Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Wednesday, September 23, 2009

The Massachusetts state Senate approved a bill yesterday that would let Governor Deval Patrick appoint an interim successor to Edward M. Kennedy, paving the way for the appointment of a new US senator as early as tomorrow. Republicans are contemplating a last-ditch legal challenge in an effort to derail the bill.

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Hypocrat party alive and well in DC.

Hypocrat party alive and well in DC.

#1 | Posted by American1st at 2009-09-23 07:10 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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This is the Mass State Senate. NOT the US Senate.

Be nice to him Larry, he's not too bright.

OK,then, Hypocrat party alive and well in Mass. Either way, they're changing the rules to fit the situation. They only made the rule (at Kennedy's behest) so Romney couldn't appoint an interim in the (unlikely) event Horseface would have won in '04.

No harm in honouring a dying Man one of His last wishes.Desires.

Larry

Bullshit. It's politics, Larry. You would be OK with Republicans doing the same thing? Yeah, right....

No harm in honouring a dying Man one of His last wishes.Desires.

When the man's last dying wish is the manipulation the system he advocated just years prior, there's some harm in it.

I'm almost certain that you'd feel differently if this were a Republican Gov replacing a Republican Senator to achieve a 60 member majority.

Considerings I live in a heavily Republican State I see nothing wrong with it.

Larry

Considerings I live in a heavily Republican State I see nothing wrong with it.

Your geographic location doesn't have anything to do with hypocrisy.

I look at it like this Axiom. I deal with My backyard and I leave Mass's backyard to those who live in Mass

Larry

That would be all well and good, except that the way Mass is changing their laws to suit the situation has an affect on the entire country.

Changing the rules to get what you want is not how things are supposed to work. As a grown man, you should know that.

If laws are to be changed on the whims of a dying man to forward an agenda, then what are the purposes of the laws? They become minor road blocks, easily dismissed by a wave of the hand.

Oh, no. I agree with Axiom. Well, not in detail or tone. But in principle. Even though I want the Democratic majority preserved in the Senate, I think this is wrong. Rules exist, and you can't change them for political expediency. If this had happened independent of his death and the current political ratio, I wouldn't have a problem with it. But I don't think this should have even have come up.

By the by, what are the rules in W.Va. (if I have the state right)? Isn't Byrd sick, too? Is anyone on the right near death? (I mean, any more than all of us are. : ) )

Byrd fell the other day, but I don't think he's in emminent danger of dying. I'm sure Manchin will appoint himself to Byrd's seat if he can figure a way to do so.

Oh, no. I agree with Axiom. Well, not in detail or tone. But in principle. Even though I want the Democratic majority preserved in the Senate, I think this is wrong. Rules exist, and you can't change them for political expediency. If this had happened independent of his death and the current political ratio, I wouldn't have a problem with it. But I don't think this should have even have come up.

By the by, what are the rules in W.Va. (if I have the state right)? Isn't Byrd sick, too? Is anyone on the right near death? (I mean, any more than all of us are. : ) )

#12 | Posted by pragmatist at 2009-09-23 09:12 AM


Are you honestly this naive?

That's what politicians do... Everywhere, regardless of party affiliation.

This move by the dems in Mass is certainly understandable.. but it's also hypocritical to say the least given all their earlier rhetoric when they took away the governor's right to appoint.

This kind of thing can backfire..

In my previous post, I meant to respond to AXIOM's #11
not the #12.

My bad.

Are you honestly this naive?

That's what politicians do... Everywhere, regardless of party affiliation.

#14 | Posted by Roy_Batty

Nope!

Democrats are pure.

Republicans are pure.

Depending on one's point-of-view, of course.

Wished like hell Victoria Kennedy would take the seat. That would make My day for sure.

Larry

"No harm in honouring a dying Man one of His last wishes.Desires." #5 | Posted by LarryMohr

FF, good one.

Are there any Kennedy criminals left to fill the "loudmouth seat".

#5 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2009-09-23 07:31 AM | Reply | Flag: I am so full of shit my eyes are brown.

Your a fucking tool and a liar. At least be honest with yourself. I am sure you were feeling the same way with Romney - you and DANNI must share a room together at Bellvue.

Are you honestly this naive?

That's what politicians do... Everywhere, regardless of party affiliation.

Did you only read one post of mine in the thread?

I'm not arguing that politicians don't engage in this type of nonsense on a regular basis. I'm arguing that there is some harm in it, which was Larry's point originally.

#5 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2009-09-23 07:31 AM | Reply | Flag: I am so full of shit my eyes are brown.

Your a fucking tool and a liar. At least be honest with yourself. I am sure you were feeling the same way with Romney - you and DANNI must share a room together at Bellvue.

Posted by ELCIDCE90 at 2009-09-23 09:38 AM | Reply

You're full of shit. I never cared what Mass did in 2004. Nor in 2005 nor 2006 as far as replacing people etc etc etc. Why should I care about personnell issues in a State that I do not reside in?/ Makes no sense whatsoever. That is the trouble with many folks. They want to involve themselves in someone elses backyard and they neglect their own because they are busy bodies. But nice try at an attempted hard on for Me.

laterz

"I'm not arguing that politicians don't engage in this type of nonsense on a regular basis. I'm arguing that there is some harm in it, which was Larry's point originally."

Ditto. What is it about some posters on this site who think that saying something _should_ be a certain way means we are ignorant to the fact that things aren't actually that way? Bizarre leap of logic.

Did my phrase "in principle" mean nothing? It was wrong of the Mass Senate to do this; that's my point. I'm not saying it's surprising or out of character, just that it's wrong. Like corruption. Or sexcapades. Happens all the time--we still complain and criticize.

"You're full of shit. I never cared what Mass did in 2004. Nor in 2005 nor 2006 as far as replacing people etc etc etc. Why should I care about personnell issues in a State that I do not reside in?/ Makes no sense whatsoever. That is the trouble with many folks. They want to involve themselves in someone elses backyard and they neglect their own because they are busy bodies. But nice try at an attempted hard on for Me."

Larry, while I agree with you on many things, including that there are too many busybodies in the world, I don't get this argument for this case. Massachusetts is affecting the balance of power (by maintaining the status quo, or allowing the governor to do so--it's not as if Deval Patrick will even consider picking a Republican) in the _United States Senate_, which affects all of us. I think we all should care about this, no matter the party affiliation. If any of us claim to care about representation, we should care about this.

Of course, one could extend that concern to wanting all states to have the same rules about replacing US Senators and Representatives. But how would that be effected? (And yes, I spelled that word correctly for the usage. : ) )

"This kind of thing can backfire.."

Unlikely in Mass.

BTW, bravo Massachussetts!!

Call me a hypocrit, it's fine with me, but soon I'll be a hypocrit with national health care. I'm sure none of those so concerned about "hypocrisy" now will prefer to pay higher premiums or be rejected due to a pre-existing condition.
The real hypocrisy is from those who earn their living either directly or indirectly from the health insurance industry and present all the dishonest talking point arguments against real reform.

They want to involve themselves in someone elses backyard and they neglect their own because they are busy bodies. But nice try at an attempted hard on for Me.

#23 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2009-09-23 09:45 AM

I guess you forgot the Senate represents you and your backyard. You know they write laws for the entire country, they vote on legislation for the entire country.

So when you foolishly cry about some concersn ro complaints outside the State in question, just remember it could have been a republican. Who could alter the majority, which alters the Committees, which alters the Chairs.

Maybe it is time for all States to have a law, where the two representatives are of the same party as the Governor. Or maybe there should be a law that restricts States from changing its mind every time it fits their party needs.

concersn ro...
concerns or

"concersn ro...
concerns or"

I understood it the first time. Almost looks Italian. : )

#26...
Much more articulate than #29. Now had you posted a little earlier, my inferior retort would not have been published.lol

#30...Almost looks Italian. : )

Buongiorno mio bel fiore.

"Buongiorno mio bel fiore."

Good morning to you too sweetie!!

"Call me a hypocrit, it's fine with me, but soon I'll be a hypocrit with national health care. I'm sure none of those so concerned about "hypocrisy" now will prefer to pay higher premiums or be rejected due to a pre-existing condition.
The real hypocrisy is from those who earn their living either directly or indirectly from the health insurance industry and present all the dishonest talking point arguments against real reform."

It's scary, but I'm disagreeing with (some of) the liberals on the site. Shit. Why are you people doing this to _me_?

I too want some kind of national health care, and no, I wouldn't prefer to pay higher premiums, but I think that what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

Danni, I won't call you a hypocrite, but I will say I disagree. Firmly. It's wrong. (In my ever so humble.)

And I also think the health care reform is hardly a slam-dunk, even with the 60-vote majority. Tons of blue dogs (oops, did I get my jargon right) have said they will vote against it if it has a public option. And I think it should have a public option. (Yep, call me socialist, all you rightwing critics.)

#34...
I believe the key word is "racist" this month. So.. you are a racist if you or your pointing out anything or anyone negative to the reform bill.

This thread needs about a quarter ton of cheese to go with all the whining.

Tell me Republicans wouldn't do the same thing in the same situation...... I'll wait.

Of course, they would, Corky. Or someone would try to.

So folks on both sides need to take an honest look at what they're saying. Except for me; I'm perfect, and always right.

Tell me Republicans wouldn't do the same thing in the same situation...... I'll wait.
#36 | Posted by Corky at 2009-09-23 10:20 AM |

Twice in less than five years? One made up law and another changing the made up law?

#38

Considering how GOPhers gerrymandered Congressional districts the last 8 years, this is child's play.

This is the Mass State Senate. NOT the US Senate.

#2 | Posted by LarryMohr

That was the demacratic party lar.

"Or maybe there should be a law that restricts States from changing its mind every time it fits their party needs."

I'd love to see you try to present a case that such a law would be Constitutional.

Sorry to disagree with some here but the citizens of Massachussetts elect their own state legislators to carry out their wishes. At the present time it would be agood bet that the majority of citizens of Mass. fully support the legislature making sure that the citizens of Mass. are represented by two Senators. And no, citizens of other states should not have anything to say about how Massachussetts decides to make sure they have full representation.

Good point, Danni.

Some of these Dem State Sens might have lost heir seats had they not done what the MA electorate wanted, replace their Sen now.

This is reminiscent of the argument against passing health care refrom through reconciliation even though the former Republican majority used it many times including when they passed the Bush tax cuts for the rich which resulted in 2.5 trillion dollars of debt.

#42 and #43...

So if a red state decided to change their state laws everytime it fit ther party needs, that is OK? What if Alabama changed their law and appointed George Wallace as a US Senator? Or how about a state appointing the likes of David Duke?

Mass. is capable of electing a republican, and it is obvious the dems are either scared or don't believe in fair elections anymore. Unless fair means only a dem can be elected.

George Wallace died a good man who more than repented for the evils of his youth.

This is reminiscent of the argument against passing health care refrom through reconciliation...

We all know how well that worked when Bush proposed health care reform a few years ago. Care to guess who was the biggest critic and obstacle to reform? You guessed it, Sen. Edward Kennedy.

George Wallace died a good man who more than repented for the evils of his youth.

He is still used today as a barometer of the extreme right.

We all know how well that worked when Bush proposed health care reform a few years ago. Care to guess who was the biggest critic and obstacle to reform?

Welcome to the Liberal Curse- we can all agree that reform is needed and then fall apart on how to reform. Conservatives can remain united in "NO CHANGE."

Crispee,
That is as wrong IMHO as saying Byrd is a racist still. They have made huge strides to correct the sins of their past. Wallace left office with a monster approval rating in the black community.

party over country.....

dont EVEN try and pull that shit with us again.

we will remember this as the standard for that charge.
what a bunch of liberal fucks.

Mass. is capable of electing a republican, and it is obvious the dems are either scared or don't believe in fair elections anymore. Unless fair means only a dem can be elected.

#44 | Posted by crispee_oc

Did you miss the part about this being a temporary position filled by someone who won't run for the office?

#46

Bush's idea of health care reform was to give more of your tax dollars to insurance companies. Which they did.

They should replace the Old Bastard with a member of Mary Jo's Family.

Did you miss the part about this being a temporary position filled by someone who won't run for the office?

Based on what? Roland Burris? Are you saying the Gov won't appoint anyone who wants to run in the special election? Why would they appoint a temporary representative?

Crispee,
That is as wrong IMHO as saying Byrd is a racist still. They have made huge strides to correct the sins of their past. Wallace left office with a monster approval rating in the black community.

Kan...

Wallace is an example off the top of my head. Like David Duke. My point was someone "extreme" and way to the right.

They should replace the Old Bastard with a member of Mary Jo's Family.

#53 | Posted by Badeye at 2009-09-23 11:08 AM | Reply |

Or Mary Jo herself. Hell, it wouldn't be like she could accomplish less than Teddy did over his 47 years in the Senate.

For all the lip service democrats give to concepts like "enfranchisement" and "sticking up for the little guy," they seem awfully comfortable going with the dictatorial option in this case, so long as it suits their political needs. Just goes to show that the aforementioned concepts are not principles held by democrats, but merely tools they can use to get gullible feel-gooders to vote for them.

"Some of these Dem State Sens might have lost heir seats had they not done what the MA electorate wanted, replace their Sen now."

That is NOT a good reason to change a law. Possibly accurate, but hardly a good reason.

Then again, how do you know what the electorate wanted? They aren't being allowed to vote.

And I don't care who fills the seat. It seems to me that the changed law was politically expedient, and changing it again is politically expedient. And wrong.

But I guess all our positions are very clear. Let's put on boxing gloves.

Bush's idea of health care reform was to give more of your tax dollars to insurance companies. Which they did.

#52 | Posted by Corky at 2009-09-23 11:07 AM

Another Bush deflection of Kennedy straight out of your ass? Maybe you should read up on your own party leaders.

'Bipartisan Cooperation on Health Care Is Dead on Arrival'

Worst of all was the five-page memo distributed by Sen. Edward Kennedy to Democratic colleagues that ought to embarrass a man who considers himself the Senate's leading health-care expert -- a compendium of half-truths, unsupported assumptions and outright lies. Kennedy reverted to the hackneyed rhetoric of class warfare, asserting that the president's proposals will do nothing for working families, give new tax breaks to the rich, increase the number of uninsured and encourage everyone to buy less insurance coverage than they should have.

In fact, all of these are almost precisely the opposite of the truth.

The president's health plan would, in fact, put a cap on a $200 billion-a-year tax break that now goes disproportionately to those with the most generous and costly employer-provided health insurance plans. It would redirect a small portion of that break to those who have less generous coverage or those who have to buy their own insurance because their employer does not offer it. For a few million of the roughly 47 million Americans with no insurance, it may also make the difference between being able to afford basic insurance or not.

The fact that some of those who have these rich policies happen to be members of auto or postal unions doesn't change that the president's proposal would make the tax code more progressive, not less. They are the aristocrats of the working class who, like lawyers, investment bankers and journalists, earn more in tax-free benefits each year than uninsured janitors earn in taxable wages. And whatever modest tax increase they might face from the cap on tax-free health benefits, it is certainly less than the tax cuts they got from Bush that Democrats are so eager to rescind.

Almost every health economist agrees that the tax subsidy for employer-paid health insurance is not only unfair but that it also encourages people to buy too much insurance, consume too much health care and pay too much for both. Bush deserves praise for having the political courage to confront the issue.

Would any real solution also require finding billions of dollars more to subsidize the purchase of health insurance by low-income workers and getting states to reform dysfunctional markets for individual and small group insurance? No doubt about it.

But anyone seriously interested in health reform would welcome the president's proposal as a basis for negotiations, raising public expectations and increasing pressure on the president to embrace more comprehensive reform. Unfortunately, that is not the approach of Messrs. Stark, Rangel, Reid and Kennedy, who apparently prefer demonizing the president and grandstanding on the issue until the next election.

Haven't we had enough of this?
www.washingtonpost.com

#54 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2009-09-23 11:09 AM | Reply | Flag: Did indeed miss the whole premise of the special election

The Bushies passed the Medicare Advantage program, which is a taxpayer rip-off of subsidies to insurance companies.

You people are hilarious. Ted Kennedy was a Saint in MA, and polls there show that the electorate want this special appointment.

Now, if you could only figure out that this is a temp appointment with someone who won't be running, then maybe you can ease back on the faux outrage before your ass becomes chapped from all the talking it's done.

"this is a temp appointment with someone who won't be running"

Does that change the fact that laws will be changed for the sake of expediently maintaining current levels of political power?

No?

Oh. Good comment then.

The change in law reflects the will of the people.

Not that that ever factored into rightwing "thinking".

The will of the people should not trump the rule of law. Wouldn't that be the very "tyranny of the majority" the Founders warned us about?

"The change in law reflects the will of the people."

According to a poll. How about polling every voter - in an election?

-The will of the people should not trump the rule of law.

It didn't. MA State law was followed. And the people of MA are very happy about it.

They didn't follow the law, they changed it.

The state Senate approved the measure by a 24-to-16 vote, just five days after the House had voted 95 to 58 to change Massachusetts election law and allow the appointment of an interim US senator.

Now, if you could only figure out that this is a temp appointment with someone who won't be running, then maybe you can ease back on the faux outrage before your ass becomes chapped from all the talking it's done.

Do you have an inside source with the Gov. of Mass.? Have you been in contact with him all morning?

If not, then how can you even assume the person to be appointed won't run?

Not that it matters. If they change the law, the person who is appointed should be allowed to run for election to the spot like any other person.

Finally, does any of that change the fact that the reason the law is being changed (again, to appease a Kennedy) is to maintain the status quo and that it reflects poorly upon the senate of the state of Mass...at least for those of us without our heads buried in the sand?

The Bushies passed the Medicare Advantage program, which is a taxpayer rip-off of subsidies to insurance companies.

Max Baucus was the ranking member back in 2003 and he was the reason it was a bi-partisan passed legislation.

BTW.. Why no comeback on the dems reaction to Bush's reform proposal? I wonder why that is? danni? Corky?

They followed MA state law when they changed the election law back to what it had been before, which is what the majority of citizens in MA wanted.

-If not, then how can you even assume the person to be appointed won't run?

I don' assume that, that is a condition spelled out by the Gov weeks ago.

You people are hilarious. Ted Kennedy was a Saint in MA...

He was also proven to be a hypocrite and liar. What is your point? The people of Mass are fucking lazy, ignorant, idiots? I will give you that.

-I wonder why that is

Why people don't respond to your deflection from the thread topic?

-The people of Mass are fucking lazy, ignorant, idiots?

Why the hysterically shrill ones never win.

I don' assume that, that is a condition spelled out by the Gov weeks ago.

Maybe the State Legislators will propose a new law to change that. Seeing as they can do it on a whim anytime it suits them. Why not have them appoint the next U S Senator? It is obvious they couldn't care less about their own State laws in place. Just change them.

Did you miss the part about this being a temporary position filled by someone who won't run for the office?

#51 | Posted by Corky at 2009

no amount of bloviating will change the simple fact. dems care more about thier party than the people of mass.

if the health care issue wasnt there, your point might make sense but anyone who is breathing can see through this bullshit.

why do MASS dems hate honesty and justice so much??? hee hee

-I wonder why that is

Why people don't respond to your deflection from the thread topic?

#72 | Posted by Corky at 2009-09-23 11:56 AM

I believe it was in response to another posters retort. It is laughable to see you complain about deflections though.

BTW... I have posted that many times and asked you and danni to respond. In the right thread or forum no less. But so far neither you two or the other libs have any comment. It seems that article shuts you all up, much like placing a pacifier in a crying babies mouth.

"It is obvious they couldn't care less about their own State laws in place. Just change them."

If the people of Mass. are unhappy about what they do then they can be replaced. Next whiner please...

#76 Another rightwing hack opinion columnist that rants about the evil Dems. What's supposed to be so unique about that?

-dems care more about their party than the people of mass.

The people of MA are mostly Dems who wanted this change. BTW, you'd like it there. Lots of free libraries.

If the people of Mass. are unhappy about what they do then they can be replaced. Next whiner please...

When would that be Einstein? Is there an election you know about before 2010? How can the people change these legislators other than by an election? Should be easy for you danni.

If the people of Mass. are unhappy about what they do then they can be replaced. Next whiner please...

#77 | Posted by danni at 2009-09-23 12:06 PM |

That was not your opinion when Texas was redistricting. If this were a GOP governor filling in a GOP seat with a filibuster in the balance, you can bet your dollar that the "will of the people" wouldn't matter for shit.

The people of MA are mostly Dems who wanted this change....

So fuck the repubs and indys? You seem to ignore why they had to change anything. Because dems were too fucking gutless and afraid a republican may be appointed by a republican Governor. Of course it was all for nothing because Kerry didn't need to give up his Senate seat. Maybe those idiots in Boston should have waited for the outcome before making up their own selfish laws. Not that it matters to the ignorant libs like danni and corky.

There is going to be a special election for Kennedy's seat, but in the meantime, MA, a state which has "universal" health care, wants full representation of their will in the US Senate, and deserve to have it since that is quite legal under state law.

They also know that with 60 seats, the Dems have a better chance at passing reform that the majority of people of MA believe in.

#80 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-09-23 12:10 PM |

Are you saying danni is fickle? Or a simple hypocrite?

I am not calling anyone anything. I think everyone is so caught up in the rhetoric of today that they forgot their positions of yesterday and that includes the right who defended the redistricting of Texas while condemning this.

-that includes the right who defended the redistricting of Texas while condemning this.

-Considering how GOPhers gerrymandered Congressional districts the last 8 years, this is child's play.

#39 | Posted by Corky

Great minds?

Great minds?

#85 | Posted by Corky at 2009-09-23 12:24 PM

We do seem to be on the opposite side of the same coin quite a bit as of late.

#85...

You do know Kanrei was using you as the example when you condone one and condemn the other. You do see that right? Great minds...LMAO! Don't insult kanrei by thinking you are on the same page as him on this subject.

"Because dems were too fucking gutless and afraid a republican may be appointed by a republican Governor."

Because they didn't want Rep. Mitt Romney appointing someone who would vote exactly opposite of what the majority of the people in the state wanted. If anything, this action shows that a Legislature can be a pretty effective tool of the people to produce the outcome they desire. Basicly those so critical of this are arguing that Massachussetts is acting too democratic, that the will of the people is being followed too closely.

You do know Kanrei was using you as the example when you condone one and condemn the other.

Crispee,
You are only exempt because I can't remember your position back then, but I am not calling out Corky. Corky, if I remember correctly with Texas, hated it, but wanted Texas to fix it. He is consistent as to "the will of the people."

Corky and Danni are not DNC in my mind, but rather extreme lefties who view the DNC as a means to their goals. Corky especially is not a partisan so much as an idealist.

Because they didn't want Rep. Mitt Romney appointing someone who would vote exactly opposite of what the majority of the people in the state wanted.
#88 | Posted by danni at 2009-09-23 12:33 PM

You mean the same majority of people who elected him Governor? Do you even bother to think before you post tripe like this?

"He is consistent as to "the will of the people."

The will of the people would be best measured by an election, not a fucking poll. That isn't consistency with regard to anything other than Dorky's political preference.

#92 is Joe's opinion of Corky filtered through an irrational hatred and fear.

An election is a poll by definition.

-extreme lefties

Personally, I can think of very few if any "extreme Lefties" on this site.

I am left of center, as is Danni, but if you think that we are extreme Lefties, than you have another think coming.

"An election is a poll by definition."

Irrelevant as to what is a better measure of the will of the people - some phantom polls cited by Dorky showing that Massholes want this law changed, or an actual election.

Crispee,
You are only exempt because I can't remember your position back then, but I am not calling out Corky. Corky, if I remember correctly with Texas, hated it, but wanted Texas to fix it. He is consistent as to "the will of the people."

Corky brought up Texas as a rebuttal in defense of the Mass. law changed. Not sure how one can be against one and wants it fixed if she is for the other.

BTW... I don't think I commented on the Texas incident. But it would be fair to call me a bit hypocritical, because I was probably OK with it.

Crispee is just whining because he thinks this helps Dem's in the US Senate, and Joe is just whiny because, well, he's Joe.

#95 | Posted by JOE at 2009-09-23 12:43 PM | Reply | Flag: Never been to MA

#98 | Posted by Corky at 2009-09-23 12:45 PM | Reply | Flag: Wrong

You could always answer a simple question - what is more accurate as to the will of the people? The polls you cite or an election?

Crispee is just whining because he thinks this helps Dem's in the US Senate, and Joe is just whiny because, well, he's Joe.

#97 | Posted by Corky at 2009-09-23 12:44 PM

I see you ignored #89. Which is it? Were you against the Texas re-districitng like kanrei says?

Since there won't be an election until next year, a representative government allows for the people's representatives to vote for them.

But then, perhaps they didn't teach representative government at the Carrot Top School of Law.

Crispee is just whining because he thinks this helps Dem's in the US Senate...

There's the "No Shit Sherlock Award of the Day"

-Were you against the Texas re-districitng like kanrei says

I'm the one brought up Repub gerrymandering, not only in Texas, but elsewhere. Compared to that, this is child's play.

And of course I was against it, but that doesn't mean it was against the law.

"Since there won't be an election until next year, a representative government allows for the people's representatives to vote for them."

Not in MA, unless they change the law.

Of course, that doesn't answer the question of whether a poll or an election is a more accurate measure of the will of the people.

Since there won't be an election until next year, a representative government allows for the people's representatives to vote for them.

But then, perhaps they didn't teach representative government at the Carrot Top School of Law.

#101 | Posted by Corky at 2009-09-23 12:55 PM

Which is why the Legislators took away the Governor's job of appointing a representative, only to give it back to him five years later? More Carrot Top education?

You ignorant fucking assholes don't seem to realize that the 'will of the MA people' was explicitly stated when the reelected Ted Kennedy. They want HIS type of representation. If he had not died, he would be voting FOR health reform and many other things that REAL PEOPLE will benefit from. Now that he has died, the pants pissing cowards in the Republican party want to deprive yet another state from having two senators for as long as possible.

What you miserable morons fail to realize is that your party is DEAD. Shut the fuck up, already. Don't wait for the Death Panels to come for you, go eat some rat poison or something!!!!

"If he had not died, he would be voting FOR health reform"

So what? He did die. If Massholes want someone exactly like Ted Kennedy, then they can elect someone exactly like him.

They can also have their Gov appoint someone, which they did.

You just like to whine about it.

At least Crispee Critter admits he is whining about the 60 votes in the US Sen.

Joe is just a natural born general purpose whiner.

Caring when someone wants to change election laws to suit their political agenda is not "whining." But when you have no defense, I suppose that'll have to do.

If he had not died, he would be voting FOR health reform and many other things that REAL PEOPLE will benefit from.

How do you know this? He was against the last reform and did everything he could do kill it. Why should anyone believe he would have voted for this proposal?

How do you know this? He was against the last reform and did everything he could do kill it. Why should anyone believe he would have voted for this proposal?

I couldn't be because "Axe's idiot girlfriend" was in the WH now?

At least Crispee Critter admits he is whining about the 60 votes in the US Sen.

Why because I agree with your intelligent 8th grade post saying this will help the dems?

That is almost as good as your retort last week, saying "most racists hate Obama." lol

-Caring when someone wants to change election laws

Ah, I get it. Joe whines because he cares.....hahahahaha!

The people of MA can do whatever they like with their laws, and that's just what their Reps did, thank you ever so much for your deeply felt caring and concern.

Wot d'ya do when a Senator dies in office?

You either hold an immediate mid term election to replace them or you allow an interim Senator to act as caretaker until the next elections occur.

Either are viable options in a democracy.

The fact that the Mass pols opted fer the latter route now is somehow a BFD to the right?

Qu'elle surprise.

WTF isn't these days?

Politically speaking they'd be fools not to make this move now.

Only real question is will Patrick pick a caretaker or someone who will be campaigning from now till the next election to preserve the seat?

Who they floating at present?

FTA: Paul G. Kirk Jr

71 years old?

K. Now that's NOT a caretaker.

That's more like a cryptkeeper.

Be Well.

-Why because I agree

I take you at your word.

-Crispee is just whining because he thinks this helps Dem's in the US Senate...

There's the "No Shit Sherlock Award of the Day"

#102 | Posted by crispee_oc

They can also have their Gov appoint someone, which they did.
#108 | Posted by Corky at 2009-09-23 01:10 PM |

Link? I thought they changed the law back to where the Gov. CAN appoint someone.

Which Gov and who did he pick?

An election is a poll, but a poll isn't always an election. : )

To those suggesting that polls show this is what the people of Mass want, I have to ask: Do you accept the polls that show Obama's favorable rating falling rapidly...? If not, I have to call you out.

For me, any decision-makers changing the law midstream is suspect. What if the Mass legislature were majority Republican and Kennedy had still been elected and had still died...? Do you think the law would have been changed? What if the gov were able to make an appt but the Republican majority moved in to make it so he couldn't? Would that be okay?

Come on. Everybody 'fess up: If your guys do it, it's okay; if their guys do it, it's not. : ) Danni admitted as much. (And Danni, I agree with your worldview, but I just can't see eye to eye on this one.)

#115...

Zing... Right over your pointy head? OF COURSE IT HELPS DEMS IN THE US SENATE!!!! Hence the "No Shit Sherlock Award!"

#117 | Posted by pragmatist at 2009-09-23 01:26 PM

I guess you would have to change your handle to partisan if you wanted to see eye to eye with said poster. Is Pragmatist the opposite of partisan?

I am left of center, as is Danni, but if you think that we are extreme Lefties, than you have another think coming.


Did not mean offense. I am left of center and you are way left of me.

"I guess you would have to change your handle to partisan if you wanted to see eye to eye with said poster. Is Pragmatist the opposite of partisan?"

Huh?

Was that a joke?

(I know you're smart enough to know what partisan means.)

They gonna replace him with another corrupt bastard?

#121 | Posted by 3rdpartynow

Excellent question.
I assume you meant it rhetorically and that being said, (judging by their track record) believe we all know the answer.

#122...

You said you didn't see eye to eye with danni. I retorted that you would have to change your handle to "partisan" to see eye to eye with said poster. Yes that is a joke Prag. Obviously not a good one if you didn't get it.

I was also joking when I asked if Pragmatist is the opposite of partisan. You know "practical" compared to "fervent"?

Sorry, Crispee. I wasn't firing on all cylinders. : ) I usually am quicker on the uptake. (sigh)

Sorry, Crispee. I wasn't firing on all cylinders. : ) I usually am quicker on the uptake. (sigh)

It's all good prag. It was meant as a bit of a compliment.

Thanks. It seems that at least two posters get what I'm up to. But you know, I think I confuse some people 'cause I'm not right all the time.

PAUL KIRK Selected For Kennedy Senate Seat?

Fox News' Major Garrett reports that Paul Kirk has been chosen to fill the Massachusetts Senate seat held previously by Ted Kennedy.

The Washington Post's Chris Cillizza said on MSNBC Wednesday afternoon that an announcement could come later in the day.

Kirk was chairman of the Democratic National Committee from 1985 to 1989 and a longtime aide to the late Sen. Kennedy. He currently co-chairs the Commission on Presidential Debates, is the chairman of the board of directors of the John F. Kennedy Library Foundation, and is a member of the board of directors of the Edward M. Kennedy Institute for the United States Senate.

A family confidant said Wednesday both Edward Kennedy Jr. and Rep. Patrick Kennedy, D-R.I., had endorsed Kirk in separate phone calls.

A top aide to Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick confirmed the contacts but added, "No decision has been made yet." A spokeswoman in Patrick Kennedy's congressional office declined to comment.

www.huffingtonpost.com

#127...

Has anything come out backing up your claim, this is temporary and Kirk will not run for the seat in 2010?

Crispy's usual wild, ranting rhetoric includes "He (Ted Kennedy) was also proven to be a hypocrite and liar. What is your point? The people of Mass are fucking lazy, ignorant, idiots? I will give you that."

After maligning a genuine American hero and all the citizens of the nation's most civilized state, Crispy uses the same unfounded, outrageous bullshit language about his president on another thread, Maybe it's time to adopt some DR put-up-or-shut-up policies. herm

After maligning a genuine American hero and all the citizens of the nation's most civilized state,

Yeah, you're objective. Grace us with more "objective" opinions dipshit

"Yeah, you're objective. Grace us with more "objective" opinions dipshit"

Where did he claim to be "objective"? Nobody around here is "objective" other than Goatman.

Nobody around here is "objective" other than Goatman.

most claim to be "right" and "correct" and "fact based". they are full of shit.

LOL

Nobody around here is "objective" other than Goatman.

Our resident "Retort Independent" (TM)

Be Well.

Hypocrat party alive and well in DC.

#1 | Posted by American1st at 2009-09-23 07:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

Shit-heap,

This is the Massachusetts Senate.....just like it says in the HEADLINE!!

Nothing to do with D.C.

Crispy's usual wild, ranting rhetoric includes "He (Ted Kennedy) was also proven to be a hypocrite and liar. What is your point? The people of Mass are fucking lazy, ignorant, idiots? I will give you that."

After maligning a genuine American hero and all the citizens of the nation's most civilized state, Crispy uses the same unfounded, outrageous bullshit language about his president on another thread, Maybe it's time to adopt some DR put-up-or-shut-up policies. herm

#129 | Posted by herm at 2009-09-23 06:37 PM

I beleieve I put up a post showing Kennedy to be a liar and a hypocrite. Did you bother to read it? Or did you actually read it and decide you needed to open your yap and defend Kennedy? Which is it Herm? If it is the former, read post# 59, then see if you have the guts to respond.

As for your other sniveling accusation... Would you like the context and exact words of the POTUS and the Sec. of State of that retort as well? Or are you going to remain obtuse and not even know why I called the Pres out?

Bullshit. It's politics, Larry. You would be OK with Republicans doing the same thing? Yeah, right....

#6 | Posted by American1st at 2009-09-23 07:36 AM | Reply | Flag:

Shit-heap,

Don't sit there and pretend that the republicans don't so the same type of thing. We know you're none too bright, but doing so just makes you seem even more stupid.

That would be all well and good, except that the way Mass is changing their laws to suit the situation has an affect on the entire country.

#11 | Posted by Axiom at 2009-09-23 08:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

.....and Tom Delay's infamous Gerrymandering didn't?

Don't sit there and pretend that the republicans don't so the same type of thing. We know you're none too bright, but doing so just makes you seem even more stupid.

Care to link anything like this situation in Mass? Where the Legislation changed their laws and removed the Governor from appointing a U S Senator because of his party? Then changing the law back because of the Governor's party?

You're full of shit. I never cared what Mass did in 2004. Nor in 2005 nor 2006 as far as replacing people etc etc etc. Why should I care about personnell issues in a State that I do not reside in?/ Makes no sense whatsoever. That is the trouble with many folks. They want to involve themselves in someone elses backyard and they neglect their own because they are busy bodies. But nice try at an attempted hard on for Me.

#23 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2009-09-23 09:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

You're right.

This is the same type of faux outrage that brought us months of Rod Blagoyevich (sp?) coverage. I know of plenty of Governors who have been in similar situations but the right kept praying that this would somehow lead back to Obama and even after it didn't, it was the lead story of FAUX News for weeks after.

Care to link anything like this situation in Mass? Where the Legislation changed their laws and removed the Governor from appointing a U S Senator because of his party? Then changing the law back because of the Governor's party?

#138 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2009-09-23 06:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

You want a link to where the republicans have changed their stance of a law when it would benefit them? Are you really denying this?

Are you really asking for proof of this? Go do your own homework.

BTW, you can claim you 'win' or whatever it is you want to claim because I didn't do your homework for you. Matters not to me.

#23...

I guess you are cluless that the US Senators serve the entire country. You know when they create laws and vote on legislation? Or do you think those only apply to the state they represent?

Like I said earlier in this thread, would you all be OK if another State changed their laws so someone like David Duke could be seated?

I guess you are cluless that the US Senators serve the entire country.

I gotta disagree with this. They are there to speak for their state and present their state's opinion on national matters. They are not even beholden to the people of the state, but to the state as a whole. The House is there to speak for the people of a state.

It is just how I see how it works.

#140 | Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2009-09-23 07:02 PM | Reply

I beleive I said a situation like Mass. Don't blame me you were talking out of your ass and can't come up with anything to back it up.

I can come up with another State that changed their law to make sure another dem was in the Senate. Ask Frank Laudenberg from New Jersey how he got on the ballot.

#142...

The laws and legislation they write and vote on are national not local.

I know of plenty of Governors who have been in similar situations but the right kept praying that this would somehow lead back to Obama and even after it didn't, it was the lead story of FAUX News for weeks after.

#139 | Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2009-09-23 06:59 PM

Care to back that up with a name or link? Seeing as you know plenty of Governors...

Oohrah,

Please say the pledge of allegiance.

Crispee,
The laws they write are national, but they only speak for and are accountable to their constituents.

Crispee,
The laws they write are national, but they only speak for and are accountable to their constituents.
#148 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-09-23 07:13 PM |

I never refuted the acountability to their voters, I took exception when someone says it has no bearing on them in another State. From the Patriot Act to funding wars, they all have national implications.

My point is that this is only the business of Mass and no one else. We are going to be affected by it, but we have no more say than we would want them to have in our state.

"Oohrah,

Please say the pledge of allegiance."

Posted by moneywar at 2009-09-23 07:13 PM

As originally written.
By a Baptist preacher.

Oorah,
Wanted to give a shout out to your son and wish him godspeed and a safe return. Not to mention a thanks to you and him.

#150...

I agree.

#155...

Never thought boring could be good news. Thanks for the update.

"They do. I also think, and perhaps you'd agree, that that doesn't mean a virtually annual rewriting of the rules to do the bidding of the Kennedy clan."

I think that Republicans should look back to 2000 and the SC decision to appoint Dubya President of the United STates. AFter that, sorry folks, you don't have a leg to stand on in arguments like this. Blatant use of the legal process for political gain was glorified by Republicans then, puhleeeeeez, do not even try to now be holier than thou. It is really quite embarrassing.

"From the Patriot Act to funding wars, they all have national implications."

As does the election or appointment of any Senator, Congressman or Supreme Court Justice.

#157...

Isn't it ironic you point to a Court case, where they ruled against their own State law?

You know if a Liberal was to tell a Red Stater that this is so wrong and uncouthed they would be telling that Liberal STFU. It's unbelievable.

Larry

You know if a Liberal was to tell a Red Stater that this is so wrong and uncouthed...

That's the point Larry. It is wrong and uncouthly, how you can't see this is beyond the grasp of reality.

That's the point Larry. It is wrong and uncouthly, how you can't see this is beyond the grasp of reality.

Posted by crispee_oc at 2009-09-23 08:52 PM | Reply

It's not wrong. It's what the State of Mass wants.

Larry

It's not wrong. It's what the State of Mass wants.

So it was OK five years ago, but now it is obsolete? Will it be OK to change it back if another repub is elected Governor and Kerry's seat opens up?

You can keep saying it is what the State wants, the reality is, it is what the DNC wants.

It's not wrong. It's what the State of Mass wants.

If Kansas doesn't want to recognize gay marriage then fine with you??????

It is what they want?

You can keep saying it is what the State wants, the reality is, it is what the DNC wants.

Posted by crispee_oc at 2009-09-23 09:02 PM | Reply

Let Me try and make it clearer for You Crispee. If I went to California and stood in front of Your abode and dictated to You how to run Your home I am sure You would knock Me out post haste. I am a Kansan not a Massachutesian. Sorry

Larry

Laterz

I don't get how anyone here can claim to know what the state of Massachusetts, if that means its people, wants. No one has given them a true chance to say. That would be called an election, wouldn't it? (I mean, if we assume elections mean anything.) Yes, yes, the governor was elected by the people, etc., but really, you can claim this is what the legislature (senate?) wants, but not that it's what the people want.

The same goes for the DNC claim. Of course, the party wants to keep their majority, but saying it's what they want implies that they forced it. Which maybe they did and maybe they didn't. No one truly knows except for those involved. (No, I'm not so naive as to think that the DNC didn't stick its nose in, or some other voice of the party didn't.)

This is a power play by the Dems of MA.

The repubs would do the same thing.

What the Dems should have done was vote to change the law BACK after Kerry lost the election and Patrick was elected governor.

THAT would have solved the whole thing with Kennedy's death ahead of time.

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Whoever gets appointed apparently has to promise not to run in January 2010.

They make these deals all the time--

Like Biden's seat is held by some guy who is keeping it warm for Biden Jr. to run for when he gets back from Iraq. He promised not to run too.

Don't you love political dynasties? We need to repeal the 17th Amendment so that these Senators are responsible to the State they represent rather than the people who line their pockets for elections.

But then, I am an Idealist ;)

"The repubs would do the same thing."

Because none of them have any integrity nor do they really care what the voters want.

#171

Oh come on Sully, that's quite the blanket statement there and one that is obviously not true....none of them have integrity???

Pffft

I know plenty of republicans who possess unmeasurable integrity.

To make the claim you have made, would only put in question your own integrity, don't you think?

And Lisa, it's the kind of blanket statement made here _all the time_ and by folks on _both sides of the aisle_. Everyone is X is, quite simply, a stupid thing to say.

Yes, says this teacher, there are such things as stupid questions--and stupid statements.

I have equal trouble with the statement that all politicians are corrupt--and statements like it.

Mornin' Prag:

Yes, I agree that it is used by those on both sides of the political fence. And most times I just shake my head laughing and don't respond when certain people say it because nothing you say will get them to think anyway.

But Sully is an intelligent person and I was suprised to see him say that.

Can't say THAT about some people here!!! :)

"Yes, yes, the governor was elected by the people, etc., but really, you can claim this is what the legislature (senate?) wants, but not that it's what the people want."

That's sort of why we hold elections periodically, so we don't have to check with the people on a daily basis. The people of Massachussetts, in their most recent election voted in a Democratic majority so it can be assumed that they expected that majority to carry out a Democratic agenda at least until they were up for reelection.

"That's sort of why we hold elections periodically, so we don't have to check with the people on a daily basis. The people of Massachussetts, in their most recent election voted in a Democratic majority so it can be assumed that they expected that majority to carry out a Democratic agenda at least until they were up for reelection."

That, or they liked those particular people. Hard to know, isn't it? Maybe they voted for a democratic agenda, not a Democratic agenda. I granted your point from the outset. I just think it's wrong. And you admitted as much, or something close, with your first post: something like "I may be a hypocrite, but I want health care reform."

If I were a resident of Massachusetts, even though I want health reform and even though I'm fairly sure I would have voted for Teddy if I were there, I would be pissed about this. Political expediency has ruled the day. Give the people a chance to vote. Follow the law as established. If he weren't dead and this vote weren't looming, it would be a different story.

Now, if you could only figure out that this is a temp appointment with someone who won't be running, then maybe you can ease back on the faux outrage before your ass becomes chapped from all the talking it's done.

#61 | Posted by Corky at 2009-09-23 11:28

more excuses and apologies for party over country dems who are only interested in getting health care reform through before anyone has a chance to know whats in it.

If the people of Mass. are unhappy about what they do then they can be replaced. Next whiner please...

#77 | Posted by danni at 2009-09-23 12:06 PM | Reply | F

california and the gay marriage vote

lots of other states and anti abortion votes

just wanted to name two issues that danni will be singing a completely different tune

"...that danni will be singing a completely different tune"

At least she can carry a tune in pitch.

By the looks of your endless ear piercing medlies here it's obvious you are tone deaf!!! ;)

The people of Massachussetts elected a Kennedy to that senate seat since 1953. That's over fifty years--half a century for those mathematically challenged. I doubt anyone who voted for Kennedy would want a republican in that seat. The people of Mass. deserve to be fully represented until the special election in January.

Again, it is a States Rights issue. If the people of Mass. are pissed about being represented by a dem after over fifty years of a Kennedy in that seat, they will let them know in the special election.

If the people of Mass. are pissed about being represented by a dem ...

Too bad they were robbed of that choice, huh, bOoB? I say if they want another dem, keep the laws intact and let them elect one. What's wrong with that? Here in America that's what we do. I realize in bOoBistan (pop 2) appointing leaders is the prefered method of governing.

Maybe you can petition the state of Massachusettes to secede from my great country and join you and jackass in bOoBistan (pop 2).

california and the gay marriage vote

lots of other states and anti abortion votes

just wanted to name two issues that danni will be singing a completely different tune

#178 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-09-24 11:19 AM | Reply | Flag

I seriously doubt you have the intelligence to speak for danni. I don't recall anyone complaining about the voting process in California or anyplace else, except maybe Florida---I recall people saying the voters were wrong on the issues at hand. Libs are always saddened when rights are denied, or taken away from minorities by conservatives.

"...that danni will be singing a completely different tune"

At least she can carry a tune in pitch.

By the looks of your endless ear piercing medlies here it's obvious you are tone deaf!!! ;)

#179 | Posted by Lisa at 2009-09-24

WHAT????

WHAT??

speak up

and you apparently dont have the capacity to understand a simple pointing out of rank hypocricy on an issue.
she refered to the people of MASS supporting this rank example of goddamn democrats doing whatever they need to help an issue they are losing and being able to look themselves in the mirror after changing the law they made when a republican was there when it suited them....

geesh..I thought you were sharper than that...

Again, it is a States Rights issue. If the people of Mass. are pissed about being represented by a dem after over fifty years of a Kennedy in that seat, they will let them know in the special election.

#180 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 200

and in the mean time they will select someone who would not be able to be there if a republican were in the govs office..
there isnt a better example of the hypocritial left and thier thirst for power and control regardless of what is the RIGHT thing to do.

and remember this later when republicans are in charge because if they dont do the same or worse they are all sorry mofos'

BL2:

I said TONE deaf, not deaf.

You recall tone deaf....unable to hear the proper tone and pitch of a note or notes where the vocalist or instrumentalist is incapable of producing pleasing music to ones ears....just like you are incapable of critiquing news without partisanship and fail at producing a post with the same pleasing qualities.

It's like that.

"You recall tone deaf....unable to hear the proper tone and pitch of a note or notes where the vocalist or instrumentalist is incapable of producing pleasing music to ones ears....just like you are incapable of critiquing news without partisanship and fail at producing a post with the same pleasing qualities."

Oh, shit, Lisa. You just took off the kid gloves!

Go see the other thread (nooner, yesterday) where Afk is trying to convince me about the liberal media. And that he doesn't curse out those who disagree unless said disagreer curses him out first. It is to laugh.

and in the mean time they will select someone who would not be able to be there if a republican were in the govs office..

They didn't want a republican in office--they wanted a dem in office, and they wanted a dem in that senate seat---they should have the representation they asked for, and not be denied representation simply because the man they chose to represent them died.

there isnt a better example of the hypocritial left and thier thirst for power and control regardless of what is the RIGHT thing to do.

There isn't a better representation of the hypocritical right who constantly bleat about States Rights until a State exercizes those rights against against the conservative agenda. The RIGHT thing to do is give the citizens the representation they asked for--they elected an ultra liberal---they elected an ultra liberal for over 50 years--that's what they should get. I would feel the same way if the situation were reversed. The people should have the representation they voted for--they should not leave the seat vacant until a special election can be put together.

and remember this later when republicans are in charge because if they dont do the same or worse they are all sorry mofos'

If the republicans do the same thing--I will support it. If the republicans replace a republican the people voted for with another republican, I would support it. If the republicans were to replace a dem with a republican I would not support it. The people didn't elect a republican. The people should have the representation they voted for--simple as that.

Would you support a republican governor replacing an elected senate dem who dies, with a republican? Simple question---your answer?

#185 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-09-24 12:07 PM | Reply | Flag

LOL Prag!

In all honesty, I think Nanc is the only member here on either side who takes BL2 seriously. Even those on the right find his rantings laughable.

I just comment on some of his endless nonsense to pick on him!! Lol

His nose is so far up the butts of right winged media his ears are up there too....so talking to him truly falls on deaf ears.

Paul Kirk seems like a decent man and will offer the same type of representation the voters asked for in the elections of the last several decades.

Paul Kirk seems like a decent man and will offer the same type of representation the voters asked for in the elections of the last several decades.

#190 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-09-24 01:31 PM | Reply | Flag:Another idiot who thinks all is needed is a "D" to be "decent"

PS, bOoB, I know that letting the dead vote is a democratic thing, but most of the voters of the last several decades are dead. The right thing to do is to let the living choose.

But I realize things are different in bOoBistan (pop 2), but please don't try to pollute the American way of life.

This is one of the many things that disgusts me about politics in America. If the rule is in your way just vote it out of your way and into your favor. I hate it from both sides and it should be looked upon as unethical.

And that he doesn't curse out those who disagree unless said disagreer curses him out first. It is to laugh.

#187 | Posted by pragmatist at 2009-09-24 12:33 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
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laugh if you will but its the truth..

Would you support a republican governor replacing an elected senate dem who dies, with a republican? Simple question---your answer?

#185 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-09-24 12:07 PM | Reply | Flag

#188 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009

if the texas leg were to CHANGE a law because it would suit a R to appoint someone it would NOT be okay with me. not if the law was changed one time and then back again when the other party is in control

one more time
there is no amount of bloviating or excusing for this rank example of party over country/state...

they have every right to do it UNLESS its a conservative issue and then as I said..the same so called 'states rights people' here will sing a completely opposite tune when that comes up
BOOK IT

His nose is so far up the butts of right winged media his ears are up there too....so talking to him truly falls on deaf ears.

#189 | Posted by Lisa at 2009

you dont have a clue little lady about what you are trying to talk about.

must be time to put that apron back on and cook or clean something.........

HEY bake me some brownies and send them to me...

AFTER you sign an affidavit that they are safe...lol

This is one of the many things that disgusts me about politics in America. If the rule is in your way just vote it out of your way and into your favor. I hate it from both sides and it should be looked upon as unethical.

#192 | Posted by everlong at 2009-09

THANK YOU....

they have every right to do it UNLESS its a conservative issue and then as I said..the same so called 'states rights people' here will sing a completely opposite tune when that comes up
BOOK IT

#194 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-09-24 02:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Not at all--you are simply delusional and full of hate for liberals. You reflect the typical republican hypocrisy---bleat about States rights until the State does something you don't like. The people deserve to be represented--something else you don't like if they are represented by a lib. Facts are--everything done in Mass. was LEGAL. Everything done in Mass. was done according to the LAW. The law you don't like since it allows the people of Mass. to be represented by the philosophy they VOTED for many times. Party over country--that's you. Bleat about States Rights until you don't like what the State does. Bleat about the LAW, until the law does something you don't like. Bleat about the people being represented because you don't like the representation.

"laugh if you will but its the truth.."

Dude, in this thread alone, you did it. Oh, never mind.

"#192 | Posted by everlong at 2009-09

THANK YOU...."

Afk, did you miss the part where he said "both sides"?

no I didnt miss it..
your delusion about me was just in play thats all..

bob....I do hate what dems are doing to this country and if that means I hate them then so be it.
the issues are larger than my feelings for the assholes either way

and remember prag...I said that I didnt attack peoplle HERE first..
hell there was sometime that I was even nice to bob although its been so long that I forgot what it was about....

maybe it was something like..well at least your bullshit was only 100 characters this time...

LOL on 100 characters. But "bullshit"--again, irony.

Afk, I'm not sure how many times I need to tell you that I'm not deluded about you. I give you credit for what you do engage in that's positive--watching more than one channel, etc. But on "both sides," I have NEVER heard you recognize that Dems ain't all bad; you always paint with a broad brush, man. If I'm wrong, feel free to prove it now. Go ahead, say something nice about a democrat or three right now, something positive about a dem politicians abilities, acumen, integrity, or sincerity. I dare you. (I know--a joke would be too easy right now. So try to be serious. : ) )

Oops! I got a few hundred characters in there. (But hey, I spelled all the words right, and used punctuation.) Now I should make a joke about your reading comprehension, but I know I'm a wordy motherfucker. I'm good with that. I admit my flaws, readily (except to Joe).

bob....I do hate what dems are doing to this country and if that means I hate them then so be it.
the issues are larger than my feelings for the assholes either way

#199 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-09-24 02:45 PM | Reply | Flag

As evidenced by your balking at dems who follow the LAWS of their State. As evidenced by your balking at dems who follow States Rights. As evidenced at your willingness to let PEOPLE go unrepresented.

Sounds like you would be happier in a country with no dems--yet you lack the courage of your convictions. There are millions upon millions who think like you do. Grow some balls and join them in their fight for freedom from the tyranny of libs who wish to see the people represented in congress.

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Sounds like you would be happier in a country with no dems

Sounds like you'd be happier in bOoBistan (pop 2)

FTFY

This thread is hilarious.

Here are the facts, and they are indisputable:

In the run-up to 2004, Kerry (a Mass. Senator) was running for president. The law on the book at the time was that if his seat was vacated, the governor (then Republican Mitt Romney) would appoint an interim successor to replace Kerry until the next senatorial elecions. Now, the DNC knew that if Kerry won (control your laughter) that seat would temporarily (at least) move from Democrat to Republican. So, the DNC lawmakers changed the rules in order to preserve their power. They instituted a new law that if a senate seat was vacated, it would remain vacant for a period of roughly 5-months until a special election could be held - since the state of Mass. votes overwhelmingly Democratic, this would effectively strip Romney's previously lawful ability to, at least temporarily, affect the balance of party power in the state AT a Federal level.

Fast-forward to the present...

Things have changed. Romney made a presidential run and the governorship now belongs to a Democrat. All of a sudden, the 'new' rule, written a little over 4 years ago is now 'bad law'. The DNC NOW changes the rules AGAIN to have the new DNC governor appoint an interim senator to bridge the gap between the present, and the 'special election' that is set to happen about 5 months after Kennedy's death.

This is power-politics at its ugliest.

Of course, the MSM can barely raise an eyebrow over this, but I digress.

I find it telling that the usual suspects are coming out of the woodwork to defend this shit strictly along party lines with all sorts of deflections and other nonsensical BS.

This is bullshit. It is brazen and it is blatant.

I give props to a couple of honest lefties who actually call this crap for what it is on this thread.

I give props to a couple of honest lefties who actually call this crap for what it is on this thread.

Posted by JeffJ

well, who knows JeffJ ~ Minnesota had Dem Wendall Anderson as Governor appoint himself Senator ~ so this manuvering can't compare very much to that...

meanwhile...care to ? on it?:>)

The 9/11 Commission Rejects own Report as Based on Government Lies

www.salem-news.com

Let's hope the newbie Senator finds that little scrap of paper that Teddy pulled out of the senate office desk drawer and read to himself every morning-- "Harass is one word, not two....."

:-)

#203 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-09-24 03:28 PM | Reply | Flag

The points still stand.

1. This is a States Rights issue.

2. Everything done was according to the laws of that State.

3. The people of Mass. deserve representation.

4. The people of Mass. have put a Kennedy in that seat for over 50 years.

5. The people of Mass. voted for liberal representation.

6. People like yourself would rather the people had no representation rather than have the representation they voted for.

7. It seems you would be happier in your own country---get the courage of your convictions, and join the millions upon millions who think just like you.

www.texasnationalist.com

www.sonofthesouth.net

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This is only until January. Kirk will not run for the seat at that time--that's a big reason why he was picked. The people can choose a conservative at that time to represent them if they haven't been satisfied with liberal representation for the last 56 years. The alternative was no representation for the State in that senate seat. I'm sure you would prefer they not have representation. Your alternative is in the links.

#204 | Posted by Bani at 2009-09-24 03:40 PM | Reply | Flag

Bani

You need to start a thread on that--or I will. It is a real bombshell. Rcade should have the biggest headline he can muster on it. Every American should do what they can to bring justice to those who died on 911---and since---because of the lies. There should be trials and prison sentences---perjury being the least of the crimes described.

"This is power-politics at its ugliest."

Ugly depends on your point of view. A person with no health insurance might say ugly is the need to take their kids to the doctor. I think in a country that lets people die because they have no health insurance it is a stretch to say this effort to give the Dems 60 votes could be called "ugly."
Pragmatic yes.
Clever, yes.
Rovian, yes.
Sneaky, yes.
but to the millions who have no health care I think it looks beautiful.
One chip in the wall.

Looks like, again, rules are made to be broken.

The hypocrisy is thick.

CRISPEE's arguing the not that a party will look to favor its folks, but he's instead arguing the blatant magnitude of the legislation. This is an arrogant power play... not unlike something you'd see in a dictatorship when the top dog finds certain laws inconvenient at the time.

You can argue that elections mean something and I'd agree with you. They do. I also think, and perhaps you'd agree, that that doesn't mean a virtually annual rewriting of the rules to do the bidding of the Kennedy clan.

#152 | Posted by OohRah at 2009-09-23 07:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Arrogant power play?

Now you want to complain about arrogant power plays ON A STATE LEVEL?

Were you awake these past 8 years?

I know of plenty of Governors who have been in similar situations but the right kept praying that this would somehow lead back to Obama and even after it didn't, it was the lead story of FAUX News for weeks after.

#139 | Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2009-09-23 06:59 PM

Care to back that up with a name or link? Seeing as you know plenty of Governors...

#146 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2009-09-23 07:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Crunchy,

You seriously need me to link to stories of Governors getting into trouble on some level or another and NOT receiving 6 months worth of coverage for it?

The points still stand.

1. This is a States Rights issue.

2. Everything done was according to the laws of that State.

3. The people of Mass. deserve representation.

4. The people of Mass. have put a Kennedy in that seat for over 50 years.

5. The people of Mass. voted for liberal representation.

6. People like yourself would rather the people had no representation rather than have the representation they voted for.

7. It seems you would be happier in your own country---get the courage of your convictions, and join the millions upon millions who think just like you.

www.texasnationalist.com

www.sonofthesouth.net

images.google.com

This is only until January. Kirk will not run for the seat at that time--that's a big reason why he was picked. The people can choose a conservative at that time to represent them if they haven't been satisfied with liberal representation for the last 56 years. The alternative was no representation for the State in that senate seat. I'm sure you would prefer they not have representation. Your alternative is in the links.

1. This is a States Rights issue.

Who is saying that it isn't?

2. Everything done was according to the laws of that State.

The DNC is rewriting the laws as they go in order to avoid any hiccup of their own power. If this were being done by the GOP you'd be going apeshit, and you know it.

3. The people of Mass. deserve representation.

If Kerry had won in 2004 (Stay with me now) the people of Mass. would have been short 1 senator's worth of representation for a period of 5 months due to a law written by the DNC.

4. The people of Mass. have put a Kennedy in that seat for over 50 years.

5. The people of Mass. voted for liberal representation.

Good for them.

6. People like yourself would rather the people had no representation rather than have the representation they voted for.

I could care less. My point was and remains that the law on the books created a situation where a 5-month vacuum would ensue if a senate seat was vacated. That law was written in order to prevent Mitt Romney from appointing a Republican had Kerry won in 2004 (I know it's an absurd thought).

The alternative was no representation for the State in that senate seat.

Which would have been due to the law that the DNC wrote.

You may be the biggest apologist for the DNC on this site and that's saying something given present company.

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