto? One company, right? Okay, what would have happened if they'd been allowed to fail (as they should have been)?

What unions running amok?

Oh, wait, no Republican congressmen and women ever attacked Americans for protesting? Really? Hm. And you do know that the president is neither a congressman nor a congresswoman, right?

Children being brainwashed in schools? OhmyGOD, you have totally lost it. The first two, maybe even the third I can understand. But this? WTF, man. I think you're smoking something, and I wish you'd share.

I've heard the economy/health care comment over and over and over again, but no one has explained it. I'm ready.

***"Children being brainwashed in schools? OhmyGOD, you have totally lost it. The first two, maybe even the third I can understand. But this? WTF, man. I think you're smoking something, and I wish you'd share."***PRAG